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- Опубліковано 31 тра 2024
- Hi Folks,
In this video is share my views on the 3 motorcycles that are competing closely in the single cylinder ADV market .
This video of based on my experience of riding these motorcycles for a significant amount of time and will help you take the decision in terms of where you would want to put your money .
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Love, peace & Strength
Jas Chawla
Twenty3 Rides
0:00 Intro
2:36 Build Quality
4:03 Top Speed & High Speed Ride Feel
7:38 Torque Delivery & Traffic test
11:36 Off-Roading
14:54 Vibrations
16:31 Heating Issues
19:00 Most Value for Money
20:12 Do It All Capability & Summary
23:43 Outro
#himalayan #himalayan450 #twenty3rides #scrambler400x #ktmadventure390 #adv390
Couldnt agree more on ADV 390 analysis... That bazaar and khat khat sound... Fortunately my wife owns an tvs iqube 😅. So I can live with my 390 on the highways.
I just now Dread hearing that Khat khat .. and phurrrrrrr aound of radiator fan.. 😀
ev scooters are the perfect local bazaar vehicle. Quick, cheap and large boot space
Booked the scrambler 400x. As most of my ride is in the city and mild off reading once in a while. Looks awesome. Cheaper in price atleast 50K comparing to others. Also the ease of having alloy wheels. Great riding stance. High usable torque.
i agree for city use its the best value for money.. and it looks like a 5-6 lac motorcycle. Premium looks ans build . I am a big fan of Triumph build quality.. and a Triumph 900 tiger owner myself.
Yes for the same reason I have booked the scram 400. Hopefully it will be delivered in another 10 days 😊
Ultimately, we should buy the bike we like. In today's product line up, even the worst bike on the market is way better than what was available a decade ago. No bike will be 100% perfect and one needs to understand the strengths and weaknesses of the bike and this review is very helpful to understand that
Cheers 🥂
Yes i too booked , as of now it's the best segment killer..
It's a TRIUMPH ❤
Superb analysis, I was confused between the three, you've made it easy for anyone in the same dilemma 👍
One of the best real world comparison out there. Very very useful...Thanks!
Excellent vlog, excellent format, no BS, crisp and clear information. This is the best video so far for anyone who is planning to own one of these ADV type motorcycles
Thank You. glad you found it useful. hope you subscribed .
@@Twenty3Rides Of course! 😀
Thank you for your brief description and valuable information.
Highly informative and on point. I found myself in a similar predicament, and your analysis provided the clarity I was seeking.
Thanks for the feedback bro. Glad to know it helped. Stay subscribed
This is the best detailed comparison that I've come across till now. Thank you!
Cheers ! Thanks
One of the best reviews out there. Thank you from South Africa 🇿🇦
Thanks Mate .. !
Awesome analysis, was confused between 390 adv and himalayan 450.
Really great review. Please make sure to do a comparison between the Him 450 and the CFMoto 450MT when it comes out, and please include how they rate in the twisties. Thanks.
Loveeed this video..! Clears out so many doubts. I am a new rider. I love long relaxed leisure rides. Scrambler 400X, that is it for me..! Thanks man..! ❤
Namasté
Excellent review of the new Dualsports-Bikes in the world market. Mainpoint all three were produced in India, great. These are the bikes we’re waiting for the last 20 years here in Europe. Your comparison shows us that you’re an expert, thank you so much. We are waiting for more …
Cheers from germany and take care.
Glad you found it useful. cheers !
Exactly the comparisn i was looking for. Thanks buddy.
Cheers .. Thanks . do subscribe
Spot on comparison and really helpful for us to make comparisons in head before test riding. Kudos 👍🏼.
Thanks .. Do subscribe.. 😀
@@Twenty3Rides yes ofc ,you already got a subscriber!!
Great work mate. Loved hearing your thoughts and agree with all of them.
Cheers Brother..!
Good stuff. Clean comparison for anyone to follow and understand to decide what's best for any individual. Cheers!!
Cheers .. Thanks . do subscribe
Probably the most unbiased review/comparison I've come across.. 👍
Thank You sir .. hope you hit the subscribe button as well
Very detailed explanation, aided in taking decision :)
Had the KTM 390 Adventure, found it a great bike, was great on gas at under 80 km but above 90 Km drank a lot more gas. The mane reason I got rid of it was the service having to take it back three time for most things. Just got tired of weighting around the shop for hours at a time. If you lived close to the shop where you could drop it off and walk home might be a different story. I am hopping for the Himalayan 450 to come to Prince Edward Island Canada, I will be first in line, as long as I can pick the color, love the black, hate the white., other colors not bad.
Great review! Thanks for helping me decide between the Triumph and the Royal Enfield. As a new rider at age 65, (last time I was on a motorcycle was grad school) I was going to buy the 2023 Himalayan. After this review, I'm going to buy the 2024 Himalayan 452. It will be my job commuter bike (with pannier cases) and my get-away ride for the weekends. Can't wait!
Great video.. Wanted exactly this comparison!
Thanks .. hope you watch it and get your answers.
being a himalayan owner since may 2016, i will still go for the 450
Without a doubt the best comparison video I’ve seen regarding the Himalayan. I am really looking forward to your take on the Scram 450. It seems to me that the Triumph would be better served in that side-by-side comparison. The 400X appears to be more road oriented with off-road abilities which, to me, is where the current Scram 411 resides. Liked, subscribed and waiting.
Thanks for the feedback . Appreciate.
The Scram 450 is nowhere near launch as of now . Hope it comes out soon. Will definitely review it.
@Twenty3Rides Нey Jasveen,
do you peg this bike in the
0-400cc beginner category, or
the 400-800cc intermediate
advanced/category. I wanted
to see if l'Il want an upgrade
over Himalayan within a couple
of years or is this an end game
bike for an average Indian tourer
(28M, been riding for a decade-
will have a track bike in future-
sceptical of buying 400X since it
feels like a beginner bike)
Thanks for the great analysis. Couple of questions -
1. I believe the speeds you're talking about are all speedo-indicated. Doesn't the scrambler have huge speedometer error? Does that mean that comfortable speeds on the bike would be even lower?
2. How is the rear suspension on the scrambler? I am planning to get its monoshock fitted on my Duke 250 (if its a direct fit).
3. How is the himalayan in the city compared to the scrambler? Is the long wheelbase a problem in making sharp turns? And does the weight feel a hindrance in reversing the bike up a mild slope after parking it?
I feel speed 400 is better than scrambler if the scrambler can't do much beyond city.
Much needed video thank you.
It helped a lot.
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Kudos for very unbiased and detailed review. Good job
Very good review. You have cleared all my doubts... definitely the Royal is the way to go for me Thank you from Italy
Thanks.. do subscribe
I just had a such a blast laughing when you talked about that khat khat khat...darrrrrrr sound on 390!! 😂
I immediately could co-relate with it because i just rode that bike for 15 min and was so disappointed with that engine sound and stalling in the middle of the road that i just gave up that option!
Also, i would buy Himalayan any day provided it came with at least 10% better design elements. Right now they just don't exist and the bike looks too ugly to be carrying everywhere!
So the only option that was left for me was 400x and that's what i booked! 😊
Congrats on the new bike.. Have fun and No Khattt khattt..
One motorcycle may be good and the other better but your review is the best. Keep going. You are getting better and better with each of your videos. 👍
Thanks for the encouraging feedback brother
This is the review I've been looking for. These 3 bikes head to head.
Gr8 information, this is what I was looking for, have got all answers from ur video, thanks Bro
Cheers Mate ! Hope you subscribed.
I did bro, I also follow u on Insta too
Great review, as someone who is almost ready to throw down a deposit on one, without a test ride you have answered the questions I have, thank you. Cheers from Downunder. 👍
Glad it helped. Cheers !
Nice review, liked it
Loved it. Answered most Q's i had
Cheers ! Thanks
A very well-explained video! Anyone who is confused will be very clear what option to choose after watching this video.
Thanks bro. Hope you subscribed and shared amongst your friends.
Love you take on the sound of the KTM at low speed!😅
Great Video. Thank you for this. One request would be to have a offroad test of the 452 with the 411 in terms of tractoring capabalities..thanm you
Shortly!
Great review Jasveen.. I would suggest you to create a short video summary as well... we can go through the summary ( the comparisons) and then dig deeper.
Thanks. Actually i have shared a summary in a Reel on insta - Why should you pick each one of these over the other 2.
whats your thoughts on triumph Speed 400 with Himalayan 452 .. i do 50km city everyday. very hardly highway rides
The only video you need to make a decision ….spot on ❤
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If you keep hitting the perverbial comparison dynamics on the head, you will be very successful! Thanks for the valuable information!
Much needed comparison video, now i know which one to get, thanks 😊
Glad it helped and hope you subscribed 😜
Great job👍...Himalayan is best..Except one fact that they are not providing alloy wheel tubeless tyres.
That is the only reason I am still confused between Triumph and Himalayan
They will provide it soon, I too am waiting for it.
And less bhp than Triumph
Steering!!
It might sound silly to many but I wish to know your take.
I find G310GS to be more lighter to steer vs speed and scram 400x.
How does Himalayan compare among these 4?
Very informative video! Do you think the new himalayan will have issues like thr old one in the lot of bikes. I am planning to get one। But not sure if I should pre-book now or wait for 3-4 months given the RE history with issues.
I think this one is very good.. no major issues so far. But that being said.. If you want to play very safe.. Waiting and watching for 3-4 months will help eliminate any risk..
Absolutely honest and valuable reference video.
Thanks bro.. Do subscribe as well 😝
Awesome narration
Great review Sir.. kharrr kharrr. drrrrr drrrrr for KTM was a stand out!!! Pls keep up the good work.. We all are here watching and supporting You!!
Cheers .. Thanks .
Gr8 video. Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Cheers ! Hope you subscribed
@@Twenty3Ridessubscribed 👍
I am a 6'3 rider and ride mostly with pillion, is it right to go with 390 advx
Speed 400x vs scrambler 400x, if one majorly uses it in city, do a Delhi Jaipur trip on Saturday -sunday and maybe once in their lifetime will go to ladakh. What will you suggest. And will you still suggest Himalayan if looks and feel are a big criteria to choose from?
Great Job!
Sir, great informative video. The only thing worried me, the crack on right side of the wall behind forced me to check my phone screen thrice during the whole video 😅
Lol.. Was it that prominent.
@@Twenty3Rides I also ended up checking my display with a oh nooo!! feeling 😄
Good review. I was set to reserve a new Scrambler 400 X until I was given the OTD price.
The price quote I received is as follows:
Nearest dealership starting price is $5,995. (The price on Triumph website is $5,595. Price already increased)
Freight: $1,200.
Set Up: $500.
PDI: $300.
Plus taxes and fees.
Total price is $8,752.66.
I was looking forward to adding another Triumph to my collection. Sad to say I will pass on the Scrambler 400 X.
Glad you enjoyed the review
What? Where are you? Here in WA we're talking pretty much even trade of '12 Tiger 800ABS and that's a lot less than $8,700 I'll tell you that much. More like $6K
Yeah, I getting those numbers too, although the dealership didn't jack the cost of the cost of the base bike up. Freight was a little cheaper too. But, I have never bought a bike brand new before, so I figured that every new bike gets slapped with delivery and set up.
I'm still going forward with my purchase, with an April delivery.
Awesome comparison.
The 400X had its vibration issue fixed at the factory from another INdian channels info--the pre production bikes were the older style
How about when you include on road handling? It seems like the Triumph, with its 23 degree rake and 19” front tire would outshine the heavier Himalayan with its 21” front tire in the corners and especially the switchbacks.
But, the 452 is the most versatile, but not as engaging on the road where I’ll do most of my riding.
Great reviews, I saw your reviews on both the triumph and the RE.
My thoughts as well as I will have similar usage pattern. However, I am not a tall guy and at 835mm seat height, 400x is not my cup of tea and smaller speed 400 does not check the boxes. So Himalayan 452 seems to be the only solution for me.
I say for pure on road adv 390 will be the best handler.. For flexibility across different terrains - Him 450
@@Twenty3Rides "Flexibility across different terrains" is what most Indians need I would say, including myself. Not to forget those "bazaar scenarios" test that it passed.
Off road is the most important part of an ADV bike. If it can’t do that, it isn’t an ADV bike.
Which bike would be better ninja 300 or himalayan 450, if you do 80% city and 20% touring and if you want luxury.
Great review!
Thanks.
Most required comparison 👍👍👍
Great points compared.
Thanks bro. Do subscribe
@@Twenty3Ridesyou said it & I did it 👍
Excellent review . But any reason why the yezdi adventure is not being considered ?
It's trash😂
Evidently this review can come only from real experience. Thanks for being more relatable to the majority rather than reading the media specsheet
Goad you liked it.. stay subscribed 😊
Top-level stuff, thanks. Which is best for tall riders? I'm 1.93 m (6'3) tall, and torn between the 400x and the Himmi as first bike.
Him 450 - it can tour better, offroad better and ride smoother at all revs
great video. people are always comparing random bikes, as the name suggests scram will always be bad at proper offroad and highway. if you want a scam style bike get the scrambler 400x or wait from RE scram 450 or compare it with 411 scram and yezdi scram. Although 390 adv is sold as adv it is duke in heart. A better competitor might have been Tiger 400
Now when is tiger 400 coming.. Is it really in the making ??
@@Twenty3Rides no it is not coming, probably never, i was just making a point if perhaps tiger 400 were released alongside them, it might have been a proper competition.
Superb bro... God bless
Best video subscribed 🥳
Thanks .. 💪
KTM 390 Adv - i feel the low speed torque is not needed if the acceleration is high. the torque difference is just marginal to the 2 bikes (450), and you cannot expect torque in a single cylinder. A great example in Himachal is the performance of Alto compared to a 4x4. lesser maintenance and liter the vehicle and that too ADV is better to do all the advance road stunts. With an SW 2024 the features have improved a lot and the idle vibration has reduced and the stalling has reduced too. The heat in KTM yes, but better grade oils can help a bit, still a quiet fans not as bad as 400x. But a very good touring and adventure vehicle. If you break the android display in the 450 its going to give you a good expenditure. ADV modules on the Him 450 will make it more heavy. it is a cross between a Tiger and an Xpulse. Not a fan of the ergonomics of the 450. instead i would go for a 250 enduro or a honda 350 enduro. touring a cruiser bike like 650 Meteor would be a good choice.
hi nice one. is there permanent way to change the himalayan tyres to "Tubeless". We are told, it may take months or year for company to get licensed / patented one. So meanwhile can't wait. Anyway out?
Outex rim sealing is the way to go..
Hi bro, watching your videos since a long time. Which mic do you use ? And any specific setting
As of now using the Rode Wirless Go 2 mic.. If you now want to invest money on a setup. Go for DJI wireless mic system..
@@Twenty3Rides thankyou!
I think the top speed obsession comes from video games where top speed is mostly the highest parameter for victory.
Yup
Can one legally ride at top speeds on all highways?
I had made up my mind for the scrambler 400x but you again put me in doubt …😂😂😂 gr8 video though …. One quick question … isn’t the clutch of the himi too hard for city ???… once got stuck in bumper to bumper traffic in a thunderbird and so much clutching happened the clutch wire only broke 😂😂
Cheers !
I'm gonna go with himalayan, thanks
I owned scrambler 400x on 4th of November it’s a more than week now and i am satisfied a lot because my need is all in one bike office to home every day weekends short ride and 1 or 2 long ride in a year so for that i am more than happy even after himalayan launch.. because it’s heavier and may be tubless tyre model is expensive and a very big bike compare to scram400x so for my type of rider i must say scrambler 400x is the perfect choice.
Congrats!
What about the vibration, are these resolved on newer release as others are saying?
hi...can you tell ...Which would be most fun to ride specially on mountains and tarmac. 2. Does Himalayan have floaty feeling on tarmac like old 411? or new himalayan is tight bike to ride on roads
For this .. On road - mountain twisties - Adv 390 or even the Scrambler will be a blast..
Look closer -- Build quality may be better on the RE than the Triumph, and I'm planning on getting the Triumph. RE has really done something special here but I'm probably going to stay in my Tribe (5 Triumphs to date).
Do you think the upcoming Ktm 390 adventure R (you might have seen the leak image with panniers which looks like crf rally) could become more promising in this segment?
Absolutely.. I am waiting for that one.
Great Comparison bro.
I am to upgrade from Thunder Bird 500 & was confused between 390 adv & Himalayan 450. Now will be going for Himalayan 450, hope that its reliable & not like older Royal Enfields.
Good info 👍🏽
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Himalayan 450 anyday ❤
For there service network.
I love KTM but not the adventure series
Duke is the best naked bike in india.
True that
Great, well thought-out comparison. By the way, you seem to have a very strong Punjabi accent.
Yup. I take that as a compliment.Reflects ones roots.
@@Twenty3Rides Ah, so you are indeed a fellow Punjabi!
I must really appreciate you in making this video. I own adv 390 2022 alloy wheel model. I am planning to install SW variant adjustable suspension for front & rear. Don't know how much it would Cost for the upgrade.
As the rear is stiff my back hurts while sitting & riding 😢.
Does the SW variant adjustable suspension make any significant difference. Really appreciate you if you can throw some light over😊👍
Yes it makes a huge difference. Also you can look at zedling suspension for adv 390.. Working well for many. Be leas concerned about alloy/spokes.. Invest in suspension upgrade first..
@@Twenty3Rides Thanks a lot sir for your timely reply. Really appreciate you☺👍
Where does x440 stand amongst all this ? Or is it a wrong comparison.
I was planning to upgrade from Himalayan 411 to 450, this video really helps me take decision, full on Informative and great comparison. Thank you
Thanks bro. Stay connect and subscribed
Which u r buying
Please let us know how the Himalayan and Scrambler perform in the twisties. Also, is the Scram 450 on its way? 😇
Compared to ADV 390 Himalayan might be boring for experienced rider is what you meant? But I could see the experienced riders having a blast offroad 💥
Hello, one doubt, how smooth is the engine ? On a scale of 1 to 10 as compared with CB350RS for reference. Coming from a Honda fan, this will be my 1st RE. Didn't like the vibrations of earlier RE engines. Thank you.
It’s considerably Smoother than previous Himalayan. but comparing to a Honda - Is maybe asking too much 😀
@@Twenty3Rides 😅😅 thats what I thought. I have booked already, its just that most of the reviews told its refined, but I wanted to understand "refined" a little bit more, lol. Anyway thanks.
Himalayan 450 and beneli 502 which one Is better
How do you rate the electrical wiring quality in himalayan. Electrical side is nightnare on any day
I think its fine .. Nothing pops out and looks odd
What about comparison with the GS310 ?
Hi Sir, whats you height? and do you feel comfortable while riding it in crowding high traffic area? and is it good for people with height of 5'6 or 5'8
I am 5’11. with low seat option you can easily ride it.. No isssues.
If you change the sprockets on the 390, it will dramatically increase the toque and fix the vibrating issues on the lower end..
to smoothen the low end i think you'd need fuelx lite.
I will buy this Himalayan 🔥👍👌
Very detailed review
Thanks .. Glad you liked it.
@@Twenty3Rides keep up the good work. Your videos are very informative and to the point.
This video answers my question on choosing the bike….
Thank You bro. Glad it helped
So which bike
Sherpa 452 is one of the admirable engine from RE
How do you know ? I don't trust new himalayan engines after what happened with 411 launch.
Seating!!!
The G310GS gives the most comforting INTO the bike feeling and better grip.
Though the seat on 450 is a bit scooped, is it better than 310?
See .. GS 310 is a good machine with spot on Riding geometry, but the feel of a 40bhp engine is something else.. GS310 feels stressed after 100.. In my opinion and the suspension feels over soft.
That being said its still a good machine..
himalayan seat is also very comfortable.. test ride it .
Is it worth upgrading to Himalayan from GS310.. Maybe / maybe not depending on what you want to do with a machine
@@Twenty3Rides for context, everyday riding comfort is of utmost importance. High speeds/power are not really an ask here. Enough power for quick runs/take over I am fine by.
I don’t want to feel the potholes and uneven surfaces when riding.
310 has the softest settings of all and I just love it. Does/can 450 behave similar?
I am to decide between the two. Of course I will test ride but i think it will be long wait.
I have been riding a GS310 for 1 year and have test ridden and reviewed the Himalayan 450
BMW G310GS RIDER RIDES THE ROYAL ENFIELD HIMALAYAN 450: FIRST IMPRESSIONS
ua-cam.com/video/1A_YR51TOj0/v-deo.html
I don’t see a reason to switch to the Himalayan now. Also comfort in any situation on the GS is unbeatable .. just don’t go xtreme 😊
Hi... Very informative video... I ride a Duke 250 and am planning to upgrade... 390 Adv was initially on my mind but the new Himalayan looks impressive from an all terrain standpoint which our roads have become, especially state highways, even from a touring standpoint... Eagerly awaiting even the new 2nd Gen 390 adv with the revised Duke subframe that might solve the low end torque issue for the 390... A little wait and watch but we surely are living in interesting times and being spoilt for choice... Excellent video again... Keep the good stuff coming
Thanks for the feedback. glad you liked it. Hope you subscribed 😀
Could you please add Suzuki Vxstorm-250 as well into this comparison and share your final view.
There is a solid reason why he did not include the Vstrom 250 sx. The Vstrom 250sx is not even close to any of these three motorcycles. The Vstrom 250sx produce only 26 horsepower and 22 nm of torque, whereas the other three make 40 and more hp and 37 and more nm of torque. Not only that the suspension travel of the Vstrom 250sx is just 120mm, which is very less compared to the other three and very little for an adventure motorcycle. The R15, which is basically a sport bike has a better suspension travel of 130mm than the Vstrom 250sx. Instead of providing switchable ABS to the Vstrom 250sx, Suzuki gave Bluetooth connectivity, which is nothing but a marketing gimmick. The Vstrom 250sx does not deserve to be termed an adventure motorcycle because it just a Gixxer 250 with upright seating position. That's it.
Thanks for helping me here
Hi Sir, if I may ask…are the rims on Himalayan 450 aluminium or steel?
Rims are of Aluminium and the spokes attached to it, is of steel!!