It’s really hard to explain what it takes to work on big ships. This video does a good job of showing how much effort is required to simply remove an old generator!!
Not really. It was a lot of weight we removed and it didn't had an influence on the waterline. But we did our best to get it absolutely straight this time and we can always adjust the hight a bit.
Together with the pedestal we removed about 800kg of copper and steel. The engine is still in place. Now comes the funny bit. It doesn't make any difference on how the boat is sitting in the water.
Thank you for following along. It's really hard to find good shipyard workers nowadays. You really need to be born for this kind of job. You need to be tough but you also need to know quite a lot. I've a huge respect for what they're doing!
@@FlyingConey worked at merce ship yards on the Great Lakes as electrician then Kmd ship repair in Florida as an electrician now retired to bad your so far away would enjoy sorting things out for you…..keep on going forward ….
Hi guys, well you certainly got rid of some weight by getting rid of that generator and by the looks of the bed it was sitting on it had been a replacement for something prior. Perkins engines are great little engines, it would be good to see what condition it’s in as you might be able to use it for a project down the line, either way I’m sure someone would be interested if you want to sell it forward. That was a great move getting the shipyard boys involved, sometimes it’s easier and more practical to use the skill around you than struggle to do it yourself with restricted tools and skills. Great vlog guys, well edited, great music and content. Keep moving forward you’re both going amazingly
I've I'm not mistaken back in the fishing days of the boat there was a tank at this spot. To protect the steel underneath they coated it with a thick layer of grease. Great for the steel but it made cutting it loose insanely smoky and though. In the past few years a lot of older workboats got new stage V engines. So the lads really know how to remove old equipment and put new equipment in. If you know how to do it this can be done fairly quickly. There's no reason for us to buy all this tools and figuring out how to do this job on our own. Plenty of tasks left for us.
G'day Crew, Will be interesting to see what you replace the old generator with , hopefully it's more efficient. Good thing you have many options for the old engine , Access to the hull is always a good thing ,id expect that section of hull to be mostly in good condition due to oil lost from the engine. Personally, i would have tried to do the work "in house" to avoid the expense, even if it did take you guys five times longer . Still great to see progress aboard Flying Coney. Respect....!
5 times was my expectation before they started working. Now I know it would've been 100 times. It was very good we scheduled this task while the boat was on the hard and they have specialized equipment to move heavy stuff in tight engine rooms. The worst part of this task is in the upcoming video. Yes the hull is in very good condition but since they couldn't reach the area underneath the generator they sprayed in grease and oil. Not possible to remove it so the pedestal needed to be removed first. A lot of smoke. Hendrik said it's quite insane and that means something. We still have a second generator aboard. It's a two cylinder Deutz with a low fuel consumption and quite modern.
Daniel & Barbara: Outstanding episode, exposing Flying Coney's bilges will be a huge advantage. Her age and construction is a main consideration with this massive endeavor. Every inch of her hull below the waterline has been examined now reinforcing our belief she will be safer in the future. It's one thing to sail her as a private schooner, quit another to be certified to carry passenger's. Great job and another you can cross off your list. Every episode gets you closer to your dream and we are thrilled this project is going so well.
She is a strong and save ship and it will be lovely to share the experience of sailing a true tall ship. People who want to sail with us (You?) will be part of the crew and we will sail her together. Since sharing the knowledge is our focus that's the best way. We will stay registered as a pleasure craft since we would need different engines and generators for a sailing passenger vessel. But that doesn't mean we're taking shortcuts when it comes to safety.
We installed a mighty Perkins P3 in our yacht in 1964. Sold in Australia as the Ford Albacore Marine diesel it was marinised with direct salt water cooling.High compression and vibration, no decompression, we had 15 years trouble free operations with parts at the Ford Dealer from the Dexter Tractor catalogue.
It was quite scary and funny to watch Jans non reaction. This heavy thing was swinging directly towards him and not the slightest concern was visible. I think he was more concerned about making a dent in the generator if it hits him.
The old P3 was about forty horsepower or more--superb old engine. The new 3 cylinder engines , less than thirty horsepower. Perkins and Gardner made the best small to medium engines, with Lister, Blackstone and Petter not far behind. I would definitely keep that engine.
While not your problem, the shipyard should look into some industrial Ventilators with hoses. One hose to draw the smoke out and one hose to push clean air in on the opposite side of the hull. They use these in mining and construction where there is smoke, paint fumes and other air contamination. Exciting to see all that open space in the ship, can't wait to see what you do with the interior.
Getting the generator out was the easiest part of the job. Getting the pedestal out was one of the toughest jobs I've ever seen. The longer it took the more fans accumulated in the engine rooms. They had a hose running out of the engine room door and Flying Coney looked like a steam ship while Hendrik was cutting away the pedestal.
Glad to hear they were prepared and up for the task. I just worried about everyone’s breathing health without masks or respirators with all that smoke.
The lads from the shipyard are professionals and Jan is the yard boss. They have respirators and safety equipment and it's on them to decide when to use it.
Yes this will be done. But there's no rust in the engine room. People don't understand that our hull never was painted white. The hull plates have a grey to black finish. Technically alright but not beautiful.
We need hydraulic for the steering, for the anchor windlass and for a bow thruster. We will go with a traditional rig without any winches. Block and tackle it is. I find it fascinating that it's possible to sail a relatively large ship just only with human power and the wind of course.
Your shipyard guys are real toilers, it does my heart good to see people get stuck in and get a job done. As a retired maintenance engineer I can relate to the difficulties of getting rid of that heavy gear. Good on you guys. Thanks for the video, good content.
They lads are born for this kind of work. They enjoy that they're facing a different challenge each and every day and they're not scared of doing hard work.
That was a very innovative way to make an improvised generator. That said, it needed to go. Improvised machinery is great if the proper kit is prohibitively expensive or unavailable, but that's not the case anymore. You could probably get a genset thats half the size with twice the output and isnt unreasonably priced to replace it.
Some people look like their job, and the mechanic looks like a mechanic even if he's in a different setting without the clothes that identify him as such.
We have a 6kva Deutz generator and we will install a 8000 watt inverter. 12-15 people need a lot of electricity and we opt for electric induction cooking.
Things happen quickly in the shipyard. We wanted to keep the alternator and decide later what we want to do with it. Hendrik thought it's easier to squeeze it through the engine room door if he cuts the feet. Not worth to spend a lot of time to fit new feet to it and not a huge market anyway so we decided to sell it for scrap value to a scrap dealer. We still have the engine.
A little engine like that doesn't make any difference for the stability of the boat. it didn't even change the waterline and we're still floating level.
Probably not that guy's not going to be stripping. All that the boatyard probably charged him for removal of it, and then made extra on the back end with the recycling
Selling the generator to a scrap dealer brought less than we thought. Unfortunately nobody here wants to see us dismantling it here on this channel. But that doesn't mean we can't restore the Perkins.
It's a lube oil tank. We might want to use this one as a second day tank. Can you imagine how much oil must have been used that someone thought carrying 200 liters of oil makes sense?
Weniger als wir dachten und fürs zerlegen fehlt uns leider die Zeit. Ein bisschen haben wir bekommen und was das Kupfer bleibt im Umlauf was gut für die Umwelt ist.
We worked about 12-14 hours during the shipyard time and in German it's called a "Podest". I'm happy if anyone who watches the videos does understand what I'm saying. About 95% of our audience doesn't speak or understand German, that's why we're making the videos in English. Of course it would be a lot easier to speak my mother tongue.
Yes it might have been possible to remove the genset while the boat is in the water. We made a plan together with the shipyard and they decided to do everything on the hard. This way they could use the big crane to hoist it out and cutting the pedestal into pieces while the boat is in the water would be insanely stupid.
No, it's more about making room for projects down the line. Of course we recycle the old steel and the copper but removing it is far more expensive than the money you get from the scrap dealer.
It’s really hard to explain what it takes to work on big ships. This video does a good job of showing how much effort is required to simply remove an old generator!!
I hope you were able to recycle the copper in that generator welder. There was a lot of weight so the copper was worth a lot of money. 👍
Yes we recycled the alternator of the generator and got a little bit money back.
Well done! Now the waterline becomes higher😊
Not really. It was a lot of weight we removed and it didn't had an influence on the waterline. But we did our best to get it absolutely straight this time and we can always adjust the hight a bit.
It’s amazing to see all that heavy steel machinery coming out of Flying Coney. I suspect she will be really flying once your refit is complete!!
Together with the pedestal we removed about 800kg of copper and steel. The engine is still in place. Now comes the funny bit. It doesn't make any difference on how the boat is sitting in the water.
Enjoy watching your journey with the flying coney brings back memories of working in the ship yards.
Thank you for following along. It's really hard to find good shipyard workers nowadays. You really need to be born for this kind of job. You need to be tough but you also need to know quite a lot. I've a huge respect for what they're doing!
@@FlyingConey worked at merce ship yards on the Great Lakes as electrician then Kmd ship repair in Florida as an electrician now retired to bad your so far away would enjoy sorting things out for you…..keep on going forward ….
I love your enthusiasm ! Great background music too ! Thank you
Thanks! Music choice is always difficult because is so important for the video. Glad you liked it!
Hi guys, well you certainly got rid of some weight by getting rid of that generator and by the looks of the bed it was sitting on it had been a replacement for something prior. Perkins engines are great little engines, it would be good to see what condition it’s in as you might be able to use it for a project down the line, either way I’m sure someone would be interested if you want to sell it forward. That was a great move getting the shipyard boys involved, sometimes it’s easier and more practical to use the skill around you than struggle to do it yourself with restricted tools and skills. Great vlog guys, well edited, great music and content. Keep moving forward you’re both going amazingly
I've I'm not mistaken back in the fishing days of the boat there was a tank at this spot. To protect the steel underneath they coated it with a thick layer of grease. Great for the steel but it made cutting it loose insanely smoky and though. In the past few years a lot of older workboats got new stage V engines. So the lads really know how to remove old equipment and put new equipment in. If you know how to do it this can be done fairly quickly. There's no reason for us to buy all this tools and figuring out how to do this job on our own. Plenty of tasks left for us.
G'day Crew,
Will be interesting to see what you replace the old generator with , hopefully it's more efficient.
Good thing you have many options for the old engine ,
Access to the hull is always a good thing ,id expect that section of hull to be mostly in good condition due to oil lost from the engine.
Personally,
i would have tried to do the work "in house" to avoid the expense, even if it did take you guys five times longer .
Still great to see progress aboard Flying Coney.
Respect....!
5 times was my expectation before they started working. Now I know it would've been 100 times. It was very good we scheduled this task while the boat was on the hard and they have specialized equipment to move heavy stuff in tight engine rooms. The worst part of this task is in the upcoming video. Yes the hull is in very good condition but since they couldn't reach the area underneath the generator they sprayed in grease and oil. Not possible to remove it so the pedestal needed to be removed first. A lot of smoke. Hendrik said it's quite insane and that means something. We still have a second generator aboard. It's a two cylinder Deutz with a low fuel consumption and quite modern.
Daniel & Barbara: Outstanding episode, exposing Flying Coney's bilges will be a huge advantage. Her age and construction is a main consideration with this massive endeavor. Every inch of her hull below the waterline has been examined now reinforcing our belief she will be safer in the future. It's one thing to sail her as a private schooner, quit another to be certified to carry passenger's. Great job and another you can cross off your list. Every episode gets you closer to your dream and we are thrilled this project is going so well.
She is a strong and save ship and it will be lovely to share the experience of sailing a true tall ship. People who want to sail with us (You?) will be part of the crew and we will sail her together. Since sharing the knowledge is our focus that's the best way. We will stay registered as a pleasure craft since we would need different engines and generators for a sailing passenger vessel. But that doesn't mean we're taking shortcuts when it comes to safety.
We installed a mighty Perkins P3 in our yacht in 1964. Sold in Australia as the Ford Albacore Marine diesel it was marinised with direct salt water cooling.High compression and vibration, no decompression, we had 15 years trouble free operations with parts at the Ford Dealer from the Dexter Tractor catalogue.
Good to hear! We really try to find an alternative purpose for this engine. It would be lovely to keep it!
Watching that 1000 lbs generator unit swinging through the tight space was terrifying.
It was quite scary and funny to watch Jans non reaction. This heavy thing was swinging directly towards him and not the slightest concern was visible. I think he was more concerned about making a dent in the generator if it hits him.
The install must have been very good to last so long. interesting update 2x👍
Hi Guys,
Slowly but surely Flying Coney is making progress in her restoration to a beautiful schooner
The old P3 was about forty horsepower or more--superb old engine. The new 3 cylinder engines , less than thirty horsepower. Perkins and Gardner made the best small to medium engines, with Lister, Blackstone and Petter not far behind. I would definitely keep that engine.
Great work well done👍👏👏
A lot of secure, picking points on a steel vessel 😊
You are correct. The Perkins will be fixed as you may want.
While not your problem, the shipyard should look into some industrial Ventilators with hoses. One hose to draw the smoke out and one hose to push clean air in on the opposite side of the hull. They use these in mining and construction where there is smoke, paint fumes and other air contamination. Exciting to see all that open space in the ship, can't wait to see what you do with the interior.
Getting the generator out was the easiest part of the job. Getting the pedestal out was one of the toughest jobs I've ever seen. The longer it took the more fans accumulated in the engine rooms. They had a hose running out of the engine room door and Flying Coney looked like a steam ship while Hendrik was cutting away the pedestal.
Glad to hear they were prepared and up for the task. I just worried about everyone’s breathing health without masks or respirators with all that smoke.
The lads from the shipyard are professionals and Jan is the yard boss. They have respirators and safety equipment and it's on them to decide when to use it.
I've watched you and Ran over the years bith very good
I love this video ❤, thanks for the good music
Time for a complete clean out and paint engine room.
Yes this will be done. But there's no rust in the engine room. People don't understand that our hull never was painted white. The hull plates have a grey to black finish. Technically alright but not beautiful.
Well done!
Yes hang onto that little engine. Many uses, I was thinking hydraulic pump for power winches.
We need hydraulic for the steering, for the anchor windlass and for a bow thruster. We will go with a traditional rig without any winches. Block and tackle it is. I find it fascinating that it's possible to sail a relatively large ship just only with human power and the wind of course.
@ Yes I sailed on Bark Europa Melbourne to Hobart in 2013. Also sailing M to H next week on a Helberg Rassy 38 .
Your shipyard guys are real toilers, it does my heart good to see people get stuck in and get a job done. As a retired maintenance engineer I can relate to the difficulties of getting rid of that heavy gear. Good on you guys. Thanks for the video, good content.
Thank you! This lads are really tough. Nothing that can't be done and they work fast and get the job done.
really interesting how they moved that generator laterally with chain hoists
I love the story you two are telling of this fine old ship. It brings great joy to so many of us. Thank you!
Lovely comment! Thank you!
Those two guys are great... can't be fun moving that around.
They lads are born for this kind of work. They enjoy that they're facing a different challenge each and every day and they're not scared of doing hard work.
That was a very innovative way to make an improvised generator. That said, it needed to go. Improvised machinery is great if the proper kit is prohibitively expensive or unavailable, but that's not the case anymore. You could probably get a genset thats half the size with twice the output and isnt unreasonably priced to replace it.
Gday guys
Loving the soundtrack! You guys ever rock turbonegro?
A generator... that's a lot of expensive copper!
Crazy shit.
Some people look like their job, and the mechanic looks like a mechanic even if he's in a different setting without the clothes that identify him as such.
Can't tell...do you two know when...to say when? Ha
Bull headed determination! DBL ha
Nice big powerplants. How much leccy you need? I use an air cooled lister 3.5kw. great plant. Am not sitting watching the telly...to be fair!
We have a 6kva Deutz generator and we will install a 8000 watt inverter. 12-15 people need a lot of electricity and we opt for electric induction cooking.
I suppose you could sell the engine if It works? What about the generator, is there a call for it. Or is it to old?👍👍
Things happen quickly in the shipyard. We wanted to keep the alternator and decide later what we want to do with it. Hendrik thought it's easier to squeeze it through the engine room door if he cuts the feet. Not worth to spend a lot of time to fit new feet to it and not a huge market anyway so we decided to sell it for scrap value to a scrap dealer. We still have the engine.
😃😃😃
Y would never had gotten rid off that generator... You wil never get anything better ...
They will.
Will you need to replace the weight of the generator with ballast to maintain stability?
A little engine like that doesn't make any difference for the stability of the boat. it didn't even change the waterline and we're still floating level.
So the tank with sails will hoist it's sails again? 👍⛵🛡
That's the whole point of this project. She was a fast sailing ship and we will convert her back into one.
Probably not that guy's not going to be stripping. All that the boatyard probably charged him for removal of it, and then made extra on the back end with the recycling
Sell the copper wire of the generator use the money to rebuild the Perkins
Selling the generator to a scrap dealer brought less than we thought. Unfortunately nobody here wants to see us dismantling it here on this channel. But that doesn't mean we can't restore the Perkins.
Great job by the lads from the yard bit more room in engine room what is the tank above where generator was 😊😊
Diesel tank?
It's a lube oil tank. We might want to use this one as a second day tank. Can you imagine how much oil must have been used that someone thought carrying 200 liters of oil makes sense?
I'll bet there was a bob or two of scrap copper in that 400kg of old generator.
Der Generator könnte etwas Geld einbringen... Kupfer ist teuer
Weniger als wir dachten und fürs zerlegen fehlt uns leider die Zeit. Ein bisschen haben wir bekommen und was das Kupfer bleibt im Umlauf was gut für die Umwelt ist.
Daniel I'm not meaning to make fun of you but I have never heard someone call a ped-es-tal a po-des-tal. Spelled pedestal.
We worked about 12-14 hours during the shipyard time and in German it's called a "Podest". I'm happy if anyone who watches the videos does understand what I'm saying. About 95% of our audience doesn't speak or understand German, that's why we're making the videos in English. Of course it would be a lot easier to speak my mother tongue.
That is ridiculous you do not use shipyard time for this unless you have an unlimited budget.
Well the ship was there having other work done,so why not. The shipyard had the means and the know how.
Yes it might have been possible to remove the genset while the boat is in the water. We made a plan together with the shipyard and they decided to do everything on the hard. This way they could use the big crane to hoist it out and cutting the pedestal into pieces while the boat is in the water would be insanely stupid.
Are you selling your scrap to fund other expenses?
No, it's more about making room for projects down the line. Of course we recycle the old steel and the copper but removing it is far more expensive than the money you get from the scrap dealer.