Where Is The FUTURE Of Bass Fishing Headed? (Ft. Hunter Shryock)
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- Опубліковано 13 вер 2023
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With all the talk about forward facing sonar lately, where do you think the sport of bass fishing goes from here?
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One major overlooked issue is sponsorship “blackmail”. No electronics sponsored pro will speak out against the people who put food on their table. They aren’t able to speak their minds without significant repercussions. This isn’t to say these companies are evil or putting undue pressure on the anglers they sponsor, it is just a catch 22.
I love what FFS can do, but it's honestly a rich mans game.. Kayak fishing has actually made me appreciate the water way more.
I think the sport of kayak fishing is already off the chain. Trolling motors, power poles, multiple screens, FFS, guys have well over $10,000 kayaks fully outfitted. Ridiculous!!!
High end anything is a rich man’s game. Ffs isn’t really that expensive and it’s easily the cheapest thing on a bass boat
@@devinwillis7787😂 bro the onli thing you need on a bass boat to fish is a fishing rod my man dont get confuse by all those bigger fishermen out there ...
All those anker/motor/sonar are just other tools to make it easy but it's not necessary at all
@@river_sensei that was my point. Competition at the top level of anything requires a lot of money. Doesn’t cost hardly anything to go have a fun day if that’s what you’re looking for
Idk, you don’t hear many people complaining about FFS because they can’t catch fish or win tournaments. It comes mainly from a conservation stand point and what it is doing to bass fishing in general not just tournament wise. It really hurts your big breeder fish and doesn’t give some fish a chance to hide or evade anglers. Also Hunter brought up how FFS just gives an advantage to someone who was willing to work hard to learn the electronics, which is all fine and dandy but from an viewer standpoint I’d rather watch someone work hard to improve their raw fishing ability rather than someone who worked hard to watch a screen and figure out how to read it. The phrase just get with the times should never be followed in my opinion. It is an excuse to just accept something and never gives a reason why you should or shouldn’t. It’s a quick fix phrase that usually people use when they know their opinion isn’t the best or doesn’t solve a problem. I love your guys content and I think Shryock is a very good angler. I also understand that you really do have to use FFS to compete in todays day and age, but that doesn’t mean it is not good for bass fishing or aquatic species in general. It really is, as randy says, spotlighting for deer. Except that FFS is legal.
Listen before I start watching this video. I just want to throw it out there that watching fishing tournaments nowadays is not that entertaining because of forward facing sonar. Not because of the technology. But because the anglers are no longer interacting with the camera or speaking out loud or going through steps and processes out loud and getting their way of breaking down bodies of water or situations. Nowadays it's just them standing on the front of a boat looking down at their feet. I understand the technology I respect the technology. And I don't hate it. I'm just saying for a viewer that has been watching fast tournaments live on their websites and not only just on highlights on TV. It has made watching these tournaments dull for lack of a better term 🤷🏾♂️
I’ve been saying this from the start. I don’t think FFS is cheating by any means but I used to love watching tournaments on TV . The entertainment value in professional fishing has dropped off dramatically.
What about no practice events with FFS? IMO that would be interesting to watch because you would have the ability to watch anglers break down bodies of water and it might bring some more entertainment value. I also think it would make it more of a race to the finish. Obviously they would need to select lakes that the tours don’t have as much history on or places they have never been.
The helmets fighter pilots wear have technology builtin that causes the plane to maneuver in the direction the pilot moves his/her head. Someday, elite anglers will wear glasses which react to eye movements or voice commands to control the trolling motor and electronic tools at their disposal. Maybe with this kind of heads up display the anglers will become more interactive like they used to be. Just a thought!
The PRO is no longer in Pro Bass fishing. Its dallor bills and electronics.
It’s been expensive for years. It’s nothing new. Ffs is the cheapest thing on the boat. If you don’t have money you can’t make it in any sport not just fishing
Since so many people are targeting fish off the bank with FFS. I’m waiting for the day when shallow fishing gets really good again. Hasn’t happened yet though.
Them fish will get more pressure orientation
Great video as always keepem coming guys!!!
I also think professional bass fishing has become less relatable unless you own high tech equipment like FFS or spot lock. In the 2000s, many more people could afford basic side imaging and a normal cable operated foot trolling motor.
I stopped watching pro tournaments on tv when it’s a FFS tournament. It’s about like hunting deer from a helicopter. Let’s you find them faster or find them at all and also allows you to follow them.
“I’m not for it or against it…I don’t rely on it. I can do well with it or without it...” What a crock of an answer.
All I heard was I can’t voice an opinion because I can’t upset my sponsors
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Good stuff as always.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks for watching
I think it’s cool that with FFS you can pull up and see if there’s fish in the area. But I’m not a big fan of casting to single fish and watching it all on a screen.
I would also like to know if you are correct that forward facing sonar pushes the fish away because if you ask wheeler he thinks it draws them in
I don't see the difference between watching a guy fishing forward facing or flip 50 trees or make a 100 pitches into matted grass mat
Anglers fishing for smallmouth up north have been staring at 2D screens all day for years. In BASS events. So have I fishing jigging spoons in fall and winter, way before Livescope. So that won't change.
Those kids out of college may one day have to beat the banks, depending on how the debate goes and whether the fish adapt. But the old ways are gone. Like when fishermen discovered most of the fish were not on the bank.
We have gone from fishing to catching! It won’t be long and we will see fishermen wearing heads-up displays. But hey, I’m just a grouchy old man because I don’t like what electronics is doing to fishing. Good thing is I can still enjoying fishing for what it is, and let you professionals do your thing.
What about the fisheries as whole, is this sustainable if people are meat eating? Should limits be change?
Question : Can an amateur fisherman that’s good with his live scope and competes in the local weekend tournaments beat a pro 1 vs 1 if the pro is not allowed to use livescope ?
Wonderful question and depending on the season I think yes! And that sucks and should be the main reason it should be outlawed in professional bass fishing.
Depends on the lake and the time of year but I still think that’s a stretch.
Wish they could come back to the delta here in Louisiana and Venice... don't need ffs there 😅swamp land ...
78 and still fishing. Will NEVER watch these so called pros again. Video gaming is more like it.
This is what happens when you put millions in a sport like this. I've enjoy fishing my Kayak tournaments, but the fish caught on the pro circuit are impressive.
Technology is only going to get better. You'll eventually have integrated AI to trek the type of fish and weight, underwater definition video and clearer radar signature. Might as well take a net to an aquarium. The future isn't going to get better for the fans it will be boredom as bags will be bigger and bigger because of technology.
@@bassdojo3925there’s no point in fishing if tech does everything for you. I don’t think that will ever happen. I wonder if they have gone as for as they can with tech. Other than making the images better or improving the tech that all ready exist. I’m not sure where else there is to go.
@@bassdojo3925I have active target. I find it hard to believe guys catch anything using it. It’s not as easy as it looks.
Most of the time you cast to a fish and they won’t bite. Still have to make them bite. Then there’s the issue of boat control. The beam is really narrow. If your cast missed by a foot . You can’t see your bait. By the time your bait reaches the bottom. The fish is gone or the bow of your boat drifted of. Interesting I often see see right below the boat that were not there at first. They seem to be attracted to the boat. But fish that close usually won’t bite. Or maybe many of the are not Bass.
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Will forward facing sonar cause overfishing in the untouched bass in open water? You had to find those fish in the past by casting to those fish based on relation to structure or finding bait fish balls. Those fish should still be the ones found based on where these fish should be and the ones that tip the tournament scales to the guys that find them withdrawal it the technology.
My electronics are worth more than my bass tracker, get your priorities in line people 😂
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!!!MEAT EATERS!!!
The tech is amazing. Being able to learn quicker is amazing. But with more fisherman on the water and inevitably some are meat eaters. That's what really bothers me the affect or lack of studies on the affects of ffs on the fisheries.. I could care less if Bass Live is boring.
MEAT EATERS WILL DECIMATE a lot of the small waters we all fish on?????
So it’s more of a eating what you catch than FFS?
Excellent podcast. A great balanced approach to the topic at hand. Would love to see Matt Stefan or BLatt on here.
You point is exactly correct. It’s not hard to make FFS interesting to watch by split screening the sonar and angler. What is more boring than watching a guy make a hundred casts down a bank? Smart real time editing by experienced TV producers is what makes for an interesting tv show …
I've worked for Bass Pro for a while, across many states. When I saw this come out. After being a college athlete. It's a cheat. It's always been a cheat. You are taking "skill" completely out of fishing. These kids aren't Rolland M... They can't site fish... the people I see buy this stuff... smh they aren't anyone I would spend 2 hours fishing in a remote pond together... that being said. It's a hell of a piece of equipment. The fish really don't stand a chance.
On a different note, and he actually said what alot of us have said. Why is Bass, Toyota series, ect. Always using the same lakes. Has never made sense. You don't have the same team schedule every year in any sport. Your schedule is random.
Ffs has shown me how many fish I'm fishing around and not catching 😅
Not only do I not relate to throwing a ned rig in 40’ of clear water, I don’t plan on owning forward facing sonar. So I’m definitely not watching those tournaments. Also not watching UA-cam vids showing me how to get better at that technique using FFS. 🤷🏻♂️
All of us up north don’t relate to ledge fishing, fishing largemouth in the grass they have in Florida, fishing for dinks on the Sabine but we still tune in
@@devinwillis7787 I’m in eastern pa. We don’t have ledges or big grass or really even that big of bass. But I don’t really even look at my own basic electronics so watching someone else watching their electronics just isn’t interesting to me.
@@pdfahie watching live is mostly boring most places. I much prefer the anglers own content and highlights of live. The last thing I want to do is watch someone throw a jig for 8 hours for 5 bites
@@devinwillis7787 agreed. A few years ago I was much more likely to watch a tournament on television. Now I’m mostly a UA-cam watcher. Since I got the commercial free UA-cam, it’s the majority of what I watch.
If everything we thought we knew is going out the window then why did we catch fish all those years by not knowing what we were doing I don't think so. I think it's pretty arrogant for some of these guys to make statements like that, just to justify spotlighting fish
not allowed in tournament
What people don’t realize is the main state of people that buy the lures rods reels that you all promote are just common people that cannot afford forward facing solar we have $30-$35,000 bass boats and making payments but yet we are the ones that you sell all your lures and equipment tothink about 18:04
I'm thinking catch and release is creating too many educated bass.
Live needs a face lift 15:00
What people don’t realize is the main state of people that buy the lures rods reels that you all promote are just common people that cannot afford forward facing solar we have $30-$35,000 bass boats and making payments but yet we are the ones that you sell all your lures and equipment tothink about
FFS IS B.S takes the fun out of fishing
No one talks about the bottom line of the electronics companies. They are trying to help us as anglers and make a living as they go. Every successful company does the same thing. Banning new technology is just plain foolish. Fish the way you fish and if the new stuff helps you, great. I still have success using grubs, tubes and worms with an occasional hard bait mixed in. Nope, I can't afford the new stuff but it is because I don't WANT to afford it. Fishing is a hobby for me. Not a necessity
Here’s the issue. Using ffs takes away from the actual even of fishing. Playing a monitor takes away from the hunt. You no longer need to know what a bass will do in different seasons. All you have to do is go find them with forward facing sonar there is no more need to know how to find out what the pattern is for the day how to find out what bait and color is working how to find out where they will be. All you Gotta do is go look at the screen then you just sit there and fish the damn screen like it’s a game it is the most boring thing to watch and if you were to take that person out on the lake and ask him to go find the fish because they’ve been focusing so much on Ford facing sonar they have the biggest problem finding the fish the right way. Just look at bass geeks channel. I loved his channel and watching him try to find the bass with the technique and lures he was recommending now I can’t watch his channel because when he’s fishing, he’s just staring at the screen that guy went from being a good fisherman to just fishing the screen, 100% of the time on his UA-cam it is the dumbest thing he could’ve done yet. He did it because it’s easier for him to catch fish now what about the people out there that watch his channel and don’t half forward facing sonar now we get nothing from that. What’s the point in watching the channel this is the same thing with tournaments, anybody can come in with the technology and learn real quick how to use it doesn’t take a long time to learn how to use forward facing sonar you no longer need to know how to fish it’s ridiculous
So the bait companies are going to suffer. All you need to buy are flat worms?
While I don’t think FFS is a bad thing. Professional bass fishing is a lot more boring to watch with the introduction of FFS. That combined with everything being “live” makes Bassmaster less appealing. Back in the early 2000s the 1 hr Bassmaster episodes were entertaining and full of drama.
Ban it and level the field payouts haven’t changed but cost to play the game has quadrupled
I keep hearing some guys talking like this about learning what took others a lifetime and the younger pro's doing it in a couple years . Please explain what exactly they are learning ? Leaning how to watch the fish and react to the bait? When to change bait by the fact the fish arent reacting to what they present??? What exactly are they learning in 2 years? If you took FFS away those who rely solely on FFS wouldnt even be in the running. So instead of bashing those who dont think it should be in competition why dont 1 of you explain what it is that is learned in 2 years because personally what I have stated is the basics of using FFS. You dont look for structure with it. You dont find then with it. You use SI and DI for that and all you are doing after you find them is watching how they react!! If they react positive and there is a large group you fish it till it plays out, if they dont react or group is small you move on. Common Sense stuff but NO SKILL. PLEASE EXPLAIN WHAT IS LEARNED IN 2 YEARS!!!
Ban FFS! We want to see real action and skill on the water!
If it's used to study and learn bass behavior to educate ffs can be a wonderful tool. But when it's used to pull up find the fish and look at a screen it's not fishing it's playing a video game. It also brings a unfair advantage to the people in tournaments that can't afford ffs .
Yeah, that’s exactly what we want. We tune in to fishing and we’re given just more screen time. Y’all are out of touch.
Someone finally said it. It’s not FFS that makes for bad tv. It’s smallmouth tournaments that make it hard to watch. Being out in huge water, no land in sight. In general that’s not relatable to most everyday fishermen.
An angler out there in the middle of nowhere dropping on fish…..what’s the difference whether he’s looking at the screen or looking around at thousands of acres of water? None to me
And anglers complaining about FFS because they don’t take the time to learn for small mouth fisheries, and they finish horrible for AOY…. Totally agree
I believe the ratings are down because of FFS. I'm a living example. I used to follow BASS and MLF religiously. Not anymore. I quit watching about a year and a half ago exclusively because of how boring it is watching guys fish FFS. And its not just that....its the fact that everybody is doing the same thing. It doesnt get more mundane than that. Knowing exactly how all these guys are going to fish on championship Sunday is extremely boring as hell. No intrigue. No ingenuity. No mystery. If FFS is not the reason that ratings are down then I'd really like to know what the reason is. I think it generally points to one thing.
hard disagree. this is the same thing as feed hunt. Go to a farm, have deer come to feed, and you shoot those deer. Let FFS be fore the weekend angler. Pro angler should be showcasing their SKILL, not ability to afford a rich man tv. Rating goes down not because of SMB, but because it's boring; saying its SMB is just copium
Ffs is the cheapest thing on a pro anglers boat. They probably have more money in jigs than what it costs.
Taking away ffs will not change what a smallmouth tournament looks like. Guys have been standing in 40 feet of water with no land in sight staring at nothing for years
It will eventually be bad for the fisheries and should be banned at a state level. They will come down in price everybody will have them including people that eat them.
Come on you guys get money cover the sponsor people the one to pay for it plus no fun it's boring I promised you most of those guys win with the ffs if you told them fish without sonar the results will be not the same
So another words a so-called pro is going to have a short career.
You guys don’t get it your trying to justify making bass fishing a video game most guys don’t want that.
Most guys who fish don't do it for money. If you do, you need forward facing sonar.. it's up to MLF or B.A.S.S. to ban the technology and they won't..
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All ffs does is help keep boat and lure on location. Does nothing for catching
Locating fish that would otherwise not be located is the most important thing in fishing. Being able to cast at most of the population of fish in a body water can’t be a good thing for the fishery.
I'm sorry but as a fan I don't watch you all anymore, it's boring. Some advice, quit dogging the guy's who preferred watching Denny brauer flip a jungle than watching people stare at a screen.
I don't think it's fun to watch someone, just flipping a jig or worm. It's boring to sit and watch someone just throw a swimjig or bladed jig. If the FFS is the problem it would have been the problem 2 to 3 years ago. I think the biggest problem is the viewer demographics has changed. I used a flasher years ago with the transducer turn up on my trolling motor years ago. You could get sonar returns and figure out that fish were suspended.
No one watches anymore. I don’t. To boring and hurting our fish. Ban it
With the doomsday scenario y’all laid down maybe FFS isn’t such a good idea