In a dialogue in the Lor Starcutter Magolor reveals to Kirby his dream of building an amusement park, and also says that he should start from something small like a shop, which is then what happens, he goes to the Kirby Clash dimention, plants the gem apple tree, earns enough money (also in the credits of Super Kirby Clash the last image shows Magolor in his normal pattern), he actually goes back to Dream Land after everything that happens in Super Kirby Clash and builds the amusement parks as a big "sorry" to Kirby
I didn't see Magolor's animation at the end as a regression, I figured it was him crying. He was shuddering, and then he wiped his tears away. Probably out of relief that he was alive, free from whatever the crown did to him, and able to escape that dimension.
i think magolor was crying because he lost his fruit (the gem apple) which he is shown reunited with in the credits so maybe he just thought he lost it.
I think he saw the Portal as his shot of a second chance, and when he realizes that, he began to cry, he was relieved and wholeheartedly accepts the change. As shown as he opens his arms out as he jumps into the portal
@Enderoem well elfilis came in a time the forgotten land wasnt so forgotten so maybe the master crown is what lead to the forgotten land becoming abandonded the master crown would most likely have to power to trancend space and time
One thing that always bothered me was in star allies that magolor could use the ultra sword even though he didn't have the master crown. The epilogue answered that question.
I always thought the reason LAndia was never controlled by the crown was because they had four heads, so the three heads not wearing the crown kept the crown in check. Edit 3/6/23: Well, apparently Landia EX's pause screen in the remake actually states that even they aren't 100% immune to the crowd's influence, so I guess I might have been mistaken.
Wow, that actually makes some sense. The Crown takes the soul of the wearer and influences there evil. But Landia (as in the single head that wears the crown). Is pure, and then the other three fuse with it, keeping the crown in check and suppressing it's influence
I thought landia used to power of the crown to keep the crown at bay hence why it doesnt turn landia into a dark beast like it does with magalor and the doomers but the multiple heads most likely helped aswell
The fact that in the final battle of Magolor epilogue, we see which look like egg engines in the past. That must mean that Halcandria was one of the planets that the ancients populated, however egg engines got destroyed by a meteor doomsday.
If I remember correctly, the Crowned Doomer's description mentioned Punishing magalor for using Kirby or something, so I kinda saw the doomers as Angels of sorts, possibly trying to stop magalor from escaping/Stopping Kirby from helping magalor
I like to think that the rampaging doomers and crowned doomer are special, and that they were trained by the ancients or something to guard the fruit fragments and potentially punish crimes for the ancients. Like an executioner, while the other doomers are just wild creatures that want to feed on energy.
@@MySnugglePuppy Probably used them by force, against their own will. There are doomer-looking entities in Another Dimension tho, Idk if they're related however
Ethereal Altar is called ‘Room of Eden’ in Japanese. I believe Magolor Epilogue is a reverse story of Paradice Lost. He gets expulsed from paradise (Lor) and drifts to a hellish non-realistic place(Eden). Then He obtains a Malus pumila and gets his (and maybe all the Halcandran's and the Master Crown's) original sin judged and atoned by the Malus Pumila. This is completely the opposite of Paradice lost, a story in which obtaining Malus pumila is the sin, gets expulsed from paradise (Eden), and drifts to hellish reality. Or maybe Magolor Epilogue isn't a story of his atonement at all and is exactly a story of paradise lost. He gets expulsed from paradise(main timeline) and maybe that's why nobody knows him in Kirby Clash. Sorry for my bad English!
@@chrisredfield11 Dark Metaknight is still trapped, marx is dead, magolor is in another dimension, susie is still working on conquering planets. The good ones could canonically appear in other games, but HAL said they don't want to mess with the storiline, dark metaknight will always be evil, and marx had never had the chanse to redeem itself. I remeber to you that this characters are from dlcs, the game its competable without them. Of course you have to know that all the arenas arren't canon.
My theory is that the master crown is housing none other than Dark Matter, a different form of it. This is because their are many other forms of Dark Matter that are even from different dimension, which can be seen with Dark Mind. And notice that the eye of the tree entity moves in a simaler pattern that Dark Matter does in Dream Land 2, that with the fact that it posseses Magolor's body and soul just like Dark Matter does to Dedede. Also when Magolor is whering the crown in the first phase of his fight, I like to imagen that the three claws on his head are drilling inside of him and slowly eating at his soul.
The master crown absolutely is a form of dark matter. The only proof you need is that in the soul form phase of the fight magolor has the dark matter eye in his mouth.
Another interesting bit is that nearly all of Magolor’s attacks during his fight are just his base abilities amplified up. The biggest power boost is that he can now open wormholes. So it may be that the crown (or the entity inside it) just boosts already existing power.
Even in the first game the crown was sentient. In the Demon Magolor phase, the one where he looks terrifying, you are not fighting Magolor, you're fighting the Master Crown that has his body as a host.
The Eye of the master crown in the Gem Apple Tree looks like one of the weakpoint eyes you see during the fight against void termina in Kirby star allies, so maybe during The Galactic Crisis part of termina prior to being sealed probably got part if its body sliced off and considering Termina can make a projection of the master crown in star allies would mean that Termina while whole actually made the crown from Return to Dreamland before being defeated by Galacta knight and the heros. Super Kirby Clash is actually a Sequel to Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and not a reboot, because in the 3ds version Taranza is the villain of the game and mind controls the monsters and summons King-D Mind from the Dark Mirror. After The 3ds Team Kirby defeats King-D-Mind a second time they sent King-D Mind back where he came from and the mirror shattered which made Tarzana turn good and come to his senses. In Super Kirby Clash Taranza is only evil in one fight because of Parallel Nightmare and after defeat he regains his sanity and mostly chills on the roof of the shoppe the rest of the game with a flower. Also King-D Mind was able to return because Parallel Nightmare used a portal to summon The Dark King because the mirror was destroyed in the 3ds version Also Theory: The Gem Apple Seed has the ability to create new alternate realities which would explain why Parallel Nightmare exists and The Dreamscape before the battle against Aeon Hero (Light) could be the birthplace of The Fountain of Dreams and Star Rod, but because it was in shambles before the start of The Aeon Hero (Light) fight, the Star Rod and Fountain most likely never existed. It would also explain Parallel Susie is the President of The Haltman Works Company instead of Haltman because Haltman probably actually died during the reactivation of Star Dream instead of Susie being sent to a dimension and surviving. It also explains the possibility of Dark Mind achieving his goals for conquering the Mirror world through most likely Shadow Dedede's Body. Galacta Knight was also never absorbed by the Butterfly because if The Fountain is broken the Star Rod was never made, then that means The Ancients were still together, because The Mage Sisters are relaxing at the village in the background instead of trying to revive Void Termina. Kirby is most likely a species with a population instead of being only one creature, because in Super Kirby Clash for Switch the town doesn't know about the player Kirby which means that The Team Kirby of Super Kirby Clash is a newer generation of the Kirby Species and The Team Kirby of the 3ds game is an older generation of heroes.
Here's what I think how the story goes. Return to Dream Land Deluxe was just a recap of what happened before Magolor Epilogue, then when we play as Magolor that's when the story is getting kinda weird. He went to Super Kirby Clash, somehow got back to the original universe and then now currently made a theme park which is Merry Magoland. It said that Merry Magoland was from a DIFFERENT time. So what I'm guessing is that Magolor working on his theme park is his current state rn. (Here's the story order on my theory.) Kirby's Return to Dream Land - Magolor Epilogue - Super Kirby Clash - Merry Magoland
My thoughts: * Great video * Great theories * Pretty sure RPG Monger mentioned that Void Termina summoned Master Crowns in Star Allies * Master Crown has an eye * Master Crown is connected to / a part of dark matter? * That one apocalyptic place could be forgotten land, halcandra, shiver Star, or somewhere new, but what is up with the building with the planet on top? Overall, great video :)
I think the reason Magolor may have a way back to dream land thanks to the gem apples, i mean In super kirby clash he only accepted gem apples and if the dream kingdom has a type of currency that isn't gem apples why would he sell armor for gem apples? To power him up, while collecting pieces of the gem apple seed magolor gets granted more of his strength, maybe when Magolor does with the gem apples is to find a way back to dreamland and apologize to Kirby
What if the merry magoland was build in the dream kingdom of kirby clash, seeing how kirby and his friends in this other dimension (don't forget that thanks to the descriptions of void, we know that kirby can exist in every dimension) don't know magolors past, so they trust him, being that gem apple merchant who equipt them with gear to safe their world
When you realize that the Dream Kingdom is this sort of half-canon, half not-canon copy dimension where Magolor is sent to begin anew... You also realize that he eventually had to make the choice between staying with his new "fake" friends who knew not of the atrocities he's committed, or returning to Dreamland and his real friends who he regretted stabbing in the hack. That probably hurts... A Lot.
For the confusion between the main plot and Magoland being an alternate dimension, it's hard to explain but I think it's 2011 Magolor from the original wii game who made the park. Thanks to the epiloge, we know what happens to the fella who falls into the dream kingdom dimension and gains his funds there (Through our pockets like the little gremlin he is) before returning to dreamland to make the place as a big apology. However, I believe due to not having enough experience in making dimensional rifts and the fact he doesn't have the Lor for pinpoint location, he ends up going to a point in time way before even crashing on Popstar, eventually for him to go "ah well" and build it anyway and letting it evolve into the area we see in the deluxe edition.
I don't think that city background during the fight with the master crown was the forgotten land because the forgotten land was once a human civilization that chose to leave their planet. W have already theorize the Halcandra was the home of the ancients thanks to Meteorz, but if you look closely at the background you can see some towers that are part of egg engines, farther proving that the ancients lived on halcandra until something bad happed to them.
I wonder if the other games after return to dreamland that was before the switch games will get the same treatment, triple deluxe getting a taranza epilogue and Robobot getting a Susie epilogue
I think that Magalor might have completely corrupted the Master Crown, fusing itself with the darkness within Magalors soul to create the evil Crown we see in Magalors epilogue. Magalor is essentially defeating the darkness within his soul in a sort of way. The Ancients might have created the Master Crown to be used by one of the 4 heroes to possibly take down and seal Void Termina as evidenced by it using a sort of project of the Master Crown in it's fight in Star Allies. Memories and emotion have always been a huge part of the Kirby series especially as of late, Void Termina again being a huge example of this as it uses the generals weapons for it's attacks (some other examples include Kirby using the power of love and friendship to befriend even his worst enemies, Haltmann influencing Star Dream with his want to mechanize planets, and Forgo holding onto it's hate for the inhabitants of the Forrgotten Land for possibly centuries.) All of this to say that I believe the Master Crown is based upon the the dreams, memories, and intentions of the wearer. The Ancients wanted to seal Void Termina? Done. Landia wanted to defend the Crown and Halcandra from evil? Done. Magalor wants unlimited power and to be the ruler of all the universe? Done. The only reason those last two failed was because Kirby was there, but even still Magalor came scarily close to destroying Popstar and the rest of the universe. The Crown was infested by Magalors own dark desires, corrupting Magalors body and becoming a near unstoppable force of pure evil. TL;DR: The Master Crown is influenced by emotions and intent which is why it becomes evil
Wouldn't it be crazy if Magalor's fight with the corrupted tree at the end was in the forgotten land. During Kirby's fight with Elfilis, wether it's the normal fight or the colosseum fight, but the fight was intercepted by Elfilis creating a bunch of portals.
When you first enter merry magoland i think it says that that magalor in merry magoland comes from a different dimension and different time so maybe that means that the magolor we saved in kirbys return to dreamland on the wii did build the amusement park and the magolor we saved on switch just got a different ending where he ended up in a different world(the dream world) thats what i think atleast
I’m pretty sure that the place in the background of the final battle is egg engines, since we see that it was partially destroyed during the main story events. Perhaps an evil force attacked egg engines, and that same force was the sealed evil in the crown. It makes sense that the past egg engines would be similar to the forgotten land if they really were made by the same ancients, as both games imply. I also think that after the evil was sealed away, the ancients evacuated to other places since halcandra seemed too unsafe of a place to live anymore. Maybe they even moved to pop star, or possibly shiver star as well.
I remember a theory saying when you fight the Master crown it was likely a ruined egg engines in halcandra. It was likely since this was Halcandra in the past when Magolor attacked. While I don’t know if it’s true, I think it’s likely given a lot of these dimensions are based on memories and events that were done in the past.
the five Magolor epilogue bosses are remakes of the five bosses that are holding part spheres in main mode. in my playthrough of the epilogue i thought they (Nintendo) forgot to put in a Whispy Woods remake but they actually just made him the final boss.
the bosses are: Mr. dooter, remade into electricky dooter , fatty puffer, remade into fiery puffer, goriath, remade into hydriath, grand doomer, remade into rampaging doomers, and whispy woods, remade into master crown.
The fact that he decides to take on a new role as the shope really makes me wonder if those games, or at least one of them, is actually Canon at least in some strange way, considering that the kirby subgames like these usually aren’t.
So, one of directors of KATFL, said that after KRTDL events, Magolor started to live em Dream Land, and i think that Mags passed a lot of years isolated and one day he Appeared in SA as a friend, for help Kirby, and now he build a park for apologize (SORRY FOR BAD ENG I'M NOT AMERICAN LOL)
maybe the ancient use a shpere doomer to create the master crown own thing stable enough to let use someone use the crown or make it corrupting itself.
I know I already commented, but you missed the fact that the dream kingdom is an alternate reality, and super clash isn’t a sequel to clash deluxe since nobody seems to remember that plot. Also, if I had to guess, magolor spent all those gem apples on materials and some sort of dimensional gate allowing him access to the main timeline. Also Nintendo didn’t make kirby, HAL laboratory did.
If you fight Metal General or play the first Egg Engine stage, take a good look at the background. You can see the building looking plane control tower from the master crown fight being crudely rebuilt and the saturn looking figure being reused on another tower. I am completely positive that the fight displays the past destruction of Halcandra. The fact that the architecture style looks so similar to the forgotten land adds more credibility to the theory that the former inhabitants of the forgotten land are the ancients and populated Halcandra
i always figured sphere doomers are just normal doomers (enemies from the landia shoot-em-up section native to Another Dimension) that ate the gear spheres, or whatever they're called, and powered up. and that the rampaging ones from the epilogue were just taken over by remenants of the master crown.
The Master Crown is Dark Matter. We have had Dark Matter fights in the Kirby series before. Like Dedede being possessed by Dark Matter and others being possessed as well. In Kirby 64 the crystal shards dark matter appears as a villain. Not only that but Magolor's final phase in his fight shows dark matters appearance as it always has been. A dark circle with 1 Red Eye. Exactly what we see with dark matter.
i think that the kirby clash games are in another dimension with their own kirby just like the mirror dimension has its own kirby, and we know thanks to the pause screen of Void (all of them) that he is a multi dimensional being that exists in ALL dimensions, and that kirby , like Zero, is an incarnation of Void, just made with Positive energy . My guess is that after the epilogue magolor was sent to another dimension, the Kirby clash Dimension, and for super kirby clash he re-intros him self cause normal Kirby clash hes in the main city, SKC takes place in the same place just in a port town of the dream kingdom. also the Boss against Master crown (this is my head cannon dont blast me please) takes place in a pre landia Halcandra, and that halcandra is an ancient inhabited place as the Lor starcutter was FROM Halcandra and its confermed to be ancient tech, with the dimensional travel that they use in the ship. the Crown wanted to rampage so it went to halcandra and wrecked house to what it is today (also you cant hide an entire PLANTET in another dimension and NOT have some Time Paradoxes).
2 things 1) there's a little dialog when you first enter merry magoland, something like "this place exists in a different time and place" so I'd say that the story following in the clash games is the canon one. 2) I think I read somewhere in the game that magolor lost all his memories at the end of the epilogue and that's why he reintroduces himself. However I'm not sure if that's true or if I'm imagining things
When we think about it, kirby went in a dimensional rip to land on the forgotten. And if we also pretend that the event of the epilog was BEEFOR forgoten land (return to dreamland wii) could that means that the Master crown, in a last action, possed elfilis to cause some caos and get his hown revenge of kirby.
the evil inside the crown is void termina because void termina used the crown as a laser in star allies meaning it survievd magolor and the 4 heros may have sealed it twice or, since void exists in all dimensions the master crown itself could be another dimensions version or copy of void after magolor and the tree get 1 Eyeball, also this could mean that the ancients gave landia the crown as a guardian of its power, there could've been others who maybe lived in halcandra but landia Settled in witch is why it looks like the a volcanic wasteland, also when landia saw magolor ship i can see why they shot it down.
I think that it's because magolor knew that the Kirby in Kirby clash and Kirby Clash Deluxe are not the same Kirby that defeated him and who knows maybe the gem apples are what allowed him to return to Dreamland
I have a final Splat Fest theory. The final splat fest will be sharks,eels, and manta rays. Witch ever team wins that is the animal we will be in the next game.
Well in my school vr game the master crown is revealed to have a previous host then Landia Pacificly a unknown entity known as void elfilies a unknown powerhouse the only thing was known about void elfilies is that it soul was removed from it's body as the body was damaged beyond control and repair my friend iwan bassit speculated that void elfilies soul is in the crown but there's a problem the time code of it a flashback to 300 years ago and this is a problem at the time was the calamity war and the only time the crown is linked to the calamity war is the clashing between Goalius and the holy king novis because the crown is the same the only difference is during the boss fight Novis is using a sword not a spear
Well it’s cool how in the end of the Story Mode in Kirby’s Return to Dreamland Deluxe how you defeat Magolor and then Magolor goes to another dimension and you have to help him restore his powers and helping him out of this dimension he’s in but I like in the final battle against the Master Crown I like how in the background it does kinda look like the final battle against Fecto Elfilis and I wonder what would happen if Fecto Elfilis and the Master Crown did decided to work together to take over the kingdom but at the end I wonder why they wanted to make this game take place in Super Kirby Clash for some reason? And also how Magolor made this amusement park for Kirby and his friends? But my question would be how does this dimension that Magolor’s in compares to the other dimension where Kirby and his friends are at? And now since we got a new mode for Magolor my next question would be would their be new modes for Taranza and Susie Haltmann if Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot both got reboots to the Nintendo Switch? And then the final question would be since Magolor is now friends with Kirby would Kirby, Elfilin, and Magolor try to find the agents that made the Master Crown and also other stuff they did around planet Popstar? And then the last and final question would be is what are the other masks in the game? Like for Susie or Magolor or any other characters you know something like that? But the game was pretty fun it’s kinda sad how we don’t have masks for Tiff, Tuff, and Escargoon and how they don’t have Marx in the game and also still not liking the club penguin design of King Dedede but I can’t wait to see what new stuff you’ll talk about this game and yeah
So, something worth mentioning. The master crown appears not to be possessed, but rather has dark matter infused with it. That's why the magolor soul boss uses attacks that are consistent among other beings possessed by or linked to dark matter. The crown was made by the ancients of halcandra afterall, they have a history with using dark matter as a resource. Whats interesting though, is that void termina uses the master crown for its attacks. Maybe void termina is a reincarnation of the matter that was housed inside the now broken master crown?
Something I noticed about the Tree Crown’s design that I haven’t seen anyone else mention yet is how… familiar it looks. The wings, the halo, the big pointy root at the bottom, the blood red flower with the eye in the middle… perhaps this gives us an idea as to what kind of dark forces reside within the crown.
Given that both zero and the master crown have a connection to void(in "kirby star allies") is it possible that zero used that connection to manifest his remaining essence in the crown? Especially at the end of the true arena, during the secret second phase of the Magolor Soul fight.
OR the place where you fight the master crown could be Halacandra back in it's prime. Remember the ancients didn't just travel to one part of the universe, but many, spreading their advancements in tech and magic with them. I think the area we see is a place and time in the past when Halacandra was in it's prime before falling to an unknown force into ruins, more specifically the ruins known as egg engines today. That's the thought that struck me when I first reached the end of Magolor's epilogue.
This ancient evil you speak of, DEFINITELY hints at Void Termina. We do know that some of the Halcandran Ancients (Hyness) worshipped a “Matter Most Dark” For the seemingly limitless power it gave at the cost of their entire being. So they could’ve attempted to seal Void’s power into their relics to harness it more effectively. Unfortunately, Void’s power would propagate and permeate the relics it’s fragments would inhabit. Like the Master Crown.
I remember when the host is gone own the emotion left behind maybe the evil energy got out of crown an gem place on it to self the evil they created? an use look Pokémon scarlet and violet new legendries of dlc you like it
I find it fitting that magolor had to destroy the crown to get back to the regular dimension In a way cutting (both figuratively and literally lmao) his ties to his craving of power and evil And then he became a capitalist and the turned into Walt Disney Also i believe that the final battle background could be the forgotten land or alternative it could be somewhere around egg engines
I also believe that the final boss took place in the forgotten land. The tower on the left with hexagonal roof and control tower resembles the same one from fectos boss fight. It even has satellite dishes up there.
I wonder, did Magolor know Hyness? Actually, how do we know that Hyness wasn't on the Lor Starcutter when it was first shot down by Landia? And where the heck did that tree come from?
Sometime before Super Kirby Clash, Kirby's version of OoT happened and the timeline split. the 2 splits i know of are the Kirby Clash timeline and the KRTDL timeline
i think at the end where he starts fresh his color changes to green to show his soul is now pure and kirby sees the color and dosent remember him or he tricks everyone into thinking hes someone else so he can start new with his friends
I don't think that shaking at the end was because of anger... I was under the impression it was him being overcome with emotion because he finally accomplished his goal after loads of hardship to finally escape and leave behind his past troubles (hence the reason he wipes away tears right afterwards). Also... the Dream Kingdom (as far as I know) is supposed to take place in an alternate universe or realm or something. The Kirby from that world doesn't know Magolor, hence why he would reintroduce himself when you talk to him. (I'd also like to note that the symbols on the floor at the ancient altar are identical to the symbol on King D Mind's hammer and Parallel Susie's mech in the Kirby Clash games, which has lore implications we have yet to discover... As well as that, a replica of the Master Crown is also used by Void Termina in Star Allies, implying a connection between Void Termina and the Crown).
This explains a lot about the acients. We know that were two tipes of them: Mages and scientist. Star Dream have realy similar attaks and abilities to the master crown. I think that the scientist, for fight the mages, crated star dream as a personal master crown. But like the real one, also this corrupt who controls it. I think another prove is that the heart in star dream's "chest" is similar to void termina's face. Maybye the computer was a scientist's void termina and master crown. We also know that mages defeated with galacta knight void termina and void termina can summon 4 master crowns. The mages used void termina powers to create the master crown. Basically at the end the acients are the cause of all the problems that hitted dream land.
My main issue is... you can actually see Merry Magoland in the background of at least one level in Popstar (Nutty Noon level 1), during Kirby's adventure prior to fixing the ship So, as weird as it sounds, I guess Magolor built the park before going all final boss. Which tracks with the game not only allowing, but encouraging, the player to switch between the theme park and the adventure at any time.
When the crown becomes a tree the place is Kirby and the forgotten world before overgrown with wild life as you can see the bridge and tower ont the left
My theory on the doomers being connected with the crown: they used to be halcondrans. The non-boss doomer enemies all have similar traits to halcondrian residents, with some even having the same horns that magalor has, and the shpear doomers all dissolve into the same black smoke that the crown emits. I think that the Grand doomer used to be halcondria's king, which is why he is the one trying to reasemble and restore the crown in the sub mode. This is also the reason why the crown seeming got corrupted AGAIN despite magalor not coming into contact with it, the Grand doomer didn't come from the crown, the crown came from him.
So the thing about the master crown fight…. If you pay attention, you can see that the ground from ethereal altar is still present. The sword on the right side was there the entire time. So no it may not be entirely different; in fact, this might’ve been what Dangerous Dinner was before it was destroyed. Considering all the fireballs, it might make sense Either way this is what the Altar used to be. Or will be.
I love how they made Magolor a redeemable and somewhat self-centered anti-hero rather than a pure villain... and even managed to make you sympathize with him. He never really intended for all that world domination stuff to happen, but the Master Crown amplifies the evil in the wearer's heart and consumes their soul. According to his dialogue in Merry Magoland, he always dreamed of building a theme park. And in the Kirby Clash games he provides armor and weapons to help Kirby and even lets him pick gem apples from the tree he planted, so we know for a fact he's not inherently evil (microtransaction jokes or not... I don't think that part is canon in lore). They also made a previously non-canon game canon, made lore to explain the in-game currency, and even came up with an in-lore reason for why Magolor wields his own stylized Ultra Sword in Star Allies! And Magolor getting trapped in another dimension after the events of Return to Dreamland isn't a new development... its actually been known for a while. But up until Magolor Epilogue we didn't know _how_ he escaped.
As the Master Crown seems capable of transporting people *through Time as well as Space* (something we don't really see until _RtDLDX),_ I feel like _the World Magolor's in_ when fighting the Master Crown *IS* the Forgotten Land - but _at the Time_ of when Kirby faces *Chaos Elfilis!* In the *Chaos Elfilis* fight, one of its Attacks involves changing into _a giant Fireball,_ and sending Debris falling all over the Battlefield - Kirby must jump to the top of _Pillars created by the Debris_ before Chaos Elfilis swoops through and destroys everything below. *This* is the Time I think Magolor is facing the *Master Crown,* just in a location far from *Lab Discovera!*
Here’s my idea the Master crown is a Reincarnation of the doom to be fecto Elfilis/IDF86 that the master crown could be the True form of this creature and the master crown when it died turned into fecto Elfilis and the city background makes so much more sense when you take a step back and realize that this place could be the very forgotten land in the most recent non Kirby game remaster so we got some pieces to connect the dots to explain the lore of everything we know about kirby
True. Still curious about this city location. Eh could be something with the haltmann corp since they’ve been known for buildings aswell or just some other human civilization
This game confirms my theory, that the kirby universe is actually a multiverse. It's why Galacta Knight reappears and how Morpho is an interdimensional diety. So minor things like helper to hero are "canon" and side stories like super kirby clash are also "canon" meaning Aeon Hero Light/Dark are very important
I had a bit of an out-there theory regarding the master crown, and with Return to Dreamland DX being released, some stuff in that solidifies it for me. My Theory: A primordial version of Zero two was sealed inside the Master Crown My reasoning: 1. As mentioned in the video, the crown does move around, somewhat implying something is inside it. 2. In Magalor's second phase when his health is halfway depleted, along with Magolor Soul for its whole fight has the same eye in its mouth that resembles Zero two's (Dark red with a black pupil), and in Return to Dreamland DX, the true arena has an exclusive phase 2 for Magolor Soul, where his white eyes disappear and his mouth eye remains, similar to when Kirby and Ribbon encounter Zero Two 3. When the Master crown takes its own form at the end of the Magolor epilogue, its drill-like roots and its wreath halo on top of its head bear some resemblance to Zero Two (Zero Two has a spike on its underside that looks plant-like (resembling a cactus), and is (for all I know) the only boss that has a halo) 4. This one seems like an out-there detail, but the jewel in the master crown (lighting might've screwed with me in this part) has a similar coloring to the crystal from Kirby 64, which Zero Two and its Dark Matter minions were trying to seek out and get rid of If I got something wrong, kindly correct me, although I'm not an expert on Kirby lore, so I'm probably likely to get something wrong
![Kirby and the Forgotten Land, TRUE ENDING EXPLAINED! [He's Now CANNON?!]](/img/n.gif)
And in the end, he became something even more evil than what he was before. Magolor became a merchant with micro transactions.
*in a TF2 Soldier voice * DEAR GOD!!!!
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In a dialogue in the Lor Starcutter Magolor reveals to Kirby his dream of building an amusement park, and also says that he should start from something small like a shop, which is then what happens, he goes to the Kirby Clash dimention, plants the gem apple tree, earns enough money (also in the credits of Super Kirby Clash the last image shows Magolor in his normal pattern), he actually goes back to Dream Land after everything that happens in Super Kirby Clash and builds the amusement parks as a big "sorry" to Kirby
@@shawnsmith1673 yea
@CreepCalamity Magolor got trough the epilogue and THEN he went to the Kirby Clash dimension, then he came back
@@shawnsmith1673 WHY does bandana waddle dee not remember kirby then lmao
So it All comes full circle
@@shawnsmith1673 is it not bandana dee who is by the tree? Bruh
I didn't see Magolor's animation at the end as a regression, I figured it was him crying. He was shuddering, and then he wiped his tears away. Probably out of relief that he was alive, free from whatever the crown did to him, and able to escape that dimension.
i think magolor was crying because he lost his fruit (the gem apple) which he is shown reunited with in the credits so maybe he just thought he lost it.
Yeah I think he was crying but out of happiness because he was finally free from the Crown and that dimension and could return to a normal world
It could be a lot of things, like realizing that he just destroyed what he fought so long to acquire
I think he saw the Portal as his shot of a second chance, and when he realizes that, he began to cry, he was relieved and wholeheartedly accepts the change. As shown as he opens his arms out as he jumps into the portal
@Enderoem well elfilis came in a time the forgotten land wasnt so forgotten
so maybe the master crown is what lead to the forgotten land becoming abandonded
the master crown would most likely have to power to trancend space and time
One thing that always bothered me was in star allies that magolor could use the ultra sword even though he didn't have the master crown. The epilogue answered that question.
Same to me
It was badass to see
I don't think he needs it that's why. He very capable mage on his own I think simply copied Kirby's version and made his own one which so Badass!
So basically Kirby and Magolor are surprisingly even
The Master Crown battle was probably the biggest plot twist in my opinion.
Same
The biggest twist for me was that the tree was shaped like an angel
The biggest plot twist was super kirby clash being canon
Lol deforestation go brr
It’s basically for this final boss it’s like Whispy woods and accurate angel Have a Love child.
I always thought the reason LAndia was never controlled by the crown was because they had four heads, so the three heads not wearing the crown kept the crown in check.
Edit 3/6/23: Well, apparently Landia EX's pause screen in the remake actually states that even they aren't 100% immune to the crowd's influence, so I guess I might have been mistaken.
Wow, that actually makes some sense.
The Crown takes the soul of the wearer and influences there evil. But Landia (as in the single head that wears the crown). Is pure, and then the other three fuse with it, keeping the crown in check and suppressing it's influence
I thought landia used to power of the crown to keep the crown at bay hence why it doesnt turn landia into a dark beast like it does with magalor and the doomers
but the multiple heads most likely helped aswell
That's some Fridge Brilliance right there.
The fact that in the final battle of Magolor epilogue, we see which look like egg engines in the past. That must mean that Halcandria was one of the planets that the ancients populated, however egg engines got destroyed by a meteor doomsday.
i agree with this
For whatever reason, it also reminded me of the forgotten land.
@@joshcoy6748 me too, the skyscrapers made me think is was earth
If I remember correctly, the Crowned Doomer's description mentioned Punishing magalor for using Kirby or something, so I kinda saw the doomers as Angels of sorts, possibly trying to stop magalor from escaping/Stopping Kirby from helping magalor
But magolor uses them to attack in his first boss phase.
I like to think that the rampaging doomers and crowned doomer are special, and that they were trained by the ancients or something to guard the fruit fragments and potentially punish crimes for the ancients. Like an executioner, while the other doomers are just wild creatures that want to feed on energy.
@@MySnugglePuppy It's possible they were just afraid of it, but that's speculation.
@@MySnugglePuppy Probably used them by force, against their own will.
There are doomer-looking entities in Another Dimension tho, Idk if they're related however
I actually thought it was saying that they were fighting him just because he took the energy spheres
Ethereal Altar is called ‘Room of Eden’ in Japanese. I believe Magolor Epilogue is a reverse story of Paradice Lost. He gets expulsed from paradise (Lor) and drifts to a hellish non-realistic place(Eden). Then He obtains a Malus pumila and gets his (and maybe all the Halcandran's and the Master Crown's) original sin judged and atoned by the Malus Pumila. This is completely the opposite of Paradice lost, a story in which obtaining Malus pumila is the sin, gets expulsed from paradise (Eden), and drifts to hellish reality.
Or maybe Magolor Epilogue isn't a story of his atonement at all and is exactly a story of paradise lost. He gets expulsed from paradise(main timeline) and maybe that's why nobody knows him in Kirby Clash.
Sorry for my bad English!
Honestly a pretty cool theory!
@@Mike14264 TNX!
And we do know from Star Allies that “Lor” means “Paradise”
He also came back to star Allie’s and it’s definitely the same magalor because he even has the sword that he used in the epilogue
And gem apples so he comes back to the main dimension after the Kirby clash games.
Dream friends are NOT canon, HAL confirmed that
Link?
@@kickatemi7738They are.
@@chrisredfield11 Dark Metaknight is still trapped, marx is dead, magolor is in another dimension, susie is still working on conquering planets. The good ones could canonically appear in other games, but HAL said they don't want to mess with the storiline, dark metaknight will always be evil, and marx had never had the chanse to redeem itself. I remeber to you that this characters are from dlcs, the game its competable without them. Of course you have to know that all the arenas arren't canon.
My theory is that the master crown is housing none other than Dark Matter, a different form of it. This is because their are many other forms of Dark Matter that are even from different dimension, which can be seen with Dark Mind. And notice that the eye of the tree entity moves in a simaler pattern that Dark Matter does in Dream Land 2, that with the fact that it posseses Magolor's body and soul just like Dark Matter does to Dedede. Also when Magolor is whering the crown in the first phase of his fight, I like to imagen that the three claws on his head are drilling inside of him and slowly eating at his soul.
Zero 3?
No.
@@teshindax3683 not every dark matter is zero
Wait, probably more like void. Dark matter, zero, zero two and dark nebula are probably more reincarnation of void termina, like kirby.
The master crown absolutely is a form of dark matter. The only proof you need is that in the soul form phase of the fight magolor has the dark matter eye in his mouth.
Another interesting bit is that nearly all of Magolor’s attacks during his fight are just his base abilities amplified up. The biggest power boost is that he can now open wormholes. So it may be that the crown (or the entity inside it) just boosts already existing power.
Also the ultra sword
That would explain Marx's moveset in Star Allies. Using these Ancient artifacts or stuff like Nova probably amplifies your existing power set.
Even in the first game the crown was sentient. In the Demon Magolor phase, the one where he looks terrifying, you are not fighting Magolor, you're fighting the Master Crown that has his body as a host.
The Eye of the master crown in the Gem Apple Tree looks like one of the weakpoint eyes you see during the fight against void termina in Kirby star allies, so maybe during The Galactic Crisis part of termina prior to being sealed probably got part if its body sliced off and considering Termina can make a projection of the master crown in star allies would mean that Termina while whole actually made the crown from Return to Dreamland before being defeated by Galacta knight and the heros.
Super Kirby Clash is actually a Sequel to Team Kirby Clash Deluxe and not a reboot, because in the 3ds version Taranza is the villain of the game and mind controls the monsters and summons King-D Mind from the Dark Mirror. After The 3ds Team Kirby defeats King-D-Mind a second time they sent King-D Mind back where he came from and the mirror shattered which made Tarzana turn good and come to his senses. In Super Kirby Clash Taranza is only evil in one fight because of Parallel Nightmare and after defeat he regains his sanity and mostly chills on the roof of the shoppe the rest of the game with a flower. Also King-D Mind was able to return because Parallel Nightmare used a portal to summon The Dark King because the mirror was destroyed in the 3ds version
Also Theory: The Gem Apple Seed has the ability to create new alternate realities which would explain why Parallel Nightmare exists and The Dreamscape before the battle against Aeon Hero (Light) could be the birthplace of The Fountain of Dreams and Star Rod, but because it was in shambles before the start of The Aeon Hero (Light) fight, the Star Rod and Fountain most likely never existed. It would also explain Parallel Susie is the President of The Haltman Works Company instead of Haltman because Haltman probably actually died during the reactivation of Star Dream instead of Susie being sent to a dimension and surviving. It also explains the possibility of Dark Mind achieving his goals for conquering the Mirror world through most likely Shadow Dedede's Body. Galacta Knight was also never absorbed by the Butterfly because if The Fountain is broken the Star Rod was never made, then that means The Ancients were still together, because The Mage Sisters are relaxing at the village in the background instead of trying to revive Void Termina. Kirby is most likely a species with a population instead of being only one creature, because in Super Kirby Clash for Switch the town doesn't know about the player Kirby which means that The Team Kirby of Super Kirby Clash is a newer generation of the Kirby Species and The Team Kirby of the 3ds game is an older generation of heroes.
TERMINA?! ok now we just need to Link Mario to Kirby and Kinkio (kirby link mario) will be real.
is this a theory or an essay?!
nevermind i didnt need to mention termina because kirby can just turn into link
“I like this!”
Here's what I think how the story goes. Return to Dream Land Deluxe was just a recap of what happened before Magolor Epilogue, then when we play as Magolor that's when the story is getting kinda weird. He went to Super Kirby Clash, somehow got back to the original universe and then now currently made a theme park which is Merry Magoland. It said that Merry Magoland was from a DIFFERENT time. So what I'm guessing is that Magolor working on his theme park is his current state rn.
(Here's the story order on my theory.)
Kirby's Return to Dream Land - Magolor Epilogue - Super Kirby Clash - Merry Magoland
Merry magoland isn’t canon because when Landia shows up, it’s still wearing the master crown.
@@MySnugglePuppyI don’t feel like that’s enough proof to say it’s not canon.
@@MySnugglePuppy really?
@@PaulRodela yeah honestly
@Molly Johnson different timelines
The “Ancient Evil” in the crown is Void Termina or a form of Dark Matter I’m pretty sure basing off the fact Void spawned one.
We know it’s dark matter but i don’t think it’s void im extremely sure that return to dream land takes place before star allies
Zero 3?
@@teshindax3683 why have you typed the same thing twice? I know it's very important but you dont need to repeat it over and over.
@CreepCalamity apparently Void isn’t related to Kirby and purely mocked him and we still don’t know what he is
@@teshindax3683 dark nebula is zero 3
Maybe what’s happening in the background is the “nightmare of a galactic crisis” that Hyness mencioned in star Allies.
My thoughts:
* Great video
* Great theories
* Pretty sure RPG Monger mentioned that Void Termina summoned Master Crowns in Star Allies
* Master Crown has an eye
* Master Crown is connected to / a part of dark matter?
* That one apocalyptic place could be forgotten land, halcandra, shiver Star, or somewhere new, but what is up with the building with the planet on top?
Overall, great video :)
I think the reason Magolor may have a way back to dream land thanks to the gem apples, i mean In super kirby clash he only accepted gem apples and if the dream kingdom has a type of currency that isn't gem apples why would he sell armor for gem apples? To power him up, while collecting pieces of the gem apple seed magolor gets granted more of his strength, maybe when Magolor does with the gem apples is to find a way back to dreamland and apologize to Kirby
Fun fact! The ultra sword that magalor uses against the master crown is the same one that he has in star Allie’s as his down up attack
What if the merry magoland was build in the dream kingdom of kirby clash, seeing how kirby and his friends in this other dimension (don't forget that thanks to the descriptions of void, we know that kirby can exist in every dimension) don't know magolors past, so they trust him, being that gem apple merchant who equipt them with gear to safe their world
thats what i thought to
It's a different timeliness. His clothes are different. Also void can exist in every dimension not kirby.
@@reggielacey2235 and what can void turn into? Either Dark Matter or Kirby
The background looks like halacandra you can see egg engines in the background
When you realize that the Dream Kingdom is this sort of half-canon, half not-canon copy dimension where Magolor is sent to begin anew...
You also realize that he eventually had to make the choice between staying with his new "fake" friends who knew not of the atrocities he's committed, or returning to Dreamland and his real friends who he regretted stabbing in the hack.
That probably hurts... A Lot.
Also
The fact that our boi galacta knight is still alive and thriving
For the confusion between the main plot and Magoland being an alternate dimension, it's hard to explain but I think it's 2011 Magolor from the original wii game who made the park. Thanks to the epiloge, we know what happens to the fella who falls into the dream kingdom dimension and gains his funds there (Through our pockets like the little gremlin he is) before returning to dreamland to make the place as a big apology. However, I believe due to not having enough experience in making dimensional rifts and the fact he doesn't have the Lor for pinpoint location, he ends up going to a point in time way before even crashing on Popstar, eventually for him to go "ah well" and build it anyway and letting it evolve into the area we see in the deluxe edition.
Finally you are talking about this AWSOME finale!
I don't think that city background during the fight with the master crown was the forgotten land because the forgotten land was once a human civilization that chose to leave their planet. W have already theorize the Halcandra was the home of the ancients thanks to Meteorz, but if you look closely at the background you can see some towers that are part of egg engines, farther proving that the ancients lived on halcandra until something bad happed to them.
nah, gotta understand there technology skyrocketed just from one entity alone. so it's possible
I wonder if the other games after return to dreamland that was before the switch games will get the same treatment, triple deluxe getting a taranza epilogue and Robobot getting a Susie epilogue
Rather a Susie Prologue to see her journey in the other dimension.
Taranza epilogue so he can bring back my queen
Don't think so, i think they gave it to magalor cuz he's a bit more popular
I think that Magalor might have completely corrupted the Master Crown, fusing itself with the darkness within Magalors soul to create the evil Crown we see in Magalors epilogue. Magalor is essentially defeating the darkness within his soul in a sort of way. The Ancients might have created the Master Crown to be used by one of the 4 heroes to possibly take down and seal Void Termina as evidenced by it using a sort of project of the Master Crown in it's fight in Star Allies. Memories and emotion have always been a huge part of the Kirby series especially as of late, Void Termina again being a huge example of this as it uses the generals weapons for it's attacks (some other examples include Kirby using the power of love and friendship to befriend even his worst enemies, Haltmann influencing Star Dream with his want to mechanize planets, and Forgo holding onto it's hate for the inhabitants of the Forrgotten Land for possibly centuries.) All of this to say that I believe the Master Crown is based upon the the dreams, memories, and intentions of the wearer. The Ancients wanted to seal Void Termina? Done. Landia wanted to defend the Crown and Halcandra from evil? Done. Magalor wants unlimited power and to be the ruler of all the universe? Done. The only reason those last two failed was because Kirby was there, but even still Magalor came scarily close to destroying Popstar and the rest of the universe. The Crown was infested by Magalors own dark desires, corrupting Magalors body and becoming a near unstoppable force of pure evil.
TL;DR: The Master Crown is influenced by emotions and intent which is why it becomes evil
Wouldn't it be crazy if Magalor's fight with the corrupted tree at the end was in the forgotten land. During Kirby's fight with Elfilis, wether it's the normal fight or the colosseum fight, but the fight was intercepted by Elfilis creating a bunch of portals.
When you first enter merry magoland i think it says that that magalor in merry magoland comes from a different dimension and different time so maybe that means that the magolor we saved in kirbys return to dreamland on the wii did build the amusement park and the magolor we saved on switch just got a different ending where he ended up in a different world(the dream world) thats what i think atleast
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I thought he would fight morpho knight but I could not have expected the true final boss…
I’m pretty sure that the place in the background of the final battle is egg engines, since we see that it was partially destroyed during the main story events. Perhaps an evil force attacked egg engines, and that same force was the sealed evil in the crown. It makes sense that the past egg engines would be similar to the forgotten land if they really were made by the same ancients, as both games imply. I also think that after the evil was sealed away, the ancients evacuated to other places since halcandra seemed too unsafe of a place to live anymore. Maybe they even moved to pop star, or possibly shiver star as well.
I think it's a very safe assumption that the evil energy within the crown is Dark Matter himself or remnants of his sentience.
I remember a theory saying when you fight the Master crown it was likely a ruined egg engines in halcandra. It was likely since this was Halcandra in the past when Magolor attacked. While I don’t know if it’s true, I think it’s likely given a lot of these dimensions are based on memories and events that were done in the past.
the five Magolor epilogue bosses are remakes of the five bosses that are holding part spheres in main mode. in my playthrough of the epilogue i thought they (Nintendo) forgot to put in a Whispy Woods remake but they actually just made him the final boss.
the bosses are: Mr. dooter, remade into electricky dooter , fatty puffer, remade into fiery puffer, goriath, remade into hydriath, grand doomer, remade into rampaging doomers, and whispy woods, remade into master crown.
The fact that he decides to take on a new role as the shope really makes me wonder if those games, or at least one of them, is actually Canon at least in some strange way, considering that the kirby subgames like these usually aren’t.
So, one of directors of KATFL, said that after KRTDL events, Magolor started to live em Dream Land, and i think that Mags passed a lot of years isolated and one day he Appeared in SA as a friend, for help Kirby, and now he build a park for apologize
(SORRY FOR BAD ENG I'M NOT AMERICAN LOL)
your bad english actually makes it sound better then if you had typed that correctly
@@samschofield9452 Oh, thank u :)
@@pupuhiroehvidah you're welcome! :D
maybe the ancient use a shpere doomer to create the master crown own thing stable enough to let use someone use the crown or make it corrupting itself.
Good theory I like it
the arena might be the forgotten land during the rampage of Fecto Elfilis. remember he wrecked the land before he was captured and studied.
I know I already commented, but you missed the fact that the dream kingdom is an alternate reality, and super clash isn’t a sequel to clash deluxe since nobody seems to remember that plot. Also, if I had to guess, magolor spent all those gem apples on materials and some sort of dimensional gate allowing him access to the main timeline. Also Nintendo didn’t make kirby, HAL laboratory did.
If you fight Metal General or play the first Egg Engine stage, take a good look at the background. You can see the building looking plane control tower from the master crown fight being crudely rebuilt and the saturn looking figure being reused on another tower.
I am completely positive that the fight displays the past destruction of Halcandra.
The fact that the architecture style looks so similar to the forgotten land adds more credibility to the theory that the former inhabitants of the forgotten land are the ancients and populated Halcandra
i always figured sphere doomers are just normal doomers (enemies from the landia shoot-em-up section native to Another Dimension) that ate the gear spheres, or whatever they're called, and powered up. and that the rampaging ones from the epilogue were just taken over by remenants of the master crown.
The Master Crown is Dark Matter. We have had Dark Matter fights in the Kirby series before. Like Dedede being possessed by Dark Matter and others being possessed as well. In Kirby 64 the crystal shards dark matter appears as a villain.
Not only that but Magolor's final phase in his fight shows dark matters appearance as it always has been. A dark circle with 1 Red Eye. Exactly what we see with dark matter.
Actually, the Magolor Epilogue shows the EX Magolor being defeated, implying EX mode takes place between Story Mode and the Magolor Epilogue.
Sinister Elmo
LMAO
i think that the kirby clash games are in another dimension with their own kirby just like the mirror dimension has its own kirby, and we know thanks to the pause screen of Void (all of them) that he is a multi dimensional being that exists in ALL dimensions, and that kirby , like Zero, is an incarnation of Void, just made with Positive energy . My guess is that after the epilogue magolor was sent to another dimension, the Kirby clash Dimension, and for super kirby clash he re-intros him self cause normal Kirby clash hes in the main city, SKC takes place in the same place just in a port town of the dream kingdom. also the Boss against Master crown (this is my head cannon dont blast me please) takes place in a pre landia Halcandra, and that halcandra is an ancient inhabited place as the Lor starcutter was FROM Halcandra and its confermed to be ancient tech, with the dimensional travel that they use in the ship. the Crown wanted to rampage so it went to halcandra and wrecked house to what it is today (also you cant hide an entire PLANTET in another dimension and NOT have some Time Paradoxes).
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2 things
1) there's a little dialog when you first enter merry magoland, something like "this place exists in a different time and place" so I'd say that the story following in the clash games is the canon one.
2) I think I read somewhere in the game that magolor lost all his memories at the end of the epilogue and that's why he reintroduces himself. However I'm not sure if that's true or if I'm imagining things
Wait, if that is true. I have another amnesia character to put on the list.
Magolor turned into Doctor Strange the Capitalist.
Can we talk about the nightmare that is New Magolor Soul, please?
Simply put, the Clash games are alternate dimensions.
When we think about it, kirby went in a dimensional rip to land on the forgotten. And if we also pretend that the event of the epilog was BEEFOR forgoten land (return to dreamland wii) could that means that the Master crown, in a last action, possed elfilis to cause some caos and get his hown revenge of kirby.
the evil inside the crown is void termina because void termina used the crown as a laser in star allies meaning it survievd magolor and the 4 heros may have sealed it twice or, since
void exists in all dimensions the master crown itself could be another dimensions version or copy of void after magolor and the tree get 1 Eyeball, also this could mean that the ancients
gave landia the crown as a guardian of its power, there could've been others who maybe lived in halcandra but landia Settled in witch is why it looks like the a volcanic wasteland, also
when landia saw magolor ship i can see why they shot it down.
i think i scrolled down too far...
I think that it's because magolor knew that the Kirby in Kirby clash and Kirby Clash Deluxe are not the same Kirby that defeated him and who knows maybe the gem apples are what allowed him to return to Dreamland
the first letter of each dimension's name in the Magolor epilogue spells apple if you count ethereal altar as the fifth.
Can you explain about magolor soul from the true arena and the new theme which has some strange sounds with it
Magolor Epilogue is heree
Ikr let’s go
@@thedraftingax5963 yeahhhh
I have a final Splat Fest theory. The final splat fest will be sharks,eels, and manta rays. Witch ever team wins that is the animal we will be in the next game.
Unfortunately there probably won't be a Splatoon 4
ACTUALLY the magalorland thing is a different timeliness, landia still has the master crown
Well in my school vr game the master crown is revealed to have a previous host then Landia Pacificly a unknown entity known as void elfilies a unknown powerhouse the only thing was known about void elfilies is that it soul was removed from it's body as the body was damaged beyond control and repair my friend iwan bassit speculated that void elfilies soul is in the crown but there's a problem the time code of it a flashback to 300 years ago and this is a problem at the time was the calamity war and the only time the crown is linked to the calamity war is the clashing between Goalius and the holy king novis because the crown is the same the only difference is during the boss fight Novis is using a sword not a spear
I think that the dimesion during the final fight is the world from forgotten land
Well it’s cool how in the end of the Story Mode in Kirby’s Return to Dreamland Deluxe how you defeat Magolor and then Magolor goes to another dimension and you have to help him restore his powers and helping him out of this dimension he’s in but I like in the final battle against the Master Crown I like how in the background it does kinda look like the final battle against Fecto Elfilis and I wonder what would happen if Fecto Elfilis and the Master Crown did decided to work together to take over the kingdom but at the end I wonder why they wanted to make this game take place in Super Kirby Clash for some reason? And also how Magolor made this amusement park for Kirby and his friends? But my question would be how does this dimension that Magolor’s in compares to the other dimension where Kirby and his friends are at? And now since we got a new mode for Magolor my next question would be would their be new modes for Taranza and Susie Haltmann if Triple Deluxe and Planet Robobot both got reboots to the Nintendo Switch? And then the final question would be since Magolor is now friends with Kirby would Kirby, Elfilin, and Magolor try to find the agents that made the Master Crown and also other stuff they did around planet Popstar? And then the last and final question would be is what are the other masks in the game? Like for Susie or Magolor or any other characters you know something like that? But the game was pretty fun it’s kinda sad how we don’t have masks for Tiff, Tuff, and Escargoon and how they don’t have Marx in the game and also still not liking the club penguin design of King Dedede but I can’t wait to see what new stuff you’ll talk about this game and yeah
i havent watched your videos in a bit but i like the new intro!
So, something worth mentioning. The master crown appears not to be possessed, but rather has dark matter infused with it. That's why the magolor soul boss uses attacks that are consistent among other beings possessed by or linked to dark matter. The crown was made by the ancients of halcandra afterall, they have a history with using dark matter as a resource. Whats interesting though, is that void termina uses the master crown for its attacks. Maybe void termina is a reincarnation of the matter that was housed inside the now broken master crown?
Something I noticed about the Tree Crown’s design that I haven’t seen anyone else mention yet is how… familiar it looks. The wings, the halo, the big pointy root at the bottom, the blood red flower with the eye in the middle… perhaps this gives us an idea as to what kind of dark forces reside within the crown.
Magolor introduces himself because he is talking with a parallel Kirby
Given that both zero and the master crown have a connection to void(in "kirby star allies") is it possible that zero used that connection to manifest his remaining essence in the crown? Especially at the end of the true arena, during the secret second phase of the Magolor Soul fight.
OR the place where you fight the master crown could be Halacandra back in it's prime. Remember the ancients didn't just travel to one part of the universe, but many, spreading their advancements in tech and magic with them. I think the area we see is a place and time in the past when Halacandra was in it's prime before falling to an unknown force into ruins, more specifically the ruins known as egg engines today. That's the thought that struck me when I first reached the end of Magolor's epilogue.
9:40 sliver star
I'm glad someone else have found the background accurate to silver star
This ancient evil you speak of, DEFINITELY hints at Void Termina. We do know that some of the Halcandran Ancients (Hyness) worshipped a “Matter Most Dark” For the seemingly limitless power it gave at the cost of their entire being. So they could’ve attempted to seal Void’s power into their relics to harness it more effectively. Unfortunately, Void’s power would propagate and permeate the relics it’s fragments would inhabit. Like the Master Crown.
I remember when the host is gone own the emotion left behind maybe the evil energy got out of crown an gem place on it to self the evil they created? an use look Pokémon scarlet and violet new legendries of dlc you like it
I find it fitting that magolor had to destroy the crown to get back to the regular dimension
In a way cutting (both figuratively and literally lmao) his ties to his craving of power and evil
And then he became a capitalist and the turned into Walt Disney
Also i believe that the final battle background could be the forgotten land or alternative it could be somewhere around egg engines
I also believe that the final boss took place in the forgotten land. The tower on the left with hexagonal roof and control tower resembles the same one from fectos boss fight. It even has satellite dishes up there.
I wonder, did Magolor know Hyness? Actually, how do we know that Hyness wasn't on the Lor Starcutter when it was first shot down by Landia? And where the heck did that tree come from?
It confirms that clash is canon so maybe this means that fighters and dream buffet also might be canon
the tree had the crown atached to it some how
Sometime before Super Kirby Clash, Kirby's version of OoT happened and the timeline split. the 2 splits i know of are the Kirby Clash timeline and the KRTDL timeline
i think at the end where he starts fresh his color changes to green to show his soul is now pure and kirby sees the color and dosent remember him or he tricks everyone into thinking hes someone else so he can start new with his friends
Is the snow boss .Cora Mondo’s child
I don't think that shaking at the end was because of anger... I was under the impression it was him being overcome with emotion because he finally accomplished his goal after loads of hardship to finally escape and leave behind his past troubles (hence the reason he wipes away tears right afterwards).
Also... the Dream Kingdom (as far as I know) is supposed to take place in an alternate universe or realm or something. The Kirby from that world doesn't know Magolor, hence why he would reintroduce himself when you talk to him.
(I'd also like to note that the symbols on the floor at the ancient altar are identical to the symbol on King D Mind's hammer and Parallel Susie's mech in the Kirby Clash games, which has lore implications we have yet to discover... As well as that, a replica of the Master Crown is also used by Void Termina in Star Allies, implying a connection between Void Termina and the Crown).
Here’s a more likely suggestion: the area where the final boss is actually the Forgotten Lands themselves during the apocalypse taking place.
This explains a lot about the acients.
We know that were two tipes of them:
Mages and scientist.
Star Dream have realy similar attaks and abilities to the master crown.
I think that the scientist, for fight the mages, crated star dream as a personal master crown. But like the real one, also this corrupt who controls it.
I think another prove is that the heart in star dream's "chest" is similar to void termina's face. Maybye the computer was a scientist's void termina and master crown.
We also know that mages defeated with galacta knight void termina and void termina can summon 4 master crowns.
The mages used void termina powers to create the master crown. Basically at the end the acients are the cause of all the problems that hitted dream land.
4:45 and thus, magolor obtained the power of microtransactions. with this legendary power, he defeated the master crown with the starlight sword DX
My main issue is... you can actually see Merry Magoland in the background of at least one level in Popstar (Nutty Noon level 1), during Kirby's adventure prior to fixing the ship
So, as weird as it sounds, I guess Magolor built the park before going all final boss. Which tracks with the game not only allowing, but encouraging, the player to switch between the theme park and the adventure at any time.
When the crown becomes a tree the place is Kirby and the forgotten world before overgrown with wild life as you can see the bridge and tower ont the left
Lore=Bomb=🍪=Plane=crash=Death💀=100 years later= People forget and be like:Lore who?
My theory on the doomers being connected with the crown: they used to be halcondrans. The non-boss doomer enemies all have similar traits to halcondrian residents, with some even having the same horns that magalor has, and the shpear doomers all dissolve into the same black smoke that the crown emits. I think that the Grand doomer used to be halcondria's king, which is why he is the one trying to reasemble and restore the crown in the sub mode. This is also the reason why the crown seeming got corrupted AGAIN despite magalor not coming into contact with it, the Grand doomer didn't come from the crown, the crown came from him.
So the thing about the master crown fight….
If you pay attention, you can see that the ground from ethereal altar is still present.
The sword on the right side was there the entire time.
So no it may not be entirely different; in fact, this might’ve been what Dangerous Dinner was before it was destroyed. Considering all the fireballs, it might make sense
Either way this is what the Altar used to be. Or will be.
I love how they made Magolor a redeemable and somewhat self-centered anti-hero rather than a pure villain... and even managed to make you sympathize with him. He never really intended for all that world domination stuff to happen, but the Master Crown amplifies the evil in the wearer's heart and consumes their soul. According to his dialogue in Merry Magoland, he always dreamed of building a theme park. And in the Kirby Clash games he provides armor and weapons to help Kirby and even lets him pick gem apples from the tree he planted, so we know for a fact he's not inherently evil (microtransaction jokes or not... I don't think that part is canon in lore).
They also made a previously non-canon game canon, made lore to explain the in-game currency, and even came up with an in-lore reason for why Magolor wields his own stylized Ultra Sword in Star Allies! And Magolor getting trapped in another dimension after the events of Return to Dreamland isn't a new development... its actually been known for a while. But up until Magolor Epilogue we didn't know _how_ he escaped.
As the Master Crown seems capable of transporting people *through Time as well as Space* (something we don't really see until _RtDLDX),_ I feel like _the World Magolor's in_ when fighting the Master Crown *IS* the Forgotten Land - but _at the Time_ of when Kirby faces *Chaos Elfilis!*
In the *Chaos Elfilis* fight, one of its Attacks involves changing into _a giant Fireball,_ and sending Debris falling all over the Battlefield - Kirby must jump to the top of _Pillars created by the Debris_ before Chaos Elfilis swoops through and destroys everything below. *This* is the Time I think Magolor is facing the *Master Crown,* just in a location far from *Lab Discovera!*
So I saw something in Splatoon 3. I was doing recon for Manta Maria, and there are some ominous looking clouds in the distance. Maybe for Big Run?
Here’s my idea the Master crown is a Reincarnation of the doom to be fecto Elfilis/IDF86 that the master crown could be the True form of this creature and the master crown when it died turned into fecto Elfilis and the city background makes so much more sense when you take a step back and realize that this place could be the very forgotten land in the most recent non Kirby game remaster so we got some pieces to connect the dots to explain the lore of everything we know about kirby
nah fecto elfilis been alive chilling before this. so don't work
True. Still curious about this city location. Eh could be something with the haltmann corp since they’ve been known for buildings aswell or just some other human civilization
When Landia broke the ship again, I was all like:
I JUST CLEANED UP THIS MESS. COULD YOU KEEP IT CLEAN FOR LIKE, TEN MINUTES! (The Incredibles)
Maybe is his slogan for his shop, like a mascot, saying his name to anyone who come to buy
7:32 “there is no evil tree”
whispy woods: am i a joke to you???
First I used to say the butterfly of the demon was behind everything… But it was the crown…
This game confirms my theory, that the kirby universe is actually a multiverse. It's why Galacta Knight reappears and how Morpho is an interdimensional diety. So minor things like helper to hero are "canon" and side stories like super kirby clash are also "canon" meaning Aeon Hero Light/Dark are very important
I had a bit of an out-there theory regarding the master crown, and with Return to Dreamland DX being released, some stuff in that solidifies it for me.
My Theory: A primordial version of Zero two was sealed inside the Master Crown
My reasoning:
1. As mentioned in the video, the crown does move around, somewhat implying something is inside it.
2. In Magalor's second phase when his health is halfway depleted, along with Magolor Soul for its whole fight has the same eye in its mouth that resembles Zero two's (Dark red with a black pupil), and in Return to Dreamland DX, the true arena has an exclusive phase 2 for Magolor Soul, where his white eyes disappear and his mouth eye remains, similar to when Kirby and Ribbon encounter Zero Two
3. When the Master crown takes its own form at the end of the Magolor epilogue, its drill-like roots and its wreath halo on top of its head bear some resemblance to Zero Two (Zero Two has a spike on its underside that looks plant-like (resembling a cactus), and is (for all I know) the only boss that has a halo)
4. This one seems like an out-there detail, but the jewel in the master crown (lighting might've screwed with me in this part) has a similar coloring to the crystal from Kirby 64, which Zero Two and its Dark Matter minions were trying to seek out and get rid of
If I got something wrong, kindly correct me, although I'm not an expert on Kirby lore, so I'm probably likely to get something wrong
Who else wants to see Kirby's Return to Dreamland 2??? Maybe part of an extended series? Could be so cool!