The stalling was a well known "feature" of the 650s. My Interceptor did it, as well. The most common solution was cleaning the ridiculous amounts of anti-corrosion grease out of the relays (specifically the fuel pump relay) and replacing the relays with what were presumed to be higher quality units. In my case, however, the issue was not resolved until I replaced the tip-over sensor.
Yeah man, motorcycling is about connecting to the roads and your surroundings...so many people in this comment section are laser focussed on the bike and it's specs and issues....whereas the road goes through one of the most scenic places on the planet earth.
It’s good to see totally honest reviews. I have seen many other ride experiences and reviews where reporters or vloggers are only focused on the looks, specs sheet, and only the best points but not about any faults like these.
Since it was only happening on bumpy roads, maybe fuel is sloshing around too much and the bike is fuel starving, or the fuel pump might be shutting off due to an overly sensitive tip over switch or something. Hopefully it's just a pre-production bug and gets fixed before production models arrive stateside.
If the tank is not completely COMPLETELY empty there is always enough gas to cover the fuel pump. What's more there's enough fuel in the system to not shut off INSTANTLY like it does here. It would start to stutter first.
A majority of people don't experience regular false neutrals between 5-6th on the GT/Int650 but it still happens and some people do experience it. It's good that out of 6 reviews you've watched now, a major voice in motorcycling had this issue because that means it's known about and people can be made aware of it to find the fix. you want people to find problems now before production so that they can be ironed out before release.
He is jealous of Indian bike brand that's why he gives some bad reviews.I have watched his many videos on some other Indian bikes like GT or interceptor and more he always give bad reviews in that video and make joke of it
No this also happens when the air fuel.mixture is not corrected by the ecu, exact same thing happened on my interceptor on higher altitudes n then RE recalled the bikes for software upgrade
Seems like a much improved over the original Himalayan, Noraly /Itchy Boots Boots has put over 2000km and counting, on a loaner over a few weeks and hasn't mentioned any fueling issues-let's hope it's an isolated pre production issue.. also in a similar category, the new CFMoto 450MT looks promising as well in the 450 class- would look forward to a Yammine Noob look at that too..
The advancements made by Royal Enfield in the new motorcycle are noteworthy. While stalling is a possibility in preproduction models, I am confident that the final production version will feature enhanced systems. Royal Enfield has demonstrated a history of evolving and improving based on experience.
I still can't believe the Himalayan still has bad relay problems, my 22 Himalayan had this issue, I ordered good quality one's and I've never had the problem again.
Looks like the stalling imo is due to the fuel mixture going lean, choking due to lack of oxygen at that altitude, hopefully @royalenfield can diagnose it and map the ecu accordingly.
The throttle response at the bottom-end was reported by other reviewers too. Sounds like an issue that can be rectified in the production run. Hope they fix it. I really want to know the rear suspension's characteristics. Old Himalayan had really saggy rear shocks. It performed badly when loaded. It was really bad, even though the fans won't admit it.
Strange that no other reviewer has reported such issues. Was this purely a bad conincidence? Himalayan lovers can't wait to ride this motorcycle and the excitement has been touching the roofs!
They should've kept the cable actuated throttle with dual cables (RBW will never match the feel), and provide dedicated switch for turning ABS off. Unpredictable throttle will throw someone off a cliff.
Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention yammie! Unlike most of other publication & youtubers busy in singing only pros of the bike. well, it's never advisable to buy 1st batch of production bike from RE. & Blind followers / Fanboys would never accept something negative or try to justify blunders,
@@revzzrider bro speaking about the issues on a motorcycle is not easy, u may upset a lot of people, so that require guts. Only a few UA-camr could do that may be just 5% would do that, and they will be different... Rest will be just the same in different languages n style 😁
I was really excited to buy this bike and i have even put in a pre-order for it. Hopefully they manage to fix this issue before the production bikes hit the showroom floors
Unless you are buying this EXACT bike, why worry? No one else has reported the issue, and as said already, Itchy Boots has done 20,000kms around India on a pre production model without issue
This is why getting a new model's first production run unit is never the best idea. The manufacturers test it extensively, but we are still talking about a few tens of riders testing it during the design and production stages. Many issues go unnoticed until tens of thousands of customers ride them for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Hopefully, those issues will be fixed in future design iterations. I plan to get this in a couple of years (by the 3rd iteration) as long as something else competitive appears in the sub-500cc segment. I am also keeping an eye on the upcoming redesign of the KTM 390 ADV. Don't really want to go above 500cc again.
Thanks for sharing your honest review. This is what we actually expect from reviewers. 👍👍 Not fairy tales and happily ever after stories...the reality...unfiltered!! 👍
Could be some error in ECU programming judging by the behaviour with throttle glitch, engine cut-off and the mode change error at first try, being a pre production test bike these glitches are usual. Try it once again in US when the production bike arrives there and see if these issues persist :) will also wait for production model user reviews here in india as well :)
Mode change might be like my Triumph- you can't change modes unless you cycle it off and on again, before hitting the ignition. So, pick your ride mode before you start riding rather than being able to change it on the fly. Makes sense, since it would warrant less attention on the road to do it while riding.
This is a quite prominent problem in 411 cc in Himalayan and. Scram. I own a Scram for a year and I still have the issue unresolved. I am glad you got all of it in camera. Else it's not convincing to others. RE has still been not able to do anything with this problem. This shows their incompetence. I have been really annoyed with this problem and I understand the frustration.
Thanks for showing this. The company should take note an fix it. I face the same thing with my KTM adventure 390 and need to clear the throttle body every few months.
Great review! Any review I have watched so far have the same things to say, that it has nothing from the old himalayan, everyting is new and better. I had a himalayan 411, after I had completed 30k on odo, i was on yet another ride, just after completing 300km in that ride, the engine died. It was a really painful experience getting the bike fixed. Finally I sold it off. Himalayan was my dreqm but now I am more carefull.
Classic Royal Enfield character. The 411 experiences similar issues with either difficulty starting, cutting out when pulling the clutch in or just totally dying. Most common causes are idle speed setting, bad relays and bad fuel pump. Lots of bikes have no issues but some owners have played a lot of wack-a-mole trying to isolate the cause.
My friend owns a 2021 model Himalayan. He had this exact issue in the bike. We have visited the SVC about 10 times and it took them a while (about 2-3 months) to accept that there is an issue. Many a times, the SVC guy just revved it like he's riding a sports bike and said there's no issue! After many visits, we went to another RE SVC and they tried to fix it by replacing some components such as sensors, fuel injector, etc. Finally, in September 2023, they replaced the ECU and now it's fine. All these replacement were done free of cost. But I can tell you, it annoyed the fuck out of the owner. Numerous visits to SVC, irresponsible behaviour in one of the SVC, we had to change to another SVC, the issue sucks the fun out of rides, etc. We never had the confidence to take it for a long ride. But now for the past 3 months, he is enjoying his bike. I hope it stays that way. July 2024 Update: The problem showed up again since January 2024. Service centre guys told that there is nothing more to be done. My friend sold the bike 2 weeks ago. The overall experience was annoying and sad. The issue was with that specific unit I guess. If anyone has any pre delivery inspection to identify these kinds of issues, please comment. That would help a lot of people.
11:45 Having the same issues with 2 completely different Himalayan model Royal Enfield bikes??? Who's to say that these issues aren't affecting the entirety of the Himalayan models, this is something that Royal Enfield needs to have thoroughly addressed
Altitude and RE electricals/ECU's are not great friends. Carburetors are a different story. I remember switching from ECU to Carburetor on my 500 on the Himalayas ride. Was such a joy. Flash forward the 650 had the same issues, had to upgrade to a Piggy back ECU with AFR correction/refine unit. RE need to figure out their Electrical Game.
It’s possible that your power problem is linked to the not functioning pre production modes issue. I watched an early video when the latest Africa Twin came out. A bike that was running perfectly suddenly refused to climb a fairly easy hill, when the rider opened the throttle nothing happened. In that case it was that the ECU was simply following instructions; the anti-wheelie option was active and when the front wheel got too far above the rear wheel it cut the power. Simple to fix once one person in the crowd of people giving advice spotted the problem.
Excellent work, Yammie! However my experiance with the Himalayan so far says that there is a proper technique that comes with experience of riding in Himalayas.... The stalling issue might just be because of improper gear shifting or even a clogged air filter due to the extremely fine dust in the Himalayas.
You can say that particular bike had a major issue, but you can't then extrapolate that to the entire model unless it was happening to many bikes on the event. There's always going to be the odd bike that has issues, no matter what brand.
2019 april I was firsf who took 650 int to spiti. It dies more badly than this. I had to remove air filter plate to let more oxygen go in. I was first guy in north india who reported and 2nd was bullu biker who took inty to gurdungmar lake. This is issue is required remap of ecu which allow more oxygen in high mountains. Thanks for ur review. I like ur review . Thanks
A fabulous review. Good and bad pointed out to help everyone involved - the makers and the future riders. This issue really hurts in high altitude because in India high altitude is REALLY HIGH. Bad fuel is aplenty. And of course the electricals need adjustment because RE users definitely dream of riding in the wild not in the cities. The only saviour is a great service network even in remote areas. Great job
A similar throttle situ on old 411 found vent hose from tank to vapor box was preventing proper venting of tank. Cut fuel to engine on rough roads. Was removing whole vapor box and just venting short hose to atmosphere.
It is usage of sub-standard gas that is causing this. Plus the effect of choking of BS6 exhaust filters from burning that fuel, especially if you are riding a lot on low rpm and bike is struggling for torque. Use minimum Octane 91, and ride at optimum torque band rpms for each gear.
Safe to say, that throttle issue will be a topic of discussion in any RE dealership I will most likely be visiting soon, hopefully to sit on and order one of these. Once those bugs are worked out and they can guarantee the reliability of this bike, it’s about as perfect as it gets.
I do not see the point of ride by wire on this bike since it doesn’t even have cruise control. It just seams more complicated and less reliable. I am sure RE had a good reason for doing this but I don’t know what it is.
Awesome clean crisp review! Unlike the other who just come on camera wearing sun glasses and talk cra[ for hours! your review makes total sense. Did you report the stalling issue? what was their response!?
Good tat you pointed out hope RE team have a look into it. But this kind of common issue in RE bikes not a major issue at all. Its about the fueling some times it happens here it might b the altitude due to which its occuring. Also while crawling use of clutch is kind of norm to indians hence other youtubers couldn't get this issue. No need to worry though hopefully anycase RE solves it if its persistent
Saying that it doesn’t seem like a Royal Enfield might be seen as a negative thing by their sales executives. It’s a bit like when Harley introduced the Pan American, they have a huge customer base and it was important that the new model would really appeal to them as well as offering an alternative to the established adventure bikes. The Himalayan 411 was always unique in its market, the 452 is set to take on some pretty competitive machines, head to head. It needs to appeal to RE enthusiasts as well as those looking for a mid sized adventure bike to get the sales it deserves.
3 options horrible fuel / water inside the tank (sadly common in these areas especially with bikes that undergo testing and then get left alone for a couple days/weeks) the relays died to grease spunk and muddy stuff causing the fuel pump to malfunction clutch cable isnt disengaging properly (heavy use testbike clutch semi worn) also dont trust the odometer, these bikes get swapped parts more often than you change underwear, pre production
There were many reviews, but none had the issue that you said. Noraly from Itchy Boots has got the very first pre production model which she has ridden for a few thousand kilometres now! Even she did not complain once about the throttle issue that you are facing in second gear!
Isn’t there a button, on the left handlebar controls, that can be turned to increase the lower RPMS, for example from almost zero when at idle, up to 1500? I think it is included because it takes a while to warm the little engine, preventing the “cut off” early in a ride. I think the designers knew this and included this adjustment for the time prior to the warm up.
I also had the same issue with my GT650 again and again even the RE service couldn't rectify the problem. The bike was at the service center for a month then they given me that issue resolved, but the issue started again. And finally I sold my GT650.
With the context of CTXP's video riding these same roads at those altitudes, part of me wonders if it's really the venue that's the problem here, and not the bike. Could go either way, I'll be curious about RE's response.
Bro it might be sensor of ride by wire issue ask them to diagnose out ask for different bikes and ride if issue persists than RE needs to rectify before production
I was waiting for your review since I needed someone to give an unbiased review and not someone who JUST sings it's praises. It's a great bike, but everything has its ups and down right.
I would greatly appreciate a comprehensive and dedicated review of this bike from engineers. I believe the engineers at RE are enthusiastic individuals who would welcome the opportunity for an in-depth discussion about the bike.
It looks like it didn't have the fueling issue until you switched to performance mode (at least on the first bike). Did you also enable it after switching bikes? If so, maybe the problem is with the fuel mapping in sport mode. That could also explain why other reviewers didn't notice the problem.
Have you seen the first and second Himalayan 450's? It looks like the old one but with the 450 liquid cooled engine in it. I think it looks so much better. It is exactly what I wanted RE to do with the Himalayan, but they gave us this run of the mill modern looking one instead.
My RE500 which had EFI had a similar problem especially at altitude (as the air got thinner it lost power and the engine would cut off). I got rid of the EFI and fitted a carburetor. Problem solved. Also the relays were prone to rust and could also leave you stranded..
My BS6 350cc bike does that same thing on flat paved roads as well, especially when the clutch is engaged and on higher gear, with the throttle not engaged, does on any gear. Only scare is on busy high traffic and high speed highways, this happens then it's scary with vehicles approaching at high speed from behind me.
So those that don't know this was about 10k feet above sea level (the tallest peak in New England at Mount Washington is only 6k feet and that is the very tip) if you have ridden a motorcycle at higher elevations and especially with shit fuel this can happen. Could also just be that this bike was ridden before by 20 different people and crashed 50 different times and now the lean over is a little worse for ware.
This is why i love the bike but im yet to get it.... Any new bike might " MIGHT" have issues missed out by the manufacturers, so im gonna wait for people to buy the bike use it for a good amount of miles and only get the newer models if at all any more issues arise and the royal Enfield fixes those issues
Two different bikes you’ve ridden? You might consider down shifting. The one cylinder engine may be asking for higher RPMs. Just a thought…. Thanks for sharing, from east Tennessee.
Anything over 20hp = wheel spin R.E.: unable to spin the tires anywhere at all no matter what even if you lift the rear into the air. Not under powered at all.
The whole point of crazy emission standards is to crush affordable/reliable/simple ICE vehicles. When freedom of movement is exclusive, then greater control is achieved.
Itchy Boots did 4000 KM in Himalayas as well and she did not report any issue. It looks like bike specific issue or ride mode issue. BTW....all reviews are sponsored by RE including Yammies.
It does have a pretty irritating problem. If you don't get the tubeless version, then if you POP a tube they do not sell the size tube you need yet even with the 3 year warranty and road side assistance the only way to fix the problem is to buy the whole wheel assembly tire and tube. And that is a little pricey and it's not covered by the warranty
If you were the only person it could be that both those bikes had loose connections to the fuel pump or by coincidence, both bikes shared the same batch of bad fuel. Hard to understand why the other riders didn't suffer yet we could all see the problems you were having. Even stranger, no other tester has reported it yet either in other reviews which is weird. Pity you couldn't have tried a third bike.
if you go higher the oxygen is different and some bikes they don't perform well on full throttle, Maybe is the air filter or the Himalayan need some changes🏍💨💨
Has the bike been ridden in properly??? If less than 1000km most people say Himmys need to be ridden light. 1500 miles on my Himmy, no stalling etc..I do think its a bit lumpy in 2nd so might see how it does in Spring.
I saw a bunch of videos about the new Himalayan, but no one said about the size. Guys, is it a small motorcycle or not? I'm not talking here about engine size, but frame size. Any good for tall riders, or is it one more model like the KTM 390 Adventure which is clearly made for the Asian market?
This engine is all new with 4 valves, liquid cooled, DOHC setup. This engine loves to rev. It doesn't have long stroke motor like it's predecessor. That's why below 3000 rpm it does stall. Bottom end torque is not as good as previous bike. Or maybe fuel mapping could be changed later by the manufacturer.
The stalling was a well known "feature" of the 650s. My Interceptor did it, as well. The most common solution was cleaning the ridiculous amounts of anti-corrosion grease out of the relays (specifically the fuel pump relay) and replacing the relays with what were presumed to be higher quality units. In my case, however, the issue was not resolved until I replaced the tip-over sensor.
Ho god; these relays 😅
Ahh yes, "its a feature", classic royal enfield and harley lines
Shiiit, my interceptor does that
Never experienced this problem with my 2022 interceptor 650
Not happened on my 2023 Himmy.
Let’s take a moment to appreciate the incredible scenery
Yeah man, motorcycling is about connecting to the roads and your surroundings...so many people in this comment section are laser focussed on the bike and it's specs and issues....whereas the road goes through one of the most scenic places on the planet earth.
It's where Gods reside. :)
@@vijayam1 god*
@@maomekat7969 To each their own. "Sab ka malik ek hai" (All gods are one/Everyone's god is the same with a different name)
@@maomekat7969 gods*
It’s good to see totally honest reviews. I have seen many other ride experiences and reviews where reporters or vloggers are only focused on the looks, specs sheet, and only the best points but not about any faults like these.
Because maybe no other riders had issues?
You probably will NOT get completely honest reviews until the bike arrives in other countries.
Since it was only happening on bumpy roads, maybe fuel is sloshing around too much and the bike is fuel starving, or the fuel pump might be shutting off due to an overly sensitive tip over switch or something. Hopefully it's just a pre-production bug and gets fixed before production models arrive stateside.
Didn't know that's a thing
If the tank is not completely COMPLETELY empty there is always enough gas to cover the fuel pump. What's more there's enough fuel in the system to not shut off INSTANTLY like it does here. It would start to stutter first.
@@bendover-bz4bc It isn't
pre-production??? the bike has been out in production
@@yudhistirs you're aware this video is 5 months old right?
I’ve watched 5 different reviews so far for this bike. You’re the only one having this issue out of the five reviews.
A majority of people don't experience regular false neutrals between 5-6th on the GT/Int650 but it still happens and some people do experience it.
It's good that out of 6 reviews you've watched now, a major voice in motorcycling had this issue because that means it's known about and people can be made aware of it to find the fix. you want people to find problems now before production so that they can be ironed out before release.
@@joshuachristiansen2626 not saying the problem isn’t there just that it doesn’t seem to be a wide spread issue with the other reviewers.
Im just glad some people are honest.. there are a lot of reviewers who find everything always perfect because they don't want to lose their access
He is jealous of Indian bike brand that's why he gives some bad reviews.I have watched his many videos on some other Indian bikes like GT or interceptor and more he always give bad reviews in that video and make joke of it
The other reviews I've seen the past few days are more like paid promotions.
6:16 this generally happens when fuel is bad or fuel is not reaching the engine.
Yes. The engine shuts off when it has no gasoline LMAO
Thats what i thought.
or air, or spark..
No this also happens when the air fuel.mixture is not corrected by the ecu, exact same thing happened on my interceptor on higher altitudes n then RE recalled the bikes for software upgrade
In some cases it doesn't happen. Like when You have no engine.
I had the same with my bmw f800gs in Kyrgyzstan. High altitude and bad fuel made it unpredictably stall.
Seems like a much improved over the original Himalayan, Noraly /Itchy Boots Boots has put over 2000km and counting, on a loaner over a few weeks and hasn't mentioned any fueling issues-let's hope it's an isolated pre production issue.. also in a similar category, the new CFMoto 450MT looks promising as well in the 450 class- would look forward to a Yammine Noob look at that too..
Noraly ..... Itchy Boots 😁😁
Hopefully they get the ecu map and throttle or whatever the issue is all sorted out. Looking forward to them coming to the USA!
Interceptor had the same fueling issue when taken to altitude. its because of the thin air. Enfield fixed it with an ecu update
Its a relay, which cuts fuelpump circuit. This issue was with older Himalayan also. We upgraded to 24 amp relay. Issue was fixed.
Thanks mate 😊
The advancements made by Royal Enfield in the new motorcycle are noteworthy. While stalling is a possibility in preproduction models, I am confident that the final production version will feature enhanced systems. Royal Enfield has demonstrated a history of evolving and improving based on experience.
I still can't believe the Himalayan still has bad relay problems, my 22 Himalayan had this issue, I ordered good quality one's and I've never had the problem again.
I heard a few of the old 650 interceptor and gt had this issue, and then they recalled it and fixed the issue.
Looks like the stalling imo is due to the fuel mixture going lean, choking due to lack of oxygen at that altitude, hopefully @royalenfield can diagnose it and map the ecu accordingly.
I think so too...
The throttle response at the bottom-end was reported by other reviewers too. Sounds like an issue that can be rectified in the production run. Hope they fix it. I really want to know the rear suspension's characteristics. Old Himalayan had really saggy rear shocks. It performed badly when loaded. It was really bad, even though the fans won't admit it.
Strange that no other reviewer has reported such issues. Was this purely a bad conincidence? Himalayan lovers can't wait to ride this motorcycle and the excitement has been touching the roofs!
They should've kept the cable actuated throttle with dual cables (RBW will never match the feel), and provide dedicated switch for turning ABS off. Unpredictable throttle will throw someone off a cliff.
Don't blabber something
Thanks for bringing this issue to our attention yammie! Unlike most of other publication & youtubers busy in singing only pros of the bike.
well, it's never advisable to buy 1st batch of production bike from RE.
& Blind followers / Fanboys would never accept something negative or try to justify blunders,
And maybe because the bike has 300km on the clock and hasnt been ridden in properly..
😊
@@BuluBiker bhai, even Sagar had issues with Con-Set of the 450, & few other issues.
Waiting for your words after your hands on the bike 😁😁
@@revzzrider bro speaking about the issues on a motorcycle is not easy, u may upset a lot of people, so that require guts. Only a few UA-camr could do that may be just 5% would do that, and they will be different... Rest will be just the same in different languages n style 😁
@@BuluBiker I count you on those 5% people 😁
I was really excited to buy this bike and i have even put in a pre-order for it. Hopefully they manage to fix this issue before the production bikes hit the showroom floors
Unless you are buying this EXACT bike, why worry? No one else has reported the issue, and as said already, Itchy Boots has done 20,000kms around India on a pre production model without issue
@@jerzywoking1699 20k ? Its 2k
@@jerzywoking1699he had issues with two bikes so it is a major issue. Maybe not for you but for anyone who knows how painful this issue can be.
This is why getting a new model's first production run unit is never the best idea. The manufacturers test it extensively, but we are still talking about a few tens of riders testing it during the design and production stages. Many issues go unnoticed until tens of thousands of customers ride them for hundreds of thousands of kilometres. Hopefully, those issues will be fixed in future design iterations. I plan to get this in a couple of years (by the 3rd iteration) as long as something else competitive appears in the sub-500cc segment. I am also keeping an eye on the upcoming redesign of the KTM 390 ADV. Don't really want to go above 500cc again.
If mo one bought the first models out, then no company would ever survive, with thousands of unsold bikes......
It's a pre-production issue.. It's surprising that itchy boots did over 200k on tougher terrain and didn't notice anything like that..
Thanks for sharing your honest review. This is what we actually expect from reviewers. 👍👍
Not fairy tales and happily ever after stories...the reality...unfiltered!! 👍
Could be some error in ECU programming judging by the behaviour with throttle glitch, engine cut-off and the mode change error at first try, being a pre production test bike these glitches are usual. Try it once again in US when the production bike arrives there and see if these issues persist :) will also wait for production model user reviews here in india as well :)
Mode change might be like my Triumph- you can't change modes unless you cycle it off and on again, before hitting the ignition. So, pick your ride mode before you start riding rather than being able to change it on the fly. Makes sense, since it would warrant less attention on the road to do it while riding.
And thats why you don't need ride by wire in small ADV bike
This is a quite prominent problem in 411 cc in Himalayan and. Scram. I own a Scram for a year and I still have the issue unresolved. I am glad you got all of it in camera. Else it's not convincing to others. RE has still been not able to do anything with this problem. This shows their incompetence. I have been really annoyed with this problem and I understand the frustration.
Again, this has never happened on my Himalayan.
Thanks for showing this. The company should take note an fix it. I face the same thing with my KTM adventure 390 and need to clear the throttle body every few months.
Great review! Any review I have watched so far have the same things to say, that it has nothing from the old himalayan, everyting is new and better. I had a himalayan 411, after I had completed 30k on odo, i was on yet another ride, just after completing 300km in that ride, the engine died. It was a really painful experience getting the bike fixed. Finally I sold it off. Himalayan was my dreqm but now I am more carefull.
Classic Royal Enfield character. The 411 experiences similar issues with either difficulty starting, cutting out when pulling the clutch in or just totally dying. Most common causes are idle speed setting, bad relays and bad fuel pump. Lots of bikes have no issues but some owners have played a lot of wack-a-mole trying to isolate the cause.
My friend owns a 2021 model Himalayan. He had this exact issue in the bike. We have visited the SVC about 10 times and it took them a while (about 2-3 months) to accept that there is an issue. Many a times, the SVC guy just revved it like he's riding a sports bike and said there's no issue! After many visits, we went to another RE SVC and they tried to fix it by replacing some components such as sensors, fuel injector, etc. Finally, in September 2023, they replaced the ECU and now it's fine. All these replacement were done free of cost. But I can tell you, it annoyed the fuck out of the owner. Numerous visits to SVC, irresponsible behaviour in one of the SVC, we had to change to another SVC, the issue sucks the fun out of rides, etc. We never had the confidence to take it for a long ride. But now for the past 3 months, he is enjoying his bike. I hope it stays that way.
July 2024 Update:
The problem showed up again since January 2024. Service centre guys told that there is nothing more to be done. My friend sold the bike 2 weeks ago. The overall experience was annoying and sad.
The issue was with that specific unit I guess. If anyone has any pre delivery inspection to identify these kinds of issues, please comment. That would help a lot of people.
Thanks for being honest. We need real reviews not paid. Glad you noticed and reported, i hope RE would fix it.
Are you saying all other reviewers are liars?
I adore that digital display. Even on digital displays I want them to be round and look analog. Ffs pls I don’t want all the noise.
11:45
Having the same issues with 2 completely different Himalayan model Royal Enfield bikes???
Who's to say that these issues aren't affecting the entirety of the Himalayan models, this is something that Royal Enfield needs to have thoroughly addressed
These are all pre production bikes my dude, hopefully they will resolve this issue
@@adityan3208 so, essentially, Yammie was working out the bugs
Altitude and RE electricals/ECU's are not great friends. Carburetors are a different story. I remember switching from ECU to Carburetor on my 500 on the Himalayas ride. Was such a joy. Flash forward the 650 had the same issues, had to upgrade to a Piggy back ECU with AFR correction/refine unit. RE need to figure out their Electrical Game.
Fantastic scenery. Thanks for taking us through this awesome journey. Which route in the Himalayas did you take please?
And that’s me steering away from that bike. Thanks, Yammie. Fix it, RE.
Happy to see Yammie in India.
I’m glad someone pointed the issue out
It’s possible that your power problem is linked to the not functioning pre production modes issue. I watched an early video when the latest Africa Twin came out. A bike that was running perfectly suddenly refused to climb a fairly easy hill, when the rider opened the throttle nothing happened. In that case it was that the ECU was simply following instructions; the anti-wheelie option was active and when the front wheel got too far above the rear wheel it cut the power. Simple to fix once one person in the crowd of people giving advice spotted the problem.
Excellent work, Yammie! However my experiance with the Himalayan so far says that there is a proper technique that comes with experience of riding in Himalayas.... The stalling issue might just be because of improper gear shifting or even a clogged air filter due to the extremely fine dust in the Himalayas.
You can say that particular bike had a major issue, but you can't then extrapolate that to the entire model unless it was happening to many bikes on the event. There's always going to be the odd bike that has issues, no matter what brand.
Several other reviewers have noted how to do the mode change while riding......
Also, not mentioning that the altitude robs around 25 to 30% of power.
I can’t believe it dies like that, I hope the bike gets checked out much love Yammie!
Last year I had the same issue with my 411 on the mountain range, it was most likely a fuel injection issue. Hope they fix it.
Don’t worry not everyone experienced this issue maybe a defective system or its a pre production unit
The problem is with fuel quality
@@Cryptosamurai-q2ksir not everyone has the freedom to highlight issues in India 😂
@@BuluBiker Obviously you have freedom to talk issues. Wdym
2019 april I was firsf who took 650 int to spiti. It dies more badly than this. I had to remove air filter plate to let more oxygen go in. I was first guy in north india who reported and 2nd was bullu biker who took inty to gurdungmar lake. This is issue is required remap of ecu which allow more oxygen in high mountains.
Thanks for ur review. I like ur review .
Thanks
A fabulous review. Good and bad pointed out to help everyone involved - the makers and the future riders. This issue really hurts in high altitude because in India high altitude is REALLY HIGH. Bad fuel is aplenty. And of course the electricals need adjustment because RE users definitely dream of riding in the wild not in the cities. The only saviour is a great service network even in remote areas. Great job
A similar throttle situ on old 411 found vent hose from tank to vapor box was preventing proper venting of tank. Cut fuel to engine on rough roads. Was removing whole vapor box and just venting short hose to atmosphere.
It is usage of sub-standard gas that is causing this. Plus the effect of choking of BS6 exhaust filters from burning that fuel, especially if you are riding a lot on low rpm and bike is struggling for torque.
Use minimum Octane 91, and ride at optimum torque band rpms for each gear.
+1 for bringing off-road content back
Safe to say, that throttle issue will be a topic of discussion in any RE dealership I will most likely be visiting soon, hopefully to sit on and order one of these. Once those bugs are worked out and they can guarantee the reliability of this bike, it’s about as perfect as it gets.
I do not see the point of ride by wire on this bike since it doesn’t even have cruise control. It just seams more complicated and less reliable. I am sure RE had a good reason for doing this but I don’t know what it is.
Awesome clean crisp review! Unlike the other who just come on camera wearing sun glasses and talk cra[ for hours! your review makes total sense.
Did you report the stalling issue? what was their response!?
Good tat you pointed out hope RE team have a look into it. But this kind of common issue in RE bikes not a major issue at all. Its about the fueling some times it happens here it might b the altitude due to which its occuring. Also while crawling use of clutch is kind of norm to indians hence other youtubers couldn't get this issue. No need to worry though hopefully anycase RE solves it if its persistent
An ironic problem for a bike named Himalayan
@@VelkePivo haha
Don't put your poor driving habits on an entire country lol
Saying that it doesn’t seem like a Royal Enfield might be seen as a negative thing by their sales executives. It’s a bit like when Harley introduced the Pan American, they have a huge customer base and it was important that the new model would really appeal to them as well as offering an alternative to the established adventure bikes. The Himalayan 411 was always unique in its market, the 452 is set to take on some pretty competitive machines, head to head. It needs to appeal to RE enthusiasts as well as those looking for a mid sized adventure bike to get the sales it deserves.
I’m sticking with my 411.
@@Rick-ve5lx Same here, I love the low-end torque and simplicity of the 411. It's perfect for my needs!
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horrible fuel / water inside the tank (sadly common in these areas especially with bikes that undergo testing and then get left alone for a couple days/weeks)
the relays died to grease spunk and muddy stuff causing the fuel pump to malfunction
clutch cable isnt disengaging properly (heavy use testbike clutch semi worn)
also dont trust the odometer, these bikes get swapped parts more often than you change underwear, pre production
There were many reviews, but none had the issue that you said. Noraly from Itchy Boots has got the very first pre production model which she has ridden for a few thousand kilometres now! Even she did not complain once about the throttle issue that you are facing in second gear!
Yikes! I guess that's why it is a pre-production model and not a production model!
Isn’t there a button, on the left handlebar controls, that can be turned to increase the lower RPMS, for example from almost zero when at idle, up to 1500? I think it is included because it takes a while to warm the little engine, preventing the “cut off” early in a ride. I think the designers knew this and included this adjustment for the time prior to the warm up.
I also had the same issue with my GT650 again and again even the RE service couldn't rectify the problem. The bike was at the service center for a month then they given me that issue resolved, but the issue started again. And finally I sold my GT650.
With the context of CTXP's video riding these same roads at those altitudes, part of me wonders if it's really the venue that's the problem here, and not the bike. Could go either way, I'll be curious about RE's response.
Bro it might be sensor of ride by wire issue ask them to diagnose out ask for different bikes and ride if issue persists than RE needs to rectify before production
Altitude+ECU 👽❤️🐍
I was waiting for your review since I needed someone to give an unbiased review and not someone who JUST sings it's praises. It's a great bike, but everything has its ups and down right.
Just watched Nora riding hers through the Himalayas at 17,000 ft. altitude, low speed, no problems reported /observed...
NGL, I love that digital Screen though, love the views too kinda reminds me of GTA 5 in mountains, :D
I would greatly appreciate a comprehensive and dedicated review of this bike from engineers. I believe the engineers at RE are enthusiastic individuals who would welcome the opportunity for an in-depth discussion about the bike.
And they are British!
@@jerzywoking1699 lol, they are martians
It looks like it didn't have the fueling issue until you switched to performance mode (at least on the first bike). Did you also enable it after switching bikes? If so, maybe the problem is with the fuel mapping in sport mode. That could also explain why other reviewers didn't notice the problem.
I absolutely love this outro
Have you seen the first and second Himalayan 450's? It looks like the old one but with the 450 liquid cooled engine in it. I think it looks so much better. It is exactly what I wanted RE to do with the Himalayan, but they gave us this run of the mill modern looking one instead.
My RE500 which had EFI had a similar problem especially at altitude (as the air got thinner it lost power and the engine would cut off). I got rid of the EFI and fitted a carburetor. Problem solved.
Also the relays were prone to rust and could also leave you stranded..
New Age KLR ❤, I just hope its durable over the period
My BS6 350cc bike does that same thing on flat paved roads as well, especially when the clutch is engaged and on higher gear, with the throttle not engaged, does on any gear. Only scare is on busy high traffic and high speed highways, this happens then it's scary with vehicles approaching at high speed from behind me.
So those that don't know this was about 10k feet above sea level (the tallest peak in New England at Mount Washington is only 6k feet and that is the very tip) if you have ridden a motorcycle at higher elevations and especially with shit fuel this can happen. Could also just be that this bike was ridden before by 20 different people and crashed 50 different times and now the lean over is a little worse for ware.
This happens due to issues in the fuel pump or might be bad fuel up.
This is why i love the bike but im yet to get it.... Any new bike might " MIGHT" have issues missed out by the manufacturers, so im gonna wait for people to buy the bike use it for a good amount of miles and only get the newer models if at all any more issues arise and the royal Enfield fixes those issues
Maybe the accelerator/ throttle cable needs some tightening, not sure.
They should get rid of ride by wire and go back to the cable ,what happens if you break down in the middle of no where how do you fix it
It started after the stream. Is it water getting in somewhere?
Two different bikes you’ve ridden? You might consider down shifting. The one cylinder engine may be asking for higher RPMs. Just a thought…. Thanks for sharing, from east Tennessee.
Watching Yammie use the horn like we Indians do @2:14 is hilarious 😂.
Anything over 20hp = wheel spin
R.E.: unable to spin the tires anywhere at all no matter what even if you lift the rear into the air.
Not under powered at all.
Check your side stand. When it’s engaged it cuts the engine out
Thank you for these test, I hope you will also test Kove 450 rally and 800X rally in future
The whole point of crazy emission standards is to crush affordable/reliable/simple ICE vehicles. When freedom of movement is exclusive, then greater control is achieved.
It sounds like a traction or stability control thing but if it doesn’t have that I’ve got zero guesses
It has to be updated it is not yet fully adventured bike yet. Some review says that it has some engine problems. Makes lot of noise in engine.
Happens all the time on my Himalayan 411 when the fuel is low.
Itchy Boots did 4000 KM in Himalayas as well and she did not report any issue. It looks like bike specific issue or ride mode issue. BTW....all reviews are sponsored by RE including Yammies.
It does have a pretty irritating problem. If you don't get the tubeless version, then if you POP a tube they do not sell the size tube you need yet even with the 3 year warranty and road side assistance the only way to fix the problem is to buy the whole wheel assembly tire and tube. And that is a little pricey and it's not covered by the warranty
If you were the only person it could be that both those bikes had loose connections to the fuel pump or by coincidence, both bikes shared the same batch of bad fuel. Hard to understand why the other riders didn't suffer yet we could all see the problems you were having. Even stranger, no other tester has reported it yet either in other reviews which is weird. Pity you couldn't have tried a third bike.
if you go higher the oxygen is different and some bikes they don't perform well on full throttle, Maybe is the air filter or the Himalayan need some changes🏍💨💨
What was the problem, did you finally find out?
Fuel mapping issue at altitude. The bike did not leave you for dead though.
Has the bike been ridden in properly??? If less than 1000km most people say Himmys need to be ridden light.
1500 miles on my Himmy, no stalling etc..I do think its a bit lumpy in 2nd so might see how it does in Spring.
I saw a bunch of videos about the new Himalayan, but no one said about the size. Guys, is it a small motorcycle or not? I'm not talking here about engine size, but frame size. Any good for tall riders, or is it one more model like the KTM 390 Adventure which is clearly made for the Asian market?
Is what im looking for... Is good for tall rider?
yess, thats the relay unit..
Grateful it happened to you man ..i don't think any one else would have actually put this out..thanks...
What makes you say that? Do you think that every other person that tested the bike lied?
I think this don't have low end power as the old bike
Guys please. Where is this?! The scenery is beautiful!
Would like to see you do another test back home in the US with a production bike spld here and see if any problems before i buy one, please!!
I haven't seen anyone having this issue so far , maybe a standalone fault
No one’s telling you bcz all of them are paid not to
He said in the last vid every bike he tried did it
@@TypicalKannadiga also indian reviewers dont want to get on the bad side of RE fans, could really hurt views and their livelihood
@@TypicalKannadigaothers?
@@TypicalKannadigagurugale bitbiddi ond sali parvagila 😅
This engine is all new with 4 valves, liquid cooled, DOHC setup. This engine loves to rev. It doesn't have long stroke motor like it's predecessor. That's why below 3000 rpm it does stall. Bottom end torque is not as good as previous bike.
Or maybe fuel mapping could be changed later by the manufacturer.
Which is better the 2023 KLR or this. Sounds like the Klr has a lot more torque