I see the issue with Monolophosaurus, its going to struggle so rather than making it able to track stuff in its mucus, it should be able to track everything and have the best nose in the entire game, from being able to sniff out nests, burrows, vomit, mucus, footsteps, forage able areas and so on and make it heavily reliant on its scent then that'd make it more unique. With Herrerasaurus, I don't see there being any issues other than the fact it will be around coasts, not until they are properly improved. If anything Rugops would struggle moreover than Herrera, but to make Rugops somewhat viable is to make it one of the hardest animals to track, we know it has a low crouch and can hide well but why not make it impossible to track its steps and yet have amazing agility and speed for its size.
I dont have much to say on the others at the moment. I do want to ask about Mono though, cause that method is exactly like Giga. I think it would be very fun to "See" with your scent. Something like Night Vision, but it happens when you smell. The effect could be like a highlight? Everything within a radius is highlighted yellow or something when sniffing, and a layer similar to green nightvision technology overlays the camera. The snot can still be a thing even. If somebody is snotted then they get highlighted regardless of distance so long as they are in your maximum scent range. Something like that
I think Mono will be used as a tracking dog for larger carnivores, like it may lead a allo to a group of nesting maias in order to get a free meal or something like that.
You know what, I think that could work if done properly. Similar to how Ptera's sometimes work with other carni's to track food down, or like crows with wolves. My idea is that Mono's could be like Blood Hounds/sharks, but they don't have good eyesight, similar to Rhinos or bats. Stuff might be kinda blurry for them if something is too far away to see. If it's going to be the weird sneezing hunter, might as well make it more reliant on its ability to smell. :3 Plus, maybe it could have a cool new sniffing overlay that makes all footprints visible with little bright light beacons, make their sense of smell on pare with Cerato's or better. They could also be great hunters at night. Maybe Dino's could have a soft pulsing glow at night when they sniff? Mono and Dilo would be the Night Kings.
Even if herra cant hunt from the trees the way they showed, it can still atleast ambush juvies or small tiers by just dropping and chasing them. and if it can't do that and it'll just scavenge it won't matter since the charm of herra is the climbing mechanic itself
Mono snot vs humans sounds potentially incredibly strong tbh- lay the snot tracker mine in compounds, doorways etc and you're off to the races. Herrera vs humans sounds also like a favourible matchup to the dinosaur. But herrera at launch is probably going to be a bit rough
I think that one idea for herra being able to attack mid to big-mid sized herbivores is that they would pounce on their back and start to bite the prey but you have to balance it with the A and D keys to avoid the herra being thrown off the herbivore.
I feel like Herrera should do more damage when it’s attacking from the trees so that it can hunt slightly larger game. Herrera s should be the lynx of the isle and what i mean is that lynx can sometimes take down deer even though deer are larger that it so Herrera should be able to do the same thing but only if it’s able to attack from a tree
Herra will almost undoubtedly be viable everywhere. The ability to climb and completely avoid significant danger is very very useful. Even if Mono has incentive to hang around coasts, like i heard from somewhere else, Herra will still absolutely be able to survive everywhere else it wants to. Climbing is just that good
The Mono snot-mine sounds like a really versatile hunting tool. Having a dedicated tracking ability would be particularly beneficial in dense vegetation, where visual tracking might be challenging. It'll probably have better scent capabilities than the other low tier carnis too. Also, the ability to aim this at predators and prey to disorientate would be huge in gaining the upper hand in encounters.
I'd be worried for herrera if gateway didn't have migration spots, so many cliffs and roads which are used pretty commonly. Also looking at the clips we got of hererra you can stun things around 450kg and you deal over 120 dmg per pounce. In the jungle you could reliably drop onto an omni stun it bite it once then scurry up a tree and repeat it a few times, if it also has decent bleed to go with it's pretty insane dmg I think you could be a menace to things up to 500kg. We haven't seen if it's pounce interacts in any way with large things like seen in it's concept art so the idea of it latching onto things like teno may have been scrapped
Ironically enough, the concept behind Mono’s planned mechanic is my favorite mechanic out of any currently in-game or planned carnivore. And I’m saying this as someone who plays almost only herbivores.
Here's the thing, active camouflage will most likely be implemented into the tisso strain, so adding it to anything else would take away one of that strain's core mechanics being special. I do think the sneezing is a little silly for mono, maybe special glands or something.
I had talked about Mono and Herrera in players' discord server in the past, and one-way mono could work is by leaving behind its stench snot onto herbivore food or carnivore food. Theoretically speaking this would be the best method of ensuring something walks in the "scent marker" which with migrations could actually be fairly easy. As for herrera paths are pretty used in gateway between players traversing the map and along with migrations depending on the migration zones it gets and what's on its diet could work. I honestly hope that certain dinosaurs get something similar to deinos water sense but almost as if they have keen vision and get signaled of small movements. Herrera could viably stalk and follow you from the trees without only having to go off of sight because I doubt its sense of smell and seeing tracks is viable in the trees.
I agree with the herra, In the herra concept art, it was shown to latch onto big things, tear off a chunk and then run off with it, like a tree climbing cookie cutter shark almost. This is a DOPE idea and would allow herra to have predatory interactions with the other rosters without it being silly for it to take down those dinos. However, they've either scrapped that idea or it "isn't implemented at launch" (can we PLEASE stop releasing dinos unfinished???), which is a HUGE shame.
This is how I see it, people love simple things like new skins, even if you think the mechanics assigned to new Dino's is pointless (we wont know until we play them), yet for many it's a new Dino to play, with what is in effect a very new "skin", I think people will just love the opportunity to play niche Dino's, also remember the game is a WIP so don't get too hung up on early announcements
Herrera's gameplay seems like it'll less about hunting and more about just being a sneaky scavenger. It may not be a strong dino, but its climbing abilities is the main point for playing it. I'm looking forward to climbing over cliffs & mountains instead of walking around them on Gateway, and also just laughing at the dinos who can only watch as I climb higher than they can ever reach. I also really like how chill herrera looks with the dangling leg while resting on a tree branch.
yo hes back edit: the fact that herrera would prob be coastal its not really that bad, if we think about it there is a tunnel that goes into the swamp and to be there you have to go trough a canyon where an herrera could lach and hide (i'm saying this cause a lot of people seem to go to the swamps and iirc thre is even a migration zone there) so that would include small dinos also. + yes the map is big, but i've seen more people on gateway than everywhere else on spiro (even at center) and the ''herrera tree'' are mostly near roads that players follow at night (i have a theory that herrera would be semi-nocturnal cause it has silent comunication where it troath glows in the dark and only other herreras can see that) personally i'm exited eve for mono (the devs will find smth that fits well with this dino), but not so much for raui ok after leaving this vrick of a comment i'm satisfied and glad to see new content soon ;)
A lot of the smaller carnivores have a much better match up against humans. Personally I do think monos ability to put down snot piles can be useful, it can allow you to track down and find other creatures even if they are playing stealthily. Plus it’s snot will probably be more of a combat ability, with the snot trap being more of a utility thing that occasionally will come in handy.
So, something I've learned through my time how -I- believe smaller carnos and herbivore can be viable. 1. Fast grow. As we see with Trodons, if you make a small dino grow fast, you can actually witness hoards of them appear like you'd expect. I've seen hoards so big adult stegos can be killed by them, and even being a part of these groups you see them devolve into acting like how you'd expect with these lil menaces. Talking gets shorter, callouts become 1-3 word question and statements. ("Stego." "Yeah" "Kill stego?" "Kill stego.") These quick short conversations scared these dinos being stalked, as they were hearing this hoard of stalkers all around they couldn't see, and these stalkers weren't too scared to be risky as they were short grow dinos. More smaller dinos should be like this. You want them to work in packs, make making a pack viable. 2. Cannibalism. Add things to discourage these smaller dinos from killing eachother. They are group dinos, much like humans, they should have bad mental effects hit them for killing another of their group. Like DayZ, having something to give them away as cannibals. 3. Threat of pain. Things like Old Pachy are a good show of this. Yeah, they were 2 hit kills for a carno, but they had the risk of taking a life threatening injury that can get them killed by something else. (Sadly the golden Carno Goose can't have threats for it or else the braindead players would have to think of how to fight.) I get it's not realistic for everything to stand a chance against everything. But it's a video game. The main point of a game is to have fun. If not everyone is having fun, it's not a good game.
Tbh i just want to play some Barry. As for coastal herra, i think Dondi was refering to those rocks and clifs that normally would be safe for pteras, but now Herra can hunt them. I may be wrong tho.
i think herra wil easily work especially with migration moving people around more. monos only hope imo is being the perfect juvi hunter, if it can just hit a juvi with the puke it can never get away from him maybe working like some kind of xray if mono uses scent( i think this is what his gameplay will be reduced to)
By lore, Herrera is a carnivore, who is overshadowed by the rest of the roaster (mainly because he is evolutionary behind the rest), so their climbing ability is an adaptation to ensure its survival. Like cats, they are small compared to most carnivores, but their climbing ability grants them an escape route since the rest of the predators can't do it, or they are not as fast doing it. Gameplay-wise, it's an ideal choice if you want a smaller dino (it's quicker to grow, needs less food to maintain, but still can hunt stuff) and you don't have a group (omni, dilo and troodon require a team to be successful hunters). It's gonna be a chill dino since you won't get constantly destroyed by others, who are in a big group or using a "better" dino. As for hunting: roaming around sanctuaries gonna be an effective way of catching hatchlings/juveniles, since they gonna look for that. So you don't necessarily need Hypsi or other small dinos to feed, other hatchlings gonna do just fine. Not a fair strategy, but neither is nature. And yes, there are many overlaps with the roaster, and I'm worried too about that, but we have to see what's gonna happen.
This is less of a problem with Herrera and more of an issue with roster bloat. The devs foolishly added 60+ playables many being mid tiers and having niche overlap. Like herrera at least has flyers to feed on and there is usually a decent amount of Pts on a map. Also correct me if i'm wrong but Herrera still has the meat chunk ripping mechanic. Which will allow it to survive even if it can't kill another player. Mono just suffers from being far to basic to do anything with without it being so far out there. Its the allo of small tiers. Being the basic white guy of all of them when it comes to physical build and most likely stats. Again this wouldn't be an issue if it didn't have to compete with 9 other carnis in the same niche of small tier hunter.
I said this under another comment, but i'll say it here too cause it seems relevant. I think Mono's snot mechanic has the potential to be quite useful. Not every ability necessarily has to directly assist you in a fight, so long as your stats can make up for it. I reckon that if Mono was capable of "Seeing" with its sense of smell then snot rocket mechanic is a good idea. Cause there can be a radius where Mono highlights things in yellow or something when it smells, and a green night vision like layer covers the screen. If the Mono snots something, then it could highlight that thing regardless of distance, so long as they're within maximum scent range.
I know it's been said that we can't take concept art as gospel, but in Herra's we see it pounce on a teno and run off with a piece of meat. I think if they add that mechanic Herra's viability could increase, for starters it sounds fun. But it also means that when Herra meets a larger animal while hungry it's not going to starve outright. If it can outrun the animal herra can keep it's hunger topped up or stave off starvation depending on the situation.
But with the whole small teir issue they need to just invest in larger Dino’s because of the appeal they have and try to differentiate them as much as possible.
Tbh the devs should have taken more inspiration from irl Herrera. Herrera irl was Utah's size (half a ton) and so size alone would make it more viable. Herrera is known as a scavenger in legacy, so why not build on it? I feel like the devs could give Herrera a bacterial bite similar to Cera's but with slightly different effects to make it different. You could also keep Herrera climbing if you like that. Herrera was the apex predator of the environment it lived in irl, and so this way Herrera could be the apex arboreal hunter in the game.
Something to consider with mono's sneeze. It could be a salt sneeze like a marine iguana rather than snot. Giving salt licks an actual use. Maybe it could also be used to communicate with other monos as well? E.g. sneeze on a tree which when smelled has different colours to mean some simple stuff, could be a smell for "apex nest" or stuff like that to warn other monos. My ultimate idea would be that monos are pair or trio hunters that eat large prey by dehydrating it to death with salt sneezes into the mouth of the target, or tracking down smaller dinos and humans with salt tags like in the concept art. Thughts on my ideas? (I know you will see this orni ur a 💎)
yea i was olsy thinking of marine iguanas! thats a cool idea with the dehydration, it just feels like it would take too long to kill something that way. the problem with mono (in my opinion) is its similar in size and a little in looks to the herrera. i think that rugops has the same issue where its basically a small carno. i would personally like it more if they gave those 2 slots to more interesting dinos
Thinking about what you said in this vid, and I think the Isle devs should mix both Mono and Herrera together. Make Herrera spit some sort of substance on the ground, the substance emits a random diet smell which lures a pray to the substance. The Herrera must wait near to pounce on the victime. only animals who figure on Herrera's diet would smell a diet from the substance.
I personally think that the mono problem can be fixed with few tweaks for the mucous. The snot could (for herbivores) smell like a diet, as a kind of weird hallucination smell thingy. This would make mono more efficient at hunting. You could also spray snot near a body to track predators that eat from the body. (Possibly bringing negative debuffs to whoever eats it, like diet going down. The only way to tell if a diet or body is a mono snot sludge would be two lines above the food, signifying it would be a trick. I think this combined with the mechanic of spraying at someone would make Mono viable. Some people may not agree with this and say something else and I'm all ears. I understand this would be hard to code, but at least it's something.
I think herrera is going to be just fine, since climbing trees is only one surface it will be able to climb. Highly doubt it won't be able to climb rocks, human structures, cliffs, and more. But gotta agree with mono although all we have is a concept art.
I'mma use Herrera mostly to torment humans once they're implemented, perfect class to keep them from progressing and dying isn't as frustrating. But I can understand your fear of its main ability being obsolete, especially when the community will find all the best hotspots to linger at that is void of trees and cliffs. But with Legacy being gone on the horizon that'll bring the rest of the player base together and hopefully make the servers/map feel full.
In my opinion, herra will work. Just instead of waiting on the tree for smaller/juvi dinos, it could possibly leave bait, or camp some roads that are popular, for example: It could kill a AI, or smaller dino, drag it to a area with tall trees and open terrain, and then drop down on any scavenger, juvi or animal that happens to be passing by or trying to eat. In short terms: It would work, You just need to have bait or camp popular areas or juvi spawns. I also think that it will not be just limited to small animals. Possibly, if it jumped from a tree that was tall enough, it could pin even a omni, galli or something of that size? But we'll find out.
I think it is more likely that mono will use it’s sent to stain allo and follow it to its kill, then sneak a quick bite when allo is done or not paying attention. For this mono needs to be able to eat very quickly or at the very least be able to rip off a large chunk of meat/bone and be able to carry it off. It would also be cool if the sneeze mechanic was able to temporarily blind dino’s like hypsi does, allowing it to escape. It would be even cooler if it could do this will running and do it while looking behind it but this could become OP or be used to grief.
I hope that snot, to juvi and small animals, smell like one of their diets so they will actually be enticed to go to the snot pile and that when an animal becomes larger it loses it's ability to smell it.
The isle devs need to put money into Dino’s people will actually play instead of the billion small teir that won’t be touched. Instead have 3-4 small carnies with mechanics and more small herbies with defense systems.
I think Herrera and mono will work just fine along with the other small tiers if done right. Some are spooked by this but I like the idea of mono playing out like a honey guide bird, using its sneeze smell to track larger herbivores while bigger carnivores take them down. I also don’t see much of anything wrong with Herrera, its got plenty of small tier options to hunt thatll get better as more are added, not to mention juvis, and supposedly packs of herreras can take on Omnis too. And don’t get me started on humans, herreras will be a bane to them. Many have also talked about rugops being a specialized human hunter, maybe it can have bullet resistance or able to gain more nutrients from humans.
Give mono a super sense of smell where it can smell further out than any other Dino and can tell the difference from a baby or adult that way it’s a baby killer. Also have it use that snot attack to highlight any predator or prey so either A you starve out a rex or any other Dino who got snotted on and have it stick out like a sore thumb to the server or B have a herbivore stand out from the crowd so a larger Dino kills it and you can scavenge the corpse after
Mono NEEDS something special about it. The thing about The Isle is that they expect people to play small-tier, weak herbs. So when people play small-tier carnis with unique hunting mechanics, they have nothing to do but scavenge and not being able to use their mechanics. Mono needs a camouflaging ability. For example: If you crouch and hit a button, like RBM, your mono starts to change its color (maybe texture but that's a little far-fetched) to match its environment and be able to walk silently. If not that, then Mono should be able to sniff not only the farthest but also be able to identify other players in a 75-meter radius. And it should be able to tell the player's age, gender, stats, and health. Let me know which of these is better. I feel like Herrara just needs something like bigger claws to scratch for example a Tenonto, but will get one or two shot if the Teno hits it. And maybe they could add fruits to some of the trees so that Herrar at least has a 50%-65% chance of a player kill. Oh, and also, i found out about this prehistoric island called the Ibero-Armorican Island. I am pretty fascinated, as it has my boy pyroraptor, variraraptor, potentially arcovenator, giant sauropods, small azhdarchids, and even a giant birby boi. Talk about the biggest bird.
ima copy and paste my suggestion from isle cord about mono "Im here to talk about Mono, its a good concept, but it won't work well. Mono's tracking ability is useless when you consider that it doesn't need to track any of its prey down because it can't kill anything bigger or the same size as itself and the small stuff wouldnt be worth tracking its shown using its snot as a detterant to things that it could easily out manuver and run away from which i find odd Its tracking will be used for things like cera groups, where, since they can run things down, mono will track, for instance, a teno, and then the ceras will follow the mono and kill the teno, providing food for both the mono and cera. This would create an unwanted symbiotic relationship. this is why i present a new concept for monos snot and that is preserving bodies, basically the mono could cover a body (nothing bigger then a teno) in snot with one of its charges and it would take around 3 minutes. this would allow it only other monos and creatures (like cerato mega and deino) that would be able to bypass the snot to eat the body and still get full nutreiants. also monos would be able to track the preserved bodies and see them on there screen when they sniff like gore in legacy other dinos could still eat the body but they would get less nutreints and food from it. that is all, thank you for reading my ted talk "
I just worry that the server size will be too small, with them saying they’ll add about 50 playables and don’t have any plans to extend server size past 100, that is too much diversity for me. I think a good size is 150 or 175
given the teno AI in gateway's horde testing servers and in the past footage of rex AI being worked on and carno AI, it seems like the devs want to create dinosaur NPCs for every playable. This would make the servers feel less empty, and fill the gaps so that carnivore players can still find their preferred food even if no one's playing as it. Not sure if this would be as good a solution than if they were to just raise the server count by a couple hundred slots, I suppose NPCs would be a lot less taxing on server memory than actual players would (because they could just despawn when they're out of range of any player.) but gameplay would feel more artificial. Especially on low population servers since almost every dinosaur would be npcs. On a somewhat unrelated note, all these Ai counterparts to the playable dinosaurs would be setting up for a pretty good single-player mode, especially if you were to play as a human monitoring the island.
I think herra is coastal because it’s supposed to climb cliffs and attack ptera nests, but I do think herra is gonna be jumping down on more humans than small dinosaurs when there on gateway
To increase viability for small to medium tier carnivores simply there need the same tier herbi and omnivores. Also more variety for the ai and dinos can be also ai and playable. Some similar sized creatures like Hypsi could give options for these carnivores to get some food. I personally on the side to make some dinos aswell ai so you can meet Hypsi, Dryo etc ais aswell to fill the missing gaps, also increasing the server capacities are necessary things to find enough player friend or foes.
The problem of smol tiers is kinda non existent when every single dinousar starts as a smol tier and finding juvis are not as hard or rare as one would think especially if your in the trees doing that stealthy stuff but i can see what you mean especially the when most players almost instinctively follow the paths through out the map that are perfect for a Herrera ambush especially if there is more than one Herrera. but there still is that feeling of overlap in the isle roster that originating for the problem that servers, as is are to small for the isle roster
I agree servers are much to small I feel like if 150 could be made possible and still run smoothly that would be almost perfect, I have been playing gateway and recently switched back to spiro because half of the migration zones I went to had nobody there, gateway also feels pretty empty when you are away from the "Popular" migration zones, I say popular because it really feels like players have a preferred area already, when I was playing gateway I would find myself almost always heading back to the one same spot. A lot of my issues probably come from migrations being quite buggy and unreliable at the moment aswell.
I would love if they added a jungle biome, but like.. Something more 'jungle' than tropical forest with the palms we already have. Little streams, trees with vines, mossy tree logs.. You know.
I am a bit disappointed by snot rocket Mono, but maybe the “sneeze” attack is useful for blinding prey it’s not an animal I wanna see cut from the roster overall tho they could easily just try to rework it into something more interesting (same goes for Rugops tho I think Rugops as of rn is pretty fine even if it’s not super in-depth) it’d be a shame to see it go
They actually adapted mono’s niche from community feedback, so it isn’t too much of a “couldn’t think of anything better” situation, i’m actually glad they took community feedback and turned it in to something. I don’t look forward to this ability being used by mix packs though lol. I hope they drop Raui and add Prestosuchus instead
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx for a long time, the community in the Isle official discord had opted for mono to be a master tracker due to its large nose. While it might seem at first that its ability could be difficult to use because of the size of the map, i don’t think it will be difficult at all to set snit traps. Players are heavily encouraged to use the roads in Gateway right now due to how many cliffs and mountains cover the map, mono can set traps at bridges and gates if he hears people coming. Mono can set the trap AFTER encountering a player by spraying it during an encounter, just like hypsi right now can just walk up to large animals and spit at them before making a getaway
For the herrasaurus i don't think it's gonna be forced to hunt small thing, you saw it litterally destroy in one hit a dryo and we know it can do the same to raptors. So just imagine having this guys cooperate, having 2, 3 or even 4 of them dropping on the same target. they could easly kill a teno this way.
I agree herra will probably not find and kill small tiers cause not many people play them but on gateway playing herra sitting in a tree close to the migration could be really good for you as i see many juvie herbivores go there and you might be able to pounce them but i could be wrong but hopefully.
I think you're seeming to forget about the additions of humans adding a whole new food item for a lot of these smaller guys. I can definitely see the issues with Mono at face value but we really don't know what exactly its mechanic is going to look like once its being made, and even if it is as straight forward as the concept shows, Gateway as a map has set up loads of very specific avenues meant for people to frequent so setting up scent trackers in an area may be the sort of gameplay Mono goes for. As for Herra i don't really see the issue here, i think you're thinking too much on the aspect of what it can kill as full grown dinos but it would be a perfect juvie hunter and potentially help cull certain overpopulations depending on the diet when the roster is fleshed out, staring at the apex juvies there. Overall though i tend to just wait and see, not everything is for everyone, just as some hate the slower gameplay of Deino and some the faster pace of Omni. more options usually isn't a bad thing, of course so long as it doesn't delay other more fleshed out/desired playables
The devs should make the player number for servers way higher than the current number, it could increase the amount of people on one servers obviously which would increase the chances of finding people for these hunting strategies to actually work
Whenever I'm playing a small species say dryo,trodon,hypsi the one thing I'm always making sure is to stay near the woods to hide if things go south now if they add this "I spit on you and follow" little fella aka Mono, i think that strategy would be useless. As for Herrera, obe can always hear a few random juveniles that just won't stop broadcasting so finding food to be honest doesn't sound to hard to find.
I believe herrerasaurus is being costal is to have something hunt pteranodon cretures that also can live on the coast are stuff like galli pachy hyspi and beipi i can imagine on herrerasaurus diet I imagine they will also have stuff in more forest area on there diet
I think you are overthinking when it comes to Herra. The devs has been tracking players without them knowing that they are watching you, and they have been attacking them as Herra. and if im not mistaken, 1 of the devs said a Herra can almost kill an Omni by dropping on it. Herra like many others do have migration zones to home in on their "prey" dinos
3 things. 1. Raisuchus has been gutted from the roster (confirmed by Phillipe) so that’s one less small tier. 2 herra (for its size) will hit like a semi-truck with claims of a full force… pounce? Leap? What would you call that ability? Anyway, a full force pounce nearly killing an omniraptor. 3. At least mono has some bulk on it’s side when it gets into a sticky situation (but yeah the whole sneeze idea is dumb). A way I can see mono being reworked is if it adopts a more bully style of gameplay where it can still be good at tracking but can be fended off quite easily by players who know what they’re doing (or you know a carno shows up)
When updates are out either officials or poutines server(petit pieds). But during this stress test eu servers or the na servers. Ask me again when the updates officially out and I’ll give you a proper answer🙏🏼
Yo Orni good to see another upload! I think you’re arguments are pretty sound, there’s too many small tier carnis and not enough herbies, I mean teno (so far) is the only mid(ish) tier herbie, it’s basically the hamburger of the map 😂 But besides that, how have you been?
@@acronym6837I played omni and I hate the stamina changes for it. I ran away from a cera and I had to z walk away to gain stam whilst getting chased down.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx honestly I kinda like the stam changes, I just think a few things need to be tweaked like getting just a little stam wile trotting, and food+water drain is slower across the board, that’s really it for me(and ofc some balance things but when is the balance not broken)
1:53 i feel like the sneeze it ok but i wish it did a different thing like maybe it preforms like JP dilo but in monos case it would be some sort of glue like substance that can blind and slow the target on contact
If Mono snots someones head then I think blinding that thing temporarily would be a useful attribute to the mechanic. Another method that I mentioned under other comments is a sort of ability to "See" with scenting. Something like a yellow highlight over ever dino model within a radius around the Mono player, and a kind of green night vision like screen layer. And if something is snotted then the Mono could smell and highlight them from any distance so long as its within max scent range.
The main thing that kept me still playing herra in legacy was its speed. It didnt matter to me about its very weak nature. Its scavenger gameplay was fun because i was able to run around quickly enough for food to not be a problem (the only issue was that herra was barely even hungry enough lol) . Climing treess is going to be the cherry on top for me. Only problem is that they are definitely nerfing its speed lol since its speed was more of a accident in legacy. Secondly COASTAL?? u give it a tree climbing ability and you send ot to a place where theors not many trees?!?
Im calling it, as with galli, herrera wont have everything show in the concept art, im sure it wont get the ability to take chunks of meat out of alive dinos at release
I actually really want raui, it’s just such a unique build and animal compared to the rest of the roster that I feel like discarding it would be a waste. If I had to come up with a play-style, I’d make it equivalent to a jaguar or tiger. Stalking prey, switching from bided to quadruped for fast movement and being a great swimmer.
It'll be fine :) the more dinos we get, the better! Actually, scrap that, the more dinos we get the longer it will take for my boy Big Al to be re-introduced. Nah, I strongly believe adding more and more dinos is a good thing. Especially ones with unique mechanics and/or playstyles. However, to be honest I'm getting pretty tired of only playing and seeing these tiny dinosaurs. Time to introduce some true mid-tiers and after that apexes. Luckily we are getting dibble, maia, trike and rex soon. Too bad trike and rex won't play a very big role in the beginning though.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx haha for sure. Less creatures in this game is a huge bonus. I liked rauisuchus, but we can't get every single creature that looks cool
well tbh i see where your coming from with them but here is the thing right it will be op tbh so i see where your coming from but at the same time that means every deino in the water you can just use the snot ability on them and maybe it will blind them or they will keep it and the snot will make every dino in the game either worse or just scared cause a deino will run for there life wen seeing it do to if it gets snot on it they are dead cause everything will come and its ggs so you already know its over
but...mono doesn't have to use its spit for just traps...who says that during its hunt it cant blind its prey with snot and even if the prey does get away its still now easily trackable threw the snot
honeslty this isint an issue with only small tiers mid tiers too get affect by this like alberto and allo you pointed out in a different video same thing but alberto is better from what we heard from the devs what it feels like the devs are doing is just cramming the dinos that are convinient for gameplay with humans and dont even worry if people are actually going to play them feels like they cant see their own game and what they are making sometimes
I play Herrera a lot. If I camp up on a popular trekking spot between migrations, chances are I will starve OR dehydrate before anything even SHOWS UP let alone something I can hunt, let alone one that gets within pouncing range. Even if the server is max capacity, the truth of the matter is, Herrera, with all of its DIRE stamina and swimming problems, has to eat something that is curiously not even in its diet: the schooling fish.
The worst part is the abysmal walking and trotting speed, and tiny stamina pool, it seems devs wanted Herrera to have a small range and it shows. By the time you regen your stamina pool, half of your food and water are gone. One has to be incredibly patient just holding W and moving from migration to migration, as any meaningful amount of running will necessitate a starve-rest state before you can hunt.@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx
I don't understand how you can see the issues with these playables but can't see the issues with oviraptor. It's going to be weaker than herrera and mono while also having a more difficult diet. How often do you find eggs to steal? Almost never. Yeah its omnivorous but if you wanted that you could just play galli which is faster, stronger, and basically better in every way. Ovi is currently the worst small tier and needs more mechanics to work. Actually I lied oro and homalo are probably the worst but ovi isn't that far off.
i agree mono's snot ability was a horrible choice, i hope mono doesn't get overshadowed cuz it's a really cool dinosaur. the herrera problem i can see happening on gateway, such a large map will make it hard for herrera players to hunt plus once rex comes out aint noone gonna be playing stuff like dryo. also raui was confirmed to be scrapped
Remove mono, velo, rugops, and postosuchus. We don’t need so many fucking dinosaurs when we have much more interesting dinosaurs to play like a Velo with venom (troodon), a tree climber and a semi Aquatic raptor.
I see the issue with Monolophosaurus, its going to struggle so rather than making it able to track stuff in its mucus, it should be able to track everything and have the best nose in the entire game, from being able to sniff out nests, burrows, vomit, mucus, footsteps, forage able areas and so on and make it heavily reliant on its scent then that'd make it more unique.
With Herrerasaurus, I don't see there being any issues other than the fact it will be around coasts, not until they are properly improved.
If anything Rugops would struggle moreover than Herrera, but to make Rugops somewhat viable is to make it one of the hardest animals to track, we know it has a low crouch and can hide well but why not make it impossible to track its steps and yet have amazing agility and speed for its size.
I dont have much to say on the others at the moment.
I do want to ask about Mono though, cause that method is exactly like Giga.
I think it would be very fun to "See" with your scent. Something like Night Vision, but it happens when you smell.
The effect could be like a highlight? Everything within a radius is highlighted yellow or something when sniffing, and a layer similar to green nightvision technology overlays the camera.
The snot can still be a thing even. If somebody is snotted then they get highlighted regardless of distance so long as they are in your maximum scent range.
Something like that
mono mixpackers dream
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The fic of '87
Surviving that shit is like surviving rabies
I think Mono will be used as a tracking dog for larger carnivores, like it may lead a allo to a group of nesting maias in order to get a free meal or something like that.
the devs dont like mixpacking so probably not
so, mix packing? this is the same thing as a ptera scouting for other carnivores
mixpacking, ah hell nah
Mixpacking? No
You know what, I think that could work if done properly. Similar to how Ptera's sometimes work with other carni's to track food down, or like crows with wolves. My idea is that Mono's could be like Blood Hounds/sharks, but they don't have good eyesight, similar to Rhinos or bats. Stuff might be kinda blurry for them if something is too far away to see. If it's going to be the weird sneezing hunter, might as well make it more reliant on its ability to smell. :3 Plus, maybe it could have a cool new sniffing overlay that makes all footprints visible with little bright light beacons, make their sense of smell on pare with Cerato's or better. They could also be great hunters at night. Maybe Dino's could have a soft pulsing glow at night when they sniff? Mono and Dilo would be the Night Kings.
Even if herra cant hunt from the trees the way they showed, it can still atleast ambush juvies or small tiers by just dropping and chasing them. and if it can't do that and it'll just scavenge it won't matter since the charm of herra is the climbing mechanic itself
Mono snot vs humans sounds potentially incredibly strong tbh- lay the snot tracker mine in compounds, doorways etc and you're off to the races. Herrera vs humans sounds also like a favourible matchup to the dinosaur. But herrera at launch is probably going to be a bit rough
I think that one idea for herra being able to attack mid to big-mid sized herbivores is that they would pounce on their back and start to bite the prey but you have to balance it with the A and D keys to avoid the herra being thrown off the herbivore.
I think herrera can be viable in the planned sanctuary regions, which are planned to be small tier and juvie exklusive
I feel like Herrera should do more damage when it’s attacking from the trees so that it can hunt slightly larger game. Herrera s should be the lynx of the isle and what i mean is that lynx can sometimes take down deer even though deer are larger that it so Herrera should be able to do the same thing but only if it’s able to attack from a tree
Herra will almost undoubtedly be viable everywhere. The ability to climb and completely avoid significant danger is very very useful.
Even if Mono has incentive to hang around coasts, like i heard from somewhere else, Herra will still absolutely be able to survive everywhere else it wants to. Climbing is just that good
@@thandizungu2082t does a lot of damage from the trees, I'm sure It can one shot galli
The Mono snot-mine sounds like a really versatile hunting tool. Having a dedicated tracking ability would be particularly beneficial in dense vegetation, where visual tracking might be challenging. It'll probably have better scent capabilities than the other low tier carnis too. Also, the ability to aim this at predators and prey to disorientate would be huge in gaining the upper hand in encounters.
They should make Mono's snot come up on peoples scent vision as food or something to draw in dinos so you could sort of set up traps.
I'd be worried for herrera if gateway didn't have migration spots, so many cliffs and roads which are used pretty commonly. Also looking at the clips we got of hererra you can stun things around 450kg and you deal over 120 dmg per pounce. In the jungle you could reliably drop onto an omni stun it bite it once then scurry up a tree and repeat it a few times, if it also has decent bleed to go with it's pretty insane dmg I think you could be a menace to things up to 500kg. We haven't seen if it's pounce interacts in any way with large things like seen in it's concept art so the idea of it latching onto things like teno may have been scrapped
Ironically enough, the concept behind Mono’s planned mechanic is my favorite mechanic out of any currently in-game or planned carnivore. And I’m saying this as someone who plays almost only herbivores.
Genuinely based.
Here's the thing, active camouflage will most likely be implemented into the tisso strain, so adding it to anything else would take away one of that strain's core mechanics being special. I do think the sneezing is a little silly for mono, maybe special glands or something.
I like that Herrerasaurus’ behavior was canonically mutated throughout each generation that was bred and engineered
(And they’re super camera shy lol)
I had talked about Mono and Herrera in players' discord server in the past, and one-way mono could work is by leaving behind its stench snot onto herbivore food or carnivore food. Theoretically speaking this would be the best method of ensuring something walks in the "scent marker" which with migrations could actually be fairly easy. As for herrera paths are pretty used in gateway between players traversing the map and along with migrations depending on the migration zones it gets and what's on its diet could work. I honestly hope that certain dinosaurs get something similar to deinos water sense but almost as if they have keen vision and get signaled of small movements. Herrera could viably stalk and follow you from the trees without only having to go off of sight because I doubt its sense of smell and seeing tracks is viable in the trees.
I agree with the herra, In the herra concept art, it was shown to latch onto big things, tear off a chunk and then run off with it, like a tree climbing cookie cutter shark almost. This is a DOPE idea and would allow herra to have predatory interactions with the other rosters without it being silly for it to take down those dinos. However, they've either scrapped that idea or it "isn't implemented at launch" (can we PLEASE stop releasing dinos unfinished???), which is a HUGE shame.
This is how I see it, people love simple things like new skins, even if you think the mechanics assigned to new Dino's is pointless (we wont know until we play them), yet for many it's a new Dino to play, with what is in effect a very new "skin", I think people will just love the opportunity to play niche Dino's, also remember the game is a WIP so don't get too hung up on early announcements
Herrera's gameplay seems like it'll less about hunting and more about just being a sneaky scavenger. It may not be a strong dino, but its climbing abilities is the main point for playing it.
I'm looking forward to climbing over cliffs & mountains instead of walking around them on Gateway, and also just laughing at the dinos who can only watch as I climb higher than they can ever reach. I also really like how chill herrera looks with the dangling leg while resting on a tree branch.
yo hes back
edit: the fact that herrera would prob be coastal its not really that bad, if we think about it there is a tunnel that goes into the swamp and to be there you have to go trough a canyon where an herrera could lach and hide (i'm saying this cause a lot of people seem to go to the swamps and iirc thre is even a migration zone there) so that would include small dinos also.
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yes the map is big, but i've seen more people on gateway than everywhere else on spiro (even at center)
and the ''herrera tree'' are mostly near roads that players follow at night (i have a theory that herrera would be semi-nocturnal cause it has silent comunication where it troath glows in the dark and only other herreras can see that)
personally i'm exited eve for mono (the devs will find smth that fits well with this dino), but not so much for raui
ok after leaving this vrick of a comment i'm satisfied and glad to see new content soon ;)
Im going to be cooking so hard.
raisuchus is no longer planned for the roster ( i think)
correct
Thats imo good, because the devs can then put more effort into the development of more unique other spezies
Oh I didn’t know that thank you💎
A lot of the smaller carnivores have a much better match up against humans. Personally I do think monos ability to put down snot piles can be useful, it can allow you to track down and find other creatures even if they are playing stealthily. Plus it’s snot will probably be more of a combat ability, with the snot trap being more of a utility thing that occasionally will come in handy.
So, something I've learned through my time how -I- believe smaller carnos and herbivore can be viable.
1. Fast grow. As we see with Trodons, if you make a small dino grow fast, you can actually witness hoards of them appear like you'd expect. I've seen hoards so big adult stegos can be killed by them, and even being a part of these groups you see them devolve into acting like how you'd expect with these lil menaces. Talking gets shorter, callouts become 1-3 word question and statements. ("Stego." "Yeah" "Kill stego?" "Kill stego.") These quick short conversations scared these dinos being stalked, as they were hearing this hoard of stalkers all around they couldn't see, and these stalkers weren't too scared to be risky as they were short grow dinos. More smaller dinos should be like this. You want them to work in packs, make making a pack viable.
2. Cannibalism. Add things to discourage these smaller dinos from killing eachother. They are group dinos, much like humans, they should have bad mental effects hit them for killing another of their group. Like DayZ, having something to give them away as cannibals.
3. Threat of pain. Things like Old Pachy are a good show of this. Yeah, they were 2 hit kills for a carno, but they had the risk of taking a life threatening injury that can get them killed by something else. (Sadly the golden Carno Goose can't have threats for it or else the braindead players would have to think of how to fight.)
I get it's not realistic for everything to stand a chance against everything. But it's a video game. The main point of a game is to have fun. If not everyone is having fun, it's not a good game.
Tbh i just want to play some Barry. As for coastal herra, i think Dondi was refering to those rocks and clifs that normally would be safe for pteras, but now Herra can hunt them. I may be wrong tho.
Instead of sneezing it should dribble on food sources and anything that eats those things can be tracked and gets a slight debuff from the saliva
i think herra wil easily work especially with migration moving people around more. monos only hope imo is being the perfect juvi hunter, if it can just hit a juvi with the puke it can never get away from him maybe working like some kind of xray if mono uses scent( i think this is what his gameplay will be reduced to)
I wouldn't worry too much, because mono has a long way until it'll be added.
By lore, Herrera is a carnivore, who is overshadowed by the rest of the roaster (mainly because he is evolutionary behind the rest), so their climbing ability is an adaptation to ensure its survival. Like cats, they are small compared to most carnivores, but their climbing ability grants them an escape route since the rest of the predators can't do it, or they are not as fast doing it.
Gameplay-wise, it's an ideal choice if you want a smaller dino (it's quicker to grow, needs less food to maintain, but still can hunt stuff) and you don't have a group (omni, dilo and troodon require a team to be successful hunters). It's gonna be a chill dino since you won't get constantly destroyed by others, who are in a big group or using a "better" dino.
As for hunting: roaming around sanctuaries gonna be an effective way of catching hatchlings/juveniles, since they gonna look for that. So you don't necessarily need Hypsi or other small dinos to feed, other hatchlings gonna do just fine. Not a fair strategy, but neither is nature.
And yes, there are many overlaps with the roaster, and I'm worried too about that, but we have to see what's gonna happen.
This is less of a problem with Herrera and more of an issue with roster bloat. The devs foolishly added 60+ playables many being mid tiers and having niche overlap. Like herrera at least has flyers to feed on and there is usually a decent amount of Pts on a map. Also correct me if i'm wrong but Herrera still has the meat chunk ripping mechanic. Which will allow it to survive even if it can't kill another player. Mono just suffers from being far to basic to do anything with without it being so far out there. Its the allo of small tiers. Being the basic white guy of all of them when it comes to physical build and most likely stats. Again this wouldn't be an issue if it didn't have to compete with 9 other carnis in the same niche of small tier hunter.
Great point. Herra is getting the ripping meat mechanic? Nice.
I said this under another comment, but i'll say it here too cause it seems relevant.
I think Mono's snot mechanic has the potential to be quite useful. Not every ability necessarily has to directly assist you in a fight, so long as your stats can make up for it.
I reckon that if Mono was capable of "Seeing" with its sense of smell then snot rocket mechanic is a good idea. Cause there can be a radius where Mono highlights things in yellow or something when it smells, and a green night vision like layer covers the screen.
If the Mono snots something, then it could highlight that thing regardless of distance, so long as they're within maximum scent range.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx That hasn't been confirmed and IMO unlikely.
I know it's been said that we can't take concept art as gospel, but in Herra's we see it pounce on a teno and run off with a piece of meat.
I think if they add that mechanic Herra's viability could increase, for starters it sounds fun. But it also means that when Herra meets a larger animal while hungry it's not going to starve outright. If it can outrun the animal herra can keep it's hunger topped up or stave off starvation depending on the situation.
But with the whole small teir issue they need to just invest in larger Dino’s because of the appeal they have and try to differentiate them as much as possible.
Tbh the devs should have taken more inspiration from irl Herrera. Herrera irl was Utah's size (half a ton) and so size alone would make it more viable. Herrera is known as a scavenger in legacy, so why not build on it? I feel like the devs could give Herrera a bacterial bite similar to Cera's but with slightly different effects to make it different. You could also keep Herrera climbing if you like that. Herrera was the apex predator of the environment it lived in irl, and so this way Herrera could be the apex arboreal hunter in the game.
Something to consider with mono's sneeze. It could be a salt sneeze like a marine iguana rather than snot. Giving salt licks an actual use.
Maybe it could also be used to communicate with other monos as well? E.g. sneeze on a tree which when smelled has different colours to mean some simple stuff, could be a smell for "apex nest" or stuff like that to warn other monos.
My ultimate idea would be that monos are pair or trio hunters that eat large prey by dehydrating it to death with salt sneezes into the mouth of the target, or tracking down smaller dinos and humans with salt tags like in the concept art.
Thughts on my ideas?
(I know you will see this orni ur a 💎)
yea i was olsy thinking of marine iguanas! thats a cool idea with the dehydration, it just feels like it would take too long to kill something that way. the problem with mono (in my opinion) is its similar in size and a little in looks to the herrera. i think that rugops has the same issue where its basically a small carno. i would personally like it more if they gave those 2 slots to more interesting dinos
@zephyrblade7686 the salt sneeze would make water go down very fast and make dehydration do enough damage to make it viable but not op
Your idea is interesting I’ll say that.
And maybe you will need to lick salt rocks to recharge salt sneeze
@@Synchrone8 exactly my thinking!
Thinking about what you said in this vid, and I think the Isle devs should mix both Mono and Herrera together. Make Herrera spit some sort of substance on the ground, the substance emits a random diet smell which lures a pray to the substance. The Herrera must wait near to pounce on the victime. only animals who figure on Herrera's diet would smell a diet from the substance.
I personally think that the mono problem can be fixed with few tweaks for the mucous. The snot could (for herbivores) smell like a diet, as a kind of weird hallucination smell thingy. This would make mono more efficient at hunting. You could also spray snot near a body to track predators that eat from the body. (Possibly bringing negative debuffs to whoever eats it, like diet going down.
The only way to tell if a diet or body is a mono snot sludge would be two lines above the food, signifying it would be a trick.
I think this combined with the mechanic of spraying at someone would make Mono viable.
Some people may not agree with this and say something else and I'm all ears. I understand this would be hard to code, but at least it's something.
I think herrera is going to be just fine, since climbing trees is only one surface it will be able to climb. Highly doubt it won't be able to climb rocks, human structures, cliffs, and more. But gotta agree with mono although all we have is a concept art.
I'mma use Herrera mostly to torment humans once they're implemented, perfect class to keep them from progressing and dying isn't as frustrating.
But I can understand your fear of its main ability being obsolete, especially when the community will find all the best hotspots to linger at that is void of trees and cliffs. But with Legacy being gone on the horizon that'll bring the rest of the player base together and hopefully make the servers/map feel full.
In my opinion, herra will work. Just instead of waiting on the tree for smaller/juvi dinos, it could possibly leave bait, or camp some roads that are popular, for example: It could kill a AI, or smaller dino, drag it to a area with tall trees and open terrain, and then drop down on any scavenger, juvi or animal that happens to be passing by or trying to eat. In short terms: It would work, You just need to have bait or camp popular areas or juvi spawns. I also think that it will not be just limited to small animals. Possibly, if it jumped from a tree that was tall enough, it could pin even a omni, galli or something of that size? But we'll find out.
I think it is more likely that mono will use it’s sent to stain allo and follow it to its kill, then sneak a quick bite when allo is done or not paying attention. For this mono needs to be able to eat very quickly or at the very least be able to rip off a large chunk of meat/bone and be able to carry it off. It would also be cool if the sneeze mechanic was able to temporarily blind dino’s like hypsi does, allowing it to escape. It would be even cooler if it could do this will running and do it while looking behind it but this could become OP or be used to grief.
Thai is an interesting idea tbh
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I hope that snot, to juvi and small animals, smell like one of their diets so they will actually be enticed to go to the snot pile and that when an animal becomes larger it loses it's ability to smell it.
The isle devs need to put money into Dino’s people will actually play instead of the billion small teir that won’t be touched. Instead have 3-4 small carnies with mechanics and more small herbies with defense systems.
I think Herrera and mono will work just fine along with the other small tiers if done right.
Some are spooked by this but I like the idea of mono playing out like a honey guide bird, using its sneeze smell to track larger herbivores while bigger carnivores take them down.
I also don’t see much of anything wrong with Herrera, its got plenty of small tier options to hunt thatll get better as more are added, not to mention juvis, and supposedly packs of herreras can take on Omnis too. And don’t get me started on humans, herreras will be a bane to them.
Many have also talked about rugops being a specialized human hunter, maybe it can have bullet resistance or able to gain more nutrients from humans.
Give mono a super sense of smell where it can smell further out than any other Dino and can tell the difference from a baby or adult that way it’s a baby killer. Also have it use that snot attack to highlight any predator or prey so either A you starve out a rex or any other Dino who got snotted on and have it stick out like a sore thumb to the server or B have a herbivore stand out from the crowd so a larger Dino kills it and you can scavenge the corpse after
Couldn't agree more with you statements. I've had these thoughts myself several times.
Mono NEEDS something special about it. The thing about The Isle is that they expect people to play small-tier, weak herbs. So when people play small-tier carnis with unique hunting mechanics, they have nothing to do but scavenge and not being able to use their mechanics. Mono needs a camouflaging ability. For example: If you crouch and hit a button, like RBM, your mono starts to change its color (maybe texture but that's a little far-fetched) to match its environment and be able to walk silently. If not that, then Mono should be able to sniff not only the farthest but also be able to identify other players in a 75-meter radius. And it should be able to tell the player's age, gender, stats, and health. Let me know which of these is better. I feel like Herrara just needs something like bigger claws to scratch for example a Tenonto, but will get one or two shot if the Teno hits it. And maybe they could add fruits to some of the trees so that Herrar at least has a 50%-65% chance of a player kill. Oh, and also, i found out about this prehistoric island called the Ibero-Armorican Island. I am pretty fascinated, as it has my boy pyroraptor, variraraptor, potentially arcovenator, giant sauropods, small azhdarchids, and even a giant birby boi. Talk about the biggest bird.
ima copy and paste my suggestion from isle cord about mono "Im here to talk about Mono, its a good concept, but it won't work well. Mono's tracking ability is useless when you consider that it doesn't need to track any of its prey down because it can't kill anything bigger or the same size as itself and the small stuff wouldnt be worth tracking
its shown using its snot as a detterant to things that it could easily out manuver and run away from which i find odd
Its tracking will be used for things like cera groups, where, since they can run things down, mono will track, for instance, a teno, and then the ceras will follow the mono and kill the teno, providing food for both the mono and cera. This would create an unwanted symbiotic relationship.
this is why i present a new concept for monos snot and that is preserving bodies, basically the mono could cover a body (nothing bigger then a teno) in snot with one of its charges and it would take around 3 minutes. this would allow it only other monos and creatures (like cerato mega and deino) that would be able to bypass the snot to eat the body and still get full nutreiants.
also monos would be able to track the preserved bodies and see them on there screen when they sniff like gore in legacy
other dinos could still eat the body but they would get less nutreints and food from it.
that is all, thank you for reading my ted talk "
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I just worry that the server size will be too small, with them saying they’ll add about 50 playables and don’t have any plans to extend server size past 100, that is too much diversity for me. I think a good size is 150 or 175
Near 200 would be good
given the teno AI in gateway's horde testing servers and in the past footage of rex AI being worked on and carno AI, it seems like the devs want to create dinosaur NPCs for every playable. This would make the servers feel less empty, and fill the gaps so that carnivore players can still find their preferred food even if no one's playing as it. Not sure if this would be as good a solution than if they were to just raise the server count by a couple hundred slots, I suppose NPCs would be a lot less taxing on server memory than actual players would (because they could just despawn when they're out of range of any player.) but gameplay would feel more artificial. Especially on low population servers since almost every dinosaur would be npcs.
On a somewhat unrelated note, all these Ai counterparts to the playable dinosaurs would be setting up for a pretty good single-player mode, especially if you were to play as a human monitoring the island.
I think herra is coastal because it’s supposed to climb cliffs and attack ptera nests, but I do think herra is gonna be jumping down on more humans than small dinosaurs when there on gateway
To increase viability for small to medium tier carnivores simply there need the same tier herbi and omnivores. Also more variety for the ai and dinos can be also ai and playable. Some similar sized creatures like Hypsi could give options for these carnivores to get some food. I personally on the side to make some dinos aswell ai so you can meet Hypsi, Dryo etc ais aswell to fill the missing gaps, also increasing the server capacities are necessary things to find enough player friend or foes.
The problem of smol tiers is kinda non existent when every single dinousar starts as a smol tier and finding juvis are not as hard or rare as one would think especially if your in the trees doing that stealthy stuff but i can see what you mean especially the when most players almost instinctively follow the paths through out the map that are perfect for a Herrera ambush especially if there is more than one Herrera. but there still is that feeling of overlap in the isle roster that originating for the problem that servers, as is are to small for the isle roster
I agree servers are much to small I feel like if 150 could be made possible and still run smoothly that would be almost perfect, I have been playing gateway and recently switched back to spiro because half of the migration zones I went to had nobody there, gateway also feels pretty empty when you are away from the "Popular" migration zones, I say popular because it really feels like players have a preferred area already, when I was playing gateway I would find myself almost always heading back to the one same spot. A lot of my issues probably come from migrations being quite buggy and unreliable at the moment aswell.
Maybe mono could but snot around a big area that things can walk through like a huge circle
orniothomimus moment
Mono blinds dinosaurs by shooting snot in their eyes, not mouth. I have tried this irl, it works quite well
Mono should be like the small tier hyena since we already have cerato it should be similar in some ways
as a mono enjoyer they did mono dirty
I would love if they added a jungle biome, but like.. Something more 'jungle' than tropical forest with the palms we already have. Little streams, trees with vines, mossy tree logs.. You know.
You see the vision
Make rugops able to Camouflage like lost world carno, and mono sneeze paralysis its victims.
I am a bit disappointed by snot rocket Mono, but maybe the “sneeze” attack is useful for blinding prey it’s not an animal I wanna see cut from the roster overall tho they could easily just try to rework it into something more interesting (same goes for Rugops tho I think Rugops as of rn is pretty fine even if it’s not super in-depth) it’d be a shame to see it go
orni: Herra won't be viable
also orni: oviraptor is literally god
fact of life
They actually adapted mono’s niche from community feedback, so it isn’t too much of a “couldn’t think of anything better” situation, i’m actually glad they took community feedback and turned it in to something. I don’t look forward to this ability being used by mix packs though lol.
I hope they drop Raui and add Prestosuchus instead
The community suggested this?😟
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx for a long time, the community in the Isle official discord had opted for mono to be a master tracker due to its large nose. While it might seem at first that its ability could be difficult to use because of the size of the map, i don’t think it will be difficult at all to set snit traps. Players are heavily encouraged to use the roads in Gateway right now due to how many cliffs and mountains cover the map, mono can set traps at bridges and gates if he hears people coming. Mono can set the trap AFTER encountering a player by spraying it during an encounter, just like hypsi right now can just walk up to large animals and spit at them before making a getaway
@@somerandomperson6511true,but I’m still a tad sceptical
I would say give mono sonar that works very effectively at night the sonar is a large distance maybe 30meters?
For the herrasaurus i don't think it's gonna be forced to hunt small thing, you saw it litterally destroy in one hit a dryo and we know it can do the same to raptors. So just imagine having this guys cooperate, having 2, 3 or even 4 of them dropping on the same target. they could easly kill a teno this way.
I agree herra will probably not find and kill small tiers cause not many people play them but on gateway playing herra sitting in a tree close to the migration could be really good for you as i see many juvie herbivores go there and you might be able to pounce them but i could be wrong but hopefully.
Sanctuaries will stop that. And I doubt grown herra will be allowed inside.
Damn thats so true never thought of that@@akanlian
i think the thing is, they should have made the seeze acidic, and would work as a long ranged attack, or you could use it as a trap
I think you're seeming to forget about the additions of humans adding a whole new food item for a lot of these smaller guys.
I can definitely see the issues with Mono at face value but we really don't know what exactly its mechanic is going to look like once its being made, and even if it is as straight forward as the concept shows, Gateway as a map has set up loads of very specific avenues meant for people to frequent so setting up scent trackers in an area may be the sort of gameplay Mono goes for.
As for Herra i don't really see the issue here, i think you're thinking too much on the aspect of what it can kill as full grown dinos but it would be a perfect juvie hunter and potentially help cull certain overpopulations depending on the diet when the roster is fleshed out, staring at the apex juvies there.
Overall though i tend to just wait and see, not everything is for everyone, just as some hate the slower gameplay of Deino and some the faster pace of Omni. more options usually isn't a bad thing, of course so long as it doesn't delay other more fleshed out/desired playables
I legitimately was watching one of Ornis videos when this came out
You gem
The devs should make the player number for servers way higher than the current number, it could increase the amount of people on one servers obviously which would increase the chances of finding people for these hunting strategies to actually work
Whenever I'm playing a small species say dryo,trodon,hypsi the one thing I'm always making sure is to stay near the woods to hide if things go south now if they add this "I spit on you and follow" little fella aka Mono, i think that strategy would be useless.
As for Herrera, obe can always hear a few random juveniles that just won't stop broadcasting so finding food to be honest doesn't sound to hard to find.
id be down for wolverine mono, just hyper aggressive and being able to munch on everything
That just sounds like small tier cerato without the bile ability to back it up
I believe herrerasaurus is being costal is to have something hunt pteranodon cretures that also can live on the coast are stuff like galli pachy hyspi and beipi i can imagine on herrerasaurus diet I imagine they will also have stuff in more forest area on there diet
“Only once in a blue moon”
Google: blue moons are common
Honestly, I cant get exited for anything rn, because i think the game is at a crossroad.
Writing the comment for the algorithm, have a nice day. 🙂
I think you are overthinking when it comes to Herra. The devs has been tracking players without them knowing that they are watching you, and they have been attacking them as Herra. and if im not mistaken, 1 of the devs said a Herra can almost kill an Omni by dropping on it.
Herra like many others do have migration zones to home in on their "prey" dinos
3 things. 1. Raisuchus has been gutted from the roster (confirmed by Phillipe) so that’s one less small tier. 2 herra (for its size) will hit like a semi-truck with claims of a full force… pounce? Leap? What would you call that ability? Anyway, a full force pounce nearly killing an omniraptor. 3. At least mono has some bulk on it’s side when it gets into a sticky situation (but yeah the whole sneeze idea is dumb). A way I can see mono being reworked is if it adopts a more bully style of gameplay where it can still be good at tracking but can be fended off quite easily by players who know what they’re doing (or you know a carno shows up)
cerato's already the corpse-bully of the roster.
What servers do you main. Love the stuff, keep up the good work!
When updates are out either officials or poutines server(petit pieds). But during this stress test eu servers or the na servers. Ask me again when the updates officially out and I’ll give you a proper answer🙏🏼
Yo Orni good to see another upload! I think you’re arguments are pretty sound, there’s too many small tier carnis and not enough herbies, I mean teno (so far) is the only mid(ish) tier herbie, it’s basically the hamburger of the map 😂
But besides that, how have you been?
So far this month I’ve been good. Uni and work can be a pain. But it’s alright. How have you been my boy?
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyxpretty good, nothing much irl but omni on stress test is interesting, I love and hate the stam changes tbh 😂
@@acronym6837I played omni and I hate the stamina changes for it. I ran away from a cera and I had to z walk away to gain stam whilst getting chased down.
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx honestly I kinda like the stam changes, I just think a few things need to be tweaked like getting just a little stam wile trotting, and food+water drain is slower across the board, that’s really it for me(and ofc some balance things but when is the balance not broken)
Only just got back into followng this games development I thought Mono was scrapped a while ago
1:53 i feel like the sneeze it ok but i wish it did a different thing like maybe it preforms like JP dilo but in monos case it would be some sort of glue like substance that can blind and slow the target on contact
If Mono snots someones head then I think blinding that thing temporarily would be a useful attribute to the mechanic.
Another method that I mentioned under other comments is a sort of ability to "See" with scenting.
Something like a yellow highlight over ever dino model within a radius around the Mono player, and a kind of green night vision like screen layer. And if something is snotted then the Mono could smell and highlight them from any distance so long as its within max scent range.
The main thing that kept me still playing herra in legacy was its speed. It didnt matter to me about its very weak nature. Its scavenger gameplay was fun because i was able to run around quickly enough for food to not be a problem (the only issue was that herra was barely even hungry enough lol) . Climing treess is going to be the cherry on top for me. Only problem is that they are definitely nerfing its speed lol since its speed was more of a accident in legacy. Secondly COASTAL?? u give it a tree climbing ability and you send ot to a place where theors not many trees?!?
Most sane isle dev decision
Im calling it, as with galli, herrera wont have everything show in the concept art, im sure it wont get the ability to take chunks of meat out of alive dinos at release
I actually really want raui, it’s just such a unique build and animal compared to the rest of the roster that I feel like discarding it would be a waste. If I had to come up with a play-style, I’d make it equivalent to a jaguar or tiger. Stalking prey, switching from bided to quadruped for fast movement and being a great swimmer.
You’ll be sad to hear this. But it’s been officially scrapped.
It'll be fine :) the more dinos we get, the better!
Actually, scrap that, the more dinos we get the longer it will take for my boy Big Al to be re-introduced.
Nah, I strongly believe adding more and more dinos is a good thing. Especially ones with unique mechanics and/or playstyles. However, to be honest I'm getting pretty tired of only playing and seeing these tiny dinosaurs. Time to introduce some true mid-tiers and after that apexes. Luckily we are getting dibble, maia, trike and rex soon. Too bad trike and rex won't play a very big role in the beginning though.
Rex and trike will just dominate
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx absolutely yeah. But then again, they kind of should
@@topiheimola69true.
last time I heard of rauisuchus, a dev said that it wasn't planned for the game anymore
Rare isle dev W
@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx haha for sure.
Less creatures in this game is a huge bonus.
I liked rauisuchus, but we can't get every single creature that looks cool
well tbh i see where your coming from with them but here is the thing right it will be op tbh so i see where your coming from but at the same time that means every deino in the water you can just use the snot ability on them and maybe it will blind them or they will keep it and the snot will make every dino in the game either worse or just scared cause a deino will run for there life wen seeing it do to if it gets snot on it they are dead cause everything will come and its ggs so you already know its over
Babe wake up orni just published
they need to add small dryo/hibsy npc and nextbots
Improved isle roster 4 small carnies dilo, velo, ovy, austro, utahs and raui, mid teir carnies sucho, cera, alberto, barry, allo, carno, large mid teir acro, torvosaurus, tarbosaurus, Dinocuchus and saurophaganax apex carnies rex, giga, spino.
Cause honestly the others are not going to be played as much
but...mono doesn't have to use its spit for just traps...who says that during its hunt it cant blind its prey with snot and even if the prey does get away its still now easily trackable threw the snot
Hypsi is a prime example of how spitting isn’t great.
honeslty this isint an issue with only small tiers mid tiers too get affect by this like alberto and allo you pointed out in a different video same thing but alberto is better from what we heard from the devs what it feels like the devs are doing is just cramming the dinos that are convinient for gameplay with humans and dont even worry if people are actually going to play them feels like they cant see their own game and what they are making sometimes
arrivedecci
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He has spoken
I play Herrera a lot. If I camp up on a popular trekking spot between migrations, chances are I will starve OR dehydrate before anything even SHOWS UP let alone something I can hunt, let alone one that gets within pouncing range. Even if the server is max capacity, the truth of the matter is, Herrera, with all of its DIRE stamina and swimming problems, has to eat something that is curiously not even in its diet: the schooling fish.
I foresaw this unfortunate future
The worst part is the abysmal walking and trotting speed, and tiny stamina pool, it seems devs wanted Herrera to have a small range and it shows. By the time you regen your stamina pool, half of your food and water are gone. One has to be incredibly patient just holding W and moving from migration to migration, as any meaningful amount of running will necessitate a starve-rest state before you can hunt.@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx
@@Feradoseit is very questionable,I’m going to use your comment in my latest video if that’s ok. 🙏🏼
Well, they have since fixed the issue, and Herrera is a lot more playable now, but sure@@Orni-Mega-Lonyx
I don't understand how you can see the issues with these playables but can't see the issues with oviraptor. It's going to be weaker than herrera and mono while also having a more difficult diet. How often do you find eggs to steal? Almost never. Yeah its omnivorous but if you wanted that you could just play galli which is faster, stronger, and basically better in every way. Ovi is currently the worst small tier and needs more mechanics to work. Actually I lied oro and homalo are probably the worst but ovi isn't that far off.
I just got cooked
maybe the sneezing could also be venomous, and then the monolophosaurus tracks it and finishes it of with 5 bittes. but that is just my idea.
It’s not a bad one
My problem with them is that they aren’t Allo
i agree mono's snot ability was a horrible choice, i hope mono doesn't get overshadowed cuz it's a really cool dinosaur. the herrera problem i can see happening on gateway, such a large map will make it hard for herrera players to hunt plus once rex comes out aint noone gonna be playing stuff like dryo. also raui was confirmed to be scrapped
Oh damn I didn’t know. Merci💎
Ornilophosaurus
Remove mono, velo, rugops, and postosuchus. We don’t need so many fucking dinosaurs when we have much more interesting dinosaurs to play like a Velo with venom (troodon), a tree climber and a semi Aquatic raptor.
Raui is scrapped
if the isle went back to a progression system like the old old old times then smaller dinossaurs would be viable to play again
What a comment. Take me back to progression.
i don't agree on talking down on something we didn't try