it's a bug, a very inconsistent one, where chargers lose their armor rating on their leg armor either by default or after doing certain actions. Devs have confirmed this and will fix it, but they'll be tweaking down the HP and spawn rate of elites, includign them I believe.
Then please, don't post a video calling it OP. That's like blasting the flare gun, then saying "just kidding, don't do nothin" when people sprint towards you.
@mclovin2408 just like buffing everything to oblivion isn't the answer, nerfing everything to the ground also isn't the answer. In game design, the "meta" is the objectively better choice or choices, key word being choices, that most players pick. The devs stated they want players to chose whatever they want and have fun. The problem with nerfing/buffing the weapons right now is that the underlying problem isn't being fixed - WHY are players choosing it? We see in every example that people post on YT, Discord and Reddit that the first thing people look for in weapons is how to take out Chargers, which objectively are the biggest problem enemy, with the CEO on Twitter confirming this. I think the game itself will be in a much better state if people stopped looking for buffs and nerfs to weapons, and start looking at the enemies and the (very recent) egregious spawn rate and reinforcement rate that was stealth added in the newest patch. The Laser Canon is serving its purpose well, what wasn't talked enough about in this video is how quickly the laser can overheat, and if you only have 1 extra heat sink, then it'll be a problem on solo on difficulties above 5, especially against bugs. What balances this weapon in relation to others is that you HAVE to manage your resource carefully, as letting the gun overheat will ruin your plans until you can swap it out. Again, the "meta" the devs want is for multiple good choices, and so far, the autocanon, the improved flamethrower, and even the Railgun post patch are now roughly equal depending on the circumstances. I know I still rock the autocanon, but sometimes I switch to the Flamethrower with bugs, or the Railgun/Laser Cannon against Bots. The changes made in the patch brought the top performers and lower performers a bit closer together. The Laser isn't OP at all.
tl;dr The meta will always be there, the players just wanted a single loadout while the devs wanted the vast majority of options to be as equal as possible. Most assume "meta" is one single thing, and it's not always the case, especially in PvE. Think of L4D/2 for example - multiple good guns. Just nerf/change the reason WHY people used prepatch railgun.
The way to kill a charger with a railgun with unsafe mode is to strike one of the legs until the armor is broken, then you shoot that part until it dies.
@@TyphusVonElder The stratagem still does its job. It's just not as brain dead as before. And one Dev pointed this fact out. The community got in their feelings like a bunch of women. Get out there and actually use the damn weapon. Literally one more shot to the leg strips the armor and then you can pull out your pistol and finish the charger off. Lord forbid you guys have to put one more shot into the leg
@@MajeedBelle Nah owner agrees with us, Dev was wrong and out of line. bruh let me just prove you wrong right now, First off they hide the states of all weapons because they "dont want min/max" just use what you like. OKay can i test the weapons and see the damage they do so im not wasting my time? AH-NO! that would allow you to see which guns are better. -But they are all suppose to have purpose right? AH-Yeah but rely on stratagems. -But then why do you have 150% cooldown on Helldive missions? AH-UhUHUHUH because you have to plan for it before going.. -Okay gonna go solo, and do only objective on Helldive, clear it in 10 mins or 15 if farming supers, then go back to 6 to farm commons. AH-NOOOO dont do that, because then you arent contributing to liberation. -I still solo Helldive complete main obj and have it set to friends only. AH-NOOO set to public and play with other players. -No because they are trash and waste reinforcement call ins. So im gonna go Solo or play only with friends. YOU-Meta players are the problem!!! REEEEEEE!!! -No, i use sentry build for fun, or jet pack and just farm bugs and finish the main objectives. AH-OH YEAH? Then we will patch it to now have enemies spawn anywhere regardless of bases destroyed and punish the player once they get to the objective so YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM. Nah i will just kite everything and let the extraction timer run out so i can extract while sitting on this rock with my jump pack away from the enemy
Yeah even though I like the dominator a bit more than the scythe, having a scython and then you add the orbital laser in an orbital rail cannon if you could squeeze it and you really are just sprouting lasers everywhere
One thing I've noticed is that the ICE pack seems to explosively shoot out of the Laser Cannon if you max it out. I think that implies that it has the potential of either exploding or being permanently melted, hence the need to change it out.
For the railgun I feel like they should have made it just break and strip armor then do no real damage by penetration. Maybe we will get an AP variant.
Glad you've been enjoying the laser cannon as well! I hope this comment finds you because there are two stratagems that when combined with the laser cannon turn automaton heavy/elite patrols into butter melting competitions. Next time you take the lascannon try taking EMS orbital strike and/or EMS mortar. It literally trivializes all but the tanks and the orbital has a tiny cool down and enough of a radius to shut down just about any squad, elite, heavy or dropship squad minus tanks while keeping the player insanely ammo efficient because well... the laser cannon doesn't use any in the right hands. Yes, you technically don't need these stratagems to kill these things with the laser cannon (as you have demonstrated) but even with the improved ergonomics I think many players probably find the weapon too stationary and difficult to focus the beam on small weak points like the hulks front eye slot where something like... the AC or railgun is a lot more forgiving. Thanks for the great video! I'm so glad more people are discovering this heavily overlooked weapon!
Laser cannon definitely doesn't need a nerf. For common robots and devastators the Sickle is better, because it has lower weapon sway, and a MUCH better scope. It can deal with Hulks, Tanks, Gunships and enplacements (cannon, mortar), but you have to aim and position well, and it can't do anything about dropships, and fabricators. Most of the other support weapons, it competes with, can deal with these threats aswell. With the laser cannon you also have to keep firing at the enemy to deal damage which will attract the attention of the other enemies and they can shoot back at you. For example with the Quasar you can charge up a shot, and step out/stand up in the last moment, so you don't have to be constantly in line of sight. Also you don't agro enemies that don't see you when you charge up a shot with the Quasar. Overall I like the Laser cannon, and I don't think it needs a nerf, because it definitely has it's drawbacks and you need to position well to fully utilize it.
people are mad about not having anything reliable to deal with armor in cqc which is 90 percent of helldive people saying skill issues have actual issues IRL
Huh, the range looks pretty insane, laser cannon actually works great on chargers even without breaking the armor, actually breaks their butt fairly well just have to wait for them to bleed out afterwards I guess, and their behavior is almost as buggy as the spawnrate now, sometimes they can keep charging after a full u-turn.
I was okay with the railgun nerf just from the perspective of forcing you in a way to use other things sometimes in order to shake up stratagem load out viability, but I personally hope they give it a little bit of a buff to give it at least some sort of niche to make it situationally most prefered. I have been having a blast using all sorts of other support weapons, so much so that using the railgun now feels pretty bad in almost all situations. I hope they buff some aspect of it once again like maybe it's damage, reload speed, charge speed, or even slightly buff the armor penetration they nerfed previously.
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For bots max difficulty, the newly buffed punisher and the redeemer autopistol. Now I can't make up my mind yet for bugs, haven't found the right combo yet for me lol
slug with auto pistol is a good combo, you can even open supply doors with the slugger by just shooting it, it also can now carry 60 shells@@salvofiasco2498
In hell dives, how am I supposed to kill 9 bile titans with my team even if I go all in on heavy strikes. 3 rocket pods, 2 500kg, and a rail cannon strike, and even a laser, I can only kill 5-6 of them. That’s assuming I use everything perfectly and there is no chargers
If you can kill 5-6 of them, that means you don’t even need your whole team to participate to clear those 9 titans, which would only spawn if you stay in one spot for an extended period (so rarely if you blast and move, focusing on objectives). Correct?
anyone know how to kill striders (at-sts) best when running the laser cannon? i usually run autocannon bc it ices them no problem but theyre an issue with laser
@@fajarsantoso4399 that's usually how I do it but it takes way too long, and its around a third of your battery for one strider. wonder if targeting the legs is faster. nowadays I always run scorcher for bots which kills striders in 2-3 hits to the front.
Nope, right now people are running with a ton of different things. Some people are saying flamethrower meta, some are saying arc meta, some are saying laser, meta and now mech meta, and some are still running railgun just fine. You know what that means? That the balance patch worked and actually pushed people to try more things.... Almost like there was no reason to cry about your precious solve all build.
@@F34RDSoldier805 true. because everything equally sucks now. Well done. If that was the point of that idiotic patch, you got it. But stay tuned, a new "free" (premium) battlepass is coming. With new weapons and armor. Some of them "free" weapons will be new meta. Wanna bet?
@@sethael1741 if something actually requires skill to destroy everything on highest difficulty, that doesn't mean it is suck. I've seen videos of people, where they beat 9 difficulty solo with flamethrower after the patch. And then with railgun. So, it's still doable, if you are actually good at the game. Before the patch every brainless idiot with 0 knowledge of how the game works (besides that charges should be shouted to the legs, of course) could beat it with railgun. Which is bad balance. And now only good players can do it plus they can do it multiple different ways. Which is good balance. The highest difficulty must be actually hard
Laser chargers in back legs, the knee specifically. Kills em in like 6 seconds
cap
Yup
@@oofieodyssey4349 not cap
Used to be a charger til I took a railgun to the knee
it's a bug, a very inconsistent one, where chargers lose their armor rating on their leg armor either by default or after doing certain actions. Devs have confirmed this and will fix it, but they'll be tweaking down the HP and spawn rate of elites, includign them I believe.
Please don't nerf the laser cannon devs
It's good, but the unlimited ammo is too much.
Then please, don't post a video calling it OP.
That's like blasting the flare gun, then saying "just kidding, don't do nothin" when people sprint towards you.
They need to nerf it, I’m tired of the meta nonsense it has no place in our democracy.
@mclovin2408 just like buffing everything to oblivion isn't the answer, nerfing everything to the ground also isn't the answer.
In game design, the "meta" is the objectively better choice or choices, key word being choices, that most players pick. The devs stated they want players to chose whatever they want and have fun.
The problem with nerfing/buffing the weapons right now is that the underlying problem isn't being fixed - WHY are players choosing it? We see in every example that people post on YT, Discord and Reddit that the first thing people look for in weapons is how to take out Chargers, which objectively are the biggest problem enemy, with the CEO on Twitter confirming this. I think the game itself will be in a much better state if people stopped looking for buffs and nerfs to weapons, and start looking at the enemies and the (very recent) egregious spawn rate and reinforcement rate that was stealth added in the newest patch.
The Laser Canon is serving its purpose well, what wasn't talked enough about in this video is how quickly the laser can overheat, and if you only have 1 extra heat sink, then it'll be a problem on solo on difficulties above 5, especially against bugs. What balances this weapon in relation to others is that you HAVE to manage your resource carefully, as letting the gun overheat will ruin your plans until you can swap it out.
Again, the "meta" the devs want is for multiple good choices, and so far, the autocanon, the improved flamethrower, and even the Railgun post patch are now roughly equal depending on the circumstances. I know I still rock the autocanon, but sometimes I switch to the Flamethrower with bugs, or the Railgun/Laser Cannon against Bots. The changes made in the patch brought the top performers and lower performers a bit closer together. The Laser isn't OP at all.
tl;dr
The meta will always be there, the players just wanted a single loadout while the devs wanted the vast majority of options to be as equal as possible. Most assume "meta" is one single thing, and it's not always the case, especially in PvE. Think of L4D/2 for example - multiple good guns. Just nerf/change the reason WHY people used prepatch railgun.
There needs to be a suit of armor that is fireproof....
Then I could stop killing my team with the flame breaker
As with the Arc sets, 95% damage resist.
Laser Cannon is available at lower level too, so more people can help in higher difficulty mission's too
4:00 You killed the Autobots?! I knew it! You're a Decepticon!
1:35 that minecraft sizzle lmao 😂
The way to kill a charger with a railgun with unsafe mode is to strike one of the legs until the armor is broken, then you shoot that part until it dies.
The exact same way to kill the charger with the railgun before the Nerf. Imagine that
@@MajeedBelle devs said primary guns arent suppose to clear waves or armored enemies, your stratagems are....then nerfs stratagems
@@MajeedBelle Yeah I was just pointing it out because he was wasting shots at the Charger for no reason
@@TyphusVonElder The stratagem still does its job. It's just not as brain dead as before.
And one Dev pointed this fact out. The community got in their feelings like a bunch of women. Get out there and actually use the damn weapon. Literally one more shot to the leg strips the armor and then you can pull out your pistol and finish the charger off.
Lord forbid you guys have to put one more shot into the leg
@@MajeedBelle Nah owner agrees with us, Dev was wrong and out of line. bruh let me just prove you wrong right now, First off they hide the states of all weapons because they "dont want min/max" just use what you like. OKay can i test the weapons and see the damage they do so im not wasting my time?
AH-NO! that would allow you to see which guns are better.
-But they are all suppose to have purpose right?
AH-Yeah but rely on stratagems.
-But then why do you have 150% cooldown on Helldive missions?
AH-UhUHUHUH because you have to plan for it before going..
-Okay gonna go solo, and do only objective on Helldive, clear it in 10 mins or 15 if farming supers, then go back to 6 to farm commons.
AH-NOOOO dont do that, because then you arent contributing to liberation.
-I still solo Helldive complete main obj and have it set to friends only.
AH-NOOO set to public and play with other players.
-No because they are trash and waste reinforcement call ins. So im gonna go Solo or play only with friends.
YOU-Meta players are the problem!!! REEEEEEE!!!
-No, i use sentry build for fun, or jet pack and just farm bugs and finish the main objectives.
AH-OH YEAH? Then we will patch it to now have enemies spawn anywhere regardless of bases destroyed and punish the player once they get to the objective so YOU HAVE TO HAVE A TEAM.
Nah i will just kite everything and let the extraction timer run out so i can extract while sitting on this rock with my jump pack away from the enemy
I use the scythe and laz rover with laser cannon 😂. I’m like laser spewing death machine
That actually sounds brilliant I'm gonna check it out lol
Soon we will have laser pistol too.
Beams go burr
Running pure lasers sounds amazing 👏 😂❤
@@salvofiasco2498 Point, Beam, Boom.
Yeah even though I like the dominator a bit more than the scythe, having a scython and then you add the orbital laser in an orbital rail cannon if you could squeeze it and you really are just sprouting lasers everywhere
It's not battery it's some sort of cooling pack, when you reload an energy weapon your characters sometimes say "changing ice!"
I always thought ICE was short for something like internal combustion engine or something, now i just realized maybe it's just ice as in 🧊 😂
One thing I've noticed is that the ICE pack seems to explosively shoot out of the Laser Cannon if you max it out. I think that implies that it has the potential of either exploding or being permanently melted, hence the need to change it out.
Point, Beam, Boom.
Nice TShirt Idea
For the railgun I feel like they should have made it just break and strip armor then do no real damage by penetration. Maybe we will get an AP variant.
I think they are going to add a thermite nade that strips armor. Railgun is supposed to be about pen. That is what railguns naturally are for are.
@@F34RDSoldier805 yea that thermite guna be super handy for armor, also that crossbow weapon in the new warbond sounds tanky as well
Your editing is great in this.
Chris griffin plays helldivers 2😂
Love the video!
Glad you've been enjoying the laser cannon as well! I hope this comment finds you because there are two stratagems that when combined with the laser cannon turn automaton heavy/elite patrols into butter melting competitions.
Next time you take the lascannon try taking EMS orbital strike and/or EMS mortar. It literally trivializes all but the tanks and the orbital has a tiny cool down and enough of a radius to shut down just about any squad, elite, heavy or dropship squad minus tanks while keeping the player insanely ammo efficient because well... the laser cannon doesn't use any in the right hands.
Yes, you technically don't need these stratagems to kill these things with the laser cannon (as you have demonstrated) but even with the improved ergonomics I think many players probably find the weapon too stationary and difficult to focus the beam on small weak points like the hulks front eye slot where something like... the AC or railgun is a lot more forgiving.
Thanks for the great video! I'm so glad more people are discovering this heavily overlooked weapon!
thx for video. not many guys do video about it
I just started playing around with a laser cannon as a low level, great to see it's not only fun but useful at higher levels too! 😁
You earned a sub for the Kanye bit alone. Keep this up.
That's awesome. I'm going to experiment with aiming for the hulks arms. I have a feeling this puppy will disarm them fast
Aim for the arm to disarm, i like that
Abaout the rockets and big lasertowers: try using heavy armor with 50% anti-explosion dmg.. got hit directly and shruged id off like a champ 😅
The flame thrower is broken against chargers! It dies is less than 3 secs if you do direct damage to any legg
this man’s narrating is top tier. gained a sub big w for democracy
7:01 my thoughts exactly everytime I run this build 😂😂😂
Laser cannon definitely doesn't need a nerf.
For common robots and devastators the Sickle is better, because it has lower weapon sway, and a MUCH better scope.
It can deal with Hulks, Tanks, Gunships and enplacements (cannon, mortar), but you have to aim and position well, and it can't do anything about dropships, and fabricators. Most of the other support weapons, it competes with, can deal with these threats aswell.
With the laser cannon you also have to keep firing at the enemy to deal damage which will attract the attention of the other enemies and they can shoot back at you. For example with the Quasar you can charge up a shot, and step out/stand up in the last moment, so you don't have to be constantly in line of sight. Also you don't agro enemies that don't see you when you charge up a shot with the Quasar.
Overall I like the Laser cannon, and I don't think it needs a nerf, because it definitely has it's drawbacks and you need to position well to fully utilize it.
The Randy Marsh hot hot gmfu 🤣 1:55
people are mad about not having anything reliable to deal with armor in cqc which is 90 percent of helldive
people saying skill issues have actual issues IRL
Ikr!
true 😂
Nice. Now make one about the mech
0:40 had me dying bro, good edit😂😂
Huh, the range looks pretty insane, laser cannon actually works great on chargers even without breaking the armor, actually breaks their butt fairly well just have to wait for them to bleed out afterwards I guess, and their behavior is almost as buggy as the spawnrate now, sometimes they can keep charging after a full u-turn.
Love Guile’s theme.
I was okay with the railgun nerf just from the perspective of forcing you in a way to use other things sometimes in order to shake up stratagem load out viability, but I personally hope they give it a little bit of a buff to give it at least some sort of niche to make it situationally most prefered. I have been having a blast using all sorts of other support weapons, so much so that using the railgun now feels pretty bad in almost all situations. I hope they buff some aspect of it once again like maybe it's damage, reload speed, charge speed, or even slightly buff the armor penetration they nerfed previously.
This video was actually really funny 😆
Yes enjoying the LS 🫡👍
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2 impact grenades take out tanks if you hit the vent.
Lets go
But muh rheilghun!!1111
I swear some people are just as flexible as something that is completely inflexible.
What main/secondary guns are you running now?
For bots max difficulty, the newly buffed punisher and the redeemer autopistol.
Now I can't make up my mind yet for bugs, haven't found the right combo yet for me lol
slug with auto pistol is a good combo, you can even open supply doors with the slugger by just shooting it, it also can now carry 60 shells@@salvofiasco2498
I think the punisher just lacks range a bit even though it has damage, but then again it is a shotgun
Try the slugger
I still run the breaker but it feels so different. The fire version isn't that good after like difficulty 6
Railgun is even better against chargers now. 3 measly headshots on unsafe mode and it dies :D
I love your editing 😂
been using laser cannon since before the patch, and the buff is palpable
IT EXPLOOODED
💥🤯
Oh yea they’re going to nerf anything that could be considered good in any way.
People need to stop caring about "meta" in this game and just have fun
People still kick me for using the laser cannon lmao
I poop, when I poop you poop we poop
ur suppposed to shoot the chargers in the leg twice with the railgun....never the face or body
In hell dives, how am I supposed to kill 9 bile titans with my team even if I go all in on heavy strikes. 3 rocket pods, 2 500kg, and a rail cannon strike, and even a laser, I can only kill 5-6 of them. That’s assuming I use everything perfectly and there is no chargers
You're not. The spawn rates and density right now is not intentional.
If you can kill 5-6 of them, that means you don’t even need your whole team to participate to clear those 9 titans, which would only spawn if you stay in one spot for an extended period (so rarely if you blast and move, focusing on objectives). Correct?
Ngl, I'm making a hot hot hot hot as I'm watching this.
anyone know how to kill striders (at-sts) best when running the laser cannon? i usually run autocannon bc it ices them no problem but theyre an issue with laser
Point at the walker head / shield part like 2-3 seconds and it crumbles
@@fajarsantoso4399 that's usually how I do it but it takes way too long, and its around a third of your battery for one strider. wonder if targeting the legs is faster. nowadays I always run scorcher for bots which kills striders in 2-3 hits to the front.
targeting legs is faster if you hit the leg joint right below the cockpit
omg i loooooooooove sweaty meta videos in PVE!!!111!!1!!1!!1!11!!!!1!1!!
HELLLLLLL YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Just use 110 rocket pods
Arc throwers still better than
What is this, laser canon propaganda? I love it
Uh new meta. And its fun. Nerf it fast!
Yeah, it's fun, lets players to be creative and requires skill and understanding of game's mechanics. Unlike old railgun meta
Nope, right now people are running with a ton of different things. Some people are saying flamethrower meta, some are saying arc meta, some are saying laser, meta and now mech meta, and some are still running railgun just fine. You know what that means? That the balance patch worked and actually pushed people to try more things.... Almost like there was no reason to cry about your precious solve all build.
@@F34RDSoldier805 finally reasonable opinion
@@F34RDSoldier805 true. because everything equally sucks now. Well done. If that was the point of that idiotic patch, you got it. But stay tuned, a new "free" (premium) battlepass is coming. With new weapons and armor. Some of them "free" weapons will be new meta. Wanna bet?
@@sethael1741 if something actually requires skill to destroy everything on highest difficulty, that doesn't mean it is suck. I've seen videos of people, where they beat 9 difficulty solo with flamethrower after the patch. And then with railgun. So, it's still doable, if you are actually good at the game. Before the patch every brainless idiot with 0 knowledge of how the game works (besides that charges should be shouted to the legs, of course) could beat it with railgun. Which is bad balance. And now only good players can do it plus they can do it multiple different ways. Which is good balance. The highest difficulty must be actually hard
i think its about time you meta couple of girls
Metas are cancer for a game.
Cap
about the chargers and rail gun just shoot one front leg 2 or 3 times and you should have a weak spot to kill it with normal guns
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