Which "Lunchbox" Amp Sounds More CRUNCHY? (MT15 vs Kraken)

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  • @BenjaminThomas-p9f
    @BenjaminThomas-p9f 3 місяці тому +4

    Keep in mind the Victory has 50 watts, 3 usable “channels”, and apparently a great effects loop, where the MT15 apparently needs mods to to the effects loop to fix noise issues.
    Kraken clean is attenuated JCM 800 channel, and then switch the clean off and it’s based on JCM 800, high gain channel based on 5150
    MT 15 clean based on Fenderish clean and Dual Rec distortion.
    Both tuned to the tastes of my two favorite guitar players which means I want both lol

  • @x-Gingerbeard-x
    @x-Gingerbeard-x 6 місяців тому +16

    As a massive fan of the PRS MT-15, the Kraken takes the cake for me surprisingly! It sounds more open, less compressed, more defined in the mids/top-end and less splatty/sizzly in the top-end. The MT-15 has that low-end punch, fat mids and smooth top end that I love, though it sounds considerably darker and more compressed than the Kraken for sure. Which isn't bad at all, just a different flavor. Both are great amps!

    • @baluchon2505
      @baluchon2505 13 днів тому

      The kraken is more than twice the price of the MT-15 though

  • @enuxs
    @enuxs 6 місяців тому +4

    The Kraken sounds just like more of everything - I never regret the "extra money", because of the extra joy I always got.

  • @gabrielstevens41
    @gabrielstevens41 6 місяців тому +42

    The MT15 punches so far above its price point it's ridiculous.

    • @Oilersordie
      @Oilersordie 6 місяців тому +5

      I was stoked with the MT15 price point. I wouldn't say it punches above its price point, but the Kraken is over priced. Let's try and keep the prices down!

  • @youwould2779
    @youwould2779 6 місяців тому +10

    Expected to prefer the victory, but preferred the PRS. Thanks for the comparison.

  • @208414
    @208414 6 місяців тому +4

    It seems like a dual amp mix of these two high gain tones would work really well. The Kraken is more mid range focused and raw sounding and the MT15 has a lot of top and bottom end.

  • @27retrodaze
    @27retrodaze 6 місяців тому +2

    Great work, Jon... I have a 6L6 PRS MT-15 and have always had my eye on getting a Kraken MkII... I think they both sound killer...

  • @unstable.musician
    @unstable.musician 6 місяців тому +1

    It is currently 4:31 AM, and I finally decided to pull the trigger on getting myself a OWNHAMMER IR, specifically the Lynchbacks, it just sounds SO DAMN GOOD

  • @buckcrum9237
    @buckcrum9237 6 місяців тому +1

    I bet these would sound great blended together.

  • @zombicidalmatt
    @zombicidalmatt Місяць тому

    I just got my Kraken a month ago, quite frankly, as dialed in to taste, either one of these amps are excellent choices

  • @IamMusicNerd
    @IamMusicNerd 6 місяців тому +1

    Of these two, I preferred the sound of the MT15. But I think my favorite lunchbox sized amp is still the EVH. But for just a few inches wider (and heavier) I would still pick the Soldano Astro for my favorite smaller sized head.

  • @luisguimaraes2176
    @luisguimaraes2176 6 місяців тому +1

    John, try these magic settings on the MT15. Master: between 9 and 10 o'clock (you'll hear the sweet spot). Presence: 0 / Bass/Mid/Treble: MAX. That will balance the EQ of the amp and turn it into a different monster.

  • @brycedunn8059
    @brycedunn8059 6 місяців тому

    Nice timing i was recently looking at these two. Great vid as always dude ❤

  • @MotoRiff77
    @MotoRiff77 6 місяців тому +2

    It's voxy/marshall vs fender/mesa sounding amps. You can get an Mt100 for the price of the Kraken...good video!

  • @ChickenThug55
    @ChickenThug55 6 місяців тому +1

    I’m a tremonti and Killswitch engage tone fan. The PRS comes through for the sound preferences of those bands. The kraken sounds good though.

  • @EricSabag12
    @EricSabag12 6 місяців тому

    I had the mt15 and sold it a couple of months ago to get the Super Kraken. It's such an amazing amp. it's ridiculously good for its price.
    I may get another one as a second amp in the future.

  • @DaltPlaysGuitar
    @DaltPlaysGuitar 6 місяців тому +2

    Ohhhhhh I’ve been wanting someone to do this comparison

    • @SonicDriveStudio
      @SonicDriveStudio  6 місяців тому +1

      Hope you dug it!

    • @DaltPlaysGuitar
      @DaltPlaysGuitar 6 місяців тому

      @@SonicDriveStudio for sure!! Kept going back and forth of which I prefer!

  • @davidfalconer3521
    @davidfalconer3521 6 місяців тому

    The MT15 sounds like what I think a Dual Rectifier should sound like, after you’ve sorted the flub out. I have an original VX Kraken but I really really want an MT15 too just because it sounds so different. I’d love to see a comparison between the MT15 and a boosted Dual Rec. Love the channel!

  • @redkurn
    @redkurn 6 місяців тому

    Would love to see your entire wall on the headrush cloud and tonenet. 🤩 love both of those amps, I think the kraken is just more forward.

  • @qead1zc
    @qead1zc 6 місяців тому

    Best demos on YT!!!
    I liked the PRS

  • @przemowczarski
    @przemowczarski 6 місяців тому +2

    Kraken 🤘

  • @gr070491
    @gr070491 6 місяців тому

    Have them both cause they are simply sooo good🚀🚀🚀

  • @blickfang3751
    @blickfang3751 6 місяців тому

    the cleans are indistinguishable!

  • @michaelsavides8856
    @michaelsavides8856 6 місяців тому

    You are completely right. On every single point. I love the mt15 but the kraken is way more articulate

  • @dylanjastle
    @dylanjastle 6 місяців тому

    I liked the gain on the PRS more surprisingly. They were also pretty close to each other in sound in my opinion

  • @briansubsist
    @briansubsist 6 місяців тому +1

    The Victory sounds better on both channels. It has a little more body to it where the PRS sounds slightly thinner in comparison. That being said I own the MT 15 and use it as my practice amp. I picked a used one up for 450 and think for the sound and value it can’t be beat.

  • @camreese1444
    @camreese1444 6 місяців тому

    Super happy w my mk2

  • @markoRE
    @markoRE 6 місяців тому

    Great stuff! Thanks for this! 🤘

  • @jamesquinn9971
    @jamesquinn9971 6 місяців тому +1

    Ive got the mt15 yeah there is no marshall crunch tones its either good clean or heavy distortion

  • @thewrit6946
    @thewrit6946 6 місяців тому +1

    The heavy demo track somehow sounds like an opeth/static x collaboration and I love it

  • @ttopper1222
    @ttopper1222 6 місяців тому +1

    Kraken clean sounds much fuller. Might be worth the extra cash

  • @chrisnicolaides7834
    @chrisnicolaides7834 6 місяців тому +2

    John, great video as always. I know that in the past few years PRS have changed the power tubes supplied in the MT15 from 6L6 to 5881s. As Mark Tremonti explained in an interview, this was due to supply issues but he ended up really liking them (but oddly he want back to 6L6 for the MT100....). Have you tried a 'new' MT15 from the past few years with 5881 power tubes at all? I'm not aware of many tone test comparissons between the two versions, I wonder how different they could actually be.

    • @SonicDriveStudio
      @SonicDriveStudio  6 місяців тому +1

      I have not but I doubt the difference would be very noticeable

    • @StompboxMods
      @StompboxMods 6 місяців тому +2

      Actually for me it was a night and day difference!!
      Just got around to exchanging my JJ 5881s for some JJ 6l6GC tubes 3 weeks ago. Here’s my personal experience using my PRS MT15. I have a modified 50 watt version equipped with with a Heyboer 4k transformer. I played at stage volumes using my stock PRS Custom 24 driving a Mesa 4x12 with vintage 30s date coded 4-18-2000. Testing just using my ears.
      Running 1/2 power. Presence at 1:00. Clean Volume: 11:00. Dirty volume: little past 9:00
      The 5881s across the board have a lot more forward mids a bit less compression. The low end is similar to the 6l6 for the cleans but not for the red channel. I love the 5881s for the clean channel. Most notably, a little louder/headroom, and more mid forward. Stiffer in tone. A little breakup in tone particularly on the treble pickup.
      The red channel is overly excessive in the mid-mids frequencies with 5881s. I could put the midrange knob at 0-9:00 but the tone becomes more choked back sounding and feel wise it felt like I was trying to bend telephone wire. With the mids at noon-1:00, I had tons of forward mids. Too harsh to the ears for me. Overall, the 5881s are more mid rangy/forward, less bass resonance. Can’t really dial in the low mid guttural rock/metal tones I’m hearing in my head.
      For the 6L6s: Holy shit what a night & day difference! Instantaneously, the feel totally changed on the amp for the better. Single notes don’t feel overly stiff. A little more compression across the spectrum and tons of low bass resonance! Cleans have airy, deep throaty lows, smoothed out mids, and clear bell like trebles. Think blackface Twin Reverb! Very airy and rich in tone. A little volume drop I noticed-I had to dial up the volume knob to about 1:00 but it’s no big deal still very loud. A little breakup in tone on the treble pickup.
      For the red channel, you can run everything at noon, gain at 10:00 and have the most heavy, modern Rectifier tone and then some! Massive tight bass response at 2:00. Mids at 1:00 have a perfect balance of scooped compression, but it still has a forward push in the mids without sounding harsh, spikey or overbearing. Trebles have brilliance and a tight sizzle but not harsh or shrill to the ear.
      It’s the “it”’factor especially for that signature Tremonti tone.
      Flipping over to full power on the back of the amp. Totally mind blowing HUGE TONE! 🤘🤘
      The 6L6 is what this amp needs if you’re chasing that heavy rock, guttural metal tone and everything in between. If you’re looking for the Tremonti tone, this is the tube. The 5881s don’t hold a candle to these.
      Team 6l6s!! You’ll never go back!!
      Hope this helps!!

  • @TheOtherJohnBrowne
    @TheOtherJohnBrowne 6 місяців тому +2

    I prefer the Kraken but the PRS wins in the bang for buck category

  • @GabrielGomes
    @GabrielGomes 6 місяців тому

    I really wish we could have the tabs to these riffs!

  • @rhysbooth4842
    @rhysbooth4842 6 місяців тому

    I love the kraken mk2 I really hope to own one someday. My dream rig is an evh 50w stealth into the left input of an engl vertical 212 with a kraken mk2 going into the right input and a 16ms 100% wet delay in the fx loop to emulate the sound of 2 guitars. I have a simular setup in my helix and it sounds phenomenal.

    • @Ryan_Q3L
      @Ryan_Q3L 6 місяців тому +1

      That one 212 cabinet can run two heads?

    • @MetalheadOv666
      @MetalheadOv666 6 місяців тому

      @@Ryan_Q3Lyes they make 212 cabs that are stereo. It’d be 16ohms mono or 8ohms stereo with a switch on the back

    • @Ryan_Q3L
      @Ryan_Q3L 6 місяців тому

      @@MetalheadOv666 That's really cool. I don't think I can do that with my Orange V212.

  • @felipelopes4376
    @felipelopes4376 6 місяців тому

    Being a 15 Watt amp with 6L6s makes the MT15 sort of an unicorn in its own right. That being Said the Kraken is kind of its own thing too. They're both pretty unique in their own way. Ideally, one wouldn't have to choose and have both :P I think the MT15 could be compared to those iconic JDM cars with those engines that were supposed to pump out less HP than they actually would output :P

  • @CS_Murphy_R9
    @CS_Murphy_R9 6 місяців тому

    I like the way they put "Pre Heat" on the power switch!🤣

  • @benbrandt3
    @benbrandt3 6 місяців тому +1

    Maybe it was just mine, but my MT15's gain control was insanely touchy and the feedback was completely unmanageable. I ditched it for an ENGL Ironball SE and never looked back.

  • @Benteparle
    @Benteparle 6 місяців тому

    I would be curious to hear the MT15 with a 10 bands eq in the loop.

  • @KaiDown
    @KaiDown 6 місяців тому

    Generally I preferred the Kraken, but once it got to the faster single note riffs, the MT15 had a little more articulation about it

  • @sheriewart8100
    @sheriewart8100 6 місяців тому +1

    Bang for the buck MT15 all the way

  • @d3adlym3rcy25
    @d3adlym3rcy25 6 місяців тому

    The MT15 was tighter, or from what i was hearing with those settings, not as mid present still good mid range

  • @Wyatt.D.Loiselle
    @Wyatt.D.Loiselle 6 місяців тому

    Not really sure if I can tell the difference on the cleans. The MT-15 sounded slightly less trebly... it sounded more alive I guess. Victory takes the cake for cruch/high gain sounds though...

  • @DerSilvano
    @DerSilvano 6 місяців тому

    8:00 I was like "Yeah, it'll sound like a tiny Lunchbox amp..." BAMM
    I was wrong

  • @DimKAt21
    @DimKAt21 6 місяців тому +2

    Haven't watched the video yet, but in my village I can buy an MT, an analog "crunchy" preamp pedal a 2x12 cabinet and a barrel of high quality pale ale for the price of a Kraken. No comparison for me, PRS wins... Fatality!

    • @JohnWiku
      @JohnWiku 6 місяців тому

      Victory is overpriced, but ain't made in china or somewhere else with cheap labour.

    • @rferguson3
      @rferguson3 2 місяці тому

      Ha! I fkn love this comment 😂

    • @rferguson3
      @rferguson3 2 місяці тому

      And I’m torn between the MT, Invective MH & the 6505 Mini whatever it’s called. Prob just gonna say fuck em all & cop me a full blown 120 Invective. What an incredible & brilliantly designed, well thought out amp 🤌🏼

  • @XiyuYang
    @XiyuYang 6 місяців тому

    Wow! Both sound gorgeous but the Kraken sound fuller to me. Then again it's your demo, you can plug into a potato and crank out amazing tunes.

  • @davidelizalde3844
    @davidelizalde3844 6 місяців тому +1

    mt15 ftw

  • @coreyclark6505
    @coreyclark6505 6 місяців тому

    MT15 is a helluva amp... but it sounds more boomy and hollow here. Kraken is just a special amp IMO. Even V1 was crazy good.

  • @s.r.b.4582
    @s.r.b.4582 6 місяців тому +1

    I think the Victory is better in a band situation, and maybe easier to mix : less boomy bass frequencies

  • @more_me_than_I_am
    @more_me_than_I_am 16 днів тому

    The Kraken sounds more saturated and punch. I want one!!!

  • @NickySayahSina
    @NickySayahSina 6 місяців тому

    How dare you not prefer my MT 15?!? In all seriousness, I really like the MT15 as a pedal platform through the clean channel. The lead channel varies from day to day; some days I really enough it, some days not, but it's kind of it's own thing, which is cool. I am currently playing through an NRG Nuclide right now and exploring it's 6 modes; it's been interesting to say the least.

  • @metl_massacre
    @metl_massacre 5 місяців тому

    I have an 8ohm Mesa 2x12 rectifier cab. Do you know if the MT15 is compatible with that impedance?

  • @Sugman123
    @Sugman123 6 місяців тому +1

    The Kraken seems to have more of a "Marshall" mid grainy character whereas the PRS one seems to sound kind of a 5150 scooped style amp aside from its own thing. The more I listen to these kind of comparisons, also noodling with plugins with both styles, the more I see the first ones tend to sit better on mixes. The latter doesn't that much unless you mix amps or really like that scooped sound, but they sound better when playing alone in front of them without that harsh amount of mids. I own the first version of the Kraken and the amp sounds "harsh/raw" (I'd say, it's an acquired taste) unless you scoop its mids, but I'm pretty sure it would sit amazing on a mix without scooping them.

    • @LuxTheSlav
      @LuxTheSlav 6 місяців тому +1

      The Kraken's Clean/Gain I are based on a Marshall (JVM410H I believe) and Gain II is based on a 5150 so the Marshally character that comes through in the cleans and crunches makes perfect sense.
      I do think the MT15 is a lot more Mesa Boogie-ish than 5150ish though. Calling the 5150 scooped is insane to me. It can be scooped I guess. If you turn the mids down to 0...
      It makes sense to me that the Kraken would sit well in mixes made for reviews, because they're made to emphasise the guitar, but if you bring vocals into the mix (pun intended), the scoop comes in handy to leave some room for them.

    • @Sugman123
      @Sugman123 6 місяців тому

      @@LuxTheSlav Yeah, just as you said, gain 1 is based on some kind of Marshall amp and gain 2 is based on a 5150 (dunno which channel). I've only played it on low volume in my room, so it may behave differently with it's volume cranked up. So far I like gain 1 (about 4 o'clock) and boosted with a BOSS SD-1. Gain 2 is cool, but BOSS SD-1 makes it so damn fizzy. Since I don't own another overdrive (Maxon, TS, whatever) I haven't had the opportunity to boost it with a classic tubescreamer, it may work better.

  • @pb25193
    @pb25193 6 місяців тому

    Damn bro i need the tabs for that riff. Is that a famous song?

  • @lowtunedg9211
    @lowtunedg9211 6 місяців тому +5

    Considering the price, the PRS is a no brainer

  • @hughwphamill
    @hughwphamill 6 місяців тому

    Whenever we've got you laying down epic riffage who wins? We all do!

  • @Fishtank186k
    @Fishtank186k 6 місяців тому

    Kraken… now can you do Kraken vs SLO 30 🙏 pretty please?

  • @garnine999
    @garnine999 6 місяців тому

    Can you do a video of the new revv G50 vs the new kraken??? Thats what im waiting for. As i was waiting for this video cause i own an mt15 and want to buy either the kraken mk2 or revv g50

  • @KreativeDevices
    @KreativeDevices 6 місяців тому

    🔥

  • @Folk661
    @Folk661 День тому

    Kraken for the win

  • @joeywilder9708
    @joeywilder9708 6 місяців тому

    You thought about trying the MT100?

  • @nick3f
    @nick3f 6 місяців тому

    PRS all the way ❤

  • @janosmaiden8219
    @janosmaiden8219 6 місяців тому

    This just goes to show that anyone who bought an MT-15 can't be disappointed with their purchase. Me included!

  • @endtimeguitarist
    @endtimeguitarist 6 місяців тому

    Bogner Helios eclipse and bogner atma vs Marshall plexi and kraken mini

  • @scottykomer9992
    @scottykomer9992 6 місяців тому

    What ML drums are you using? The ride is particularly nice

    • @SonicDriveStudio
      @SonicDriveStudio  6 місяців тому +1

      I made a custom kit and I did a video about it recently. It's called something like "Meet my new drummer"

  • @ponsiopilatos5179
    @ponsiopilatos5179 6 місяців тому

    I own a Kraken mk1 and it is an amplifier that sounds very good (I love its dynamics), but I think it's very dark and misses a presence control or a greater treble range. I solve it with a graphic EQ for the loop, but it's a hassle. Is it very complicated to make a mod and install a switch (I don't even ask for a potentiometer)? 🤔

  • @archery171093
    @archery171093 6 місяців тому

    Hi ! I have a very specific question : what shelf do you use for your amp heads ? I'm building my home studio I'm looking for something tough ;) thx !

  • @johndesrosier1672
    @johndesrosier1672 6 місяців тому

    I prefer the Victory tones over the PRS, however I noticed you used 2 different guitars.the have different pickups, 1 being passive and 1 being active. How are we supposed to know if it's the guitar or the amp?

    • @alexwood8555
      @alexwood8555 6 місяців тому

      The guitars were only switched during clean/crunch. Its the amp.

  • @OMEGAAMPWORKS
    @OMEGAAMPWORKS 6 місяців тому +2

    I think e need to mod an MT15 for you to compare. New output transformer brings power to almost 40w and makes a huge difference in tonality and musicality

  • @peterschaefer1665
    @peterschaefer1665 6 місяців тому +1

    They sound almost identical. Why pay 3 times the money for the Victory?

  • @thewrit6946
    @thewrit6946 6 місяців тому

    They sound crunchy because that’s where I keep all of my snacks. Chips, carrots, peanuts etc…

  • @jackvai2681
    @jackvai2681 6 місяців тому +1

    RELEASE THE KRAKEN!

  • @blackmagic8039
    @blackmagic8039 6 місяців тому

    Kraken more natural organic tone

  • @Margilio5150
    @Margilio5150 6 місяців тому +1

    I don’t need an MT15… I don’t need an MT15 amp 😢

  • @CS_Murphy_R9
    @CS_Murphy_R9 6 місяців тому

    Love the kraken amp tone wise but really dislike that logo badge to the left side! Makes the Amp look goofy!😴

  • @JoelCSabo
    @JoelCSabo 6 місяців тому

    Have you plugged the V4 Kraken Preamp on your shelf into the Kraken MkII head and compared them yet? I'd hate to have missed such a thing.
    -Joel

  • @DarkStoneCastle
    @DarkStoneCastle 6 місяців тому

    PSR MT15 sounded better to me.

  • @rhysbooth4842
    @rhysbooth4842 6 місяців тому

    Wooh first comment 🎉

  • @jconner3891
    @jconner3891 6 місяців тому

    I can’t handle no shell on amps. That’s just me.

  • @fastboy_guitars
    @fastboy_guitars 6 місяців тому

    The PRS by a mile. The kraken is too nasal. It sounds like a 5150 that’s caught a cold.

  • @fgtw4756
    @fgtw4756 6 місяців тому

    Who write the comment about PRS is better, totally deaf, or absolutely don’t understand what is the structure guitar tube amp sound! For this price range maybe it’s ok, but… you need good tube amp sound and good quality components, or good price? 😂😂😂

    • @ShreddingSwords
      @ShreddingSwords 6 місяців тому +1

      Thats the people talking that own the MT15 ofcourse.

  • @ChristopherOrz
    @ChristopherOrz 6 місяців тому +3

    Victory doesn't sound 700$ better :D

    • @SonicDriveStudio
      @SonicDriveStudio  6 місяців тому +3

      It's not just about the sound. It has more features and it's quite a bit louder. Plus it's made in the UK. So those are also things to consider. But sound wise it's highly subjective of course

    • @gabrielstevens41
      @gabrielstevens41 6 місяців тому +1

      @SonicDriveStudio how loud did you have them? I don't think I ever got past 9 or 10 o'clock on my MT15 with my full band and we're loud as hell. It easily holds up with my 50 watt JCM clone and Peavey Ultra.

    • @ChristopherOrz
      @ChristopherOrz 6 місяців тому

      @@gabrielstevens41 in case of MT15 the wattage is cleary misleading because of tubes used and the construction - even tho it's rated as 15W it's more like 30-40 soundwise

    • @gabrielstevens41
      @gabrielstevens41 6 місяців тому +1

      @ChristopherOrz yeah I've heard it's under rated and I also have seen guys mod it to a true 50 watter with a new output transformer. It's a beast of a little amp. I've lent mine out at the moment but this video made me either want to get it back or by a second one.

  • @kevinc8554
    @kevinc8554 6 місяців тому

    早期美产的PRS执政官才真是好东西,你真的应该收藏一台。

  • @WHguitar86
    @WHguitar86 6 місяців тому

    mk2 > mt

  • @rudemood69
    @rudemood69 3 місяці тому

    can someone just do a test in standard tuning. just a 5 minute one