Dissecting Apologetics | Shabir Ally on "Is Islam the Truth?"

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  • @ApostateAladdin
    @ApostateAladdin  3 роки тому +38

    20:27 I forgot to mention his wisdom isn't making a case for his prophethood or divinity of the message. If anything, it shows that he could've been wise enough to manipulate people for political gain
    That's not proof of him being a con-man, but none of this was proof of his prophethood

    • @uzbabo
      @uzbabo 3 роки тому +3

      Shabir Ally brings up Islamic sources to prove divinity of prophet Muhammad.
      But does he know that according to North Korean sources, when Kim Jong Il died their holly mountain turned red, and birds flew over his casket 3 times with drooped heads, and fishes cried, etc? Should we accept those facts and acknowledge Kim’s divinity as well? I don’t think so.

    • @ApostateAladdin
      @ApostateAladdin  3 роки тому +3

      @@jmah5553 you can throw around the word "gaslight" but yoh havent addressed how i gaslit a dead person, or anyone else. Nothing said about what you think is wrong with my commentary
      Sorry i dont recall a useless fact about the number of surahs in the quran after years of leaving? As if most muslims in the world can even pronounce quran, let alone memorize it, or know that number by heart

    • @uzbabo
      @uzbabo 3 роки тому +2

      @@jmah5553 that’s not the point of my response. The point is, Shabir Ally brings up Islamic sources as true, Kims brings up NK sources as true. Both are one sided.

    • @uzbabo
      @uzbabo 3 роки тому +5

      @@jmah5553 wrong analogy. I wasn’t saying Shabir Ally bringing up Arab sources (like Chinese, or Greek) but Islamic sources. How can you honestly judge entire Arab history (pre and post Islamic era) thru Islamic sources only? It’s as if judging the whole European history only thru Christian lenses.
      Dude, I am Muslim but I ain’t brain dead.

    • @edwardtimothy3581
      @edwardtimothy3581 2 роки тому +1

      @@jmah5553 what?🤣

  • @jemts5586
    @jemts5586 2 місяці тому +2

    I used to listen to Shabir Ally when I first converted, but after I left, I lost respect for him, unfortunately. I don't know how he can stay in a religion he's studied in-depth, and seen all the flaws and contradictions, yet still follow it. I guess its hard to leave when you're such a prominent figure, and after so many years.

  • @Almuhsin98653
    @Almuhsin98653 3 роки тому +17

    Amazing series. Love that you dissected this video. When I used to hve major doubts back in my believing days I would watch this exact video thinking it was convincing 😅

  • @theaviationist.5719
    @theaviationist.5719 3 роки тому +32

    I just can't believe I use to be convinced of these kinds of childish and simplistic assertions when I was a muslim.
    And back in 2010 is when I discovered Shabir Ally, I used to absolutely adore his style, but by 2016 I had started to find all of it very weak and cringeworthy..

  • @MimzyVidz
    @MimzyVidz 3 роки тому +20

    This is another fantastic video! ♥️

    • @quiestwho4363
      @quiestwho4363 3 роки тому +3

      Hey Mimzy ! I hope you're doing well. Happy new year to you all there.

    • @MimzyVidz
      @MimzyVidz 3 роки тому +5

      @@quiestwho4363 heyy! Thank you 😊 same to you x

  • @Vlogs_Dharma
    @Vlogs_Dharma 3 роки тому +16

    In my Teens I was heavily Influneced by Zakir Naik ; my Muslim friends from College shared a lot of Video's of his Discourses on Interfaith ; On Q & A"s ; Debates ; and many other Topics like Science in Quran etc etc and it was always fearful to think if i don't take to this Religion I will burn in Hell Fire inspite of fact I could see no Spirituality in any of his Discourses ... ; But thanks to Internet we can now Scrutinizingly analyse things and make decisions not based on Propaganda and Falsified Narrtaive we have more options to verify such misleading practices..

  • @SecularRarity
    @SecularRarity 3 роки тому +15

    I really love your stuff man! You always make such great videos! 🔥

  • @klodius8588
    @klodius8588 3 роки тому +8

    Thanks. Great work again Aladdin.

  • @Laura-xn8mi
    @Laura-xn8mi 3 роки тому +5

    Your content and work is truly commendable. Hardly ever do I see both lucidity and respectfulness in other commentaries on the matter :) you are one of a kind.
    Ps. Your voice is incredibly soothing!

  • @martinbouhenna8019
    @martinbouhenna8019 3 роки тому +16

    If the monotheism is the proof of a truth it means the Zoroastrianism is also the right religion they have one prophet and one god. On top of that, they pray and fast as Muslims, i believe that the Islam copied the prayer and fasting from Zoroastrianism.

    • @mental9453
      @mental9453 Рік тому +6

      True. There are many monotheistic religions which died because they were non violent.

  • @ahmedaldarwish9102
    @ahmedaldarwish9102 3 роки тому +19

    When I listen to Shapir Ally, he doesn't strike me as a con cleric. It's just his thinking process is so fallacious and blind. I'm sure, AA, you've met some shiekhs who are like "Sorry, it is what it is. God's ordain. Can't do anything about it." I think he's one of those helpless apologetics.

  • @adonai7187
    @adonai7187 3 роки тому +3

    Such candid appraisal from Alladin.
    Thanks man. I enjoyed the show though I wasn't on time at its start.

  • @brotherben4357
    @brotherben4357 3 роки тому +7

    17:00 Fantastic point

  • @AS-jj4dv
    @AS-jj4dv 3 роки тому +18

    It is interesting to note that islamic apologetics like to quote books written 30+ years ago by authors lacking impartiality and intellectual honesty, be it the book of bucaille on so-called quranic miracles (1976), or michael hart’s The 100: a ranking of the most influential persons in history (1978) - guess who is the most influential person? -, or keith moore’s book on embryology, 1983, (with islamic sections by abdul-majeed a. zindani), or ling's Biography of muhammad, published in 1983, or the Be careful with muhammad, written by the gas chamber advocate shabbir akhtar (1989) in the aftermath of the rushdie affair. As example, moore's book* was written when bucaillism was popularised, with devastating consequences on the islamic theology, thanks to the new oil money pouring into islamic autocratic regimes (especially saudia arabia), money which actively was used to spread, by all means including by these books and many others, fundamental islam throughout the world.
    * In 2002, moore declined to be interviewed by the Wall Street Journal on the subject of his work on islam, stating that it's been ten or eleven years since I was involved in the quran.

  • @inbb510
    @inbb510 3 роки тому +15

    If vague verses in the Qur'an wildly interpreted can make someone a prophet, then who are the astrologists that correctly calculate and predict the dates, locations, lengths and shapes of the solar eclipses?

    • @YEY0806
      @YEY0806 10 місяців тому +1

      Muslims: "Only God knows in Mysterious Ways 😂"

    • @fareskoura630
      @fareskoura630 9 місяців тому +4

      Nasa is a prophet

  • @ernestschroeder9762
    @ernestschroeder9762 3 роки тому +4

    Like your intro, very cool.

  • @nocturneuh
    @nocturneuh 2 роки тому +26

    So is Islam a religion for fluent Arabic speaking mathematicians? Not exactly what you'd characterize as 'inclusive.'

  • @happycamper9289
    @happycamper9289 3 роки тому +5

    Thank you! Love your videos

  • @zaraj3108
    @zaraj3108 3 роки тому +10

    strange - youtube didn’t show me this even when i went to ur channel and clicked “newest videos”. I found it from when u posted about the bidet lol.

    • @ApostateAladdin
      @ApostateAladdin  3 роки тому +6

      Something is glitchy :/

    • @mental9453
      @mental9453 Рік тому

      ​@@ApostateAladdinI believe UA-cam is being controlled by Oil dwellers. A number of fantastic UA-cam channels like yours and Nabi Asli don't get much views because of the UA-cam Algo budging to Islamic god

    • @Mohamed58290
      @Mohamed58290 5 місяців тому +1

      Allah is doing his thing 😂

  • @Osiris2021
    @Osiris2021 3 роки тому +8

    Nice and short 😁

    • @ApostateAladdin
      @ApostateAladdin  3 роки тому +14

      It's all relative, like allah uses his own time scale

    • @AS-jj4dv
      @AS-jj4dv 3 роки тому +1

      Just consider the timeline of the "creation" by god (approximate time in billion years), and you may immediately suspect the absurdity of divine creationism, and of the total failure of the communication policy by the gods, and by allah and best planner. We humans (at least all atheists) are impatiently waiting that god shows up in a clear way.
      Start of the universe: 13.77; formation of the earth: 4.54; emergence of life: 4.0 (direct evidence: 3.5); appearance of multicellular life: 0.5; humanoids: 0.003; arrival of humans/homo sapiens: 0,0002; first "civilisations": 0,00001; jesus with new testament: 0,000002; muhammad with the quran and submission to allah (“final” revelation); except joseph smith 0,0000014, or L. Ron Hubbard: 0,0000002 or some other underrated prophets.

  • @richardbradley1532
    @richardbradley1532 3 роки тому +7

    The reason most believers believe is because of their parents and community.

  • @fredmac1000
    @fredmac1000 8 місяців тому +2

    Thank you 🙏🙏🌷🌷👏

  • @locococo7362
    @locococo7362 3 роки тому +10

    Another problem with his "proofs" is that another religion could make the same kind of claims. So... multiple religions are true ? That cannot work.

  • @tulpas93
    @tulpas93 5 місяців тому +2

    If Muhammed wrote the Qur'an and not some perfect, almighty deity, we would expect the book to contain instances where the revelations frequently appeared to favor Mohammad's personality, desires, and immediate circumstances.
    Oh, wait, the Qur'an is littered with examples of exactly that! 😮

  • @Mohamed58290
    @Mohamed58290 5 місяців тому +2

    No one in my life could give me a single convincing reason to why they believe in islam even scholars don’t know why they believe i will tell you why i believed because my family taught me this is the right way but growing up i just realised that i really don’t know why i believe and no matter how much i try to prove that the quran is from god i fail i just gave up and faced the hard truth that my life was full of lies im happy that i came to this conclusion because if i didn’t you will find me to this day begging an invisible man to help me when he can’t even talk back to me

  • @carlose5751
    @carlose5751 3 роки тому +4

    Just came to comment and feed the algorithm

    • @hans471
      @hans471 3 роки тому

      You naughty one!

    • @hans471
      @hans471 3 роки тому

      😉

  • @ad-qb7vm
    @ad-qb7vm 3 роки тому +7

    In statistics, if you conduct several analyses on some measure, you have to reduce your p-value accordingly to account for a significant finding that may have come about by chance, simply because you were just seeing if something sticks without a prior hypothesis. In looking for Quranic miracles or "signs of God", I wonder how many shots were totally missed and never discussed before finding the supposed "mathematical intricacies" or other similar miracles. The fact that those "miracles" even exist is pure chance but you'd never find any intellectual muslim talking about that.

  • @tulpas93
    @tulpas93 5 місяців тому +1

    The sincerity of a person's beliefs has absolutely no bearing whatsoever on the veracity or truth content of those beliefs.
    For all we know, Mohammed could have believed what he was saying was beyond reproach, so what?
    We could say the same for believers in Horus, Thor, Erlik, Däl, Batara Sambu, Ashtart, Inanna, Ukko, and thousands of others.
    "Get in line!"

  • @aemiliadelroba4022
    @aemiliadelroba4022 Рік тому +2

    This Muslim apologist starts with false assumptions , “ there are many monotheistic religions which believe in one God … therefore Islam !😮
    All Abrahamic religions are based on a supernatural being responsible for creating and his world and the master of this world and therefore we must obey Him , !
    No evidence and proof given ,
    Who created the world ? Must be this God then ….
    Why ?
    These so called “ prophets “ who claim they talk to this God …. How do we know ?
    😮

  • @percy832
    @percy832 5 місяців тому +1

    Why is Islam the end? And who got to decide this? Wouldn't be other muslims by any chance? 😅

  • @loloyolo574
    @loloyolo574 3 роки тому +2

    Hi Aladdin. Could you do a video of the prophecies and your thoughts on them.

  • @SaintMatthieuSimard
    @SaintMatthieuSimard 3 роки тому +6

    58:51 Jesus, what he does is key to human dignity. The epic is formidable and it solutions a lot of stuff that kept society behind, allowing it to go ahead at last. Imagine. The creator, making an avatar, fully autonomous, that comes around and tells us we are his brothers and sisters then challenging the establishment whether it's ritual establishment or the cultural elites. He made them lose face by proving to everybody that they aren't anybody's friend and would let a sinless man be sacrificed only for the tradition and for politics, bring human lives at a higher value than both. That's the ultimate Stoical point that he made. Epictetus would nod in sign of approval. God went down on the land of the living and restituted the dignity that human mores obstructed. And again, on a Spinozean point of view, he made us all God's associate. 8 billions protagonists. Like antiquity heroes but better. That's something necessary in order to remove corruption from the world. The effect will fully be felt when everybody will get all the nuances and figure it all out and understand why and how honesty and integrity matters and how togetherness is key.
    In a world where tyrants pretended to be "gods", now it's the meek and the wise that can claim their value and say we all are God's associates. We're family. Listen up how epic it is. Creator joined the creature level and gave us the same value than him. Then he delivered the spirit which was obstructed by human mores and customs. He built the 3rd temple which we all are the columns holding the roof and our duty is to keep it cozy and warm for the future generations and those of today and keep the legend of our species going. While religion excluded humans from any of the 3 corners of the tetragrammaton, sort of speaking, Jesus included us in the "son" corner, which corresponds to the creation, and he delivered the spirit, and the spirit corner unites both father and son and Jesus returned, on a puffy cloud, I imagine him like Sun Goku, happy puffy cloud, over all the happy little trees, and rejoined with the creator level, in heaven, which seemingly is immaterial. I guess the idea of heaven is hard to conceive. It's supposed to be somewhat an eternity of admiration and awes and plenitude. Not only did Jesus seal the Tetragrammaton in its final form, but he included us in it and we can access the top level simply by being faithful and honest and maybe very intuitive, seeking natural truths of the creation and sitting at his desk and learning from life and passionning from it. Basically. Spinoza. I bet Jesus and Spinoza are enjoying a grog of ambrosia with Buddha and Thor in Heaven right now. And Moses is telling them: "moderately, bruhs, moderately!"

  • @MaryamMaqdisi
    @MaryamMaqdisi 2 дні тому

    There's a lot of comments and I don't know if someone already mentioned it but the myth of Muhammad being illiterate was a later innovation, the Qur'an itself supports the notion of a literate population as it mentions writing and such, and although there's still a lot of archaeology to be done we already know of pre Islamic prayers and poetry being written before that, so even from that point of view the apologist is wrong

  • @amenerstugard1894
    @amenerstugard1894 3 роки тому +2

    It is FANTASTIC to see people leaving islam, which means they UNDERSTAND what islam is. The general movement of folks going fast away from these toxic, primitive "religions" is the best thing happening in this world right now. One day ALL religions are just odd part of history of ancient stupidity of human kind. That'll be the day! 🙂😃🙃

  • @richardbradley1532
    @richardbradley1532 3 роки тому +2

    His comments are so general that, say, a Mormon, could re-use his script almost word for word.

    • @cc8048
      @cc8048 8 місяців тому +1

      they have already lol

  • @brotherben4357
    @brotherben4357 3 роки тому +4

    Missed it. How did it go?

  • @danny6276
    @danny6276 3 роки тому +4

    56:41 "Testament" means "covenant". The new covenant was demonstrated on the cross. It was prophesied in the old testament that God would do this:
    Isaiah 43:18-19
    18“Forget the former things;
    do not dwell on the past.
    19See, I am doing a new thing!
    Now it springs up; do you not perceive it?
    and about his servant, it's written:
    Isaiah 50:5-6
    5 The Sovereign Lord has opened my ears;
    I have not been rebellious,
    I have not turned away.
    6 I offered my back to those who beat me,
    my cheeks to those who pulled out my beard;
    I did not hide my face from mocking and spitting.

  • @disguiseddogie7954
    @disguiseddogie7954 3 роки тому

    Can you do a video talking about the miracle verse how iron in the middle of earth and also the chapter is also in the middle.

  • @hans471
    @hans471 3 роки тому +3

    The Quran has an even number of surahs (114) hence there is no middle surah 🤓

  • @arifmohammed7832
    @arifmohammed7832 9 місяців тому

    When history was written

  • @mannymanito1787
    @mannymanito1787 Рік тому +1

    hi everyone in the comments

  • @hans471
    @hans471 3 роки тому +1

    Another grear video! I like those dissection type videos 👍☕🫖 you find an error/Problem every second sentence 😅

  • @Hamza000h
    @Hamza000h 3 роки тому

    I suggest you look into the mathematical structure of the Quran. DR shabir has explained the many instances, not from a simple angle, but even a very complex one. Before you pull up one and try to refute, look at all of them that Dr Shabir has highlighted in his debates and videos. Even in his recent debate on modern day debate. Analyse them, and try to refute them. This is a challenge for me. Present it in a suitable manner and we will show it to Dr Shabir Ally for a response.

    • @pandawandas
      @pandawandas Рік тому +1

      I suggest you look into the mathematical structure of the Bible. Look up 'Truth is Christ' on UA-cam and look at his study of the pattern of 7 in the Bible. It's even more impressive than Shabir's examples. Does this mean that the Bible is true?
      No, because both are based on inconsistent counting methods trying to find a hit and ignoring the misses. Look up the 'Texas Sharpshooter Fallacy'. Then look up 'the miracle of 19 in the 19th chapter of the Book of Mormon, which has a stronger 19 miracle than the Qur'an because the 19th chapter's total characters are actually divisible by 19 - whereas in the Qur'an they are not.

  • @Hamza000h
    @Hamza000h 3 роки тому

    Also when you understand the compilation of the Quran then youll know people couldnt gradually compile it adding in a mathematical structure

    • @pandawandas
      @pandawandas Рік тому +1

      this is only if you blindly accept the traditional Islamic narrative. but why would you do that when it depends on oral traditions compiled 200 years after the prophet's alleged date of death?

  • @shobhitgupta56
    @shobhitgupta56 3 роки тому +2

    Prophet Aladdin 😂

    • @tulpas93
      @tulpas93 5 місяців тому

      Fortunately, AA isn't dumb enough to believe in prophecy or insulting enough to assume his subscribers are that gullible.

  • @AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen
    @AbdulHannanAbdulMatheen 3 роки тому +3

    👏🙂

  • @DomainofKnowlegdia
    @DomainofKnowlegdia Рік тому +1

    if you believe Yesu was Mashiach that is up to faith.

    • @ApostateAladdin
      @ApostateAladdin  Рік тому

      I don't

    • @DomainofKnowlegdia
      @DomainofKnowlegdia Рік тому

      @@ApostateAladdin hello how are you I'm a Muslim but I agree with most of the stuff you say just curious to listen your side. A lot of people in west believe if you have doubts in Islam then you are a ex-Muslim or if an ex-Muslim sympathizes with Islam then he is a Muslim I'm a skeptic, but I have empathy for good ex Muslims and non-Muslims and Muslims who are sincere and honest I don't like deceivers and hateful people. The hadith literature can be viewed with skepticism there is a lot of stuff we don't know from prophets life I like the historical prophet Muhammad pbuh and prophet Yesu pbuh.

  • @arifmohammed7832
    @arifmohammed7832 9 місяців тому

    Islam is true is political ideology

  • @DomainofKnowlegdia
    @DomainofKnowlegdia Рік тому

    esoteric exegesis of the Quran.

  • @charlo90952
    @charlo90952 Рік тому

    What are you achieving by attacking Islam? There clearly are great societal benefits to the religion. It should be encouraged not attacked. Quibbling about the details is an exercise in futility. You keen talking about proof. What kind of proof would convince you? The answer is none because you don't want to be convinced.

    • @tulpas93
      @tulpas93 5 місяців тому

      If disagreeing with or challenging Islam is "attacking" Islam, it says a lot about its truth claims. This level of unnecessary defensiveness reveals a high level of insecurity.
      Taking AA's videos or the existence of a growing number of Apostates as an "attack" does nothing to support Islam's truth claims. It just looks nervous and paranoid, and not at all confident or righteous. 😢

    • @tulpas93
      @tulpas93 5 місяців тому +1

      I've read the Qur'an and studied Islam for many, many years, and I do not want to be convinced. I wouldn't want to become convinced of any foolish, hateful, misogynistic, homophobic, divisive, outdated, violent, and xenophobic belief systems.
      One of the benefits of analyzing and exposing Islam (not "attacking" it) is so that the gullible don't fall prey to horrid, backward, and inhumane ideas.
      Another benefit is that some Muslims will turn away from Islam before they have children, thereby saving their children from harmful indoctrination and, hopefully, ending the vicious cycle.
      I wish you good health and much happiness! ❤

  • @esamshamoay303
    @esamshamoay303 3 роки тому

    Aladdin it seems Islam has left you with a skeptical narrow mind. When it comes to Jesus Christ, he is historically proven to exist and that he was crucified under Pontius Pilot . Mohammad on the other hand it seems that he was invented by the Abbasid and there was no mention of a city called Mecca at the time of Mohammad according to the islamiccstandaed narrative. Thwcbibke talks about names and places that are proven by history and archeology .

    • @xxursolovelyxxX
      @xxursolovelyxxX Рік тому +5

      really? how's jesus proven to exist im curious?

    • @esamshamoay303
      @esamshamoay303 Рік тому

      @@xxursolovelyxxX Are you another Muslim bankrupt ? Do your own honest research before speaking rubbish. From my own experience, to be a Muslim is to throw their brains under the bus.

    • @HanadGaney
      @HanadGaney 7 місяців тому

      @@xxursolovelyxxX because the Bible says so duh

    • @themadtitan7603
      @themadtitan7603 6 місяців тому +4

      ​@@HanadGaney I don't comment on these types of videos but I felt compelled to post on this one given what I've read, which isn't extensive at all. But apparently historians and scholars generally agree that there was a historical Jesus who preached in Judea during the first century AD and was crucified. It's the divinity, miracles, and virgin birth aspects from the New Testament that have no historical evidence to back them up, and I think that's what the OP might be referring to.
      And allegedly the same goes for the Islamic prophet. Historians tend to agree that he existed but there's little to know for "certain" about his life given most of it comes from Islamic tradition and not historical accounts. Obviously, there no evidence for his prophethood neither.

    • @tulpas93
      @tulpas93 5 місяців тому +1

      Skeptical is not narrow.
      Buying into a belief system is narrow minded.