Orange Cab Shootout - PPC212 VS PPC212OB VS PPC212V
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- Опубліковано 20 лип 2024
- Orange cabinet shootout comparing the Orange PPC212, Orange PPC212OB and Orange PPC212V. Amps used were the Rockerverb 50Mk3 and AD30 heads.
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🎸Time-codes🎸:
0:00 - Specs+Mic Setup
0:05 - 1 Power Chords
1:01 - 2 Cleans
1:44 - 3 Brit Drive
2:16 - 4 High gain
3:01 - 5 Edge of Breakup
3:33 - More Videos
Signal Chain (see links below):
Gibson Les Paul Tribute T / Fender Tele 50s Mod / Harley Benton SC Junior / Gibson Melody Maker 2007
Orange Rockerverb Mkiii / Orange AD30
Orange PPC212 / PPCV212 / PPC212OB
Shure SM57 (close) + SE Ribbon Mics (Room)
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🎸Mic Setup🎸
Pause the video at the start to see the mic setup and specs. Each cab was mic’d with an SM57 where the dustup meets the cone (I used a torch to make sure they are all exactly in the same part of the speaker). An SE Ribbon mic was placed exactly 1 meter from the centre of each cab to get a better image of how the cab sounded in the room. I phase aligned these two mics in post and mixed them together. Let me know which cab you liked best 👍
Excellent work with the unmoving Orange label
Haha, I used that to line them up in post 👍
Bro aligning the logos is a classy touch respect
That Sidewinder riff got me so excited.
Toby is sooo far out with all those demos... No words... Deep respect... A perfectionist.
I love the sound of the PPC212OB.
Especially the clean arpeggio was so good it almost brought tears to my eyes.
I hope one day I can order the white one in OB in orange.
One of the best Review Videos out there! Thank you for the time you put into making this and for posting !🙏🏼
Great video and demo! I was shopping for an Orange cab and this helped immensely. Thanks Toby
The very best comparisons around!!!
I definitely preferred the bass response of the closed back. Sounded thicker. Although it would by interesting to hear them in a full band mix.
Fantastic job, mate! I have to say, this is a much better video than Orange's own cabinet demo :).
Once I chose the standard 212 over the 212V because of its iconic V30 speakers, but the Creambacks sound great, as well.
With overdrive and distortion I clearly like the PPC212V, and in clean I prefer the PPC212OB... very good review, thanks Toby, from Argentina!
Great video as always man, closed back sounds the best to me!
2 years later and still helpful. 2x12 horizontal closed back for me.
Got a PPC212 paired with a JVM410…. What a combination! 🤯
Great! Thank you
That a7x riff sounded amazing
Toby thanks for producing great examples of gear. Short samples flicked between makes it easier to hear the difference, lotta working just editing and keeping it all alined. My take the 2x12 vertical is raspy more for modern articulate players, the 2x12 horizontal fuller more low mids and bottom end and the 2x12 open back might be depended on what's behind the cab such as brick wall timber curtains, it might be the harder cab to dial in. Cheers mate.
OB for the win for sure
Love orange videos
Open back all the way. Has the most flexible sound to get that unique sound
What a video ! 👏👏
PPC 212 Kicks ass/ I need that back closed. Works incredible w/ The Mk III 50 Rockerverb. Nothing sounds like The Voice of The World...
woooo yeahhhh ORANGE
I've listened to this a few times over the last week or so trying to decide which cab to match with my AD30. I hear different things every time! And as I re-listen over and over each time, my ears fatigue and I change my mind 3 or 4 times in as many minutes. So confusing! Sound differences aside, the vertical works for me in my situation and for where I'm going to store it and use it so I might just have to jump on that and swap the speakers out if I decide I really don't like them in person. Very helpful vid, thanks!
Thanks, I think vertical with one of the speakers swapped to a V30 give you the best overall package 👍
I’ve discovered that listening to shootouts like this are pretty much pointless for me. I’ve watched speaker shootouts that compare about a dozen different speakers, and I will find that I will pick one that I like the sound of, but then after I listen to all the other speakers and come back to the one I liked, it doesn’t sound the same as I first thought it did. The only thing I really get from shootouts is that I can usually pick out ones that I definitely don’t like. But any of the remaining choices will all sound good if I listen to it long enough without listening to others.
Toby brings the science as always. Excellent work.
How are you liking your ad30 sir? I think it’s the best.
Cheers. The AD30 is amazing. It's the best amp I've played for cleans and edge 👍
Nice!
closed back for rock/metal, open back for chimey cleans... love my Orange PPC 212CB but it's definitely back breaker.
Not as heavy as Mesa's cabs. 😅🤣🤘🏾
Definitely the 212v for me
Killer production 🤘💥
I got the G.A.S. Jones for that 212v - (going to check out a used one for $450 tonight)
It’s a great cab, one of my favourites 👍
Hey, Toby. Great video. Do you have a favorite cab for an “in the room” sound?
I like the vertical cab paired with high gain Orange amps, it feels less directional than the closed back but more balance than the open back 👍
Hey Toby, excellent video! This is the best channel in UA-cam for amp/cab demos and comparisons for me. One question, if you only get to have one of these cabs to use live, for recording, and just for bedroom playing, which one would you pick if you pair it with an OR15 head?
Hey, cheers. The OR15 is a fat sounding amp. Both the Neo Creamback and V30 speakers sound very good with the OR15.
I like vertical cabinets for live as they don't just shoot all the sound at your feet+knees. For me the perfect Orange cab would be the vertical with one of the speakers replaced with a V30. So you'd have a vertical 2x12 with the mix of a V30 and a Neo Creamback. Both fantastic speakers but different which is really useful for live + recording. Having the option to mic a different speaker is really useful. It's a very easy change to make and you can sell the speaker you take out.
If you don't feel like swapping a speaker then I'd make a decision between 212 closed back and the 212V.. Depending on how they sound in this video 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos , thanks so much for taking the time to respond! I'll go with your advise and get the vertical, for the reasons you've stated. And probably swap one speaker out with a v30 in the future for versatility. Thank you again! Much appreciated 😁
I originally planned to get the vertical one (I like the look better), but after listening to this, I will definitely consider the standard PPC212 and just put feet on its side to use it vertically. That one is my favorite, in other shootout videos as well. The PPC212V almost sounds like it has a blanket over it.
Remember, the vertical has completely different speakers. It would be a good idea to get the vertical so you get that look but sell the speakers in then to get vintage 30’s so you get the sound of the ppc212
@@marcospintor1333 That Product guy from Orange stated in an interview about the vertical cab that the V30s didn’t quite work as well in the vertical cabinet, so after trying a few options they went with the Neo Creambacks. Interesting. Might want to check my perception of the tone when just flipping the horizontal cab vertically… well.
@@indisguiseFUCK probably too thin
no need to pick 1 just get all 3, i love my ppc212c but sometimes i wanna play through an alnico speaker or something obscure for a fresh sound, dont take anybody’s word for it, see for yourself, v30 is a great factory speaker that can play all types of music well but may not be the best at any 1 genre
Surprisingly enough, to my ears, the vertical sounds the biggest of the three! But How? It's an open back.
Thought I was the only person that liked playing Strength of the World lol
can you try out an peavey amp?
man I want a 212 to go along with my OR15 so badly, love the 112 but I've heard from multiple people this amp really opens up in the closed back 212 scenario!
I have that setup. Really sounds amazing.
@@stillpist I'm thinking of getting a rocker 32 now instead and another 112 then setting up the or15 with the 210's and 32 with two 112's on either side of the studio ahah. I love my or15 though!
Like with a aby pedal? That would be awesome. I have a 68 custom deluxe reverb that I want I want to do that with.
@@stillpist yeah exactly! So I can have the or15 running through the original cab, then the 32 running through both 112's then I can ABY to solo either or have both running together for the wet/dry/wet rig without needing an extra amp! And that'd be sweet, 68 DR's are so nice sounding!
Hi Toby, What is the exact model of the ribbon mic you used in this video? Also what stands did you use for both mics? Thanks :)
Hey, SE Electronics R1 Ribbon Mic. It sounds very similar to the X1R which is the newer version of it 👍. Stands are just bog standard cheap mic stands off Thomann
Closed back sounds best imo
Fantastic !!! what is the 1:46 song played with the brit drive?
It's my own riff that kind of rips off Brian Wamplers intro riff on all his videos. It's in E and does pull offs on the 2 to 0 on the A and D strings, and I think 3 to 0 on the low E 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos Ohhh Fantastic
how much of this could just be EQed to get one to sound like the other? I feel like the 212v sounds more scooped than the standard 212, but an EQ in your loop or even moving the mic placement could get you almost identical
You could probably get it close with some EQ and movement of mics. They aren’t a million miles away from each other the 212V and the 212CB 👍
HELP !!!!
would it make sense to stack an open back on top of a closed back ?
Owning already the CB and wanted to expand the volume
Yes that makes sense as the Open Back is smaller so would make sense on top, you'd have a little pyramid of Orange with a head on top 👍
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos haha Toby of course I would imagine that....my question was more about tone .....my personal liuther claims tone it's gonna be messy ....
Don’t see why it would be an issue. You’ll definitely get different tonal characteristics from each cab with the OB being less directional and brighter and the closed back being more directional and more bass. I think you get more coverage and a filler sound in the room rather than significantly more volume. Although you’re luthier might know more than me 🤔
I happen to have now 212 an 212v in stack and i dont think its worth it. I would swich to 412 if "more" is needed.
@@Vaari80 i bought fender concert (a kind of deluxe reverb but cheaper lighter and smaller) so now I run dry through Marshall head W/ orange 2x12 CB and wet into fender. Just epic!
Which one sounds better in the room?
Which one do you prefer?
I actually really like the vertical 2x12. I think the best of all worlds would be the vertical 2x12 with one of the speakers swapped to a V30 👍
Agreed! I just picked up a 212v. I already have a 212 and 112. The 212cb is probably getting sold and the 112 is stacked on the 212v now but I also think the 212v would sound great with 1 V30 and 1 Neo Creamback.
@@TobysGuitarGearDemos which speaker would you swap to a v30? top or bottom?
@@sigmasquad5285 I would say put whichever is your favourite speaker at the top as you will hear more of that one. Having the two different speakers will be killer for recording 👍
anyone sized a piece of wood for the opening of the 212V and turned it into a closed back?
I have done it. It tightens up but then loses bass. I cant really say which is better. I have both PPC212 and PPC212V. Vertical is more raspier but mids are darker. Hotizontal gives more of that big speaker "bloom". Purely sound in mind i would take horizontal for metal and harder rock, vertical for more classic stuff and cleans. Well i run them now both in stack. Unfortunately that configuration looks like male genitalia.
One thing to consider is how differently the sound spreads. Horizontal gives sideways narrow beam but it spreads upwads. In that sense its not so bad on the floor. Vertical then will have horizontal sound beam. Open back ofcourse spreads sound to room better.
You need to show the room mic
The V, of course...It s a shame it is 16Ohms....Damn
I prefer the PPC212's sound but prefer the PPC212V's form factor. None of them produce high end. For that, get another brand. Some people like closed backs; Orange prefers closed fronts.
What is the A7X song at 2:16?
Never mind, I remember.. Strength of the World
Better 212CB or 212OB ?
I like the closed back for overdrive and the open back for cleans 👍
Vertical cab probably sounds best in a mix - I think the OB would be too muddy with a bass added.
Vertical cab is also open back
I’m very glad I watched this. Apparently the 212V has zero balls. Must just be the creambacks though. The V30’s are sex
I'm listening with headphones and during the higher gain portions the vertical cab seems to have more low end balls than the closed back to me, surprisingly.
You have not considered using 2 PPC112's.... I have 2 Orange heads. This speaker set up allows the amp to push an 8 ohm load. Max headroom, and power. Smokes a 16 ohm 212.
How’s your experience with this?
I think Ppc212 better
2x12 V more Fat, rounded
Vertical for high gain.
Closed back for almost everything.
Open back… just no.
Edit: Ok… maybe the open back isn’t so bad.
Vertical is open back
@@olivier42100 yes but he is specifically referencing the 212OB not the 212V
This shows nicely how bad V30 speaker is - even great cab doesn't sound good with them. Eminence Wizard or Celestion Fullback could make a goosebumps with these cabs.
how did any of this sound bad? the V30 is a great speaker! Although I agree an Eminence is a great replacement!
@@DelScully Matter of taste - Toby's recording as always sounds great, but I just don't like the speaker, it's too "generic". V30 hype is because they are so popular, a safe "go to" speaker for so many years now so probably companies in a mass segment of gear don't want to risk and offer something better but less known. But if you compare in the same cab V30 to i.e. Celestion Fullback (one of their newer models if I am right, I own 12" and 15"), or Eminence Wizard, the difference is noticeable - 'more of everything', better lows and less harsh on extreme gains. They cost same or less (depends on the market) so upgrading a cab is not as painfull to the pocket, regarding V30 are easy to sell for a good price.