The sun gods lost pops might be from what I'll call "abandoned pops" that happens when a tower shoots and disappears before hitting, thus the damage is dealt but the pops don't have a tower placed to attribute to, so the pops aren't recorded anywhere. This is most obvious when using the UCAV as it fires power yet slow missiles and often disappears before it's last missiles hit. The damage is recorded and attfibuted to the invisible sub-tower UCAV (or Marine gunner/Sentry Turret for other towers which can be viewd), and added to the parent tower, but if the turret or UCAV disappears before it's projectile hits and damage is dealt/recorded, the damage is still dealt but not recorded to the now non-existing tower and you may notice as a result your CHIMPS popcount is sub-2 megapops which shouldn't be possible
Na, it's just that the planes as part of military sacrifice don't count for pops for whatever reason. You can quickly see this in sandbox. I also suspect this is why people diss on Military sacrifices so much, as the planes literally don't count their pops which are well over half the point of the military sacrifice
Since the first 100 rounds give you just 2 mio pops (0,2%), I'd just focus on having a setup that deletes the rounds as fast as possible, till the high hp RZOMGs come.
Midway thru he points out how he’s almost veteran level, but we can see at the start he’s already veteran, so we can assume that he recorded the intro after
Trying to give the tower all the pops is the strat if you want the lowest _round_ , but if you want the lowest _time_ it's always better to anti-stall the rounds so the tower is always getting maximum DPS. This is doubly true for the BMA and Navarch because you want to move along ramping as quickly as possible for their one-shots to yield the most pops.
The reason that the pops on the VTSG were so low is because the planes don’t count towards pops (which is weird I know) Edit: turns out this is false I did my research a year ago and didn’t see the change in the update logs so thought it was the same
Tested the TSG in sandbox and planes count towards the pops, there's no debate over that. But something is scatchy there. I don't really know how pops are counted, but they are different on almost every test I run. Not as significantly as in the video but it's still weird.
Idk because I haven't tested yet, but wouldn't the strat be to basically instakill the first 100 or so rounds as quickly as possible instead of getting stalls and letting the BMA get the pops? Considering the first 100 rounds take so long to pop with the BMA and only amount to around 2 million pops, I would assume it would be best to ramp up scaling as quickly as possible before letting the BMA get the majority of pops using stalls. This also lets you farm faster (realtimewise) because the rounds go by much faster.
It seems to me the bottom parh beast handler would have been really helpful here. It could drag the zomgs away from your defenses to give the BMA more of a chance with them after they come out of the BADs.
now im curious how well some random towers that may not be the best at popping power can be my ideas are: decent -> 5-0-2 tack, 5-0-2 bomb, , 5-0-2 heli, 5-0-2 ace and 2-5-0 wizard could be amazing -> 5-2-0 spike factory, 2-5-0 super and 2-0-5 super hard/sucky towers 5-0-2 druid and 2-5-0 glue (and honourable mention to a 0-0-0 dart monkey) i would love to see serious attempts with the 5-2-0 spike factory as it is a bloon destroyer and im curious how excessively long attempts would be for 5-0-2 druid, if its possible at all with 2-5-0 glue, and how things go with a 0-0-0 dart
My ranking : 1 navarch cuz hook 2:bma basically navarch but worse 3 vtsg bc it does the same amount of damage and the others oneshot no matter the health The cost wont matter cuz u can get them till round 100 and 2mil pops wont rlly mattet
honestly with how exponential it is the best strategy is probably to speedrun the rounds so when you do get enough money to god boost the alc the moabs have much higher health.
The pops the projectiles of the mini sun avatar gets after it despawns doesn't count for the main tower, it also happens for the sentry champion and the engi paragon
I think the vtsg will be the fastest, I know that the bma usually outdoes it in total pops, but but I think those are usually mostly stolen pops more than they are necessary pops. I think the bma will win in time, depending on how you deal with the bads. My prediction will be time: bma. Vtsg. Boat. Rounds: vtsg, bma, boat
I’m not sure how you make BMA usable in chimps or in free play. I’d like to think that making it give the same value as defeating a Moab would help but that might make it too overpowered for CHIMPS. Maybe a monkey knowledge? Or you could change it to a damage over time effect, like a much stronger bloon solver? Because right now its niche isn’t really helpful given the need to buff paragons in free play and it being actively harmful in chimps.
i feel like this is a misuse of the term clickbait. a semi reasonable person will understand that all it does is convey the goal of the video, and give a reference of how long it'll take. it doesnt really lie about anything due to how obviously and intentionally fake looking the achievement is. it told me what to expect from the video and i understood.
@@josh-gu6zi i dont have the clip but through text, that sounds a lot like sarcasm. also that doesnt mean this is clickbait when its just not misleading in any way.
The sun gods lost pops might be from what I'll call "abandoned pops" that happens when a tower shoots and disappears before hitting, thus the damage is dealt but the pops don't have a tower placed to attribute to, so the pops aren't recorded anywhere. This is most obvious when using the UCAV as it fires power yet slow missiles and often disappears before it's last missiles hit. The damage is recorded and attfibuted to the invisible sub-tower UCAV (or Marine gunner/Sentry Turret for other towers which can be viewd), and added to the parent tower, but if the turret or UCAV disappears before it's projectile hits and damage is dealt/recorded, the damage is still dealt but not recorded to the now non-existing tower and you may notice as a result your CHIMPS popcount is sub-2 megapops which shouldn't be possible
Na, it's just that the planes as part of military sacrifice don't count for pops for whatever reason. You can quickly see this in sandbox.
I also suspect this is why people diss on Military sacrifices so much, as the planes literally don't count their pops which are well over half the point of the military sacrifice
Oh wow i never thought about that... Interesting!
Also like it probably wasn’t the main problem(the main problem is prob the one above) but after round 140 it is kinda random so
19:09 that was out of nowhere LMFAO💀
he's not wrong. I love edging
Bomk
EXACTLY
Ik
Who gon tell him
It's not a MackanRules video if he doesn't accidentally create a regrow farm
The fact that he said help got me dying😂😂
Busted my ass out laughing when that happened LMAO
bro the random "I heard you guys like edging" is fuckin' wild
Personally, I don't need a billion pops. My one dad is good enough for me.
good comment
damn, thats true.
Lucky bastard
Preach
TACO
Since the first 100 rounds give you just 2 mio pops (0,2%), I'd just focus on having a setup that deletes the rounds as fast as possible, till the high hp RZOMGs come.
Double HP Moabs > Easy
got it round 244 on park path when i did it
Yep. There’s also a claim that could be made for monkey knowledge being disabled
@@zhiqiangchen6235Better, reset knowledge and get it all excepting Moab sabotage (or however it's called)
@@genio2509 impoppable too.
@@BirdBro2 Why? It doesn't increase Moab HP or RBE in any way
I know you don't want pops on Adora but seeing you get a VTSG and not ascending Adora felt criminal
19:11 i never in my life expected you to say "edging"
how did you watch 19 minutes of the video when it got uploaded 7 minutes ago
@@nir1790 speedrunner strats
ua-cam.com/video/zYCNDjsKkmw/v-deo.htmlsi=9XPi0COpUwuV3FV_
This is when he first said edging
edging to this comment rn
@@glefyr i cast 9 months pregnant
0:04 bro re-recorded the into after doing the rest of the recording and thought we wouldnt notice
what?
He had this achievement before, just not the secret one.
@@skillerwiller9882 he means the veteran levels
Midway thru he points out how he’s almost veteran level, but we can see at the start he’s already veteran, so we can assume that he recorded the intro after
thats very common
Ok, ezili will make a big difference for the BMA as the insides of the bads are worth almost half the pops
9:25 the top path ices are really getting it on
aint no way you played this long without small bloons. you are a madman
Trying to give the tower all the pops is the strat if you want the lowest _round_ , but if you want the lowest _time_ it's always better to anti-stall the rounds so the tower is always getting maximum DPS.
This is doubly true for the BMA and Navarch because you want to move along ramping as quickly as possible for their one-shots to yield the most pops.
27:27 gg, crazy that u weren't veteran before
You should’ve chosen Apopalypse for the gamemode, as the no waiting between rounds really speeds things up.
The reason that the pops on the VTSG were so low is because the planes don’t count towards pops (which is weird I know)
Edit: turns out this is false
I did my research a year ago and didn’t see the change in the update logs so thought it was the same
thats just blatantly untrue. i just tested it and the planes definitely count towards the main towers pops.
Tested the TSG in sandbox and planes count towards the pops, there's no debate over that. But something is scatchy there. I don't really know how pops are counted, but they are different on almost every test I run. Not as significantly as in the video but it's still weird.
You could try doing a 2 gigapops
Basically a 2 mega pops but 2 billion instead of 2 million
Or maybe 200 million if 2 billion is too much
21:24 Mackan finally sees the light! 😅
Idk because I haven't tested yet, but wouldn't the strat be to basically instakill the first 100 or so rounds as quickly as possible instead of getting stalls and letting the BMA get the pops? Considering the first 100 rounds take so long to pop with the BMA and only amount to around 2 million pops, I would assume it would be best to ramp up scaling as quickly as possible before letting the BMA get the majority of pops using stalls. This also lets you farm faster (realtimewise) because the rounds go by much faster.
Isab actually already did this challenge a few years ago so its funny yall had the same idea
There's only so many things to do with monkeys and balloons
Fax
@@TheSportsBreakDownFact*
"I heard you guys like edging" caught me off guard lmao
My dad got me into Bloons, now I’m kind of good, I’m excited to hit 1 billion pops
My dad has diabeetes
1:26 could be wrong about this but I believe that BMA always targets the strongest bloon with his red bloon potion
Lotis island or spice island you can fit so much more boats. And with geraldo totems you can get a level 100 as early as round 110
I think the navarch is going to do he best because the insta kill on the bad balloons will help speed through the rounds
It seems to me the bottom parh beast handler would have been really helpful here. It could drag the zomgs away from your defenses to give the BMA more of a chance with them after they come out of the BADs.
I think ban is 1st in time and rounds then vtsg is second in rounds then boat is nd in time and vtsg is third in rounds and boat is third in time
now im curious how well some random towers that may not be the best at popping power can be
my ideas are:
decent -> 5-0-2 tack, 5-0-2 bomb, , 5-0-2 heli, 5-0-2 ace and 2-5-0 wizard
could be amazing -> 5-2-0 spike factory, 2-5-0 super and 2-0-5 super
hard/sucky towers 5-0-2 druid and 2-5-0 glue (and honourable mention to a 0-0-0 dart monkey)
i would love to see serious attempts with the 5-2-0 spike factory as it is a bloon destroyer
and im curious how excessively long attempts would be for 5-0-2 druid, if its possible at all with 2-5-0 glue, and how things go with a 0-0-0 dart
ISAB has a whole bunch of vids about maxbuffing certain towers, check it out!
My ranking : 1 navarch cuz hook
2:bma basically navarch but worse
3 vtsg bc it does the same amount of damage and the others oneshot no matter the health
The cost wont matter cuz u can get them till round 100 and 2mil pops wont rlly mattet
Do you have a unclipped version of the BMA? I wanted to know what you sacrificed for the Sun God and True Sun God. Loved the video!
2:37 the bma threw the red bloon potion as he threw the acid pool potion which was a little behind the moab it might be the reason the bma missed
honestly with how exponential it is the best strategy is probably to speedrun the rounds so when you do get enough money to god boost the alc the moabs have much higher health.
“I heard you guys like edging” is crazy 💀💀
The pops the projectiles of the mini sun avatar gets after it despawns doesn't count for the main tower, it also happens for the sentry champion and the engi paragon
2:35 That's all you need to know about BMA. No further explanation is required.
@2:59 killed me😂
I am LOVING theses daily uploads
I think the vtsg will be the fastest, I know that the bma usually outdoes it in total pops, but but I think those are usually mostly stolen pops more than they are necessary pops.
I think the bma will win in time, depending on how you deal with the bads.
My prediction will be time: bma. Vtsg. Boat.
Rounds: vtsg, bma, boat
This achievement is much easier than you think
Im so used to bloonstubers being hyper family-friendly, so I was cought way off guard whenever mackan swore.
15:52 What're those particles on top of the Carrier Flagship?
probably gerry fire
Second time Heartstopper has ever unironically been used:
I’m not sure how you make BMA usable in chimps or in free play. I’d like to think that making it give the same value as defeating a Moab would help but that might make it too overpowered for CHIMPS. Maybe a monkey knowledge? Or you could change it to a damage over time effect, like a much stronger bloon solver? Because right now its niche isn’t really helpful given the need to buff paragons in free play and it being actively harmful in chimps.
I love watching unscripted MackanRules
If navarch was in a map close to the entrance, the rounds would go by faster and ir could probably beat VTSG
huh, ig I didn't realize how good the BMA was for cleanup of non BAD's
aint ISAB did this once
similar, but I don't think he did it as fast as possible, it was can you get 1 billion only using 1 tower or sumn
You should've just put a bunch of defenses at front of map to get through rounds as fast as possible. You can just drop BMA well after round 100
Did anyone else’s quality get deep fried for about 10 seconds during the boat part of the vid
First to 1B: boat paragone
Second: VTSG
Last: BMA
The vengeful sungod temple didnt have pops at the beggining meaning the pops reset once it becomes vengeful
Also easy to do on shattering shells, blooncin, XXL trap
wouldn't it be faster to play on a higher difficulty, since the MOAB-class bloons have higher base HP?
My bets:
Earliest round:
1st Navarch
2nd VTSG
3rd Bloon master alchemist
fastest time
1st BMA
2nd Navarch
3rd VTSG
do you have to get a billion pops in a single game? or is it overall?
Hey mackanrules the pops of the spectres or flying fortress isnt counting that is why there is so much round diffrence
3:00 😆
wouldn't it be more efficient to speed run the first rounds as fast as possible and then build your BMA on later rounds
Does the homeland defence +100% pops buff not effect paragons?
No, only paragon of power and other paragons can buff paragons
Took me a long time cause at that time it was bugged or something so it did not count. Support eventually helped me 😅
I’m pretty sure the planes from the Sun Temple TSG and VTSG don’t count towards the total pops. I might be wrong but I think they don’t.
They do count.
shouldn't you play with double hp moabs?
Congrats for getting 156 aka purple thing
Shouldn't you play on hard for the higher hp moabs or is the cost too big a downside
It's the planes from the vtsg (military sacrifices)they don't count for pops also the tier 4 temples planes steal pops too
They do count. I have never had a problem with the pop count from the planes.
the losses come from when the sun avatars have projectiles flying but then despawn, so the pops happen but are credited to nothing
what is my purpose
Guys i only have margarine
pass the butter
Pass the butter
Pass the butter
Pass the butter
Pass the butter
Alch for rounds, boat or vtsg for time
0:26 well what do you think!? Vtsg
"Lissan propali" 😂
You can use the igt to negate lag
fastest: bloon master. earliest round: navarch
damn it
Adora changes her form by the temple if in range
But why was adorah not turned into vengeful adorah?
Why not Obyn for the VTSG run?
Oh right, huge sacrifice buff
Now do the Sapper achievement speedrun
BMA for the win, my prediction
A bit late but It should be two things, VTSG plane pops dont count and unlucky Freeplay RBE
bro is NOT upgrading the banana farms fully (insert disappearing emoji meme here)
Free dart monkey:🗿
19:10 WAS SO RANDOM AND SO OUT OF POCKET
YOU NEVI R GAVE PERMA BREW TO The BMA ☠️☠️☠️ it was out of range
1 billion pops on supermines next?
Edging Mackan
how it the monkeopolis did permaspike solo a bad
it had enough spikes saved up since nothing else reached it
I think you should’ve focused on one thing, either rounds or time and not both
Edit: Oh you just said it youself😂
I don’t think the planes count towards the VTSG’s pops
They do
Navarch for both
BRO HOW DO YOU GET A ROUND 50 BMA??????????
you can get 6 figures before round 40. also fairly easy to do on easy mode because everythings so cheap
wouldn't playing on apopalypse be way faster?
How far can you get in BTD6 on custom maps?
i believe raxzor did a video on that (with slightly different rules, probably)
@@erierierierieriehe didn't finish tho
He only got to round 1000 despite the fact that you can get much further
@@Woah9394 doesn't the freeplay scaling cap eventually?
The click bait thumbnails are great.
Yes indeed, welcome to youtube, that's what people use to get clicks
@@Bupboy its entertaining to see the extremely exaggerated thumbnails. But it's a shame UA-camrs need to do it though.
i feel like this is a misuse of the term clickbait. a semi reasonable person will understand that all it does is convey the goal of the video, and give a reference of how long it'll take. it doesnt really lie about anything due to how obviously and intentionally fake looking the achievement is. it told me what to expect from the video and i understood.
@@erierierierierie mackan admired to using click bait In a previous video. He stated "god, I love click bait"
@@josh-gu6zi i dont have the clip but through text, that sounds a lot like sarcasm. also that doesnt mean this is clickbait when its just not misleading in any way.
navarch is ez win him pulling in the bads will giving tons of pops
You can only get four boats in that too pool
can you make a video on skibidi toilet pls
Lmao 3:49 got me 🤣🤣
19:09 😟
Round 39
I watched this while eating black pudding and scrambled eggs on toast with spring onions
28:10 i think there can be a lot of variation in freeplay, but I'd like confirmation