The best way to know the date of a map is to check if Portugal exists: If it does you can imeddiately narrow it down to between 1143 and the present day. And if it has the modern borders you know imeddiately that the map was made after 1250
This is even better advice than the one which told you to spin around with eyes closed for 5 minutes "and then You will be facing North", with a footnote "it only works if You are lost on South Pole". Sorry, I don't remember who was the author of this comment.
If you can see that book, it is from at least 200,000BC (To avoid confusion) If the book EXISTS, it is from at least 200,000BC sry for the possible confusion. New Update! If it is made of paper, it is from at least 100BC.
I recently went to a wedding in a castle. I saw a world map on the wall that was made to look like a 200 year old antique, but showed South Sudan. It was the strangest artefact.
Not a map or an atlas, but I once found my grandfather's old elementary school history book. It was quite interesting in that it contained an entire chapter on WWII. But because the book was written in 1943 it had to end on a cliffhanger...
Back in the 90s, I introduced my Thai girlfriend (now wife) to my 100 year old great-aunt. When she told my great-aunt that she was from Thailand, my great-aunt appeared confused. Finally my girlfriend said, "I'm from Siam". My great-aunt smiled. That was a country she knew!
I remember when I was a kid, getting an atlas with my friends and laughing so much because of that one country with a full green flag... Ah, good times
"excuse me, does your map has the city my girlfriend on it? " "yes, it's on page 5" "A-HA! you copied my map! my girlfriend never existed and never will."
So funny bro 😀🙂😍😙😃😀🤣😅😄😃🤣😀🤣😀🤣😃😅😃😚😃🤣😀😙😀🤣😀🤣😃😅😃😅😀🤣😀😙😀😂😀😋😀😑😍😍😋😍😑😍🧐😬😰🥶😠😖😍😜😜😍🤪🥰🤪🥰🤪🥰🥰🤪🥵🤮🥵😟🥵🤢🤢😬🤮😬🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🛐🛐🛐🛐🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅
That last Atlas is a treat for all geography enthusiasts! It’s a veritable encyclopedia of the world as seen from the Western perspective at the turn of the last century and was probably quite expensive.
My granddad had an atlas from the 60s I found in my house that has the USSR and Yugoslavia as well as many other places. There is a mistake in it that suggests that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland were Soviet socialist republics, as they use the same borders which are listed on the key as 'SSR'
Awesome and super interesting analysis, enjoyed every second of it! One thing to add is also the fact that it matters who drew the map. Countries dont always agree on international borders/changes and might draw two different maps at the same time.
One time my mother brought a globe map from my grandparents house, but they didn't even think anything of it, so I always passed by it and noticed weird things but didn't really stop to thoroughly inspect it until one day I did and noticed more weird stuff like it had Yugoslavia, West Germany, East Germany, Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, only one Sudan and a bunch of other stuff that was completely out of date, by what I saw it was probably a map from the 80s which is pretty cool.
I like these kinds of videos. My stepdad recently found an atlas from the early 1930’s I think. It was made in the city I live in, Chicago, so it’s very U.S centric, but they do have maps for the rest of the world.
The problem with older maps I think is that it took so much time to make them. There's a map of my town that was surveyed in 1846-1847 and released in 1849. Chances are it was out of date before it was even released.
I have a map hanged in my room that says it was made in 1920, and I guess that's about right, but only for it's borders. The map had probably the first edition printed in 1920, but they kept on making new edits to name changes on the map, and while making those new edits they seemed to have no intention with messing with the borders again with each new update. The cherry on the cake is Ireland, because after it became independent I guess that they just said "Fuck it, I'm not doing this again" and changed the name of the British Empire to British Isles. So basecaly Britain doesn't exist in my map.
Great video! For the atlas, it shows the New Territories north of Kowloon as part of Hong Kong, which were ceded on a 99 year lease in 1898 (precipitating the 1997 handover).
um, small little detail. 7:10 when you panned down, I noticed "Nunavut" written on the top part of Canada, Nunavut was not formed until April 1st 1999.
whenever i see my globe or map around my house i see D. R. Congo and i ALWAYS read it like “Dominican Republic of Congo” instead of Democratic Republic of the Congo idk why
This is funny since my grandma has the same map and always when I visit her I always see the map and, I always wondered what exactly year that was made and, then this video came out.
Another one for your father-in-law's atlas I noticed when you talked about Macau. Hong Kong also included the New Territories which only happen in 1897
The most recent world atlas that I own is from 1986 (reprinted 1988), so still has the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, East Germany etc. I also have the Bloomsbury Pocket Encyclopaedia of the World, 1991 printing. This is interesting because it has the information about Germany still split into West and East, but the East section is headed “Germany, Federal Republic of (former German Democratic Republic)” and there is a note “Since 3 October 1990 part of Federal republic of Germany”. There is also an entry for “Germany, Federal Republic of (former West-Berlin)”, with a similar note to the one given for East Germany. I remember being at a meeting in Frankfurt in late 1989, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the topic of the possibility of German reunification came up over lunch. The opinion of educated people was that it would never happen. Of course, less than a year later, it did happen.
10:55 Ha... Don't knock Prince Henri of Orléans too much, please! One did not simply walk into Tibet in the 1890s and the locals did not actually know the source of the Irrawaddy at the time so he technically did "discover" how the geography pieced together. Salomon Andrée was not so lucky, but it took 33 years to find out what had happened...
There was a world atlas in my elementary school that was made during the early 1990s, and there were two copies that were different versions/printings. Stuff that the older version had that was left out of the newer version (that I remember) included Bonn as the capital of Germany, spelling Belarus as "Byelorussia", and a cliffhanger on the official borders of the former Yugoslavia (I even remember a white space being put over Bosnia and Croatia, with the SR borders being used as placeholders) .
I've pinpointed my map to the first half of the year 2012 or last day of 2011, from 31st December 2011 (Samoa switches the International Date Line) to 28th of May (Malawi changes it's flag)
Turkey doesnt actually have its current borders on the first map. the province of hatay on the map is part of the French mandate of Syria whilst it would join turkey later
I found an old Norwegian map of Europe from the 50s when I was cleaning my grandma's basement, I asked her if I could keep it, she said yes and now I have it in my room :)
Hey, for future reference, if it’s FR Yugoslavia (the one encompassing only Serbia and Montenegro), it can’t be older than 2003, since the name was changed to State union of Serbia and Montenegro.
When I was about 16, I found a couple at world atlases someone had throw out with their trash and liberated them [1967] - one of them included current heads of state: Hitler in Germany. I still have them - never throw away books LOL
Hey Spaghetti, Tunisia had their old flag on your original map. On 1999 they made minor changes to the crescent on the map. It's not really noticeable until you put both new and old flag next to each other.
Several years ago, I made up a song whose lyrics were a list of every country in the world in alphabetical order -- according to the map I had, which was somewhat out of date. It's posted as a video, called "countries song with flags". I don't know whether linking one of your own videos in the comments of someone else's videos is disallowed, or whether it's just that it's usually kind of obnoxious. Either way, I won't include the link unless Spaghetti Road says it's ok. But it would be neat to know whether the map is a "should not exist", just from names and flags.
Have you seen EmperorTigerstar's map from the 1700s that contained Poland-Lithuania? Maybe he can give you a closer look at that one so you can determine it's exact date
Even today we have straightforward maps which should not exist. For example, York University train station in Toronto was closed in 2020 and demolished in 2021 but it still appears on some new route maps issued as of 2023. And these maps are produced by the same company which demolished the station.
![How I asked EVERY country's embassy for flags [part 1]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/Jbix9y8iV38/mqdefault.jpg)
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Why was china in greek
The ending is “take care”
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Yes
The best way to know the date of a map is to check if Portugal exists: If it does you can imeddiately narrow it down to between 1143 and the present day. And if it has the modern borders you know imeddiately that the map was made after 1250
Thanks. Tip helps a lot
This is even better advice than the one which told you to spin around with eyes closed for 5 minutes "and then You will be facing North", with a footnote "it only works if You are lost on South Pole".
Sorry, I don't remember who was the author of this comment.
But you have to aware of the Iberian Union between 1580 and 1640, where Portugal might not be drawn as an independent country
If you can see that book, it is from at least 200,000BC
(To avoid confusion)
If the book EXISTS, it is from at least 200,000BC
sry for the possible confusion.
New Update!
If it is made of paper, it is from at least 100BC.
@@BananenLP Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project.
I recently went to a wedding in a castle. I saw a world map on the wall that was made to look like a 200 year old antique, but showed South Sudan.
It was the strangest artefact.
Yoooooooo that's cool
Wow, those mapmakers in 1820 sure had some great foresight! (;
Whoa, really?
@@anandhinataraj6760 no
@@oasis1282 no
Yes! More people calling it Dr. Congo!
Hey
KhAnunis I laughed so hard when I first heard you call it that
Dr. Congo what do I have
Dr. Congo: you are insane
The chad pronunciation
Lmao
Not a map or an atlas, but I once found my grandfather's old elementary school history book. It was quite interesting in that it contained an entire chapter on WWII.
But because the book was written in 1943 it had to end on a cliffhanger...
Reminds me of some of the school books I had that ended in the Iraq war.
Back in the 90s, I introduced my Thai girlfriend (now wife) to my 100 year old great-aunt. When she told my great-aunt that she was from Thailand, my great-aunt appeared confused. Finally my girlfriend said, "I'm from Siam". My great-aunt smiled. That was a country she knew!
So your great aunt was born in the 1890s? Wow, she even saw the German Reich, Russian Empire and colonial age. Thats just impressive
@@anthemsofeurope2408 and also means she saw some things...
@@anthemsofeurope2408 or she was born quite after that, but before the name “Thailand” became more popular.
Remembered my grandma learnng two years ago that Yugoslavia didn't exist anymore
I remember when I was a kid, getting an atlas with my friends and laughing so much because of that one country with a full green flag... Ah, good times
Libya
@@Ywthg5w6gwvyw Gaddafist Libya
Mapmakers often made deliberate mistakes as a form of copyrighting, so they could see who was copying their maps when the mistake was copied as well.
Paper Towns
"excuse me, does your map has the city my girlfriend on it? "
"yes, it's on page 5"
"A-HA! you copied my map! my girlfriend never existed and never will."
Doctor Congo caught me off guard, couldn't stop laughing
So funny bro 😀🙂😍😙😃😀🤣😅😄😃🤣😀🤣😀🤣😃😅😃😚😃🤣😀😙😀🤣😀🤣😃😅😃😅😀🤣😀😙😀😂😀😋😀😑😍😍😋😍😑😍🧐😬😰🥶😠😖😍😜😜😍🤪🥰🤪🥰🤪🥰🥰🤪🥵🤮🥵😟🥵🤢🤢😬🤮😬🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿👦🏿🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🤮🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🕋🛐🛐🛐🛐🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌🕌✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅✅
same
@@oasis1282 Bruh
It's definitely more accurate than calling it a "democratic" Republic
Congo line as Zaire line
That last Atlas is a treat for all geography enthusiasts! It’s a veritable encyclopedia of the world as seen from the Western perspective at the turn of the last century and was probably quite expensive.
My wife actually wanted to throw away my grandpa's old globe. Good for her she didn't, I'd send her straight back home to Siam.
DAMN 😂😂
Goddamnnnnn
Was it to the Prussian consulate in Siam via aeromail o. The 4:30 auto-gyro? Lol
🤣🤣🤣
There's no direct flights there, you have to transfer in Formosa
My granddad had an atlas from the 60s I found in my house that has the USSR and Yugoslavia as well as many other places. There is a mistake in it that suggests that Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland were Soviet socialist republics, as they use the same borders which are listed on the key as 'SSR'
that’s not a mistake, they were part of the SSR, under dictator Will Smith
Not a mistake. Political sub-division.
@@JESL_TheOnlyOne you might actually be right, the ssr were sub divisions of the ussr and same goes for Ireland, Wales and Scotland for uk.
@@toasty6570 Strike "...might actually be.." and insert "are".
Yes, I know more than a little about cartography. Thanks for the support.
@@JESL_TheOnlyOne yes sir , sorry sir oorah
01:50 Constantinople was called "Konstantiniyye" in Turkish, only people in the city called "Istanbul".
yeah, and Greeks living in there called it something like Istanbul, Turks as well
Sad it is not called Constantinople anymore
Awesome and super interesting analysis, enjoyed every second of it! One thing to add is also the fact that it matters who drew the map. Countries dont always agree on international borders/changes and might draw two different maps at the same time.
I love old maps! ❤️🗺️ I bought a giant Europe map from 1962 from my school for 10€. It was just lying in storage.
Cool
you should have stolen it😎
That sounds awesome!
Your school must be very cool. Mines only have maps about The U.S states :(
@@DebsStuffs Well im from Finland.
This is fantastic! Love old maps and finding out how the world has changed through them
One time my mother brought a globe map from my grandparents house, but they didn't even think anything of it, so I always passed by it and noticed weird things but didn't really stop to thoroughly inspect it until one day I did and noticed more weird stuff like it had Yugoslavia, West Germany, East Germany, Soviet Union, Czechoslovakia, only one Sudan and a bunch of other stuff that was completely out of date, by what I saw it was probably a map from the 80s which is pretty cool.
Finding when maps were created was more interesting than I imagined
Can we appreciate the amount of effort with the information and the animation put into this video?
This was like a fun history lesson, please make more of these types of videos!
I love this, I’ve been doing this with every globe I see and im glad to see other people enjoy doing this
I loved this! I wanna see more! I also like flags.
Mee to
Me too
I like flags too, but the only one on my wall is the flag of my country ):
@@MrFrankenBeans519 what flag
@@haiiwje Im from Canada, so the Canadian flag
This is absolutely amazing. The best series om youtube! Please continue it!
Why don’t you have at least 1mil?! You are one of my favourite channels and your content always gives! Keep it up!!! :D
I absolutely love this!!!! I have an old map of Italy that used to be my grandads. It's from between WWI and WWII but would LOVE an exact year
Send a picture me!
@@SpaghettiRoad whats the name of these lines betwen years and green and red
I once came across a map which had Yugoslavia and South Sudan at the same time. Strange trippy moment I’ll tell you that
11:30 Switzerland is pretty much the same as now. The only thing is, that Jura was still a part of Bern on this map. Now is it independent.
This is absolutely incredible - I have a world map bought in Lithuania, I wonder if I'll be able to pinpoint the date as accurately as you 😅
Great Video! Old maps are very interesting, please make more of this!!
I like these kinds of videos. My stepdad recently found an atlas from the early 1930’s I think. It was made in the city I live in, Chicago, so it’s very U.S centric, but they do have maps for the rest of the world.
The problem with older maps I think is that it took so much time to make them. There's a map of my town that was surveyed in 1846-1847 and released in 1849. Chances are it was out of date before it was even released.
I have a map hanged in my room that says it was made in 1920, and I guess that's about right, but only for it's borders. The map had probably the first edition printed in 1920, but they kept on making new edits to name changes on the map, and while making those new edits they seemed to have no intention with messing with the borders again with each new update.
The cherry on the cake is Ireland, because after it became independent I guess that they just said "Fuck it, I'm not doing this again" and changed the name of the British Empire to British Isles. So basecaly Britain doesn't exist in my map.
1:34 There’s also a missing province of Turkey, Hatay, which joined Turkey in 1939
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@@oasis1282 No
Man All those maps are more or close to hundred years old
1:30 in this map Turkey is not in the today's shape. In 1939 Hatay was annexed by Turkey from french mandate of Syria
Great video!
For the atlas, it shows the New Territories north of Kowloon as part of Hong Kong, which were ceded on a 99 year lease in 1898 (precipitating the 1997 handover).
This is, by far, my favourite video from your channel. These enquiries are tons of fun, and I would absolutely love to see more. Congrats!!
um, small little detail. 7:10 when you panned down, I noticed "Nunavut" written on the top part of Canada, Nunavut was not formed until April 1st 1999.
This was a super intresting video! Thank you so much! :D
i love the way you said “Dr. Congo”
Bordering the country of "Car".
6:42 Belarus changed it's flag at July 7 1995. And your map has new one, so it's made after 7.7.1995
I bought the first interwar map and asked a similar question on Reddit about when the map was made. Thank you for giving a proper year!
whenever i see my globe or map around my house i see D. R. Congo and i ALWAYS read it like “Dominican Republic of Congo” instead of Democratic Republic of the Congo idk why
Very interesting and well done video :)
Amazing!
Compare 1930s Nazi Germany Vs 2020s Communist Chinazi IN YOUR NEXT VIDEO Project.
That Atlas is super cool. I can picture myself just sitting and staring at it for days
This is funny since my grandma has the same map and always when I visit her I always see the map and, I always wondered what exactly year that was made and, then this video came out.
10:28 "This was before pluto was discovered"
How would that affect anything?
It was only considered not the be a Planet in 2011
It used to be known as a planet
I wonder what date (range) you'd arrive at for each of these maps if you followed the XKCD flowchart.
Another one for your father-in-law's atlas I noticed when you talked about Macau.
Hong Kong also included the New Territories which only happen in 1897
This content is incredible - the research and effort is just *chefs kiss*
1:40 also Brusa is Bursa now, Angora is Ankara(Capital city of Turkey) now
No
I'd love to have a look at an old atlas like that
The most recent world atlas that I own is from 1986 (reprinted 1988), so still has the Soviet Union, Yugoslavia, Czechoslovakia, East Germany etc.
I also have the Bloomsbury Pocket Encyclopaedia of the World, 1991 printing. This is interesting because it has the information about Germany still split into West and East, but the East section is headed “Germany, Federal Republic of (former German Democratic Republic)” and there is a note “Since 3 October 1990 part of Federal republic of Germany”. There is also an entry for “Germany, Federal Republic of (former West-Berlin)”, with a similar note to the one given for East Germany.
I remember being at a meeting in Frankfurt in late 1989, after the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the topic of the possibility of German reunification came up over lunch. The opinion of educated people was that it would never happen. Of course, less than a year later, it did happen.
10:55 Ha... Don't knock Prince Henri of Orléans too much, please!
One did not simply walk into Tibet in the 1890s and the locals did not actually know the source of the Irrawaddy at the time so he technically did "discover" how the geography pieced together.
Salomon Andrée was not so lucky, but it took 33 years to find out what had happened...
There was a world atlas in my elementary school that was made during the early 1990s, and there were two copies that were different versions/printings. Stuff that the older version had that was left out of the newer version (that I remember) included Bonn as the capital of Germany, spelling Belarus as "Byelorussia", and a cliffhanger on the official borders of the former Yugoslavia (I even remember a white space being put over Bosnia and Croatia, with the SR borders being used as placeholders) .
This was a great video! Please do more similar stuff! :D
I've pinpointed my map to the first half of the year 2012 or last day of 2011, from 31st December 2011 (Samoa switches the International Date Line) to 28th of May (Malawi changes it's flag)
Love your videos. Thanks!
Loved the video! It keeps getting better!
I once owned an atlas printed in the 1960s,
who showed Germanys boarders of the year 1937 (!)
On this map, Bulgaria is still divided into the Kingdom of Bulgaria and East Rumeli, despite the reunion happened in 1885
6:24 Hong Kong was not so happy about this handover.
i've seen a map online with independent South Sudan, but not an independent Montenegro
I do like maps ! I have a 17th century map of my city, I try to have an old one for each place where I stay a couple of years :)
No
@@oasis1282 No
Turkey doesnt actually have its current borders on the first map. the province of hatay on the map is part of the French mandate of Syria whilst it would join turkey later
Glad to see others do this when they stumble across maps. Of course, I can’t do it with your level of geographic historical detail.
This is a fantastic, fantastic video. Interesting, a joy to watch, and superbly edited. Love your stuff, dude.
It’s pointing at Sweden and Norway, I am scared
Makes sense since he's Danish.
Me living in Sweden and getting nervous...
@@ladycake1515 same…
@@grzegorzha. no
@@ladycake1515 no
I found an old Norwegian map of Europe from the 50s when I was cleaning my grandma's basement, I asked her if I could keep it, she said yes and now I have it in my room :)
Is Morokulien on the map? ; )
@@dw620 no
@@oasis1282 No
@@MrFrankenBeans519 No
@@Utoob8 No
We need more of this keep it up man
Hey, for future reference, if it’s FR Yugoslavia (the one encompassing only Serbia and Montenegro), it can’t be older than 2003, since the name was changed to State union of Serbia and Montenegro.
Amazing video! Just a small nitpick, at 7:08 instead of showing Mauritania's flag you showed that of the Maldives
When I was about 16, I found a couple at world atlases someone had throw out with their trash and liberated them [1967] - one of them included current heads of state: Hitler in Germany. I still have them - never throw away books LOL
Antartica (probably all covered with ice sheet) LMAO
Always a good day with some Spagetti on the road. :)
6:29 Yeah I'm pretty sure there were never two New Zealands at the same time
Hey Spaghetti, Tunisia had their old flag on your original map. On 1999 they made minor changes to the crescent on the map. It's not really noticeable until you put both new and old flag next to each other.
1:32 Look closer, turkey doesn’t have the modern borders there. Hatay is missing
These videos are always entertaining always happy when spaghetti road uploads a vid.
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@@oasis1282 No
Great video! That must have been a lot of work
Ah, my favourite sport:
time lock old maps
Several years ago, I made up a song whose lyrics were a list of every country in the world in alphabetical order -- according to the map I had, which was somewhat out of date. It's posted as a video, called "countries song with flags". I don't know whether linking one of your own videos in the comments of someone else's videos is disallowed, or whether it's just that it's usually kind of obnoxious. Either way, I won't include the link unless Spaghetti Road says it's ok. But it would be neat to know whether the map is a "should not exist", just from names and flags.
Love this content, definitely my kind of thing. Hope its popular with the audience at large!
Man his voice is so wholesome
7:08 Maldives flag was used instead of Mauritanian flag
Greetings from Finland! I have never visited at St Petersburg, because I have a stubborn impression that I will be robbed there😬
0:25 HOI4 players be like: this map looks pretty normal to me
My grandparents have a map like the first one in their garage with red dots on everywhere theyve been to
Wouldn't it take time for the information to be compiled back then
It is always good to have old map so you show children how the world has changed a lot.
This was very cool! Loved the vid!
Have you seen EmperorTigerstar's map from the 1700s that contained Poland-Lithuania? Maybe he can give you a closer look at that one so you can determine it's exact date
I have an Atlas from 1912, my grandfather gave it to me on my birthday. He got it from HIS father.
I loved this video, please do more like this !! :D
i do that a lot. this map you showed in the start is 1998 to 2011, and the next one is 1923 to 1924
I used to do this on maps in school when I was bored
If you really think I'm spending 12 minutes of my life watching a video of you looking at old maps then.... you're damn right!
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@@oasis1282 No
12 minutes isn't really that much
6:58 "Doctor Congo" 😂😂😂😂😂
no
Even today we have straightforward maps which should not exist. For example, York University train station in Toronto was closed in 2020 and demolished in 2021 but it still appears on some new route maps issued as of 2023. And these maps are produced by the same company which demolished the station.
I love old maps, they're always fun to look at and see what changed