New S&W Bodyguard 2.0 vs Ruger LCP Max Gun Comparison
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- The New S&W Bodyguard 2.0 vs Ruger LCP Max Gun Comparison. Pros and Cons of each side by side. Thanks to @SmithAndWessonInc and @RugerFirearms for partnering with us.
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Smith took away height from the slide and added it to the grip. Smart.
Hammer vs striker
The bodyguard’s grip is also slightly more angled too
That height of the bore axis on the Ruger is what I like least. It may be time to get rid of it for this!
It helps someone grip it....
@@timmeinschein Who might that "someone" be? It certainly ain't me. I HATE the LCP MAX grip. The bore axis is so high it needs an altimeter.
Love seeing Maryville, TN on the slide. Sorry Mass, you ran them off. Us Tennesseans thank you.
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Same thing CO did with Magpul. Back in 2012 with the 15 rd mag restrictions. Days before the law went into effect, Magpul dropped thousands and thousands of free PMags in crates from helicopters at parks in CO as an eff you. Then they moved shop to the more free state of Wyoming. CO loses $80 million per year in tax revenue for being woke.
.....how many cats you got catman ?
Consequences 😂
Can't wait to buy another Shield Plus, this time with Murrville on it.
He's loving the Smith & Wesson while trying not to cut the umbilical cord from Ruger!😅😂
@@HectorPerez-jp1jx 🤣🤣
He has been carrying the MAX for basically 3 years now, its hard to let that daily one go!
Great guns both, I’m sold on the recoil for the follow up shot
It's not hard when Smith & Wesson just gave you the brand new bodyguard😅 @@donnyarmstrong9559
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You've officially sold me on the Smith. I already have the Ruger LCP MAX 75th anniversary editionand I carry it more than anything else. But after seeing that extended grip and lower bore axis.... I must have one. 10/10 video once again. Thank you!
You'll love it!
I feel the same too. The LCP Max is unbelievably snappy.
I have the 75th anniversary also. Paid $339 for mine.
The S&W comes with a 10 round magazine and a 12 round magazine in the box. I don't know why he didn't say that.
He did say that@@JamesTennyson-ve4cj
Both the original LCP and Bodyguard left much to be desired. The Max and 2.0 are great improvements, and both good choices for a front pocket carry. Glad we have some good options.
I had the original, and never had any problems with it, shoots great. It’s dependable reliable, and fun to shoot. You have to get used to the trigger, but it’s accurate. I like the double stack magazines, more rounds.
Your videos really couldn't be any better. So much detail. Appreciate you!
The front sight on the BG 2.0 is also a tritium night sight.
good to know, thanks
My LCP Max came with tritium front
@brucehaynes3044 That's why I said "also".
I don’t think the version he has had the night sight. There’s a couple variations on the S&W website. The one with tritium is the 2.0 NTS.
@@stevekoelliker6764 There are two variations, one with the thumb safety (TS) and one without (NTS). Both have the front night sight.
I appreciate these sort of thorough and honest reviews.
I work at a sports and outdoor shop and I will go ahead and tell you smith really did something with the new body guard. Im going to be getting my own very soon. And I believe anyone that puts their hands on one will be considering replacing their current micros
I held one today. It's perfect in every way.
@@Garrett8098
Will it fit in a pocket holster and stay well hidden?
@@berniemadoff7837 I would say it depends on how big you are and what kind of pants you're wearing. I wear cargo shorts a lot in the summer and I'd say I'm average to athletic build pretty average height, and it'd work just fine in a pocket holster in my cargo pocket. That being said I choose to carry it IWB at 3 o'clock. Very comfortable with the Desantis gunhide pro stealth holster with an extra mag pouch.
He down played the price. You can find the LCP Max for $259. The Bodyguard 2.0 is $399. That's a big difference. Especially if you have to buy a night sight on the Bodyguard 2.0.
@@Steven-gv1ke The bodyguard 2.0 has a tritium insert on the front sight.
I've always said that they would make a ruger lcp max with a 3.5 barrel instead of the 2.8 barrel and call it ruger lcp max+, it would still be highly concealable and a lot less snappy
Might be a grip issue. Hands should be fatigued even after just 200 rounds. I don't find the little guns to be Snappy. Almost 200lb grip strength though.
It's not that I have a grip issue as my hands aren't that big and fits the lcp max nicely, but a longer barrel just equals better accuracy and higher velocity. My daily carry is a sig p365 9mm though I didn't mind the snappiness of the 3.1 barrel I ended up changing the slide for a p365 XL one with a 3.7 barrel and has made me overall more accurate with it and very pleasant at the range!
@@BAMewsd skill issue
@@dlittle9556I'm still relatively a new shooter so definitely a skill issue as well 😂😂😂
Isn’t there the ruger security 380?
Oh wow - this is great. Thanks for posting! My wife carries the original Bodyguard and I carry the original LCP. Awfully tempting to upgrade!! Glad to see that the new version of the LCP locks open when it's empty.
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@@zanelittlegray I agree
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I actually got a chance to see one in person,I was amazed how small the new Smith & Wesson Bodyguard is.I asked my local gun store if they had the new Smith & Wesson Comp,or Shield Plus Comp,and they didn’t,but got the new Bodyguard in.I think it is pretty awesome with how small it is.I like you can just throw it in your pocket,and it is awesome EDC gun.The one I seen at the store was sold,and it was immediately sold when they got it in.I feel Smith & Wesson has knocked it out the park with all there new guns that just came out.
Wow, thanks so much. Your 1st video was great. But to get a comparison to its closest competitor is awesome, thanks!
I see the Ruger on sale quite often in my area and online for 250 to 299 I really like the Smith but gonna wait until the new wears off and catch a sale lol
Well, dammit, I guess I'm buying a new S&W! I swore I wouldn't. What a well done comparison!!
Same boat. Darn it.
Ditto. from a guy that has the OG LCP and the LCP Max...
Just got an email advertisement for the Bodyguard 2.0 and immediately searched for your review. Impressed that you had a side by side which was gonna be my next search. Very well done and as a LCP Max owner you sold me on the Smith. I only went with the Ruger originally due to how bad the Smith Bodyguard 1.0 was but they fixed everything and more!!
If you be my Bodyguard, I can be your long lost pal 😊
Great comment
I got an original bodyguard I named Betty because of this song
@chrisf752 Nice, unfortunately you don’t seem to be called Al
lol
LoL, nice. : ) I think I'll name mine Paul... mostly because I know it would make him mad! : D
Well crafted Sir!
I have the Max. It is good, but I don't like the trigger with the internal hammer. I really like the idea of the BG.
M*CARBO
Everyone keeps bringing them up together and this is the first video I've seen of them side by side.... Nice...
If you pick the two guns up and fire them back to back, you will realize that the LCP is out of its league. BG 2.0 wins hands down.
I carry my LCP MAX everywhere, all the time. Don't see a need to switch.
Indeed, it's in my pocket 90% of the time.
Id buy a 15 rds 380 if a little bigger and heftier for plinking and some edc.
I’ve carried a max for over 2 years and it’s perfect in cargo pants or shorts but a little hard to get out of wrangler cowboy cut jeans pocket. I would love to get the bodyguard 2.0 but I can’t go any bigger and I know my limitations with these pocket rockets.
Put a 2.0 in your hand once and try the trigger and then you'll see the difference.
@@shawnebeling9297 Just don't do it while it's inside your pocket 🧐
Dude, it's a Ferrari vs a covered wagon when it comes to shootability. I own both, and the LCP Max stays in a drawer these days.
Thanks, Sootch. I saw your vid on the Bodyguard 2.0 on Tuesday. So impressed with the presentation, I went to my local gun shop that afternoon, and to my surprise, they had one in the case and had gotten 5-6 of them that day. As soon as I saw it and gripped it, I told my favorite salesperson: "Sold". Looking to finally replace my Glock 42, I traded it and paid less than the $399 price. It pairs perfectly with my Shield Plus; two great guns. Every other review I've seen, this gun is impressing everyone.
Is it as soft shooting as the G42? I've had my G42 since shortly after it was launched, and have always been so amazed at how soft it shoots. Even my tiny wife can handle the G42 without issue. In fact, it's the gun she learned to shoot with.
The only negative I have on my Bodyguard 2.0 is that NOBODY has spare magazines in stock yet.
@@floorpizza8074 That is my question too. I love my G42. It is the easiest to shoot 380 out there. Very little recoil and very accurate (for me). It just needed more capacity. I need to go to a range to shoot the bodyguard 2.0 and compare. But I like it as an alternative to the LCP Max
@@tourproto I was hoping to be able to answer this question by now, but I'm unable to find it in stock anywhere. I'm on the "notify me" lists for all four local GS's.
I finally got an "in stock" email from one of them yesterday, and in the two hours it took from the time the email was sent til the time I read it, they sold out.
@@tourproto I finally got my hands on a BG 2.0 last Friday. Took it and my G42 to the range on Saturday. My wife and I agree that the G42 is still the low recoil champ, but not by much. The BG 2.0 is very soft shooting for a micro pistol, and the G42 just *barely* edges it out. We both love it. Now she wants one.
Mine has the typical BG 2.0 issue of shooting left. I haven't measured or drifted the sight yet, but it'll definitely get done before our next outing.
Sootch always coming through with what's on the people's mind!
Bought the lcp max a couple of months ago, and it is slightly larger than the original LCP, and this is slightly larger than the max in slide length - all of those “slightly larger”s add up. The max prints in most pockets of mine, it does not just slip into a pocket holster and disappear. I think the extra length of the bodyguard will probably be enough to expose the back of the slide in most pockets. At that point I’d rather just carry appendix with 9/357/45, something larger.
Not so. I pocket carry mine and it's deep enough that it doesn't show at all. Also, the more rounded contours of my S&W 2.0 make it harder to see in my jeans front pocket than the blocky Ruger. I have both, and my Ruger is going to be traded in soon.
Comments and other reviewers say the BG 2.0 also has a tritium front sight. Might want to mention that. Thanks for a thorough comparison.
I sold one last week. The front sight does have a tritium dot.
The reviewers gun does not have tritium.
@@roverjohnyes it does. I have this gun and his sight looks identical to mine. He just hasn’t looked at it in the dark or really low light. I didn’t even know mine had it until I went to put the gun away in a pretty dark bedroom while trying not to wake my wife.
Both are top notch imo. Waiting on the "newness" to wear off and hope to get one on sale...and it comes with a manual safety option.
Right there with you. Looking for the safety as well.
Yeah. Big miss by Ruger not offering a safety option
First off, thanks for this side by side comparison! We all wanted to see it!
The MAX has been my daily carry for 3 years now. I have over 1500 rounds through it and trust it implicitly. 2 to 3 times a month, since the beginning of this year, I do pocket draw, double & triple tap drills at 10-15 feet with great success. Some time ago, I got rid of the Ruger holster and replaced it with a Galco pocket holster model PRO836B major improvement!
I am intrigued by this new Smith, and I must say, I am NOT a Smith fanboy, but I am way curious about this pistol. I cant wait to get one in my hands here locally and see for myself!
Is it a bad thing to want to own both????
Living my best La Vida Loca here in south eastern Arizona
Does the ruger lcp max have alot of recoil? My wrists bother me so
@@thomasprim8274 yes, it is a bit snappy but manageable.
If your OK with 380, I would look at the Ruger Security 380. While it's not pocket sized, it's recoil is akin to a 22 Mag pistol. 15 round capacity, and reasonable weight.
I have both and recommend both!
@@donnyarmstrong9559 I ended up purchasing kahr 380. Got it on sale lol
@@thomasprim8274 If you have never shot a Glock 42, I HIGHLY recommend it. Words do not exist to explain how soft it shoots! It is EXTREMELY soft shooting. So much so that it's the gun I used to teach my five foot tall wife to shoot with. Micro guns are known for having snappy recoil; the G42 doesn't just have the lightest recoil of any micro I've shot, it beats out most full size .380's as well. It's really an amazing gun. I just wish it had larger capacity.
@@floorpizza8074 do they make it in stainless?
Of course this drops two weeks after I get a Max 😅
I just got the LCP Max last week..😮💨
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@@heathmichael142 There have been a lot of posting on Gundeals group on Reddit for the 75th Anniversary Edition of the LCP Max. I bought my LCP Max way back in December 2021. I may buy the Bodyguard next year for summer carry if it has less muzzle snap.
The bodyguard is better but the max is gonna be a lot cheaper. I don't think it's that much worse for the price difference you can find it at online.
If you paid full retail price though yeah you got screwed.
@@raykettel1837There are heavier springs available for the Max, it should make the recoil more comparable to the bodyguard
Great job on the comparison! I'm a long time shooter and have seen a vast number of your reviews, over the years. This one is one of your best, in that you have done a truly excellent job of covering the advantages and disadvantages of each pistol. You always do, but this video seems even better than normal.
They both appear to be great choices.
Thanks!
Bodyguard is lighter at 9.7 ounces vs 10.8, bodyguard is also thinner at 0.88" vs 0.97". Impressed more with the Smith based on that alone.
He said the bodyguard doesn't come with tritium sights but they are tritium.
There are even more reasons it's better : ... Serrations, .. Grip, .. beaver tail, .. texturing, .. sights, .. overall fit in the hand. And seems more solid and higher quality of design.
He weighed them and the s&w was heavier. He also said the ruger seemed slightly thinner.
You don't care that's incorrect? Did you even watch the video?
I have the Ruger LCP Max and the reason I bought it is due to it's rounded back. These guns are made to hide in the pocket when going out for something quick or for hot summers. The LCP Max has the ability to take it out of any pockets without any snags due to the rounded back.
As soon as I saw the Bodyguard, I knew that I was going to have trouble taking it out of my pockets. Therefore, I suggest the LCP Max.
Bought the Ruger Security 380..hammer fired with a thumb safety, U notch and a fiber optic front.., and if you live in the right state..(which we don't) ...15 round magazine...
Completely different handgun
Its a very good choice but not really in the same catagory as thats almost an inch thick with a longer barrel. This is for deep concealment, that is for edc
@@Gl0ckb1te 1.02" vs 0.88". That's functionally the same size. Unless maybe you're trying to conceal carry in a nudist colony.
@@irysh9Not remotely similar. Security 380 is a Glock 19 sized gun.
The gun I most wanted to love, except it's too unreliable.
I like both. But I think I prefer the S&W without holding either one yet.
Mainly because of the option of having a thumb safety and the build quality is superior IMO.
The thumb safety gives you the ability to have it and not need it versus the need it and not have it option.
I wish the Ruger had a thumb safety also. Just my preference.
Thump safeties are worthless for a carry gun.
@@skoolynugenator1802 not when its in your pocket
@@skoolynugenator1802 You’re right. You probably have unprotected sex with prostitutes hoping that you don’t contract a disease or get a subpoena for child support. That extra safety feature should always be available.
@@zipper396 :)
I’m 5’5 & these 2 guns are the ones I was looking at specifically because of my size. It’s hard to conceal. Thank you for the video! This helped so much!
I have the LCP MAX and love it. Will also get the 2.0 when all the hoopla dies down 🤣 I'm a 380 fan and this would be a great addition to my little arsenal 😉👍
OK.. I found one yesterday and traded in my Spectrum which I didn't really like much. Got the no safety model which is similar to my LCP MAX, so no problem. Gonna shoot it soon. Great review 🎉🙌
I have an LCP Max. It’s a great little pistol, but it is a 2 1/2 finger grip. I have the occasional limp wrist failure to cycle shooting one hand weak hand, simply because it’s so hard to get a solid grip. I can tell just by looking the Smith is going to offer a better grip. I won’t carry a pistol without an extra mag, so I just bought a 12-rounder when I got the Ruger. It gives you a full 3 finger grip. I use an Alabama kydex pocket holster for deep concealment. It’s a great holster. Thanks for another great review! 😃😃😃
How much room is it with the 12 rounder? I went to look at it today and my pinky is not touching. I love how small it is but with my big hands I don't know if I should get this or keep looking for a better option. I need about 2.75 inches for my 3 fingers. I tried to look for grip extensions and I cannot seem to find anything. Any assistance would be appreciated.
I just bought the ruger.380 max a couple of weeks ago, didn't know S&W was coming out with this, oh well. But I'm still pleased with it, an bought 2- 12 rd mags to go with it. But I typically pocket carry here in Fl, so no biggy. I feel confident in it, with the right ammo after doing a months worth of homework before I bought it. Now looking for a dedicated mag holster, preferably a belt side mounted holster for the 12 rd mags, that will contain it. Thx for the vid Sootch
That beaver tail on the S&W is fantastic. Wish more companies would do that.
I literally just bought the LCP Max last week.. might have gone with the BG 2.0 if I had known it was coming out 😮💨
Exactly
I think many have bought it since the 75th Anniversary Edition came out at such competitive sale prices. I bought my LCP Max back in December of 2021 so will have gotten 3 summers of pocket carry with it before I may buy the Bodyguard next year for summer carry.
I was the opposite... I held off on springing for a used P238 I saw recently, and then this got announced and I've been looking at it all week lol. Definitely on my radar.
@@heathmichael142 my friend, it is still a supurb gun, and though I will probably buy the Smith, it won’t be with a trade in.
@@raykettel1837it will be a lot cheaper by then with possible rebates🤑
I have both (got the Bodyguard 2.0 yesterday). It's not a contest, the Bodyguard 2.0 is better in every way.
You got the ruger lcp max too
Good to know. Do you get any slide bite from the Smith? That’s my only real concern. Cuz otherwise it looks superior to the LCP 2 that I now carry.
@@trevisgary9393Yes, I got it a while back and am well trained with it but still shot the Bodyguard 2.0 better right out of the box.
@@travispowell2471 I have heard some concern about that, but the beaver tail is substantial and I never felt like I was being grazed by the slide or anything. Admittedly I have only shot 50rnds so far.
@@tylertripp4939 I tried the original LCP and hated it. It genuinely hurt my hands to shoot. I've "heard" that the original Bodyguard was very similar in that the snappiness would punch the web between the forefinger and the thumb. That alone stopped me from buying a Bodyguard.
In your opinion, is the Bodyguard 2.0 much more comfortable to shoot?
For reference, I daily carry a Sig P365. I can shoot it all day long and it does not hurt my hand. It's just something about narrow frames for me I guess.
I have the LCP Max 75th anniversary and it is my main EDC. With that said. The S&W looks very intriguing and better built than the Ruger. I’m definitely a fan of the takedown operation of the S&W vs the Ruger. I paid $269 for my LCP Max from PSA.
Nice deal
The pocket carry 9/380 battle is so hot right now. So much advancement and progress.
We still have plenty discussion over rifle vs. shotgun and revolver vs. semi-auto, etc., but THIS is the market where we're really seeing innovation and interest.
Oh God I need to.... I need to.... I NEED TO CONSOOOOOOOOOOOM!!!
IM CONSOOOOMING
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@@-_-_-_-318 I think he's/she's/it's trying to say "Consume", but hasn't that capacity...
One significant difference is that you can get the bodyguard 2.0 with a manual safety.
Great review as always. The Smith looks great and the mag fit looks precision. I bought the LCP Max anniversary edition for $279. with the stainless steel slide. The mag fit is kinda sloppy. If you hold pressure on the empty mag it will lock the slide back otherwise not. If you purchase a mag twin pack at the Magshack, the price comes down to about $23 dollars each when on sale. Not bad. It's nice to see S&W step up the gen 2 Bodyguard. Thank you for your honest and very thorough review.
Ruger will replace defective mags. I got some from Lanboy's Armory that have the feed lips spread too far about. They gave me a full refund and said Ruger did not want them back. So then I decided to try to pull the lips in tighter. It took about 30 tries to get them in far enough but they work now. Call Ruger to report the problem and ask for a new mag. I dropped a mag on asphalt. It fell about and I lost one part. I called Ruger and said I lost a part due to my own fault thinking they would sell me that part. They sent a new mag. I later figured out how to find the part on their website. I may order it someday if I order any other parts.
I just bought the 75-year anniversary LCP max and now I really want the BG2.0!
I bought the LCP Max just before I discovered the BG 2.0. I don't like how the Max shoots, bought the 2.0 and I'll have it Tuesday. The Max is gonna get sold, as is my BG 1.0.
That seems to be the general consensus.
I've carried the Ruger II for a few years now, and really like it, but was considering buying the Ruger Max. Now I'll have to take a look at the S&W Bodyguard that is basically the same (except for the caliber) as my S&W 9 Shield plus which I carry all the time. Very nice review. Thank you
Excellent review and comparison. But I thought the BG2 comes with a tritium night sight. Also, featuring the ladies and getting their opinions would have added an important perspective from a critical marketing group.
By far the best video I've seen on either of these CC options, you've earned a sub and the thanks from a soon to be owner of the 2.0
Ruger lcp gen 1 has poor trigger. LCP pro has improved trigger and taller more usable sights. LCP2 has wider grip and better sights than gen 1 but not as tall as pro. Ruger LCP Max has twice the capacity and only .25 in taller and replaceable sights with tridium factory front, also locks back on last round. By far the best pocket option. However, LCP has been less reliable with each version and will jam, not lock back, or stovepipe more than original version. I still prefer the max despite this. S&W bodyguard gen 1 performed flawlessly then after 600 rounds started to have same problems as the ruger. ALL other m&p pistols have been more reliable then glocks and my choice for carry. Having a S&W gen 2 with FIGHTING pistol features is a total win given the same relative size as the LCP max. S&W stainless slide and barrel is such a greater choice as my ruger (and Sootch00's) barrel and parts of the slide have already rusted from pocket carry. My M&P9C gen 1 carried for over a decade every day and minimal care or oil seen has had two minor rust spots on the edges and tiny. Simply superior choice and will be my next purchase for the the m&p bodyguard 380. Thanks Sootch00 for this comparison as this is exactly what I wondered after your last video. Glad you were there VA lobby day 3, 4 years ago now nice to have met you, keep up the greatness!
S&W are just killing it. I've put at least a thousand rounds through 10 different pistols from 6 different brands and the Smiths are the only two that NEVER gave me ANY issues. Not a single FTE or FTF, no mag catches, no trigger hangups. Nothing. No matter what kind of ammo I used.
Smith takes it - nothing else can compare at the moment.
I like how the hand grip is further up and also protected by the beaver tail : more control.
I just traded my lemon LCP MAX for a shield plus. My LCP was a bad one . Keyholing and shooting extremely low. Inaccurate and poorly machined.
I’m definitely looking into the bodyguard 2.0
My experience as well with the LCP Max, if only S&W had come out with this gem sooner.
Same issues here, but i sent it back under warranty and they made it right within a week. They replaced my ejector and barrel and it works great now.
They sent me a complete new Max after 3 returns. No issues.
@@MultiSweener 3 returns?! Sheesh, should have gotten right the firat time. Ruger aint what it used to be.
@@Gl0ckb1te yes. But the best excellent service. They are in NC so it began with the barrel replacement and testing, but the trigger assembly was junk. Rack it and nothing afterwards. It was disappointing. The replacement is fine. Maybe QC an issue? Don't know.
Great review ❗️Thanks for posting ❗️
I will stick with my Ruger LCP II for now, but LCP Max is on my list for the next year 😁
The lcp max 75th anniversary edition is nice and it’s $298-$306 most places I ordered mine through Dunhams Sports
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I like the fact that these two are the same height, yet the S&W grip length is longer. The only thing I dislike about the S&W is that the rear plate(slide to frame) looks open for debris. They really cheaped out there.
Excellent side by side comparison. They both seem to be excellent SA pocket pistols.
Personally, my own preference for small pocket pistols carried with a round in the chamber is that regardless of strike or hammer fire, I prefer them to be DA only for the first shot, and possibly with a thumb safety too. That's based on some knowledge of incidents in which someone has managed to fire their pocket pistol while fumbling a fast pull from their pocket or purse.
We agree, gun owner error, and that every pistol should be drawn only from a holster in a perfect world. Of course the world we are in is not that perfect world and also many people who own small pocket pistols did not get hours and hours of class room instruction and range time before getting the pistol. There is a reason the ultra small pistols are called pocket pistols or purse pistols or even vest pistols. Something to do with they are often carried in pockets. Sometimes barrel up, sometimes barrel down,, depending on the size and looseness of the pocket or purse. Again, in that perfect world nothing else is in that pocket. But again, I have knowledge of times when that rule may have been ignored and pesky house door or car keys entered into the equation.. All of the incidents of that type I am personally aware of involved pocket/vest pistols with single action trigger pulls. I am not personally aware of similar incidents involving pistols with DA only first shot pulls.
I am not sure why both S&W and Ruger ignore that reality and don't offer DA pocket pistols. Some firms do of course, the often copied Walther PPK, the Kahr CW, the Seecamp LWS .380, etc,
I rented the LCP Max, and it was the most painful pistol I've shot. It hurt my trigger finger and the web of my hand. I had a sore on my trigger finger that lasted about a week. I didn't want to finish the box of ammo I got with the rental. Hoping the Bodyguard 2.0 will be less painful to shoot.
Sounds like you need a .22 Short
@@adamsaylor7427 I carry a Canik MC9, but I'm interested in a pocket pistol for occasions where I don't want to conceal the MC9. A gun that chews your hand up is not something I want to carry.
Thanks for a great side by side review! I’m looking forward to doing my own and comparing results.
When he said two of the wives said they were getting them I thought he was saying he has two wives lol
Him being in prepper meeting makes this sound believable 😂
@@Gl0ckb1te that’s also one reason why I thought it lol
@@Gl0ckb1te A Polygamy Prepper.
Another excellent review. Thanks Sootch00!
This man is expert about carefully commenting of each gun so to appease both manufacturers. 😁 And the Bodyguard 2.0 is thinner not the LCP Max, just saying.
So true. The smith is so much better that it’s laughable….and I have a Max too.
Sure is.
@@jagpilotohio literally just got mine during 4th of july weekend... so pissed
@@Gl0ckb1te ouch. I’ve had my max since the week it came out and it’s a good gun but it’s unpleasant to shoot, the trigger is shit, and it kicks like a little mule.
My issue with the S&W is the way the back is shaped. These guns are made to hide in the pocket when going out for something quick or for hot summers. The LCP Max has the ability to take out of any pockets without any snags due to the rounded back. As soon as I saw the Bodyguard, I knew that I was going to have trouble taking it out of my pockets due to the way the back is shaped.
If you have having trouble with muzzle flip, think about getting the barrel ported. I do this with all of my guns.
Damn. This one is tough. Ive had and used Rugers for over 10 years but this Bodyguard 2.0 looks more aesthetic and that recoil reduction is a big selling point.
Good thing Im broke right now
Must say that the Ruger has very little recoil for me. It’s due to the fact that the cartridge is a 380 ACP. So much of a reduction that it really doesn’t matter. No need to go and buy the bodyguard 2.0 right away. I’m not planning on that. The LCP Max is just fine. Eventually, I will upgrade, in 6 months or so. Also, this runs counter to gun culture advice I would recommend accuracy and no recoil standpoint, the Ruger Security-380. Nightstand safe gun due to the fact that at 15 yards almost all the rounds go in the A- zone. Plus the comfort and feel of having the LCP Max upsized to a compact is phenomenal. The trigger is butter smooth 4.5 pound rolling break. This means that as long as you squeeze the trigger consistently to the rear without jerking, you will hit your shots. The reset is not too bad either. I would say the trigger is in the middle between Glock and Canik. And did I mention this wonderful value is only about $300 in my region? You get a $400 to $500 gun for $300, and the accuracy is phenomenal and enjoyable to shoot, it’s a type of gun that will leave a smile on your face after the range. Thanks for reading.
The Smith sight also has tritium in the center.
This is a very thorough review and comparison, really well done. Thank you, Gus
I wish I realized the bodyguard 2.0 was commin out. Just got the LCP max last week 😅
I'll still get the bodyguard anyway😊
I just got the LCP Max last week too 😮💨
1st time comment ever, like your videos. thanks for the comparison of the 2 guns. ps.. i love the upstate!
I have owned an LCP 2, and an LCP Max. I bought the Bodyguard 2.0 on monday. Holy Crap! Much better overall gun in my opinion. Even after upgrading the trigger on the LCP Max, it still sucked. The bodyguard trigger is not perfect, but SO MUCH better than the Rugers. I shot it yesterday, and it was accurate, low recoil, and fast. VERY HAPPY with this gun!
You did the Galloway and it still had bite? I was considering, but maybe that money goes to a BG2
I also have the Max (factory trigger) but want to shoot the BG2. While I love the Max’s size and weight, it is tough to grip, snappy to shoot, and the trigger sometimes pinches my finger. As a result, it’s not at all fun to practice with and so I rarely carry it. I usually carry a 9, but when I want something smaller this new pistol may be just the ticket.
The comparison we've been waiting for!
I upgraded the trigger, hammer spring, and guide rod on my lcp max. The smith might be better out of the box now. But that lcp max is just perfect for a pocket holster.
I also did that to my max. The body guard looks nice.
Which trigger upgrade? I’m considering Galloway for my Max.
You don’t have to pull the slide back to dissemble the Ruger or reassemble it for that matter. Watch the Ruger video on field stripping the LCP MAX and the proper way to check the function. Good video and comments.
The LCP Max has a gross trigger and the rear sight is not the best (or worst). The rear sight on mine wouldn't adjust, and it was way off, so I had to cut it off and install an aftermarket. Once I upgraded the trigger shoe, the internals and the rear sight the LCP Max is much better. It's a good enough gun out of the box, but it needs upgrades to be a great gun. I love the LCP II with upgrades, but having the extra capacity makes the max the better option.
The Ruger has rampant magazine feeding and slide lock issues, and an awful coating leading to rust issues. If I could go back, I would wait for the new Bodyguard.
My max has no rust and no issues.
For those that already have the LCP MAX and just want to keep it Galloway precision has a turn key kit that comes with all new springs, guide rod, and trigger and it drastically changed the feel of my MAX and it was cheap. I’m still getting this S&W but I won’t be dumping my LCP because she runs really good now……just food for thought
3rd comment…….a noteworthy day for me 😂
Have the Max and carry it some in a Vedder pocket locker, and it’s eminently more shootable than the LCP which I’ve never owned, but it’s still snappy, and has some “corners” on the back that I basically put ranger bands around that helps. I’m curious about recoil impulse in comparison, thanks Sootch00!
This was personal for me. The Ruger LCP Max has been a great option but nice to see S&W enter the 2.0. There are pros and cons so we'll see. Thanks Brother
My lcp max has been nothing but trouble. It has been back to Ruger twice for light primer strikes. I love everything about it except the unreliability. I just got it back today and hopefully they fixed it. If not I am buying the new S&W. Great comparison video
The 2.0 is not available yet in the 10 round only version for limited mag capacity states. I'm assuming that will change.
Yes I saw a video with a S&W rep and he said the 10rd complaint version will be releasing soon!
I’m in Washington state so I need that as well….
One needs the 12 round magazine to get a good grip on the LCP2 Max.
I think Smith went to school on Ruger and edged them out.
Wonder if the Smith will be more likely to snag.
I like the Smith, but not enough to run out and replace it (Already have the Viridian Laser, Mags, etc.).
Cheers, Tony
"Wife and daughter wanted one and two of the prepper wives were going to get one..." But what about the ruger LCP? do they already have the ruger or do they not like it? why or why not?
On the LCP max.. pulling out and reinserting the pin during disassembly and reassembly is easier if you DO NOT lock the slide back. Ruger techs say there's no need to lock it back for field strip.
Within 1 hour of your bodyguard 2.0 I literally went to decide (I don’t own any 380 ammo) and $270 for the LCP max I had to. Also I couldn’t find the bodyguard 2.0
Try the Search button to find the bodyguard 2.0. Remember it’s 2024.
Other reviews have said that the 2.0 has a tritium bead. 🤔🤷♂️
I'm a big fan of the Shield Plus, so for when "pocket carry" size is needed, I'm definitely looking forward to upgrading from a Max to the 2.0! 👍
finally a comparison video
Great comparison Sootch! I own and carry the LCP Max but I would have to say the S&W gets the win in this case. One thing that you didn’t mention is the issue with the LCP not reliably locking the slide back on an empty magazine, perhaps this has been resolved with the newer guns but it is one thing that really bothers me about my LCP. Again, great video, really enjoyed it.
There are no comparisons SW knocked this one out the park
Ruger makes a fine pistol but they will rust in the box, there finish leaves much to be desired. SW finishes are great
I have a Ruger Max 9. Love it, but some rust starting on the side that is up against my body when carrying.
Good review. Thanks.
I've got an LCP Max, and I can recommend it. It's a very easy gun to conceal, especially with the 10-round mag. The only thing I never liked about it is that for some reason the trigger bites my finger no matter how I grip the gun. (I've read that some others are affected by this.) It's obviously not really a big issue for carrying, but when I'm at the range, I put s small band-aid on my finger or wear a tight-fitting glove.
By the way, I also have an original LCP that I carry when I'm dressed very lightly and/and need total "invisibility" - if you know what I mean.
AND I also have a Sig P365. As you say, another good choice, but slightly larger and heavier. But, of course, 9mm.
3 finger grips rule...S&W gets points for Tactacool which should never be a reason for use...Smith has the new Wow factor with new product pricing. Ruger can easily drop in price as its in production for a while...
I have owned every generation of the LCP the difference between the original LCP and the Max is night and day when it comes to shooting. I now own the Bodyguard 2.0 and it flat out outperforms the LCP Max hands down. The only thing that I like the LCP better in is the recoil spring on the Bodyguard is considerably more difficult to reinstall back onto the slide. Great video sir.
Should we forgive Smith for their affront to humanity known as the first Bodygaurd?
Lol😂
Hey the trigger on the original LC9 (prior to the LC9S) was also pretty god awful haha
LCP MAX - You do not have to pull the slide back before removing the tab for disassembly .Keep it simple. Saw this in another video. Just pull the pin and move the slide forward.Goes back on in the opposite.
Great comparison of options for pocket carry. Thanks !
My feeling about .380 is that for any firearm "one hit is better than 6 misses from a .44". And with concealment issues for the bigger calibers, for controllability in a small package often requires a lighter cartridge. With today's hollow points the stopping power (of a .380) is good
I had seen a review claiming the Bodyguard 2.0 had a tritium front sight. It's disappointing they didn't add that feature.
Bright Dot front sight with Tritium insert. Rapid acquisition, black u-notch rear sight.
But, they did.
It does. Sootch just didn't bother looking at it past seeing orange.
That explains it.
So nice that S&W curved the trigger guard up to give more finger room on the front strap.
The smith has a tritium night front sight so the sight argument is invalid and is equal
I do not have either one of those. Previously I have had the Ruger Security 9 Compact. After getting the bugs out and it was serviced, now it is reliable. More recently I have purchased the S&W M&P Shield Plus, optics ready. The Shield works better for me, particularly in the grip. I look forward to finishing your comparison, here.
Can I ask a question here, you said that Smith & Wesson sent The Bodyguard and Ruger sent over the LCP Max you said you owned one and you carry it constantly so why would Ruger have to send you one also😮
Ruger sent the LCP Max when it was introduced for a review. I've had it ever since. They didn't send another one, not that I would be opposed to it! lol~
The best deep concealment/summer wear .380 is still the original LCP or the LCP II. With the extended mag you get 7+1 shots which is sufficient and the extra rounds in the 2.0 or the MAX just make it heavier than it needs to be. 12+1 is just a little heavy for summer shorts. In the Winter it doesnt matter because you can hide more gun and take a 9mm. If you are wearing jeans or khakis sure, carry the Bodyguard 2.0 or the LCP Max. JMHO
Just picked up the bg 2.0. Doesn’t cycle underwood xtreme defenders.. huge bummer
That’s disappointing.
Failure to feed/eject ??
My ruger LCP max doesn't cycle underwood extreme defenders either
That's disappointing. Perhaps it will improve once broken in.
@rascaille3792
Mine too 🤷🏼♂️
I use critical defense on my lcp max and have never had a cycling issue.