@@Star88859 it’s interesting how the FTC stepped over Sony’s generations long anti consumer-anti competitive practices, to go after Microsoft for the thousandth time.
@@tr1bes Yeah, somehow, even though Sony operates in the US, only Microsoft has to abide by the FTC. The exclusivity debate is one sided. Sony can money-hat themselves & their devs to death if they feel they have to in order to sell a PlayStation. And Microsoft is going to be brought into court for the consequences of that.
@ no they didn’t. That’s what the media claimed after twisting Microsoft’s words. Xbox actually wanted to have digital trade ins & lending on top of the physical, returns and gifting we have today. They even spoke to GameStop to partner on it. We would’ve been able to lend friends digital copies of physical games without leaving the house or handing them the copy. It was 10x cooler than what we had at the time. But guess what? Gamers and online idiots blew it with how they reacted and reported on it. At least we got Game Pass out of it 🤷🏽♂️
@@angiwells6897 PlayStation is a shadow of its former self... I guess all those slimy deals and anti-consumer practices have caught up with them #nops6
Peter Moore said during an interview that Sony would refuse stock to retailers if they didn't follow certain conditions when it came to selling & displaying PlayStation products. He also said publishers had a wait & see attitude due to PlayStation 2 on the horizon.
With everything that Sony has done, how can anyone believe otherwise? They've been trying to do it to Xbox for over 20 years. They almost succeeded with Don Mattrick's help. He was a double agent. You can't change my mind. MS just has a bigger bank account and Sony can't compete. Sony might as well accept defeat and thank Xbox for helping them to improve and innovate. Since Sony has copied Xbox since 2001. Immatation is the best form of flattery.
Everyone believes that the PS2 was technologically more advanced than the Dreamcast is not true! The Dreamcast was based on the Niomi hardware that is basically Sega's most powerful arcade board at the time.
I believed until I got a ps2 and saw jaggies galore and mud smudged all over the graphics it was ugly I was mad that ps2 ugly graphic machine killed the beautiful graphics machine named Sega Dreamcast
The Dreamcast invented things that later consoles imitated: - Builtin web browser - DLC - Builtin online service (SegaNet, previously used for the Saturn Net Link attachment) - A second screen on your controller - Video chat (yes, seriously, you have to buy the DreamEye and the Dreamcast Microphone) - Motion control (special peripheral for a fishing game)
The only real advantage the PS2 had over Dreamcast was the DVD player. That player single handedly is why that console sold so much because it was the CHEAPEST DVD on the market and many bought it solely for that reason.
Actually the Naomi wasn't the most powerful Sega Hardware. The Model 3 Step 2.1 is actually faster than the Dreamcast and Naomi Hardware. Now the PS2 is more powerful than the Dreamcast in most areas. More ram, memory bandwidth, and those vu can do a bit of crazy things. PS2 can push polys and particles basically. Dreamcast only advantage aganist the PS2 is textures and resolution. The PS2 is just a monster at pushing polys and effects, but is limited by textures and feature set.
Ummmmm could be true? We know it's true there were verifiable claims from small retailers and game shops that Sony told them no shipment of PS2 games unless they downplayed the dreamcast. We already know thru verified technical papers AVAILABLE at launch that Sony misrepresented the ps2s abilities and issues.
Of course its true. Anyone not a hopeless pony or living under a rock for the past 35 years knows this. Its Sony's modus operandi. Create or acquire a standard, then once it gets adopted (by hook or by crook) charge large licensing fees. They killed HD-DVD by pumping closer to $10 billion into studios (as 'marketing' funds) to get them to adopt BD as their ONLY distribution media, and now we're all paying a % of every BD disk we buy to sony. They tried this with Memory Stick as well and were on their way with beta, SDDS and CD-R/W before the rest of the industry banded together and stopped them. They do everything they can do hurt their competitors, everything except compete in a fair way and let the merits of their tech and products speak for itself. The reason we don't have RayTracing in minecraft is that sony refused to provide dev kits to Mojang so they're still essentially using the 360/XB1 codebase.
Sony is a horrid company.. They purposefully killed Segas console business and paid to remove so much of their content.. Wipeout.. Tomb Raider.. Croc.. And more. There is a reason Sega partnered with Xbox/Microsoft with the original Xbox and releasing leftover Dreamcast titles and a few classics as well. There is a reason that Xbox has managed to get Sega on board so heavily with Game Pass and releasing all of their content on the platform that wasn't there before. If Sega ever were to sell. It will be to Microsoft/Xbox. Of this I have zero doubt.
I heard they keep adding PS2 sales to this day to stop nintendo from catching them. I can't stand the way playstation operates they are incredibly petty.
There is a "rumor" in the past that Sony owns-rights[?]/manufacture[?] most of the OG disc drives for both console, hence Nintendo went a different route to dodge a bullet. Most PS2 users just flew to other platforms after that console gen. Selling the disc drives separately also was planned/formed on the Ps2 era.
What sony did back in the 90's went unchecked. Back then, people only thought of the video game market as a toy for kids. So no one really cared that sony buying all these studios.
Could be a contributing factor but the biggest issue with Dreamcast was that it was so easy to pirate their games. Their entire catalogue of games were available with the "boot disc" Great console though, shame it had to disappear 😢
Now people are believing this is true??? It was so obvious back then! And I'm really surprised what Sony's been doing since the days of SEGA consoles haven't come up during the ABK trials.
Dreamcast really was the better console, I LOVED my Dreamcast. The library was incredible even with the Sony sabotage. I can completely believe this story. Sega came out swinging that generation and they got LESS traction than they did with the Saturn? Shit never added up.
If you believe this then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Sega did this to themselves. PlayStation 2 was the better system but Dreamcast was a great but overrated system.
@@Adamtendo_player_1dreamcast barely had any time to cook. It could have been much better if it had more time. The playstation 2 is easily one of the most overrated consoles ever. The ports for that console are almost always hot garbage. The only reason it was worth owning is because it played DVDs and PS1 games.
@@Adamtendo_player_1the playstation 2 is easily one of, if not the most overrated console ever. Its ports for games are always inferior. The only reason it was worth owning is because it played ps1 games and DVDs.
If this was the case, wouldn't Sony try doing the same with Nintendo as well? I mean, when you think about it, N64 and GameCube were Nintendo's consoles at the time and they didn't receive much third party support, did they. The same may have happened there too?
YUP. How many games came to the NES and SNES before Sony came to the market. Suddenly every game ever was pouring into the new kid on the block, ignoring Nintendo and Sega? Nintendo used have Final Fantasy exclusively on their console. There were Mega Man games, Castlevania games, etc. SONY backed up with a truck full of money to third party devs, and won. I barely, or rarely believe the "Console is hard to program for" argument. Or the minimal ram available nonsense, especially when N64 and Dreamcast were more then capable consoles to run most of Sony's library on.
@@adny02 N64 has no space for FMVs or high quality music which are important for alot of games. Also the PS1 is very easy to make games on due to have a very good sdk and support. Also making a N64 game cost more due to carts being more expensive since a CD is only a few cents. A good cart is about $2 to $20 depending on space, plus other production costs. Dreamcast didn't have the numbers at all. PS1 had the games and hardware to make great sells. Making a PS1 game costs less than making a Saturn or N64 game.
Nintendo doesn't operate financially the same as Sony. Nintendo gave Sony the finger and went with Phillips because they saw the writing on the wall. Sony used corporate espionage to get intel on 3DO when Trip started the company. They lead 3DO on to believe that Sony was on board with manufacturing 3do systems. Came to all sorts of meetings. Then out of nowhere announced the PS1, pulling the rug out from under the talks with 3do. When the PS2 came out, they used almost verbatim every idea 3do had in the works for their console line ups for the future. Not only that but they would give devs free stuff to port games, they were working on for the 3do, to the PS1 instead. Nintendo cut ties with Sony early and had no dog in the fight for the 32-bit wars. Nintendo has always done their own thing.
Actually most SEGA fans believed sony sabotaged Dreamcast, but we also blamed SEGA misteps as well. It explains why a lot of SEGA teams refused to make games for PS2 and went ffor xbox and gamecube instead when SEGA went third party when the teams were still semi independent.
It’s called business and gamers buy because of the games… so your ‘ponys just gobble gobble’ comment just stinks of you attacking gamers choice and not Sony.
One of the big reasons Dreamcast failed because you could burn the disk write on cd with no problem and it worked. All of my cousin's games like that. Not enuff people buy the games and burning them. Plus it didn't help Sega cd and 32x failed.
EA was never going on dreamcast, they had beef with eachother over SEGA using a different chip to a chip EA had invested in and expected SEGA to use it. Then the situation over SEGA Sports where EA would only agree to make dreamcast games if SEGA didnt have sports games from other companies on the system. SEGA refused. Its well documented by now.
This is old news to me Tomb raider was the GTA of its day it was crazy popular after the first games, then sony made the sequels exclusive to the ps1 and the sega saturn that was already struggling not having the sequel damn near killed it, it wasnt the only reason though but it didnt help.
@@tr1bes I already pretty much knew. But thanks for verifying. You guys always watch and comment on xbox related channels such as this one and make stupid comments like this.
Sony push saga out of the gaming console market and damn near pushed the Nintendo out.. we all seen it happen if we paid attention that's why I say f*** PlayStation I'm sticking with Xbox
cause Xbox never did anything dirty right plus what does it matter what these companies do anyway as long as they deliver good games i would buy a good game even made by the worst ppl possible i don't care who makes the games i play you should start playing games not corporations
@LyuboA I agree... But what has PlayStation done lately... 65 million consoles zero first party... Also Xbox tries to bring gamers together PlayStation has separated the gamers trying to survive
Most brain rot commentator. Game Pass is a subscription. If you will never cancel in search of a game that will make you sub 1 month, then you are LOSING. That’s not an Xbox comment, that’s a comment on Subscriptions in general. Becoming a forever sub is accepting a loss for commodity. And after that NOBODY BELIEVE SEGA EXITED FOR FREE! Sega was in the same Market as PlayStation. PlayStation just won so much, Sega lost and exited… kinda like Xbox becoming the Bento Box.
I knew the history of Sony PlayStation and the reason why they are so popular is because they keep buying third party games locked so no one could have it except PlayStation exclusive titles deal
As a lifelong Sega fan, and getting the Dreamcast at launch, and watching the support go away it really sucked. I read something a long time ago similar to that, something along the lines of special royalty rates for developers that Sega couldn't match, and also what you mentioned, with the denial of developers kits for any developer who was developing on Segas Dreamcast. I remember this because I was glad when Microsoft came into the market with the Xbox, and I told my buddy I was excited for this because Sony couldn't outmuscle Microsofts wallet like they did with Sega. But, seems like they are still winning at their persuasion tactics. One reason I haven't been ultra supportive of Sony, and I hope Microsoft doesn't leave the hardware side. I've got a ps2 , ps3, and ps4, but I get those systems way later, and Xbox is still my lead, and preferred platform
I believe it, sony have demonstrated their underhanded business tactics for years with xbox. The only reason they failed to ruin the xbox is because Microsoft have several revenue streams and are not reliant on the xbox, having said that sony still have no answer to compete with several of the xboxs strenghs . Over he years Microsoft were more inventive and developed features so fast sony couldnt get a total upper hand eg superior online play, wide spread backwards compatibility , fast replay, avatars, award points, superior market place, games with gold, gamepass and the list goes on. sony have copied some of these features since with some success but basically not developed their business model much. Relying on if its not broke , why fix it. They still rely on buying exclusives for their system and trying to force the competition out, they have made some great games but are now forced to release their games on pc as they have realised that the business model of the last 15-20 years is not going to cut it. Xbox has managed to keep competative regardless what the very driven ps fans say, even after the bad xbox 1 launch that cost them so much after the 360. Sad that sony still hold their games from releasing on xbox, as their current practices are becoming less effective and will harm them in the long run now.
I mean yeah it’s pretty much an unspoken fact that Sony had a hand in the downfall of Sega as a console company. I mean just look at how much money they spent making sure the PS1 had stolen IPs and games.
That's what iv'e been saying not all XBOX first party titles are going to other consoles Everyone's running around spewing that same msg i think a lot of ponies are going to be disappointed when they find out! There goes the ammo for their little console war😂 And M$ already has like 95% of ps5's games lmao ps HAS NO GAMES!!! X Forever 😎
@amnril bro they did it with balders gate and street fighter which was nich titles, stop the capp a pc guy proves it can work by using pc specs lower than the consol, stop being a fanboy
@@nicholasellis7494 you asked a question, I gave my opinion and then, because you didn’t like my answer, call me a fanboy. Why ask a question if you can’t take someone’s sincere answer because it doesn’t align with you? If it makes you happy….. yes, you are 100% correct… happy now?
During the PS2 era I wouldn't be surprised if and when they did as hardware was still more exotic and having a certain installbase to make it commercially more viable to go to Sony.I don't think you could get away with it in these times while everything is much more accessible and the competition pretty much can go anywhere they want, Phones, handhelds etc etc. Nintendo was pretty hostile as well and if Sony learned from anyone it was definitely them.
Dreamcast was one of my favorite all time consoles. I always thought it had to be something else that helped kill of that console other than the EA refusing to make games for it. Sega countered with Visual Concepts and actually made better sports games than EA. If this is true with Sony and this dev kit fiasco, then I will NEVER BUY a PS new to allow them to count that towards sales. The games will also only be bought used.
As good as the ps2 is its the most overrated old school console. Ppl only bought that console for money hatted 3rd party games like gta San Andreas and re4 along with DVDs. You barely hear anyone say I bought a ps2 because of the great first party games made by sony.
The PS2 ports of games during that console gen are always inferior. It is quite an overrated console. The only reason I like it still is because it plays PS2 and PS1 games. As a standalone console its garbage.
I thought about this - there's a reason that this both makes sense and doesn't. . . Sega was a little dog at that point, they had messed around with add-ons for the genesis and the Saturn was a disaster. Xbox was very new, and wasn't taken seriously yet. However, Nintendo and Sony had bad blood, the N64 and GameCube didn't do so well. . . But Sony would nick developers from them (ie SuckerPunch was originally a Nintendo developer). The whole piracy thing probably didn't help Sega either when it came to developers.
Actually Sega still took themselves out due to money. Just look at their financial results at the time. A string of bad decisions before the Dreamcast and the Arcade business experincing a slowdown did hit them hard. They were also spending too much money on games that weren't selling also. PS2 hype did play a factor but the rumor pratices that Sony did are very unfounded especially if the source is one developer's word aganist the sea of documented evidence. If that was the case then THPS 3 and 4 wouldn't be on xbox or ngc. GTA 3 never made it to Dreamcast due to market conditions. It was PS2 exclusive due to Sony taking the deal over MS who didn't want the deal that Rockstar that was giving them. For example EA didn't make any Dreamcast games due to being burned on the Saturn and not getting the exclusive right to be the only sports brand on the system. Half Life Dreamcast was canned due to the system not being supported and issues with final polish.
So, a rumor about Sony, with no actual evidence to back it up, is true, while a rumor about xbox, with some slim evidence to back it up, is a complete and utter falsehood, and in the end, more port begging for PlayStation games. What a clown this guy is. Remain legend, Chaos...in your own mind.
I loved the Dreamcast BUT truth be told I wished my parents had got me a GameCube as well because apart from the DC we only had the Xbox. We saved money on games easily though because our Xbox had a mod chip inside which let us play pirated discs. A friend would rent blockbuster games then rip them on his old PC and sell us the copied discs for $10 a pop 😂
EA pulled out of support for the DC due Sega using power vr tec rather than 3dfx which EA owned 20% off at the time...doesnt help either sony bulling developers to not publish on dc
Yes, most likely, they tried to do it cause they already did with nintendo when making their console and stealing 3 of nintendos' best ip through a shady contract.
@@therealjaystone2344, It's a win win for Nintendo, Cause Nintendo get to be the Face of Gaming Industry It's about Legacy. When we say about Gaming, Nintendo is the only game company that existed in History.
@therealjaystone2344 my point is, is that they didn't betray the deal sony was trying to rustle 3 of there ips and leave them in the dust after and take full ownership of everything, why would anyone accept that?
Ah! Yes. If Richard from the internet stated so then it must be true. And am saying that as the CEO of Sega of course. Which is 100% true because am posting it on the internet. Let's ignore that dozens of ex Sega developers that don't even work in the industry anymore etc never said such a thing. I swear some console fans are in a cult. You will think the cultish Xbox guys will relax a little now that they are all jumping to PC and getting out of the console camp but their hatred and misery runs deep.
I've always said Sega made a number of mistakes that contributed to their own downfall. But Sony gave them a big push. Sony used its wallet to win. And it tried the same with XBox. Alnost succeeded, but didn't. Now XBox is bigger. And while "the whole slate" is going to PS, MS doesn't care about consoles. Content and Cloud is the future.
Some Great points, But Not all true, Those GTA Games, GTA 3, Vice City, And GTA San Andreas also came out on The original XBOX as well, Don't know about the 360 i cant remember, but they were very good ports to pall. Great video though, I have always known Sony were rats, Look what they did to the 3DO which could have been a great console if it had of had the wright backing from Games company's. Maybe even the game cube could of shone brightly to, cause Teck wise that was an Ace console, It had a Dedicated Radeon Graphics card on board, Just look at some of the graphics on that little Gem. Way better then the PS2, Don't get me wrong, i grew to really like the PS2 over the years, But compare some other consoles of that era, and there was better out there that could of trashed Sony into Little Pieces, I mean look at Panasonic 3DO, That was planned to have the first ever DVD Drive on it, But because of Cut backs to save money, They Ditched the idea, Could that console have given Sony a run for It's money, I mean the graphics were terrible on the PS1, What with the wobbly Graphics and all. They didn't get there act together until the PS3 did they really, And by that time saga could have took the crown by a mile couldn't they really my friend.
I think Xbox is killing themselves buying all these triple A companies and then put them on game pass they are losing money putting those games on game pass they can’t put out $100-$200 million games and make money just on game pass just not possible
PC gamer shilling for Xbox, GP you own nothing, rent license, I prefer to own, GP standard doesn't even get day and date anymore, they charge more took away main reason to sub, no wonder why it's stagnant
people lost there trust in sega 32x saturn japan wanted saturn usa wanted megadrive with 32x always sega of america japan usa alwaysdidnt get along sega killing there hardware to early that why the dreamcast failed.
It's true because look how sony money hatted the 3rd party games and ppl actually thought they were exclusives. Ppl didn't buy the ps2 for sony made games except for gran turismo.
Dreamcast used CDROM.. games coming out couldn't fit on it...PS2 had dvd Loosing EA sports games was a big nail in the coffin 1 analogue stick didn't help either
P.s. brits and americans are pronouncing sega incorrectly. Interesting....the singer Bob Segers name is pronounced: See-ger NOT say-ger THEREFORE the Aussies and Kiwis are correct when they pronounce Sega ( SEE-GA/er ) NOT SAY-GA/er like people do in America, UK and other English speaking nations.
Incorrect. SEGA themselves uses the Say ga pronunciation. They been using it in their commercials since the early eighties. Second, The two EEs create a different sound compared to one e, so using seega when its a different word doesn't prove your point. So try again before trying to shame gamers from other countries.
Did you seriously just say that your 3090 graphics card is better than current consoles?............😂😂😂 dude the 3090 graphics cards are 1080p based cards, hell my 4060 graphics card is 1080p based aswell and every AAA game made since probobly 2015 has to be set to medium settings to run smoothly on my PC. Atleast with the consoles they are 4k ready with ray tracing without any tampering by the consumer at all.
Nintendo went the handheld route to escape Sony. Xbox isn't trash. It's ecosystem is massively better than Playstation in value. I own every platform and when you do you can compare. If I buy a game on the Xbox storefront, play anywhere gives me the PC version in the purchase price. Cross play and cross save means the Xbox version cross saves between every device except playstation. With gamepass Ubisoft+ gives you the same benefit plus all the expansions without cost. On PS+ it does not you have to double dip. This is why, once I have finished my last unfinished game on my PS5 (Ghost) then it will become a Warframe / Netflix box. I am not spending another penny on playstation and despite having owned every playstation console and still playing my PSVita I won't be buying the PS6 because of Sony constantly moneyhatting. Sony does not have the right to dictate which device I play a game on, and I personally blacklist any developer that accepts moneyhats.
@fvjtfjnx6535 , Nintendo never avoid Sony, Nintendo is the market and innovation leader "Nintendo Innovate, Sony Imitate" Look at Ps5 , pathetic console, low sales , flopped Exclusive and the best of all "CONCORD PLAYSTATION BEST EXCLUSIVE GAME IN HISTORY"
😅🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂😅😅🤣 Sony full 3rd party too , because yall don't buy enough games ... 65+ million console and ASTRGAY only sold 1.5 million .... COPE HARDER SONY BRONY
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Sony should be investigated for anti-consumer practices then and now
@@Star88859 it’s interesting how the FTC stepped over Sony’s generations long anti consumer-anti competitive practices, to go after Microsoft for the thousandth time.
@@TheArchangelNexus yeah and if i was Sega and also Microsoft or any after place i would like the FTC and after to investigate all this asap
Go ahead bro, go be the lead investigator. We're depending on you! ☝🏽
FTC is only US. Sega and Sony are Japanese. Different place. Different law.
Have you ponder what Nintendo did to Sega during the NES days?
@@tr1bes Yeah, somehow, even though Sony operates in the US, only Microsoft has to abide by the FTC.
The exclusivity debate is one sided. Sony can money-hat themselves & their devs to death if they feel they have to in order to sell a PlayStation. And Microsoft is going to be brought into court for the consequences of that.
Yeah man I remember that shit. The Dreamcast was an incredible console. And PlayStation been dirty for that. We knew that shit back then.
Yes we did
I can believe it. Sony just tried to do that to Xbox for a decade.
Xbox is the brand that would not die and the ponies cannot stand it
Xbox tried to ban second hand games
@ no they didn’t. That’s what the media claimed after twisting Microsoft’s words.
Xbox actually wanted to have digital trade ins & lending on top of the physical, returns and gifting we have today. They even spoke to GameStop to partner on it.
We would’ve been able to lend friends digital copies of physical games without leaving the house or handing them the copy. It was 10x cooler than what we had at the time.
But guess what? Gamers and online idiots blew it with how they reacted and reported on it. At least we got Game Pass out of it 🤷🏽♂️
@jnunya3833 Xbox is the Baba Yaga. Many have tried. But it cannot be killed. Only angered. lol
@@angiwells6897 PlayStation is a shadow of its former self... I guess all those slimy deals and anti-consumer practices have caught up with them
#nops6
Peter Moore said during an interview that Sony would refuse stock to retailers if they didn't follow certain conditions when it came to selling & displaying PlayStation products. He also said publishers had a wait & see attitude due to PlayStation 2 on the horizon.
Practice still going on today
@therealjaystone2344 it's Sony. Nothing surprises me.
With everything that Sony has done, how can anyone believe otherwise? They've been trying to do it to Xbox for over 20 years. They almost succeeded with Don Mattrick's help. He was a double agent. You can't change my mind. MS just has a bigger bank account and Sony can't compete. Sony might as well accept defeat and thank Xbox for helping them to improve and innovate. Since Sony has copied Xbox since 2001. Immatation is the best form of flattery.
I would love sega to come back into the hardware space
Everyone believes that the PS2 was technologically more advanced than the Dreamcast is not true! The Dreamcast was based on the Niomi hardware that is basically Sega's most powerful arcade board at the time.
I believed until I got a ps2 and saw jaggies galore and mud smudged all over the graphics it was ugly I was mad that ps2 ugly graphic machine killed the beautiful graphics machine named Sega Dreamcast
The Dreamcast invented things that later consoles imitated:
- Builtin web browser
- DLC
- Builtin online service (SegaNet, previously used for the Saturn Net Link attachment)
- A second screen on your controller
- Video chat (yes, seriously, you have to buy the DreamEye and the Dreamcast Microphone)
- Motion control (special peripheral for a fishing game)
The only real advantage the PS2 had over Dreamcast was the DVD player. That player single handedly is why that console sold so much because it was the CHEAPEST DVD on the market and many bought it solely for that reason.
Actually the Naomi wasn't the most powerful Sega Hardware. The Model 3 Step 2.1 is actually faster than the Dreamcast and Naomi Hardware. Now the PS2 is more powerful than the Dreamcast in most areas. More ram, memory bandwidth, and those vu can do a bit of crazy things. PS2 can push polys and particles basically.
Dreamcast only advantage aganist the PS2 is textures and resolution. The PS2 is just a monster at pushing polys and effects, but is limited by textures and feature set.
It's beyond true that Sony did Sega dirty. They are the reason Sega has to stop the hardware business.
Ummmmm could be true? We know it's true there were verifiable claims from small retailers and game shops that Sony told them no shipment of PS2 games unless they downplayed the dreamcast.
We already know thru verified technical papers AVAILABLE at launch that Sony misrepresented the ps2s abilities and issues.
Of course its true. Anyone not a hopeless pony or living under a rock for the past 35 years knows this. Its Sony's modus operandi. Create or acquire a standard, then once it gets adopted (by hook or by crook) charge large licensing fees. They killed HD-DVD by pumping closer to $10 billion into studios (as 'marketing' funds) to get them to adopt BD as their ONLY distribution media, and now we're all paying a % of every BD disk we buy to sony. They tried this with Memory Stick as well and were on their way with beta, SDDS and CD-R/W before the rest of the industry banded together and stopped them. They do everything they can do hurt their competitors, everything except compete in a fair way and let the merits of their tech and products speak for itself.
The reason we don't have RayTracing in minecraft is that sony refused to provide dev kits to Mojang so they're still essentially using the 360/XB1 codebase.
Sony is a horrid company.. They purposefully killed Segas console business and paid to remove so much of their content.. Wipeout.. Tomb Raider.. Croc.. And more.
There is a reason Sega partnered with Xbox/Microsoft with the original Xbox and releasing leftover Dreamcast titles and a few classics as well.
There is a reason that Xbox has managed to get Sega on board so heavily with Game Pass and releasing all of their content on the platform that wasn't there before.
If Sega ever were to sell. It will be to Microsoft/Xbox. Of this I have zero doubt.
Sony so dirty!!!
It'd be silly not to make your platform the most desirable by working closely with third party developers though
Gangsta move
@@MrRoundthetwistNormal business practices, welcome to the real world.
Sony... inflated ps2 sales, facts.
When Nintendo sells more switches than PS2 sony will find another 10mil😂
@gjergjaurelius9798 yep, they have been inflating ps2 sales for the past decade...
yep they did the same with PS5 and with PS3
I heard they keep adding PS2 sales to this day to stop nintendo from catching them. I can't stand the way playstation operates they are incredibly petty.
There is a "rumor" in the past that Sony owns-rights[?]/manufacture[?] most of the OG disc drives for both console, hence Nintendo went a different route to dodge a bullet.
Most PS2 users just flew to other platforms after that console gen. Selling the disc drives separately also was planned/formed on the Ps2 era.
This remembers me that back in the day (true story), in Mexico Coca Cola refuses to deliver their product in stores that selling Pepsi.
Peter Moore confirmed this years ago
What sony did back in the 90's went unchecked. Back then, people only thought of the video game market as a toy for kids. So no one really cared that sony buying all these studios.
Could be a contributing factor but the biggest issue with Dreamcast was that it was so easy to pirate their games.
Their entire catalogue of games were available with the "boot disc"
Great console though, shame it had to disappear 😢
That was a huge nail in it's coffin that's why 3rd party abandoned it and killed it not Sony
Now people are believing this is true??? It was so obvious back then! And I'm really surprised what Sony's been doing since the days of SEGA consoles haven't come up during the ABK trials.
people are getting dumb, it was common sense in nineties; sony always sabotaged the game market
Dreamcast really was the better console, I LOVED my Dreamcast. The library was incredible even with the Sony sabotage. I can completely believe this story. Sega came out swinging that generation and they got LESS traction than they did with the Saturn? Shit never added up.
If you believe this then I’ve got a bridge to sell you. Sega did this to themselves. PlayStation 2 was the better system but Dreamcast was a great but overrated system.
@@Adamtendo_player_1dreamcast barely had any time to cook. It could have been much better if it had more time.
The playstation 2 is easily one of the most overrated consoles ever. The ports for that console are almost always hot garbage. The only reason it was worth owning is because it played DVDs and PS1 games.
@@Adamtendo_player_1the playstation 2 is easily one of, if not the most overrated console ever. Its ports for games are always inferior.
The only reason it was worth owning is because it played ps1 games and DVDs.
If this was the case, wouldn't Sony try doing the same with Nintendo as well?
I mean, when you think about it, N64 and GameCube were Nintendo's consoles at the time and they didn't receive much third party support, did they. The same may have happened there too?
Nintendo did it to themselves without Sony trying. It is Sony doing dirty to Microsoft tho.
YUP. How many games came to the NES and SNES before Sony came to the market. Suddenly every game ever was pouring into the new kid on the block, ignoring Nintendo and Sega? Nintendo used have Final Fantasy exclusively on their console. There were Mega Man games, Castlevania games, etc. SONY backed up with a truck full of money to third party devs, and won.
I barely, or rarely believe the "Console is hard to program for" argument. Or the minimal ram available nonsense, especially when N64 and Dreamcast were more then capable consoles to run most of Sony's library on.
@@adny02 N64 has no space for FMVs or high quality music which are important for alot of games. Also the PS1 is very easy to make games on due to have a very good sdk and support.
Also making a N64 game cost more due to carts being more expensive since a CD is only a few cents. A good cart is about $2 to $20 depending on space, plus other production costs.
Dreamcast didn't have the numbers at all.
PS1 had the games and hardware to make great sells. Making a PS1 game costs less than making a Saturn or N64 game.
Nintendo doesn't operate financially the same as Sony. Nintendo gave Sony the finger and went with Phillips because they saw the writing on the wall. Sony used corporate espionage to get intel on 3DO when Trip started the company. They lead 3DO on to believe that Sony was on board with manufacturing 3do systems. Came to all sorts of meetings. Then out of nowhere announced the PS1, pulling the rug out from under the talks with 3do. When the PS2 came out, they used almost verbatim every idea 3do had in the works for their console line ups for the future. Not only that but they would give devs free stuff to port games, they were working on for the 3do, to the PS1 instead. Nintendo cut ties with Sony early and had no dog in the fight for the 32-bit wars. Nintendo has always done their own thing.
Nintendo hasn't been the same since the SNES which happens to coincide with the playstation 1.
- Tony Hawk Pro Skater 2 ?
- Tomb Raider 4 and 5 ?
Actually most SEGA fans believed sony sabotaged Dreamcast, but we also blamed SEGA misteps as well. It explains why a lot of SEGA teams refused to make games for PS2 and went ffor xbox and gamecube instead when SEGA went third party when the teams were still semi independent.
uhh yes sony has been anti consumer for how long and ponys just gobble gobble
It’s called business and gamers buy because of the games… so your ‘ponys just gobble gobble’ comment just stinks of you attacking gamers choice and not Sony.
One of the big reasons Dreamcast failed because you could burn the disk write on cd with no problem and it worked. All of my cousin's games like that. Not enuff people buy the games and burning them. Plus it didn't help Sega cd and 32x failed.
Exactly, Sega were utterly clueless back then. The Dreamcast was a decent machine but Sega were doomed the second PS2 was announced.
EA was never going on dreamcast, they had beef with eachother over SEGA using a different chip to a chip EA had invested in and expected SEGA to use it. Then the situation over SEGA Sports where EA would only agree to make dreamcast games if SEGA didnt have sports games from other companies on the system. SEGA refused. Its well documented by now.
This is old news to me Tomb raider was the GTA of its day it was crazy popular after the first games, then sony made the sequels exclusive to the ps1 and the sega saturn that was already struggling not having the sequel damn near killed it, it wasnt the only reason though but it didnt help.
im a sega fan and sony always did things like this
So did Nintendo to Sega during the NES days.
It's business tactics. So, as a consumer, I don't care.
Let me guess you're a playstation fan?
@jacksonjacob7791 let me guess, xbox fan.
@@tr1bes I already pretty much knew. But thanks for verifying.
You guys always watch and comment on xbox related channels such as this one and make stupid comments like this.
@@jacksonjacob7791 How you like the pay to play online? Xbox started that whole mess. Way to defend them.
@@tr1bes that isn't really the topic of this video so why are you bringing that up. I don't know.
Sony push saga out of the gaming console market and damn near pushed the Nintendo out.. we all seen it happen if we paid attention that's why I say f*** PlayStation I'm sticking with Xbox
cause Xbox never did anything dirty right plus what does it matter what these companies do anyway as long as they deliver good games i would buy a good game even made by the worst ppl possible i don't care who makes the games i play you should start playing games not corporations
@LyuboA I agree... But what has PlayStation done lately... 65 million consoles zero first party... Also Xbox tries to bring gamers together PlayStation has separated the gamers trying to survive
I'll say this as a kid i didn't know anyone that wanted dreamcast just playstation and Nintendo consoles
Most brain rot commentator.
Game Pass is a subscription. If you will never cancel in search of a game that will make you sub 1 month, then you are LOSING. That’s not an Xbox comment, that’s a comment on Subscriptions in general. Becoming a forever sub is accepting a loss for commodity.
And after that NOBODY BELIEVE SEGA EXITED FOR FREE!
Sega was in the same Market as PlayStation. PlayStation just won so much, Sega lost and exited… kinda like Xbox becoming the Bento Box.
So G4 Icon and PlayValue got the Dreamcast history wrong.
This is business, the most cunning wins.
Sega did it to themselves, Sega shot themselves in the foot with the Saturn launch previously.
I knew the history of Sony PlayStation and the reason why they are so popular is because they keep buying third party games locked so no one could have it except PlayStation exclusive titles deal
As a lifelong Sega fan, and getting the Dreamcast at launch, and watching the support go away it really sucked. I read something a long time ago similar to that, something along the lines of special royalty rates for developers that Sega couldn't match, and also what you mentioned, with the denial of developers kits for any developer who was developing on Segas Dreamcast. I remember this because I was glad when Microsoft came into the market with the Xbox, and I told my buddy I was excited for this because Sony couldn't outmuscle Microsofts wallet like they did with Sega. But, seems like they are still winning at their persuasion tactics. One reason I haven't been ultra supportive of Sony, and I hope Microsoft doesn't leave the hardware side. I've got a ps2 , ps3, and ps4, but I get those systems way later, and Xbox is still my lead, and preferred platform
I believe it, sony have demonstrated their underhanded business tactics for years with xbox. The only reason they failed to ruin the xbox is because Microsoft have several revenue streams and are not reliant on the xbox, having said that sony still have no answer to compete with several of the xboxs strenghs . Over he years Microsoft were more inventive and developed features so fast sony couldnt get a total upper hand eg superior online play, wide spread backwards compatibility , fast replay, avatars, award points, superior market place, games with gold, gamepass and the list goes on. sony have copied some of these features since with some success but basically not developed their business model much. Relying on if its not broke , why fix it.
They still rely on buying exclusives for their system and trying to force the competition out, they have made some great games but are now forced to release their games on pc as they have realised that the business model of the last 15-20 years is not going to cut it.
Xbox has managed to keep competative regardless what the very driven ps fans say, even after the bad xbox 1 launch that cost them so much after the 360.
Sad that sony still hold their games from releasing on xbox, as their current practices are becoming less effective and will harm them in the long run now.
Need weighted evidence, but that does sound off. Am wondering if I asked around if anyone would be willing to put their name out there.
I mean yeah it’s pretty much an unspoken fact that Sony had a hand in the downfall of Sega as a console company.
I mean just look at how much money they spent making sure the PS1 had stolen IPs and games.
Sega did all this by themselves, and it started with the Saturn. Who shadow drops without any games?
That's what iv'e been saying not all XBOX first party titles are going to other consoles
Everyone's running around spewing that same msg i think a lot of ponies are going to be disappointed when they find out!
There goes the ammo for their little console war😂
And M$ already has like 95% of ps5's games lmao
ps HAS NO GAMES!!!
X Forever 😎
Its very believable that sony would do it.
The developers are lying ,wouldn't Microsoft send out a team to help them
If MS cared or were half way competent then yes.
@amnril bro they did it with balders gate and street fighter which was nich titles, stop the capp a pc guy proves it can work by using pc specs lower than the consol, stop being a fanboy
@@nicholasellis7494 you asked a question, I gave my opinion and then, because you didn’t like my answer, call me a fanboy. Why ask a question if you can’t take someone’s sincere answer because it doesn’t align with you? If it makes you happy….. yes, you are 100% correct… happy now?
During the PS2 era I wouldn't be surprised if and when they did as hardware was still more exotic and having a certain installbase to make it commercially more viable to go to Sony.I don't think you could get away with it in these times while everything is much more accessible and the competition pretty much can go anywhere they want, Phones, handhelds etc etc. Nintendo was pretty hostile as well and if Sony learned from anyone it was definitely them.
Dreamcast was one of my favorite all time consoles. I always thought it had to be something else that helped kill of that console other than the EA refusing to make games for it. Sega countered with Visual Concepts and actually made better sports games than EA. If this is true with Sony and this dev kit fiasco, then I will NEVER BUY a PS new to allow them to count that towards sales. The games will also only be bought used.
As good as the ps2 is its the most overrated old school console. Ppl only bought that console for money hatted 3rd party games like gta San Andreas and re4 along with DVDs. You barely hear anyone say I bought a ps2 because of the great first party games made by sony.
The PS2 ports of games during that console gen are always inferior. It is quite an overrated console. The only reason I like it still is because it plays PS2 and PS1 games. As a standalone console its garbage.
@jacksonjacob7791 I agree
It’s just business folks
I wish sony kept that mentality when they fought tooth and nail to block the Activision merger and acted in bad faith the entire time.
I thought about this - there's a reason that this both makes sense and doesn't. . .
Sega was a little dog at that point, they had messed around with add-ons for the genesis and the Saturn was a disaster.
Xbox was very new, and wasn't taken seriously yet.
However, Nintendo and Sony had bad blood, the N64 and GameCube didn't do so well. . . But Sony would nick developers from them (ie SuckerPunch was originally a Nintendo developer).
The whole piracy thing probably didn't help Sega either when it came to developers.
Exclusives matter in the console business. It might be upsetting if you have certain brand loyalties but if you just enjoy the games youll get over it
Yes they do which is why I am opposed to xbox putting their games on playstation.
The Xbox 360 was literally ran off of 3rd party money hatting.
Actually Sega still took themselves out due to money. Just look at their financial results at the time.
A string of bad decisions before the Dreamcast and the Arcade business experincing a slowdown did hit them hard. They were also spending too much money on games that weren't selling also.
PS2 hype did play a factor but the rumor pratices that Sony did are very unfounded especially if the source is one developer's word aganist the sea of documented evidence. If that was the case then THPS 3 and 4 wouldn't be on xbox or ngc. GTA 3 never made it to Dreamcast due to market conditions. It was PS2 exclusive due to Sony taking the deal over MS who didn't want the deal that Rockstar that was giving them.
For example EA didn't make any Dreamcast games due to being burned on the Saturn and not getting the exclusive right to be the only sports brand on the system. Half Life Dreamcast was canned due to the system not being supported and issues with final polish.
So, a rumor about Sony, with no actual evidence to back it up, is true, while a rumor about xbox, with some slim evidence to back it up, is a complete and utter falsehood, and in the end, more port begging for PlayStation games. What a clown this guy is. Remain legend, Chaos...in your own mind.
It is for sure true - the dream cast came out and playstation played dirty - they are anti consumer.
I loved the Dreamcast BUT truth be told I wished my parents had got me a GameCube as well because apart from the DC we only had the Xbox. We saved money on games easily though because our Xbox had a mod chip inside which let us play pirated discs. A friend would rent blockbuster games then rip them on his old PC and sell us the copied discs for $10 a pop 😂
I hate dirty players!
EA pulled out of support for the DC due Sega using power vr tec rather than 3dfx which EA owned 20% off at the time...doesnt help either sony bulling developers to not publish on dc
Dis is y us Xboy is mad because Microsoft is putting their games on PlayStation
Yes, most likely, they tried to do it cause they already did with nintendo when making their console and stealing 3 of nintendos' best ip through a shady contract.
This is why nintendo dropped making the next console with Sony because they wanted mario, zelda, and metroid.
@@leafstormblaze9449either way, it’s a lose-lose for Nintendo. Betraying Sony or not doesn’t matter.
@@therealjaystone2344, It's a win win for Nintendo, Cause Nintendo get to be the Face of Gaming Industry
It's about Legacy.
When we say about Gaming, Nintendo is the only game company that existed in History.
@therealjaystone2344 my point is, is that they didn't betray the deal sony was trying to rustle 3 of there ips and leave them in the dust after and take full ownership of everything, why would anyone accept that?
$ony: "wee aa a-sowee" 😊
Ah! Yes. If Richard from the internet stated so then it must be true.
And am saying that as the CEO of Sega of course. Which is 100% true because am posting it on the internet.
Let's ignore that dozens of ex Sega developers that don't even work in the industry anymore etc never said such a thing.
I swear some console fans are in a cult. You will think the cultish Xbox guys will relax a little now that they are all jumping to PC and getting out of the console camp but their hatred and misery runs deep.
yep it's all true and btw this is literally nothing in comparison to all the other shit Sony have done
I've always said Sega made a number of mistakes that contributed to their own downfall.
But Sony gave them a big push. Sony used its wallet to win. And it tried the same with XBox. Alnost succeeded, but didn't. Now XBox is bigger.
And while "the whole slate" is going to PS, MS doesn't care about consoles. Content and Cloud is the future.
That sounds like a sony thing
Some Great points, But Not all true, Those GTA Games, GTA 3, Vice City, And GTA San Andreas also
came out on The original XBOX as well, Don't know about the 360 i cant remember, but they were
very good ports to pall. Great video though, I have always known Sony were rats, Look what they did
to the 3DO which could have been a great console if it had of had the wright backing from Games
company's. Maybe even the game cube could of shone brightly to, cause Teck wise that was an Ace
console, It had a Dedicated Radeon Graphics card on board, Just look at some of the graphics on that
little Gem. Way better then the PS2, Don't get me wrong, i grew to really like the PS2 over the years, But
compare some other consoles of that era, and there was better out there that could of trashed Sony
into Little Pieces, I mean look at Panasonic 3DO, That was planned to have the first ever DVD Drive on
it, But because of Cut backs to save money, They Ditched the idea, Could that console have given Sony
a run for It's money, I mean the graphics were terrible on the PS1, What with the wobbly Graphics and
all. They didn't get there act together until the PS3 did they really, And by that time saga could have
took the crown by a mile couldn't they really my friend.
I think Xbox is killing themselves buying all these triple A companies and then put them on game pass they are losing money putting those games on game pass they can’t put out $100-$200 million games and make money just on game pass just not possible
PC gamer shilling for Xbox, GP you own nothing, rent license, I prefer to own, GP standard doesn't even get day and date anymore, they charge more took away main reason to sub, no wonder why it's stagnant
people lost there trust in sega 32x saturn japan wanted saturn usa wanted megadrive with 32x always sega of america japan usa alwaysdidnt get along sega killing there hardware to early that why the dreamcast failed.
Is this really a rumor or just fact? 🤔
It's true because look how sony money hatted the 3rd party games and ppl actually thought they were exclusives. Ppl didn't buy the ps2 for sony made games except for gran turismo.
Wouldn't surprise me from scummy sony !!!
Sony cannot do wrong 😂.
Everybody knows Sony wss the culprit.
I believe Microsoft entering the video game business with Xbox is the reason Sega stopped making consoles.
ms and sega were partners at that time
@@canal_do_muringa That was before microsoft decided to make a console.
Dreamcast used CDROM.. games coming out couldn't fit on it...PS2 had dvd
Loosing EA sports games was a big nail in the coffin
1 analogue stick didn't help either
Sega Dreamcast used GD Roms but you can use Cd Roms on it but the graphics will be downgraded playing from cd rom
dc uses gd rom, but also cd rom
P.s. brits and americans are pronouncing sega incorrectly. Interesting....the singer Bob Segers name is pronounced:
See-ger NOT say-ger THEREFORE the Aussies and Kiwis are correct when they pronounce Sega ( SEE-GA/er )
NOT SAY-GA/er like people do in America, UK and other English speaking nations.
Incorrect. SEGA themselves uses the Say ga pronunciation. They been using it in their commercials since the early eighties. Second, The two EEs create a different sound compared to one e, so using seega when its a different word doesn't prove your point. So try again before trying to shame gamers from other countries.
Did you seriously just say that your 3090 graphics card is better than current consoles?............😂😂😂 dude the 3090 graphics cards are 1080p based cards, hell my 4060 graphics card is 1080p based aswell and every AAA game made since probobly 2015 has to be set to medium settings to run smoothly on my PC. Atleast with the consoles they are 4k ready with ray tracing without any tampering by the consumer at all.
Sega terrible at making hardware
dreamcast is not the case
@ Dreamcast controller sucks
That's why Nintendo left Sony with it's snake plan.
Anyway, Xbox series X and S is garbage that's why it Fail.
Xbox gone full 3rd party now.😊
Nintendo went the handheld route to escape Sony.
Xbox isn't trash. It's ecosystem is massively better than Playstation in value. I own every platform and when you do you can compare. If I buy a game on the Xbox storefront, play anywhere gives me the PC version in the purchase price. Cross play and cross save means the Xbox version cross saves between every device except playstation. With gamepass Ubisoft+ gives you the same benefit plus all the expansions without cost. On PS+ it does not you have to double dip.
This is why, once I have finished my last unfinished game on my PS5 (Ghost) then it will become a Warframe / Netflix box. I am not spending another penny on playstation and despite having owned every playstation console and still playing my PSVita I won't be buying the PS6 because of Sony constantly moneyhatting.
Sony does not have the right to dictate which device I play a game on, and I personally blacklist any developer that accepts moneyhats.
@fvjtfjnx6535 , Nintendo never avoid Sony, Nintendo is the market and innovation leader
"Nintendo Innovate, Sony Imitate"
Look at Ps5 , pathetic console, low sales , flopped Exclusive and the best of all "CONCORD PLAYSTATION BEST EXCLUSIVE GAME IN HISTORY"
😅🤣😂🤣😅🤣😂😅😅🤣 Sony full 3rd party too , because yall don't buy enough games ... 65+ million console and ASTRGAY only sold 1.5 million .... COPE HARDER SONY BRONY