Mariah Carey NEVER TOO FAR/HERO live @ NY City Hall Park

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  • Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
  • Mariah's best performance of this song out in 2001 - For each sale of Mariah's "Never Too Far/Hero Medley" single, a donation was made to the New York City Police Foundation, Inc., Heroes Fund

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  • @maximhamley6662
    @maximhamley6662 8 років тому +729

    That moment when Mariah's "lowest point in her career" is higher than everyone else's peak

    • @zgsanpedro
      @zgsanpedro 5 років тому +72

      17 years after, the album Glitter soar high in iTunes Chart!

    • @thefamilitchichannel1341
      @thefamilitchichannel1341 4 роки тому +49

      And she was battling bipolar disorder her mind wasn't fully there but still she had more brain power and creativity than half the music industry put together

    • @santiadame6781
      @santiadame6781 4 роки тому +14

      Zaldy San Pedro And now its on streaming platforms!

    • @carolcorser6661
      @carolcorser6661 4 роки тому +1

      Deletedatafromphone

    • @dinasilva9263
      @dinasilva9263 4 роки тому +2

      👏👏👏👏well said!

  • @garymanuel20
    @garymanuel20 8 років тому +425

    I cannot believe she said "never to far" in whistle register I could cry 😭😭❤️

    • @divo9455
      @divo9455 7 років тому +10

      Gary Manuel I know right

    • @huytran5193
      @huytran5193 7 років тому +14

      Gary Manuel well, believe it

    • @hadiolav851
      @hadiolav851 5 років тому +1

      Gary Manuel why not? The first song is never too far away.

    • @SomewhereOnTheOutside
      @SomewhereOnTheOutside 4 роки тому +7

      @@hadiolav851 Because is very beautiful 😍❤ I'm crying😢😢😢

    • @hadiolav851
      @hadiolav851 4 роки тому +1

      @@SomewhereOnTheOutside yeah it is 👌

  • @KuyaBJLaurente
    @KuyaBJLaurente 8 років тому +330

    Nudge me, guys, if this is really the time of Mariah's "career decline". This is a million-fold better than the career peak of any artists today!!

    • @Cc7618
      @Cc7618 8 років тому +28

      Yes and Its the time when she made the most beautiful Songs. Albums "Charm bracelet and Glitter"

    • @krist.t21
      @krist.t21 7 років тому +11

      Salvador Laurente Jr ikr she's really underrated😢

    • @nicky5548
      @nicky5548 7 років тому +16

      Salvador Laurente Jr this is late but Glitter/charm bracelet was her second prime..... some of the best live performances of her career

    • @seerpou
      @seerpou 3 роки тому +4

      period!!!!

    • @HS-sr3go
      @HS-sr3go 2 роки тому +1

      This album sold over 5 million copies most artists can never do that with 1 album.

  • @DjDarkrace
    @DjDarkrace 12 років тому +103

    she is the ONLY one who can sing like this , perfection, wow

    • @Guest-wb8gx
      @Guest-wb8gx 4 роки тому +5

      Agree all the way. I wish she sang this again.

  • @lesterjames6829
    @lesterjames6829 6 років тому +69

    This Performance should be in Guiness World Record.

  • @anastasiahromanova6529
    @anastasiahromanova6529 10 років тому +191

    2001-2004 were great years for Mariah vocally.

    • @jaybeetv5808
      @jaybeetv5808 9 років тому +36

      Anastasia Romanov Extremely great. Only years that were better were 1993-1996

    • @thedivasofsupreme6190
      @thedivasofsupreme6190 8 років тому +34

      +JayBeeTV 1990-1997 Mariah is the best Live vocalist in the planet. 2001-2006 was a great years for her vocally.

    • @SomewhereOnTheOutside
      @SomewhereOnTheOutside 4 роки тому +11

      @@thedivasofsupreme6190 Yess But 1993-1996 Was her prime

    • @lennykohen
      @lennykohen 4 роки тому +2

      I love how airy the whistles were in that time

    • @SomewhereOnTheOutside
      @SomewhereOnTheOutside 4 роки тому +8

      @@lennykohen From 1997-2004 her whistles was very airy

  • @kristyparker4147
    @kristyparker4147 8 років тому +224

    she sounded amazing, her voice was so clear and she sang with ease. I miss that Mariah 😢

    • @NickMcOjoni
      @NickMcOjoni  8 років тому +43

      You're absolutely right. I love her so much but it seems like she's afraid to hit some notes. Too many times,now,her throat closes.

    • @clydeclyde2901
      @clydeclyde2901 8 років тому +22

      every singer are changing because of aging, that's their voice was change

    • @sevaelacoc
      @sevaelacoc 7 років тому +12

      +Clyde Clyde Actually vocal changes caused by age are results of bad technique (there are a lot of singers whose voices didn't change at that age), her voice hasn't changed that much, but she probably finds it harder to reach some notes (because of age, but that's not vocal change), she should just take some time to rest and improve her technique and she would be as awesome as she used to be (in terms of technical singing), 'cause she still can slay. I think she should try to get rid of these awful nodules, her whistles have lost some of their quality, but she could relearn them, just take time and find the right vocal coach.
      PS. Forgive if I made any mistakes, I'm not a native speaker.

    • @andresahatsidabutar4711
      @andresahatsidabutar4711 6 років тому +1

      Is that because drinking wine?

    • @merayahcarey9390
      @merayahcarey9390 5 років тому +8

      Mariah is the best singer in the world‼️ Her talent is incomparable

  • @StevenSenjaya
    @StevenSenjaya 4 роки тому +45

    In my opinion, this was her best performance surpassing all of her performances in 1997-2000. Even though her belt wasn't that high here, her singing was very comfortable and her tone was really gorgeous here

    • @butterflyera
      @butterflyera Рік тому

      She was almost 100% rested here after what the horrendous rainbow era did to her voice

    • @NotyourDad54
      @NotyourDad54 2 місяці тому

      That's why her whistle was really strong here, when her nodules are bigger she can whistle easier and harder to belt, vice versa

  • @grandintart6358
    @grandintart6358 7 років тому +61

    Is no one gonna talk about how beautiful and flawless that whistle was transitioning into Hero!!! 😍😍😍😵😵😵

    • @Neonlike0
      @Neonlike0 3 роки тому

      She improvised that part on top of it!

  • @iorlanch6290
    @iorlanch6290 2 роки тому +6

    1:55 this part make my cry, she will always be perfect

  • @bclislife
    @bclislife 8 років тому +141

    I wish she would perform this again.

    • @polobaluyut6816
      @polobaluyut6816 8 років тому +19

      Same. There is a 0.001% chance now because she finally acknowledged Glitter with Loverboy.

    • @justinlevon327
      @justinlevon327 5 років тому +20

      Lambily Loft you got your wish

    • @StevenSenjaya
      @StevenSenjaya 3 роки тому +5

      No hate but now I wish she would perform this again 100% live acapella

  • @ParkerSpears
    @ParkerSpears 10 років тому +149

    Im personally a mariah fan but think mariah and whitney are apples and oranges. mariah is more sultry and melodic and whitney has more soul and rhythms. Both are timeless

    • @polobaluyut6816
      @polobaluyut6816 8 років тому +18

      Soul is completely subjective tho

    • @iago07
      @iago07 4 роки тому +2

      Vulnerability it really isn’t tho... 🤷🏽‍♂️

    • @aenmyeoljong1768
      @aenmyeoljong1768 4 роки тому +12

      Sorry. Mariah, with her vocal characteristics and capabilities, is like fruit cocktail while Whitney can only pick one fruit to be.

    • @thefamilitchichannel1341
      @thefamilitchichannel1341 3 роки тому +2

      Soul is objective in a sense but not completely. Mariah has proven to have soul with her ability to convey emotions regardless of whether she sings exactly like the record or hits every single note perfectly. In this version for instance she significantly lowered the key of hero but still managed to touch our spirits

    • @honestperson3042
      @honestperson3042 2 роки тому

      @@aenmyeoljong1768 Well said

  • @neworleans504fresh
    @neworleans504fresh 12 років тому +33

    That "never too far" in the whistle register is hauntingly beautiful. Amazing performance

  • @tredom03
    @tredom03 8 років тому +67

    At 3:13, the way she sings "hope" gives me chills.. I've probably watched that part 20+ times in one minute..

  • @StevenSenjaya
    @StevenSenjaya 5 років тому +27

    1:55 that whistle runs is too beautiful

  • @RafaMedinadaydream
    @RafaMedinadaydream 10 років тому +92

    Look inside you and be strong,
    And you'll finally see the truth, that a hero lies in you (:

    • @pieropinoo
      @pieropinoo 6 років тому +1

      Rafa Medina OUOOO UOOO LOOOORD KNOOOIW

    • @migueltaylor266
      @migueltaylor266 5 років тому +2

      It’s a masterpiece, and she is a legend.

  • @AgentAO7
    @AgentAO7 6 років тому +23

    Vocal gymnastics at its finest! The transition from low to high to low to high notes is just insane!

  • @krist.t21
    @krist.t21 7 років тому +54

    i love this era. sounds better than daydream to me, her tone, the raspiness, the angelic whistle, i love this era 😔💓

    • @SomewhereOnTheOutside
      @SomewhereOnTheOutside 4 роки тому

      Rainbow + Charmbracelet = Glitter.
      Rainbow - *Glitter* - Charmbracelet

    • @Guest-wb8gx
      @Guest-wb8gx 4 роки тому

      Yeah, the only thing is that it’s harder for her to high notes since she’s aging and her voice is maturing in this era especially. Which explains why she’s dodging lots of notes

    • @honestperson3042
      @honestperson3042 2 роки тому

      The tone is a preference but overall Daydream is superior vocally

    • @allthingsmusic2024
      @allthingsmusic2024 2 роки тому

      Daydream's ability to hit high notes + Rainbow's agility + Butterfly's raspiness amd sultriness = Glitter

  • @jrussel2632
    @jrussel2632 3 роки тому +14

    You don't deserve mariah at her best ,if you doesn't love her at her worst.

  • @DaniloStrever
    @DaniloStrever 3 роки тому +8

    The greatest vocalist of all time PERIOD 👑

  • @matheuscataneozamparetti2257
    @matheuscataneozamparetti2257 6 років тому +19

    that whistle in Never too Far it's so Beautiful, pure magic.

  • @Andrea-cp8ng
    @Andrea-cp8ng 5 років тому +7

    This was just pure magic. Her whistles, the quality if the upper belts, the runs, just magic. How can somebody say that her maximum was till 1997? I mean, I just love her belts in this era! The intro of Never to Far, that a capella part is wow😍

  • @RogerNichele
    @RogerNichele 11 років тому +4

    Nobody is ever going to sing like her, her voice is gift...she's unique.

  • @go2mac
    @go2mac 9 років тому +42

    So beautiful. Mariah is the greatest among them.

  • @Bleuxman
    @Bleuxman 3 роки тому +9

    This is what I mean when I say a lot of people can hit whistles notes and maybe even higher but only SHE can SING in whistle tones and make it sound musical. Beautiful. Peerless.

  • @0dour
    @0dour 12 років тому +18

    This is my favourite Mariah performance ever

  • @jfrnz1703
    @jfrnz1703 6 років тому +14

    i love her tone during this era.... so clear

  • @ricobhi
    @ricobhi 15 років тому +3

    She's one of a very few performers who can vocalize in her whistle range. And she was PERFECT on this performance. Stellar!! She's #1!!!

  • @thiaguspoga
    @thiaguspoga 7 років тому +20

    i love the elegant way She place her finger on to her ear to hit a whistle note , so beautiful

  • @rubyred93chev
    @rubyred93chev 3 роки тому +10

    _This is the Mariah I know, and fell in love with. Consider this: 911 had just happened, plus MC was still reeling from the Glitter debacle, and her emotional breakdown, yet she comes out singing deep from her heart, leaving it out there on the stage. Talk about legendary!_

  • @themariahempress8466
    @themariahempress8466 8 років тому +40

    This performance is so heartbreaking!! What an amazing voice, artirst and person! So proud to be a lamb. 😊

  • @CyprusHot
    @CyprusHot 8 років тому +31

    Such a pure and angelic voice

  • @nonchalantdewiness
    @nonchalantdewiness 3 роки тому +5

    This is my favorite version of this song, along with Tokyo dome and tribute to heroes

  • @jubilex7119
    @jubilex7119 8 років тому +12

    I can't get over 2:19 amazing!

  • @tremaine861
    @tremaine861 4 роки тому +5

    Her 2001 voice is so underrated.

  • @pr4nknu476
    @pr4nknu476 5 років тому +11

    3:43 No one can whistle with that beautiful face 😍😘

  • @0928calmshadow
    @0928calmshadow 10 років тому +34

    She gives me faith and security of myself...of the things i need to achieve...
    Bless her music and Bless the one and only Mariah carey

  • @MarcoChessa94
    @MarcoChessa94 8 років тому +39

    ❤ one the best performances of hero

    • @seanmm3959
      @seanmm3959 8 років тому +3

      +Marco Chessa - How right you are Marco, and I adore how it was meshed with Never Too Far. I have a newfound appreciation for that song thanks to this.

    • @MarcoChessa94
      @MarcoChessa94 8 років тому +4

      yes they blend beutifully :) and those whistles make it more magical!

    • @seanmm3959
      @seanmm3959 8 років тому +2

      They do indeed! :)

  • @KevenTalks
    @KevenTalks 3 роки тому +5

    It's so interesting to think the years when her voice was in its prime were also the years when her personal life was turbulent (1993-1995, 2001-2002). It's like she could never have her cake and eat it too...

  • @themariahempress8466
    @themariahempress8466 8 років тому +31

    I wish she sang this medley again! :)

  • @fernandom.6534
    @fernandom.6534 10 років тому +22

    this is so beautiful I love her old ballads!

  • @DDenis25
    @DDenis25 10 років тому +20

    'Or maybe it's just that beautiful things are so easily broken by the world'

  • @PrinceMontrey
    @PrinceMontrey 12 років тому +6

    At 2:00 when she whistled "so" and transitioned into Hero, I melted. Love her. We are Lambily!

  • @christianhizkia9410
    @christianhizkia9410 6 років тому +7

    OMG This is heaven ?
    Mariah 'Angel'a Carey.

  • @FreeSoul76
    @FreeSoul76 8 років тому +14

    No body can sing emotional song like her I love u MC😍😭💞

  • @erpy83
    @erpy83 15 років тому +4

    one of the best, if not the best live performance of this beautiful medley-...absolutely flawless!

  • @theovanua
    @theovanua 13 років тому +9

    The transitional whistle

  • @Lederius18
    @Lederius18 15 років тому +3

    i love when Mariah sings, That girl has a great gift!

  • @niltash4ever
    @niltash4ever 11 років тому +3

    I love the smile on the audience faces as the cheer Mariah on. It really shows they're in awe, and not just faking.

  • @Martdiva1979
    @Martdiva1979 4 роки тому +4

    2:04 her voice the music kicks in Amazing ♡♡

  • @kevindeatras4471
    @kevindeatras4471 8 років тому +12

    mariah carey the greatest gift of God from us,,

  • @musiclovers9327
    @musiclovers9327 3 роки тому +4

    Finally!! Live of Never Too Far mygoshhhhhh thank u!! I'm crying 😭❤️❤️❤️

  • @AJBSONIC
    @AJBSONIC 15 років тому +1

    the way she works that whistle register live is a true gift

  • @Edsoncortes1986
    @Edsoncortes1986 4 роки тому +4

    This is a voice you can't compare or imitate, amazing!

  • @Chrick_
    @Chrick_ 4 роки тому +5

    The best performance I’ve ever seen in my life💖

  • @eigen1255
    @eigen1255 4 роки тому +3

    This is one of her most gorgeous performances. They've only done this arrangement of 'Hero' about three times (love the "you've got to, you've got to..." in 2:37).

  • @AyyRamiK
    @AyyRamiK 7 років тому +10

    Still the best of all time - all hail the queen 👸🏼

  • @geminimagno
    @geminimagno 15 років тому +2

    she's so perfect... this presentation was the best of her... I just love her voice at all... She's the best... EVER...

  • @milton216
    @milton216 16 років тому +1

    her whister notes are superb....
    incredible...great...beautiful... flawless

  • @jerroldsimson3682
    @jerroldsimson3682 5 років тому +2

    I am here because today is 9/11/2019 and this song means alot to those who lost someone. #NEVERTOFAWAYHERO ❤ THANK YOU MARIAH FOR ALWAYS BEING THERE

  • @vocalrangeandtechnique2329
    @vocalrangeandtechnique2329 4 роки тому +2

    Best performance all of time. After Hero Tokyo dome 1996

  • @claudiagarau6138
    @claudiagarau6138 2 місяці тому +1

    "Never too far" is so underrated! I love it so much, it brings back so many memories ❤

  • @billiejean601
    @billiejean601 4 роки тому +3

    ngl this is my favorite performance of hero ever

  • @lgg--
    @lgg-- 4 роки тому +2

    I can't get over the way she sounds after the whistle at the start of HERO... "When you feel like hope is gone", her voice sounds warm and spectacular! Mesmerized!!

  • @musicguy713
    @musicguy713 14 років тому +1

    It amazes me that people say that mariah has done nothing to contribute to society, she has done a ton of things that contribute to people! Her voice was really good in this era, i dont get why everyone said her voice had deteriorated, its there and is still here today!

  • @thefamilitchichannel1341
    @thefamilitchichannel1341 4 роки тому +2

    Mariah's voice. So angelic soft and uplifting . It has a spiritual dimension to it. An angel among us 😇

  • @rudwiljohnamaro905
    @rudwiljohnamaro905 4 роки тому +12

    *LYRICS*
    You're with me
    Till the bitter end
    What we had transcends
    This experience
    Too painful to
    Talk about
    So I'll hold it in
    Till my heart can mend
    And be brave enough to love again
    A place in time
    Still belongs to us
    Stays preserved in my mind
    In the memories there is solace
    Oh
    Never too far away
    I won't let time erase
    One bit of yesterday
    'Cause I have learned that
    Nobody can take your place
    Though we can never be
    I'll keep you close to me
    Always remember
    Love
    There's a hero, if you look inside your heart
    You don't have to be afraid of what you are
    There's an answer, if you reach into your soul
    And the sorrow that you know will melt away
    And then a hero comes along, with the strength to carry on
    And you cast your fears aside, and you know you can survive
    So when you feel like hope is gone
    Look inside you and be strong
    And you'll finally see the truth, that a hero lies in you
    Lord knows, dreams are hard to follow
    But don't let anyone, tear them away
    Hold on, there will be tomorrow
    In time, you'll find the way
    And then a hero comes along, with the strength to carry on
    And you cast your fears aside, and you know you can survive
    So when you feel like hope is gone
    Look inside you and be strong
    And you'll finally see the truth, that a hero lies in you
    That a hero lies in you
    Nobody can take your place
    You’re never too far

  • @hayve08
    @hayve08 3 роки тому +1

    her best tone...so beautiful.

  • @wiikillinboredum
    @wiikillinboredum 8 років тому +14

    I LOVE THIS! her voice has such a natural melody

  • @tertra114
    @tertra114 14 років тому +6

    3:28 "(chest voice) in you and you and you and you (transitions into head voice) you you you you you" it's such a small part of the song but i just LOVE how it sounds lol

    • @charmmhie
      @charmmhie 3 роки тому

      right it's just so heavenly

  • @rafaelpissinato7291
    @rafaelpissinato7291 8 років тому +12

    Flawless, the woman more perfect

  • @francisdelacruz5333
    @francisdelacruz5333 4 роки тому +3

    The emotion is overflowing. I'm crying. Thank you my forever queen for always touching my inner soul and saving my depression. 😭❤🦋

  • @Cloudxxx23
    @Cloudxxx23 3 роки тому +2

    NEVER TOO FAR is one of the bests SONGS ever! She should sing this live again! Her voice during this time was magnifecent! It was like she was #cleanse from the toxic environment and gotten enough sleep.

  • @shola2010
    @shola2010 14 років тому +1

    that was insanely beautiful. the high notes were in that perfect register for her to be soft and flourish a bit. still shaking off the chills.

  • @jeriah2651
    @jeriah2651 9 років тому +16

    FLAWLESS.

  • @adewafarm7349
    @adewafarm7349 2 роки тому +1

    She's so genius.
    Living legend

  • @kmlohotpop
    @kmlohotpop 11 років тому +1

    Nothing compares to her!!!!

  • @fauziahain1532
    @fauziahain1532 3 роки тому +3

    ...yes...you are right MAXIM, this song was sang during her lowest point in her career.....but it's one of her very gorgeous song if not the most gorgeous song of her life time career....NEVER TOO FAR...:it's very ironic. ...

  • @Henrybearvamos
    @Henrybearvamos 9 років тому +10

    ravishing ending

  • @jemappelledemma
    @jemappelledemma 8 років тому +21

    Biblical

  • @larrydiaz253
    @larrydiaz253 10 років тому +8

    She's gifted. Love her

  • @Avatargeek23
    @Avatargeek23 7 років тому +4

    I keep hoping that one day she will sound this effortlessly great again. #Queen!!

  • @louiscaissie9321
    @louiscaissie9321 3 роки тому +1

    I love you Mariah Carey 🦋 what a awesome voice,sing from the SOUL Mariah Carey 🦋❤️🌷🇨🇦 lol the BEST

  • @OmarMartinez-xy8fb
    @OmarMartinez-xy8fb 7 років тому +8

    l love her voice.

  • @Veltipacom
    @Veltipacom 4 роки тому +2

    Greatest singer alive!!!

  • @marachelkamatoy
    @marachelkamatoy 14 років тому +2

    this is very touching... i've heard the audio recorded version of it and this was clearly live..

  • @KuyaBJLaurente
    @KuyaBJLaurente 8 років тому +100

    There may be artists who can whistle higher (e.g., Adam Lopez) and longer (e.g., Georgina Brown) than Mariah, but I guess the only one who can do "lyrical whistles" like 3:49 is Mariah.

    • @robyngonzales9289
      @robyngonzales9289 7 років тому +2

      Salvador Laurente Jr
      Minnie Riperton

    • @robyngonzales9289
      @robyngonzales9289 7 років тому +1

      Salvador Laurente Jr
      Piet Arion

    • @Solo-vh9fm
      @Solo-vh9fm 6 років тому +3

      Georgina can't sing. Adam Lopez is great but he plays it safe in the model register, obviously Mariah doesn't.

    • @BM-fb3jm
      @BM-fb3jm 6 років тому +7

      Salvador Laurente Jr lol Adam Lopez and Georgina Brown are NOWHERE near as successful as her

    • @ddKingz-gs8jc
      @ddKingz-gs8jc 6 років тому +1

      What did u say...whistle higher. I think you should clear your head again. U ever heard all in your mind by mariah Carey. The only person who whistled higher than her is goergia brown and mini i think - not sure but don't ever say Adam lopez. Not even close

  • @jasonpadron2112
    @jasonpadron2112 2 роки тому +2

    Best song to song transition in music history

  • @haroldkingsantiagosongs
    @haroldkingsantiagosongs 11 років тому +1

    THIS LIVE SINGING/PERFORMANCE OF MARIAH CAREY GIVES ME GOOSE BUMPS.. HAIL THE WORLD'S QUEEN OF SONGS AND MUSIC MISS MARIAH CAREY.. :).

  • @dimryman
    @dimryman 11 років тому +1

    She is so beautiful, Mimi I love you, Colombia loves you!

  • @anjelocarey
    @anjelocarey 9 років тому +10

    Flawless performance 💖

  • @dannymimi
    @dannymimi 8 років тому +42

    The best singer Mariah and the othe rone is Whitney Houston

  • @dinasilva9263
    @dinasilva9263 4 роки тому +2

    💖MARIAH is the best. LEGEND🦋

  • @jaymarkgutlay
    @jaymarkgutlay 11 років тому +7

    This is a PERFECTION!!

  • @leahshawnsmith1134
    @leahshawnsmith1134 7 років тому +8

    love you Mariah #Thailand😘😍

  • @jeromesaura1507
    @jeromesaura1507 4 роки тому +2

    😘 luv u mimi

  • @rksu747
    @rksu747 17 років тому +2

    Her vocal palate has a limitless varitety of colors. This is a beautiful performance by a Global Treasure! Mariah Carey ROCKS!!!!!
    ☻ ♥ ☻

  • @yahmasakti5917
    @yahmasakti5917 4 роки тому +1

    Those whistle takes me to play play and play again. Amazing mariah 🌸

  • @JoaoVictor-gl1ce
    @JoaoVictor-gl1ce 6 років тому +3

    Love never too far and hero medley. It's beautful songs

  • @rein2430
    @rein2430 5 років тому +4

    I wish she would still attempt to sing hero this way today...like wtf. She lowered the ending so it's easier to sing. Why can't she do that no? I love the way she sings it without belting it. She still hits her ending very beautifully. Who agrees?