He seems a little combative with some of the other hosts in videos I've seen. Hopefully he can learn to share without talking over/cutting off other people
He's got a comfortably smooth manner of speech that relaxes the listener. Excellent addition to the team. Would love to see him and Andy in a room just talking retro tech or something.
I think they should sponsor another challenge: someone at the office gets to pick one storage system/NAS for each of these data hoarders and take it offline. The victor is the one who can get back up and running with all their data intact the quickest.
@@PetrFlosman saving the day made him super happy so he's gonna keep all the videos just in case he gets to save the day again, basically. It's in the Mark the wedding hoarder section.
@@PetrFlosman 10:18 in the segment about "Mark the wedding hoarder"
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I find it so funny how they find it sooo weird that a photographer keeps backups of his work but super reasonable that someone keeps recordings of all the games they have played
@@Naokarma To be fair, you never know how many years down the line you'll get a call from a family asking if they still have the videos because they lost all of their stuff in a fire, etc. If you can afford it and it doesn't become a waste of time to maintain it, no reason to not just do it.
Plus he's funny without it feeling like he has 'too much' personality, or overtly loud. Just an enjoyable person to have on camera and/or interacting with other people on camera
Yeah, I've gotten so accustomed to r/datahoarders that I didn't even question the idea that someone would have like every version of Ubuntu just for the sake of posterity...
I didn't realize it until I read your comment lol, for I too actually have Linux ISO on my backup drives. Ubuntu 9.04, 5.10, Lubuntu 10, 11, 12,14, etc and various obscure distros for "ancient" hardware like Tiny Core Linux. So that joke sailed right over my head. I just thought they were avoiding the subject of their pirated goods altogether.
Dan will be a great host on its own in no time. Let him get more experienced and get comfortable. He is already such a great addition to the team. Hold him tight and never let him leave!
honestly, i understand the "hoarding" of wedding footage and would do the same. who wants to be that guy who has someone reach out in a desperate effort to reclaim footage of their wedding and have to say "sorry i deleted it".
True, and I don't think it is going to take a lot of storage for those wedding footage and using HDDs, it is not going to be expensive either. Heck, my mum wants to get her wedding footage back too, but she couldn't find her wedding photographer anymore
Start a email campaign to the old customers: "I'm performing a life cleaning. I have video of your wedding. Would you like it all? This is how much $ I'd like for it." Then "Pfft"
@@michaelbacqalen1109 nah it's not the photographer job to store that shit. It's weird to store other people's wedding photos. Just give the photos to the couple and delete their shit. Problem solve. If they lost it that's their problem.
@@bruh-tx7tb photographer here. My "keeper" raw files are kept forever. If a couple wants them again at some point in the future they pay a fee for that, it also allows me to print their stuff for them in the future as printing the delivered JPEGs isn't great.
I’d love to get a Linus Tech Tips Guide on how to properly set up an all around data storage and backup system for personal usa cases. Perhaps in Tiers from light users to professional? Would both be super convenient to have and probably make for a nice video!
The problem is they'd need to make a ton of separate videos or cram loads of methods into a supercut because needs are not uniform. Short answer for most people is managed off-site ('cloud').
@@jsutrov Yeah, as long as you encrypt everything you put on there, and pray their algorithm doesn't decide that 'a' is now 'offensive' and deletes everything. I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but you should be aware of what the cloud storage's policies and procedures are, and just like local, don't trust it completely.
@@chrisbaker8533 I mean, the only time that's ever happened was because the FBI seized all the servers and refuse to take the machines online ever again.
@@chrisbaker8533 Yea....I had a online storage drive I used just for some stuff I used in multiple sites. It wasn't important but it was a decent collection of stuff I've obtained over the years...well I left the field I was in as a career but kept the stuff as I still did some minor private work. Well I forgot to update my credit card and because I wasn't active using it anymore and an old email address, I let the payments lapse and they deleted all my stuff. It wasn't anything that would affect my life but it's something that could easily be overlooked. Offsite storage is smart as protection against fires, floods, crazy girlfriends, but it's not an end all be all and no solution is.
I've never just loved a new lmg personality quite like Dan, last time it was Anthony, but Dan is so enjoyable to watch, and I kinda dig the Dan x Jake format, I'd like to see more of this unlikely duo.
The overestimate is understandable. I remember helping someone with transferring their linux isos to a NAS unit and before starting they wildly overestimated the data on discs. 1TB of CD storage is ~1400 CDs. I've also done the same when I migrated a bunch of linux isos from DVD to a NAS and similarly overestimated; 1TB is ~250 DVDs. If any one person estimates they have more than 1 TB of CDs or 2 TB of DVDs that is a sign to ask for disc counts instead. 1400 discs is a ~1.68 meter tall stack.
@@gljames24 M-Disk can be DVD or Blu Ray capacities. Standard bluray is 25GB or 40 per 1TB. Dual layer disks for DVD or Blu Ray can be a consideration as those are double capacity. I would assume single layer capacity though unless otherwise is known.
Oh my god i'm a dumbass. I was like "why are you backing up linux isos, just download them from the repo". This video makes so much sense now. thank you.
Capturing lossless vhs footage actually requires a huge amount of data. I started doing the same and a single 6 hr vhs tape (recorded in extended play) is about 240 gb. Of course, you can save a ton of space by compressing the video file to a lossy format, but then you would be losing a little data and that wouldn’t be data hoarding. Those bins of tapes could easily comprise another 25-50 tb of data.
This video made me feel so much more justified about my drive situation. My desktop has 5 hard/solid state drives for a total of 7TB of storage. Most people treat me like some kind of weirdo because I have so much. But I don't hold a candle to any of this.
Me too. I thought I was excessive with about 12TB of storage half of which is a backup copy. A lot I know I could do without. I keep it because it doesn't physically take up any more space.
My PC has 32TB total so you aren’t in the weird category at all. Storage is one of those things that if I can afford to, I never want to deal with “oh no, I need to delete this n that” so I can fit my new game in here, or backup a phone etc.
1TB SSD on my pc, and that's all I need. I'd like 4 total in the future, but I'm not even close to filling up my 1TB. Watching this video feels like aliens talking due to how wildly different our lives are, with storage. Genuinely, what are y'all doing with all that space? I think it just comes down to profession, cause everyone questioned is obviously involved with video content production, and all I got is some Steam games and a couple bits of art I thought was neat that I never even look at, which are backed up on Mega, and that's it.
I had a dual hdd failure on a raid 5 array a few years back. Lost 10 years of family photos. There were tears. Now I have 2 separate raid 6 arrays each with redundant power supplies, battery backup, cold spares, and cloud sync of important files. Some lessons you only really learn after you get a kick in the gut.
Yep, I only started using back blaze after I had an external Seagate drive fail that was holding backups as well as some data that wasn't backed up. Now I use back blaze after I had to go through that painful process.
It was from LTT video I came to know about Acronis. Visited their website and casually went to their career page and was lucky to see they have openings in India and now working with Acronis. 🤞🏻
Can you ask some of the devs why they hate error messages that are useful? -Sincerely Acronis Cyber Backup customer.
Acronis software - "Hey, something went wrong. You should probably fix this". User - "sure, what's the error message? Can't be a big deal". Acronis - "oh this is super simple. Dhfh4&7/'!&cbskc-zhfe". Google - "don't look at me. I don't know what they are talking about"
@@random36745 actually there’s log files *mms0.log* etc which keeps track of all error messages and everything, you can check those logs actually and supply it to acronis support team they will surely look into that and fix it.
@@RaphaelSwinkels will pass the feedback, you can put in a support request as well. Team will surely check the performance and perform any optimizations if needed.
used to be able to mount full bluray ISO's with media center software on my HPTC to keep the menus and uncompressed audio etc, but I gave up trying to figure out anyone supporting this anymore. sad
@Bobbybob thanks I appreciate you pointing out that option, but browsing windows folders to launch an ISO with VLC would be a pretty terrible couch experience
Well, today I learned that I'm a data horder... This whole time I just thought a good way of backing up data was - fill drive - remove drive and place in drawer - buy and install new drive... It's worked so far!
TBH that's not that terrible, although it's not really a backup unless you have 2 copies of all of the drives. Powering them on once every year or two can help a bit with bit rot.
Honestly i say it depends on what you do, also depends on how big the drives were as filling up 10tb drives at a time makes for great storage considering you can get 14tb drives for around $200 USD and 2tb SSDs for around $60 USD
Video aside, you guys made an excellent job with your new hires, especially Dan and Adam. It baffles me that they are just there and perform on spot in their first videos, huge props to them and the team!
@@curtisss unfortunately they just churn out gmod or whatever is currently popular as much as possible instead of making quality stuff. Sips is still going great though and has never lost me. What a guy.
My wife lost her phone in a porter potty and we thought we lost the first 11 months of our first child's life. Years later, facebook, and google photos started doing those memory things. We started bawling the first time google was like "here are some memories!" We pay for a backup service now, because of that experience.
are you seriously telling us that you just left all your data of that nature on a phone ? you didn't think it important enough to have a hard backup on a DVD or USB drive ? or S.S.D ? why would you PAY for a backup service ? that's nuts ! cloud data is just , ugh...
@@psycronizer I was completely new to any sort of data that was precious enough to back up, it just wasn't important for any reason yet. My wife also took all the pictures with her phone, and I didn't consider what was at stake because I had a digital camera before that and always had to make backups by putting them on my PC, and sharing them via USB sticks. Why would I back up crappy phone pictures was probably my reasoning.
@@psycronizer it's basically just Dropbox. And it's just for the mission critical stuff. Everything could be destroyed tomorrow in a fire and I wouldn't be heartbroken.
Definitely want more of Dan, was fun to watch him in this and the house move-in. Not a fan of the way the video was structured though, I assume there were some limitations in having the interviews shot first, but it felt a bit disjointed; sometimes it seemed like you were addressing the person being interviewed, and sometimes not. Just my 2 cents (not Jay's though) Lastly, a word of advice: TEST YOUR BACKUPS! The worst time to find out the backup has an issue is when you're trying to restore it after a failure.
Yeah and they've admitted their mistake but like they said they have been figuring all this out as they go. That server was set up years ago and it wasn't an automatic feature back then I do believe. Plus as Linus has always said the petabyte project has always just been a flex and not actually practical. He doesn't need to store every second of footage they've ever shot it's just a fun project that gives them an excuse to dable in the more insane and expensive side of data storage
I'm data hoarding my Zoom classes right now. I'm thinking that I might use them in the future if I ever want to re-educate myself (probably won't ever happen tho).
I friggin love Dan so much, just clicks on camera, naturally funny (doesn't feel like he's "trying" iykwim) Knowledgable of course, and personally, I really love his softer voice, it adds to the hilarity of the jokes
If I would’ve had patience and waited to get more space rather than constantly deleting files, I too would also be a data hoarder with bedrooms full of storage. Though honestly it would get to a point where I would consolidate everything. Back in the day an external 250gb drive was a big deal. I literally still have 512mb thumb drives lying around.
It would be helpful to cite sources for the claim that keeping backups on unplugged external hard drives is unsafe and/or leads to bit rot. I run a full surface scan of all my externals once a year and I've never had any problems. Keeping HDD backups running 24/7 seems far more risky to me. Power outages and surges happen, and not everyone can afford a UPS. Also, USB externals are not designed to run 24/7, most of them park heads very frequently. Leaving them plugged in all the time will wear them out very quickly.
Lol, i cried when i almost(i was able to recover them) lost 10GB of photos i didn't backup and these guys have tens of terabytes of stuff and some of them don't even do backups. I feel less bad about my bad backups habit now xD
@@harambo88 do you mean i have few photos? Well mostly they are really low quality old photos but they are memories, besides the smaller the better.. all of my backups(dot files from linux, game files, documents, code, photos) is about 28GB
They're beating around the bush a lot because they're on camera, but a lot of that storage is ripped movies ... of questionable legality. Whenever someone says Plex, that's what they're talking about.
one of the best things to come out of quarantine was linus growing out a beard, its crazy just how much better he looks with it, even with all of his quirks its still so much easier to take him seriously and he definitely gives off a more chill vibe now
I'm a noob in the data hoarder space but I don't have 1k to spend on bigger drives. Barely have a raidz2 with 6x 4tb drives. Want to go to 14tb drives though
Yeah, I do the 3-2-1 strategy: 3 decades of precious memories and irreplaceable files 2 TB Seagate drive from 2011 that stores everything 1 week spent crying when it dies
I always wanted to see Jake's NAS, and would actually like a full video on it 😅 But the server stuff really does it for me anyway, so I'm looking forward to future videos on this!
thank you this video was the kick i needed to finally go through my nas (which is 9 years old now so the hard drives are living on borrowed time) and finally track down the last few things i dont have extra copies of elsewhere and finally get them backed up to the cloud. unless ive missed something i should now be safe in the event both my nas and pc were to suddenly die at the same time.
We have less than 1 mbps upload speed and Back Blaze actually got in touch to say "it's not feasible for you to use our service, here's a refund." After my Mother-in-law spent over a year trying to back up all her photography stuff. I don't know how much it is but it only ever got to about 40% done.
Drobo isn't Mac-specific, they're a DAS device provider that have been around for years. They were popular in the wedding industry for a while until people realized how slow, proprietary, and unstable they are.
@Linus I can absolutely feel your need to backup Family photos. That's actually the most critical data i backup. I use my Nas/unRAID PC at home, 1Tb of onedrive storage and Photobooks. I would definitely cry if I'd loose it. BTW I really like this style of video! You guys are really great!
Mark would be able to relate to my dad. He has a basement will with VHS Tapes. Filled with weddings, family footage, local events and so on. I would say 25 years worth of footage (he loved recording on his 2/3" shoulder camera). He retired a while back so he's slowly converting his footage into digital...
One of my hd's had a hard loss of partition data. It was so hard, that it thought it had no space, and the data was of RAW value. Really fun to rebuild, if you have HDD, but unfortunately I had an SSD. I got all the space back, but most of the data was gone, so I had to format the whole disk. Lost all my Wallpapers, Music I had ripped of my own cd's since 2013, some home movies and photos. Now I'm glad for DropBox, OneDrive and such, for they keep my precious memories incase I lose the hard copies. I had made some backups earlier, but still some things that can never be restored, were lost.
@@redangel745 Doesn't have to be unlimited storage does it? I'm assuming the majority if not all of the cost would be covered by LMGs biz model but I'd be interested why this particular project would be an exception. Reasons vary from simply for a video to an actual decent backup solution for LMG staff members.
I'm more baffled that these tech guys didn't even know what a Drobo is. Its literally just a storage box but they've been in business for quite a long time.
Dan has been an absolute delight ever since he first showed up. Hopefully he likes being on camera, because I like seeing him on it. =) I'm in the Drobo situation myself. It's been great for me honestly, managed to keep my data through multiple hard drive failures, and my original unit only broke when I was stupid and forgot to take the drives out while moving house. Didn't break completely, but the connectors got a bit flaky. I got a replacement unit without a hassle and it has been working great too. The PROBLEM is that all that was a couple of years back. Drobo right now seems to exist in a weird limbo, where none of their stuff is available in stores, they barely communicate with customers, and they just seem like they're not there anymore, or won't be in a while. And that's not a good thing. So I'm trying to figure out a replacement ASAP, will probably go with Synology. Just annoyed that I can only get a NAS, not a DAS these days... No physical backups of my own, if I could afford those I'd have more storage full stop, but I do have basically all of my data (some filetypes skipped) backed up on cloud should something catastrophic happen, so I'm not actually that worried. It'd be a huge inconvenience, but not the end of the world. EDIT: And before anyone asks "why DAS?": Main reason is that my cloud backup provider doesn't support NAS backups on my service level, and the level that would support them is 5x the price. Secondary is that I don't want to have to rebuild the libraries of all of my media servers (Plex, Ubooquity, etc.), and a DAS would allow me to just stealthily assign the same drive letter to a new one and none of the software would be any the wiser... =)
As a typical person with terrible backup practices, I did actually have an issue with a dead HDD with all our family photos and important data on it and no backup and Acronis came to my rescue. In my case I was able to freeze my HDD which gave me a small amount of time to copy the data using Acronis, unfortunately there was some regrettable loss due to corrupted files but Acronis saved us from an absolute loss. And now I feel terrible because my current backups are out of date and about the same as LMG staff in this video.
I'm at 130TB (116TB used, 14TB free) and easily expected Linus to beat this (vs his personal storage, not his business), a little surprised he didn't. Though, if he wanted to, he can easily do it obviously. However, didn't expect Mark to blow it out of the competition with his combination of storages. All my CD storages is dead. I used to horde on CD solutions in the late 1990s. But never reached over 1000, but I would say I was getting there. Since I regularly purchases 100pks. Though, filesize content back then weren't as bloated compared to today. Images were 5kb to high quality 250kb and not 5mb to 25mb of today on average (of course can be even much bigger).
I'm with Linus. Since I got out of doing video editing, there is almost no reason to keep data locally to my computer. Even when I take pictures on the good camera, I always import directly to my OneDrive folder so it syncs automatically to the cloud. With the exception of a few documents that are also in that folder for immediate back-up, I keep nothing locally. My SSD on my laptop is almost exclusively apps and games.
Actually I have a spreadsheet that I’ve been maintaining since like 97 of CDs and DVDs that has achieved maximum lines, in fairness there are a few duplicates but i have also never bothered to try and calculate the amount of data that actually is lol
@@TalesOfWar I stopped backing up to optical years ago and I’ve been migrating it away from for a while now, as time and budget permits. Not gonna lie I used to run a couple of different file servers in the day… ahh carracho and kdx lol
I'm so glad to see someone still playing Sega Saturn's guardian heroes! The 6 player arena mode is insane on that game especially if you can get 6 people playing it at once! That low key looks just the game room in our basement with all the consoles and wires.
Man, I'd put your LMG staff to shame. I have a 24 bay populated with 16TB gold WD drives. For around 400TB. I'm using 200TB of that right now. This should've been opened up to also rating community NAS servers too, would've been nice to include them. :)
In my school district I am number 3 of most used storage of 70k people. Since google limited free education storage from unlimited to 100tb for the entire district I now need to go from 2.2 tb to 5gb. All the storage is from my sophomore year of HS in the video production program. Funny thing is that the top 20 storage users are in the production class.
@@rudysal1429 mostly 4K but at the time since it was unlimited our method was store everything now I have about 1.3 after deleting what is not good footage
The fact I’m building out a Ceph-based cluster that includes a NextCloud instance running on a private Kubernetes cluster, with automatic Tape backup… makes me feel like I belong on this show.
With more experience, Dan will become a fantastic host. He has the natural charisma
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I love Dan's dry humor
He seems a little combative with some of the other hosts in videos I've seen. Hopefully he can learn to share without talking over/cutting off other people
I freaking love Dan, we haven't seen much of him yet, but he's becoming one of my favorite personalities at LTT!
Fr, he's funny but so chill, we can see that in their other video when they "build" Linus's house
Yeah I've def been enjoying him! I also like Jake too so this video was great
Dan is indeed the man. Knowledgeable about hardware, friendly, will happily roast Linus.
Same
He's got a comfortably smooth manner of speech that relaxes the listener. Excellent addition to the team. Would love to see him and Andy in a room just talking retro tech or something.
I think they should sponsor another challenge: someone at the office gets to pick one storage system/NAS for each of these data hoarders and take it offline. The victor is the one who can get back up and running with all their data intact the quickest.
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@@jaiden051 All hail Jeff Geerling
That's a very red shirt Jeff thing to say
Unleash a chaos monkey? :)
Only 192 days with your Petabyte Pi project!
"He probably got so much dopamine saving the day that he's never gonna delete any of this"
Dan is hysterical without even trying
When does he say it? I cannot find it. Also can someone explain this sentence please, it doesn't make sense to me.
@@PetrFlosman saving the day made him super happy so he's gonna keep all the videos just in case he gets to save the day again, basically. It's in the Mark the wedding hoarder section.
@@PetrFlosman 10:18 in the segment about "Mark the wedding hoarder"
I find it so funny how they find it sooo weird that a photographer keeps backups of his work but super reasonable that someone keeps recordings of all the games they have played
While I agree overall, at least the game recordings are your own, and not just a bunch of strangers.
@@Naokarma To be fair, you never know how many years down the line you'll get a call from a family asking if they still have the videos because they lost all of their stuff in a fire, etc. If you can afford it and it doesn't become a waste of time to maintain it, no reason to not just do it.
@@Naokarma Uhh, I really doubt he's storing terabytes of photos of strangers.
for me it is the opposite
dan is great, you can tell he's knowledgeable plus he's naturally got that snappy witty rapport with everyone, hoping to see him more often on LTT!
10:18 When Dan said "I mean, he probably got so much dopamine saving the day that he's never going to delete any of this." I laughed quite loudly.
Plus he's funny without it feeling like he has 'too much' personality, or overtly loud. Just an enjoyable person to have on camera and/or interacting with other people on camera
I liked him, since the first moment I laid eyes on him.
Dan might be the biggest rising star at LTT
I'd like this comment but you're at 669 and I don't want to ruin it. lol
Dan's such a good host, enjoying seeing him more
Agreed! More Dan!
Dan is a natural! Great fit here.
How do they keep finding people who are more and more likeable?
Agreed! Very cool cat.
Looks like Alisson Becker
"He's not storing Linux ISOs, he's storing other people's weddings" had me in stitches XD
I agree. I'm becoming huge fan of Dan. As a bonus, Linus seems to sometimes pronounce is name so that I hear "dad".
I dunno who would store 100's of other people's wedding videos for decades --- some weird kind of fetish
Same lmao
Give the tapes to the people who's wedding it was; problem solved 🙌🏼
@@brettcherry3481 good idea but he said there are literally hundreds of different weddings on those tapes!
Dan is actually quickly becoming one of my fav personalities at LTT.
@@lucasburlingham877 Would be cool if he has a channel and called it Dantech's Inferno
It took me to long to remember "linux isos" means pirated stuff
because I genuinely have linux isos on my backup/NAS/whatever server
Yeah, I've gotten so accustomed to r/datahoarders that I didn't even question the idea that someone would have like every version of Ubuntu just for the sake of posterity...
I realized about a month ago
@@billeckert6614 I realized about 5 minutes ago. I genuinely hoard disk images and I thought I wasn't the only one.
I didn't realize it until I read your comment lol, for I too actually have Linux ISO on my backup drives. Ubuntu 9.04, 5.10, Lubuntu 10, 11, 12,14, etc and various obscure distros for "ancient" hardware like Tiny Core Linux. So that joke sailed right over my head. I just thought they were avoiding the subject of their pirated goods altogether.
I have linux ISOs and "Linux ISOs"
Joining in the love for new guy Dan. Super chill, deadpan wit, perfect fit for the team. Hope to see more of him.
Dan is already a legend, what a great addition to LTT.
Dan will be a great host on its own in no time. Let him get more experienced and get comfortable. He is already such a great addition to the team. Hold him tight and never let him leave!
Dan is already getting camera comfy, he's fitting right in at ltt
I just want to shower some extra love for Dan. He seems like that lovely, knowledgeable, dry humor best friend everyone needs to have. More Dan!
honestly, i understand the "hoarding" of wedding footage and would do the same. who wants to be that guy who has someone reach out in a desperate effort to reclaim footage of their wedding and have to say "sorry i deleted it".
True, and I don't think it is going to take a lot of storage for those wedding footage and using HDDs, it is not going to be expensive either. Heck, my mum wants to get her wedding footage back too, but she couldn't find her wedding photographer anymore
Start a email campaign to the old customers: "I'm performing a life cleaning. I have video of your wedding. Would you like it all? This is how much $ I'd like for it." Then "Pfft"
@@michaelbacqalen1109 nah it's not the photographer job to store that shit. It's weird to store other people's wedding photos. Just give the photos to the couple and delete their shit. Problem solve. If they lost it that's their problem.
@@bruh-tx7tb photographer here. My "keeper" raw files are kept forever. If a couple wants them again at some point in the future they pay a fee for that, it also allows me to print their stuff for them in the future as printing the delivered JPEGs isn't great.
@@TechnoBabble That's creepy bruh.
I’d love to get a Linus Tech Tips Guide on how to properly set up an all around data storage and backup system for personal usa cases. Perhaps in Tiers from light users to professional? Would both be super convenient to have and probably make for a nice video!
The problem is they'd need to make a ton of separate videos or cram loads of methods into a supercut because needs are not uniform. Short answer for most people is managed off-site ('cloud').
@@jsutrov Yeah, as long as you encrypt everything you put on there, and pray their algorithm doesn't decide that 'a' is now 'offensive' and deletes everything.
I'm being a bit hyperbolic, but you should be aware of what the cloud storage's policies and procedures are, and just like local, don't trust it completely.
@@chrisbaker8533 okay
@@chrisbaker8533 I mean, the only time that's ever happened was because the FBI seized all the servers and refuse to take the machines online ever again.
@@chrisbaker8533 Yea....I had a online storage drive I used just for some stuff I used in multiple sites. It wasn't important but it was a decent collection of stuff I've obtained over the years...well I left the field I was in as a career but kept the stuff as I still did some minor private work. Well I forgot to update my credit card and because I wasn't active using it anymore and an old email address, I let the payments lapse and they deleted all my stuff. It wasn't anything that would affect my life but it's something that could easily be overlooked. Offsite storage is smart as protection against fires, floods, crazy girlfriends, but it's not an end all be all and no solution is.
I've never just loved a new lmg personality quite like Dan, last time it was Anthony, but Dan is so enjoyable to watch, and I kinda dig the Dan x Jake format, I'd like to see more of this unlikely duo.
Dan + Jake is EASILY a straightman duo, with Dan being the straightman and Jake being the agent of chaos
Dan is beyond hilarious omg.
"Hundreds of terabytes... Of someone else's wedding..."
The delivery is so perfect
I thought I was a hoarder with a 4tb drive.
Dan the man! He has the foundation of a great LTT host.
@🏳️⚧️KeebeTheKirbyPlush sainsburys better innit
@@genericyoutubechannel3591 Tesco's Massiv
@@JamesChurchill3 morrisons is pretty cool too
@@genericyoutubechannel3591 Aldi is the best but only because I'm a tight arse
Dan is quickly becoming one of the best LTT hosts, need more of his snarky ass lmao
@🏳️⚧️KeebeTheKirbyPlush be gone trans flag freak 🙏🏼🙏🏼
Really? I find him rather unlikable
@@randomactsofcar310 thats just you, hes just like every other nerd at lmg
The overestimate is understandable. I remember helping someone with transferring their linux isos to a NAS unit and before starting they wildly overestimated the data on discs. 1TB of CD storage is ~1400 CDs. I've also done the same when I migrated a bunch of linux isos from DVD to a NAS and similarly overestimated; 1TB is ~250 DVDs. If any one person estimates they have more than 1 TB of CDs or 2 TB of DVDs that is a sign to ask for disc counts instead. 1400 discs is a ~1.68 meter tall stack.
How would Blu-ray or M-disk affect this?
3.28 TB and 611 disk betwen cd and dvd, this is an underestimate as this are only the cataloged discs.
@@gljames24 M-Disk can be DVD or Blu Ray capacities. Standard bluray is 25GB or 40 per 1TB. Dual layer disks for DVD or Blu Ray can be a consideration as those are double capacity. I would assume single layer capacity though unless otherwise is known.
Oh my god i'm a dumbass. I was like "why are you backing up linux isos, just download them from the repo". This video makes so much sense now. thank you.
@@GODAXEN Working on a small child sized stack.
Capturing lossless vhs footage actually requires a huge amount of data. I started doing the same and a single 6 hr vhs tape (recorded in extended play) is about 240 gb. Of course, you can save a ton of space by compressing the video file to a lossy format, but then you would be losing a little data and that wouldn’t be data hoarding. Those bins of tapes could easily comprise another 25-50 tb of data.
digital tapes (dv) also use a lot more than regular codecs like h264/mpeg2
capturing analog footage in lossless is also better because the signal has noise and a lot of movement
This video made me feel so much more justified about my drive situation. My desktop has 5 hard/solid state drives for a total of 7TB of storage. Most people treat me like some kind of weirdo because I have so much. But I don't hold a candle to any of this.
Me too. I thought I was excessive with about 12TB of storage half of which is a backup copy. A lot I know I could do without. I keep it because it doesn't physically take up any more space.
I needed this video for sure. Sadly, it takes forever to backup even if we don't have dozens of terabytes worth.
My PC has 32TB total so you aren’t in the weird category at all. Storage is one of those things that if I can afford to, I never want to deal with “oh no, I need to delete this n that” so I can fit my new game in here, or backup a phone etc.
1TB SSD on my pc, and that's all I need. I'd like 4 total in the future, but I'm not even close to filling up my 1TB. Watching this video feels like aliens talking due to how wildly different our lives are, with storage. Genuinely, what are y'all doing with all that space?
I think it just comes down to profession, cause everyone questioned is obviously involved with video content production, and all I got is some Steam games and a couple bits of art I thought was neat that I never even look at, which are backed up on Mega, and that's it.
Linus is a legend. He listens to the viewers and gave us more DAN!!!
We may have lost Taran the Macro Man, but now we got Dan The New Man.
@@JonManProductions I still miss Taran, man
I had a dual hdd failure on a raid 5 array a few years back. Lost 10 years of family photos. There were tears. Now I have 2 separate raid 6 arrays each with redundant power supplies, battery backup, cold spares, and cloud sync of important files. Some lessons you only really learn after you get a kick in the gut.
The chances of both drives failing are very slim... that sucks
Yep, I only started using back blaze after I had an external Seagate drive fail that was holding backups as well as some data that wasn't backed up. Now I use back blaze after I had to go through that painful process.
Am the same way with family photo
*laughs in Mdisc*
This isn't meant to rub salt on the wound or anything, but this is exactly the reason there's a saying that goes " *RAID is not a backup* "
It was from LTT video I came to know about Acronis. Visited their website and casually went to their career page and was lucky to see they have openings in India and now working with Acronis. 🤞🏻
acronis is good sofware just a bit slow for my liking
Can you ask some of the devs why they hate error messages that are useful?
-Sincerely Acronis Cyber Backup customer.
Acronis software - "Hey, something went wrong. You should probably fix this".
User - "sure, what's the error message? Can't be a big deal".
Acronis - "oh this is super simple. Dhfh4&7/'!&cbskc-zhfe".
Google - "don't look at me. I don't know what they are talking about"
@@random36745 actually there’s log files *mms0.log* etc which keeps track of all error messages and everything, you can check those logs actually and supply it to acronis support team they will surely look into that and fix it.
@@RaphaelSwinkels will pass the feedback, you can put in a support request as well. Team will surely check the performance and perform any optimizations if needed.
Congrats!
I love how fondly Jake speaks about things in Linus’s house.
Hey✋📦.
Jake got me at "That's a 1660 Ti, that's for linux ISO encoding" :D Good old linux ISOs
Dan is quickly becoming one of my favorite members of the team
I figured it’d be Linus considering that he at least backs up all of his Blu-Ray movies. Not to mention that massive server at his new house.
Technically it is Linus because he wanted to keep all of the ltt footage
100 likes i fixed it, i think
used to be able to mount full bluray ISO's with media center software on my HPTC to keep the menus and uncompressed audio etc, but I gave up trying to figure out anyone supporting this anymore. sad
@Bobbybob thanks I appreciate you pointing out that option, but browsing windows folders to launch an ISO with VLC would be a pretty terrible couch experience
@@erichb4530 doesn't Kodi do this out of the box?
Well, today I learned that I'm a data horder... This whole time I just thought a good way of backing up data was - fill drive - remove drive and place in drawer - buy and install new drive... It's worked so far!
TBH that's not that terrible, although it's not really a backup unless you have 2 copies of all of the drives. Powering them on once every year or two can help a bit with bit rot.
Honestly i say it depends on what you do, also depends on how big the drives were as filling up 10tb drives at a time makes for great storage considering you can get 14tb drives for around $200 USD and 2tb SSDs for around $60 USD
Video aside, you guys made an excellent job with your new hires, especially Dan and Adam. It baffles me that they are just there and perform on spot in their first videos, huge props to them and the team!
Dan is the kind of person we all love and want to have a coworker/friend/host/person we all want in our lives. Also, the Jake and Dan duo, love it.
Dan is like a less snarky, more subtly funny Lewis Brindley from Yogscast
The Bristol pusher.
I haven't watched Yogscast in forever, what do they do now? I watched back in the shadow of israphael days
@@curtisss the triforce podcast is pretty good to listen to if you are doing something mundane like driving.
@@curtisss unfortunately they just churn out gmod or whatever is currently popular as much as possible instead of making quality stuff. Sips is still going great though and has never lost me. What a guy.
@@monkeyman0759 I used to love the chemistry between Simon and his friend (who's name escaped my head now)
More Dan please he's great
@🏳️⚧️KeebeTheKirbyPlush stop spamming every comment
My wife lost her phone in a porter potty and we thought we lost the first 11 months of our first child's life. Years later, facebook, and google photos started doing those memory things. We started bawling the first time google was like "here are some memories!" We pay for a backup service now, because of that experience.
are you seriously telling us that you just left all your data of that nature on a phone ? you didn't think it important enough to have a hard backup on a DVD or USB drive ? or S.S.D ? why would you PAY for a backup service ? that's nuts ! cloud data is just , ugh...
Please tell me you stopped sharing your important files with those data mining pieces of filth
Backblaze, or someone trustworthy, please
@@psycronizer I was completely new to any sort of data that was precious enough to back up, it just wasn't important for any reason yet. My wife also took all the pictures with her phone, and I didn't consider what was at stake because I had a digital camera before that and always had to make backups by putting them on my PC, and sharing them via USB sticks. Why would I back up crappy phone pictures was probably my reasoning.
@@demofighter fair enough, everyone starts somewhere, but a backup service? Maybe someone as time poor as Linus but....
@@psycronizer it's basically just Dropbox. And it's just for the mission critical stuff. Everything could be destroyed tomorrow in a fire and I wouldn't be heartbroken.
Definitely want more of Dan, was fun to watch him in this and the house move-in.
Not a fan of the way the video was structured though, I assume there were some limitations in having the interviews shot first, but it felt a bit disjointed; sometimes it seemed like you were addressing the person being interviewed, and sometimes not. Just my 2 cents (not Jay's though)
Lastly, a word of advice: TEST YOUR BACKUPS! The worst time to find out the backup has an issue is when you're trying to restore it after a failure.
15:53
"That's nice!"
"That's bad!"
**glances at Jake waiting for the reaction
"Do LMG staff practice what they preach?" duude, LMG staff didnt even set up scrubs on their production storage server.
whatttt. that's insane. it's so easy to do.
@@orangejuice6286 You just cancelled LTT because they did an oopsie. Nah man.
Yeah and they've admitted their mistake but like they said they have been figuring all this out as they go. That server was set up years ago and it wasn't an automatic feature back then I do believe.
Plus as Linus has always said the petabyte project has always just been a flex and not actually practical. He doesn't need to store every second of footage they've ever shot it's just a fun project that gives them an excuse to dable in the more insane and expensive side of data storage
@@NyxHunter Exactly. Tech is you live and you learn. And you learn by venturing out to new projects and areas.
easily one of the best videos lately, love to see more server and networking content. Congrats Jake!
I'm data hoarding my Zoom classes right now. I'm thinking that I might use them in the future if I ever want to re-educate myself (probably won't ever happen tho).
mannnnn me too! i really wanna delete it but felt like it might be useful in the future
Let me get those
Damn I might consider that
send zooms
remember to tag your stuff
I friggin love Dan so much, just clicks on camera, naturally funny (doesn't feel like he's "trying" iykwim)
Knowledgable of course, and personally, I really love his softer voice, it adds to the hilarity of the jokes
If I would’ve had patience and waited to get more space rather than constantly deleting files, I too would also be a data hoarder with bedrooms full of storage. Though honestly it would get to a point where I would consolidate everything. Back in the day an external 250gb drive was a big deal. I literally still have 512mb thumb drives lying around.
I got a 64mb thumb drive, they rare tho and i want more of them
P
@@RedstoneMiner18 I still have my 16mb USB 2.0 thumb driver from over 15 years ago.
@@SiphonRayzar where does one find one?
@@RedstoneMiner18 I got mine from walmart way back in the day. No idea where to find one that small now.
Yo shoutout for Dan for being an amazing host. After 2 videos he's already one of my favorite to see on camera.
It would be helpful to cite sources for the claim that keeping backups on unplugged external hard drives is unsafe and/or leads to bit rot. I run a full surface scan of all my externals once a year and I've never had any problems. Keeping HDD backups running 24/7 seems far more risky to me. Power outages and surges happen, and not everyone can afford a UPS. Also, USB externals are not designed to run 24/7, most of them park heads very frequently. Leaving them plugged in all the time will wear them out very quickly.
Lol, i cried when i almost(i was able to recover them) lost 10GB of photos i didn't backup and these guys have tens of terabytes of stuff and some of them don't even do backups.
I feel less bad about my bad backups habit now xD
thats a quite small pronfolder
At this point it's almost incompetent because they've lost work related data TWICE and both times were support serious and still no backups
@@michaelf.2449 yes it is lol
@@harambo88 do you mean i have few photos? Well mostly they are really low quality old photos but they are memories, besides the smaller the better.. all of my backups(dot files from linux, game files, documents, code, photos) is about 28GB
They're beating around the bush a lot because they're on camera, but a lot of that storage is ripped movies ... of questionable legality. Whenever someone says Plex, that's what they're talking about.
one of the best things to come out of quarantine was linus growing out a beard, its crazy just how much better he looks with it, even with all of his quirks its still so much easier to take him seriously and he definitely gives off a more chill vibe now
"It's unnecessary because he's not storing Linux ISOs"
Dan is good
Being a member of r/datahoarder I don’t think I’ve ever clicked on a LMG video faster
How much you got? 😆
These guys are rookies by comparison
I'm a noob in the data hoarder space but I don't have 1k to spend on bigger drives. Barely have a raidz2 with 6x 4tb drives. Want to go to 14tb drives though
My man
Then went "Pfffff...."
Yeah, I do the 3-2-1 strategy:
3 decades of precious memories and irreplaceable files
2 TB Seagate drive from 2011 that stores everything
1 week spent crying when it dies
Why do you hate yourself?
I always wanted to see Jake's NAS, and would actually like a full video on it 😅 But the server stuff really does it for me anyway, so I'm looking forward to future videos on this!
Andy, take your old external drives, plug it into a raspberry pi 5, install openmediavault, and setup a share, and you have another nas
Another Dan praise comment.
His smirky/serious tone and dry humor are what LMG really needed right now!!!
Lmao I always feel like no amount of storage will ever be enough...
Same
I agree
Shit will always accumulate to fill thr space available
120TB?
@@Idiomatick not even close lol
I could listen to Dan and Anthony pontificate on things all day! Smooth voices for the internet!
Dan is great. We need more Dan
Staring at all these multiterabyte setups and meanwhile my _entire_ backup of stuff I actually care about is like maybe 150GB
I have like 4 terabytes and I’ve been filming videos for years. Can’t imagine having hundreds
thank you this video was the kick i needed to finally go through my nas (which is 9 years old now so the hard drives are living on borrowed time) and finally track down the last few things i dont have extra copies of elsewhere and finally get them backed up to the cloud.
unless ive missed something i should now be safe in the event both my nas and pc were to suddenly die at the same time.
The video we've all been waiting to for. Who's really the biggest tech nerd of them all?
I wish I could afford just a few drives for backups like this. Excellent video and backup planning.
We have less than 1 mbps upload speed and Back Blaze actually got in touch to say "it's not feasible for you to use our service, here's a refund." After my Mother-in-law spent over a year trying to back up all her photography stuff. I don't know how much it is but it only ever got to about 40% done.
I like how them both make fun of Discs yet doesnt know DVDs & Blu-ray Exist.
Drobo isn't Mac-specific, they're a DAS device provider that have been around for years. They were popular in the wedding industry for a while until people realized how slow, proprietary, and unstable they are.
@Linus I can absolutely feel your need to backup Family photos. That's actually the most critical data i backup. I use my Nas/unRAID PC at home, 1Tb of onedrive storage and Photobooks. I would definitely cry if I'd loose it.
BTW I really like this style of video! You guys are really great!
Mark would be able to relate to my dad. He has a basement will with VHS Tapes. Filled with weddings, family footage, local events and so on. I would say 25 years worth of footage (he loved recording on his 2/3" shoulder camera). He retired a while back so he's slowly converting his footage into digital...
Well atleast it's all SD & probably composite at that
so glad that alisson becker now the employee of lmg
127TB of other peoples weddings...there has to be some wild gems in all that.
Andy is a real man!
Real men don't take backup - they cry when it goes wrong!
One of my hd's had a hard loss of partition data. It was so hard, that it thought it had no space, and the data was of RAW value.
Really fun to rebuild, if you have HDD, but unfortunately I had an SSD.
I got all the space back, but most of the data was gone, so I had to format the whole disk. Lost all my Wallpapers, Music I had ripped of my own cd's since 2013, some home movies and photos.
Now I'm glad for DropBox, OneDrive and such, for they keep my precious memories incase I lose the hard copies.
I had made some backups earlier, but still some things that can never be restored, were lost.
LMG should offer a backup solution for all its staff. Would make a very good sponsored video.
That would be a good usage of a sponsor, in my opinion
This would take petabytes of storage, major cost for what?
@@redangel745 Doesn't have to be unlimited storage does it? I'm assuming the majority if not all of the cost would be covered by LMGs biz model but I'd be interested why this particular project would be an exception. Reasons vary from simply for a video to an actual decent backup solution for LMG staff members.
I'm more baffled that these tech guys didn't even know what a Drobo is. Its literally just a storage box but they've been in business for quite a long time.
Dan's sarcastic remarks are GENIUS! He's even poking Linus the other day.
Dan has been an absolute delight ever since he first showed up. Hopefully he likes being on camera, because I like seeing him on it. =)
I'm in the Drobo situation myself. It's been great for me honestly, managed to keep my data through multiple hard drive failures, and my original unit only broke when I was stupid and forgot to take the drives out while moving house. Didn't break completely, but the connectors got a bit flaky. I got a replacement unit without a hassle and it has been working great too.
The PROBLEM is that all that was a couple of years back. Drobo right now seems to exist in a weird limbo, where none of their stuff is available in stores, they barely communicate with customers, and they just seem like they're not there anymore, or won't be in a while. And that's not a good thing. So I'm trying to figure out a replacement ASAP, will probably go with Synology. Just annoyed that I can only get a NAS, not a DAS these days...
No physical backups of my own, if I could afford those I'd have more storage full stop, but I do have basically all of my data (some filetypes skipped) backed up on cloud should something catastrophic happen, so I'm not actually that worried. It'd be a huge inconvenience, but not the end of the world.
EDIT: And before anyone asks "why DAS?": Main reason is that my cloud backup provider doesn't support NAS backups on my service level, and the level that would support them is 5x the price. Secondary is that I don't want to have to rebuild the libraries of all of my media servers (Plex, Ubooquity, etc.), and a DAS would allow me to just stealthily assign the same drive letter to a new one and none of the software would be any the wiser... =)
Not working in visual media or recording my gaming these numbers are mind boggling. Im so glad I dont need that kinda storage
As a typical person with terrible backup practices, I did actually have an issue with a dead HDD with all our family photos and important data on it and no backup and Acronis came to my rescue. In my case I was able to freeze my HDD which gave me a small amount of time to copy the data using Acronis, unfortunately there was some regrettable loss due to corrupted files but Acronis saved us from an absolute loss. And now I feel terrible because my current backups are out of date and about the same as LMG staff in this video.
Dan has already become a "hey look its Dan, this video should be interesting!" person
I love that Dan packages the straight man and the funny man in one. More of him please, I live for that dry wit.
I'm at 130TB (116TB used, 14TB free) and easily expected Linus to beat this (vs his personal storage, not his business), a little surprised he didn't. Though, if he wanted to, he can easily do it obviously. However, didn't expect Mark to blow it out of the competition with his combination of storages. All my CD storages is dead. I used to horde on CD solutions in the late 1990s. But never reached over 1000, but I would say I was getting there. Since I regularly purchases 100pks. Though, filesize content back then weren't as bloated compared to today. Images were 5kb to high quality 250kb and not 5mb to 25mb of today on average (of course can be even much bigger).
I'm with Linus. Since I got out of doing video editing, there is almost no reason to keep data locally to my computer. Even when I take pictures on the good camera, I always import directly to my OneDrive folder so it syncs automatically to the cloud. With the exception of a few documents that are also in that folder for immediate back-up, I keep nothing locally. My SSD on my laptop is almost exclusively apps and games.
Lets see the company servers would love to know if LMG itself implements these things and what the actual storage number is for LMG
You know LTT makes a video about every single piece of hardware that comes through the door, right?
@@SiD3WiNDR I know but still a vid putting it all together would be nice
I accidentally formatted my sd card and lost all my holiday photos and i can stop wanting to jump off
I'm on the older side, so all this talk about "Linux ISOs" takes me back to that being a euphemism for pr0n.
Really liking seeing more of Dan lately! Sounds like a fantastic add to the team.
Actually I have a spreadsheet that I’ve been maintaining since like 97 of CDs and DVDs that has achieved maximum lines, in fairness there are a few duplicates but i have also never bothered to try and calculate the amount of data that actually is lol
I'm guessing you're using a very old spreadsheet format? In 2007, excel changed to over 1 million rows. Even 65K is an insane amount though
Was originally lotus because i was like 16 and broke as hell
@@TalesOfWar I stopped backing up to optical years ago and I’ve been migrating it away from for a while now, as time and budget permits. Not gonna lie I used to run a couple of different file servers in the day… ahh carracho and kdx lol
@@TalesOfWar Me too, but I don't have 100,000 CDs in one
I will be the biggest data hoarder if I download and store all the segueways to your sponsors😂😂
10:18 When Dan said "I mean, he probably got so much dopamine saving the day that he's never going to delete any of this." I laughed quite loudly.
It's kinda awesome that we got an update on the status of Davids water cooler reservoir clips at 6:12. Totally busted.
thank god you uploaded this, i almost decided to actually do my job
I loved the "He's not storing Linux ISOs" reference
I like the 1660 for encoding linux isos.
440TB is a lot for an individual. I have... maybe 50TB raw, 39TiB effective (raid overhead, file system, that kind of stuff)? In two big piles.
I never had problem with filling up TiBs upon TiBs with Linux ISOs.
And regular backups of whole drives. It's easier to restore from.
@@Holorum Yeah, I save downloaded images, LAN is faster than internet. Hell, plugging a USB stick directly to the NAS is even faster. :D
I have 5 TB, lol.
I'm so glad to see someone still playing Sega Saturn's guardian heroes! The 6 player arena mode is insane on that game especially if you can get 6 people playing it at once! That low key looks just the game room in our basement with all the consoles and wires.
Imagine you store videos of other people's weddings but then end up not storing a video of your own when the time comes xD
Man, I'd put your LMG staff to shame. I have a 24 bay populated with 16TB gold WD drives. For around 400TB. I'm using 200TB of that right now.
This should've been opened up to also rating community NAS servers too, would've been nice to include them. :)
What is lmg
@@richardlastname12 linus media group
In my school district I am number 3 of most used storage of 70k people. Since google limited free education storage from unlimited to 100tb for the entire district I now need to go from 2.2 tb to 5gb. All the storage is from my sophomore year of HS in the video production program. Funny thing is that the top 20 storage users are in the production class.
Makes sense, why would other non video making students have even more than 500 MB. What resolution do you film at
@@rudysal1429 mostly 4K but at the time since it was unlimited our method was store everything now I have about 1.3 after deleting what is not good footage
We need more of Dan and Jake, this is a great Duo
I was waiting for this video since my whole life 😭👍🔥
The fact I’m building out a Ceph-based cluster that includes a NextCloud instance running on a private Kubernetes cluster, with automatic Tape backup… makes me feel like I belong on this show.