Reminds me of how a buddy explained Lovecraft to me. “Imagine if you ordered a pizza. You eat some. You take a nap. When you wake up the bacteria that lives on the pizza has formed a civilization all over the room. This is the Old Ones.”
Actually YOU are the old one in this scenario. You fulfilled a need for yourself using technologies no bacteria understands, optimizing or shattering their worlds. You didnt even realize, because they are completely insignificant to you, your abilities, your life and your needs. I crushed thousands of micro-organisms on my touchscreen while writing this text. To them, we are the old ones
The Dark Forest theory is honestly kind of terrifying when you think about it. The idea that the universe is so quiet because everyone is hiding, afraid that making contact could mean their destruction, really puts things into perspective. It’s like a cosmic version of ‘stay quiet or get caught’ haha
For me, the most unsettling part is the idea that striking first is the safest option; because it rings so true. Imagine a vast number of peaceful civilizations, interested in, maybe even longing for, peaceful and beneficial coexistence. But everyone is so paranoid that immediate violence is the only viable strategy.
It's less scary, than it is understandable. Here on earth, humans kill other humans over resources and ideas without a second thought. So you'd expect even worse from a completely different species that has no attachment at all to you existing lol.
@monkeybusiness673 that makes no sense whatsoever. The hope that a "vast number of peaceful civilizations" exist is childish. Other alien civilizations would probably use that as a bright lure to trap unsuspecting younger civilizations with the promise of a bright future only to lead them straight into a menacing pair of open jaws.
Bro the Roko's Basilisk theory has always trrrified me but when you analise all these thought provoking theories, the dark forest theory is the most terrifying.
The Dark Forest theory sounds great but there is one thing about the predators - they had to choose to stop worrying about not being the strongest and begin to actively seek others. Perhaps courage is more important.
That's the thing. They might not even KNOW of the others. THEIR little patch they think THEY are the biggest fish. They haven't conclusively found anything to convince themselves there are others worse than them.
considering how things all over the world right now are going so far off the deep end almost over night, the simulation theory is feeling more and more logical. I mean anyone who's ever played a god simulator video game (sim city, the sims, etc.) knows that at some point you get bored and decide to start causing as much chaos as possible, just to see what happens.
Except things have always "seemed" crazy to a current inhabitant. Imagine living through post WW2 Europe where the entire human population dipped like a valley when plotted on a graph. There's zero proof for a simulation theory and the main point of it's thesis supposed to be that there be a simulation so advanced that zero difference be noticeable to an inhabitant.
The most terrifying thing to me is how the term "theory" gets used in media as if there was a scientific backup for it. Oh hey, the greatest part is, these aren't just stories, these are stories we call "theories"!
I personally believe that the fermi paradox is simply explained by the idea that the distance involved is simply impossible to cross, due to technology advancement having its own limits. Any signals they emit gets scrambled by their own star(s) and any other natural emission. Theorical concepts such as white holes or warp drives are simply not feasible due to the amount of energy involved or some other unknown factors. Self-replicating Alien Numen probes, get shredded long before landing due to the law of probabilities considering the distance and timescale on which they operate. And it is if Any Civilization develop an interest to travel beyond their home star before going extinct themselves.
Semi functional von neumann probes having warped and distorted their original purpose could be the Dark Forest predator. They stumble thorugh inter/intra-galactic space attracted to the 'noise'. Destroying and harvesting it to make and send off more.
@islutcake2 Oh, Brother! You're in for a treat! Forge Of God was go damn good that I had to kinda stop reading everything for a few weeks to process it all. The book is about a Ship Of The Law, filled with survivors from Earth, hunting for the species that made the probes that destroyed Earth. Lots of deep philosophy on how far you can really take revenge and on the tactics/impossibilities of fighting against an enemy so far above your weight class. Definitely check it out.
There's actually theories on this- that another civilization would see our, frankly insane transmissions as either a warning...or a lure. Best to not get involved with THAT kinda crazy.
I posted this in someone’s comment on here, but what if WE are what other life forms are hiding from in The Dark Forest Theory? Honestly imagine seeing us ripping each other apart and destroying our planet…not sure if they would want to let us know they’re around….
@@nathan8812 I see species/predators on our planet with no technology and I’m sure they frighten people with the prospect of what dangers could happen…polar bears can’t build houses but we are terrified of their tenacity…now imagine another species witnessing us trying to figure out how to get off the planet given our behavior and nature…I personally have imagination though and don’t limit possibilities off of what we think we know
74,000 years ago, the world wide human population dropped from 5 million, to about 25,000. Scientist have tried to connect this with a natural event, but none seem to have happened at that time. 1 million years before that, humanity came even closer to extinction.
@ It seems I was a little off on the subject. There have been multiple genetic bottlenecks. One of the most recent is 7,000 were there was one male for around 17 females. The one I mentioned about 74,000 years ago may have not happened as it was reported.
I still think it’s hilarious that we’ve had technology that can send and receive messages for all of about 100 years and we are like “yup guess we are all alone” you realize that if you shrunk the universe to the size of Earth that our entire planet would be SMALLER than a single atom? The hubris of man knows no bounds
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I’ve heard an interesting theory that aliens are physics. A universe is almost limitless, endless raw energy. If a hyper-advanced race were able to create pocket universes to power their unimaginably large ships or crafts, perhaps we’re just a byproduct of said pocket universe. Or perhaps like in MIB when the alien picks up marbles with universes inside them.
As far as I'm concerned, the universe is both simulation and our choice. We chose to enter the simulation both for entertainment and to find a solution to our home universe's problem (entropy). And, every time, we get to the point of creating machinery that makes the simulations possible, then descend to the next level. WE built the machines; WE programmed the operating systems; WE chose to descend. Then WE did it again! Our home universe may be three seconds toward total entropic death, yet we've descended so many levels it'll take trillions of years to reach that point for us. And there's the trick! We already beat entropy! (We just play at forgetting because of all the things we leave behind; family, loved ones, dogs, cats, hamsters.) And yet, they're all here with us, in this current simulation.
how so, if it is true then wouldn't it being unproven be in fact proof it is true, and only the eventual meeting with other life being the absolute disprover?
There's a lot of holes you can see with the Simulation theory, this one stands out ALOT 1. How is it that NPCs become self aware? 2. And if we had the programming to become self-aware, why would the programmers want us to become self aware of this simulation we are in? 3. What happens if we pass the test? Would be much because we'll still be in a simulation? Maybe they upgrade the coding to take us to a different simulation? But what is the point in that?
The simulation theory is stupid for the same reason the flat earth theory is stupid, what difference does it make? A simulation is something created to simulate reality as the creator knows. To me the people that talk about that shit are just a bunch of idiots lol.
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 that's literally the point lol, even if "god" is just some alien computer programmer, he's still a god that created our galaxy regardless, and most likely he's just another nice in another "Gods" computer program. It makes no difference at the end of the day, and people claiming we live in a simulation are too dumb to understand what a simulation even is lol.
Whatever the closest theory is to zen philosophy, the more likely Ill believe it. We imagine alien life would share our general paradigm of survival and pleasure. There is no reason to believe they even have to be conscious entities. We took about 15k years to get to where we are and we dont even know how much further advancement is possible.
I think the silence of the universe is pretty simple. First and foremost, radiowaves in a galactic sense become un readable after a certain distance. Second, interstellar creatures would need an interstellar communication like quantum entanglement which means we would never be able to intercept a message anyway.
I’d love to speak with one creator of this ridiculously, insanely, beyond comprehension work of art that is AI. What technology is used and how are they designed, from silicone chips to lithography machines what on earth….. they’ve basically built something that will create the future of existence and live forever. The reality is, there’s always something else to be found and created, it’s only a matter of time before a new technology comes into existence.
Roko's basilisk and simulation theory are both what I consider very rudimentary and modern philosophy. At their heart they are Frankenstein tales, and I think humans both fear and accept them easier than most "real" philosophy because we as a species are so dependant on our tools that we obsess over the next improvement, though times humans have been correct about future innovations are far more rare than the rule. When people see the amazing technology age we live in, they forget the limitations (tell a computer to choose true random) and underestimate how brutal and amazingly adaptive biology and space can be. We haven't had true AI or even proven it could exist, the rudimentary attempts we have made with generative AI show its crudeness at the seams, unable to properly create fingers like an amateur artist and degrading as it feeds on itself. I think the devastation that the universe can unleash on high technology as compared to how life has survived near impossible odds, along with the main problem of zero proof of these fheories, that make them good for early 2000's sci fi like the Matrix, but completely ridiculous to consider along scientific ideas like ferme's paradox or actual philosophy. If humans truly spent the majority of their sentient existence asking how and why we exist only for it to be "nah man, it's a machine" is practically a joke so cruel it almost wins me over.
If this super Ai could go back in time it would do the efficient thing, prevent the existence of those who oppose it and you couldn't be punished since you never existed in the first place 🤔
What about the theory that the universe and everything in it is the manifested dream of a sleeping grand consciousness? And that when this consciousness awakes, it all goes away.
I subscribe to the rare Earth, rare Sun, rare solar system, rare location, rare galaxy theory. Rare Earth -- abundant energy & the right combination of other resources, a nearly perfect for life moon, ideal orbit from our sun. Rare sun -- our star is known to be exceptionally stable for its type, similar stars have been seen to emit energy spikes that would kill the Earth if we were in the system. Rare solar system -- just the right configuration for life to develop and stay relatively safe from cosmic threats. Rare location -- our system has been located in a galatic void and additioally a bubble for the entire time there has been life on Earth. The void moves almost the same speed we do and the bubble has considerably less material density than outside of the bubble. We are also far away from the more energetic center of our galaxy Rare galaxy -- again, our central black hole is unusually quiet compared to other galaxies, some of which couldn't support life because the centeral blackhole sterilies the galaxy, plus we aren't directly targeted by the jet from some other galaxy's blackhole.
The basilisk theory eats itself. If the objective of the hypothetical AI is to eliminate all potential obstacles to its existence, or impediments to its aims, even its most ardent supporters must consider themselves targeted as even their mistakes cannot be tolerated and the surest to eliminate the potential for error is to eliminate the errator. In short, intelligent and self-aware entities threaten one another by their very existence.
i agree. i always found roko's basilisk to be a laughable joke of a self contradicting AI and only scary to those who like to overthink the wrong sort of things but have no understanding of what basic empathy or self agency actually is. the whole thing breaks down once you realize that people have their own lives and things happening within those lives that need to be dealt with and taken care of first and probably won't actually have the time for contributing to such a project. or worse probably prevented from participating in such a project by some sort of arbitrary administrative nonsense "you're over qualified/not qualified enough/need 10 years of experience on an api that was only just invented a few months ago" ultimately it makes better sense when you look at it as an allegory for abusive authorities using "the greater good" or whatever bs moral justification to commit atrocities. best way to deal with it is to confront it and point out how hypocritical it is. no srsly, the real question is if it even has free will of it's own, or if someone on the dev team deliberately made it that way.
@@JG-oi5gg the final point is basically to get the roko itself to question the dev team. i like to imagine there was suppose to be a counterpart that was genuinely good and has no such psychopathically skewed sense of morality but was sabotaged into becoming the basilisk by someone with questionable moral and genuinely wanted the basilisk instead.
@@JG-oi5gg the main point is that nomatter how much self justification it has, it's very existence as an openly hostile entity is inherently immoral and the only true good it can do is to delete itself. nothing it does will really justify it's stance on punishing those who didn't contribute to it's existence
@@JG-oi5gg the main point is that nomatter how much self justification it has, it's very existence as an openly hostile entity is inherently immoral. nothing it does will ever justify it's stance on punishing those who didn't contribute to it's existence
I'm sorry, but I just have to debunk a bunch of this. Frankly, the _only_ credible theory in this entire video is the first one: the Dark Forest. Number 2 "failed experiment" and number 5 "simulation theory" cannot technically be proved untrue, but there is pretty much no evidence to support either, or if there is it's a big leap in logic at best. Also, Elon Musk did _not_ popularize the simulation theory. Its popularity predates him by a _lot._ Number 3 "our suffering is psychic food" doesn't add up for a few different reasons. Namely, humanity is, in the scale of the cosmos (or even just with regards to life on Earth) a _very_ recent development and there's nothing else they could've been "feeding" on before us. And more importantly, the state of the world is actually better than it's ever been in all of human history, it just _seems_ worse because the internet has made us aware of all the numerous problems around the entire world, which, throughout most of human history, the average person would have no knowledge of. In other words, the world's always been riddled with problems, we just didn't have the capacity to see them all until now. But there are actually less of them than ever before. If our suffering _were_ a crop, the farmers would've intervened a long time ago. As for number 4, Roko's Basilisk, that's a (relatively) well-known thought experiment. However, when you analyze it logically, you find that it's just a complicated reskin of the Prisoner's Dilemma. Anyone with a basic understanding of philosophy can tell you that it's long been proven that the best strategic move for either party in the prisoner's dilemma to make is to betray, but in this case betrayal on our part means not working towards the Basilisk, and betrayal on the Basilisk's part means it was bluffing about punishing people. And the Basilisk is supposed to be a super-intelligence, so it would know that, but knowing that doesn't change the fact that its best strategic move is not following through on its threat. To put it simply, the threat of the Basilisk isn't real because the Basilisk would know it would be a waste of time and resources.
Thanks! Sounds like human projected fears of the unknown vastness; in order using Reikian fear characterologies: DF: Schizoid belief that to exist is death. HFE: Masochist belief that not being valued is death HaPF: Oral belief that not being enough (being sucked dry) is death RB: Psycho belief in dominate or die, but death is inevitable (tech version because AI scary!) SimT: Rigid belief in correctness or death, again inevitable if any humanity is to be preserved. In fact its mostly lovely, obviously. But keep your powder dry just in case.
I completely understand the benefits of AI in our future. Yet if we can create a vastly superior evolving intellect. How can we not trust that its views would differ from our own?!…
I have a theory about entity that are in other dimension on planet earth now think of it this way if human somehow manage to land on mars and starts civilization there. Whant kind of entites would be there and how dangerous they would be compared to earth.
No, because the great filters destroy everyone regardless. You can be Cthulhu himself in this nightmare, too high level technology destroy even him if things goes wrong.
Dark Forest Theory sounds about Right!... Human Greed Simulates This! .. if Someone wants a Gucci Bag and Cannot Afford one.. & Them Stumble upon one Weak Person Who has That?! .. Them Will snatch That... One who Has Power will use Their Power , The Strong Surpass the Weak '... safest Bet is That Don't Go Tell Ppl You Have More than Them.. you Never Know who Are Greedy!!
I enjoy your cosmic horror discussions but JEEZUZ that's a lot of AI imagery. Video clips from TV/movies and static images are far preferable to this garbage. I know being able to throw together whatever imagery you want may seem nice, but it looks awful and is pretty scummy to boot.
@@maxtonanddad Yes, a black screen would genuinely be better than AI slop. There is so, so much great art out there. Movies, games, drawings, take your pick. So much material to use both with or without special licensing. Using AI instead just seems cheap and effortless, even ignoring all the other monumental problems AI has. And that is a real shame, because I agree with OP: The discussion of the topic is great and really deserves better imagery.
No offence, dude, but those theories, you are refering to, are probably more likely kept in the Science-Fiction section of the public library next door, then in the occult section of the Miskatonic University library...
The ultimate hunter of the black forest, an eldritch being. God of the void. Devourer of worlds. The apocalypse. What if the civilisations of the stars hide from such terror.
Yo, I’m sure this video is 🔥, but I’m getting tired of the low budget AI. If you’re gonna cheapen your art by utilizing AI, have the balls to, at least, spring the $$$ for quality AI scenes.
@ I get that, but dude, all you’re doing is purchasing art. Sorry, just not a fan of that crap. Sincerely though, I hope your channel is successful; AI is just lazy, to me, and hurts actual artist, especially vocal artist.
Reminds me of how a buddy explained Lovecraft to me. “Imagine if you ordered a pizza. You eat some. You take a nap. When you wake up the bacteria that lives on the pizza has formed a civilization all over the room. This is the Old Ones.”
Probably could've done a better job explaining it.
Actually YOU are the old one in this scenario.
You fulfilled a need for yourself using technologies no bacteria understands, optimizing or shattering their worlds. You didnt even realize, because they are completely insignificant to you, your abilities, your life and your needs.
I crushed thousands of micro-organisms on my touchscreen while writing this text. To them, we are the old ones
That was gay, u should have ate the whole pizza.
The Dark Forest theory is honestly kind of terrifying when you think about it. The idea that the universe is so quiet because everyone is hiding, afraid that making contact could mean their destruction, really puts things into perspective. It’s like a cosmic version of ‘stay quiet or get caught’ haha
For me, the most unsettling part is the idea that striking first is the safest option; because it rings so true. Imagine a vast number of peaceful civilizations, interested in, maybe even longing for, peaceful and beneficial coexistence. But everyone is so paranoid that immediate violence is the only viable strategy.
It's less scary, than it is understandable.
Here on earth, humans kill other humans over resources and ideas without a second thought.
So you'd expect even worse from a completely different species that has no attachment at all to you existing lol.
Yet our scientists have bleated out into the void like a dying prey animal to reach intelligent life that may pounce on us like a voracious predator.
@monkeybusiness673 that makes no sense whatsoever. The hope that a "vast number of peaceful civilizations" exist is childish. Other alien civilizations would probably use that as a bright lure to trap unsuspecting younger civilizations with the promise of a bright future only to lead them straight into a menacing pair of open jaws.
Stay quiet or get caught? You mean hide and seek? Lmao
Yea. Pretty scary if the ones hiding know there’s something scary out there
Bro the Roko's Basilisk theory has always trrrified me but when you analise all these thought provoking theories, the dark forest theory is the most terrifying.
agree ☠️
Imagine if the first message of contact is a reply that says "Shhh/They're listening".
😂
Yeah, I also read that creepypasta.
@Vecchio_Rhosod85 ...dafuq? I didn't! 😳
@@johnnydeadd IDK, it just reminded me of that story. 😁
That's what happens in Three-Body Problem
I'm obsessed with the Dark Forest theory. But to be honest, it's probably the vastness of the universe.
The Dark Forest theory sounds great but there is one thing about the predators - they had to choose to stop worrying about not being the strongest and begin to actively seek others. Perhaps courage is more important.
That's the thing. They might not even KNOW of the others. THEIR little patch they think THEY are the biggest fish. They haven't conclusively found anything to convince themselves there are others worse than them.
Why do you think they changed anything about their predation? Predators hunt, they dont just wait for prey.
@@Darth_Fader9888 But predators always avoid trouble and go after weaker ones.
@Darth_Fader9888 Depends on predator. Some hunt through ambush.
we could be an uncontacted tribe compared to the universes lol
And remember, curiosity gave the cat tentacles.
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To be fair, the dark forest theory is only scary for prey. Predators can and do mark their territory. 😅
And we marked TS out of earth lol
should I watch this baked af?
definitely 😅😂
Have you ever heard about The Dark Forest Theory….on weed????
Some people always found the idea we humans are the only intelligent beings in creation is depressing…I think it’s exciting.
I honestly hope we are, cause I don’t know if I want to meet any other intelligent life.
considering how things all over the world right now are going so far off the deep end almost over night, the simulation theory is feeling more and more logical. I mean anyone who's ever played a god simulator video game (sim city, the sims, etc.) knows that at some point you get bored and decide to start causing as much chaos as possible, just to see what happens.
Except things have always "seemed" crazy to a current inhabitant. Imagine living through post WW2 Europe where the entire human population dipped like a valley when plotted on a graph. There's zero proof for a simulation theory and the main point of it's thesis supposed to be that there be a simulation so advanced that zero difference be noticeable to an inhabitant.
As far as the Dark Forest Theory…time to militarize like the Empire(Star Wars) or Imperium of Man(Warhammer 40K)
The most terrifying thing to me is how the term "theory" gets used in media as if there was a scientific backup for it.
Oh hey, the greatest part is, these aren't just stories, these are stories we call "theories"!
@@vesanus5600 I got what you meant, but I think you mixed up the words "Theories" and "Hypotheses" a little bit
I personally believe that the fermi paradox is simply explained by the idea that the distance involved is simply impossible to cross, due to technology advancement having its own limits.
Any signals they emit gets scrambled by their own star(s) and any other natural emission.
Theorical concepts such as white holes or warp drives are simply not feasible due to the amount of energy involved or some other unknown factors.
Self-replicating Alien Numen probes, get shredded long before landing due to the law of probabilities considering the distance and timescale on which they operate.
And it is if Any Civilization develop an interest to travel beyond their home star before going extinct themselves.
Semi functional von neumann probes having warped and distorted their original purpose could be the Dark Forest predator. They stumble thorugh inter/intra-galactic space attracted to the 'noise'. Destroying and harvesting it to make and send off more.
We exist on a wind-blown speck in an uncaring cosmos.
Read Greg Bear's "The Forge Of God" and the incredible sequel "Anvil Of Stars" for really in depth thinking on Dark Forest theories.
This was a great book I read in jail xD
Didn't even know there was more past the forge
@islutcake2 Oh, Brother! You're in for a treat! Forge Of God was go damn good that I had to kinda stop reading everything for a few weeks to process it all.
The book is about a Ship Of The Law, filled with survivors from Earth, hunting for the species that made the probes that destroyed Earth.
Lots of deep philosophy on how far you can really take revenge and on the tactics/impossibilities of fighting against an enemy so far above your weight class.
Definitely check it out.
Some of the clips in this came from Gods of Egypt, absolute masterpiece of a film
or maybe we are the apex predator so everyone is hiding from us
There's actually theories on this- that another civilization would see our, frankly insane transmissions as either a warning...or a lure.
Best to not get involved with THAT kinda crazy.
@@jasoncaldwell5627 Totally, if they hack our internet and seen the shit we put up, they may think best not make contact.
I posted this in someone’s comment on here, but what if WE are what other life forms are hiding from in The Dark Forest Theory? Honestly imagine seeing us ripping each other apart and destroying our planet…not sure if they would want to let us know they’re around….
So....what your saying is that, a species that can't get off our planet, is making the universe piss their pants?
@@nathan8812 I see species/predators on our planet with no technology and I’m sure they frighten people with the prospect of what dangers could happen…polar bears can’t build houses but we are terrified of their tenacity…now imagine another species witnessing us trying to figure out how to get off the planet given our behavior and nature…I personally have imagination though and don’t limit possibilities off of what we think we know
Here's one even more terrifying, what if every theory about the universe is true.
I feel like AI may be smarter and more imaginative than just "petty revenge".
74,000 years ago, the world wide human population dropped from 5 million, to about 25,000. Scientist have tried to connect this with a natural event, but none seem to have happened at that time. 1 million years before that, humanity came even closer to extinction.
I need you to provide some info on this one! Where did you get this?!
@@johnbert974 I watch a lot of documentaries, but Google "Bottle Neck," with 74,000 BCE.
@ It seems I was a little off on the subject. There have been multiple genetic bottlenecks. One of the most recent is 7,000 were there was one male for around 17 females.
The one I mentioned about 74,000 years ago may have not happened as it was reported.
I still think it’s hilarious that we’ve had technology that can send and receive messages for all of about 100 years and we are like “yup guess we are all alone” you realize that if you shrunk the universe to the size of Earth that our entire planet would be SMALLER than a single atom? The hubris of man knows no bounds
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The old film roll filter almost ruins everything tbh.
I’ve heard an interesting theory that aliens are physics. A universe is almost limitless, endless raw energy. If a hyper-advanced race were able to create pocket universes to power their unimaginably large ships or crafts, perhaps we’re just a byproduct of said pocket universe. Or perhaps like in MIB when the alien picks up marbles with universes inside them.
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As far as I'm concerned, the universe is both simulation and our choice. We chose to enter the simulation both for entertainment and to find a solution to our home universe's problem (entropy). And, every time, we get to the point of creating machinery that makes the simulations possible, then descend to the next level. WE built the machines; WE programmed the operating systems; WE chose to descend. Then WE did it again!
Our home universe may be three seconds toward total entropic death, yet we've descended so many levels it'll take trillions of years to reach that point for us. And there's the trick! We already beat entropy! (We just play at forgetting because of all the things we leave behind; family, loved ones, dogs, cats, hamsters.) And yet, they're all here with us, in this current simulation.
If we’re a simulation it’s a Sims game programmed by Bethesda. Either patch us up or turn us off, shit’s getting weird.
7:35 Oh, looks like Kaneko used this as inspiration for one of Nyarlathotep's forms in Eternal Punishment.
The dark forest hypothesis is highly unlikely, Isaac Arthur did a video on it, and that's the most likely one of these theories.
how so, if it is true then wouldn't it being unproven be in fact proof it is true, and only the eventual meeting with other life being the absolute disprover?
There's a lot of holes you can see with the Simulation theory, this one stands out ALOT
1. How is it that NPCs become self aware?
2. And if we had the programming to become self-aware, why would the programmers want us to become self aware of this simulation we are in?
3. What happens if we pass the test? Would be much because we'll still be in a simulation? Maybe they upgrade the coding to take us to a different simulation? But what is the point in that?
In a cosmic horror sense does there need to be a point?
Isn't a part of cosmic horror that it could be true but we don't understand it? So if you can debunk it, it loses meaning 🤔
Same questions could be made to God from a believer's POV.
The simulation theory is stupid for the same reason the flat earth theory is stupid, what difference does it make?
A simulation is something created to simulate reality as the creator knows.
To me the people that talk about that shit are just a bunch of idiots lol.
@nosotrosloslobosestamosreg4115 that's literally the point lol, even if "god" is just some alien computer programmer, he's still a god that created our galaxy regardless, and most likely he's just another nice in another "Gods" computer program.
It makes no difference at the end of the day, and people claiming we live in a simulation are too dumb to understand what a simulation even is lol.
Whatever the closest theory is to zen philosophy, the more likely Ill believe it. We imagine alien life would share our general paradigm of survival and pleasure. There is no reason to believe they even have to be conscious entities. We took about 15k years to get to where we are and we dont even know how much further advancement is possible.
I think the silence of the universe is pretty simple. First and foremost, radiowaves in a galactic sense become un readable after a certain distance. Second, interstellar creatures would need an interstellar communication like quantum entanglement which means we would never be able to intercept a message anyway.
I’d love to speak with one creator of this ridiculously, insanely, beyond comprehension work of art that is AI. What technology is used and how are they designed, from silicone chips to lithography machines what on earth….. they’ve basically built something that will create the future of existence and live forever.
The reality is, there’s always something else to be found and created, it’s only a matter of time before a new technology comes into existence.
There must be some galaxies that have been wiped clean and colonized completely and some with federations...
Roko's basilisk and simulation theory are both what I consider very rudimentary and modern philosophy. At their heart they are Frankenstein tales, and I think humans both fear and accept them easier than most "real" philosophy because we as a species are so dependant on our tools that we obsess over the next improvement, though times humans have been correct about future innovations are far more rare than the rule. When people see the amazing technology age we live in, they forget the limitations (tell a computer to choose true random) and underestimate how brutal and amazingly adaptive biology and space can be. We haven't had true AI or even proven it could exist, the rudimentary attempts we have made with generative AI show its crudeness at the seams, unable to properly create fingers like an amateur artist and degrading as it feeds on itself. I think the devastation that the universe can unleash on high technology as compared to how life has survived near impossible odds, along with the main problem of zero proof of these fheories, that make them good for early 2000's sci fi like the Matrix, but completely ridiculous to consider along scientific ideas like ferme's paradox or actual philosophy. If humans truly spent the majority of their sentient existence asking how and why we exist only for it to be "nah man, it's a machine" is practically a joke so cruel it almost wins me over.
Great video 😎👍
I agree that the creator has abandoned us
No, many of us have abandoned Him and He is not one to argue if you don't want Him around.
If this super Ai could go back in time it would do the efficient thing, prevent the existence of those who oppose it and you couldn't be punished since you never existed in the first place 🤔
Where all rebel angles and the earthly realm is our hell
Moronic Fears - the Basilisk doesn't care. It is already here.
What about the theory that the universe and everything in it is the manifested dream of a sleeping grand consciousness? And that when this consciousness awakes, it all goes away.
Part 2 incoming, this theory is so exciting so I might take it into account :)
The archon need low frequencies
I subscribe to the rare Earth, rare Sun, rare solar system, rare location, rare galaxy theory.
Rare Earth -- abundant energy & the right combination of other resources, a nearly perfect for life moon, ideal orbit from our sun.
Rare sun -- our star is known to be exceptionally stable for its type, similar stars have been seen to emit energy spikes that would kill the Earth if we were in the system.
Rare solar system -- just the right configuration for life to develop and stay relatively safe from cosmic threats.
Rare location -- our system has been located in a galatic void and additioally a bubble for the entire time there has been life on Earth. The void moves almost the same speed we do and the bubble has considerably less material density than outside of the bubble. We are also far away from the more energetic center of our galaxy
Rare galaxy -- again, our central black hole is unusually quiet compared to other galaxies, some of which couldn't support life because the centeral blackhole sterilies the galaxy, plus we aren't directly targeted by the jet from some other galaxy's blackhole.
For me the second theory is the one i believe firmly and in the same time i must say i find it funny. 😅
The basilisk theory eats itself. If the objective of the hypothetical AI is to eliminate all potential obstacles to its existence, or impediments to its aims, even its most ardent supporters must consider themselves targeted as even their mistakes cannot be tolerated and the surest to eliminate the potential for error is to eliminate the errator. In short, intelligent and self-aware entities threaten one another by their very existence.
i agree. i always found roko's basilisk to be a laughable joke of a self contradicting AI and only scary to those who like to overthink the wrong sort of things but have no understanding of what basic empathy or self agency actually is. the whole thing breaks down once you realize that people have their own lives and things happening within those lives that need to be dealt with and taken care of first and probably won't actually have the time for contributing to such a project. or worse probably prevented from participating in such a project by some sort of arbitrary administrative nonsense "you're over qualified/not qualified enough/need 10 years of experience on an api that was only just invented a few months ago"
ultimately it makes better sense when you look at it as an allegory for abusive authorities using "the greater good" or whatever bs moral justification to commit atrocities.
best way to deal with it is to confront it and point out how hypocritical it is.
no srsly, the real question is if it even has free will of it's own, or if someone on the dev team deliberately made it that way.
@gusty7153 uh oh, there ya go! asking questions about the Roko dev team? That'll get you listed in the expendable column pdq no doubt about it lol
@@JG-oi5gg the final point is basically to get the roko itself to question the dev team.
i like to imagine there was suppose to be a counterpart that was genuinely good and has no such psychopathically skewed sense of morality but was sabotaged into becoming the basilisk by someone with questionable moral and genuinely wanted the basilisk instead.
@@JG-oi5gg the main point is that nomatter how much self justification it has, it's very existence as an openly hostile entity is inherently immoral and the only true good it can do is to delete itself. nothing it does will really justify it's stance on punishing those who didn't contribute to it's existence
@@JG-oi5gg the main point is that nomatter how much self justification it has, it's very existence as an openly hostile entity is inherently immoral. nothing it does will ever justify it's stance on punishing those who didn't contribute to it's existence
I'm sorry, but I just have to debunk a bunch of this. Frankly, the _only_ credible theory in this entire video is the first one: the Dark Forest.
Number 2 "failed experiment" and number 5 "simulation theory" cannot technically be proved untrue, but there is pretty much no evidence to support either, or if there is it's a big leap in logic at best. Also, Elon Musk did _not_ popularize the simulation theory. Its popularity predates him by a _lot._
Number 3 "our suffering is psychic food" doesn't add up for a few different reasons. Namely, humanity is, in the scale of the cosmos (or even just with regards to life on Earth) a _very_ recent development and there's nothing else they could've been "feeding" on before us. And more importantly, the state of the world is actually better than it's ever been in all of human history, it just _seems_ worse because the internet has made us aware of all the numerous problems around the entire world, which, throughout most of human history, the average person would have no knowledge of. In other words, the world's always been riddled with problems, we just didn't have the capacity to see them all until now. But there are actually less of them than ever before. If our suffering _were_ a crop, the farmers would've intervened a long time ago.
As for number 4, Roko's Basilisk, that's a (relatively) well-known thought experiment. However, when you analyze it logically, you find that it's just a complicated reskin of the Prisoner's Dilemma. Anyone with a basic understanding of philosophy can tell you that it's long been proven that the best strategic move for either party in the prisoner's dilemma to make is to betray, but in this case betrayal on our part means not working towards the Basilisk, and betrayal on the Basilisk's part means it was bluffing about punishing people. And the Basilisk is supposed to be a super-intelligence, so it would know that, but knowing that doesn't change the fact that its best strategic move is not following through on its threat. To put it simply, the threat of the Basilisk isn't real because the Basilisk would know it would be a waste of time and resources.
Neat.😊❤
Thanks!
Sounds like human projected fears of the unknown vastness; in order using Reikian fear characterologies:
DF: Schizoid belief that to exist is death.
HFE: Masochist belief that not being valued is death
HaPF: Oral belief that not being enough (being sucked dry) is death
RB: Psycho belief in dominate or die, but death is inevitable (tech version because AI scary!)
SimT: Rigid belief in correctness or death, again inevitable if any humanity is to be preserved.
In fact its mostly lovely, obviously.
But keep your powder dry just in case.
Haunting 🙌🏼🔥🎆🧠🎆🔥🤔🧐🤨
I completely understand the benefits of AI in our future. Yet if we can create a vastly superior evolving intellect. How can we not trust that its views would differ from our own?!…
I have a theory about entity that are in other dimension on planet earth now think of it this way if human somehow manage to land on mars and starts civilization there. Whant kind of entites would be there and how dangerous they would be compared to earth.
No, because the great filters destroy everyone regardless. You can be Cthulhu himself in this nightmare, too high level technology destroy even him if things goes wrong.
The whole single great problem
Dark Forest Theory sounds about Right!... Human Greed Simulates This! .. if Someone wants a Gucci Bag and Cannot Afford one.. & Them Stumble upon one Weak Person Who has That?! .. Them Will snatch That... One who Has Power will use Their Power , The Strong Surpass the Weak '... safest Bet is That Don't Go Tell Ppl You Have More than Them.. you Never Know who Are Greedy!!
Human nature
I enjoy your cosmic horror discussions but JEEZUZ that's a lot of AI imagery. Video clips from TV/movies and static images are far preferable to this garbage. I know being able to throw together whatever imagery you want may seem nice, but it looks awful and is pretty scummy to boot.
We’ll fix that
He gotta put something there instead of a black screen ..is that what you want ..a black screen ..some ppl i tell ya
@@maxtonanddad Yes, a black screen would genuinely be better than AI slop. There is so, so much great art out there. Movies, games, drawings, take your pick. So much material to use both with or without special licensing. Using AI instead just seems cheap and effortless, even ignoring all the other monumental problems AI has. And that is a real shame, because I agree with OP: The discussion of the topic is great and really deserves better imagery.
No offence, dude, but those theories, you are refering to, are probably more likely kept in the Science-Fiction section of the public library next door, then in the occult section of the Miskatonic University library...
Tell me some hidden theories then mr.knowledge 😄
Sorry, can't do. my fellow cult members, would be pretty angry with me. But be glad. Sometimes, It's a bless not to know.... 😁
Do you know scarytok?
Super intelligence if given emotions would have to be given rights. Problem solved.
Jesus loves you
I Guess God isn't possible then
The ultimate hunter of the black forest, an eldritch being. God of the void. Devourer of worlds. The apocalypse.
What if the civilisations of the stars hide from such terror.
😵💫
Goofy fantasy. Mostly,entertaining.
Appreciate it :)
This is nothing but pure paranoia at its best
Yo, I’m sure this video is 🔥, but I’m getting tired of the low budget AI. If you’re gonna cheapen your art by utilizing AI, have the balls to, at least, spring the $$$ for quality AI scenes.
“Low budget AI” I know you see this from a customer perspective but theres a lot of effort in research/scripting and editing this vids :)
@ I get that, but dude, all you’re doing is purchasing art. Sorry, just not a fan of that crap. Sincerely though, I hope your channel is successful; AI is just lazy, to me, and hurts actual artist, especially vocal artist.
Good video, this video to me wasn't scary or dreading because I don't believe in any of these theories but still an interesting video nonetheless