What is the Fastest Halo Vehicle From Every Halo Game? (Of All Time)
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- Опубліковано 1 лют 2023
- What Halo Vehicle is the fastest in every Halo game? Could it be the Halo CE Ghost, or the Halo 2 Spectre, maybe the Halo 3 Warthog? Well actually it's the Halo Reach Forklift (just kidding)
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Seeing all these vehicle's speeds being tested is really interesting and very entertaining to watch. But we all know that any vehicle Kat drives is the fastest... towards the nearest cliff though.
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Imagine a Wraith being overcharged to have infinite boost like the Ghost section in Halo 4, charging around indefinitely at 130kph. Put that power on the Banished Wraith, with all the spikes and extra armor to not only protect it but also shove obstacles off around and over the Wraith while the bladed sections rip up their armor.
The damage that could do is scary to think about. And that's without upgrading any of the weapons even a little bit.
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Pretty sure I know what's causing your distance measurement issues!
It's likely because of networking. Without deep-diving into netcode... Your client is only getting updated by the server/host a limited number of times per second. Probably less than your frame rate. That means your client has to interpolate sometimes and predict where the vehicle's going to be to keep things running smoothly.
As an example, if you lag really badly and these predictions don't match the server, you experience "rubber banding" when the lag passes and you get an update from the server.
When you're measuring a small fraction of a second, the slight discrepancies created by predictions (and corrections when the client is updated by the server) could throw off your calculations.
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Also, meters in game is just going to be a conversion of game units, and it's a completely arbitrary conversion. Meters only exist in the UI - game engine calculations aren't done in meters. In one game, a meter could be 50 units and in the next a dev could arbitrarily decide a meter is now 60 units.
The Saber in Halo Reach might be a little faster than the rally hog :P
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Same with the pelican and broadsword in halo 4
true but they were only testing ground vehicles here
Amazing work guys, especially with the methods you have access to. I just want to clear some things up as a modder: Every halo game uses world units as its unit of measurement for the game world, world units do remain the same size game to game so 1wu in ce is still 1wu all the way up to infinite. HOWEVER, what the hud displays distance as is always different each game. Motion tracker range is always a lie, sniper scope ranges are always inconsistent, and i haven't even looked into the flag markers or speedometers. To my knowledge no halo game shows 1wu as equal to 1 meter, its always some weird conversion. Thanks again for taking this much care and attention in your investigation for the video
That last test with the meme vehicles is what I’d expect for “which vehicle is the fastest”. Like, if I want to get somewhere quickly, the fact that the wraith can get up to 140 kph for a fraction of a second doesn’t matter; how fast is it getting to a place in total.
Maybe having a run-up distance before the race starts so all vehicles are at their max speed for it would help, to avoid the slow accelerators, or just a straight up drag race like what you did.
How about testing the fastest Master Chief in every Halo game? Also, one way to test speed is to measure the self-body length it can clear within fix time, you can try that next time. It's used when we want to compare speed of different animal, exp: human vs roach.
For halo 3 you could always take assembly (tool) change the actual value for length of boost not velocity from there you'll get the same exact amount just a longer duration and in turn get a better understanding of the speeds for the chopper and wraith there's also taking each one and changed fps each time then taking the average (much love amazing effort love the content)
Well if Kat's driving, it's like the autobahn, except you're headed off a cliff side
With the resources available, if you are unable to measure a boost-vehicles' top speed, you could do a side view comparison. Use a warthog as a constant and compare the speed and position of the wraith to the warthog. If during the apex of the wraiths boost it gains any ground closing the gap between it and the hog, then its top speed is faster. You may even be able to get a number if you can figure out the rate of acceleration and deceleration.
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"Now we decided to go back to Halo Reach to run some tests there"
*Warthog straight up effing DIES*
^^I feel like that was poetic in some way... Bravo
Now this is information I didn't know I wanted but I definitely needed, love it 😎
Could you do a vid on different behavior of enemies when they're in vehicles? Is a brute in a ghost more dangerous than a grunt in a ghost? I think this would work elites too in banshees and wraiths
I agree, this would be interesting
As an engineer, I appreciate the effort you took in order to make sure your results were correct. Good on you.
This probably doesn't help, but I looked at the physics and found a way to calculate how fast the boost is as a proportion of the base speed, and that proportion is true regardless of framerate/engine properties/etc.
You need to run a boost-able vehicle along a track of known length, and time how long it takes to do that, just like in the video. The trick is that you need to do it *twice* . First without boosting at all, to get the vehicle's base speed, and another time where you run the track and boost exactly once. You also need to time how long the boost lasts.
The run where you boosted will take a shorter time than the unboosted time. Divide that time difference by the time spent boosting and add 1. That's how many _times_ faster the boost is than the base speed. For example If the time gained is equal to the duration of the boost, then the boost is twice as fast as the base speed. If the time gained is only half the boost duration, then the boost is 1.5x as fast.
Here's a formula, where (Sb) = the speed boosted, (S) = the base speed, (T) is the regular track time, (Tb) is the boosted track time, and (Db) is how long the boost lasts for:
Sb = S * [ {(T - Tb)/(Db)} + 1 ]
This is true regardless of how you measure the distances and times. The proportion (the part in brackets) is a unit-less pure number. So if you can get an objective value for the base speed (S), you can objectively determine the boosted speed.
You could look at the models from each Master Chief and compare them to the models of the vehicles to get a constant unit of scale. After that you could record them driving from above and see how much they move in each frame to calculate how fast they're going.
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@rocketsloth the mantis can move significantly faster than just walking forwards normally. If you move the mantis backwards diagonally, it does a strafing animation which covers much more ground. The travel speed when using this is much faster. Still not enough to become the fastest but I would say it would at least outpace the scorpion.
It's easiest to make this movement on mouse and keyboard as you can just hold 'a' and 's' or 'd' and 's'. You may have to slightly adjust which direction the camera is facing to get the right direction.
Is there any way to mod vehicles in Halo to have an infinite boost to safely find the measurement?
i feel like the wraith(and other vehicles with temporary boost) should have the average of boosting as often as possible and the slow non boosted speed because thats realistically the usable top speed you will be going at. its not fair to say its faster than a warthog if the warthog gets to the finish line first.
The semi in Reach acting as it does makes sense considering how vehicles like that tend to be depicted. Low acceleration but high top speed.
this was a great video with lots of effort in it
In the section you do about the wraith moving on the floating brick columns its speed actually peaks at 0.8 meters per frame, which due to 60 fps means 48 meters a second or 172.8 kilometers per hour.
Just wondering how come you guys didn't do air vehicles or are you saving that for a separate video?
Def gonna see that vid tomorrow. Usually how RS does it.
You seem to be measuring instantaneous velocity on the Wraiths, I'd recommend using 5+ full boost measurements rather than a single full boost as you have here, then averaging it with the average top non-boost speed for a good average top speed in a practical scenario, which may also be a large factor. You seem to be lacking a really dependable control factor in every game, you may be able to use the Chief's size in each game to calibrate your distances or simply lay each piece of footage out, ensure they're all the same length, and go from there. Fun vid and definitely want to see more of what you can determine in later vids.
Wow I finally know why the warthog lurches forwards sometimes. I always thought it was me lol
Nice video!! Just to clarify, at 0:58 it's actually the other way around as you said it. That is, the average speed is equal to the distance traveled divided by the time traveled.
I found this video really interesting trying to do the analysis and I love it
Air vehicles next! Gotta see a Banshee vs Pelican vs Phantom in reach, one of my favorite easter eggs ever was being able to fly that phantom. WE MUST KNOW.
This is off-topic although I have thought about the 'Guardian Forest' level and the 'Sentinel Guardian'. Do you think that the Spartan Laser was supposed to be the weapon the Guardian Sentinel used?
1 The guardian forest level comes before the level The Covenant so it would make sense that the Master Chief would have taken the spartan laser from a Guardian and still have it in the next level.
2 Laser weapons are more associated with the Forerunners than they are the Human Guilty Spark, the sentinels, that auto turret etc.
3 The Guardian has a red eye which I assume it shoots a red laser perhaps identical to the spartan laser?
I think it is an interesting connection. That the Guardian got cut and its weapon was kept in. instead of the Spartan Laser the 'Guardian Laser'.
If you really want to find out the fastest vehicle, you must put it through the ultimate test... "in the prism, of the furnace, through the looking glass, of the crucible, of motorsport." (Richard Hammond)
Master Chief taking the gravity lift to Truth’s dreadnaught in Halo 2 is the fastest.
not a land vehicle tho XD
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Whichever Kat is driving... it gains speed drastically
Altough mostly downwards...
Don't even need the Scorpain in Infinite, when I can just give 5 Marines a missile launcher and pack them into a Razerback!
I can’t believe the kind of video ideas you guys think of
What is the purpose for the wraith boost? (Lore) Like, it’s artillery so it fights at a distance. So it being a getaways tactic would be pointless as it would be so far back. If it’s used to ram targets, it defeats the purpose of it being artillery…
Yeah the 60 fps difference matters for sure because it registers to the servers or engine in this case so faster the frames faster the object in any case
Frame rate affecting speed in Blam games i think has been found out much earlier when people in Destiny 2 realized you travel much farther from air attacks with melee weapons/supers. You could easily do it with the ability to change your frame cap on PC.
Wait guys I think theres a universal standard throughout all the halo games. Master chief. He has an exact height in the lore in armor. And he didn’t change armor until infinite, but one could reasonably assume he’s the same height. Just last master chief on his side and zoom past him!
The real winner is the Halo reach phantom from the New Alexandria easteregg, boost with that thing at it zooms.
I don't think the Halo CE Warthog in The Maw will react to the wheels or frames or that explanation.
I've played Legendary so many times that thing that i remember perfectly well that the Warthog is actually controlled "with the camera", that is, if you look down, your Hog will go into a tailspin.
But if you do the camera up, the Hog falls on all four wheels.
The alien hover bike with zero ground resistance should probably be the fastest
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I'm not sure why boost speeds were even really calculated for. The "fastest" vehicle generally doesn't mean "fastest within a .4 second window", it usually means "fastest overall" which would be an average of speeds. Then you just measure how long it takes to travel some sort of set distance(100m or so if you can get it) while boosting as best as you can within that set distance, and average it out to get the average speed. "Which vehicle is the fastest while boosting" shouldn't have ever really entered the discussion imo, it should have just been an average.
i knew about the elphent and sand box way back in the day. the best one is u can use that thing as a sheild to sit there. as your geting shot at.
Say that the player, being in armour, is 2 metres high. Divide by 2 the number of units the player model is high, and then you'll have your measuring stick.
No Spectre from Halo2 ? AMATEURS! Edit - They only mentioned Spectre, but dont even show it during the video, what a shame!
Use the mod tools if you can't test things accurately. You can probably add a speedometer to each hud
lol What up Sauce, nice work on the video
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I think the Fastest Playable Vehicle of all Halo Games including Air vehicles I guess and dare to say it is the Halo Reach Phantom, that you can get after activating the Buttons to get it with a Banshee, in the Mission New Alexandria near the End of this Mission. In normal Top speed it's not that Fast but in boosted Speed it gets really fast, despite not being Sure if it's really Faster than the H4 Pelican, Sabre, Seraph or Broadsword, you can accelerate the Phantom even more by get into Curves, which its flying maneuver behavior gets really Wacky. But I guess that Forward Boost + Air-Drifting Acceleration is probably a Bug since the Phantom usually isn't supposed to be Playable for the Players.
They should make a turbo rally forklift now, lol!
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You could try measuring Spartan height and then using pixel thingy measuring magic to use as a baseline for measuring distance and speed since Spartans are pretty consistent in height across all games
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It may not be a player controlled vehicle, but have yall thought about testing the mammoth from halo 4 as well? I can clearly remember some parts of the mission where that sucker really picked up some speed
Haven't started yet but I think a warthog is just gonna be the top again
Okay I see what you're saying here, but practically speaking, the fastest vehicle is still the warthog across pretty much every game, right? It doesn't really matter if the wraith can top speed faster than a warthog for less than a second because the warthog is still clearing more distance faster
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I suppose the framerate being variable can mess things up. If you rely on a consistent framerate to calculate speed, it's all good, a simple division. But if the framerate varies ? you'd have to account for the frame rendering time, which I wouldn't be surprised you can get with mods/debug tools.
You guys need to test the air vehicles next. I believe the reach covenant aircrafts might be faster
I dont wanna classify the Halo Reach wraith the fastest vehicle in the game, just on "the boost function". It should be its "typical" speed.
i guess you can see it two ways because i feel like the wraith(and other vehicles with temporary boost) should have the average of boosting as often as possible and the slow non boosted speed because thats realistically the usable top speed you will be going at. but sure on a technicality the halo 3 wraith did go 139 km/h.
also the average across several houndred meters is way more accurate than the time period of 0.4 seconds. 0.4 seconds is way to little time to get any accuracy.
The last meme vehicles mentioned - are any of them comparable to a moving Spartan and a sprinting Spartan?
They are all faster
Need to race the Saber and Seraph tbh
How to get velocity for Halo 2:
1. Find a runway to test vehicles in
2. Extract the level's geometry into a .ASS file using H2's Editing Kit Tool program
3. Load the .ASS file into Blender using the Halo Import tool
4. Scale all geometry by 0.0304 (this sets the scale to be 1:1 with real life)
5. Use Blender's measuring tool to see how long the runway is. Use the figure for your equation's Distance variable.
6. Use a stopwatch to get the time. Use that number for your equation's Time variable.
7. Calculate Velocity with D/T.
8. Repeat steps 6 & 7 with each vehicle.
If you want, I can get you the measurements for any piece of geometry you want. I have all the Halo 2 geo loaded on my PC, so just pick your runway and I'll send you the distance.
You can also use this technique for CE, 3, and ODST. This will get your perfect measurements too!
For Reach, and 4, you'll need to extract the geometry using Reclaimer. No need to scale those though, since they're already scaled 1:1 unlike the .ASS files.
Unless mcc changed it if you have armor abilIties in reach and halo 4 set to infinite it will give the wraith and ghost infinite boost that may assist in getting their top speeds
Awesome vid guys..
The amount of work you put into this..
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I just thought of a cool video Idea. Evolution of Covenant vehicles!
If you do this test again, the Spartan should be the same height in each game, at least the closest thing to a constant between the games. See any episode of mythbusters to figure out converting vertical height to speed horizontally.
Just use the dev tools to extract the map geo and use Blender's measuring tool. No need to make guesses based on character height :)
@@austinbaccus That would be cheating
The spartan is unfortunately not the same height in each game. The reach and 4 spartans are significantly shorter if I recall correctly.
I think the Scorpion will be the slowest and maybe the ghost, warthog, or mongoose will be the fastest
If halo wars 1 one was in this video the scorpion would might be in the top 5
We need a mod to port in all Halo vehicles from every game into one map and then race them all
What if you take the canonical height of the master chief or a spartan and use that to get the measurement of the distance in chief height terms and using that to determine the speed on every Halo with a some sort of accurate measurement for all the titled
really good job guys this mus have taken you hours to complete😄
surely you can get a mod to have unlimited boosts for vehicles so you can do longer runs with each to get a consistent and accurate speed/distance travelled p/s? surely thats going to be the most accurate way and easiest way to measure this
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How have I had no idea that H2As multiplayer had a scorpion and wraith
So what we need is a mod to load every vehicle from every game and drag race them.
We just need a halo CE forge with a forge world
Doesn't the fact that your Halo 3 track was diagonal make all your times off?
Forklift rally! Forklift rally! Forklift rally!
couldnt you make a standard unit of measurement using forge to place something thats the same size between games. then you could say set up x amount of said objects in a line and test how many irl seconds it takes to drive across it. this wouldnt give you irl km/h, but it would tell you the fastest vehicle. i dont know much about forge but i assume there would be a box or platform, or maybe those blue squares i saw you guys driving on in the video thats the same between games.
As a speedrunner, I already knew this stuff, but it was still enjoyable.
I’m assuming that each game has a slightly different in game unit for a meter. But if not then this is all correct which is cool.
well honestly if each halo is slowly built off the last engine something like hidden values like world units wouldnt have much reason to change, atleast under 3 circumstances
1. physics like gravity affecting the acceleration (which that has changed since halo 3 you jump higher then halo ce meaning the other reasons dont matter (but you can change world gravity if you want it to match i suppose))
2. all the games have have the same overall decimal place limit if one game is only tracking 0.1 values but another tracks 0.001 would give reason to adjust the overall world units system
3. if it caused some sort of issues (the warthog run on maw for example where they had to modify something to compensate for a goal they wanted even then they might not of needed to change world units)
since they had relatively the same number upto halo reach with the speedometer for race mode atleast the games up to that point are safe to assume they are the same world units (and with their math they can double check it since there are mod tools to read the files to compare (the issue is that you see acceleration speed and windup time not max speed if im mistaken in the files))
So you threw in the fork lift but not the Elephant in halo 3 forge on sand trap?
wasnt there a canon measurement in any of the guns that can be used?
My guess would be the mcc seraph or broadsword lol
So when we getting air and space vehicle speeds? :)
Hey game developer here it could be very easy to get a speed and change the fact that it updates every frame and make it update on a time interval no matter the frame rate hmu if you would like to do this I’d be happy to help
My brother and i usedbto start chaos on the sniping mission in reach then lure as many enemies as possible kver to the forklift then we would blow it up
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What about the Reach Falcon?
Why don't you use the Spartan model as your constant?
I’m shocked the warthog is faster than the ghost. I always thought the ghost was the fastest ground vehicle in halo.
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Wait wait wait, I could have sworn Halo Reach's Revenant has always been faster than the warthog... also you forgot air vehicles, that being said in Halo Reach, the Falcon going at top speed and climbing should be insanely fast!
Sabre or Seraph wins handily for Reach tbh
wait what you use the metric system?
Why not mod the game to have infinite boost?
or set the boost speed as the default speed?