You kind of mentioned it but I think the color pallet is a big source of the "sameness" problem. The ability to use the exact same color, every single frame, of every episode, for every series, from every studio never existed before digital. With color paint you can order skin tone #387 all you want but it won't be 100% the same batch to batch, year to year. This created a subtle difference in shows and between studios. With digital, skin tone #387 is the same every single time. The options of the color pallet may be far larger in digital than in analog, but in practice it seems like the industry is limiting itself to the exact same colors over and over.
the background of every scene used to be a beautiful hand drawn masterpiece with contrasted colors and detailed shades and shadows because it didnt move at all it was made high quality and immersive but now it look like it was made of one color selected and edited with paint
That's one major point compared to then and now. Those 90's painted backrgrounds had more feel to them, a lot of mood. A lot of backgrounds now are too smooth and cheap feeling, like an rpg maker background.
@AC.507 N what i meant is believable not realistic wrong choice o words ...believable sets you in the mood and atmosphere it doesnt have to be realistic
Then there are people who refuse to watch Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, etc, because *_"it looks old",_* and proceed to watch the latest cheaply produced Light Novel adaptation. **Facepalm**
It's the same with movies. M (1931), The Seventh Seal and Seven Samurai are some of my favourite movies. But you'd struggle to find 5 people on the street that have even heard of any of those. They aren't even obscure.
Too many productions, too little time & budgets. Not including the problems when it comes to outsourcing & its quality control. A bit controversial opinion maybe here. Yes, I do believe digital, CGI & 3D techs should be more utilized to cut time & budgets, but Japanese studios need to implement a better ways to do it, including leaving such backward thinking with 12 frames/second for 3D animation when its clearly resulting in jaggy moveset, unlike 2D that could warp the animation to smooth things out. 3D & 2D are a totally different spectrums of animations. I only see a handful of studios that actually managed to balanced & utilized the combination of 2D-3D techs.
Croz Raven I’ll never understand what the thought process behind making a 3D show run like a slideshow is. And it’s not just Japanese studios that do it either. Dragon Prince season 1 is the exact same. Studio Orange is the only studio that’s totally trustworthy (Polygon is really hit or miss at best) with full CG
Well 3d animation can warp and all The thing is 3d in japan is use for cheap sake and cheap 3d is not great Even the 12fps is probably for budget (render time) But went you see thing like "into the spider verse" or "paperman" and "Deep Canvas technologie" from disney you can see that 3d is absolutly great and 2d/3d mix are totaly okay probably OLM On another note "IA" coloring is coming (the studio that do the pokemon serie probably OLM is researching for using it or already do it) (some exemple here jon-ko.tumblr.com) Ps sorry for my english, it's not my native language
too much topping on the ice cream right? the same goes with video games and movies... everything is superficial and overly done. Who's the fault? Developer or consumer? Consumer of course! Be in movies, animation/anime or video games. The majority of these mediums' fans are menchild with terrible taste. People are getting saturated and going back in time to get that organic feel... Be it in anime, games (retro / indie gaming scene), music or movies. Those who do, have acquired a refined taste for what makes a piece of art and what doesn't and most likely have a significantly higher IQ. Anyway, most call it nostalgia, I call it having brains
@@elijahlee3610 New anime looks flat and bland because it's so hyper clean and homogenized. The little imperfections in the line work of old anime as well as the fact it was on film stock gives it a quality that digital lacks. Design and shading were also better. Everything looks like a bad video game in digital anime. It has no soul.
I think a lot of people have a feeling that the 90s had overall better quality anime, which I'm not disproving, but I think a massive amount of people tend to only remember the good shows, and not mention any of the awful or mediocre shows that aired in that time as well. I think we need to think of the 10s like we're in the year 2030. We won't remember a show like GATE or Ranpo Kitan, but we will remember shows like Mob Psycho 100, Steins;Gate and Dororo. We as fans will compare what we will remember, which is usually only the good, and never the mediocre or the bad. If we are still fans in the year 2030, we will look back at this era of anime in the same way we look back at the 90s right now. So I don't really think anything THAT major has happened, we just forgot.
Also keep in mind there's just more anime being produced now. So we're obviously going to see a huge influx of mediocrity as well. But every year there's at least 10 decent anime to watch. Of course not all of it will appeal to everyone.
Milk is Special but the good animes in the 90’s look better than the good animes of today. Look at ghost in a shell for instance, give me a anime of today thats on par movie wise. Now look at cowboy bebop or something similar and give me a series of today that looks as good. Then the stories where better, more raw and had more at stake, some of these animes are out here with no blood, i dont even think boruto or dragon ball super has blood.
@@AP90x Cherry picking the best of the best doesn't really mean much though. Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop are exceptions. There's plenty of modern anime with spectacular animation too. And there are plenty of great stories too. I'd argue there's more good ones now being released now on average just because of the sheer volume of stuff being produced today.
Ash but the best of the best was in the 90’s. We arent getting content like that anymore. Im saying if u compare the best 90’s animes to the best ones of today, the 90’s animes are better all around. Thats the point im making, show me the best of the best in each generation. That will give u the quickest and best way to compare quality in each era.
That's because in the 80s/90s , Anime was just a medium for story telling, like comics, like movies, like novels. Simple. Now, it's a super-saturated clown fiesta for corporate to funnel waifu merch into your local weaboo's/otaku's "anime room". Unique art style? Compelling Story??? 😂🤣😂🤣
That's really how I feel too, but I think even back then there were (a lot of?) clown fiesta waifu shows, like Tenchi Muyo. And I think storytelling (when it is actually done) has improved since the 90s. I find that older anime tend to disregard consequence a lot of the time. One example is Wing Gundam, where Relena kinda just gets away with a lot of idiocy without punishment. Of course, in the modern day, there are more clown fiesta waifu shows than ever because that shit brings in the profit. Sad but true. But there were plenty of garbage to sift through in the past too.
@@urallnoobs8943 Have you heard of Legend Of The Galactic Heroes? It's really great. The only problem about the anime (which can be ignored), is that it sometimes switches animations because the budget was low for the creators.
@@urallnoobs8943 The original Tenchi Muyo OVA had a great, imaginative, story and the animation quality was higher than most things out there. It basically invented the harem anime genre, so you can't call it unoriginal. The problem is then they tried to milk the franchise with the 2 TV series which were both horrible, a couple of mediocre movies, and god only knows what other defacement. The OVA was a gem. The same is true for the El Hazard series (again - great OVA, but everything else was pure rubbish). My problem with modern anime is the lack of quality of the art. If you look at the crisp shapes and rich coloring of things like Claymore and Berserk, and compare them to the mono-colored amorphous blob characters that change shape every frame in modern anime. You can't blame technology for the change either. One of the first times I saw the new crappy anime style was the later episodes of the original Hakkenden (legend of the dog warriors from 1990-1991), while Claymore had great animation and was from 2007. It's simply a matter of budget, absence of skill, and not giving a damn about what the final product looks like by having no quality standards.
@@eustace8520 another really good example is the Ranma 1/2 series, first season had beautiful animation, every season after that had shit animation due to lack of funding, and this ran from 1991 to 1997
as the labels are the ones with the capital and META DATA servers telling them who to go all in on......regardless of if said artist is actually writing their own music, and can even procure 3 full albums in say a 5 year window.......to which they hire said needed capital to fill in the gaps. LMAO nones different radio tv media etc.......always been the same.....shows dont even need to be good at the end of the day to still have their 9 mins of ad space.....fulfilled.......oh its gaining ground.....better sponsors........thus fueling fate for 100+ episodes and misdirection in writing or start to end points of storyline character development etc......lefturns uturns etc......bc shitty writing and promotion of get something out.....no different than your favorite platitude rappers drake.....as full demographics some how "identify" with the same lyrics. with bs notions "tahts so true, he gets it" lmao connecting the rich with the poor with hoods with clean cut......"THE POWER OF MUSIC" LMAO platitude gods.
I'd completely disagree actually, the incredible amount of technology just made the bar lower for production in general, which is why we see a lot more generic material. However, I'd say our technology allows the creation of incredible new things we've never been able to do before. In EDM for example, while we don't see the beautiful organic sounds of Burial's sample based garage, we do see a lot more innovation in other artists like deadmau5 who has an array of various synthesizers and new software which allows the creation of completely new sounds that we've never heard before, which would be completely impossible with the technology of the past.
@@SuuBrainrot That's kind of a symptom of what he's talking about. Musicians keep getting new software or gear and never really exploring it well before moving onto the next new sound. You see it a lot on gear reviews where any level of tweaking is enough to turn off a lot of people. It's treated more like a novelty and the gear has basically become the musician's version of fashion. Artists move from the currently trendy gear to the next unlike decades ago where a musician couldn't easily get everything. They had to intimately learn all the little quirks and how to get the best out of what they had because music production was much less accessible.
" too much technology giving producer a crutch that infringes on creativity' I'm sorry but this have to be the biggest crock of horse shit I read in quite sometime, i mean do even listen to any music?. There is so many creative producer and musician out there and technology not only advance music making in general but It can literally create sounds that you can't even imagine. Without DAW and synth we would probably listen to the exact same rock hair metal bullshit which are cool but you know new ideas and creativity are cool too
I often feel that the 1999 version of HxH captures the essence of what the manga displays and a overall core feeling of intensity consistently. I’m by no means saying that the 2011 HxH isn’t superior, but it’s a pretty big colorful pop that sometimes takes away from the delivery of some scenes. Such is apparent when I think of the Yorknew City arc.
I was born in 1983. I could not have survived my childhood without anime. Looking forward to Saturday Night Adult Swim to watch, Cowboy Bebop, Blue Gender and Trigun from 11pm-4am every weekend was the only time I felt like I found my intellectual, emotional and philosophical equals. I'd stay up until 4am even though everything started to rerun at 1am. These shows, this time period, literally helped define who I was in this world. At a time in my life where my abusive father and his alcoholism had peaked and divorce was imminent (age 12) Anime gave me the ability to grow in the way I wanted too, a way which nobody else cared too. Anime told me it was ok to seek out knowledge and wisdom, to explore my philosophical mind and to be emotional, to show emotion, to find characters who were capable of sharing and experiencing the moral and ethical issues I thought so few others were capable of sharing. Without anime, I would have never known the one friend that has always been by my side encouraging my curiosity toward finding solutions to every problem I could think of, I would have learned only a fraction of what I know today.
That is more or less my story, even tho I was born in 94' (but I am from eastern part of Europe, so our 90' were like 80' on west because of technological backwardness).
@@TheBlondas94 i was born 92 so we're not far off from one another i think those era of shows is special its what made the western anime community (in my opinion) what it is today not the dragonball z boom but the era of these very dark anime shows that came on tv late at night it still holds a special place in our hearts, some of those help boost my critical thinking skills at a very young age.
Videogames, Anime, Music and especially the Bible worked on my mind. To live is art, thus art is life. To die is to have no interest in anything and to deny life.
While I have no problem with current anime, I love the older style (specifically from the mid-80's onward) because of the wide-range of colors used. Colors weren't too bright like modern anime and the older style seemed to show off more detail, especially in scenes with darker lighting.
I think one of the reasons 80s and 90s animes were mostly "better" is, that they had concepts and stories which were fascinating, seemed new or were just brave. They tried almost everything and the good stuff stayed in our minds. But they really tried to visualize visions of philosophy, psychology and stuff like that... and then, in my opinion, the "dark years" came around. When Pokémon, which in itself was a great show for kids, kind of launched that whole "anime get's popular everywhere AND we can sell toys/games/merch of any kind as much as we want!" era with YuGiOh, Beyblade and what not. They became marketing tools and cash grabs. The animation got lazy and the story was some painting by colors crap. I'm sorry, I don't want to be mean to anyone or any show, but it was just obvious to me, that some series took that direction of selling stuff and being lazy with the anime itself and it really took me out of the whole anime scene for a long time. It was about the early 2000s, maybe somewhen between 2003 and 2005 where i couldn't stand it anymore and everything seemed boring and not worth my time. I have to say so, that it's just personal experience and there were surley some good animes around at the time. But the popular stuff... it just couldn't deliver where the older animes were really great and influential. Storytelling combined with visuals is just sooo important! And makes the shows great. But I'm glad that there were some really good movies out there in recent years with Silent Voice, Garden of Words, Your Name or The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, that brought me back into anime per se, after many years just rewatching the older ones. Sorry, that comment turned out to be longer than I thought... It just came to my mind while writing so... yeah. Good video though, really liked it. Greetings from Germany.
Not sure how far back you'd want to go but since 2017 i'd definitely put Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu and March Comes in Like a Lion as modern classics. I'd even say that Dororo, Land of the Lustrous, Mob Psycho, A Place Further Than the Universe and Made in Abyss are very good or great.
Really Good Piece! 👏🏾 Mid 80s - early 90s Anime (Back when it was called Japanimation) is the best storytelling/Creativity/Art/Animation I’ve ever seen.
Great Video! 3D modeling, 2D Digital, Painted Cells etc. are all just tools. What matters far more is how they are creatively utilized to achieve the vision of the people working behind them. The “Undo” button is convenient, but is only a problem if relied upon. The Convenience of digital means productions can be cheaper, things can be done faster, things can be done with less work (Overall the effect of using good tools). This generally becomes a problem when its used without thought or intention instead of asking, “How can we effectively use these tools to tell the best possible story?”
I miss the edge and uncensored nature of anime. The fact that Anime has watered itself down creatively is a tragedy. Honestly, Japan sometimes seems embarrassed by anime. The brazen nudity, blood, violence existed to fuel the drama, character depth and humor. It was adult, dynamic and it was beautiful. I'll never forget what it meant to me. I really do. It changed my life. I know that might sound weird to someone today, but back then... it just, it was something special.
If it was made by machines, the animation (effects, frames, etc) not the design (characters drawings), story, music or voice acting will be superior to anything humans will ever made, the emotional part will have to be human made but the stuff that only requires better digital use like programs, etc have be machines
definitely on Bobbys perspective and probably on all the carnivore channels like primal edge health, maybe sv3rige? bart kay? I am not 100% sure. I will comment next time I see you :D@@sooooooooDark
@@momosmojo8371 ;p ah anime and food things r not connected much so its unlikely to find me i guess however yea i comment under some of those channels the food ppl tend to ban me tho, they just care about their opinion and dont want to find out whats actually true ;p
I doubt cell artists never made mistakes. I would imagine if they screwed up, they would have to trash the whole thing and start all over again. “Undo button” isn’t the problem. Maybe it’s the increasing time constraints due to companies expecting faster results. Prompting studios to pull shortcuts and skip details.
@@MedakaKurokami im saying that they could've easily made a mistake on a cell that they worked for days, eventually just throwing it out. that fact is what driven them to be so careful and experts. that's it.
I’ll admit that I’ve barely watched old anime but the ones I’ve seen are very beautiful in their own way, I love the shading and hand painted backgrounds of berserk, same goes with Eva too. And don’t even get me started on Angel’s egg
If I may offer my two cents among the 700 plus comments already, I would say that analog methods of animation and even the filming of movies are able to represent better and more genuine light sources. Watching the dark parts of anime including scenes of night time, shadows or artistic tones that look sinister and menacing are able to represent the light so much better than what digital has to offer. Compare Trigun to its movie, Dragon Ball Z to Dragon Ball Super, old Full Metal Alchemist to Brotherhood and so on. Hell, even compare old FLCL to the reboot and the difference is mind numbing and soul crushing to older anime fans, including myself, who appreciate the older analog methods. Sure, even Cowboy Bebop had scenes with digital 3D animation back in 1998 but the quality of the lighting was still analog, meaning that the old methods complimented the use of 3D animation without it feeling overbearing and out of place. I just cannot watch new anime anymore. Either the production quality is good but the story is not to my liking or vice versa, anime just doesn't feel as grounded as it used to be. It lacks a certain human touch, if that makes sense. The movie, Redline, is a perfect example of fantastic production quality but the end result has such stark contrasts in lighting and overly saturated colors that the movie feels like it came out every year for the past 10 years. Sorry for rambling on but I agree so much with this video that I had to say something.
I think it all boils down to one reason: In the 80s/90s anime was still new and was more explored until production studios found the minimum bar where people would enjoy it while also maintaining low cost production and time. It's basically the same that happened to games. It all became a big industry.
You really summed up all the feelings I had into actual coherent words. I watch much less anime now than I did in the past because of the mass produced rushed feel current anime has.
I think this hints at a larger issue with creative pursuits in general today. The ability to fix mistakes so easily in a sense hinders us from fully being immersed in the work. The full skill isnt needed anymore because of the "fix it in post" problem . Great video too!
I still think Howl's Moving Castle was a fantastic way to be introduced to anime, but also a massive hindrance to how I originally saw other animation. Not to say they weren't as good, but my bar was already set so high thanks to Studio Ghibli
Correct me if I'm wrong here but I felt a very similar way about the inherent magic of old-time cell animation, but now that I have collected some authentic animation cells and scanned them into a computer I've come to the conclusion that they look basically identical to shows that are colored digitally I kind of think the real thing that we're fetishizing is the camera that these images were shot with, and that that gives them the unique look. because cel animation thats scanned into a computer (like early family guy) looks basically identical to digitally colored shows . I think The analog camera compressing all of the colors and looking slightly out of focus is what gives those shows The Rustic authentic look
3 years ago I talked to some people in tokyo related to GITS, they told me how in the 80s and 90s anime industry was actually really small and not being the focus of big corporations. They were more concerned on how to fix the lost decade..... So it was a period were artistic freedom was BIG. Now anime is a world corporate business where profit is god. Look at the music, how now all series need to have some shitty pop band doing the same shit all the time. So... appreciate the classics. They are classics for something.
See I like Digital anime, because when done competently, it can look as aesthetically pleasing if not more pleasing than 80's - 90's anime, the problem though is that the adaption of Digital anime has pretty much meant the extinction of traditional cel-animation, the last notable one I can think of off the top of my head is Redline, which took over half a decade to make (although that was due to the scope of the project and likely other factors). Cel animation is generally more aesthetic to me than most digital anime tend to be, but there are plenty of Digital that I like nearly as much if not more than cel, I just wish they could co-exist, the sad thing is, it's even happened to Disney and Dreamworks (although tbf Dreamworks only did 2 or 3 2D films, but one of them was Prince of Egypt which was one of their best).
Redline was digitally painted, they did not use cels. youre getting it mixed up with the fact that all of the car animations were hand drawn and not 3d models. Redline was all drawn with no 3D. But it took 7 years because, takeshi koike could only work on it in between major projects. For him redline was purely a passion project. unfortunately it bombed in japan. If fathom evens and gkids was a thing 10 years a go im sure the american sales would have helped it out. But it only got shown on the film festival circuit over here.
Omg a fellow boogiepop fan!!! Thank god, I thought I was the only one! I love (and own) the first 6 light novels and I've seen the original anime twice! Compared to the 2019 adaptation, the live action film is far better. You can imagine how heart broken I was when the new adaptation came out. I'd love it if you'd make videos on boogiepop in the future
The biggest issues between new and old anime, which I think extends to animation in general are pretty simple. Time constraints: in either writing or aesthetic/animation, often both. Arcane was a new widely acclaimed series, it was essentially a 4 hour advertisement with nothing to say but they spent 6 years developing it. They produced IMO one of the greatest scenes in animation history, only possible by having time to refine itself. Risk aversion: Creators and artist self-censor and limitate their own abilities to only what they think will sell, meaning only mass appeal. The industry is devoid of edginess like in the late 80's-90's, or any sort of rebellious counter culture. Arcane is a perfect example, completely sanitized of any meaningful social commentary or philosophy despite utilizing very heavy themes. This is the sole reason I refuse to call it a classic or masterpiece, I'm not sure it could even be called art. Art in the most basic terms is a medium of human expression, Arcane wasnt created from humans it was manufactured by a video game company. Lack of intellectual inspiration: In short, nobody reads those boring long old books anymore. Writers are just recycling industry tropes and cliche's instead of touching grass or learning culture. "bad guy go boom" is the summation of just about anything that isnt a romance. This is the real reason behind Ghibli Studio, specifically Hayao Miyazaki's success. He reads classical literature and utilizes his interactions with people around him to create those vivid worlds and dynamic characters. In interviews he seems very self-aware of that fact, criticising "otaku subculture". The studio's amazing animation is just icing on the cake. Add those 3 factors together and we get a rushed collection of generic drawings telling a story about nothing, created by a group of infantilized technicians that dont go outside. Does that sound entertaining?
Megumi Hayashida they didn't do it to get fame, they did it because they were driven and cared for the craft. Their dedication is why their work was so good
@@patrioticcat5768 indeed. 'Dedication' is the key word. As an artist myself fame is not the ultimate goal at all but I do think every artists deep down still desire some sort of reward or honorary title when the work has been done properly and the result is surprisingly ahead of its time or beyond expectations. That being said, yes you can tell when an anime is made out of passion instead of a messy development underpressure due to reaching deadlines on time. And they didn't even have the same types of advertisers back then to fund their campaigns/marketing strategy including the whole distribution. But also I'm not sure if animators income is proportional to their efforts even nowadays... all these factors are questionable and complementary in order to produce top quality anime (IMO).
it really sucks that some studios just look for quick cash and dont even try to make a good series. especially with those two, I had the feeling they were just using the popularity of the source material to get some money, instead of faithfully adapting those series. this has nothing to do with animation style, era or anything like that. it's just shitty greedy companies abusing their power to make money, destroying anything the mangaka envisioned or the fans wanted. this really makes me sad.
3D Berserk was good the best anime in that style, u just gotta watch every episode, nerds made complaining a trend, so episodes stopped coming Tokyo ghoul was just rushed
5:52 this music is a Zelda song can anyone tell me where to find it and who it's by? I think it's the opening theme for ocarina of time but I'm looking for this version of it.
Old anime, new anime.. As long as it's got a captivating storyline and relatable characters, I don't really care much about drawing techniques used, as long as it's bearable to watch.
I’m not sure if I agree with that at all. The reason I watch animation in the first place...it’s because of the animation...if I just wanted to experience something with great storylines and relatable characters than I could just grab a novel and read it...
as someone from the 90's generation i don't think the old era is better than this one (except in gore, in the past didn't shy away from blood which is cool) but the number of legendary shows from that era is much less compared to this era (due to variation of total produced shows) best animes from 90's in my opinion: Berserk, Slam Dunk, Hunter (modern adaptation is better) + One Piece & Detective Conan (both are still running)
i disagree, i see no problem with digital art, i just think some people get stuck in nostalgia goggles for older anime, their where PLENTY of mistakes made in old anime like cowboy bebop and the like that people just either refuse to acknowledge or just blow off as a "crack in the vase" sort of thing, but digital art does a lot to help the industry, for instance, the company would have to spend money on supplies and less on the artist themselves if not for digital art, also having a finality to the art itself as is with ink and painting and such, would put immense stress on an artist, their are tons of stories out their about this artist or that artist passing out, getting sick, or outright dying from overwork, and sure it still happens, btu that's less to do with the actual work itself and more with the workload in general as one bad thing to come out of dig art is the idea that poeple think it doesn't take as long, but that's not true at all, and all that immense stress along with shorter deadlines builds up. To name a few, Kazunori Mizuno died from alleged overworking, he was a veteran artist and story boarder for several anime, this might be more of a case of work load v.s. actual work material, but the point still stands, working with digital, long as the programs are working fine and such, is MUCH less stressful than working with more finalized materials, it's still stressful, sure, but not nearly as bad. Having only one go at something DOES NOT make you do a better job, it makes you TRY to do your best and honestly, if bad mistakes are made, would take time, lots of time to redo or even slightly correct some mistakes, i can point out SEVERAL mistakes old shows made in anime like cowboy bebop and the like where something was off color on one or two frames, or a line or two on the line art was gone because the color went over it or moments were action wasn't happening so the budget dropped and the animation kinda went caput for a second, sure that still happens sometimes now, like with dbz and all it's corner cutting nonsense these days, and while i do like the look of traditional art i have t disagree, as an artist i can tell you, if not for digital art, i would not even BEGIN to try to get into inking or coloring i'd still be a sketch artist because it was cheap, affordable and forgiving, in my opinion digital art has given many people opportunities and i would also like to point out that aside from early new series berserk, the switch to cg isn't always bad and the animation for the new eva wasn't that badly done either, certainly doesn't look like power rangers for one, personally, i disagree, nice video though, it was well made and the information was consistant, i'm subscribing, i find your content enjoyable, i hope you don't take this comment too hard friend, i just like throwing my two cents in soemtimes, that's all it is really, take it or leave it, it's fine by me, have a good one man
There's reason why early 2000's anime have not aged well artistic wise , partly due to being fixed resolution (480p) looks like crap compared cel based anime that's has ability to be remastered in HD. It's far from nostalgia.
the guy has no empathy at all in the artists. It should be better if he was the one doing that kind of work where you have a limited resources and a little mistake you made in an almost done frame can make you redo everything. I'm sure lot of artist that were involve in cel animation have a relief finding out that they can redo easily and a small mistake can be corrected in a very small amount of time.
I both agree and disagree with you. See, the differences you point out are valid enough, however, none of them are because of the digitalization of the technics used or CGI. Using modern technics is not a limitation, it's an opportunity. Using modern technics one can achieve everything possible in the past as well as making things that could not be done before. The problem is not the technology, but how this technology is ut utilized. Granted, I do agree bad digital/CGI is a lot worse than bad drawings, however great digital/CGI more than weighs up for this in the ling run.
I don't think the popularity of 90's anime is down to nostalgia. When I first discovered anime like Dragon Ball and Evangelion I was totally in love with how beautiful they looked and that was what initially drew me to watch them, fortunately the story's were equally brilliant. I haven't even watched Dragon Ball Super because I've seen how bad the clips look, and it doesn't draw me in. The one exception to this is the Dragon Ball Super Broly Movie, which actually looks beautiful. So in summary, it's down to how much time they spend to make the animation look good. Most anime these days just doesn't look good, whereas 90 anime was famous for how eye pleasing it was and still is.
He simply restricted the discussion too much to those technical points, probably because he must be an "animation" nerd (i mean the actual production proccess). Not even in videogames the long lasting power of certain products is very dependent on similar technical points related to visuals. Like, it's a fundamental part of the whole, but still a part. BTW that's another area where the "it's just nostalgia" card is thrown out all the time irresponsibly to destroy a potential productive discussion about old vs new. That's very common in the internet.
90s anime were more open to more original stories but I altogether like digital more then cell. Cell has its charm and I love vampire hunter d bloodlust which to me was the pinnacle of cel, but wasnt one punch man season 1 and mob psycho 100 done digital? They don't seem to suffer, that's for sure.
I see it like this: the 50's-70's were enjoyable to those of that era, because it was new and there was nothing to make comparisons, but the technology was changing a lot and adapting to it was hard which led to so many shows looking awful by today's standards. Move to the 80's-00's and you have the pinnacle of the format, as people had decades of shows to look back on and improve upon, along with immense competition, people had to really up the talent and anyone who HAD talent was allowed to work with big budget; the phenomenon of OVA's added a lot to this, as some 1-3 episode animations were fantastic more so than some 26 ep series. Now we're starting back over with people figuring out how to use digital, more competition than over before, harder sales market, basically taking anything that seems new and just debasing the whole thing where 80% is totally unwatchable and a handful of shows/movies are actually still really good.So, possibly the 2020's will display some seriously good shit!
Massive thanks! This is a video which I've been looking for a long time. I had a long break from anime (about 15 years) and now I'm coming back to it. I'm happy to watch older titles like Berserk, GITS, Akira, Ninja Scroll, Paprika, Cowboy Bebop, Spriggan, Perfect Blue or NGE and basically - love it! I've tried to watch some new releases, but it's too much of everything squeezed in to small amount of time. Your video explain exactly the difference and now I know what to look for. I hope that maybe someone could recommend me few titles from that period of time. Thanks again and keep up good work! 👍
While I don't disagree really disagree one the points you made regarding the texture change from cell to digital, I do feel you put too much emphesis on the 90's being the best time for anime, when really anime didn't enter the broader western consiousness until the 90's.The 70's and esspcially the 80's could be regarded just as highly as the 90's but to this day the decades before broadcast releases are signficantly harder for western fans to get into do to lack of avaliablity.(the ammount of times i wanted to watch a show from the 80's but no fan sub exists is saddening)
digital is just a medium. everything is still drawn by people the same way as on paper. you can control z, but on paper you use an eraser. if you suck at drawing, your drawing will look like shit. color choice, composition, direction, how characters move have nothing to do with the medium you use.
Yup. Animation made by wannabes, instead of professionals who know anatomy and understand how people actually move and interact in real life. Without these fundamentals, everything looks "off", bland and soulless, no matter how spiky you make a characters hair, how big their sword is, or how many zippers and buckles are on their outfit. This is why new anime is terrible, it has no soul.
Anime will never look and have the same amazing impression that the 80's and 90's had. A lost art. I miss the feeling of hand drawn animation so much. My fave art style is from Hokuto No Ken.
If they went back, the style would feel soulless because besides the retro boom in video games throw backs tend to suck, because you just won’t capture what the old style was, nor should you want to.
Digital is undoubtedly the best medium we've ever invented, period. The only limit with it is your creativity. A lot of what people blame digital for is actually down to lazy and cheap animation practices. Over-reliance on poorly mixed CG and Linework, insipid colour palettes, poor storyboarding, bad art direction. Releases like Crybaby, Mob Psycho, kill la kill, even as far back as the original FLCL just outright prove that a talented, passionate director and animation team can create absolute works of art in digital media. I think the 80s hit a golden age of traditional animation and I love the classic, gritty feel of the original GitS and Akira. But I also think we're likely heading into a golden age of digital animation now. Sure there's a lot of drek, but there are some absolutely gorgeous films and series being created right now.
You don't know how LONG i've waited till' someone talk about it. honestly, too many shows coming out. that money just being waste. you know what they could've done with all the money they spent on pointless isekai & harem anime? idk maybe ACTUAL good shit.
@@Helaw0lf well.. with Marvel at least they're publishing is no where near what anime has in Quantity. that's why Marvel's aren't disposable. except 2-3 movies
@Bobo Boy Spiderman was a good movie writting wise. telling a good coming of age story and great comedy. it's only problem is that it's not a good SPIDERMAN movie. and since 2017 we still got Ragnarok and infinity war
When I thought about how more enjoyable Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was in comparison to the original series, you brought it up. It was relieving. The new production utilized digital animation to it's fullest and the re-make was extremely well executed. Alongside the creative and original story of Jojo, it was a match made in heaven.
I personally disagree. The modern day anime adaptation of JoJo has the same exact flat, overly brightly colored, cheap shiny animation that just about every modern series has. Theres so many scenes where character proportions whether it's their face or body look way off. The backgrounds don't stick out, and the characters just look flatly placed into them. The 90's OVA, while unfortunate that it only covers Stardust Crusaders (with a lot of content cut) looks so much more visually appealing. Darker color palettes, the backgrounds actually look beautiful and hand drawn making them pop out instead of just being there, the characters are drawn in such a detailed manner. And I also much prefer how Stands were animated with a transparency to them. It just looks better overall
honestly it wouldnt be that big a problem is the stories were more in depth. some new anime has a great story, but most just fall together. with the thousands of shows we get now, only a few feel really unique. art style is one thing, story is a whole other half.
there are many great anime released today. each season has at least three. All these videos talking about how things like music, film etc. now suck are getting really redundant
I love your videos but I simply cant agree. all of the comparisons you made had wildly different staff and visions behind them. a good example would be ghibli films as little vision changes staff wise between the 2 mediums. your examples had wildly different variables.
This, I found the comparisons made incredibly simplistic and frankly offensive. The whole argument that the 90s were more memorable than the 80s because a few shows had some filters over them also needs a lot more work to convince me.
It isn't impossible to get a similar feel to traditional cel animation. Its comes down to the way things are animated , the layout, the background paintings set , color scripts and the way things are composited. Take a look at my Instagram, i have a test digicel of a girl on top of a rendered background, Composited to fit more of a traditional aesthetic. With effort and proper study this look can be salvaged, the industry just chooses not to do it . Long story short, color scripting, compositing and color grading is key. I'll stress this even more than anything else, COMPOSITING IS THE KEY STAGE IN ACHIEVING THIS LOOK! This is isnt a plug, but if you want to see an example of this look reproduced digitally check out my gallery i have a couple of images in which i have obtained a more traditional cel painted look . link one: instagram.com/p/BvkQNz8BhZT/ link 2: instagram.com/p/Bvos7Q_AdAS/ link 3: instagram.com/p/Bvf9tejl8JU/
I love the old Berserk anime but you kinda have to admit that it mostly looked like ass, even for its time. There is lots of really awkward looking stuff there. Berserk has yet to get a really good anime adaptation.
Considering Cowboy Bebop came out a year after original Berserk, yeah the production was underwhelming in comparison. The Golden Age Arc movies were excellent though. Just watched them again recently and those were about as perfect adaptations as I've seen for any series to be honest.
Cell-shaded shows near the end of that era still retained some of the graininess that came with a physical medium (along with slight differences in colour and frame position), which immediately makes them look more interesting. It's similar to a cell-shaded drawing with a grainy filter. It looks like more time and effort was put into it, it looks more 'physical/real', and it draws the eye more. There was probably a lot of limitations with paint colouring as well, some colours that are easy to get on screen can't really be mixed irl leading to more muted, realistic colour palettes.
I mostly agree with what you're saying, but every season there is at least one or two stellar looking shows. Made in Abyss sticks with me still, and Dororo is great. At least some studios are learning from what the fans prefer. For instance, there was a lot of criticism of the Colossal Titan being CG in the second season, so when the Turkey Titan appeared in season 3, the shots that mattered (close-up of the non existent face, entrails spilling etc) were hand drawn.
Thank you for so precisely explaining what I have been thinking for years. Do you think you could closed caption edit in all the animes you used? I thought I was a level 10 weebo but must be only level 5 as I did not know half the animes you used in this great video.
I was with you until you said the undo button was to blame, that's absolutely misinformed, tell those classic animators they should just drop erasers and never make revisions
I never implied that they shouldn't make revisions, my implication was that the finality of applying acrylic paint would have caused a more precise end result as they only had a certain amount of frames to work with and so, with the pressure of not being allowed to make an error, more frames would have ended up with a higher quality through the sheer stress of having a limitation. The storyboarding and planning of shots would also revolve around this limitation to ensure that they wouldn't run out of these frames. So whilst it seems like I'm only talking about a colouring process, all stages are tightly related together, and whilst the planned animatics SHOULD be heavily revised for practicality, the finished frame cannot be revised due to the nature of acrylic paint. I hope that clarifies it a little, I in no way meant to belittle the glory that is the undo button.
Great video man, really well thought out and made well. And yeah, i agree a lot of new series do indeed lack the creativity older series had, and a big reason for that might be as you said in the video, but i also think that another reason that there is so much released today, the quantity of anime is wayyyy higher today. I just think the percentage of creative anime has decrease but not the actual amount of creative anime
Very good and insightful video. I'm one of those who prefer the 90s and early 2000s anime. I wish it would come back. Have you seen the new ONE PUNCH MAN season 2 trailer? It looks so weak animation wise..such a disapointment because the content from the manga gets progressively better.
OPM season 2 they chose fast cash over quality. They couldn't get the original staff together cause they were on other projects. But they didn't wanna wait any longer to put out a season 2 CAUSE OPM is still hot.
Naruto is the best example of what you’re talking about. Watch the first half of Naruto then watch a late Shippuden episode. If you can’t see the lifelessness and soullessness of the latter, then you’re not engaging with the art in any way but the most base. It’s impossible to miss the pop of the analogue drawings, and the heart that’s put into the faces that just isn’t there in the latter. Someone else said these new anime is like watching early 2000 flash animations, and that is so right. This isn’t to say all new anime is bad. Psycho Pass, for example, is brilliant and looks brilliant.
There was an anime block on TechTV (Betterman, Soul Taker, Banner of the Stars, and Serial Experiments Lain IIRC). The Read or Die OVA came out there. SciFi would show anime every now and again. It used to be such a joy to stumble onto that stuff. So many good memories, man.
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You kind of mentioned it but I think the color pallet is a big source of the "sameness" problem. The ability to use the exact same color, every single frame, of every episode, for every series, from every studio never existed before digital. With color paint you can order skin tone #387 all you want but it won't be 100% the same batch to batch, year to year. This created a subtle difference in shows and between studios. With digital, skin tone #387 is the same every single time. The options of the color pallet may be far larger in digital than in analog, but in practice it seems like the industry is limiting itself to the exact same colors over and over.
Two words: Budget cuts
I think it's also due to many studios are more in tuned to making an anime into a product more than telling a story. You can do both of course.
this is 99%
the background of every scene used to be a beautiful hand drawn masterpiece with contrasted colors and detailed shades and shadows because it didnt move at all it was made high quality and immersive but now it look like it was made of one color selected and edited with paint
That's one major point compared to then and now. Those 90's painted backrgrounds had more feel to them, a lot of mood. A lot of backgrounds now are too smooth and cheap feeling, like an rpg maker background.
@AC.507 N What they're trying to say is that is conveys a different "mood" and feels more realistic
@AC.507 N what i meant is believable not realistic wrong choice o words ...believable sets you in the mood and atmosphere it doesnt have to be realistic
Sounds like you haven't seen a single Shinkai production.
You’ve literally never seen any recent anime movies then. Especially Shinkais work
Then there are people who refuse to watch Cowboy Bebop, Evangelion, etc, because *_"it looks old",_* and proceed to watch the latest cheaply produced Light Novel adaptation. **Facepalm**
It's the same with movies. M (1931), The Seventh Seal and Seven Samurai are some of my favourite movies. But you'd struggle to find 5 people on the street that have even heard of any of those. They aren't even obscure.
@Emanuel Skeptic if you are used to the stupid, mediocre and fast pacing new animes, of curse if will be boring for you.
@FEMTO That's just, like, your opinion, maaaaan.
Marcelo Guerrero and that is like your opinion maaaaaan
@Alverto 662
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Too many productions, too little time & budgets. Not including the problems when it comes to outsourcing & its quality control. A bit controversial opinion maybe here. Yes, I do believe digital, CGI & 3D techs should be more utilized to cut time & budgets, but Japanese studios need to implement a better ways to do it, including leaving such backward thinking with 12 frames/second for 3D animation when its clearly resulting in jaggy moveset, unlike 2D that could warp the animation to smooth things out. 3D & 2D are a totally different spectrums of animations. I only see a handful of studios that actually managed to balanced & utilized the combination of 2D-3D techs.
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Croz Raven yes I agree Dragonball super Broly did this very well... if you disregard the human cgi ... cgi works very well with inanimate objects
Croz Raven I’ll never understand what the thought process behind making a 3D show run like a slideshow is. And it’s not just Japanese studios that do it either. Dragon Prince season 1 is the exact same. Studio Orange is the only studio that’s totally trustworthy (Polygon is really hit or miss at best) with full CG
The only studio that I know that perfectly blend 2D and 3D(CGI) is Ufotable.
Well 3d animation can warp and all
The thing is 3d in japan is use for cheap sake and cheap 3d is not great
Even the 12fps is probably for budget (render time)
But went you see thing like "into the spider verse" or "paperman" and "Deep Canvas technologie" from disney you can see that 3d is absolutly great and 2d/3d mix are totaly okay
probably OLM
On another note "IA" coloring is coming (the studio that do the pokemon serie probably OLM is researching for using it or already do it) (some exemple here jon-ko.tumblr.com)
Ps sorry for my english, it's not my native language
Modern day anime looks too clean, and everything is overly colourful. I much prefer the look of anime from the 80's 90's and early 00's.
too much topping on the ice cream right?
the same goes with video games and movies...
everything is superficial and overly done.
Who's the fault? Developer or consumer?
Consumer of course!
Be in movies, animation/anime or video games. The majority of these mediums' fans are menchild with terrible taste.
People are getting saturated and going back in time to get that organic feel...
Be it in anime, games (retro / indie gaming scene), music or movies.
Those who do, have acquired a refined taste for what makes a piece of art and what doesn't and most likely have a significantly higher IQ.
Anyway, most call it nostalgia, I call it having brains
Looks too clean? Too colorful? Are you that dense? Those are improvements
@@elijahlee3610 ur one of those idiots that think everything is new is good. news flash moron, not EVERYTHING NEW is GOOD
@@elijahlee3610 Bullshit
@@elijahlee3610 New anime looks flat and bland because it's so hyper clean and homogenized. The little imperfections in the line work of old anime as well as the fact it was on film stock gives it a quality that digital lacks. Design and shading were also better. Everything looks like a bad video game in digital anime. It has no soul.
I think a lot of people have a feeling that the 90s had overall better quality anime, which I'm not disproving, but I think a massive amount of people tend to only remember the good shows, and not mention any of the awful or mediocre shows that aired in that time as well. I think we need to think of the 10s like we're in the year 2030. We won't remember a show like GATE or Ranpo Kitan, but we will remember shows like Mob Psycho 100, Steins;Gate and Dororo. We as fans will compare what we will remember, which is usually only the good, and never the mediocre or the bad.
If we are still fans in the year 2030, we will look back at this era of anime in the same way we look back at the 90s right now. So I don't really think anything THAT major has happened, we just forgot.
Also keep in mind there's just more anime being produced now. So we're obviously going to see a huge influx of mediocrity as well. But every year there's at least 10 decent anime to watch. Of course not all of it will appeal to everyone.
Milk is Special but the good animes in the 90’s look better than the good animes of today. Look at ghost in a shell for instance, give me a anime of today thats on par movie wise. Now look at cowboy bebop or something similar and give me a series of today that looks as good. Then the stories where better, more raw and had more at stake, some of these animes are out here with no blood, i dont even think boruto or dragon ball super has blood.
@@AP90x Cherry picking the best of the best doesn't really mean much though. Ghost in the Shell and Cowboy Bebop are exceptions. There's plenty of modern anime with spectacular animation too. And there are plenty of great stories too. I'd argue there's more good ones now being released now on average just because of the sheer volume of stuff being produced today.
Shitty anime of the past were not appreciated like shitty anime today are.
Ash but the best of the best was in the 90’s. We arent getting content like that anymore. Im saying if u compare the best 90’s animes to the best ones of today, the 90’s animes are better all around. Thats the point im making, show me the best of the best in each generation. That will give u the quickest and best way to compare quality in each era.
That's because in the 80s/90s , Anime was just a medium for story telling, like comics, like movies, like novels. Simple.
Now, it's a super-saturated clown fiesta for corporate to funnel waifu merch into your local weaboo's/otaku's "anime room". Unique art style? Compelling Story??? 😂🤣😂🤣
That's really how I feel too, but I think even back then there were (a lot of?) clown fiesta waifu shows, like Tenchi Muyo. And I think storytelling (when it is actually done) has improved since the 90s. I find that older anime tend to disregard consequence a lot of the time. One example is Wing Gundam, where Relena kinda just gets away with a lot of idiocy without punishment.
Of course, in the modern day, there are more clown fiesta waifu shows than ever because that shit brings in the profit. Sad but true. But there were plenty of garbage to sift through in the past too.
@@urallnoobs8943 Have you heard of Legend Of The Galactic Heroes? It's really great. The only problem about the anime (which can be ignored), is that it sometimes switches animations because the budget was low for the creators.
Well said
@@urallnoobs8943 The original Tenchi Muyo OVA had a great, imaginative, story and the animation quality was higher than most things out there. It basically invented the harem anime genre, so you can't call it unoriginal. The problem is then they tried to milk the franchise with the 2 TV series which were both horrible, a couple of mediocre movies, and god only knows what other defacement. The OVA was a gem. The same is true for the El Hazard series (again - great OVA, but everything else was pure rubbish).
My problem with modern anime is the lack of quality of the art. If you look at the crisp shapes and rich coloring of things like Claymore and Berserk, and compare them to the mono-colored amorphous blob characters that change shape every frame in modern anime.
You can't blame technology for the change either. One of the first times I saw the new crappy anime style was the later episodes of the original Hakkenden (legend of the dog warriors from 1990-1991), while Claymore had great animation and was from 2007. It's simply a matter of budget, absence of skill, and not giving a damn about what the final product looks like by having no quality standards.
@@eustace8520 another really good example is the Ranma 1/2 series, first season had beautiful animation, every season after that had shit animation due to lack of funding, and this ran from 1991 to 1997
I still to this day say Yu Yu Hakusho ages like a fine whine.
The Best Ever 💯
@Bobo Boy I don,t think you have ever seen Yu Yu Hakusho lmfao
A fine 'whine'? lol
AC.507 N Yes you should watch Yu Yu Hakusho it is old school but if you can’t handle older anime that is a shame and you are truly missing out.
AC.507 N Lmao yes you should watch Berserk but at the end of the day the manga is far better
Ironically the same issue is present in music. Too much technology giving producers a crutch that infringes on creativity.
as the labels are the ones with the capital and META DATA servers telling them who to go all in on......regardless of if said artist is actually writing their own music, and can even procure 3 full albums in say a 5 year window.......to which they hire said needed capital to fill in the gaps. LMAO nones different radio tv media etc.......always been the same.....shows dont even need to be good at the end of the day to still have their 9 mins of ad space.....fulfilled.......oh its gaining ground.....better sponsors........thus fueling fate for 100+ episodes and misdirection in writing or start to end points of storyline character development etc......lefturns uturns etc......bc shitty writing and promotion of get something out.....no different than your favorite platitude rappers drake.....as full demographics some how "identify" with the same lyrics. with bs notions "tahts so true, he gets it" lmao connecting the rich with the poor with hoods with clean cut......"THE POWER OF MUSIC" LMAO platitude gods.
Yup everyone is sampling the same music and not creating their own
I'd completely disagree actually, the incredible amount of technology just made the bar lower for production in general, which is why we see a lot more generic material.
However, I'd say our technology allows the creation of incredible new things we've never been able to do before.
In EDM for example, while we don't see the beautiful organic sounds of Burial's sample based garage, we do see a lot more innovation in other artists like deadmau5 who has an array of various synthesizers and new software which allows the creation of completely new sounds that we've never heard before, which would be completely impossible with the technology of the past.
@@SuuBrainrot That's kind of a symptom of what he's talking about. Musicians keep getting new software or gear and never really exploring it well before moving onto the next new sound. You see it a lot on gear reviews where any level of tweaking is enough to turn off a lot of people. It's treated more like a novelty and the gear has basically become the musician's version of fashion. Artists move from the currently trendy gear to the next unlike decades ago where a musician couldn't easily get everything. They had to intimately learn all the little quirks and how to get the best out of what they had because music production was much less accessible.
" too much technology giving producer a crutch that infringes on creativity' I'm sorry but this have to be the biggest crock of horse shit I read in quite sometime, i mean do even listen to any music?. There is so many creative producer and musician out there and technology not only advance music making in general but It can literally create sounds that you can't even imagine. Without DAW and synth we would probably listen to the exact same rock hair metal bullshit which are cool but you know new ideas and creativity are cool too
I miss the epic anime films like Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Vampire Hunter D : Bloodlust, Paprika and Sword of the Stranger....
Remember seeing that years ago on a friends recommendation and remember liking it....I think?
Don't forget ninja scroll.
I often feel that the 1999 version of HxH captures the essence of what the manga displays and a overall core feeling of intensity consistently. I’m by no means saying that the 2011 HxH isn’t superior, but it’s a pretty big colorful pop that sometimes takes away from the delivery of some scenes. Such is apparent when I think of the Yorknew City arc.
I was born in 1983. I could not have survived my childhood without anime. Looking forward to Saturday Night Adult Swim to watch, Cowboy Bebop, Blue Gender and Trigun from 11pm-4am every weekend was the only time I felt like I found my intellectual, emotional and philosophical equals. I'd stay up until 4am even though everything started to rerun at 1am.
These shows, this time period, literally helped define who I was in this world. At a time in my life where my abusive father and his alcoholism had peaked and divorce was imminent (age 12) Anime gave me the ability to grow in the way I wanted too, a way which nobody else cared too. Anime told me it was ok to seek out knowledge and wisdom, to explore my philosophical mind and to be emotional, to show emotion, to find characters who were capable of sharing and experiencing the moral and ethical issues I thought so few others were capable of sharing.
Without anime, I would have never known the one friend that has always been by my side encouraging my curiosity toward finding solutions to every problem I could think of, I would have learned only a fraction of what I know today.
Story of my life thank you kefka the mad I 100% second this.
That is more or less my story, even tho I was born in 94' (but I am from eastern part of Europe, so our 90' were like 80' on west because of technological backwardness).
@@TheBlondas94 i was born 92 so we're not far off from one another i think those era of shows is special its what made the western anime community (in my opinion) what it is today not the dragonball z boom but the era of these very dark anime shows that came on tv late at night it still holds a special place in our hearts, some of those help boost my critical thinking skills at a very young age.
Videogames, Anime, Music and especially the Bible worked on my mind. To live is art, thus art is life. To die is to have no interest in anything and to deny life.
While I have no problem with current anime, I love the older style (specifically from the mid-80's onward) because of the wide-range of colors used. Colors weren't too bright like modern anime and the older style seemed to show off more detail, especially in scenes with darker lighting.
@AC.507 N See I've tried watching Mob Psycho but just couldn't get into it. Re:Zero I haven't made time to watch, although it does look good.
Try JoJo, Baki, Dororo, or One Punch Man.
The real problem is that old animes had 3-4 shades for a color to represent the shadows. Nowadays, only 2 (or 1)
@@samalheid6630 thisss^^
I think one of the reasons 80s and 90s animes were mostly "better" is, that they had concepts and stories which were fascinating, seemed new or were just brave. They tried almost everything and the good stuff stayed in our minds. But they really tried to visualize visions of philosophy, psychology and stuff like that... and then, in my opinion, the "dark years" came around. When Pokémon, which in itself was a great show for kids, kind of launched that whole "anime get's popular everywhere AND we can sell toys/games/merch of any kind as much as we want!" era with YuGiOh, Beyblade and what not. They became marketing tools and cash grabs. The animation got lazy and the story was some painting by colors crap. I'm sorry, I don't want to be mean to anyone or any show, but it was just obvious to me, that some series took that direction of selling stuff and being lazy with the anime itself and it really took me out of the whole anime scene for a long time. It was about the early 2000s, maybe somewhen between 2003 and 2005 where i couldn't stand it anymore and everything seemed boring and not worth my time.
I have to say so, that it's just personal experience and there were surley some good animes around at the time. But the popular stuff... it just couldn't deliver where the older animes were really great and influential. Storytelling combined with visuals is just sooo important! And makes the shows great. But I'm glad that there were some really good movies out there in recent years with Silent Voice, Garden of Words, Your Name or The Girl Who Leapt Through Time, that brought me back into anime per se, after many years just rewatching the older ones.
Sorry, that comment turned out to be longer than I thought... It just came to my mind while writing so... yeah. Good video though, really liked it. Greetings from Germany.
modern anime is just too generic and repetitive both visually and story/character-wise
@@beastvicious8672 well, nothing i'd put up with any of the classic/greats, but i guess some are "okay"..
and yes, too much generic anime
Not sure how far back you'd want to go but since 2017 i'd definitely put Shouwa Genroku Rakugo Shinjuu and March Comes in Like a Lion as modern classics. I'd even say that Dororo, Land of the Lustrous, Mob Psycho, A Place Further Than the Universe and Made in Abyss are very good or great.
Dorohedoro Judging from your name, you’ll be glad to know that Dorohedoro is getting an anime this year
@@TheUberVideo lmao
So is classic anime
VHS is the Key to all of this.
I'm pleasantly surprised to see you here Kenny!
I go where the recommendations tell me.
@@kennylauderdale_en LOL That's what brought me here too. Also the VHS era of everything is the key to all answers.
Anime nowadays look like a flash animation from the 2000's
This isn’t hyperbole. I checked out Boruto and I was shocked. Unwatchable.
@RETRY It's spelled "hyperbole", not "hyperbolee".
"I've watched one new anime, so all of them are trash!!!!!"
@@RoyKoopaling I may not like Boruto but I can't deny that it's animation quality is top tier.
Try Ultraman on netflix.
_It has Evolved, Now whether it's a good thing or not is left to the viewer to decide. The subject of how a anime production has varied a lot._
Really Good Piece! 👏🏾
Mid 80s - early 90s Anime (Back when it was called Japanimation) is the best storytelling/Creativity/Art/Animation I’ve ever seen.
Great Video!
3D modeling, 2D Digital, Painted Cells etc. are all just tools. What matters far more is how they are creatively utilized to achieve the vision of the people working behind them. The “Undo” button is convenient, but is only a problem if relied upon. The Convenience of digital means productions can be cheaper, things can be done faster, things can be done with less work (Overall the effect of using good tools). This generally becomes a problem when its used without thought or intention instead of asking, “How can we effectively use these tools to tell the best possible story?”
I miss the edge and uncensored nature of anime. The fact that Anime has watered itself down creatively is a tragedy. Honestly, Japan sometimes seems embarrassed by anime. The brazen nudity, blood, violence existed to fuel the drama, character depth and humor. It was adult, dynamic and it was beautiful. I'll never forget what it meant to me.
I really do. It changed my life. I know that might sound weird to someone today, but back then... it just, it was something special.
90s anime looks like they r made by humans for humans
newer stuff looks like its made by machines for machines
If it was made by machines, the animation (effects, frames, etc) not the design (characters drawings), story, music or voice acting will be superior to anything humans will ever made, the emotional part will have to be human made but the stuff that only requires better digital use like programs, etc have be machines
dude you are everywhere.... I think you may consume too much youtube :D
@@momosmojo8371 uhh? :D
where did u see me
definitely on Bobbys perspective and probably on all the carnivore channels like primal edge health, maybe sv3rige? bart kay? I am not 100% sure. I will comment next time I see you :D@@sooooooooDark
@@momosmojo8371 ;p ah
anime and food things r not connected much so its unlikely to find me i guess
however yea i comment under some of those channels
the food ppl tend to ban me tho, they just care about their opinion and dont want to find out whats actually true ;p
I doubt cell artists never made mistakes. I would imagine if they screwed up, they would have to trash the whole thing and start all over again.
“Undo button” isn’t the problem. Maybe it’s the increasing time constraints due to companies expecting faster results. Prompting studios to pull shortcuts and skip details.
of course. but THAT what pushed them to make none
@Thun Dara what r you saying i didn't got.
Well its not like you made any more sense than "of course but THAT what pushed them to make NONE". Than he did Like wat?
I ain't saying what you don't got ether
@@MedakaKurokami im saying that they could've easily made a mistake on a cell that they worked for days, eventually just throwing it out. that fact is what driven them to be so careful and experts. that's it.
Today anime is full of crappy CGI. Love the good old 90's anime. That was the golden days. Now its rare to get a really good Anime.
I’ll admit that I’ve barely watched old anime but the ones I’ve seen are very beautiful in their own way, I love the shading and hand painted backgrounds of berserk, same goes with Eva too. And don’t even get me started on Angel’s egg
If I may offer my two cents among the 700 plus comments already, I would say that analog methods of animation and even the filming of movies are able to represent better and more genuine light sources. Watching the dark parts of anime including scenes of night time, shadows or artistic tones that look sinister and menacing are able to represent the light so much better than what digital has to offer.
Compare Trigun to its movie, Dragon Ball Z to Dragon Ball Super, old Full Metal Alchemist to Brotherhood and so on. Hell, even compare old FLCL to the reboot and the difference is mind numbing and soul crushing to older anime fans, including myself, who appreciate the older analog methods.
Sure, even Cowboy Bebop had scenes with digital 3D animation back in 1998 but the quality of the lighting was still analog, meaning that the old methods complimented the use of 3D animation without it feeling overbearing and out of place.
I just cannot watch new anime anymore. Either the production quality is good but the story is not to my liking or vice versa, anime just doesn't feel as grounded as it used to be. It lacks a certain human touch, if that makes sense. The movie, Redline, is a perfect example of fantastic production quality but the end result has such stark contrasts in lighting and overly saturated colors that the movie feels like it came out every year for the past 10 years.
Sorry for rambling on but I agree so much with this video that I had to say something.
It's like analog vs digital photography. Even photoshop masters won't be able to emulate the analog tones.
Modern action anime is visual vomit
I think it all boils down to one reason: In the 80s/90s anime was still new and was more explored until production studios found the minimum bar where people would enjoy it while also maintaining low cost production and time. It's basically the same that happened to games. It all became a big industry.
You really summed up all the feelings I had into actual coherent words. I watch much less anime now than I did in the past because of the mass produced rushed feel current anime has.
I think this hints at a larger issue with creative pursuits in general today. The ability to fix mistakes so easily in a sense hinders us from fully being immersed in the work. The full skill isnt needed anymore because of the "fix it in post" problem . Great video too!
I still think Howl's Moving Castle was a fantastic way to be introduced to anime, but also a massive hindrance to how I originally saw other animation.
Not to say they weren't as good, but my bar was already set so high thanks to Studio Ghibli
Correct me if I'm wrong here but I felt a very similar way about the inherent magic of old-time cell animation, but now that I have collected some authentic animation cells and scanned them into a computer I've come to the conclusion that they look basically identical to shows that are colored digitally
I kind of think the real thing that we're fetishizing is the camera that these images were shot with, and that that gives them the unique look. because cel animation thats scanned into a computer (like early family guy) looks basically identical to digitally colored shows .
I think The analog camera compressing all of the colors and looking slightly out of focus is what gives those shows The Rustic authentic look
It’s not about style it’s about effort.
3 years ago I talked to some people in tokyo related to GITS, they told me how in the 80s and 90s anime industry was actually really small and not being the focus of big corporations. They were more concerned on how to fix the lost decade..... So it was a period were artistic freedom was BIG. Now anime is a world corporate business where profit is god. Look at the music, how now all series need to have some shitty pop band doing the same shit all the time. So... appreciate the classics. They are classics for something.
See I like Digital anime, because when done competently, it can look as aesthetically pleasing if not more pleasing than 80's - 90's anime, the problem though is that the adaption of Digital anime has pretty much meant the extinction of traditional cel-animation, the last notable one I can think of off the top of my head is Redline, which took over half a decade to make (although that was due to the scope of the project and likely other factors).
Cel animation is generally more aesthetic to me than most digital anime tend to be, but there are plenty of Digital that I like nearly as much if not more than cel, I just wish they could co-exist, the sad thing is, it's even happened to Disney and Dreamworks (although tbf Dreamworks only did 2 or 3 2D films, but one of them was Prince of Egypt which was one of their best).
Redline was digitally painted, they did not use cels. youre getting it mixed up with the fact that all of the car animations were hand drawn and not 3d models. Redline was all drawn with no 3D. But it took 7 years because, takeshi koike could only work on it in between major projects. For him redline was purely a passion project. unfortunately it bombed in japan. If fathom evens and gkids was a thing 10 years a go im sure the american sales would have helped it out. But it only got shown on the film festival circuit over here.
It’s reason the reason Megalo Box looked so good to me. Had that traditional feel with modern elements without looking generic.
Redline was just as digital as any anime this century, my dude. It just had a really cool art style.
Omg a fellow boogiepop fan!!! Thank god, I thought I was the only one! I love (and own) the first 6 light novels and I've seen the original anime twice! Compared to the 2019 adaptation, the live action film is far better. You can imagine how heart broken I was when the new adaptation came out.
I'd love it if you'd make videos on boogiepop in the future
The biggest issues between new and old anime, which I think extends to animation in general are pretty simple.
Time constraints: in either writing or aesthetic/animation, often both. Arcane was a new widely acclaimed series, it was essentially a 4 hour advertisement with nothing to say but they spent 6 years developing it. They produced IMO one of the greatest scenes in animation history, only possible by having time to refine itself.
Risk aversion: Creators and artist self-censor and limitate their own abilities to only what they think will sell, meaning only mass appeal. The industry is devoid of edginess like in the late 80's-90's, or any sort of rebellious counter culture.
Arcane is a perfect example, completely sanitized of any meaningful social commentary or philosophy despite utilizing very heavy themes. This is the sole reason I refuse to call it a classic or masterpiece, I'm not sure it could even be called art. Art in the most basic terms is a medium of human expression, Arcane wasnt created from humans it was manufactured by a video game company.
Lack of intellectual inspiration: In short, nobody reads those boring long old books anymore. Writers are just recycling industry tropes and cliche's instead of touching grass or learning culture. "bad guy go boom" is the summation of just about anything that isnt a romance.
This is the real reason behind Ghibli Studio, specifically Hayao Miyazaki's success. He reads classical literature and utilizes his interactions with people around him to create those vivid worlds and dynamic characters. In interviews he seems very self-aware of that fact, criticising "otaku subculture". The studio's amazing animation is just icing on the cake.
Add those 3 factors together and we get a rushed collection of generic drawings telling a story about nothing, created by a group of infantilized technicians that dont go outside. Does that sound entertaining?
Animators want a social life too. Traditional animators from the 90's sacrificed it for so little recognition.
Megumi Hayashida they didn't do it to get fame, they did it because they were driven and cared for the craft. Their dedication is why their work was so good
@@patrioticcat5768 indeed. 'Dedication' is the key word. As an artist myself fame is not the ultimate goal at all but I do think every artists deep down still desire some sort of reward or honorary title when the work has been done properly and the result is surprisingly ahead of its time or beyond expectations. That being said, yes you can tell when an anime is made out of passion instead of a messy development underpressure due to reaching deadlines on time. And they didn't even have the same types of advertisers back then to fund their campaigns/marketing strategy including the whole distribution. But also I'm not sure if animators income is proportional to their efforts even nowadays... all these factors are questionable and complementary in order to produce top quality anime (IMO).
the pinnacle of anime for me was the 1999 version of HxH.
i see you are a person of high culture
90's anime ❤️
what's the name of the anime at 0:50, the guy pulling up wood or something similar using powers?
It hits me hard everytime someone talks about the Berserk (2016,2017) and TG:re ?
Enough sobbing for now. Nice video BTW.
it really sucks that some studios just look for quick cash and dont even try to make a good series. especially with those two, I had the feeling they were just using the popularity of the source material to get some money, instead of faithfully adapting those series. this has nothing to do with animation style, era or anything like that. it's just shitty greedy companies abusing their power to make money, destroying anything the mangaka envisioned or the fans wanted. this really makes me sad.
@@Fabiocean2000 yeah. Berserk's studio was incompetent and Pierrot (:re's studio) let's just say their priorities aren't in the right place.
@@yaksh2953 aka the Naruto machine
3D Berserk was good the best anime in that style, u just gotta watch every episode, nerds made complaining a trend, so episodes stopped coming
Tokyo ghoul was just rushed
5:52 this music is a Zelda song can anyone tell me where to find it and who it's by? I think it's the opening theme for ocarina of time but I'm looking for this version of it.
did u find it?
Old anime, new anime.. As long as it's got a captivating storyline and relatable characters, I don't really care much about drawing techniques used, as long as it's bearable to watch.
Me too :)
I’m not sure if I agree with that at all. The reason I watch animation in the first place...it’s because of the animation...if I just wanted to experience something with great storylines and relatable characters than I could just grab a novel and read it...
@@robto yeah but a novel has a significantly different storytelling techniques when compared to filmmaking and animation.
Today is anime is shit compared to the animes of the past
as someone from the 90's generation i don't think the old era is better than this one (except in gore, in the past didn't shy away from blood which is cool) but the number of legendary shows from that era is much less compared to this era (due to variation of total produced shows) best animes from 90's in my opinion: Berserk, Slam Dunk, Hunter (modern adaptation is better) + One Piece & Detective Conan (both are still running)
what are the anime at 0:51, and 0:56 called?
i disagree, i see no problem with digital art, i just think some people get stuck in nostalgia goggles for older anime, their where PLENTY of mistakes made in old anime like cowboy bebop and the like that people just either refuse to acknowledge or just blow off as a "crack in the vase" sort of thing, but digital art does a lot to help the industry, for instance, the company would have to spend money on supplies and less on the artist themselves if not for digital art, also having a finality to the art itself as is with ink and painting and such, would put immense stress on an artist, their are tons of stories out their about this artist or that artist passing out, getting sick, or outright dying from overwork, and sure it still happens, btu that's less to do with the actual work itself and more with the workload in general as one bad thing to come out of dig art is the idea that poeple think it doesn't take as long, but that's not true at all, and all that immense stress along with shorter deadlines builds up.
To name a few, Kazunori Mizuno died from alleged overworking, he was a veteran artist and story boarder for several anime, this might be more of a case of work load v.s. actual work material, but the point still stands, working with digital, long as the programs are working fine and such, is MUCH less stressful than working with more finalized materials, it's still stressful, sure, but not nearly as bad. Having only one go at something DOES NOT make you do a better job, it makes you TRY to do your best and honestly, if bad mistakes are made, would take time, lots of time to redo or even slightly correct some mistakes, i can point out SEVERAL mistakes old shows made in anime like cowboy bebop and the like where something was off color on one or two frames, or a line or two on the line art was gone because the color went over it or moments were action wasn't happening so the budget dropped and the animation kinda went caput for a second, sure that still happens sometimes now, like with dbz and all it's corner cutting nonsense these days, and while i do like the look of traditional art i have t disagree, as an artist i can tell you, if not for digital art, i would not even BEGIN to try to get into inking or coloring i'd still be a sketch artist because it was cheap, affordable and forgiving, in my opinion digital art has given many people opportunities and i would also like to point out that aside from early new series berserk, the switch to cg isn't always bad and the animation for the new eva wasn't that badly done either, certainly doesn't look like power rangers for one, personally, i disagree, nice video though, it was well made and the information was consistant, i'm subscribing, i find your content enjoyable, i hope you don't take this comment too hard friend, i just like throwing my two cents in soemtimes, that's all it is really, take it or leave it, it's fine by me, have a good one man
There's reason why early 2000's anime have not aged well artistic wise , partly due to being fixed resolution (480p) looks like crap compared cel based anime that's has ability to be remastered in HD. It's far from nostalgia.
@@Temujin18S idk why, I prefer the late 90s to mid 00s digital animation
the guy has no empathy at all in the artists. It should be better if he was the one doing that kind of work where you have a limited resources and a little mistake you made in an almost done frame can make you redo everything. I'm sure lot of artist that were involve in cel animation have a relief finding out that they can redo easily and a small mistake can be corrected in a very small amount of time.
what's the music at 2:55?
Its not the medium that matters in making good animation, but rather, it's execution.
Which movie/show is the girl from at 0:14 ? Just wondering.
I both agree and disagree with you. See, the differences you point out are valid enough, however, none of them are because of the digitalization of the technics used or CGI. Using modern technics is not a limitation, it's an opportunity. Using modern technics one can achieve everything possible in the past as well as making things that could not be done before. The problem is not the technology, but how this technology is ut utilized. Granted, I do agree bad digital/CGI is a lot worse than bad drawings, however great digital/CGI more than weighs up for this in the ling run.
name of the anime at 0:55 the burning kid?
I don't think the popularity of 90's anime is down to nostalgia. When I first discovered anime like Dragon Ball and Evangelion I was totally in love with how beautiful they looked and that was what initially drew me to watch them, fortunately the story's were equally brilliant. I haven't even watched Dragon Ball Super because I've seen how bad the clips look, and it doesn't draw me in. The one exception to this is the Dragon Ball Super Broly Movie, which actually looks beautiful.
So in summary, it's down to how much time they spend to make the animation look good. Most anime these days just doesn't look good, whereas 90 anime was famous for how eye pleasing it was and still is.
He simply restricted the discussion too much to those technical points, probably because he must be an "animation" nerd (i mean the actual production proccess). Not even in videogames the long lasting power of certain products is very dependent on similar technical points related to visuals. Like, it's a fundamental part of the whole, but still a part.
BTW that's another area where the "it's just nostalgia" card is thrown out all the time irresponsibly to destroy a potential productive discussion about old vs new. That's very common in the internet.
Amazing production work man. Must have taken a dozen+ hours gathering all the footage.
90s anime were more open to more original stories but I altogether like digital more then cell. Cell has its charm and I love vampire hunter d bloodlust which to me was the pinnacle of cel, but wasnt one punch man season 1 and mob psycho 100 done digital? They don't seem to suffer, that's for sure.
I see it like this: the 50's-70's were enjoyable to those of that era, because it was new and there was nothing to make comparisons, but the technology was changing a lot and adapting to it was hard which led to so many shows looking awful by today's standards. Move to the 80's-00's and you have the pinnacle of the format, as people had decades of shows to look back on and improve upon, along with immense competition, people had to really up the talent and anyone who HAD talent was allowed to work with big budget; the phenomenon of OVA's added a lot to this, as some 1-3 episode animations were fantastic more so than some 26 ep series. Now we're starting back over with people figuring out how to use digital, more competition than over before, harder sales market, basically taking anything that seems new and just debasing the whole thing where 80% is totally unwatchable and a handful of shows/movies are actually still really good.So, possibly the 2020's will display some seriously good shit!
Aaaaaaaaa the man returns!~
Modern anime is terrible!
bryan c Not Hunter X Hunter 2011
Massive thanks!
This is a video which I've been looking for a long time. I had a long break from anime (about 15 years) and now I'm coming back to it. I'm happy to watch older titles like Berserk, GITS, Akira, Ninja Scroll, Paprika, Cowboy Bebop, Spriggan, Perfect Blue or NGE and basically - love it!
I've tried to watch some new releases, but it's too much of everything squeezed in to small amount of time. Your video explain exactly the difference and now I know what to look for. I hope that maybe someone could recommend me few titles from that period of time.
Thanks again and keep up good work! 👍
I'd recommend Hunter X Hunter the most. Attack on Titan, Fate/Zero and JoJo's Bizarre Adventure are all great too. Happy watching.
While I don't disagree really disagree one the points you made regarding the texture change from cell to digital, I do feel you put too much emphesis on the 90's being the best time for anime, when really anime didn't enter the broader western consiousness until the 90's.The 70's and esspcially the 80's could be regarded just as highly as the 90's but to this day the decades before broadcast releases are signficantly harder for western fans to get into do to lack of avaliablity.(the ammount of times i wanted to watch a show from the 80's but no fan sub exists is saddening)
90s American cartoons are better examples of utilizing cel shading animation to a fullest, and a seamless transition to digital.
Soundtrack at 5:46 ?
digital is just a medium. everything is still drawn by people the same way as on paper. you can control z, but on paper you use an eraser. if you suck at drawing, your drawing will look like shit. color choice, composition, direction, how characters move have nothing to do with the medium you use.
what's the name of the anime at 0:55 and 08:25?
I hate cgi anime
can someone please give me a pure hand drawing 2d anime
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put your list downblow
OnePunch-Man
Mob psycho 100
Jojo's Bizzare Adventure
Megalo Box
And more
All those too *new*
Death note
BLAME! broke my heart. Waited decades for this and we got this stuttering shitshow.
try "Akira" or "Princess Mononoke"
damn I didn't even realize Berserk used a bunch of stills until you pointed it out. It was done so well.
Miyazaki already explained what happened: Anime that is by Otaku for Otaku.
Yup. Animation made by wannabes, instead of professionals who know anatomy and understand how people actually move and interact in real life. Without these fundamentals, everything looks "off", bland and soulless, no matter how spiky you make a characters hair, how big their sword is, or how many zippers and buckles are on their outfit. This is why new anime is terrible, it has no soul.
Anime will never look and have the same amazing impression that the 80's and 90's had. A lost art. I miss the feeling of hand drawn animation so much. My fave art style is from Hokuto No Ken.
HATATATATATATATA etc
If they went back, the style would feel soulless because besides the retro boom in video games throw backs tend to suck, because you just won’t capture what the old style was, nor should you want to.
I would be interested in a 2000's anime, if an anime used 90's art.
Michee 2000s anime is actually pretty similar to 90s and 80s anime it’s just the 2010s that have the clean digital look
Digital is undoubtedly the best medium we've ever invented, period.
The only limit with it is your creativity.
A lot of what people blame digital for is actually down to lazy and cheap animation practices. Over-reliance on poorly mixed CG and Linework, insipid colour palettes, poor storyboarding, bad art direction.
Releases like Crybaby, Mob Psycho, kill la kill, even as far back as the original FLCL just outright prove that a talented, passionate director and animation team can create absolute works of art in digital media. I think the 80s hit a golden age of traditional animation and I love the classic, gritty feel of the original GitS and Akira. But I also think we're likely heading into a golden age of digital animation now. Sure there's a lot of drek, but there are some absolutely gorgeous films and series being created right now.
I disagree soo damn HARD you won't even fucking believe.
You don't know how LONG i've waited till' someone talk about it. honestly, too many shows coming out.
that money just being waste. you know what they could've done with all the money they spent on pointless isekai & harem anime? idk maybe ACTUAL good shit.
I feel the same way about Disney/Marvel merger and pooping out too many films this decade. Kind of kills interest for me.
@@Helaw0lf well.. with Marvel at least they're publishing is no where near what anime has in Quantity. that's why Marvel's aren't disposable. except 2-3 movies
@Bobo Boy Spiderman was a good movie writting wise. telling a good coming of age story and great comedy. it's only problem is that it's not a good SPIDERMAN movie. and since 2017 we still got Ragnarok and infinity war
what is the anime @0:55 with the guy in flames
When I thought about how more enjoyable Jojo's Bizarre Adventure was in comparison to the original series, you brought it up. It was relieving. The new production utilized digital animation to it's fullest and the re-make was extremely well executed. Alongside the creative and original story of Jojo, it was a match made in heaven.
Michelle V Couldn’t have said it better.
I personally disagree. The modern day anime adaptation of JoJo has the same exact flat, overly brightly colored, cheap shiny animation that just about every modern series has. Theres so many scenes where character proportions whether it's their face or body look way off. The backgrounds don't stick out, and the characters just look flatly placed into them. The 90's OVA, while unfortunate that it only covers Stardust Crusaders (with a lot of content cut) looks so much more visually appealing. Darker color palettes, the backgrounds actually look beautiful and hand drawn making them pop out instead of just being there, the characters are drawn in such a detailed manner. And I also much prefer how Stands were animated with a transparency to them. It just looks better overall
honestly it wouldnt be that big a problem is the stories were more in depth. some new anime has a great story, but most just fall together. with the thousands of shows we get now, only a few feel really unique. art style is one thing, story is a whole other half.
Technology does not always make things better.
It really does when applied correctly, they could maintain the art style while using digital drawing for faster production.
@@vladdx I'll encourage you to read Brave New World by Aldous Huxley sir.
@@P7Hook Thanks for the suggestion, I always wanted to read that book as I've heard it has similarities with 1984 by George Orwell.
What was that anime you showed with that guy fighting that fire guy in that abandoned building? Looks interesting.
there are many great anime released today. each season has at least three. All these videos talking about how things like music, film etc. now suck are getting really redundant
name 3 great anime of 2018
@@joek600 Violet Evergarden, Grand Blue and Banana Fish. This is even without the serialized ones like Gintama, Jojo, BNHA, AOT, Saikik...
@@Grgonaldo not exactly what I mean when Im thinking of ''great'' anime
0:57 anime name plz...
Kizumonogatari
I love your videos but I simply cant agree. all of the comparisons you made had wildly different staff and visions behind them. a good example would be ghibli films as little vision changes staff wise between the 2 mediums. your examples had wildly different variables.
This, I found the comparisons made incredibly simplistic and frankly offensive. The whole argument that the 90s were more memorable than the 80s because a few shows had some filters over them also needs a lot more work to convince me.
Could someone tell me the name of the anime at 2:26?
Angel’s Egg!! - A frickin’ masterpiece! Be sure to watch it, it’s on UA-cam - just type the name in!
Up to the 90s, anime characters looked like human beings. Now they look like... anime characters.
that is what they are though
Anime characters looking like anime, gee I wonder why ?!
bruh
It isn't impossible to get a similar feel to traditional cel animation. Its comes down to the way things are animated , the layout, the background paintings set , color scripts and the way things are composited. Take a look at my Instagram, i have a test digicel of a girl on top of a rendered background, Composited to fit more of a traditional aesthetic. With effort and proper study this look can be salvaged, the industry just chooses not to do it . Long story short, color scripting, compositing and color grading is key. I'll stress this even more than anything else, COMPOSITING IS THE KEY STAGE IN ACHIEVING THIS LOOK! This is isnt a plug, but if you want to see an example of this look reproduced digitally check out my gallery i have a couple of images in which i have obtained a more traditional cel painted look .
link one: instagram.com/p/BvkQNz8BhZT/
link 2: instagram.com/p/Bvos7Q_AdAS/
link 3: instagram.com/p/Bvf9tejl8JU/
Good stuf I see what your saying after taking a look at the first link.
I love the old Berserk anime but you kinda have to admit that it mostly looked like ass, even for its time. There is lots of really awkward looking stuff there. Berserk has yet to get a really good anime adaptation.
I disagree strongly
Considering Cowboy Bebop came out a year after original Berserk, yeah the production was underwhelming in comparison. The Golden Age Arc movies were excellent though. Just watched them again recently and those were about as perfect adaptations as I've seen for any series to be honest.
Cell-shaded shows near the end of that era still retained some of the graininess that came with a physical medium (along with slight differences in colour and frame position), which immediately makes them look more interesting. It's similar to a cell-shaded drawing with a grainy filter. It looks like more time and effort was put into it, it looks more 'physical/real', and it draws the eye more. There was probably a lot of limitations with paint colouring as well, some colours that are easy to get on screen can't really be mixed irl leading to more muted, realistic colour palettes.
I mostly agree with what you're saying, but every season there is at least one or two stellar looking shows. Made in Abyss sticks with me still, and Dororo is great. At least some studios are learning from what the fans prefer. For instance, there was a lot of criticism of the Colossal Titan being CG in the second season, so when the Turkey Titan appeared in season 3, the shots that mattered (close-up of the non existent face, entrails spilling etc) were hand drawn.
80s, 90s anime >>>>now.
Early 2000s too like naruto death note & many more but yes the legendary era's are the 80s and 90s and the 2000s had good shows
Thank you for so precisely explaining what I have been thinking for years. Do you think you could closed caption edit in all the animes you used? I thought I was a level 10 weebo but must be only level 5 as I did not know half the animes you used in this great video.
I was with you until you said the undo button was to blame, that's absolutely misinformed, tell those classic animators they should just drop erasers and never make revisions
I never implied that they shouldn't make revisions, my implication was that the finality of applying acrylic paint would have caused a more precise end result as they only had a certain amount of frames to work with and so, with the pressure of not being allowed to make an error, more frames would have ended up with a higher quality through the sheer stress of having a limitation. The storyboarding and planning of shots would also revolve around this limitation to ensure that they wouldn't run out of these frames. So whilst it seems like I'm only talking about a colouring process, all stages are tightly related together, and whilst the planned animatics SHOULD be heavily revised for practicality, the finished frame cannot be revised due to the nature of acrylic paint. I hope that clarifies it a little, I in no way meant to belittle the glory that is the undo button.
Great video man, really well thought out and made well.
And yeah, i agree a lot of new series do indeed lack the creativity older series had, and a big reason for that might be as you said in the video, but i also think that another reason that there is so much released today, the quantity of anime is wayyyy higher today. I just think the percentage of creative anime has decrease but not the actual amount of creative anime
Very good and insightful video.
I'm one of those who prefer the 90s and early 2000s anime. I wish it would come back.
Have you seen the new ONE PUNCH MAN season 2 trailer? It looks so weak animation wise..such a disapointment because the content from the manga gets progressively better.
OPM season 2 they chose fast cash over quality. They couldn't get the original staff together cause they were on other projects. But they didn't wanna wait any longer to put out a season 2 CAUSE OPM is still hot.
what were the animes at 0:51 and 0:56?
Kizumonogatari at 0:56 anyway
Lack of ideas, lazy aninators and character designs and more of a cookoe cutter approach
I would add wrong directors also. Ahem, Berserk 2010s?
@Bobo Boy btoom?
Lazy animators?🤦🏾♂️ u sound real stupid saying that man
Naruto is the best example of what you’re talking about. Watch the first half of Naruto then watch a late Shippuden episode. If you can’t see the lifelessness and soullessness of the latter, then you’re not engaging with the art in any way but the most base. It’s impossible to miss the pop of the analogue drawings, and the heart that’s put into the faces that just isn’t there in the latter. Someone else said these new anime is like watching early 2000 flash animations, and that is so right.
This isn’t to say all new anime is bad. Psycho Pass, for example, is brilliant and looks brilliant.
also you forgot to mention the music when actual band did it back then but now its all generic pc made background elevator music
Here's somebody who has no idea what they're talking about
8:48 what anime is this?
Nisemonogatari
I just say:
Attack on Titan
There was an anime block on TechTV (Betterman, Soul Taker, Banner of the Stars, and Serial Experiments Lain IIRC). The Read or Die OVA came out there. SciFi would show anime every now and again. It used to be such a joy to stumble onto that stuff. So many good memories, man.
It's not only anime but movies too. Everything nowadays looks way too clean and has no depth. (2005 King kong vs 2017's)