Marathon Training: the 2 hour Principle
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2019
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🔹 Training this week:
Monday September 30:
⁃ 24 miles Long Run Steady
⁃ Gym: lift, plyos, stretch, foam, pool
Tuesday October 1:
- 10 miles am steasy
- 6 miles easy
Wednesday October 2:
⁃ 9 mile threshold run
- 8 mile steasy
Thursday October 3:
- 15 miles Grays & Torreys
- 6 miles easy
Friday October 4:
- 8 miles easy
⁃ Gym: stretch, foam, pool, plyometrics, lift + strides
Saturday October 5:
- 3 mile shakeout + strides
Sunday October 6:
- 12K US Mt Championships
- Warm up, Cool Down
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Marathon training is rapidly coming to a close for me, but not before a quick reflection on why I run past two hours so often in my training. Training for a marathon is no joke, especially in the modern world when our lives are busy. But if you want to run faster, especially for a marathon race, I'm a firm believer in emphasizing aerobic development over anaerobic efforts.
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Running 2 hours a day religiously was how I lost 160 lbs, going from 333 lbs to 172 lbs
Woooow congratulations 😳😃❤
every day?! beast mode!
I don’t believe that. The prospect of a 333 lb man running for two hours even once is ridiculous
@@ShittyGolfer then u still dont know about the power of mind.
Congratulations! Good job
One year ago I started a couch to 5k program and the thought of running for 2 MINUTES straight seemed impossible! Lol
A year later I can run for an hour straight! Massive improvement! But that 2 hour goal is not too far away!
Thanks for the content!
I’m so encouraged to see this
I’m about two months into couch to 5 k and I’ve repeated a few weeks and I can kind of run now for a few miles but it still feels like death. 2 hours seems so far away
Update us please Sarah..❤❤❤
Really appreciate you giving metric distances and paces
METRIC RULES!
@@jonny1943 bnb
Metrik rules amerika suks
me too! thank you thank you thank you seth
You Tube is my primary source of research
There was a time in recent years where use of UA-cam to research things was a foreign concept. Now? Pretty normal!
I’ve done my first two 2-hour runs during the past two Sundays. Will keep it up. Thanks for the knowledge, Seth.
2 hours and 19 minutes? You’re a Beast Man! Dang! Takes me 2 hours to run half marathon!
great video, i really like the idea of 2hour+ training runs. I feel as that is a great way for me to also condition and run that steady pace to help prep for marathon race day!
Its good to see that you are preparing your meal and you still have your trainer on
amazing video, love how you are so into peak performance and go into the physiology and anatomy to push yourself to new limits. Keep it up Seth!!! May God bless you and your family!
My resources mostly come from various youtube running channels. There is so much information to digest.
I love listening when you talk about run and how you understand every single things going on inside the body. Your knowledge it is priceless. Thanks.
Hey SJD. I’m new to running and your channel is super helpful and positive. Love seeing all the incredible places you run at as well as the tips you’ve culminated over the years of running. Keep it up!
I totally agree when I did 2 long runs a week I ran my best time and you can take so much from elite too very good club runners
Been watching the channel only fairly recently so had no idea about the dream for Olympic trials. Best of luck great content!
I first watched this video back in April. Now I'm watching it again as I start to incorporate these runs into my weekly training for my second FM. Great advice, Seth!
Thank you for your insights and enthusiasm! This training period I have been using a combination of my Garmin HR training(full spectrum) and jack Daniels 2Q program. Averaging about 40+ miles a week. I also try to implement yours, Sage, and Strength running into my overall plan.
QD: I like to use multiple sources, but youtube has been most helpful in making hard to understand training methods easier to comprehend.
In both of my marathons I cramped up around mile 23, and now that I look back, I hardly ran over 2 hours. Only about 3 times when the weekend long run got long enough. I'm following a 50k training session (for a marathon) and i'm now running 2+ hours twice a week for 4 of the 12 weeks, and i can feel my legs getting stronger. Thanks for the confidence that I made a good choice, love your videos!
UA-cam mostly. I had my first summer season when i really got hooked on running, its a blessing, two weeks ago i did my first half marathon, solo in a snowstorm at night, it was a rite of passage, om gonna try to run all winter but i cant wait for next summer its gonna be such a blast.
Thank you!
Seth, I like so much to find your videos they are very Much helpful, I’m 51 old men viejo and running about 70/w, appreciate your knowledge about it.
I will prying for you to conquer your gol in Atlanta OPQ.
keeping an eye in minerals, the nerves system is your energy generator
All the best
AD/ I follow the book train plans of the 2e of Advance Marathoning
Seth : 27km "Easy" Run at 4:30 per km.
Me: Dead at 1km Repeat at 4:30 per km
Train harder. 4:30 per km is not that fast, even dedicated recreational runners can run 10-15 km at this pace without really pushing themselves.
I THINK THEREFORE I TALK boi
@@danielw.4876 Why? expressing your ides with stupid three-letter words is the best you can do?
Josh! You can do it!
@@zetadroid thanks! Keep working at it :)
you are freakin awesome Seth.....keep up the great work, you inspire many people
Learned everything on UA-cam with your channel and others as well as Runner's World for specific questions. Then learned by myself, how my body reacts to different approaches.
I have the same life long goal too! Thanks for the advice and good luck!!
I did steady state run training during an Ironman training block a number of years back. I had my best stand alone marathon time as well as a 5k PR because of that. I unfortunately got away from that type of running and haven’t been able to have the same success. So looking forward to getting back to that. Thanks for the video Seth!
I’ve been following the 80/20 running book training plans. Currently doing a 5K training block.
This is your best video! I watch this all the time.
My personal running diary I have kept last 5 years. I can look back and see what’s worked and not worked for me.
I agree with your method of “listening to your body and running be feel”. 42 marathons including 50k to 100 milers in last 5 years has put me in touch with what my body requires for a decent effort during a race.
Support from the Netherands here. I've ran the Amsterdam marathon twice. 4:30 is amazing! Go for it and you can do this!
Q&A: mostly your tips and they’ve worked so awesome
Great vlog. Thanks for sharing the topic on endurance. Keep your efforts up.
Im glad i found this video , very helpful. Thanks
Lot of good information. Thanks mate.
QOD: i train by myself, for road runs i use the garmin connect plans, it really helps, for mountain runs i try to mimic the altimetry and to improve form, strengh and things like these i use youtube (yours, Sage.....)
What was the question?
Awsome vid. My most helpful resource is probably just talking to people i know who are into running and then from there watching videos like this
This is quite educative video. Thanks for enlightening us.🙏🏻
QOD: Your channel and others helping a lot! (Sage, Ben Parkes, kofuzi) When I started I followed a 12 weeks 5K plan on my garmin app and gave me a good baseline what is easy run, steady state run, recovery run, intervals etc.
Sandor Bako great channels. Also Harry Runs is fantastic
QD: you & other you tubers like Sage Cannady, Harry Run, Michael Kofuzi, The running Guru, The Running Experience Channel, Ben Parkes, Vegan Bro Science, The Runner (vegan runner) are who I take the good & the bad from & put my own running plan together, excellent video Seth, good luck in Amsterdam 👍🏻
QD: 80/20 Running by Matt Fitzgerald, and picking up additional tips and tricks from UA-camrs like yourself and Sage (currently on his base building plan)
Interesting SJD, I've never heard of this study from Köln (Cologne). Thanks for sharing, I'll dig deeper on the study. I also trust the science and always happy to learn.
QD: like others Arthur Lydiard, Daniels Sage, you, The Running Otaku, and Garmin. Last but not least, my wife/coach
Love your videos!
I used various online sources early on in my running, but hit a breakthrough when I read and adopted the principles of Mike Gratton’s hard marathon plan & accompanying article & forums on the Runners World website. This led to a significant increase in my training volume. My approach has stayed broadly similar since then, although In recent years I haven’t been able to devote as much time to training. Hoping to be able to do more in 2020.
The main addition for me in the last couple of years is much more of an interest in strength & mobility exercises.
Thank you sir!
Wise words Now I need to figure out how to work these in during the week.
What a coincidence. I did the same Amsterdam marathon you did on October 20th 2019. It's the one and only official one I've done abroad
Your the man!
Great advice and information 🏃♂️👍
Idk who you are or what you’re about or if you’re even a good person but your mannerisms are just delightful
Good luck with your upcoming Marathon.
My go to running source would be on UA-cam. The running tips, soothing music, and stories of historical sites are the best. And putting those videos out there for other runners to enjoy. Now that I’ve come across your channel I think I want to spread my wings a bit and learn about my own body’s running abilities. By the way I very much enjoyed your video so far I’m going to watch more of your channel.
Hi there, I would like to thank you for your videos and I love the way you explain what you do and why you do it. I am personally an OCR fan but I do races for 25k +. I would like to train 2 hours + but at times my knees give. I have learned that there are different types of running with your foot and I have recently changed my running style to land on the ball of my feet. I see the way you run you lean slightly forward, has that got something to do in protecting your knees or is there any other reasons for it. Any help would be much appreciated.
QD: I've used a couple of Hal Higdon plans for half marathons with a few tweaks to have more of a taper. Going into my first Marathon next April I've chosen a Runners World plan as there were lots of detailed plans for different time goals. I think seeing the distance and time goals for each session will help me to keep my pace in check.
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I have done all the research, bottom line, Know yourself, listen to your body.! You can and should go forward and conquer!
Great Channel. Totally agree on your aerobic training philosophy for marathon - BUT - you are getting very close to your goal race. I find that endurance and aerobic capacity take a long time to build, but are not lost in a short space of time. Within 2.5 weeks of a race I would be sharpening speed and trying to avoid muscle damage associated with 2hr+ efforts. Re resources, previous training/racing is my primary guide together with any updated scientific studies (+ UA-cam of course). Good luck for the taper and have a great race!
New subscriber 😀 been watching Sage Canaday, Konfuzi and Ben Parkes already
Happy to be using Seth’s training methods. Come back Seth!
qd: personal experience I guess. Build up weekly miles with a couple of 15 mile runs, then incorporate vert and hills until legs feel strong, then speedwork (intervals for 5K/10K, temporuns for half marathon). Running is too much fun for me to put it in a too strict plan.
My coach priorities threshold intervals, like 10x1000m etc. 3 times per week. The rest is jogg and sunday long run
This is awesome. Thank you. I will add two 2-hour runs to my weekly schedule. Does this include the weekly long run? You mentioned Sun and Thu. My Sunday is currently LSD. Secondly, I'm not clear on the pace for this steady state run. How does it compare to marathon pace? E.g. I'm just ran 4:08 in Philadelphia and hoping for a 4:00 marathon in May, or about 5:40/km pace.
I get my training plans from a combination of past, paid coaching, and self coached races, along with current thoughts by you tubers, such as this channel, Sage Canedy, and a few others. I’m currently exploring this marathon block using the Hansen method. Running is definitely an artistic science.
God damn dude. Great job.
Onya Seth. Will add 2 two hour plus per week in training for my fifth marathon in 2022. I love the satisfaction of finishing those long runs! Better than the one a week model and it makes a lot of sense. It’s all about adaptation right?😁
Cool i'll be doing the half marathon in Amsterdam. Good luck!
QD : i am just an average ultra runner. I started to follow a fixed schedule training plan since beginning of 2019. I believe in schedule training plans rather than training blocks. My weekly schedule involves 2 days of rest. The rest of the days are dedicated to 1 day - tempo run , 2 days - Lsd (15km to 20km), 1 day hill repeat and 1 day 10km run. I will incorporate 2 days of gym training focussing on core and ankle strengthening exercises.
I learned from Sage canaday watching his advice and I'm still learning, but I don't follow a program I just try to push my self to get better, and I just found you a few weeks ago and I like you so I'll be watching and learning as well from you my Man. Thank you!
Ive never meet an exercise physiologist who is an olympic gold medal coach
I am a beginner runner. I watch a lot of youtube videos like yours. I'am 58, I actually started with research on intermittent fasting and healthy food. Then I started to run 6 months ago. You are so passionnate when you take about running program, you really inspire me. In the past I always believed that I can't run. Thanks to people like you for the sharing of information and experience, now my goal is next season half-marathon in Paris. 😉
great job, inspiring to hear:)
this guy explains most for what's out there.
Thanks for your insight Seth. I have been following your vlogs and I am able to pick up some points. "How to run faster?" is one of your vlog that I followed your program. Thank you once again. I will be running this coming October at Scotia Bank Marathon (42K). I know I have no more time to bring myself ready to get to the point I could run 26 miles without a problem. As my credentials could say, I have been on training since January 2019. I hope that I will be one of the "Finishers" this coming 20th of October. Cheers, Rizalde
I know this is two years old but I have to know, why tf would you put quotes around his name? You think it’s a fake name and he’s in witness protection or something
@@willdallas53 I am sorry " Professor", I didn't realize that I am writing my dissertation on my graduate course. You completely missed the point.
I write my own training plans now after several years of leaning while training under various other programs- Tinman, Daniels, and Vance (power-based training).
Thank you Seth! Just love watching your VLOG everyday! It has been so helpful in my training, I also like Matt Fitzgerald 80/20 rule for training, also use some of Hal Higdon training. 2:19 in Amsterdam, go get it brother!!
This is a great and informative video! Can you please provide the sources you got your information from? I’m having difficulty finding it as I’m attempting to review the 2+ hour time under tension adaptation papers. This makes so much sense, but I want to investigate it further. Thanks!
I had to rewind when you said 2 hours and 19 minutes to make sure I heard you correctly
you have a good Hand Communication!
Good luck!
Really exiting.
Keep up with the training ☺
Ib Erik Söderblom Don’t exit too quickly 😂👍🏻
I'm kind of on the later end of this idea. Was a competitive road cyclist for close to 30 years, made it to 2 Olympic Trials. Rode 300+ miles a week for many of those years. Quit in 2014 at age 46. Now I am 51, running only for aerobic workouts and racing. Yesterday I hit my fastest 5k since high school, even though I never run over 8 miles. I think all those years of long rides gave me a strong aerobic base.
Mostly in UA-cam but I'm overwhelmed and confused about all information :-)
I was waiting for you to talk about the Hoka Carbon Xs like you said you would in the beginning...
Seth James, thanks for all the content you share. I think this the 3rd time that I am visiting this video and topic. With the 2 hour plus window, do you think that it would be beneficial for someone that can only run that many miles and time in sections? For example, run the first 1 hour straight, take a 5-10 minute break then run again for however long, take another 5-10 minute break...until you total 2 hours or run time? Do you think that would also just as much help?
QD: The running club I belong to (Dashing Whippets) has a marathon training plan with several coaches. The first time I followed their plan -for my first marathon in 2016- I BQ'd . It's tough - yesterday was 12 Canova K's. Tomorrow is 22 mile (3:00+) long run. Because it's in NYC, I get to do most of the workouts with many others at similar pace, so it's a great social as well as training experience. FYI, I'm training for the Dublin marathon on Oct 27.
I use your channel amongst others (Ben Parkes, Sage, Kofuzi, FOD Runner & Running With Marc to name but a few) to give my insight at a level above my current working ability. For physical support on 1:1 I use professionals locally and I listen to my body and adapt plans to create a workable approach to making progress
Hey Seth.. my long runs have turned into 4-6 hour runs and I am curious about your opinion on that. They are generally 20-35 miles on Colorado trails.. I just really enjoy my long runs but want to know if I am getting any benefit from these or if I am just wasting my time and body away. Thanks a lot!
The best for Amsterdam !
Fantastic video I have been watching you and taken on some of your views On board I have been wanting to do the 2 hrs run.... well Sunday gone I done 26k 2hrs 1 min , last nite went out for recovery run my legs feel great today do you think I should do a 2hr run tomorrow or Sunday . Thanks Darren
Science of ultra podcast is amazing to learn about this kind of stuff. For any runner not just ultra running
1000%! 🙌
Agree. Backed by science and the differing opinions on each subject is so interesting!
Gonna check that out now
We have a coach that train us but now he is in bad condition because his peacemaker almost shot down sad😢 .
I watched your blog in order to learn some resourceful techniques to add on my knowledge for free injuries every time I race whether trail or marathon.
I read: Pfitzinger, Daniels, Magness, Hudson, Noakes, adapt training plans and ideas from those books. Also a lot of internet research, for instance on Canova or Tinman. And then I try and experimentl, trying new things,etc...
PAULO MENDES huh?
Ι run 2 hours one day and cardio on the elliptical 2 hours the other day. I also do plyometrics after elliptical workout for 30 to 40 minutes 3 times per week
This training sounds like arthur lydiard where he used to say do 3 long runs a week to get best results for developing aerobic strength
Kurt's QOD - can you post some additional information around this study in Cologne? I would like to read it.
Seth's QOD - My research is based on a lot of things - books for the most part although I do pull online things and discussions with other coaches - Books - Running to the Top (Arthur Lydiard), Daniels Running Formula (Jack Daniels) , More Fire (Toby Tanser) , among others including a lot of Biography type things. Video work from UA-cam - You, Jay Johnson, Sage, Sandi, Kofuzi, Spencer Brown, Ben Barrows, Workouts on FloTrack and MileSplit and others as well. And lastly my own experience as a runner for close on 40 years at this point and as a coach on and off for 20 + years
I’m training for a 1:45 half marathon in Amsterdam this year.
best of luck, Paul!
Good luck, you got this!
Amsterdam was cancelled :(
Would you recommend doing more than 2 runs of this kind a week? I have been doing 2 runs of 1hr 40ish and then a long run on Sunday though want to throw in more easy runs in the evenings
The most important thing is to listen to your body and build up slowly. It takes a long time to build up this kind of volume. If you get there and it feels good then the added volume is definitely beneficial.
This is kind of a complex and nuanced question but I'll try to make it simple to answer...do you think a runner at sea level may need to do more of their runs closer to the 02 debt line to imitate what you are getting from running at 5k+ feet on long steady runs? How might you change your training if you were living at sea level? Thanks!
Hey Seth, I applied for a course in "Fitness" (aerobic and anaerobic training) at University of Sport (GIH) this spring. Gonna be awesome!
@@brianroyce5809 what
Best of luck!
Good luck man, hope you find it interesting!
How’d you go in the course?
Love from Mysore Karnataka India 👌.
QOD: I use the Running Wizard training plans based on the Lydiard 5 phase training scheme.
This Man is talking sense. 👋👋👋👋👋👋
Can you link to the study you mentioned that explores the value of 2+ hr training sessions?
Use to buy running books from Track and Field News books from Arthur Lydiard and Bill Bowerman The Oregon Way.
I am a big Hal Higdon fan and have some training plan apps for the phone. I used to follow them pretty religiously, but now that I've done enough races, I map out my own plan.