A brave and stunning move would be to produce a film set in an Islamic Mosque (masjid), where progressive values such as pro-gay and pro-divorce are being discussed by the new Islamic Leadership. But I highly doubt that a Hollywood studio would have the guts or balls to pull that off.
Closest you're going to get is the PBS/BBC 80s docudrama "Death of A Princess". Big Oil and the Reagan Admin. landed on PBS not to air it. It aired once then vanished but you can now find it here on youtube. It stars Paul Freeman. He was the bad guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark. With music by Vangelis.
I'm not even Catholic and I find Hollywood's depiction of Roman Catholics offensive. Most of the stuff they hate about Catholics would apply for us "sola scriptura" Protestants too.
Hollywood's attacks are what is known as confession through projection. They've found an organization seemingly guilty of that which they know they are, so they launch their barrage. Not sure if this is done out of insecurity or as a diversion, though.
What the other Abrahamic religion? Isnt it weird, that sure they dont have the balls to do a movie about the people who will actually bomb them, but they also dont have the balls to do it to their own religion... almost like you know deep down the tribe actually kind of hates the Christians.
@@M-S_4321 I Dom't watch most of the films & TV shows coming out lately, but happy to watch YT reviews, as they are infinitely more entertaining and better written LOL.
Life long Catholic here. This is Hollywood continuing to gaslight you into thinking "You're the only one who feels this way, EVERYONE else thinks like us"
There like a few hundred activists, each with hundreds of social media profiles They know they are outnumbered, but they must spread their disease at all costs.
Skip this and watch "The Shoes of the Fisherman" in which Anthony Quinn plays a Russian Archbishop who is elected Pope at a critical juncture in history: China and Russia are going to war. His actions at the end of the film avert this catastrophe.
I called it when I saw the trailer. My friend said it looked good and I replied, "it will be filled with woke agenda; Hollywood can't make a movie nowadays without THE MESSAGE, but especially a movie about the Catholic church."
My wife watched this the other day and was telling me about it, she said it was real blah. This after I said 'that looks terrible'. She said there was a surprise. I said 'let me guess something ghay or trans right?'
It's too bad we're not allowed to discuss the depth of what's actually taking place behind the scenes which is driving all the narrative. Needless to say, it is biblical. Literally.
Tol Er Ance is not a virtue. It is not a Chris Tian vir Tue. The bible requires conservancy. Any position contrary is anti-Chris Tian. Is there another word for the hyphen?
This movie has a stellar cast, and I was really looking forward to it. I let my guard down for once and face the usual disappointment. Oh well, back to avoiding the usual gender-bending nonsense and watching my old shows and movies, instead. 🙄
@@Rory_ODwyer Sheesh where do I begin? The feminist girl boss stuff and the way men were portrayed as dumb brutes for starters. The Love character being able to fight with K is just ludicrous. K could destroy her with one hand tied behind his back in real life.
Ralph Fiennes is rapidly becoming the new Charles Dance/Mark Strong, being far too talented & classy for the bilge he is being cast in. I can only presume they see these things as being "bill payers". This is a re-tread of the myth of the female Pope "Pope Joan" c. 13th Century. I know Hollywood are lacking in originality, but a 800 year old story? Come on now.
You know, if they actually told THAT story in its supposed setting and using the story that has been passed down (not a modern transgender thing), it could be genuinely interesting. However, they wouldn't be able to handle that. Historical accuracy, even in legends, is not Hollywood's strong suit.
@@ChaoticYak1 There have been at least two, one in 1972 & one in 2009. 😀 Mind you, I'm not sure you can have historical accuracy regarding what is, essentially, a myth.
@@JustTooDamnHonest Communism has historically galvanized actors via mobilizing the "marginalized" or self perceived "marginalized" against a cohort of relatively well to do populace in a move to grab power. In this case it is the "oppressed" versus the "normative", the motive being information control.
"Man love thursday" is a thing over there. Or, at least it was when I was in Iraq and Kuwait. (Shudders at the mental image of the queues) My time in Army had some interesting events, but the euphemism 'make your buddy happy' was never quite so literal as the locals took it.
On a complete side note. I’m an American Protestant, but have a degree in Ecclesiastical History from the University of Durham in England, so I’m familiar with the elements of Catholicism. Anyway, I joined the army as an officer. While I was working in Jordan, Pope Francis came to Amman to hold mass. I was selected to work security with the Jordanian SF teams and the Swiss Guard. The Pope wanted to meet his protectors, and say hello to us. He held out his ring, and I explained I was Baptist, and didn’t think it was right, but it was an honor to meet him. He said the honor was his and blessed me. I have lots of Catholics friends, and they can’t believe I got blessed by the pope, and they’ve never even seen him in person.
It's not woke. It shows both sides of the argument that's going on in the church right now and that has been for decades. Some cardinals want to liberalise because they are losing members, while some want to go more conservative. The writers actually had me siding with the conservative papal candidate after the bombing when he did his speech decrying Islam. So it definitely isn't one-sided. The trans twist isn't even that crazy, there will definitely be priests in real life that are trans that we don't know about. The writers didn't even make it a good thing that they became the pope, it was portrayed as a massive mistake and disaster. Conservatives can be just as triggered as progressives, look how upset you are getting over a movie that you haven't even seen. It's embarrassing. It shows a distinct lack of reason when you use rhetoric like 'woke' I mean imagine still using that in 2024, it's such a boomer Facebook term that people throw out to trivialise anything that they think is against their own agenda. People can't even watch movies anymore without getting upset and worrying about their own agendas. It's just a movie, it's not real.
I watched 'Conclave' a couple of nights ago. I watched it for the star power names, and was terribly let down by the extremes put forth by the writing. It was only with the help of the contents of a bottle of Auchentoshan, that was I able to refrain from hurling the remote into the television.
Thanks for saving me the cringe of watching this movie. Sadly, so much these days are unwatchable. The spoiler is just more of the garbage that the media throws at use constantly. The human race is headed into dystopia. Some of your observations about the characters are sadly true in modern world. Since they are so far from Biblical dogma, I wonder why they are even serving in the church hierarchy. SMH.
To be perfectly Fair: the movie has their new pope wind up being intersex and they didn't even find out until well in adulthood. Comparing the plight of the intersex to the rest of the trans community is about as Fair as comparing one adult homosexual wanting to marry an another adult homosexual with the sort of people that call themselves MAPS. It is neither accurate or fair. There are distinctions and distinctions matter. The whole alphabet soup community is already showing rather dramatic signs of fracturing over this and similar issues. The current social crisis was caused by a bunch of different social minorities getting so desperate that they grouped together without paying attention to the quality of the individual groups and now that they've become a social force to be reckoned with and have time for introspection are starting to realize they've made some rather dramatic errors. It's a bit like Ukraine getting invaded by Russia;of course they're going to let the Neo-Nazi social factions fight alongside the rest of the troops.... Their survival as a nation was at stake. When the smoke clears though the factions are going to realize they're not compatible in the long term and one or the other will gain dominance. And unfortunately between the start of the war and the end some pretty dramatic crimes are probably going to happen along the way that a lot of people are going to wind up regretting.
The Ukraine analogy works more thoroughly and grim than that. But their actual "ally" was NATO -- who prodded them to antagonize the Russians to hurt the Russians. The Not-Sees were merely the more aggressive and useful party to that end. But as these things always go, to antagonize Russia on its borders is to invite ruin -- utter and permanent ruin. The'll chew through your best men like a plodding industrial meatgrinder... then they'll chew up your next best, then the next, and then the last men you have. What's left of your nation has seen the last of its best days -- your genetic stock of even mildly patriotic men turned into fertilizer. All babies born to your nation after that will be the offspring of the weak of mind, body, and will. This is what happened to France and then Germany. Ukraine volunteered for their own permanent anihilaiton. The KIA of Ukranian men is currently 600 to 900 thousand. Almost all of those men were the bravest and first to fight. The mission was doomed from the start and everyone who knew even a little world history concluded that the day Russia decided to step foot into Ukraine with war intentions. Likewise, the people conned into these social justice movements weren't those who created the movement... those political actors are well away from the battlefield. They went to war against fundamental human nature. Every last time this has ever been attempted, it brought those who attempted it to ruin... especially those on the front lines. Why is this so relevant? Because the Russians themselves went to war against human nature as part of the Soviet Union. Even with their solidly implacable and grinding nature, they lost against an undefeated and undefeatable opponnent: human nature. If they persisted, they would've ceased to exist. IF Stalin had lived for even a decade longer, there would likely be no Russia today... having been purged of all it's intellectuals and those who remained would've mostly starved. Their genetic stock of intellect and soldiers would've been nil -- they'd never have recovered. This is why identity politics was destined to fail -- sooner or later. Not because of the factions -- though that's proven to be their achilles heel -- but because they went to war against an undefeatable opponent who can burn through every resource in the known universe before losing ground... human nature. Why? Because it was their own selfish human nature that caused them to go to war in the first place. They couldn't defeat even their own nature -- so they'd never be able to defeat anyone else's. You can't use your nature to defeat your nature... because it's still your nature and must still act in accordance with reality in order for you to survive. Put another way -- you can't use your nature for war to fight your nature for war... because when you gain ground you lose your nature for war and the war ends for lack of motive. This is why all the major "sins" were denoted. They're sins because they're all about self control to prevent self destruction. They have nothing to do with being nice to others -- though that's the end result. They have everything to do with self preservation. When the Marksist project decided to use identity politics, they were still unable to see their originating fallacy: that human nature can be forced to be something else. They never seem to understand that everyone possesses their same implacable will to survive and control their environment. The thing which drives the Marksists to attack human nature is, itself, part of the fundamental nature of every living creature on this planet. They went to war with a weapon they were determined to usurp... like eating your cake and still having it. The first law of thermodynamics makes that an impossibility. But humans will still try. They'll constantly believe they're smarter than 4 billion years of evolution and the laws of physics. We'll continue to be trapped on this finite mudball until mankind figures out that going to war against our nature is forever fail.
Francis approved of this script... I'm so surprised... The job of the Church is to be stalwart in all times and not cave to culture. Francis forgot that tenant.
The Church has never been a stalwart at anything other than trying to maintain its own power. It used the Spanish Empire as its weapon and lost to the might of protestant Great Britain and the religiously free Dutch Republic which existed as a result of being oppressed and degraded by Spanish catholic tyrants.
There was a series called "Nothing Sacred" about an outgoing, young progressive priest bannished to an inner city parish where all the "troublesome" clergy were dumped. It had all the tropes a traditional church would have to face in these "modern times" including a woman lay person who wanted to be a priest. It had decent writing and was lauded by critics but a Catholic group launched a letter writing campaign and got it taken off the air. A few episodes can be found here at youtube.
My immediate thought when I first saw the trailers for this movie was "how will they malign the Church this time?" followed closely by "Ralphe Fiennes and John Lithgow? aw man.... a movie like this could have been good"
A movie that negatively portrays the catholic church? Wow, I wonder who was involved in making that. I don't even need to see the early life. I already know.
"Tolerance" - Bellini shows how broken his views really are. I thought it was a condemning revelation on how the roman catholic church is still wrapped up in its power plays far more than anything of the faith.
In this case the pope was intersex and everyone who voted for him as the pope thought he was a biological male. Heck, the cardinal who became pope _himself_ thought he was biological male and didn't discover his intersex condition until well into adulthood when an appendicitis operation revealed the truth.
Is the Catholic church not already the most inclusive and diverse religion on the planet? South America,Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, India, Africa, Carribean etc?
WRT the Pope, he has always been at the centre of the Church as regent, *but* the local representative has been the local bishop. The Pope has historically never micro-manged the faith and is usually either the judge of last resort in the case of disputes or the primus that seals ecumenical councils. If the Bishop do their jobs faithfully properly, there is no need of the Pope. The fact that the Pope has so much attention is proof positive that something is very wrong with the Church today. I agree with St John Henry's objection the Vatican I. He object to it, not because there is a problem with the declaration that Pope is infallible but because of the side effects it would have, namely the Pope might think he has more power than he does (e.g. to recklessly change the mass) or that good bishops would give up their responsibilities to tend their flock (it's the Pope's job, I'll just be faithful to whatever he says) while bad bishops would do whatever they can get away with (if I'm not being punished or can delay punishment long enough, it must mean I'm doing my job). This ends up in a viscious cycle where the Pope has more and more focus while the flock are abandoned until the centre cannot hold and we're left with a (possibly anti-) Pope Francis.
They got a movie starring Lord Voldemort, Lord Farquaad, Enzo Ferrari and Lisle from Death Becomes Her.....and they managed to make it cringe. What a waste. Edit : This is WORSE than cringe
They wanted to shock and disturb people. Then people who have even a basic understanding of history remember the legend of Pope Joan, look at this, and shrug.
Watching this movie, especially all the way to the end, made me mad. I really enjoyed the cast of the movie, but whenever it came to the end, and they pulled the shenanigans that they pulled, it just made me mad and let me know that Hollywooddoes not think of anything as sacred.
Robert Harris has written some good books. I can't recommend his Cicero trilogy about ancient Roman political shenanigans highly enough. However his other books vary in quality and can be quite silly. The Fear Index, which is a murder mystery set in a hedge fund company, ends with the revelation that the automated trading software that runs the hedge fund is behind the murders since it became self aware like Skynet!
I've noticed a rise in the twist being that a character was gay or trans in many of these overly dramatic films that have been coming out. That's what they think is original and creative. They deserve to lose money.
The character was neither gay nor trans (well, not in the usual sense at least) but intersex. He thought was biologically male and didn't discover he was intersex until well into adulthood.
Thanks for this. I was on the fence about CONCLAVE because I dig religious thrillers and the Catholic church is a fascinating establishment force, a bizarre mix of great good and profound evil. People told me this movie was blasphemous, but one man's blasphemy is another man's push back against rigid unquestioning blind faith. But this sounds like tepid blasphemy through the predictable prism of the "modern audience." I guess my only question would be: Does the Robert Harris's novel, the original source material, have the same twist ending? If so, we can't really blame the filmmakers, other than deciding to make it. I also think Ralph Fiennes is one of the best actors alive, but wow he picks a ton of transgressive shit to appear in. THE ENGLISH PATIENT is a deeply evil CASABLANCA-inverting anti-heroic work of genius, and that's just the top of the Fiennes dark pyramid of a career.
I can't believe I'm hearing this, I had so much interest in seeing this film, but now I don't want to see it because it's everything wrong with political stories today.
I read the plot summary, turns out he was born intersex with functioning male organs, but an inert uterus which he didn't know about until later in life but decided to keep.
Years ago, poking fun and mocking Christainity was at one point considered fresh and bold (like when Life of Brian came out), but now it's become tired and worn-out, kind of like a comedian who tells the exact same joke for the last ten years and never changes or writes up any new material. Do something like this with another religion, like a certain ''Peaceful Religion of Peacefullness'' and then I'll be impressed.
Sure and yet Protestants would laughably agree with everything in this flick, from the corruption to the degeneracy and validation for why they aren't part of the Church.
Congrats on topping the bestseller list! 😂 I'm agnostic, and often enjoy films that challenge religious narratives, especially in historical settings where it had much more of a hold on society at large. But it needs to be intelligent, thought provoking and original. This just sounds like lazy smush designed to make the NPCs bark like seals.
@@TF80s That's what I was wondering. Considering that the subject matter sounds all rather boring to spend hundreds of millions on a movie, that ending probably was the reason someone purchased the rights for the book.
There was a movie about that in the 70s , she was one of the pope John's, they added the balls test afterwards, ( pope Joan) liv ullman and Franco Nero
Well, sort of. The person who became pope was an intersex person who naturally looked like a biological man. It wasn't until after he became an ordained minister that he found out about his intersex condition, and everyone who voted for him to be the pope thought he was a biological male.
When Hollywood demons make a movie about the church, this is what you get. Who wants to bet it gets nominated for an Academy Award for its “stunning and brave” storytelling? 3:52
I'd really like to see your take on the recent film Heretic starring Hugh Grant. I understand it tackles the issues of religion as a means of control while not being entirely unsympathetic to indivdual spirituality and belief itself.
I'm afraid Dave was misleading here; the pope wasn't trans (at least not in the ordinary sense). He was an intersex man who naturally appeared biologically male, and he wasn't aware he was intersex until well into adulthood.
@MaverickChristian even if it's misleading, it's still unnecessary and absurd. It didn't have anything to do with the film itself, and people need to stop making movies about Catholics if they just hate them and what they believe Catholics believe.
The Pope is the Prime Minister of Jesus, this has been consistently taught since the beginning. Faith is also personal, they are not mutually exclusive. Someone needs to be the clarifier on what the faith teaches, it is nonsensical that we interpret the faith our own way. We may have different angles that we come at it but that doesn't mean the underlying truth is different from person to person. To say so is no different than relativism, just applied to God. The Pope is there to protect that underlying truth while being an image of unity.
Thank you. Thank you for pronouncing Ralph the correct way, not the ridiculously pretentious way Ralph would like her to pronounce it. Your name is Ralph, Ralph, get used to it!
Thanks Dave. Don't feel bad about plugging your book, please do! You deserve all the success in the world, and you have created such fine content here for years, I'll be buying your book soon.
With respect, Dave, Christ left behind the Apostolic Succession and the Magisterium that arose from it for a reason. There’s a reason the Catholic Church is one of the two OGs of the Faith(and, technically, THE original Christian faith as the Succession traces back all the way to Peter). It’s why I’m becoming not just Christian but Catholic as well.
They aren't the OGs by any means, they got a committee together, crafted the new testament, branded anything that was contrary to their very earthly goals of power and control as 'apocrypha' and designed succession to validate the Roman Empire and its succession of Emperors (and later divine right of Kings). OGs are the Orthodox church and Gnostic sects, not the catholics.
I really liked it. Ralph Fiennes was excellent and Ed Berger's a really remarkable filmmaker. If you can, check out his miniseries Patrick Melrose with Benedict Cumberbatch. It's truly phenomenal.
I have no love for some of the particulars of Catholic dogmas or ecclesiology but even coming from a Protestant branch of the faith, I'm so sick and tired of seeing how Catholicism is maligned by the media.
The guy who became pope wasn't trans; he was an intersex person who naturally looked like a biological male. The guy didn't even know he was intersex until well into adulthood and after he was already an ordained priest.
It is sad that a film with such beautiful cinematography, elegant set design, well crafted costuming, superb acting and a fairly riveting plot, had to have gender politics shoehorned into the end. It seemed so out of place, almost as if it were an afterthought. Aside from the intersex person who became central to the contrived twist, what I found equally off putting was how the film equated conservatism with racism and bigotry.
A brave and stunning move would be to produce a film set in an Islamic Mosque (masjid), where progressive values such as pro-gay and pro-divorce are being discussed by the new Islamic Leadership. But I highly doubt that a Hollywood studio would have the guts or balls to pull that off.
No doubt needed. You know it won't happen
@scots2129 pretty sure of it! LOL
It would be a very short movie
Closest you're going to get is the PBS/BBC 80s docudrama "Death of A Princess". Big Oil and the Reagan Admin. landed on PBS not to air it.
It aired once then vanished but you can now find it here on youtube. It stars Paul Freeman. He was the bad guy in Raiders of the Lost Ark. With music by Vangelis.
Lol. Well said.
I'm not even Catholic and I find Hollywood's depiction of Roman Catholics offensive. Most of the stuff they hate about Catholics would apply for us "sola scriptura" Protestants too.
Same here. Any attack on Christendom is broadly an attack on all Christians.
Except the Catholic church has actual power and influence in the world. That's why they keep talking s*** about it.
Same here. I'll disagree forever with Catholics on Mary and the Pope but will never bow to the notion that the Bible is anything but the Word of God.
As a Catholic I thank you for calling this movie out as offensive.
Hollywood's attacks are what is known as confession through projection. They've found an organization seemingly guilty of that which they know they are, so they launch their barrage. Not sure if this is done out of insecurity or as a diversion, though.
I wonder if they would do something like this with Islam?
Not with the threat of death squads and suicide bombers turning the film studio into rubble!
@@Otokichi786 I can't even say 1 word of your sentence without being censored how do you do it?
What the other Abrahamic religion? Isnt it weird, that sure they dont have the balls to do a movie about the people who will actually bomb them, but they also dont have the
balls to do it to their own religion... almost like you know deep down the tribe actually kind of hates the Christians.
no no you don't understand; non whites can't handle criticism and we can't hold them to the same standards, they aren't capable you see.
Yeah, I think they learned from Carlie Hebdo how that would work out for them.
Well, I am Catholic, and I wasn't planning to see this movie anyway, but your review just gives me another reason not to.
Dave Cullen-watching bad movies so we don’t have to.
I wouldn't watch it even if he hadn't.
Where's his parade?
Wouldn't have ever watched it anyway, but appreciated all the same.
@@M-S_4321 I Dom't watch most of the films & TV shows coming out lately, but happy to watch YT reviews, as they are infinitely more entertaining and better written LOL.
😂 😂 😂
They're turnin' the freakin' Popes GAY!
They have always been.
I thought he already was!
One of their most well known Popes was a crime lord(Rodrigo Borgia).
They were already p do, so…
@@dsmyify 100% beat me to it
Life long Catholic here. This is Hollywood continuing to gaslight you into thinking "You're the only one who feels this way, EVERYONE else thinks like us"
There like a few hundred activists, each with hundreds of social media profiles They know they are outnumbered, but they must spread their disease at all costs.
I guess this film makes the case that the Devil runs Hollywood.
… and the Catholic Church
...always has, always will.
...and the US government, starting Jan 20
Babylon Bee has been killing it with depicting Satan as a smug guy promoting Hollyweird.
Of course this was made to blaspheme God... this is Hollyweird after all.
This, but they'll be sorry they did.
who runs hollywood?
Hollywood is basically a Satanic temple. Did you really expect them not to blaspheme God because it's like all they mostly do.
wouldn't have been prodewced otherwise
@@sujoywilliam2905gremlins
Skip this and watch "The Shoes of the Fisherman" in which Anthony Quinn plays a Russian Archbishop who is elected Pope at a critical juncture in history: China and Russia are going to war. His actions at the end of the film avert this catastrophe.
The 1960s, when people could be grownups?
@@josephfisher426 It says everything that the 1960s people actually LOOK like grownups compared to what's ruling the world today.
I called it when I saw the trailer. My friend said it looked good and I replied, "it will be filled with woke agenda; Hollywood can't make a movie nowadays without THE MESSAGE, but especially a movie about the Catholic church."
My wife watched this the other day and was telling me about it, she said it was real blah. This after I said 'that looks terrible'. She said there was a surprise. I said 'let me guess something ghay or trans right?'
Catholic church for "Modern Audiences"
I read that in Critical Drinker's voice!
It would be like the hero of the winning basketball team admitting that he was a dwarf that wore stilts.
I would watch that
Reuploaded to fix a mistake in my review script. Sorted now.
I was wondering about that. The video froze and then I got a second notification about the same video.
It's too bad we're not allowed to discuss the depth of what's actually taking place behind the scenes which is driving all the narrative. Needless to say, it is biblical. Literally.
Nah you dislike it just because you're catholic. Even film threat have a much better review of this movie.
Tol Er Ance is not a virtue. It is not a Chris Tian vir Tue. The bible requires conservancy. Any position contrary is anti-Chris Tian. Is there another word for the hyphen?
According to a comment here the book is similar if not the same.
I can't wait till they do a movie about Hollywood, which is basically the liberal version of the Catholic Church. "OH, wait, they won't." 🤨
They many movies about Hollywood depicted in a bad light. Babylon came last year.
It would be the most disgusting movie ever made
Maybe we can get the Daily Wire to do a Harvey Weinstein biopic.
The Wolf of Wall Street struck me as Hollywood projecting itself on Wall Street.
So.. is Father Ted a more properly authentic depiction of Catholic priests and the Catholic faith ?🤔
More based creator.
I hear you're a racist now, Father!
That would be an ecumenical matter
_DOWN WITH THIS SORT OF THING_
Tis the gold standard!
Now, Holywood, do the same movie, but with Islamic institution.
Nope, film people want to keep breathing and not finding burned out ruins where the studio used to be.;)
They'll likely get destroyed both figuratively and literally
Unlike Christians Muslims actually care about their religion so it would never happen.
This movie has a stellar cast, and I was really looking forward to it. I let my guard down for once and face the usual disappointment. Oh well, back to avoiding the usual gender-bending nonsense and watching my old shows and movies, instead. 🙄
Gunsmoke !!!
Just watch them be interviewed they are embarrassed.
Yeah all movies made in the past decade are rather awful. Im still upset at the way Blade Runner 2049 was destroyed by the message.
@@sole__doubtwhat happened in bladerunner 2049 ? I don’t remember it being woke
@@Rory_ODwyer Sheesh where do I begin? The feminist girl boss stuff and the way men were portrayed as dumb brutes for starters. The Love character being able to fight with K is just ludicrous. K could destroy her with one hand tied behind his back in real life.
Ralph Fiennes is rapidly becoming the new Charles Dance/Mark Strong, being far too talented & classy for the bilge he is being cast in. I can only presume they see these things as being "bill payers". This is a re-tread of the myth of the female Pope "Pope Joan" c. 13th Century. I know Hollywood are lacking in originality, but a 800 year old story? Come on now.
You know, if they actually told THAT story in its supposed setting and using the story that has been passed down (not a modern transgender thing), it could be genuinely interesting. However, they wouldn't be able to handle that. Historical accuracy, even in legends, is not Hollywood's strong suit.
@@ChaoticYak1 There have been at least two, one in 1972 & one in 2009. 😀 Mind you, I'm not sure you can have historical accuracy regarding what is, essentially, a myth.
He'll be starring along with Adam Sandler soon
@@marbellaotaiza801 After Al Pacino wh0red himself out to the Sandler film scam scheme, nothing surprises me any longer......
@@marbellaotaiza801 after Al Pacino sold his souls for a share of the Sandler sc@m film scheme, nothing surprises me any longer.
Hollywood should just make _Satan's Alley_ with Robert Downey Jr and Tobey Maguire.
Communism approved this movie.
Spoken like someone who doesn’t know what communism is.
Satan did too
Bella Dodds liked this.
@@JustTooDamnHonest spoken like a tankie
@@JustTooDamnHonest Communism has historically galvanized actors via mobilizing the "marginalized" or self perceived "marginalized" against a cohort of relatively well to do populace in a move to grab power. In this case it is the "oppressed" versus the "normative", the motive being information control.
Trans Pope was literally my first guess.
Then I thought it could be a black lesbian with a shaved head.
Always go with your first instinct.
...and when is the 'ayotollah is gay' movie coming out? 🤪
"Man love thursday" is a thing over there. Or, at least it was when I was in Iraq and Kuwait.
(Shudders at the mental image of the queues) My time in Army had some interesting events, but the euphemism 'make your buddy happy' was never quite so literal as the locals took it.
Right after Moses and his child brides.
On a complete side note. I’m an American Protestant, but have a degree in Ecclesiastical History from the University of Durham in England, so I’m familiar with the elements of Catholicism. Anyway, I joined the army as an officer. While I was working in Jordan, Pope Francis came to Amman to hold mass. I was selected to work security with the Jordanian SF teams and the Swiss Guard. The Pope wanted to meet his protectors, and say hello to us. He held out his ring, and I explained I was Baptist, and didn’t think it was right, but it was an honor to meet him. He said the honor was his and blessed me.
I have lots of Catholics friends, and they can’t believe I got blessed by the pope, and they’ve never even seen him in person.
Thanks for taking the bull et for us
I never intended to see this movie and I am so glad I skipped it and now I will never see it. Woke garbage can't go away fast enough.
It's not woke. It shows both sides of the argument that's going on in the church right now and that has been for decades. Some cardinals want to liberalise because they are losing members, while some want to go more conservative.
The writers actually had me siding with the conservative papal candidate after the bombing when he did his speech decrying Islam. So it definitely isn't one-sided.
The trans twist isn't even that crazy, there will definitely be priests in real life that are trans that we don't know about. The writers didn't even make it a good thing that they became the pope, it was portrayed as a massive mistake and disaster.
Conservatives can be just as triggered as progressives, look how upset you are getting over a movie that you haven't even seen. It's embarrassing. It shows a distinct lack of reason when you use rhetoric like 'woke' I mean imagine still using that in 2024, it's such a boomer Facebook term that people throw out to trivialise anything that they think is against their own agenda.
People can't even watch movies anymore without getting upset and worrying about their own agendas. It's just a movie, it's not real.
I watched 'Conclave' a couple of nights ago. I watched it for the star power names, and was terribly let down by the extremes put forth by the writing. It was only with the help of the contents of a bottle of Auchentoshan, that was I able to refrain from hurling the remote into the television.
A shame because it's shot well.
Well, so was JFK, and that still sucked.
Excellent cinematography.
@@LostCauseClown YOu really think Oliver Stones' JFK sucked? What exactly didnt you like about it? Everything about it is done well.
@@LostCauseClowncartoonish even, but entertaining...
Thanks for saving me the cringe of watching this movie. Sadly, so much these days are unwatchable. The spoiler is just more of the garbage that the media throws at use constantly. The human race is headed into dystopia. Some of your observations about the characters are sadly true in modern world. Since they are so far from Biblical dogma, I wonder why they are even serving in the church hierarchy. SMH.
One of my favorite lines in Babylon 5 was Garibaldi saying to Sheraton “You’re not the Pope, you don’t look anything like HER”. 😂😂
Suddenly want some bagels.
Damn, but I love B5.
I never liked B5. I guess it was the lack of any masculine characters.
That's a load of Papal Bull... (See what I did there...)!
Former devout Catholic here... Nope. Don't see it, and I don't want you pontificating about it! 😉
To be perfectly Fair: the movie has their new pope wind up being intersex and they didn't even find out until well in adulthood. Comparing the plight of the intersex to the rest of the trans community is about as Fair as comparing one adult homosexual wanting to marry an another adult homosexual with the sort of people that call themselves MAPS. It is neither accurate or fair. There are distinctions and distinctions matter. The whole alphabet soup community is already showing rather dramatic signs of fracturing over this and similar issues. The current social crisis was caused by a bunch of different social minorities getting so desperate that they grouped together without paying attention to the quality of the individual groups and now that they've become a social force to be reckoned with and have time for introspection are starting to realize they've made some rather dramatic errors. It's a bit like Ukraine getting invaded by Russia;of course they're going to let the Neo-Nazi social factions fight alongside the rest of the troops.... Their survival as a nation was at stake. When the smoke clears though the factions are going to realize they're not compatible in the long term and one or the other will gain dominance. And unfortunately between the start of the war and the end some pretty dramatic crimes are probably going to happen along the way that a lot of people are going to wind up regretting.
The Ukraine analogy works more thoroughly and grim than that. But their actual "ally" was NATO -- who prodded them to antagonize the Russians to hurt the Russians. The Not-Sees were merely the more aggressive and useful party to that end.
But as these things always go, to antagonize Russia on its borders is to invite ruin -- utter and permanent ruin. The'll chew through your best men like a plodding industrial meatgrinder... then they'll chew up your next best, then the next, and then the last men you have. What's left of your nation has seen the last of its best days -- your genetic stock of even mildly patriotic men turned into fertilizer. All babies born to your nation after that will be the offspring of the weak of mind, body, and will. This is what happened to France and then Germany.
Ukraine volunteered for their own permanent anihilaiton. The KIA of Ukranian men is currently 600 to 900 thousand. Almost all of those men were the bravest and first to fight. The mission was doomed from the start and everyone who knew even a little world history concluded that the day Russia decided to step foot into Ukraine with war intentions.
Likewise, the people conned into these social justice movements weren't those who created the movement... those political actors are well away from the battlefield. They went to war against fundamental human nature. Every last time this has ever been attempted, it brought those who attempted it to ruin... especially those on the front lines.
Why is this so relevant? Because the Russians themselves went to war against human nature as part of the Soviet Union. Even with their solidly implacable and grinding nature, they lost against an undefeated and undefeatable opponnent: human nature. If they persisted, they would've ceased to exist. IF Stalin had lived for even a decade longer, there would likely be no Russia today... having been purged of all it's intellectuals and those who remained would've mostly starved. Their genetic stock of intellect and soldiers would've been nil -- they'd never have recovered.
This is why identity politics was destined to fail -- sooner or later. Not because of the factions -- though that's proven to be their achilles heel -- but because they went to war against an undefeatable opponent who can burn through every resource in the known universe before losing ground... human nature.
Why? Because it was their own selfish human nature that caused them to go to war in the first place. They couldn't defeat even their own nature -- so they'd never be able to defeat anyone else's. You can't use your nature to defeat your nature... because it's still your nature and must still act in accordance with reality in order for you to survive.
Put another way -- you can't use your nature for war to fight your nature for war... because when you gain ground you lose your nature for war and the war ends for lack of motive. This is why all the major "sins" were denoted. They're sins because they're all about self control to prevent self destruction. They have nothing to do with being nice to others -- though that's the end result. They have everything to do with self preservation.
When the Marksist project decided to use identity politics, they were still unable to see their originating fallacy: that human nature can be forced to be something else. They never seem to understand that everyone possesses their same implacable will to survive and control their environment. The thing which drives the Marksists to attack human nature is, itself, part of the fundamental nature of every living creature on this planet.
They went to war with a weapon they were determined to usurp... like eating your cake and still having it. The first law of thermodynamics makes that an impossibility.
But humans will still try. They'll constantly believe they're smarter than 4 billion years of evolution and the laws of physics. We'll continue to be trapped on this finite mudball until mankind figures out that going to war against our nature is forever fail.
Francis approved of this script... I'm so surprised...
The job of the Church is to be stalwart in all times and not cave to culture. Francis forgot that tenant.
Catholicism is evil
The Church has never been a stalwart at anything other than trying to maintain its own power. It used the Spanish Empire as its weapon and lost to the might of protestant Great Britain and the religiously free Dutch Republic which existed as a result of being oppressed and degraded by Spanish catholic tyrants.
The screenwriter said the Vatican was ok with the script.... I'm so surprised, sike
Given the new Pope, I'm not at all surprised.
You've not been paying attention to what's going on there. It's not surprising in the least.
@@justanothercomment416 You seem to not understand what the word 'sike' means.
@@Aliksander54 Fair enough. I did miss that. TY.
*psych
I'm sorry you had to sit through this. I have no plan to watch it.
To be honest, The Shoes of the Fisherman, was a far better conclave movie.
Well, look at the bright side peeps. At least Zendaya wasn't elected pope :-)
Wow that's very Hollywood cliche of Catholicism, thanks for the review Dave
I preferred Paul Verhoeven's Benedetta.
I'm pretty sure the ending was a nod to the legend of Pope Joan.
It’s a nod to evil
@@Ruby_Villain Well they did immediately unalive Pope Joan and her child. Cause you know, morals and all.
@@AstraeaJustitiaNo they didn't. It never happened. Pope Joan has long been considered a Catholic smear.
@@AstraeaJustitiathere was no such person, so….
Ralph Fiennes is becoming the art house nic cage
I enjoyed the political/scheming aspect of the movie and then that bloody ending . I should have saved myself a couple of hours.
There was a series called "Nothing Sacred" about an outgoing, young progressive priest bannished to an inner city parish where all the "troublesome" clergy were dumped.
It had all the tropes a traditional church would have to face in these "modern times" including a woman lay person who wanted to be a priest.
It had decent writing and was lauded by critics but a Catholic group launched a letter writing campaign and got it taken off the air. A few episodes can be found here at youtube.
My immediate thought when I first saw the trailers for this movie was "how will they malign the Church this time?" followed closely by "Ralphe Fiennes and John Lithgow? aw man.... a movie like this could have been good"
A movie that negatively portrays the catholic church? Wow, I wonder who was involved in making that.
I don't even need to see the early life. I already know.
I swear, it's every single time.
Edit: Well, not this time. Turns out he's aus Österreich.
Honestly I didn't think it was _that_ negative. They were portrayed as flawed but mostly well-meaning people.
"Tolerance" - Bellini shows how broken his views really are. I thought it was a condemning revelation on how the roman catholic church is still wrapped up in its power plays far more than anything of the faith.
There’s no believable way a woman could become a Catholic priest, Cardinal, or Pope. It’s completely absurd and impossible.
In this case the pope was intersex and everyone who voted for him as the pope thought he was a biological male. Heck, the cardinal who became pope _himself_ thought he was biological male and didn't discover his intersex condition until well into adulthood when an appendicitis operation revealed the truth.
Is the Catholic church not already the most inclusive and diverse religion on the planet? South America,Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, India, Africa, Carribean etc?
Thank you for saving my time by avoiding this film. I wonder if they would make the same film regarding non-Christian faiths...
I was halfway through last upload. Left me on a cliffhanger!!
I’m so tired of “made for modern audiences”.
WRT the Pope, he has always been at the centre of the Church as regent, *but* the local representative has been the local bishop. The Pope has historically never micro-manged the faith and is usually either the judge of last resort in the case of disputes or the primus that seals ecumenical councils. If the Bishop do their jobs faithfully properly, there is no need of the Pope. The fact that the Pope has so much attention is proof positive that something is very wrong with the Church today. I agree with St John Henry's objection the Vatican I. He object to it, not because there is a problem with the declaration that Pope is infallible but because of the side effects it would have, namely the Pope might think he has more power than he does (e.g. to recklessly change the mass) or that good bishops would give up their responsibilities to tend their flock (it's the Pope's job, I'll just be faithful to whatever he says) while bad bishops would do whatever they can get away with (if I'm not being punished or can delay punishment long enough, it must mean I'm doing my job). This ends up in a viscious cycle where the Pope has more and more focus while the flock are abandoned until the centre cannot hold and we're left with a (possibly anti-) Pope Francis.
They got a movie starring Lord Voldemort, Lord Farquaad, Enzo Ferrari and Lisle from Death Becomes Her.....and they managed to make it cringe. What a waste.
Edit : This is WORSE than cringe
They wanted to shock and disturb people. Then people who have even a basic understanding of history remember the legend of Pope Joan, look at this, and shrug.
Watching this movie, especially all the way to the end, made me mad. I really enjoyed the cast of the movie, but whenever it came to the end, and they pulled the shenanigans that they pulled, it just made me mad and let me know that Hollywooddoes not think of anything as sacred.
How is the Catholic Church sacred? In what sense are the sacred whatsoever?
@ go watch the movie and find out for yourself what I’m talking about. Nobody has hours and hours to sit here and explain this stuff to you.
@@ComicsExposed then don’t comment at all.
@Ruby_Villain I'll comment however I like, whenever I like. Thank you very much. Good day.
Disgusting and pure evil.
Thank you. I was also raised Catholic. My views about the church sound very similar to yours. I appreciate your review.
I saw this piece of crap. Everyone left the theater pissed off.
Anti-christianity films are cool because there's no worry that the faithful will react violently. Hollywood is pathetic.
Robert Harris has written some good books. I can't recommend his Cicero trilogy about ancient Roman political shenanigans highly enough. However his other books vary in quality and can be quite silly. The Fear Index, which is a murder mystery set in a hedge fund company, ends with the revelation that the automated trading software that runs the hedge fund is behind the murders since it became self aware like Skynet!
I wouldn't buy a Robert Harris book but I'm happy to borrow them from the library 😉
I've noticed a rise in the twist being that a character was gay or trans in many of these overly dramatic films that have been coming out. That's what they think is original and creative. They deserve to lose money.
The character was neither gay nor trans (well, not in the usual sense at least) but intersex. He thought was biologically male and didn't discover he was intersex until well into adulthood.
Thanks for this. I was on the fence about CONCLAVE because I dig religious thrillers and the Catholic church is a fascinating establishment force, a bizarre mix of great good and profound evil. People told me this movie was blasphemous, but one man's blasphemy is another man's push back against rigid unquestioning blind faith. But this sounds like tepid blasphemy through the predictable prism of the "modern audience."
I guess my only question would be: Does the Robert Harris's novel, the original source material, have the same twist ending? If so, we can't really blame the filmmakers, other than deciding to make it.
I also think Ralph Fiennes is one of the best actors alive, but wow he picks a ton of transgressive shit to appear in. THE ENGLISH PATIENT is a deeply evil CASABLANCA-inverting anti-heroic work of genius, and that's just the top of the Fiennes dark pyramid of a career.
I can't believe I'm hearing this, I had so much interest in seeing this film, but now I don't want to see it because it's everything wrong with political stories today.
I read the plot summary, turns out he was born intersex with functioning male organs, but an inert uterus which he didn't know about until later in life but decided to keep.
Years ago, poking fun and mocking Christainity was at one point considered fresh and bold (like when Life of Brian came out), but now it's become tired and worn-out, kind of like a comedian who tells the exact same joke for the last ten years and never changes or writes up any new material. Do something like this with another religion, like a certain ''Peaceful Religion of Peacefullness'' and then I'll be impressed.
Saw this film. It was actually a good movie. Up until that horrific ending and I walked out of the theater actually angry.
Ending’s really good. It’s actually book accurate and even improves on it too.
I really like NPC Dave. Maybe he can host a video or two of your show.
It’s a tiny hat holy war of propoganda
Wee Maar rising.
*unholy?
Shut up.
so tired of christ killer targeting christians again and again
Sure and yet Protestants would laughably agree with everything in this flick, from the corruption to the degeneracy and validation for why they aren't part of the Church.
So movie roman catholic church is slightyl mkre progressive than real life catholic church.
Congrats on topping the bestseller list! 😂
I'm agnostic, and often enjoy films that challenge religious narratives, especially in historical settings where it had much more of a hold on society at large.
But it needs to be intelligent, thought provoking and original.
This just sounds like lazy smush designed to make the NPCs bark like seals.
Honestly, it sounds like they tacked that ending on just to get controversy. 'Cause I don't know anyone who is going to watch that movie willingly.
apparently it's how the book ends too.
@@TF80s That's what I was wondering. Considering that the subject matter sounds all rather boring to spend hundreds of millions on a movie, that ending probably was the reason someone purchased the rights for the book.
Such a great cast too, damned shame....
You just need to watch Father Ted…. It is all you need to know about the Catholic faith.
A Female Pope ???
They are 1,000 years too late.
There was (allegedly) a female pope --- now THAT would have been interesting,
There was a movie about that in the 70s , she was one of the pope John's, they added the balls test afterwards, ( pope Joan) liv ullman and Franco Nero
Well, sort of. The person who became pope was an intersex person who naturally looked like a biological man. It wasn't until after he became an ordained minister that he found out about his intersex condition, and everyone who voted for him to be the pope thought he was a biological male.
When Hollywood demons make a movie about the church, this is what you get. Who wants to bet it gets nominated for an Academy Award for its “stunning and brave” storytelling? 3:52
You're sacrifice is appreciated!
Bloody called it, 30 seconds before you said it. Woke is so predictable.
Only 17 minutes late and weirdly the logic of the movie follows Papal Elections from before the 1900s.
I'd really like to see your take on the recent film Heretic starring Hugh Grant. I understand it tackles the issues of religion as a means of control while not being entirely unsympathetic to indivdual spirituality and belief itself.
It was pretty unsympathetic and fed BS to the audiences (e.g., Krishna was not, in fact, a carpenter born on December 25).
The advertising at the end was a nice play!
Dave: You won't believe the ending
Me: Oh god, what, is the pope gay?
Dave: he's trans.
Me: ...oh. 😢
I'm afraid Dave was misleading here; the pope wasn't trans (at least not in the ordinary sense). He was an intersex man who naturally appeared biologically male, and he wasn't aware he was intersex until well into adulthood.
@MaverickChristian even if it's misleading, it's still unnecessary and absurd. It didn't have anything to do with the film itself, and people need to stop making movies about Catholics if they just hate them and what they believe Catholics believe.
So, Chariots of Fire pace, Communist author, Sleepaway Camp ending.
The Pope is the Prime Minister of Jesus, this has been consistently taught since the beginning. Faith is also personal, they are not mutually exclusive. Someone needs to be the clarifier on what the faith teaches, it is nonsensical that we interpret the faith our own way. We may have different angles that we come at it but that doesn't mean the underlying truth is different from person to person. To say so is no different than relativism, just applied to God. The Pope is there to protect that underlying truth while being an image of unity.
Thank you. Thank you for pronouncing Ralph the correct way, not the ridiculously pretentious way Ralph would like her to pronounce it. Your name is Ralph, Ralph, get used to it!
There is a reason why I only pronounce things phonetically. We use the same alphabet, but everyone speaks it slightly differently. Kind of annoying.
Hey Dave, your friend from Colorado, USA. I've already have a hard copy on reserve. Can't wait. Many Thanks for all your hard work.
Thanks Dave. Don't feel bad about plugging your book, please do! You deserve all the success in the world, and you have created such fine content here for years, I'll be buying your book soon.
Not me going directly to your link, because that book sounds right up my alley. 😂
With respect, Dave, Christ left behind the Apostolic Succession and the Magisterium that arose from it for a reason. There’s a reason the Catholic Church is one of the two OGs of the Faith(and, technically, THE original Christian faith as the Succession traces back all the way to Peter). It’s why I’m becoming not just Christian but Catholic as well.
They aren't the OGs by any means, they got a committee together, crafted the new testament, branded anything that was contrary to their very earthly goals of power and control as 'apocrypha' and designed succession to validate the Roman Empire and its succession of Emperors (and later divine right of Kings). OGs are the Orthodox church and Gnostic sects, not the catholics.
@@AstraeaJustitia …I see you got your education on UA-cam.
They just can't help themselves.
I really liked it. Ralph Fiennes was excellent and Ed Berger's a really remarkable filmmaker. If you can, check out his miniseries Patrick Melrose with Benedict Cumberbatch. It's truly phenomenal.
I have no love for some of the particulars of Catholic dogmas or ecclesiology but even coming from a Protestant branch of the faith, I'm so sick and tired of seeing how Catholicism is maligned by the media.
Catholicism maligned itself long before media ever got to it
Catholicism maligned itself by going after the innocent little ones of God. Know where to place blame appropriately
Catholicism maligned itself by going after the innocent ones of God. Know where to place blame
It maligned itself by going after the innocent ones. Know where to place blame
@@Ruby_Villain your comment reminds me of a saying in my region, an oily finger stains the rest of the hand.
Pope John Ru Paul I
The guy who became pope wasn't trans; he was an intersex person who naturally looked like a biological male. The guy didn't even know he was intersex until well into adulthood and after he was already an ordained priest.
Ralph Fiennes being in the film fooled you thinking it could be good.
I'm going to rewatch Angels and Demons then
I wonder how different the film is to the book.
Bit harsh. Didn't feel particularly woke. Just a decent mystery in a unique and interesting setting.
I agree. I think he’s way off on this one. One of the better movies this year.
My dad wanted to watch this movie. I warned him not to.
Great review Dave. Imagine Melonie Mac Go Boom reviewing this?!
She'll snap.
It is sad that a film with such beautiful cinematography, elegant set design, well crafted costuming, superb acting and a fairly riveting plot, had to have gender politics shoehorned into the end. It seemed so out of place, almost as if it were an afterthought. Aside from the intersex person who became central to the contrived twist, what I found equally off putting was how the film equated conservatism with racism and bigotry.
That shameless shilling at 06:50, super hilarious, gotta love it. 🤣👍