Regarding volume automation if you've done your automation and you say oh man it needs to come up or down use the mix tool plugin, that's what it's for you can raise or lower by db's.the entire track.
Dammmnnn!!! Joe, thank you so much for reminding me of this. I had briefly used a clip gain envelope or two waaayyy back when I was first getting to know the DAW a few years ago, but then a couple of months ago when I really needed to use that function again, I was trying to work that same kind of magic using just the basic splits and gains, and thinking "Damn, I thought there was a way to do automation-like level changes on the track's pre-mixer audio. How did I used to do that?", and I racked my brain and just could not remember and was going crazy. NOW I am in the process of doing arrangement/production for a singer/songwriter and you've saved the day here, because I REALLY need to use these clip gain envelopes in this project! Thank you, thank you, thank you, kind sir!!! Edit: Hey, is there a setting somewhere to have "Gain Envelope" enabled by default upon the creation and/or import of any and all new audio events in a song?
Clip gain is awesome!! Btw, I feel the same about writing volume automation, so wouldnt it be awesome to be able to "write" clip gain automation on a clip level with our faderports for example? 👍
Yep. On my recent project I went all in with clip gain envelopes. Before that, all I knew was to use the Cut tool to separate into discrete events and raise or lower volume of each tiny event. Clip gain envelopes enabled me to adjust an entire audio event in any large or small Increment I wanted. So simple.
Alternatively use a VCA channel to control the gain of your guitar bus and automate the VCA channel. Your Guitar bus fader is not then 'locked in' and can be tweaked as needed..
Automation doesn't have to lock you in. You can highlight the whole track and hover over the top of the event and use the trim tool to raise or lower the overall volume, while still keeping the automation moves relative to each other. 👍
Hi Joe from @presonus, would be cool if the alternate tool (with Cmd key) would also support upper and lower half of the object, so that we would have essentially 4 tools available instead of only 3.
Thanks, Joe! I've been using the clip gain envelope for quite awhile, but usually just for fades at the end of songs. This is definitely going to expand my use of it.
This is the best audio editing feature in Studio One. I use it all the time and you can zoom in and get very precise. One thing that would be nice in clip gain is to be able to use the paint tool to edit single wave shapes
Clip gain is awesome for a live bass track. You can level out inconsistent volume and big peaks, and not rely so much on compression. And while you're not supposed to mix with your eyes, you can kind of do that for a bass track. You can avoid clipping and free up a lot of headroom. Clip gain is fantastic just for that alone!
When you un-ticked the clip gain you seemed to imply that the changes were removed? My understanding and experience is that un-ticking the box after making changes retains those changes and just hides the display of the line on the clip. There are a number of other useful options on that menu. I like that you can change the colour and name of the clip for instance.
@@OmriBenDavid I hadn't noticed the bypass option - so I've again learned something new. Thanks. It is always good to watch Joe's videos because even if I think I know already what he is talking about I always learn something new too.
I'm in the same boat. I just watched the two latest videos from Joe and Gregor, thinking, "I already know how to do this. I do it all the time." But then I still learn something new. It keeps me humble.
It's even more useful when you have to do post-production mastering and you want to take out some inter sample Peaks . Also if you use the pencil tool with quantized set to off you can free draw the gain clip and it's extremely useful
Great, but how do I do this on multiple tracks at once? For example, I want to gain envelope that same guitar like that, but I have 4 tracks of that guitar (3 mic's and a line) is there a way to group gain envelope them at once?
I have a feature request for the next updates of studio one, to be able to create folders and Buses for the specific folder within the mixer, and to be able to add cross fades/fade at the end of an event and event gain/clip gain but to folder events, just like how its done on individual tracks instead of having to add automation the folder, also to be able to place the mouse on any corner edges and drag the folder event left and right as we choose to shorten the folder event and the tracks with it, to act just like how its done on a individual track. I usually have to do drag on the individual track within a folder to shorten the folder event.
... you know, this brings me to the idea again : it might be a good thing to implement these "toggle" functions (in other softwares the logical key is usually "TAB"), but it can be anything, besides, we do not want it to move "toggle" only in 1 direction, but in both directions, right? So every group of functions we have in Studio One should have the possibility to be "toggled", so once you are in a certain group of functions, you can "toggle" to the rest, right or left direction without the need of going up to the menu, etc. But I mean really to switch to the "next" function, not just to have this "temporary" cursor function thing. Correct me if I'm wrong or am missing something ...
the forum is too full of topics, it's easy to get lost. please collect youtube comments for your next update. we want to be able to pan midi notes we want pitch automation on audio and midi tracks -we want stretch modes like others -we want to be able to change the pitch of each track in impact xt after using the channel separation function that's all for now
Елки-палки, где ты был раньше, дружище )) и ведь я видел этот флажок в настройках события и даже нажимал на него, но, по-моему, так и не пользовался. А автоматизация кривой громкости без возможности использовать общее понижение уровня канала - это и правда издевательство (mixtool я не учитывал). Спасибо за полезный совет.
Елки-палки, где ты был, дружище )) и ведь я видел этот флажок в настройках события и даже нажимал на него, но, по-моему, так и не пользовался. А автоматизация кривой громкости без возможности использовать общее понижение уровня канала - это и правда издевательство (mixtool я не учитывал). Спасибо за полезный совет.
As helpful as these videos are - and they ARE helpful - I generally find myself doing the opposite of the methods shown. My genré is classical-adjacent and a flat-top wave form sounds...terrible. I hate limiters, I can hear it come on. My music needs quiet parts, and if my audience of what? two hundred? is listening in their cars or in mono, they shouldn't be. don't stop what you're doing though! this is all very useful and I appreciate it.
Regarding volume automation if you've done your automation and you say oh man it needs to come up or down use the mix tool plugin, that's what it's for you can raise or lower by db's.the entire track.
Many ways to achieve the result! Thanks for sharing your preference!
@@presonus Yeah but my way is the "right way" LOL! J/K
There is always something new to learn with S1!
Dammmnnn!!! Joe, thank you so much for reminding me of this. I had briefly used a clip gain envelope or two waaayyy back when I was first getting to know the DAW a few years ago, but then a couple of months ago when I really needed to use that function again, I was trying to work that same kind of magic using just the basic splits and gains, and thinking "Damn, I thought there was a way to do automation-like level changes on the track's pre-mixer audio. How did I used to do that?", and I racked my brain and just could not remember and was going crazy. NOW I am in the process of doing arrangement/production for a singer/songwriter and you've saved the day here, because I REALLY need to use these clip gain envelopes in this project! Thank you, thank you, thank you, kind sir!!!
Edit: Hey, is there a setting somewhere to have "Gain Envelope" enabled by default upon the creation and/or import of any and all new audio events in a song?
Clip gain is awesome!! Btw, I feel the same about writing volume automation, so wouldnt it be awesome to be able to "write" clip gain automation on a clip level with our faderports for example? 👍
Yep. On my recent project I went all in with clip gain envelopes. Before that, all I knew was to use the Cut tool to separate into discrete events and raise or lower volume of each tiny event. Clip gain envelopes enabled me to adjust an entire audio event in any large or small
Increment I wanted. So simple.
Alternatively use a VCA channel to control the gain of your guitar bus and automate the VCA channel. Your Guitar bus fader is not then 'locked in' and can be tweaked as needed..
Automation doesn't have to lock you in. You can highlight the whole track and hover over the top of the event and use the trim tool to raise or lower the overall volume, while still keeping the automation moves relative to each other. 👍
Hi Joe from @presonus, would be cool if the alternate tool (with Cmd key) would also support upper and lower half of the object, so that we would have essentially 4 tools available instead of only 3.
Thanks, Joe! I've been using the clip gain envelope for quite awhile, but usually just for fades at the end of songs. This is definitely going to expand my use of it.
This is the best audio editing feature in Studio One. I use it all the time and you can zoom in and get very precise. One thing that would be nice in clip gain is to be able to use the paint tool to edit single wave shapes
You can do that since version 4. You can use the gain envelopes and therefore use the paint tool and its shapes!
Joe brings it! 🔊
Clip gain is awesome for a live bass track. You can level out inconsistent volume and big peaks, and not rely so much on compression. And while you're not supposed to mix with your eyes, you can kind of do that for a bass track. You can avoid clipping and free up a lot of headroom. Clip gain is fantastic just for that alone!
Yes. It’s a great way to prep for compression without asking compression to work too hard.
Exactly!
Clip gain is also available in the Project page where it is handy for modifying the volume of parts of a finished song.
Clip gain will save me from now on. Thanks bro!
It's so useful!!
Great tutorial. Will be using all these features with Clip Gain. Thank you, Joe :)
Very Nice - I can use this instead of WD-40 to fix a squeaky chair in an acoustic guitar recording. Thanks Joe!!
Amazing comment 😆 may still want to WD-40 that chair a bit though!
When you un-ticked the clip gain you seemed to imply that the changes were removed? My understanding and experience is that un-ticking the box after making changes retains those changes and just hides the display of the line on the clip. There are a number of other useful options on that menu. I like that you can change the colour and name of the clip for instance.
You're right. un-ticking is just removing the display.
The 'Bypass' to the right of the tick box is bypassing the clip gain changes.
@@OmriBenDavid I hadn't noticed the bypass option - so I've again learned something new. Thanks. It is always good to watch Joe's videos because even if I think I know already what he is talking about I always learn something new too.
@@alphaomega6062 Never ending learning 🙂
I'm in the same boat.
I just watched the two latest videos from Joe and Gregor, thinking, "I already know how to do this. I do it all the time." But then I still learn something new.
It keeps me humble.
Clip gain envelope!! What a fantastic take away from this vid!
Is this something you'll use?!
@@presonus already used this feature the day after I saw this video, so yes 100%
now i am curious, what's your note taking software😅
I wasn't aware of the CGEnvelope. Looks handy!
It's even more useful when you have to do post-production mastering and you want to take out some inter sample Peaks . Also if you use the pencil tool with quantized set to off you can free draw the gain clip and it's extremely useful
great vid, thanks Joe!
*In next update add panning wheel to channel track where volume fader already exists. And they can be controlled with the mouse scroll wheel.
Meaty video - a lot of useful stuff here!
🥩 happy to help!
Great, but how do I do this on multiple tracks at once? For example, I want to gain envelope that same guitar like that, but I have 4 tracks of that guitar (3 mic's and a line) is there a way to group gain envelope them at once?
That was really helpful, just about to do some serious editing and the gain envelope looks like a great way to work. 😎
💯
Hi sir, in 6:41 you mention a tool which I can not find anywhere called trim tool, does anybody hot to find it? Thanks!
When you have the gain envelope checked like at 6:00, the arrow turns into the trim tool when you hover at the top of the track.
Would you consider this primarily in establishing the static mix and then fine tuning later if needed?
Clip Gain feature is crucial for vocals!
Thank you, Joe. Learned a lot right here.
I have a feature request for the next updates of studio one, to be able to create folders and Buses for the specific folder within the mixer, and to be able to add cross fades/fade at the end of an event and event gain/clip gain but to folder events, just like how its done on individual tracks instead of having to add automation the folder, also to be able to place the mouse on any corner edges and drag the folder event left and right as we choose to shorten the folder event and the tracks with it, to act just like how its done on a individual track. I usually have to do drag on the individual track within a folder to shorten the folder event.
@presonus plzz introduce vocal chain plugin like cubase 13 one plugin all type vocal pre-set in one plugin,so macine load is low for low-end computer
Super info! Thanks for this Joe! Also is there a scrub function in Studio One or plans to add one in the future?
*More numbers need to be added to the channel track meter, -12 after -18, and -24 after -30.
Joe my presonus eris 3.5 studio monitor low on volume on right side of the monitor. Any solution to fix?
Hello! Please reach out to support so they can look into this for you! You can do this in your account on my.presonus.com
is there clip gain for instruments
Can you bounce it down afterwards
... you know, this brings me to the idea again : it might be a good thing to implement these "toggle" functions (in other softwares the logical key is usually "TAB"), but it can be anything, besides, we do not want it to move "toggle" only in 1 direction, but in both directions, right? So every group of functions we have in Studio One should have the possibility to be "toggled", so once you are in a certain group of functions, you can "toggle" to the rest, right or left direction without the need of going up to the menu, etc. But I mean really to switch to the "next" function, not just to have this "temporary" cursor function thing. Correct me if I'm wrong or am missing something ...
When i adjust the clip gain the volume does not decrease at all, anyone know why? It seems to have something to do with the amp modelling.
It would be nice to have clip gain inside sample one
Select and + and - doesnt work for me. Why?
Excellent !
the forum is too full of topics, it's easy to get lost. please collect youtube comments for your next update. we want to be able to pan midi notes we want pitch automation on audio and midi tracks -we want stretch modes like others -we want to be able to change the pitch of each track in impact xt after using the channel separation function that's all for now
TY Joe did not know !
Hope this helps!
Елки-палки, где ты был раньше, дружище )) и ведь я видел этот флажок в настройках события и даже нажимал на него, но, по-моему, так и не пользовался. А автоматизация кривой громкости без возможности использовать общее понижение уровня канала - это и правда издевательство (mixtool я не учитывал). Спасибо за полезный совет.
Love it!!
*Need a inbuilt Level Meter in browsing section.
this was an awesome tip until i realized it also edits every duplicated instance of the audio file. is there a way to not do that?
Елки-палки, где ты был, дружище )) и ведь я видел этот флажок в настройках события и даже нажимал на него, но, по-моему, так и не пользовался. А автоматизация кривой громкости без возможности использовать общее понижение уровня канала - это и правда издевательство (mixtool я не учитывал). Спасибо за полезный совет.
Super!!!
Why not select the events, go to the Inspector and normalize to whatever level you choose so they are all the same?
Beware of Normalize! Start your gain staging with the preamp fader.
Then, only small adjustments are necessary.
thanks Joe
As helpful as these videos are - and they ARE helpful - I generally find myself doing the opposite of the methods shown. My genré is classical-adjacent and a flat-top wave form sounds...terrible. I hate limiters, I can hear it come on. My music needs quiet parts, and if my audience of what? two hundred? is listening in their cars or in mono, they shouldn't be.
don't stop what you're doing though! this is all very useful and I appreciate it.
Studio One
🫡 yes sir!
S1 the best
Yes, I am a Franklin Quest oops I mean Franklin Covey lifer too Joe. Lol.
i just add a bus and automate a gain plugin in there so I can leave the mix fader free
clip gain in pro tool need no split
all this time I've been using clip gain like an amateur
I'm sure you've been doing a great job! Maybe this will just help you expand your skills a bit!
sorry very not friendly user...please be more simple more practical and give more demos ...less talking!