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Thabes is interesting to me. Because it gives Wallhart a further reason for why he would want to prevent Grima's revival. Because Alm & Celica had encountered the fell dragon in a younger form.
Point, but I don't think he needed a reason. Walhart wanted to conquer the world/destroy the 'gods', and Grima, as a 'god', was on that hit list. Grima's existence is common knowledge in Awakening, even in Valm--they had a couple of the Gemstones after all, and Tiki was at the Mila Tree. He could've had some heirloom knowledge relating to Grima's origin though. That would certainly add an extra layer to his disdain for the 'gods' beyond being an expy for Rudolf and/or Alm (if Celica had properly died).
6:54 Engage's developers thinking the multiplayer's a good replacement for an actual postgame/New Game+ is the biggest tragedy here. The game's SP system and the whole "invest into nations for some bonus drops" mechanic is pretty much tailor-made for it.
As someone who just finally recently beat this game, I am also shocked that there's no NG+ or fleshed out postgame, especially after the inclusion of DLC. Skirmishes are nice and all, but the AI is the same in practically every one; they just bumrush you. And once you beat the story and paralogues, you never have to deal with an enemy emblem user again, which makes sense story-wise but is a huge disappointment gameplay wise when they are ripe for creative combos of skills, abilities, and emblem weapons to challenge the player with. It feels like a lot of untapped potential. You do unlock 10 more difficulty levels in Tempest Trials which is...nice I suppose.
@@TheMaestroMizerousI think this is a particularly weird criticism for Engage because, well, this video demonstrates that most games in this series don't give you much to do after beating it once besides trying again on a harder difficulty or with different units/builds.
Fire Emblem games could use more postgame 'arcs' that expands on the universe/lore. In SoV, learning where Grima came from was satisfying, and you got to fight it in a way that made sense. So cool! Engage could have used one of these, wtf is an "Emblem Zero" and why couldn't we fight it??
There definitely should have been the reason for the tempest trial building and have a secret ex chapter if you clear every area on the highest level or something
Nah Three Houses definitely could've used some post game stories showing how for example, each lord manages a new Foldlán and the inevitable political strife that ensues
It's honestly hard to really imagine many post games in Fe. Echoes somehow did it best bringing it back full circle to awakening and giving a super boss at the end in grima. Most of the time Fe seems to like to do side quests or prequel chapters instead of something after story. It's hard to find a threat after beating god but that just meant baby grima was already better than god
You missed something - Clearing the game on Maniac or Lunatic and above in New Mystery unlocks free class for Male units - so units aren't locked to A or B type
Thabes was actually scary, I remember being scared from being chased by monsters, I also didnt know you could just retreat to get out of the dungeon. I thought you had to clear it in one go, but that made it more fun.
Seeing Astra in Echoes makes me enormously jealous I've done so many Lybrinth runs and I still haven't seen any of the special weapons since I beat the game which for context was a week after the game was released
The grind for all the legendary weapons was a lot of fun. I got all of them... I think. I know that I accidentally had a unit die on the 9th floor after getting the final weapon one time, and I had to put the game down and walk away, but I don't remember if I went BACK and got it.
Im surprised you didnt include the renown rewards in awakening. Or the ability to recruit past avatars/high level units from other games. Its not technically postgame, but the renown system does work like ng+. You get more free stuff the more renown registered for new campaigns.
There is one thing, you forgot to mention about echoes: Thabes holds the last memory prism, which you can pick up, after beating Grima (or you forget to pick it up, making you having to go through the entire dungeon again)
Thabes and NG+ are just awesome. Wish more FE games would lean either direction; either let me carry over my hard work on all my units, or give me more than the last handful of chapters to use them on when they're at full power.
I fondly remember pulling an allnighter going through Thabes for the first time in my cleric only playthrough, easily one of my favourite experiences playing FE
The only post game content I want is a built in randomizer. Start a new game with options like random/reverse recruitment, and randomized classes. It's always fun using those hacks. I love getting an endgame unit as a early game pre-promote and getting to use them the whole game lol
Dude Thabes Labyrinth was absolutely peak, I will always remember that experience. Also just had a great idea for post game in the FE4 Remake. After the epilogue where you beat the game, Seliph and crew should be able to journey to each of the areas in lore where members of the first Gen were turned to stone and free them using the Kia staff and have them be playable, then you would have access to characters like Lachesis, Asbel, and the a few others maybe in some trial map or in your next playthrough of Gen 2
Surprised he didn't talk more about how much time you could spend in awakening and fates just perfecting your army. Awakening relied on spotpass a lot for this, yeah, but it was still by far the most extensive postgame in the series, and that's now counting how much the DLC added to it. Usually people wouldn't have paired up all the female characters so you still had new paralogues to play and new characters to unlock, not to mention spotpass chapters did the "let's recruit the unrecruitable characters" the best in the series, as long as we count them as non-canon, as they included a narrative with all those recruitments. Fates was also really cool with the reclassing system and the child units were the same as awakening so it also added a lot.
The problem is that half of the content you mentioned - the DLC and Spotpass - aren't available anymore if you haven't already accessed it. I never bought the Awakening DLC, so I can't ever experience fighting Uber Anna unless I find a 3DS with that downloaded.
@@ShermTank7272 Still not a good enough reason to not mention it at all considering it was available for 10 years and how many people used all those features so much. Also don't give up just yet.. Piracy is very much a thing, and you can access all of awakening's content thanks to it.
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Thebes Labyrinth is the best postgame because it shows ultra-powered enemies but they are far enough away that they don't affect the plot like how Gangrel is underleveled compared to gaiden bosses.
I’d consider unlocking the rest of the child paralogues in fates and awakening to be significant post game content because it’s highly unlikely one would unlock every paralogue over the course of a regular playthrough
I honestly find it hard to imagine not unlocking every paralouge as once you unlock the one for Lucina's sibling, and likely Morgan's, most people would likely start working on their pairing to get the kids.
@@pokedude720I honestly never did. My brain really didn't conceive the idea of, "S supports unlock more units" and at that point, Awakening was my 5th game in the series with none of the previous games having anything like skirmishes or having more than 5 supports per character (just for clarification the 4 previous were Blazing Sword, Shadow Dragon, Path of Radiance, and Radiant Dawn). So I didn't get all the child units in one go through cause I didn't care about supports and I was used to playing the game more linear. So I was able to get maybe 5 child units, but never bothered to go get the rest.
@@pokedude720I'm not going to be able to use every parent unit in one blind playthrough, which also means I've got no incentive to unlock every kid because I can't use all of them either.
Huh, I didn't realize that the FE6 promo maps actually had official images in magazines (accept for the bandits map). They aren't on tcrf, guess I should update the page lol.
Personally, and this is probably my bias showing, but I enjoyed how Radiant Dawn held back on its answers to some story elements, but gave little tidbits of extra lore through playing the game multiple times. And sure, this isn't exactly something that one would expect to find without the internet probably, but it's cool to see nontheless. The post-game for Echoes was done really well and Thabes definitely upped the ante with how much the difficulty spiked.
Outside of Sacred Stones and maybe Fates PvP I wouldn't consider Fire Emblem to be a series that seems interested in keeping player retention after the credits roll. Engage made that more than clear to me.
You forgot to mention the Awakening paralogues where you're able to recruit Emmeryn, Gangrel, Aversa, Walhart, Yen'fay AND Priam. HOW CAN YOU FORGET PRIAM
@@tirex3673 they're technically only available once you beat Chapter 25 (second to last map). While yes technically you're correct I still think it's incorrect to not deem them as postgame content because you can technically play them and beat them before fighting Grima as this is only the case because no matter how many times you beat the final chapter it will never show up as completed (meaning that you can always replay the final chapter)
@@AkameGaKillfan777Cause he's controversial as to why he's Ike's descendant and it doesn't want to ruin the headcanon of some people that Ike made off with either Soren or Ranulf.
Man, I know so many people from fire emblem just from heroes. I’ve played Awakening, Fates, 3H, Echoes and Engage. Oh and am playing the very first fire emblem game on the switch. I think it’s called shadow dragon. What I really wish I could play are the older ones. Especially genealogy. That one has so many cool characters. I think Eyvel and Mareeta are in there. Maybe I’m wrong. Oh how can I forget about sacred stones. It looks so sick as well. That was the one with Marisa. I do like her character a lot.
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar emulation? It's a SNES game and you can easily find a translated ROM, but they aren't easy games,I wasn't able to pass chapter 2 of Geneology.
I know it's NG+ not Postgame, but honestly Fates letting you "save" units so you can buy their skills and such next go round was great as a way to play around with strong skills as a pseudo post-game trial map type thing.
If i could have anything I'd want a post game for Sacred Stones that explained wtf Formortiis is in the cosmology of the world. Like what's a demon lord compared to the devine dragon. Hes clearly not a fell dragon but he kinda functions like Loptus. Playing echoes just makes me crave it more with the way they fleshed out wtf Grima is.
I think the lack of NG+ is what made engage less... Well engaging for me. In three houses I can work my team to clear maddening after doing a bow only run so I can get accuracy +20 for everyone to help with the early game.
I really am glad Thabes was added to echoes , It's such a cool , scary and powerful addition to an Already amazingly faithful remake. Still to this day I return to Sacred Stones vanilla or Rom and play until I unlocked all the Characters in the post game. It's just so fun and amazing and I love these post game parts so much
I never got past the second floor of the ruins in FE8 I think the for me the weapon durability did fair well against the hordes of enemies coming at you the relic weapons had almost no durability and iron weapons did like no damage and the fact I don’t have enough time during my normal life means I could never finish it . Nice going to anybody who could beat it you have my respect 😅 If they did a remake of Sacred Stones and gave the ruins the Thabes treatment where you could at least bookmark your progress and maybe balance the weapons a bit better I think I’d enjoy it way more than I did. Thabes Labyrinth was very fun and challenging I don’t understand why people don’t like it, but we’re all different I guess. Great video mate keep up the great work.👍🏼
Engage's Postgame could have been amazing if it had an equivalent to the Lagdou Ruins in FE8. I've played through the Fell Xenologue twice now and the maps just don't feel the same due to all the restrictions the game places on you. Having a postgame dungeon in Engage would have been perfect for grinding levels and gold to max out the donation levels for each nation.
Awakening and Echoes are still my two favorite games. I love the Future Past DLC of Awakening, and the postgame with Grima in Echoes basically had me losing my mind. I may be biased because they were already my favorite games before I played any post-game, but both those games just cater to my tastes in a way no other Fire Emblem game has. I hope to play Radiant Dawn at some point in the future, and I’m hoping it will give me some of the same feelings I had the first time I played the other two games
The lack of of a New Game+ in Engage is what instantly killed the experience for me. The lack of a support log being saved through playthroughs made replaying the game feel pointless as any progress you work for in one playthrough become irrelevant in the next (I usually 100% support logs in FE games, so this was a particular blow to me). I wanted to replay the game over and over until all the supports were seen / wake up conversations / pact ring scenes were seen, but after seeing that the game doesn't keep a log, I played it only 3 times and dropped. They really prioritized the gameplay to be fun while dumping everything else.
And even then the gameplay isn't even close to being as good as it's cracked up to be. If there was SOMETHING extra to do after beating a playthrough and the game had an actually good soundtrack, I MIGHT have not returned it. Though it would still just be a worse version of Fates in almost every way. No, altered level-ups barely change anything, and it it was up to me, I would just make all future FEs have fixed growths on different files, the only small exception being what class you're in.
For engage allowing access to all units at level one in subsequent playthroughs so you don't have to use all the same units at the beginning of each playthrough would help replayability.
My favorite post game was Path of Radiance's Trial Maps. These are the only Trial Maps you can play in English on official hardware, and they're amazing! They provided us with an answer to item hording: no matter how many times you play these maps, your weapon durability will revert back to what it was when you cleared the game after the map ends. This means you can finally go full ham with all the legendary weapons (that are available to you) plus the pseudo-Legendary Forged weapons you create yourself with no consequences whatsoever! To make this even better, you get more legendary equipment from the unlockable characters! For example, Shiharem has an extra Full Guard (nullifies effective damage), Bryce has the S-Rank Wishblade (basically this game's Gradivus), and Ashnard, hoo boy, Ashnard. HE HAS COMPLETE INVINCIBILITY, AND HIS OWN PERSONAL 1-2 RANGE SWORD, AND HIGHER THAN AVERAGE MOVEMENT, AND HIS FINAL BOSS THEME!!! You have to put in an unreal amount of work to get him, but it's sooooo satisfying to mow down entire maps as the Final Boss himself!
I'm surprised that you didn't talk about the final few paralogues from Awakening where you recruit Aversa, Walhart, Emmernyn, Priam, etc... Those are basically the game's post game content.
@@laith7266 That's because the game resets once you've beaten the final map to right before the chapter. The game also doesn't really recognize them as Story relevant as the characters don't have any supports with characters outside of Robin. Story wise, it also doesn't make any sense for them to happen after the Big Bad has already been dealt with because of what happens to Robin in the final level and the fact that all of them are dead in the story(outside of Priam).
I loved new game plus, the most common use of it for me was just buying the class mastery skills. Theres a certain unique fun challenge in setting up a situation where a unit can survive tons of attacks and go through many rounds of combat for the mastery XP to get it really quickly, but... sometimes i dont wanna hit pass turn for 67 turns. new game plus does make it easier, so i try to not use things that wouldnt normally be available to me. like i dont buy death blow instantly lol. but also mostly for recruiting people to have different teams, even though that usually makes chapter 13 a nightmare lmao
now that dlc is a thing i highly doubt we will get something like echoes again hack that was even crazy to get when it came out most games just put post game in dlc instead sadly like i would be happy if we got something like 3h or maybe even unlock some non playable or boss characters for post game that would probably be enough to satisfy me but obviously getting something like echoes and fe8 would be the best of the best but i don't think will ever happen again
Something I would love: replayable maps. Similar to how Engage scales skirmish battles to your highest level units, chapter maps could scale up. For example: CQ 10. Who doesn’t love it? Imagine taking your end game team vs scaled up enemies there. Master Ninjas, Spear Masters, Falcon Knights, Oni Chieftains, and Snipers. I think it would so much fun. Or Reunion at Dawn with end game teams? I think that would really allow for fun builds and good investing, especially for games like Awakening, Fates, and TH
At first I thought, "There are replayable maps, why do you think they are skirmishes?" But yeah, having the same win conditions instead of just "Rout the enemy" would be a good way to go. Luckily Fates DLC got it right with the Elincia's Gambit map, by making it a defense map with a turn limit or rout the boss condition.
It'd be awesome to see NG+, post-game maps expecting you to max your units, and post-game lore all in a single game. I'm excited for a new remake next that hopefully has some fun post-game stuff with bonus lore, but a new game can hopefully take more liberties with how it's set up and won't need to follow the traditional formula they always try to.
Thabes is probably my favourite part of echoes at this point. I almost wish they brought more of that energy to the rest of the dungeon exploration instead of just making it mostly 1 to 1.
Thinking that playing against others in Fire Emblem would be fun, clearly shows the developers have never asked people how they play Fire Emblem... Fire Emblem is already a very slow series on the gameplay front, so having the game be even SLOWER by having to wait on random people on the internet to make moves, really didn't help!
Been loving these worst to best rankings. I think my favorite Korn album is probably Follow the Leader or Take a Look in the Mirror. But like you said everything from Issues up in your vid is solid af. I got some band requests: Sum 41 AFI Deftones Incubus I feel like these bands have mostly banger albums. Curious of your takes.
This video made me realize that Engage, while recent, was not the only one with lack of post game. Although, in defense of a game like Awakening, it was so easy to grind for exp not unlike Engage.
The Thabes Labyrinth is by far my favorite [despite its difficulty]. I could always appreciate that they chose to give a deeper backstory to the scariest villain in the FE franchise, too. It would’ve been nice to be rewarded with a new character each time…. but I was more than fine with the surprise at the end back then.
Echoes post game is easily the best for me. I've never actually beaten it because it's been awhile since I've played Echoes and the one time I got to like the ninth floor and found Astra, the cartridge came out, but it's definitely what a post game should be for the series (also if dungeons came back that would be super rad)
Honestly I think I've only ever touched the trial maps once in PoR. Sure like it's conceptually neat to get characters for completing extra maps, but if they don't have any story related stuff attached and can only be used in said maps...why should I bother. I think Thabes is my personal favorite post game since it made a character I wasn't interested in far more fascinating and creepy while also ramping up the difficulty. I could definitely see a midquel during the timeskip Post game for 3H, or time related shenanigans in Engage. I suppose it is logical to focus more on the main game but still.
Also, while Fire Emblem may not be intentionally designed for it, the games are still very friendly to challenge runs or doing weird crap like 'oops! all generics' or '+30% enemy growths, baby' or even 'Homeless Dragon -- No Somniel, No Babyrealms, no fun' runs thanks to the understandable math underlying the franchise. The franchise just doesn't really need New Game Plus the way, say, Shining Force or Der Langrisser does. Like, to this very day, people are still doing Ironmans and 0% growths of Fates and Thracia and Blazing Blade. Or doing experiments like 'what if Lyn was in the Binding Blade'.
I consider the awakening bonus units as post game content coming in later with game updates. With getting emmeryn walhart and co being added as party members. Echoes while one of my least favorite games. The post game is incredible to see them expand on grima even further as I had a theory when awakening was new that he has divine powers in him and that proved me right. I never really played the post game or sacred stones. I did a map or two but it just didn't feel fun to me. 3 houses gameplay is meh so the new game plus just makes it more bearable to play the other routes without wasting my time trying to recruit all the house students. Getting them immediately is always good.
FE series takes so much years to create a game. The Tower as post game gives replayablility. It keeps us fed until a the next one is announced. Rougelike dungeons are nice to add to this series Imagine a dungeon or labyrinth floors full of enemies that are so powerful or arent from their current world, beats the 100 floor and reaching it its the boss from past or future hint enemy
While it still has a lot of replay value, i was so disappointed when I got ready to do my maddening playthrough of engage and realizing they don't have new game plus
Awakening has a very good post-game with apotheosis being the final challenge of the game needing you to master the game's mechanics (and grind a lot), and all the extra spot pass map (being really dumb but fun still). Awakening DLC are really solid in that regard.
The problem though is that it's DLC, not included on the cartridge. Which is even _more_ of a problem today, now that the 3DS shop is shut down - unless you've already purchased and downloaded the 3DS DLC, it's completely inaccessible
The only times I stuck around after the end for an FE game was Awakening to try some of the DLCs (and I quit, because the enemies were overlevelled as hell) And Echoes, where I started exploring the dungeon, died to a dragon encounter after maybe 30-60 minutes, and realised it was a waste of time. I guess it's fine for people who DO want to find reasons to keep playing and building characters, but, these games already have amazing replayability.
I don't think I ever did Thabes Labyrinth in Echoes. Might have to give that a shot at some point. As of now Creature Campaign is definitely my favorite post game content. I'm not sure I'd really classify Three Houses New Game+ as post game content though. Yes it is unlocked by completing the game, but it's just a means to replay the game more easily on a new story route or the same one again. It's not any additional content like Creature Campaign. I agree that Engage missed an opportunity here. It brought back the world map, but there is nothing new that appears after the main game is finished. Just more skirmishes that will randomly spawn endlessly I guess. I think they might have also intended for the Tempest Trials to be post game content? But I was never particularly interested in those. Would have rather seen a new Tower of Valni/Lagdou Ruins type area. Trial Maps are the worst. I never both with them. Totally agreed on that point.
I remember buying Fire Emblem Echoes, I got the special edition, which came with the Amiibo's, I had no idea extra area's where hidden in the game because of them.
Might be in the minority here, but I'll always prefer a finished game over any post-game content. That certainly leans my interests more towards new game+, although I'd like more characters being unlocked.
This might be a hot take, but I honestly don't care about post game content anymore. I want to play the game and be done with it, not feel like the game is stretching me along for dozens of extra hours just to occupy my time. If I want to play the game more I'll play it again. I want to play a game once through and be happy with it. I fundamentally don't understand why people act like a game not having endless content and ng+ is a death sentence. It's that sort of attitude that's created the live service gaming hellscape of the modern era.
There's a stark difference between postgame content that is there on the disc from the beginning and live services that drip-feed endgame content over the course of several months or years of updates. I don't need to "log in" to Fire Emblem every week to check what they added and grind it out; the postgame is there from the beginning, I can choose to play it or not, and if I do play it I can take it at my own pace. I can see the argument that it may bloat the game (especially stuff like unlocking bonus characters; what reasonable person would beat the same game fifteen times in a row?), but offline postgame content and live service endgame content are entirely different beasts.
Ah, the Thabes Labyrinth. I remember five acts of Echoes of mostly everyone on both teams being useful, and then taking the boat to Archanea where only Alm and Celica were worth a damn.
Solo the ruins final floor with Ross was easy but on the 2nd run i felt like changing ross into a dark mage so used the stone i glitched to get and made him a dark mage and f up my Ross never touched him since he crashed my game when ever i used him ahh to be young and stupid with little access to the internet lol
I've found that even the best games I've played struggle with making the postgame. I think the two most interesting examples are Chrono Trigger DS and La Pucelle Tactics. Chrono Trigger had a strict "no filler" rule, to the point that an entire pyramid dungeon was scrapped. This rule was ditched when making the DS port's Lost Sanctum, which gives you non-stop obnoxious fetch quests and is the very thing the original game was trying to avoid. It gets to the point that the Lost Sanctum is sometimes said to lower the average quality of the game. La Pucelle Tactics had the first battle against Baal in the Disgaea universe. When localizing the game to the US, Disgaea was already available, so someone decided to include a battle against DISGAEA Baal. And it's terrible. It's twice the level of the first Baal despite not adding higher level training maps, completely messing up the balance of the game up to that point. It means that your entire team is likely to be replaced by a squad of Baal (since you can recruit multiple times), meaning *your Est* falls off despite being encouraged to grind. Speaking of which, since no extra training maps are added (which was *not* fixed in the Ragnarok ports) the grinding will be done by having your units kill each other until they reach level 4000. Unlike the first Baal, there's also no tension because it's playing the world map theme and it's DISGAEA Baal in name only (it's just a recolored Normande). They did not learn their lesson for the EU release and added Phantom Baal, which has similar problems but at least it does vaguely resemble a form Baal did take in other NIS games.
I missed out on all the DS games, but I think the differences in FE7 between the routes gave a lot of value, although hector's becoming more the "default" route for just most complete/hardest nullifies Eliwood's in the end. And ya, 3H NG+ was nice to get all the story without spending an extra 50h per playthrough getting all the between-mission grinding done
7:00 While relying on online communication battles is fine, most people play by themselves. I definitely liked Echoes Thabes Labyrinth, the dungeon crawl was fun if not hard with all the masks in there.
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What are your feelings on Awakening’s Apotheosis?
The game seems interesting, but with my current backlog, I won't be testing it soon.
YIIK.
also i remember seeing ads for this game, thinking its a ripoff mobile game, seeing a bit more and realising there are some really cool aspects to it, but then seeing its a gacha game and coming full circle
I downloaded and started playing passed where I can start doing pulls from the link and haven't gotten the free pulls. Is there a threshold that needs to be met?
Thabes is interesting to me. Because it gives Wallhart a further reason for why he would want to prevent Grima's revival. Because Alm & Celica had encountered the fell dragon in a younger form.
Alm and celica are his ancestors
oh HOLY-. Now it all makes sense
@@gxrecxre5085Yep.
Point, but I don't think he needed a reason. Walhart wanted to conquer the world/destroy the 'gods', and Grima, as a 'god', was on that hit list. Grima's existence is common knowledge in Awakening, even in Valm--they had a couple of the Gemstones after all, and Tiki was at the Mila Tree.
He could've had some heirloom knowledge relating to Grima's origin though. That would certainly add an extra layer to his disdain for the 'gods' beyond being an expy for Rudolf and/or Alm (if Celica had properly died).
@@EthanKironus8067Good point. Seriously hate that they added a fake out death to Echoes.
6:54 Engage's developers thinking the multiplayer's a good replacement for an actual postgame/New Game+ is the biggest tragedy here. The game's SP system and the whole "invest into nations for some bonus drops" mechanic is pretty much tailor-made for it.
As someone who just finally recently beat this game, I am also shocked that there's no NG+ or fleshed out postgame, especially after the inclusion of DLC. Skirmishes are nice and all, but the AI is the same in practically every one; they just bumrush you. And once you beat the story and paralogues, you never have to deal with an enemy emblem user again, which makes sense story-wise but is a huge disappointment gameplay wise when they are ripe for creative combos of skills, abilities, and emblem weapons to challenge the player with. It feels like a lot of untapped potential.
You do unlock 10 more difficulty levels in Tempest Trials which is...nice I suppose.
Legitimately my only real critique of Engage.
Its part of why the game doesn't have much of a lasting impression there is little to do after beating it.
@@TheMaestroMizerousI think this is a particularly weird criticism for Engage because, well, this video demonstrates that most games in this series don't give you much to do after beating it once besides trying again on a harder difficulty or with different units/builds.
Fire Emblem games could use more postgame 'arcs' that expands on the universe/lore. In SoV, learning where Grima came from was satisfying, and you got to fight it in a way that made sense. So cool!
Engage could have used one of these, wtf is an "Emblem Zero" and why couldn't we fight it??
There definitely should have been the reason for the tempest trial building and have a secret ex chapter if you clear every area on the highest level or something
Nah Three Houses definitely could've used some post game stories showing how for example, each lord manages a new Foldlán and the inevitable political strife that ensues
@@PeruvianPotatoThat‘s less a post game and more an „Akt 3“.
But I completely agree.
Emblem Zero is Captain Falcon duh
It's honestly hard to really imagine many post games in Fe. Echoes somehow did it best bringing it back full circle to awakening and giving a super boss at the end in grima. Most of the time Fe seems to like to do side quests or prequel chapters instead of something after story.
It's hard to find a threat after beating god but that just meant baby grima was already better than god
You missed something - Clearing the game on Maniac or Lunatic and above in New Mystery unlocks free class for Male units - so units aren't locked to A or B type
The Engage developers kneecapped the longevity of their game… For @*#&ing Wi-fi battles!?
On a system that requires a paid subscription no less
Thabes was actually scary, I remember being scared from being chased by monsters, I also didnt know you could just retreat to get out of the dungeon. I thought you had to clear it in one go, but that made it more fun.
Seeing Astra in Echoes makes me enormously jealous I've done so many Lybrinth runs and I still haven't seen any of the special weapons since I beat the game which for context was a week after the game was released
The grind for all the legendary weapons was a lot of fun. I got all of them... I think. I know that I accidentally had a unit die on the 9th floor after getting the final weapon one time, and I had to put the game down and walk away, but I don't remember if I went BACK and got it.
Same here, the special weapons and 1 medal are the only things I miss. I will get them though eventually
Im surprised you didnt include the renown rewards in awakening. Or the ability to recruit past avatars/high level units from other games. Its not technically postgame, but the renown system does work like ng+. You get more free stuff the more renown registered for new campaigns.
@iceneko9170
I always felt like Apotheosis was the post game.
@@U2B4UIt honestly would be if it wasn't relegated to DLC.
There is one thing, you forgot to mention about echoes: Thabes holds the last memory prism, which you can pick up, after beating Grima (or you forget to pick it up, making you having to go through the entire dungeon again)
Thabes and NG+ are just awesome. Wish more FE games would lean either direction; either let me carry over my hard work on all my units, or give me more than the last handful of chapters to use them on when they're at full power.
I fondly remember pulling an allnighter going through Thabes for the first time in my cleric only playthrough, easily one of my favourite experiences playing FE
Echoes. I forgot about it entirely, and I came back to it a couple years later and knew I had to beat it.
The only post game content I want is a built in randomizer.
Start a new game with options like random/reverse recruitment, and randomized classes. It's always fun using those hacks. I love getting an endgame unit as a early game pre-promote and getting to use them the whole game lol
God yeah... I miss the time where "Build in Cheats" where a reward for finishing.
Dude Thabes Labyrinth was absolutely peak, I will always remember that experience. Also just had a great idea for post game in the FE4 Remake. After the epilogue where you beat the game, Seliph and crew should be able to journey to each of the areas in lore where members of the first Gen were turned to stone and free them using the Kia staff and have them be playable, then you would have access to characters like Lachesis, Asbel, and the a few others maybe in some trial map or in your next playthrough of Gen 2
Surprised he didn't talk more about how much time you could spend in awakening and fates just perfecting your army. Awakening relied on spotpass a lot for this, yeah, but it was still by far the most extensive postgame in the series, and that's now counting how much the DLC added to it. Usually people wouldn't have paired up all the female characters so you still had new paralogues to play and new characters to unlock, not to mention spotpass chapters did the "let's recruit the unrecruitable characters" the best in the series, as long as we count them as non-canon, as they included a narrative with all those recruitments. Fates was also really cool with the reclassing system and the child units were the same as awakening so it also added a lot.
He explained almost NOTHING about the extra content in Fates.
The problem is that half of the content you mentioned - the DLC and Spotpass - aren't available anymore if you haven't already accessed it. I never bought the Awakening DLC, so I can't ever experience fighting Uber Anna unless I find a 3DS with that downloaded.
@@ShermTank7272 Still not a good enough reason to not mention it at all considering it was available for 10 years and how many people used all those features so much. Also don't give up just yet.. Piracy is very much a thing, and you can access all of awakening's content thanks to it.
Honestly would have loved it if Thabes gave you the amiibo ghosts as playable characters.
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Thebes Labyrinth is the best postgame because it shows ultra-powered enemies but they are far enough away that they don't affect the plot like how Gangrel is underleveled compared to gaiden bosses.
I’d consider unlocking the rest of the child paralogues in fates and awakening to be significant post game content because it’s highly unlikely one would unlock every paralogue over the course of a regular playthrough
I honestly find it hard to imagine not unlocking every paralouge as once you unlock the one for Lucina's sibling, and likely Morgan's, most people would likely start working on their pairing to get the kids.
@@pokedude720I honestly never did. My brain really didn't conceive the idea of, "S supports unlock more units" and at that point, Awakening was my 5th game in the series with none of the previous games having anything like skirmishes or having more than 5 supports per character (just for clarification the 4 previous were Blazing Sword, Shadow Dragon, Path of Radiance, and Radiant Dawn).
So I didn't get all the child units in one go through cause I didn't care about supports and I was used to playing the game more linear. So I was able to get maybe 5 child units, but never bothered to go get the rest.
@@pokedude720I'm not going to be able to use every parent unit in one blind playthrough, which also means I've got no incentive to unlock every kid because I can't use all of them either.
Engage allows you to do fixed growths on hard and normal after beating the game.
Funny how they mixed it up on release and left it like that for about 2 months
@@SinNun-tx5jp hm?
Huh, I didn't realize that the FE6 promo maps actually had official images in magazines (accept for the bandits map). They aren't on tcrf, guess I should update the page lol.
Personally, and this is probably my bias showing, but I enjoyed how Radiant Dawn held back on its answers to some story elements, but gave little tidbits of extra lore through playing the game multiple times. And sure, this isn't exactly something that one would expect to find without the internet probably, but it's cool to see nontheless.
The post-game for Echoes was done really well and Thabes definitely upped the ante with how much the difficulty spiked.
Awakening's postgame starts after Chapter 11 : )
Outside of Sacred Stones and maybe Fates PvP I wouldn't consider Fire Emblem to be a series that seems interested in keeping player retention after the credits roll. Engage made that more than clear to me.
You forgot to mention the Awakening paralogues where you're able to recruit Emmeryn, Gangrel, Aversa, Walhart, Yen'fay AND Priam. HOW CAN YOU FORGET PRIAM
Those get unlocked before the final map
We don't talk about Priam
@@tirex3673 they're technically only available once you beat Chapter 25 (second to last map). While yes technically you're correct I still think it's incorrect to not deem them as postgame content because you can technically play them and beat them before fighting Grima as this is only the case because no matter how many times you beat the final chapter it will never show up as completed (meaning that you can always replay the final chapter)
@@AzumarillConGafasBv Why?
@@AkameGaKillfan777Cause he's controversial as to why he's Ike's descendant and it doesn't want to ruin the headcanon of some people that Ike made off with either Soren or Ranulf.
Man, I know so many people from fire emblem just from heroes. I’ve played Awakening, Fates, 3H, Echoes and Engage. Oh and am playing the very first fire emblem game on the switch. I think it’s called shadow dragon. What I really wish I could play are the older ones. Especially genealogy. That one has so many cool characters. I think Eyvel and Mareeta are in there. Maybe I’m wrong.
Oh how can I forget about sacred stones. It looks so sick as well. That was the one with Marisa. I do like her character a lot.
Eyvel and Mareeta are in Thracia 776, which is like a sidestory that ties into Genealogy. Both games are super fun, I hope you get to play them soon!
I'm afraid that you're a tad mistaken. The Fire Emblem game with Eyvel and Mareeta is Thracia 776
I hope to be able to play Genealogy one day as well. Either in a remake or in a re release.
@@Zekken_The_Lodestar emulation? It's a SNES game and you can easily find a translated ROM, but they aren't easy games,I wasn't able to pass chapter 2 of Geneology.
@@asafesseidonsapphire maybe sometime I can find one of them. Thanks for the information.
I know it's NG+ not Postgame, but honestly Fates letting you "save" units so you can buy their skills and such next go round was great as a way to play around with strong skills as a pseudo post-game trial map type thing.
If i could have anything I'd want a post game for Sacred Stones that explained wtf Formortiis is in the cosmology of the world. Like what's a demon lord compared to the devine dragon. Hes clearly not a fell dragon but he kinda functions like Loptus. Playing echoes just makes me crave it more with the way they fleshed out wtf Grima is.
We begin waiting 2 years for the next one of course!
but first we talk about how much we hated engage. then love it after the next game comes out
@@summerwinter89it won't happen with Engage
I think the lack of NG+ is what made engage less... Well engaging for me. In three houses I can work my team to clear maddening after doing a bow only run so I can get accuracy +20 for everyone to help with the early game.
I really am glad Thabes was added to echoes , It's such a cool , scary and powerful addition to an Already amazingly faithful remake. Still to this day I return to Sacred Stones vanilla or Rom and play until I unlocked all the Characters in the post game. It's just so fun and amazing and I love these post game parts so much
I never got past the second floor of the ruins in FE8 I think the for me the weapon durability did fair well against the hordes of enemies coming at you the relic weapons had almost no durability and iron weapons did like no damage and the fact I don’t have enough time during my normal life means I could never finish it .
Nice going to anybody who could beat it you have my respect 😅
If they did a remake of Sacred Stones and gave the ruins the Thabes treatment where you could at least bookmark your progress and maybe balance the weapons a bit better I think I’d enjoy it way more than I did.
Thabes Labyrinth was very fun and challenging I don’t understand why people don’t like it, but we’re all different I guess.
Great video mate keep up the great work.👍🏼
3 houses and its renown system was the best post-game system I have seen in a game in years.
15:32 Yoh, playable Berkut and Rinea would be lit!
Lit like Rinea🔥
@@diesertypie Ba-dum dshshshsh!!!
Engage's Postgame could have been amazing if it had an equivalent to the Lagdou Ruins in FE8. I've played through the Fell Xenologue twice now and the maps just don't feel the same due to all the restrictions the game places on you. Having a postgame dungeon in Engage would have been perfect for grinding levels and gold to max out the donation levels for each nation.
What happens when a fire emblem game ends?
You start a new game.
Awakening and Echoes are still my two favorite games. I love the Future Past DLC of Awakening, and the postgame with Grima in Echoes basically had me losing my mind. I may be biased because they were already my favorite games before I played any post-game, but both those games just cater to my tastes in a way no other Fire Emblem game has. I hope to play Radiant Dawn at some point in the future, and I’m hoping it will give me some of the same feelings I had the first time I played the other two games
The lack of of a New Game+ in Engage is what instantly killed the experience for me. The lack of a support log being saved through playthroughs made replaying the game feel pointless as any progress you work for in one playthrough become irrelevant in the next (I usually 100% support logs in FE games, so this was a particular blow to me). I wanted to replay the game over and over until all the supports were seen / wake up conversations / pact ring scenes were seen, but after seeing that the game doesn't keep a log, I played it only 3 times and dropped. They really prioritized the gameplay to be fun while dumping everything else.
And even then the gameplay isn't even close to being as good as it's cracked up to be.
If there was SOMETHING extra to do after beating a playthrough and the game had an actually good soundtrack, I MIGHT have not returned it. Though it would still just be a worse version of Fates in almost every way.
No, altered level-ups barely change anything, and it it was up to me, I would just make all future FEs have fixed growths on different files, the only small exception being what class you're in.
Anything that let's me play as characters I couldn't normally is an A+ for me
No one is talking about Apotheosis? Is that not Awakening’s post game?
That's paid DLC though. It's not part of the base game.
@hozus.7330
Fair point.
@@U2B4UIt's true that it would absolutely be a monstrous challenge for the postgame, but yeah, DLC is mean.
For engage allowing access to all units at level one in subsequent playthroughs so you don't have to use all the same units at the beginning of each playthrough would help replayability.
My favorite post game was Path of Radiance's Trial Maps. These are the only Trial Maps you can play in English on official hardware, and they're amazing! They provided us with an answer to item hording: no matter how many times you play these maps, your weapon durability will revert back to what it was when you cleared the game after the map ends. This means you can finally go full ham with all the legendary weapons (that are available to you) plus the pseudo-Legendary Forged weapons you create yourself with no consequences whatsoever! To make this even better, you get more legendary equipment from the unlockable characters! For example, Shiharem has an extra Full Guard (nullifies effective damage), Bryce has the S-Rank Wishblade (basically this game's Gradivus), and Ashnard, hoo boy, Ashnard. HE HAS COMPLETE INVINCIBILITY, AND HIS OWN PERSONAL 1-2 RANGE SWORD, AND HIGHER THAN AVERAGE MOVEMENT, AND HIS FINAL BOSS THEME!!! You have to put in an unreal amount of work to get him, but it's sooooo satisfying to mow down entire maps as the Final Boss himself!
I like to imagine Thabes is canon and that Alm and Celica at least went there.
I'm surprised that you didn't talk about the final few paralogues from Awakening where you recruit Aversa, Walhart, Emmernyn, Priam, etc... Those are basically the game's post game content.
Technically not considering it's unlocked right before the final chapter. If it became available right after beating the game though...
You technically have the renown stuff too. If you have a bunch of characters registered new playthroughs get a bunch of new items.
@@laith7266 That's because the game resets once you've beaten the final map to right before the chapter. The game also doesn't really recognize them as Story relevant as the characters don't have any supports with characters outside of Robin. Story wise, it also doesn't make any sense for them to happen after the Big Bad has already been dealt with because of what happens to Robin in the final level and the fact that all of them are dead in the story(outside of Priam).
@rakurai4953
I always felt like Apotheosis was the post game content.
@@U2B4U That is definitely the hardest map in the game, but because it's DLC, I wouldn't include it in this list
Gamergard and everything else in that animation style is so adorable!
I loved new game plus, the most common use of it for me was just buying the class mastery skills. Theres a certain unique fun challenge in setting up a situation where a unit can survive tons of attacks and go through many rounds of combat for the mastery XP to get it really quickly, but... sometimes i dont wanna hit pass turn for 67 turns. new game plus does make it easier, so i try to not use things that wouldnt normally be available to me. like i dont buy death blow instantly lol. but also mostly for recruiting people to have different teams, even though that usually makes chapter 13 a nightmare lmao
now that dlc is a thing i highly doubt we will get something like echoes again hack that was even crazy to get when it came out most games just put post game in dlc instead sadly like i would be happy if we got something like 3h or maybe even unlock some non playable or boss characters for post game that would probably be enough to satisfy me but obviously getting something like echoes and fe8 would be the best of the best but i don't think will ever happen again
I remember finally beating the Thabes labrynth. It was a painful experience, especially since I wanted to do it without overclassing any units
Something I would love: replayable maps.
Similar to how Engage scales skirmish battles to your highest level units, chapter maps could scale up.
For example: CQ 10. Who doesn’t love it? Imagine taking your end game team vs scaled up enemies there. Master Ninjas, Spear Masters, Falcon Knights, Oni Chieftains, and Snipers.
I think it would so much fun.
Or Reunion at Dawn with end game teams?
I think that would really allow for fun builds and good investing, especially for games like Awakening, Fates, and TH
At first I thought, "There are replayable maps, why do you think they are skirmishes?"
But yeah, having the same win conditions instead of just "Rout the enemy" would be a good way to go. Luckily Fates DLC got it right with the Elincia's Gambit map, by making it a defense map with a turn limit or rout the boss condition.
I'm not big on the grindy stuff so I actually like the trial maps most and in particular the Path of Radiance ones due to the music.
It'd be awesome to see NG+, post-game maps expecting you to max your units, and post-game lore all in a single game. I'm excited for a new remake next that hopefully has some fun post-game stuff with bonus lore, but a new game can hopefully take more liberties with how it's set up and won't need to follow the traditional formula they always try to.
You didn't mention that Fates allows you to recruit units from previous runs.
I'm torn between the campaigns from fe 7, the creature campaign from sacred stones and thanes from echoes. Loved them all.
Thabes is probably my favourite part of echoes at this point. I almost wish they brought more of that energy to the rest of the dungeon exploration instead of just making it mostly 1 to 1.
I think Ladgou Ruins gets unlocked when you get to the Final Chapter actually... but I guess close enough.
Thinking that playing against others in Fire Emblem would be fun, clearly shows the developers have never asked people how they play Fire Emblem... Fire Emblem is already a very slow series on the gameplay front, so having the game be even SLOWER by having to wait on random people on the internet to make moves, really didn't help!
Do you have a vidoe explaining the lore of Duma?
In Echoes I only finished the main story and didn't go through the post game content.
Been loving these worst to best rankings. I think my favorite Korn album is probably Follow the Leader or Take a Look in the Mirror. But like you said everything from Issues up in your vid is solid af.
I got some band requests:
Sum 41
AFI
Deftones
Incubus
I feel like these bands have mostly banger albums. Curious of your takes.
i hope for when the time comes and they remake binding blade they do something with idunn for the post game
12;00 Anyone else getting Nergal flashbacks? No? Just me? Okay!
The thumbnail is so cute!
This video made me realize that Engage, while recent, was not the only one with lack of post game. Although, in defense of a game like Awakening, it was so easy to grind for exp not unlike Engage.
@PirateCommando
I’m interested in hearing your thoughts on Awakening’s Apotheosis.
I always considered that to be Awakening’s postgame.
What about Awakening's DLC? I thought it was cool, especially how it has us go back to the ruined future and fighting an stronger version of Grima.
That Echoes postgame was so hard that I did not finish it 😂
This video is really neat!
The Thabes Labyrinth is by far my favorite [despite its difficulty]. I could always appreciate that they chose to give a deeper backstory to the scariest villain in the FE franchise, too.
It would’ve been nice to be rewarded with a new character each time…. but I was more than fine with the surprise at the end back then.
Echoes post game is easily the best for me. I've never actually beaten it because it's been awhile since I've played Echoes and the one time I got to like the ninth floor and found Astra, the cartridge came out, but it's definitely what a post game should be for the series (also if dungeons came back that would be super rad)
I know you made this video just to talk about Thabes. To be fair, it is an absolutely awesome post-game
Beat the game, credits roll, revert back to last save before starting final mission is my least favorite type of post-game
Honestly I think I've only ever touched the trial maps once in PoR. Sure like it's conceptually neat to get characters for completing extra maps, but if they don't have any story related stuff attached and can only be used in said maps...why should I bother. I think Thabes is my personal favorite post game since it made a character I wasn't interested in far more fascinating and creepy while also ramping up the difficulty.
I could definitely see a midquel during the timeskip Post game for 3H, or time related shenanigans in Engage. I suppose it is logical to focus more on the main game but still.
Also, while Fire Emblem may not be intentionally designed for it, the games are still very friendly to challenge runs or doing weird crap like 'oops! all generics' or '+30% enemy growths, baby' or even 'Homeless Dragon -- No Somniel, No Babyrealms, no fun' runs thanks to the understandable math underlying the franchise. The franchise just doesn't really need New Game Plus the way, say, Shining Force or Der Langrisser does.
Like, to this very day, people are still doing Ironmans and 0% growths of Fates and Thracia and Blazing Blade. Or doing experiments like 'what if Lyn was in the Binding Blade'.
Modders are a very small part of the community
I consider the awakening bonus units as post game content coming in later with game updates. With getting emmeryn walhart and co being added as party members.
Echoes while one of my least favorite games. The post game is incredible to see them expand on grima even further as I had a theory when awakening was new that he has divine powers in him and that proved me right.
I never really played the post game or sacred stones. I did a map or two but it just didn't feel fun to me.
3 houses gameplay is meh so the new game plus just makes it more bearable to play the other routes without wasting my time trying to recruit all the house students. Getting them immediately is always good.
I’ve actually unlocked Ashnard in POR. He’s fun but probably not that worth it
FE series takes so much years to create a game. The Tower as post game gives replayablility. It keeps us fed until a the next one is announced.
Rougelike dungeons are nice to add to this series
Imagine a dungeon or labyrinth floors full of enemies that are so powerful or arent from their current world, beats the 100 floor and reaching it its the boss from past or future hint enemy
While it still has a lot of replay value, i was so disappointed when I got ready to do my maddening playthrough of engage and realizing they don't have new game plus
Awakening has a very good post-game with apotheosis being the final challenge of the game needing you to master the game's mechanics (and grind a lot), and all the extra spot pass map (being really dumb but fun still). Awakening DLC are really solid in that regard.
@inigosorneiz4536
Thank you, I was searching for this comment.
I was a wondering why people are saying Awakening has no post game.
The problem though is that it's DLC, not included on the cartridge. Which is even _more_ of a problem today, now that the 3DS shop is shut down - unless you've already purchased and downloaded the 3DS DLC, it's completely inaccessible
The only times I stuck around after the end for an FE game was Awakening to try some of the DLCs (and I quit, because the enemies were overlevelled as hell)
And Echoes, where I started exploring the dungeon, died to a dragon encounter after maybe 30-60 minutes, and realised it was a waste of time. I guess it's fine for people who DO want to find reasons to keep playing and building characters, but, these games already have amazing replayability.
Will you try Unicorn Overload ? It's so good. 😁
I dont know...banking on PvP as if it was a Pokémon game (worse because you can still get pretty RNG screwed) doesn't sound like the wisest decision.
I don't think I ever did Thabes Labyrinth in Echoes. Might have to give that a shot at some point.
As of now Creature Campaign is definitely my favorite post game content. I'm not sure I'd really classify Three Houses New Game+ as post game content though. Yes it is unlocked by completing the game, but it's just a means to replay the game more easily on a new story route or the same one again. It's not any additional content like Creature Campaign.
I agree that Engage missed an opportunity here. It brought back the world map, but there is nothing new that appears after the main game is finished. Just more skirmishes that will randomly spawn endlessly I guess. I think they might have also intended for the Tempest Trials to be post game content? But I was never particularly interested in those. Would have rather seen a new Tower of Valni/Lagdou Ruins type area.
Trial Maps are the worst. I never both with them. Totally agreed on that point.
I remember buying Fire Emblem Echoes, I got the special edition, which came with the Amiibo's, I had no idea extra area's where hidden in the game because of them.
How to make a fire emblem game replayable:
Randomizers
I love NG+
My day is always significantly better when a Faerghast vid drops.
Might be in the minority here, but I'll always prefer a finished game over any post-game content. That certainly leans my interests more towards new game+, although I'd like more characters being unlocked.
A spoiler warning for the non-post game story stuff would’ve been helpful, given that most aren’t accessible on new consoles.
This might be a hot take, but I honestly don't care about post game content anymore. I want to play the game and be done with it, not feel like the game is stretching me along for dozens of extra hours just to occupy my time. If I want to play the game more I'll play it again. I want to play a game once through and be happy with it. I fundamentally don't understand why people act like a game not having endless content and ng+ is a death sentence. It's that sort of attitude that's created the live service gaming hellscape of the modern era.
There's a stark difference between postgame content that is there on the disc from the beginning and live services that drip-feed endgame content over the course of several months or years of updates. I don't need to "log in" to Fire Emblem every week to check what they added and grind it out; the postgame is there from the beginning, I can choose to play it or not, and if I do play it I can take it at my own pace.
I can see the argument that it may bloat the game (especially stuff like unlocking bonus characters; what reasonable person would beat the same game fifteen times in a row?), but offline postgame content and live service endgame content are entirely different beasts.
Just giving post-game skirmishes a random assortment of unqiue enemy units (with Capture returning) would be enough for me.
Maddening mode!
Ah, the Thabes Labyrinth. I remember five acts of Echoes of mostly everyone on both teams being useful, and then taking the boat to Archanea where only Alm and Celica were worth a damn.
Three Hopes has a NG+ too!
**shudders**
If you know, you know.
Can someone please explain what's so apparently ungodly repulsive about NG+ in 3 Hopes, instead of just acting like it touched them as a child?
If I remember correctly, you get to keep your unit lvls and weapons. I steamrolled the game a second time around. @@AkameGaKillfan777
@@ShiniiXO Okay, so what's the catch?
Guess I'll never know
Very rarely FE games have post-credits, since there’s wasn’t a need to logically.
The credits roll.
Solo the ruins final floor with Ross was easy but on the 2nd run i felt like changing ross into a dark mage so used the stone i glitched to get and made him a dark mage and f up my Ross never touched him since he crashed my game when ever i used him ahh to be young and stupid with little access to the internet lol
I've found that even the best games I've played struggle with making the postgame. I think the two most interesting examples are Chrono Trigger DS and La Pucelle Tactics.
Chrono Trigger had a strict "no filler" rule, to the point that an entire pyramid dungeon was scrapped. This rule was ditched when making the DS port's Lost Sanctum, which gives you non-stop obnoxious fetch quests and is the very thing the original game was trying to avoid. It gets to the point that the Lost Sanctum is sometimes said to lower the average quality of the game.
La Pucelle Tactics had the first battle against Baal in the Disgaea universe. When localizing the game to the US, Disgaea was already available, so someone decided to include a battle against DISGAEA Baal. And it's terrible. It's twice the level of the first Baal despite not adding higher level training maps, completely messing up the balance of the game up to that point. It means that your entire team is likely to be replaced by a squad of Baal (since you can recruit multiple times), meaning *your Est* falls off despite being encouraged to grind. Speaking of which, since no extra training maps are added (which was *not* fixed in the Ragnarok ports) the grinding will be done by having your units kill each other until they reach level 4000. Unlike the first Baal, there's also no tension because it's playing the world map theme and it's DISGAEA Baal in name only (it's just a recolored Normande). They did not learn their lesson for the EU release and added Phantom Baal, which has similar problems but at least it does vaguely resemble a form Baal did take in other NIS games.
It would be great if we could get another game with Echoes' exploration, so much potential and creativity came with that aspect of the game
I missed out on all the DS games, but I think the differences in FE7 between the routes gave a lot of value, although hector's becoming more the "default" route for just most complete/hardest nullifies Eliwood's in the end. And ya, 3H NG+ was nice to get all the story without spending an extra 50h per playthrough getting all the between-mission grinding done
7:00 While relying on online communication battles is fine, most people play by themselves.
I definitely liked Echoes Thabes Labyrinth, the dungeon crawl was fun if not hard with all the masks in there.