Logic Pro X on Apple M1. Demo with plugins from Waves, Fabfilter, Liquidsonics and Softube.
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- Опубліковано 21 лис 2020
- Here I show you live bench tests with Logic Pro X running under Big Sur on a 13" MacBook Pro with M1 Apple Silicon. The band-waggon UA-cam "beauty studio" personalities will tell you this won't work under Rosetta. But does it? I am keeping it real with a 48 track live band session recorded at 96K. We are going to test plugins from Waves, Fabfilter, Softube and Liquidsonics. Listen to this little MacBook Pro mix the session while playing synchronised video and recording itself all at the same time.
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I am enjoying finding audio guys with my searches for m1
Glad you found it!
do you have any recommendations?
Same here, planning to buy a MAC first time ever. Looks like I do not need to spend 3000 EUR anymore for my home hobby stuff.
I am too🤘😀
Same
Exciting times! Looking forward to the next year or so of development with this chipset.
Great videos for the M1 you made ! Finally someone who explains it how it really works. Greetings from Germany 🇩🇪
Thanks for getting straight to your personal/specific details and experiences instead of harping on about specs that can easily be searched for… this is the most 'real-world usage' video I've come across thus far.
Agreed. I am new to this but it would appear that quite a few UA-camr's seem to exist to provide UA-cam content rather than do _things_ with the tech. Regurgitate some specs with pictures and a bit of video and boom... 200,000 views!
You've made one of the best UA-cam channels for audio nerds... Thankyou for your help mate!
Happy to help!
I really like that you were addressing real working situations and not just testing benchmarks. I'm amazed you had all of that happening in Rossetta mode! You're right, when everything is eventually native for M1, these small Macs will be killer. Thanks for the video!
Agreed!
@Mark Payne. Finally ! Someone that with great knowledge and a simplified communication skills that delivers information about using the new M1Chip with audio ( DAW, plug-ins, and mostly the performance of this new Mac M1 system handling all of the above)! Thanks!
Thank you. Keep tuned....! I have no gigs (!) so I should be able to do more of this :-)
Ooh... Been waiting for this. Commenting before we even get into things 😆
End of video. Great first look. Thank you for sharing your findings so far.
Yay! Thank you!
Fantastic explanation. Thank you very much for going into this level of detail.
Glad it was helpful!
I’m really enjoying your vids. Learning a lot. Appreciate your time.
Glad to hear it! Thanks for saying hi!
Good day I most say thank you, as a music producer your page is really helpful for me. Am also really grateful for these videos on the M1, am currently in the process of getting one and these few videos were really helpful. Thank you
You're very welcome!
good job Mark. No fluff, straight to the bone...
I try!
Useful trumps beauty every time. Thanks Mark!!
Exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so much!
Glad I could help!
The really made my day. Had the problem Logic crashing, due to Rosetta was not checked in. Thanks!!
Excellent!
Thanks for your insight Mark. Great video.
Glad it was helpful!
The video we all needed !!
Wholesome!
Thank you, this answered some of the questions that I had about unsupported apps and the M1 processor.
Glad it helped.
Thankyou so much for this! You just saved me hours of frustration!
You're welcome!
Exactly what I was looking for, big help! Thanks a lot!
Glad it helped!
finally an informative video about this, thanks!
Thank you so much ! This Is one of the most important information I was searching for !
Glad it was helpful!
Man this was helpful you absolute legend thank you for this
No problem 👍
Thanks Mark. This is very helpful and I appreciate you haven taken the time to do this analysis and sharing with us. I'm on the fence buying a Macbook Pro 16"Intel vs Macbook Pro 13 M1 and now Im starting to lean towards the M1 13"
Glad it was helpful!
Hey Don!
Which one you chose?
Thx
Thanks for hitting back so quick. I decided to go ahead and jump in, and everything worked great but OBS. But I did a little research on the Internet and figured out how to solve the problem. I am also running version 11 of waves plug-ins and all is well. Also Consol 1, and my UAD stuff works well, so I’m in business. I didn’t have any outstanding projects, so I thought now would be a good time to make the switch over. Again, thank you for getting back so quick. Your video gave me the confidence to jump in and change my OS. God bless. Forgive my southern US dialect. 😎
I do run OBS but not on the M1 system yet. What was your experience here. You are saying you had some issues you fixed? Bless you.
Thanks Mark, really helpful!
You are most welcome Ryan!
Thanks for sharing Mark. I use a lot of Waves plugins so might wait until M1 is bedded in a bit more. I agree, these chips have amazing potential. Looking forward to seeing what they do with the 16" MBP.
Totally agree
Great video, mate. Thanks for this invaluable information. I have a Waves plugin that I have been concerned about and which is holding me back getting an M1 MacBook Air. Because of my concerns, I have been hesitant selling my Intel MacBook Pro. Now with this new information you’ve generously provided, I feel more confident. Thanks again. Greetings from Adelaide, South Australia.
Hi, yes think are running well but be warned that in general, none of my hardware interfaces are working. We are early in the pipe for this.
Thank you for this information. It’s incredibly helpful. Best regards
Glad it was helpful!
Really interesting to see how bunch of VST instruments performs on new M1 chip
Really helpful thanks so much for these vids - love it
Glad you like them!
always a fan of you Mr. P!
Thank you!
Hey thanks for this video, it has been a great help for me.
Glad it helped!
thank you sooooo much you are truly a hero Mark! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
You're welcome!
Mark, first of all thank you so much for all your videos on the M1, you've made me a subscriber. I have been considering a M1 air (still have a 2013 Macbook Air though) as I'm a bedroom guitarist and I've parted ways with my amps and soon will be parting ways with my multi-effects processor in order to use the M1 as my new guitar interface (plug-in based). My next step is to start learning a bit about music production. Looking forward to learning more from you!
I have used BiaxFx and I like that a lot for plugin guitar processing. Lots of people are having good results with the Helix and Kemper. I produce a band where both guitarists swap bass and guitar roles and they both have one Helix board each doing it all. I think the Helix is more versatile (cf the Kemper). I am not sure I would fully commit to a plugin only solution for GTR. I do like the direct sound of the Helix. That's what I would buy myself. I am playing less currently so no more guitar stuff for me!
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks for the reply Mark! I own a Helix LT and it has worked great. However, I'm looking to minimize my rig a little. I'm selling the Helix and planning to run Helix Native and Neural DSP plugins on the M1 air. I figured if I enjoy the Helix, I'll just buy the plugin version of the Helix + Neural DSP plugins (which sound superb) and use the M1 processing power while having a much lighter and smaller rig.
@@ctcm Very cool. Let us know how you get on!
Ratu Gordon, an absolute legend here in New Zealand!
Great vid, thanks mate!
No problem 👍
Very good Mark.
Thanks Mel
Thanks a lot!!
I thought I made a mistake buying apple silicon because logic crashed all the time ,
BUT ALL I NEEDED TO DO IS CLICK "open with rosetta" and now its working perfectly!!
Glad you got there!
Thank you Mark!
My pleasure Ben!
Hi Mark. I have really enjoyed this and your other videos. I have ordered a M1 Pro machine and am trying to get my head around what will be compatible. This is my first foray into Macs as I have been a life-long PC user but I have just had enough of the poor real time performance I’m getting from PC. My main DAW to date has been Cubase Pro of which I have the latest version but I am very relaxed about using other DAWs so to be sure that the new machine will work straight out of the box I have bundled Logic Pro. I do have a few external plugins but only a few are critical and of these only one hasn’t been updated for Big Sur and Apple Silicon.
Of course the base OS for the new machine will be Monterey so I am trying to second guess what will still be working when I get the machine and install everything.
I am intrigued by this video of yours and am wondering when you installed your 3rd party plugins what you selected as versions with the intention of running in Rosetta? Were they Catalina compatible versions for Intel processors?
great vid
Thanks Sarah!
Thank you, a very helpful video
You're welcome!
Thanks! Huge help.
You're welcome!
Lots of useful info and insights here. I wasn’t aware that it was possible to run Logic under Rosetta as well. Makes sense for anyone buying an M1 for music production as most 3rd party plugins haven’t been ported yet. Impressed by the performance at 96K as well. It’d be super helpful if you’d make a video showing the Logic benchmark session running natively and then under Rosetta, so we can actually see the performance hit. We should expect something around 25% less tracks, I reckon, but still it would be great to know for sure.
Thanks so much for your work. There’s so little info out there regarding M1 and music production as of now. You’re doing a big favor to our industry. :)
Hi Mike. The truth is that I cannot show you the benchmarks running Logic in native as the whole thing is hugely unreliable interfacing with this many Intel code plugins. The stability only came when I ran Logic under Rosetta. If you run Logic Native with the intel plugs, its a freak show....
@@MarkPayneAudio yes, I’m aware. What I meant by Logic benchmark is the actual benchmark test, full of Space Designers and native VIs. No worries!
@@MikeVlcek Ah! Ok Mike, you send me a session file and I will test it! Deal?
@@MarkPayneAudio deal, will get you the link :)
@@MarkPayneAudio music-prod.com/logic-pro-x-benchmarks/
Kali monitors are something you should try those dipswitches are amazing slamming it up against a wall and no treatment
Thanks for the tip Shane. These look right up my street!
Done the right click on app and tick start in Rosetta less CPU used if you have a few non supported plugin. Quite surprising great tip thanks
Hi Shane, Yes there was a lot of presumption all over the internet as to how people _thought_ this would under Rosetta.
I've seen quite a few if your videos now, and I teally like your way of explaining and teaching. Do you provide music production mix and mastering courses?
Thanks! I will do a live sound series at some point! Currently enjoying retirement!
Thank you! Want to buy Mac mini with M1- but have been hesitant. Been on intel mac so long. Hoping that my virtual instruments do as well as your waves plugins with compatibility.
I hope so too!
Thanks Mark.
Very welcome
I remember good when computer freaks has been telling me about harware configurations of a computer to make it useful as a music computer, those huge tower PCs with pentium cpu and SCSI harddisk etc.
And today just a few years later we see the smallest computer is music studio and film studio in one !
WOW !
Hey Mark thanks for all this. I'm late to the game having just ordered an M1 Mac Mini 16gb 1tb for my DAW. I was looking for the spec on your MacBook Pro. Is it the 16gb version? I assume it must be. The most impressive thing to me was running 48 tracks at 96khz with all those plug-ins. Wow.
Excellent video. Just bought a 13 inch M1 to replace my 15 inch Intel. This gives me reassurance that things will be business as usual.
Just be aware that hardware interfaces to sound cards etc are at risk of not working.
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks for the advice! Luckily, I haven't had any issues yet.
Keep up the good work 👌
Thanks, will do!
If you would change in the preferences from automatic to 8 processing threads this would allow you double the thread amount and you could move your sessions to 96k with even more ease .Also changing the process buffer range to large will allow you to replay large 4k video files with less cpu usage and no latency issues. Hope this helps Great Video by the way and thanks for the information.
Hi... I am going to cover this in the next video. By default yes, LPX is using the 4 high performance cores only. We can change that and a few other settings as well and I will show the results.
Just received a Mac Mini M1, and am devouring your videos (So grateful for your extremely well-informed takes).
Now a year later (and perhaps too late for a response), given the still native-less-ness of many plugins, would your recommendation to run in R2 stil stand?
Thanks 😊
Probably not now. I think we should try for native as default.
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks very much for the reply.
I wonder if your answer is due to there having been an update in the interim period, whether you've done subsequent testing.
As I'm into the thick of installation, I've realised that most of my plugins are yet to receive native updates (Perhaps 75% non-native).
I guess I'll have to try some very unscientific tests when it's all ready-to-go.
love the tannoys!!!!
Cheap and cheerful and I trust them. Save money on studio monitors... spend it on acoustic treatment.... :-)
@@MarkPayneAudio I have treatment for sure and placement is just as important and stands I currently use 2 sets jbl 305 with matching sub and adams tv7 so I paid like 300 for the tv7's and 200 for lsr305 used and bought my sub for 300 so all in all i paid 800 for two sets with a sub
Hi Mark, great video as always.
I was looking for the best way of using external SSDs to help performance with my old Mac laptop but also the max mini m1. What is your set up and what are the fundamentals that are good to adhere to? Cheers
I use the Samsung T7 external SSD. They are so fast, they become invisible in terms of performance bottle necks. However I do use them on USB3.2 which is a 10Gbps bus. If your old MacBook is inly supporting USB2 then you are down at 0.5Gbps (480Mbps) and this would be slower than the SSD itself. Thats would be a shame..... If you have USB 3.0 then you are at least at around 5Gbps which is still acceptable. However, when we consider that a 48K session in logic running say 48 tracks only needs approx 60Mbps total, even USB 2 is ok.
great video Mark! i have a question thou. were you testing this on the 8gb unified memory or 16 gb?? that was quite a lot of plugins but no audio drops although cpu was pushed
I have both systems (Air 8GB and Pro 16GB) and I get the same performance from both. Have you watched my Air vs Pro video?
Great info mark - running Logic in Rosetta is game changer - thanks for this. "Beautiful" is highly overrated btw ;-)
We are all beautiful in our own way!
Great video ! It is a pity Softube Has not updated to big sur yet. it 's been 3 weeks already.
Fingers crossed! This is frustrating me greatly. Agreed.
Enjoyed your post. Thanks. Does it mean I do not need to purchase Waves server when running their plugins, and still have no latency issues?
Thanks
great vid👍 thank you.
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video :) What about audio latency (RTP) when using Logic 10.6 in Rosetta mode?
My guess is that it won't make much difference. The leading factor of this is always going to be buffer size and sample rate.
Fantastic video. Minor question, really sorry if I missed it. But you didn’t say whether this is an 8 Gb or 16 Gb machine.
Mine is a 16GB system but in a later video I do a lot of comparisons between an 8GB Air and this 16GB Pro system running the same real Logic benchmark. Check that out. Mark
Please keep the videos coming for m1, i have ordered a mac mini 16 gb, will share if i fund anything useful
Thanks Navjot!
About to order mine too. Would be good to keep in touch if you find any quirks
Hi Mark. What is the spec of your new MacBook Pro 13”? I’m in the market for a new MacBook for Logic so finding your videos really useful.Thanks mate, keep up the good work!
I went 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD. Only two things you can customise.
That was pretty exhaustive. session explaining things Mark, thanks a lot , was wondering if the same goes for Cubase 10 Pro also if by any chance you have a clue
Sorry, I do not use Cubase.
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks anyways
Hey Mark. Just found your channel. Good stuff! So I was thinking about splurging for a full on 2019 Mac Pro 8 Core Xeon, however, I've been using the M1 mini with 16GB and so far so good. Since you are well versed in Logic, and now with the M1, do you think it's really worth going for a Pro with Xeon. I'm thinking maybe wait and see what's coming out this fall. I'm a solo artist doing solo projects at home.
We are very close to the new 14 and 16 inch M1X systems. November I think... wait!....
Great video! Subbed!!
Thanks for the sub!
Hi Mark this is a great video, and at least encouraging! I have a new M1 with Logic Pro X and I have waves 9, and although they install and the plugin manager says they are successful, each plugin appears as only on/off, with a blank window below it otherwise. I have tried toggling the "open in Rosetta' as you mentioned but see no changes. Are my plugins just out of date? I see you mention V11 is what is working. Any help is appreciated! And thank you for this!
So yes, V11 for me. But this is still unsupported as is V12. We are still waiting on Waves for an update for M1. The common problem people have with V11 and V12 is that the plugins verify but do not appear in the plugin list when you come to add them. V11 is less prone to this issue but some people still have it.
Hi Mark Payne. I have the MacPro thinking of upgrading to M1 Mac mini, Not sure how I would be able to run Logic with Fabfilter,Waves etc and a few Vst Synths e.g Synthmaster & Omnisphere.
Should I wait till Apple release newer version with more ram upgrades? And when Rosetta won't be needed to run everything. Not sure what Rosetta is can you explain further please. Greatly appreciated
I would recommend that you watch the whole playlist that I have on the M1 system here: ua-cam.com/play/PL_NaeOyKxj28b_iVaiXfsyPaKwVeht-mG.html
Great video! It would be interesting to see what performance is like running Waves MultiRack/SuperRack Native. While not exactly a replacement for the soundgrid servers (especially in the reliability department), I have a suspicion that the M1 chips running native will start to give the servers a run for their money in terms of performance.
Hi Sean. I do agree with you. I did a lot of testing with MR Native for Waves. I have some videos on that on my channel. The new chip will kill for that already as Rosetta is working great but as of yet, none of the hardware is going to work!
Honestly, I moved away from using Waves live. On the new Midas HD96 console I use, I have TC electronic reverbs and great on channel EQ and dynamics already. Also added are nice SSL type bus comps. I found the hassle of yet another waves update or firmware change just too risky. Also my server ran out of poke and I just... gave in with it. I do however love all this stuff for my in the box studio environment.
@@MarkPayneAudio Honestly I don't blame you! The HD96 has a lot going for it, and I agree that running Waves live can be a hassle sometimes (I only use it if I find my X32's fx rack a bit lacking for the task at hand and I always setup a panic button that fires off a re-routing snapshot should it crash). I would love to get my hands on a HD96 sometime and give it a whirl, but alas that will have to wait (what with everything going on). Thanks for the reply and have a great day!
Hey Mark, Just discovered your channel and am loving it. I’ve got a Mac Mini M1 16gb/256SSD arriving soon and I’m going to build it out with logic and plugins from Waves, NI, Izotope, which I’ve found some guidance around, yours being the best. But I’m a big Modo Bass and Modo Drum user and I can’t find anything on those working on an M1, assuming in Rosetta. Actually can’t find much info on any IK Multimedia plugins and M1 other than their website. Do you have any experience or thoughts on this? Thanks from Arizona.
I am so sorry but I do not run the IK or Modo stuff.
@@MarkPayneAudio no worries. How about soundtoys?
Hi mark. Would you recommend going for the new m1 chip for music production with a lot of dependency on third party plugins? Do you think all the third party plugins will work if we run logic in intel mode? Thank you in advance your help would mean a lot my old macbook has crashed and I have no choice and get new one. Should I go with the Intel one or m1? Thanks
This is risky as it really depends on the plugins used. My new Mac M1 is a development machine. I have a stable (intel) iMac Pro on Mojave and a 2019 second hand MacBook Pro 13 coming for track capture. So I have the bases covered. The intel route may be safer for you. or get an M1 and a second hand intel as well?
Hi Mark, thanks for your excellent and informative videos and your insights on running Logic in Rosetta for stability until 3rd party plugins run natively. My M1 MBP arrives mid-Dec so this is really helpful. If you get chance, please could you kindly check, does the M1 MBP have x2 Thunderbolt controllers ie one for each port (rather than x1 controller split between the two) and are both ports full 40Gb/s bandwidth each? I hope to connect multiple external SSDs for sample libraries, a Thunderbolt audio interface & midi keyboard via dongles/dock so hope there’s adequate bandwidth allowing external SSDs to perform optimally. Many thanks 🙏🏽
I think from this ....
egpu.io/forums/desktop-computing/teardown-late-2020-mac-mini-apple-silicon-m1-thunderbolt-4-usb4-pcie-4/
We can assume that they are separate, What do you think KL?
@@MarkPayneAudio Hi Mark, thanks for reply and link. Hopefully M1 MBP and Mini are same in this regard. Was nice seeing you mentioned on another UA-cam channel regarding your running Logic in Rosetta tip! ua-cam.com/video/JkH77jQvm7A/v-deo.html
Another tip: apparently if you set the cores to “8” rather than leaving on “Auto” within Logic, it boosts performance further still. BW
Wow...thanks a lot for this video.. So just a concluding question, would you recommend launching Logic Pro X with Rosetta itself and using all plugins through it or running Logic natively and using the plugins through Rosetta? I mean, which one gives us better performance? Thank you again :)
100% run Logic under Rosetta. The communication with Rosetta translated plugins is better that way. More reliable.
@@MarkPayneAudio Gotcha! Thanks a lot Mark.. looking forward to trying it out with my new Macbook Pro. Totally excited... :D
Hi Mark. Im also using a Console 1 in Midi mode (without the C1 software running) to control my 3rd party plugins. Do you know if the Console 1 knobs will work as like this as a basic midi controller? Were you just unable to get it working to control the C1 plugin specifically?
I have not tested that Josh. If I get a chance I will have a look but for now I have to move on to some other work! I have Qlab to test on the M1 next.
Hi mark when I got my M1 my drum kits won’t play when I try to drop it into sample box. Do I need Rosetta? Do I need to upgrade logic?
Hey thank you for your video, really helpful. Are you using the 16gb one or the 8gb?
I have a 8GB vs 16GB video that will help you. Also in the Air vs Pro Video is absolutely compare an 8GB Air to a 16GB Pro for running Logic. I would suggest you watch those. Big love. M
He is using a 16gb MBP in this video!
Wow!
After all these months, what's your verdict? I've messed with the 8 gb model, just ordered the 16gb unit with a TB SSD.
Thanks for this demo; super helpful! Off-topic, but what's the angled keyboard stand you're using in the concert?
Let me find out for you. That is a question to Mr Tony Turrell.....
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks!
@@pianoplayeh The stand was a Proel amp stand for guitar amps!
Great 👍🏻
thank you thank you thank you
You are very welcome
Really interesting.
Can awe have a video with an orchestral template and various instrumental samples??
Great video.
I have some orchestral multitracks from live shows. They are not samples however, real players! What is it you are wanting g to see in particular? Could be something for a future session
@@MarkPayneAudio Great Video! Maybe running some heavy sample libraries on real time.
So in other words the m1 macs do actually work. How difficult is it running the rosetta or is it a process that just goes on under the hood? If I have 2000$ and I'm buying today should I grab a intel mac or should I get a souped up m1?
@Jace yeah I think I'm going to get a intel machine and be safe lol
What version of Waves plugins ore you running? BTW,,, Great Video.
V11 here
hi mark great informative videos, im
looking to switch over from hardware to software based keys using the m1 mac to run it all.I want to use keyscape and native instruments komplete 12 live using the m1 as a sound module all in mainstage . do you think this will be possible with just a m1 air? 8 gig or 16 or should i go m1 pro? im only in a covers band and wont use it for much more than that (unlikely to use audio ect) cheers ian
The Pro just won't make any difference for this. Get the 16GB Air.
@@MarkPayneAudio i have ordered the air……..
thanks man 😀
Thank you
Welcome!
hey youtube, recommend this to more people
Amen :-)
Mark , another UA-camr (John Sine) found out that you can dramatically improve the performance of Logic running under Rosetta 2 by changing the allocation of the threads under Logic's Audio Preferences from "Auto" to "8" - in other words, by allocating the threads manually. Cheers
I am really interested in this comment because I tried that and I found it made no difference. I concluded that the Rosetta 2 emulated plugs only ran on the high performance cores anyway (only 4). But I may be wrong and I have to check again now!
@@MarkPayneAudio Mark, here's the link to the video in question: ua-cam.com/video/w-KOVdlVYUU/v-deo.html. He talks about it at around the 25s mark and he tries it with instances of a third-party plugin (I don't remember if it's U-He's Diva or Serum), whereby he gets WAY more instances of that plugin working before the system buckles down after having switched to the manual setting of 8 threads as opposed to Auto.
Great video!! Thank you Mark. Do you think M1 + Logic + Waves running in Rosetta during a live performance is stable or should I hold off and keep my intel setup for now?
Yes... I take it you are using Logic to host fx off board from your console. Question: How are you doing the IO to the computer?
@@MarkPayneAudio Thanks!! That's correct, we are hosting FX off board from our console (a Behringer X32) and I/O will be over USB for now. Hopefully Dante once the budget allows :) We are doing a medium amount processing on a few channels (Waves Tune Real-Time, H Verb, Dynamic EQ) through a 2015 Macbook 15"
And just to clarify "Yes" means hold off on M1 for now for a live performance, correct?
"Yes" as in I find Logic over Rosetta with Waves plugins very reliable on M1. No less reliable than before. My main concern for you would the the driver support of the X32's USB interface. I am not saying that will not work. I have just not proved it out yet.
@@MarkPayneAudio I have heard the X32 work with the M1. Thank you again. Awesome channel, keep up the great work!
I saw many comments and complainings about the apparent "lack" of upgradability the new M1 standard puts on the Apple customers. But, again, I think Apple is the path to change the industry. If you take a closer look with attention you will see that the entire new M1 "block" resembles much like PCIe standard. So everything is mounted inside the same board and it is "connected" to the main board on some sort of socket. I am suggesting is that if Apple wants, it can go through a way where you change the entire M1 board by a new one with not only more RAM, but also more disk space, a better processor, number of cores, etc. Thats almost an entire new computer instead of simply putting more RAM, more disk, another GPU, etc. It could change the way we think about the upgrades on a computer. Instead of changing parts you change the entire SOC and "voilá": you have a brand new computer on the same hardware.
Yes they get to own all of the components. The others must catch up surely? Will we see complete SOC systems from Intel? Meanwhile... Apple will be far ahead into the distance by this point?
Native Instruments user and Recent Logic Pro X adopter here. Thank you for your videos, Mark. I’m waiting on my “13 MacBook Pro M1 16GB RAM to arrive, and these walkthroughs are helping understand how to get rolling straight out of the box! Rosetta is far more impressive than I expected, and so I’m very excited to get projects started on my new machine.
How do you predict this computer will age? Do you think it’s true that we could see even greater performance when we see a large increase in native apps / plug ins?
I think we may see a 20% increase in performance once we get out of translation. I would love to keep up with your NI experience as you fight that as this os not something I use. Please do update us here with your findings.
@@MarkPayneAudio will do 👍 I’ll remember to drop an update here after I get NI working.
@@MarkPayneAudio Well I've been using my M1 Macbook Pro for about 3 days now, and I have installed NI Komplete Kontrol, Maschine, Kontakt, Massive, and several VST/AU instruments from output. I am still waiting on my external SSD to arrive, which I feel will allow me to finish installations / have all my former creative tools at my fingertips - on the new M1 silicone.
While I am new to Logic Pro, I can say that it's felt a bit buggy after loading some NI apps and VSTs. Something would stop working, like the Maschine hardware would stop responding for example, and it can be fixed with a system reboot. Not the end of the world... but I never encountered these type of nuisances when using NI stand alone.
@@darkeldar20 Thanks for the update. So you have your NI stuff working basically? Is it supposed to work?
@@MarkPayneAudio by and large, Yes! We are fully operational. when I ordered this laptop a few weeks ago, I was not expecting it to be like this. I thought I would have to wait more. But Rosetta does it all. I just now switched Logic to use Rosetta too. Like you showed in the video. I’m hoping that will help things run smoothly😅
wow, so you ran the whole session/stream off the m1 mac? how is the system operating for you now im considering a new computer strictly for DAW environment, do you still recommend the m1 mac?
Yes I think it is a great machine... you need to be sure your chosen plugins are supported on BigSur and M1 unless you are prepared to roll with it as I am showing you here. Also check this out as it will help more also
ua-cam.com/video/Iy2Olv1clEE/v-deo.html
Quick Question... What was your RAM usage like during all this? Do you have the 8GB or 16GB Varient? Cheers
I have the 16GB. I could not see the point of not maxing that out. I will check the memory use when I am next in the studio for you.
@@MarkPayneAudio Hi Mark, yeah that’ll be good to know and if there’s any swap file usage?
@@MarkPayneAudio Excellent. Cheers
What is the best hub to use with the M1? I have loads of USB to plug in. Also can it run 2 x external monitors extended?
I cover the hub I use in the third section of this videoua-cam.com/video/Iy2Olv1clEE/v-deo.html
Hi Mark, I watched your video before I bought my Mac Mini M1 running Big Sur. None of my Waves plugins show up even when running under Rosetta. They show up in the plugin manager and have all been successfully validated. Any ideas what I could do? Thanks for the videos :)
On my MacBook Pro, I had no issues with this. However when I came to prepare the M1 Air system with Logic for one of the comparison videos I had this problem in my face just as you describe. In this situation only 1/3 of the plugins within the Mercury bundle showed up (and that was all the shit I don't use. What made a difference for me was installing onto my wife's account which as the first install account on the system rather than the secondary account I created for myself (yes this had admin rights). Also I will say that I have ALWAYS been running waves V11. Way back in these comments you will find a guy who backdated his V12 by using an offline installer downloaded from waves for V11 and that worked for him. Have you tried this? Have you raised waves support calls? We must realise that we are on a non-supported platform but I think it is important to get calls into Waves so they can look at it. They have to make this work for the future unless they want us all to go elsewhere for plugins....
Great Vid. So basically I have to upgrade my tracking studio currently on El Capitan, so all my plugins will work on an M1 chip mac mini if I run Logic pro in Rosetta.
Yes... but ... there are two levels to this. First does your plugin provider support Big Sur? You need this first (or you take a risk, Risk1). Second, do they support M1? ... They may not have recoded but do they support M1 systems? Again you can take a risk (Risk2). I took Risk1 and Risk2 and all my stuff works. However, I worry about your tracking hardware. Check the support on your hardware interfaces. Thats the big one for me (Risk3)