My hands-on review of the Canon EOS R5C vs the original R5! Canon EOS R5C at B&H: bhpho.to/3IjOpFG / WEX UK: tidd.ly/3GKB74q Buy Gordon a coffee: www.paypal.me/cameralabs Gordon's In Camera book: amzn.to/2n61PfI / Amazon uk: amzn.to/2mBqRVZ Cameralabs merchandise: redbubble.com/people/cameralabs/shop Gordon’s retro gear channel: ua-cam.com/users/dinobytes Equipment used for producing my videos Sony A6400: amzn.to/3hul53c Sony e 24mm f1.8: amzn.to/2TqWNzk Rode NT USB mic: amzn.to/3AdHcUp Rode Wireless Go II mic: amzn.to/3xkCvGo Rode Lavalier Go mic: amzn.to/3ygzzKY Godox UL150 light: amzn.to/2VpVbXE Godox QR-P70 softbox: amzn.to/3yQfGdF MacBook Pro 14in (16GB / 1TB): bhpho.to/3HiafJL 00:00 - intro 01:08 - what's new? 03:09 - stabilization 04:41 - internal tweaks 05:32 - screen and viewfinder 05:49 - ports 06:09 - R5C vs R5 overheating comparison 09:13 - R5C fan modes and noise 10:28 - R5C menu options 12:45 - R5C real-life resolution comparison 13:58 - R5C vs R5 resolution comparison 15:19 - R5C vs R5 noise and high ISO comparison 16:11 - R5C dynamic range and RAW 16:41 - R5C vs R5 rolling shutter 17:09 - final verdict Music: www.davidcuttermusic.com / @dcuttermusic As an Amazon Associate I earn from qualifying purchases
Great review as always. But the complaints are already out, mainly no IBIS and Micro HDMI. canon have this knack of always making "almost" perfect cameras. But we'll wait and see if there are lockups/freezes like the R5, R6 and now R3 are experiencing.
@@cameralabs Thank you, I had just one more question. Are the raw files the same as the r5?... I ask because if they aren't CapureOne's going to try to squeeze another 300 outta me lol
Holy cow, a review which actually shows good examples? One that showed the buttons up close and talks about situational use rather than just reading a spec sheet and mimicking every other UA-camr ? You got my sub. Well done.
Another great review. No frills, just the info we all want. For the eagle eyed among us, I would say that the original R5 in 4K HQ mode still looks a hair sharper than the oversampled 4K on the new R5C at 15:07 👀
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Great review Gordon! So, it appears we now have two cameras for two types of hybrid shooters. One is primarily for photographers who sometimes shoot video (R5), and the other is primarily for videographers who sometimes shoot stills (R5C). That segmentation is driven mostly - IMO - by the lack of IBIS. Otherwise, I could have completely replaced my R5 with the R5C.
@@cameralabs Do you think the lack of IBIS will make the 5.2mm VR shake worse when using a gimbal vs a regular R5? That said it has 8K 60FPS raw light which is very good though you can't wire by focus with a standard battery.
@@cameralabs Thanks. I know you the VR with 5.2 needs a gimbal(since VR can't have any shake) but even with the IBIS R5 but wondering if that had some benefit when on a gimbal.
Thanks for the review Gordon! Does the menu system offer control over the fans in Photo mode or only Video? My use case is for long-exposure astrophotography. It would be nice to be able to cool down the camera sensor, esp. during the summer months where thermal noise can be an issue.
Now that's a great idea! The fan doesn't operate in photo mode and there's no menu for them as they assume no-one would want it, but I wonder if it would be beneficial for this application?
@@vaskoobscura_ Depends on the fan, and how it is mounted. Dedicated astronomy cameras all use fans in their peltier cooler designs and are able to avoid vibration problems. But since Canon didn't design the fans for this purpose, it may indeed pose a problem at high focal length. In any case, per Gordon above, the fans don't operate in photo mode.
@@cameralabs hy! is it worth the hzassle for additional 10fps on 8k, of making it even bulkier and hzeavier, or limiting your movement withz a kable that atteces into your sling bag to a battery?
Ugh. Or perhaps, as an R5 owner, I should thank Canon for saving me $4,500. No IBIS is a deal killer for someone like me who loves a minimal, hand-held experience. The electronic stabilization retains micro-jitters as did my original EOS-R... I never used it. As for stills, once I received my R5, I never used the original EOS R again--it's really nice to not worry about motion blur with somewhat lower shutter speeds in the 1/15 and 1/30 range, even 1/60th at times. And I don't buy the overheating excuse as the Lumix S1h is very similar in design (cooling system) and has been reported to never overheat even in the worst of conditions (Dan Watson's channel and others). And then, no mention of Clog2... (firmware update in the future?). But this is a cool design (oops, unintended pun).
No IBIS is ludicrous, blaming it on heat with that giant fan 🤣 my S1 & S5 shoot 5k with zero heat issues. Thought this could have been the canon I've been waiting for since I sold my 5D mkii but nope. :(
@@DreamReleases I shoot majority video, so a robust, video centric camera is what I'd love, I want the canon AF from the R5 (which this also doesn't have) and I want to be able to use my canon lenses. For years I've been wondering why they can't just make a camera that's between the crippled stills cameras with video and the high end cinema cameras, with a price that it's worth it for them to potentially lose out on a handful of sales of cinema cameras. I thought this was finally it, the robust video camera for the run and gun, one man band shooter. How hard is it to make an R5, with ALL the R5 features that won't overheat.... They've added a fan, but removed the better AF and the "heat creating' IBIS... What's the fan doing because realistically this should run cooler than an R5 without it! They're missing out on thousands of sales from 10 a penny shooters like me. Rant Over :D
@@andytrace I think R3 is a great option, I decided to go for the R3 probably, would love a bit smaller form factor but I think it is a better hybrid solution.
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Thanks for the video! the micro HDMI is a reason to dont buy this camera
As always, excellent work Gordon! I've been in search of the 'perfect' hybrid for years now, this Canon R5c might just be it! I was positive my perfect hybrid was a self made myth up until Sony released the A1. I already owned the R5 and C70 at this point keep in mind. I picked up the A1 and FX3, A7S3 with mindset of switching ecosystems due largely to 4k and 8K with no overheating. Admittedly, my own assumptions here were my an expensive lesson. I assumed Sony would play nice with Atomos. It does up to 4k 60p, anything above that, not an option as Sony doesn't output 8K via HDMI like Canon does with the R5. So with my Canon R5 I was able to use my Atomos Ninja V+ to extend all options the R5 offered. With Sony, I was held back to in camera because Sony has yet to unlock the HDMI out (for 8K) for Atomos or other external options. They did the same thing locking down 4k 120p out in the A7S3 and FX3 as well so again, no Atomos Ninja V+ options. It would seem Sony wants to keep things in camera. Nice way of upselling the Sony tough line of CFexpress cards I guess? So now on my gear shelf, I've expanded to include the R3 for other work along side my R5, C70 and R. The Sony Shelf has the A1, FX3, A7S3 but I feel that Sony's days may be numbered with me as I have been reaching time and time again for the Canon equipment purely out of compatibility in most cases. I had a deposit in place for the R5C from about four or five months ago when rumours started swirling about it so come March 15th, I'll have one and hopefully... I can stop overlapping gear. Probably not, but hopefully. lol 👍😂 A couple questions - 1) the R5c's 8K RAW out, that isn't the same ProRES Raw as found in the R5 is it? 2) Do you think the new RF 5.2 dual fisheye lens will work on this camera offering the ability to shoot 8k 60p (when attached externally for power) VR? Again, many thanks for your expertise and testing!
Gordon, I looked into the two questions I asked you and Canon themselves on the official support page for the R5C answer both of these questions. Yes, 8K Raw out via HDMI is ProRES Raw if used with the Atomos Ninja V+ (8K is only compatible with Ninja V+ where as 4K ProRes is with regular Ninja) and yes, the 5.2 Canon VR Lens works with the R5C. 👍🔥
I sold my R5 with the intention to switch over to Sony but now that the R3 is out and the R5C is coming out I might stay with Canon. I just really wanted Canon to step their game up and innovate and not cripple their cameras so much. Sony seems to be doing a really good job at that. I am now looking to get the R3 and a C70 or R3 and R5C.I was looking into getting the FX3 and A7IV. How do you feel about your C70? Being that you have these cameras what would you do?
Removing the IBIS was completely fine and I’m happy to buy the r5c given that the IBIS in the r5 had that terrible wobble effect. Digital stabilisation looks great in these tests. Great video!
Really great review Gordon, especially the chart work highlighting the corner cutting going on in the R5 model. I was wondering are you able/allowed to upload some of the test footage so folks can see how the likes of Canon's RAW Lite and the XAVC codecs handle in post?
No IBIS, No full size HDMI. I guess they will keep it for Canon R1 with a higher price (which is their flagship camera) It’s part of the Canon marketing.
Canon: R5? Me: Wow, amazing! Canon: Overheating, though. Me: Oh. Can you fix it? Canon: R5C? Me: Fantastic, thanks! This should make the camera perf- Canon: No more IBIS, though. Me: Hhhh
If it had NDs, 6K RAW, CLOG-2, better DR than R5 & IBIS you can toggle, I would pay up to $8000 for it. As it sits, no thanks. Canon also needs to work on their RAW post production stuff, RED is way nicer to work with.
Gordon Lanig does among the best reviews on UA-cam in a fair and balanced way, and he has done so for years. This unlike clickbait places which have devolved such as "Tony and Chelsea" who now run in maximum clickbait mode, and Fro, who now aging and still stuck with a Fro, must appeal to showmanship and hype and sniffing equipment, like some camera porn maven. So, in a shitstorm of a world of formerly half-assed UA-cam reviews, now gone fully-assed Mr. Laing continues along in presenting quality information. He is a short form Dustin Abbott, but without the Canadian winter.
thanks for the great review again. I was really waiting on that one to decide between the R5 or R5C, now I made up my mind and gonna order the R5 sadly.. the no ibis is a deal breaker for me as I shoot lots of photos at dusk/dawn and need the extra stab to lower the iso a bit or up the shutter speed etc.. but if I was more video centric it would be a no brainer for this price.. I'm a bit sad about the no ND filter or the rolling shutter still being pretty bad to be honest and I REALLY hope they'll push the eye AF for animals in a firmware update in video mode cos that's really crap.. I do wonder if they'll update the R5 though for vehicule auto focus since they implemented it into the R5C and it's only a software thing anyway..
Unfortunately rolling shutter is a spec thats hard wired into the sensor right at the beginning when design was in progress. No amount of processing power can speed it past the limits.
Disappointed in that it has no IBIS also on how long it takes to switch from video to photo. 8 secs!!! Really!!! The subject has come and gone. They crippled another one boys!!!
Great review, but I think I'll go for the r5 if I'm ready to ditch my 5dmk4 because I only shoot still and for the 2 videos I make a year the c isn't worth it I think.
Thanks! I've been doing this for 16 years on YT and 30 years as a career overall, so I have a reasonable amount of experience! Shame it doesn't translate into subscribers or views.
Circling back, having had the R5C a week now: it's a beast. Loving it. It's the Canon camera that I wanted, ever since I had to move to the Panasonic GH4 for video.
Would the target audience really turn off IBIS? Bearing in mind that on the original R5 this would also turn off lens stabilisation. Quite possibly the real reason is that in order to conduct heat away from the sensor (although not the only component generating heat) it must be thermally, physically connected to a heat sink, which would make IBIS very much more difficult.
Could this in theory solve the wobble issue on wider angles? For example if I use RF 15-35mm 2.8 IS with R5 I will get wobble on wide end due to IBIS and can’t have lens IS on by itself. Whereas with the R5c, there would be no wobble on wide end since you would only be using the IS from the lens?
I think we're both right! I agree the heatsink may have made IBIS difficult or impossible, but also that the target audience do normally film with gimbals or stands. And as Alex commented here, IBIS is great for still photos, but can result in undesirable warping on video especially with wide lenses, so not having it may be seen as a benefit to videographers.
@@alexmainwaring you're right and I meant to mention that as I'm finding IBIS doesn't play well with video and wide lenses. Great for photos, but less so for video.
A lot of video shooters who work on sets don't want the sensor to be moving. It adds a margin of error. Nothing worse than an expensive take that gets ruined by IBIS wobble or jerkiness. Same reason why cameras like the GH5s had IBIS removed. Also same reason why none of the cine cams by major brands have stabilization. Directors and DoPs prefer ultimate levels of control over everything.
Amazing review. I always know I can come to your videos to find an indepth overview of what a new piece of kit can do with no real sources of error, as you always show what you are talking about, so we can also make our own conclusions. Keep this up! :)
@Gordon Laing, Canon Europe also confirms that R5 has DPAF2 over DPAF1 on R5C and C70.. DPAF2 for stills, DPAF1 for video. Are the same between r5 and R5c R5c used the same AF as the R5 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF II) when in video mode and am VERY disappointed to find out that the R5c uses the same AF as the C70 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF with iTR AF X).
Wow! Great review Mr. Lang. The R5C has just become the Godzilla of hybrid cameras. Even with the micro hdmi port, ( freaking CANON!!!! ), the R5C will kick as%, take names, and through competition camera bodies in a ditch.... Unbelievably awesome...As always, Mr. Lang, keep up the good work and keep'em flying. Your fan from the red planet...lol.
It because the cameras sensor can’t handle clog 2. It doesn’t have the dynamic range for it. It’s like Sony putting slog 3 on an a6400, pointless. Just will give you more noise.
No IBIS, 8K 60p with an external power supply?, no internal Prores RAW, prehistoric fans to cool the camera (the tiny Sigma FP beats it to a pulp) , no full HDMI, up to 10 seconds waiting time before filming starts. No, it's not an amazing camera, it's a yesterday camera. Hail Nikon Z9.
I cant help but noticing how many GREAT photography cameras are judged on how well they shoot video. I know video has become so important, just not to me. So many of the cameras released in the last 2 years are outstanding photo cameras but were taking down a notch because of some issue shooting video. I shoot Sony(A9)and smile every time some youtuber whines about no picture profiles for video, I would have been very happy to shoot with a Canon R6 but folks went on about 30 min record limit and an occasional overheat in video. I am happy to see a camera like the R5C because as video resolutions become so high companies will have to make more dedicated video centric cameras and leave us photographers alone, 1 more thing FLIP SCREENS are better than articulating screens with 600mm lenses 🤣, yes I know I am old school and whining but that is my story and I am sticking to it✌
You're right, of course, but the questions for the manufacturers are always the same: How many units can we sell, and how long will the model last? It's a real dilemma in these days of constant updates. For example, the "antique" Panasonic bridge cameras (FZ300, FZ2500), which are now nowhere near state of the art, have suddenly started selling again! How come? I'm not sure anyone knows. But regardless, if you have the cash, this camera will provide excellent results for both stills and video. . . just make sure to insure the damn thing! Finally, I find it hilarious that modern cameras might actually burst in to flames! That's not something anyone even imagined way back in the film days! 😎
The R5 and this r5c are marketed as being great at both, a9 isn't. I wouldn't knock a camera for doing what its supposed to do, and anybody complaining the a9 isn't a video camera needs to read spec sheets better. Since the r5 and r5c are both pushed by Canon as being video cameras, they deserve criticism when they don't deliver or praise when they actually do what's promised.
@@themjian yes wouldn't want to do external recording with any camera, and this one definitely doesn't need it, but I'm thinking more about monitoring options. If you work with a director, they'll want a monitor to see what's being filmed. Of course if you're directing / shooting by yourself then maybe it doesn't matter so much.
All pro video required external monitor unless you are doing run and gun. I just bought an atomos and that micro hdmi port is the worst thing ever. Maybe even worst than the overheating. already broke a cable and weakened the port and 2 days. My Eos R has a mini hdmi port which is 10 time better.
@@WonderBoggle Yes, that's what I mean. This camera has a different target audience, an indie run and gun, go anywhere, anytime, standalone package. The bigger production folks will not use it often, also they probably already have so many other main bodies. The R5c will be there mostly as a substitute, or perhaps occasionally where 8K, 4K 120 or or size needs to be considered. For the target audience, this is truly a winner. Although a full size HDMI would have been "much better", micro would also work just fine.
Thank you for the review Gordon. One question: you don't comment on the rolling shutter tests. They're a bit quick and I'm a(n old) newbie, so I don't really know what to think though my first impression is not good.
Your impression is correct. Both have poor rolling shutter. This is because the high resolution sensor cannot be read out quickly enough. Canon's competition in the video arena tends to fit their cameras with lower resolution sensors that can be read out more quickly, so are more appropriate for video.
Hey Gordon, very nice video, thanks to share it. Out of curiosity: if you use both optical IS and Digital Standard con R5C, do you get better or worse stabilization than Sony A7 IV with both IBIS and optical IS? Thanks
Great review, Gordon. Thank you. I read the R5C has lower bit rates and would require less computing power to process than the R5, possibly less time to process, justifying the higher price to me! Do you agree? Some R5C key formats can be recorded to a SD card rather that CF Exxpress B (8k All-I, Raw 3K) . Bitrates: 8k HEVC= 540 Mbps (vs 1300 on the R5 ) . Would rather spend more on camera gear than on computing power and CFX cards. Thoughts anyone?
Actually lower bit rates may mean smaller files, but with higher compression that can be harder work for a computer to edit. But it can also depend on tge codec. Try to access files made with both cameras to compare on your computer
These companies are keeping important aspects (NO IBIS) left off on purpose for future updated camera bodies. Yet! if Cannon released this camera with IBIS and Full HDMI etc, then they would gain more money from people switching over from other systems. Seems little short sighted to me.
There is not camera manufacture with a cine camera and ibis, also IBIS can cause some problems when cameras are attached to cars or other vibrating objects. Even with IBIS turned off it can happen. On top of that IBIS does produce more heat. No to mention that mostly you are better off with lens is or gimbals etc...
Thank you for this video. The removal of the IBIS really put me on the fence. It was really useful for handheld video specially with vintage lenses. Also I'm wondering if this camera will become obsolete in a year. Other manufactures like Sony have reengineered their internals and added heat sinks to dissipate heat sooooo that begs the question, is the R5c already dated hardware?
Well it is based on the R5 which is over a year and half old, so you could base it on that. But there's still nothing at this price that does 8k, 4k 120 etc
@@wcsdiaries Nah, just watch the video. It has a ton of useful information, and most likely will prevent you from asking more questions the video already answered.
Can you tell us if the AF is akin to the C70 in video mode, or more like the R5? The C70, in my experience, has extremely subpar autofocus performance compared to the Canon R5. Since Canon essentially is running two separate OSes, my concern is that the R5c has C70-level AF performance in video mode, which would be a non-starter for me. Can you tell us if that's the case? I watched your entire video, but perhaps I missed your comment on it. Thanks for your hard work on the review.
I should have done some AF tests, but ran out of time. Anecdotally I found the Af was noticeably slower in movie mode than in photo mode, and slower than the R5 when that cameras is filming video. I could improve it by boosting the response and speed menus, but have a feeling it is slower overall. I'll try and follow-up with a final sample/
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon. I was afraid of that. So unfortunate, because Canon already had a GREAT system with the R5. This is a regression, in some ways, for video. Two steps forward, and two steps backward. Of course, some couldn't care less about AF, so this camera will be perfect for them, but as a one-person shooter 99% of the time, great AF, like on the R5, is a must.
@@9to5Mac I agree, the R5C is for seasoned videographers who'll probably manually focus and sort out their own stabilisation, whereas the R5 is better-suited to smaller productions - like mine!
I'm in the same boat. The R5's AF is fast enough for me to shoot sports (in video mode). I'd be all over this R5c if it performs as well (AF-wise) in video mode as the R5. But if it's a step in the wrong direction, then it would be a waste of money for what I do.
I been shooting motorsports video for the past year with the R5 and was really excited for the the R5c and pre-ordered it yesterday but canceled my pre-order after learning the R5c doesn't have all the same AF features in video 🤷♀️😢
Hi Gordon, thanks for the great overview. I have a question please. Can you use a power bank on the R5C? If so what do you recommend Thanks, Cliff Colreavy
Thank you for your video! I want to switch cameras but one of the most important things that catch my attention is the difference in the color. Do you have the same White Balance and the same settings and you have such different results? The r5 is way better as a color result comparing the r5c. Again thank you so much. I would appreciate any clarification on this.
Another very good review. I have the R5, which I really like, but I don’t care for video, so it suits me well. I think the R5C offers great value if you want both stills and video in one compact camera.
@@philfyphil judging by the footage showing the combination of the digital and lens stabilisation it looked to give good results. And I guess those using video regularly would use a gimbal. Not that I do much video to know mind. To me the way it is a camera that will produce high quality stills and video for the price point is pretty good I think.
I do not understand why Canon called this a professional camera with no stabilization, no ND filters and a mini yes mini hdmi ? I did enjoy your review.
This is a really great review. Thank you for posting. You've become my first port of call for reviews these days. I love the fact that you give clear, unbiased reviews , don't rely on clickbaiting or negativity to get attention. I'm still happy with my R5 ( apart from the mciro HDMI ! ) and the video limitations don't really affect but this seems to me to be a fantastic camera and no doubt will please many.
Not having IBIS is quite shocking, if they really want it to be a hybrid camera. Without IBIS you need an additional R5 just for stills, as IBIS is the main killer feature of mirrorless cameras.
Great review. I don’t understand why Sony has solved overheating much better than Canon. Why say the A74 does so much better than the R6 and the A1 does so much better than the R5. Can’t Canon take apart Sony’s cameras and reverse engineer whatever they’re doing to reduce the heat.
There seems to be a few misses. The battery is a significant issue in video and certainly an external power supply will be required. Also the micro HDMI is a major problem. I'm also not sure why Canon would include so much photo power without including IBIS. The electronic stabilization at 1.1 crop looks pretty poor and the extended electronic stabilization has too much crop. I understand that most video people would not use the IBIS but for photo not having it is disappointing.
@@vitaminb4869 It is very fragile. Just a little pressure on it can break the connector in the camera or on the cable. For most pro videographers this is a huge problem.
@@vitaminb4869 Absolutely not. That same cable protector also comes with the R5 and unfortunately doesn’t offer much protection from damaging the connectors in the camera or cable.
So no full size hdmi, IBIS has been cut but no internal ND's have been added, no animal eye detect in video and most of the best modes require external battery supply? Those are some tough pills to swallow from a video perspective esp considering how impressive the camera is as a whole.
a new camera with a 2 year old sensor ? come on who needs 8 k they were better off using the R3 sensor instead , still down samples from 6k but with better low light, battery consumption efficiency and rolling shutter performance and they should add clog 2. and no they wont canibalize any of there real cinema cameras because its still a stills camera with no internal ND filters and no XLR audio and the battery sucks
Great detailed review with samples. Noticed that the camera shoots only 10 bit still images compared to 14 bit of R5? At least that is what the spec of B&H is telling. Is that true? If it is, no hybrid shooters will buy this camera at all. A massive lose of dynamic range will definitely be visible! Or was that just a mistake from B&H!
When the Canon R5 is losing a battle, it needs to call on the extra power of the Canon gods to increase its power to win the fight. "Form CANON R5C!!!!" 💪😁
Great review. Just never a perfect hybrid. Canon continues to half ass everything under $5,000. Ok in video you don't need IBIS, gimbals are cheap... but in stills handheld, it would have been nice as I have non IS glass still. The digital stabilization only looked tolerable fully cropped, meh. And rolling shutter has never gotten better in many many years. Micro HDMI is just pathetic. The other thing that infuriates me is they won't give you two of the SAME card type for dual recording. Back to the 5Dmk3 I own, fast CF, gimped SD. I rented a real video camera for a wedding last summer, it was SO nice not to have to adapt a DSLR with 4 things attached to a cage to make it work like the camcorder just worked.
That photo to video switch is a No Go - The fact that the camera shuts down & reboot if you want to switch sucks & I doubt users will be pleased. Remains to be seen. Hmm 🤔
Sadly didn't have time in this initial review where I decided to concentrate on image quality and overheating first, especially as the AF may not be fully operational on the beta software. I will follow-up on my next R5C video, but I suspect the AF will not be as quick or featured as video on the R5.
Thanks for another thorough review. The rolling shutter performance is quite poor, especially as compared to some of cheaper competition like the FX3 and A7S III.
Oh gosh the problem is this camera body alone is £4,200 without anything else so if your new to canon your looking at well north of £8,000 when you factor in a horrifyingly expensive fast canon lens say £3k, cf express cards, good ND filters, spare battery oh gosh good Lord!. The Sony FX3 is yes £3,999 but Sony have by magnitude of greatness many many more lenses for E mount then canon do for this and at way way more affordable prices!. Many although subjective, many would argue the image out of Sony is better because of their decades of moving picture/feature film experience!. Too me it’s just absolutely bonkers £8k-£9k for that is just insane in my opinion.
Nope. You left out the AF function in photo/video. Was looking to add this camera but nope. Have the C70 and love it...except when coming from shooting with my R6 and it's amazing AF. The R5C has the same substandard AF as the C70. Nope. Dealbreaker. ua-cam.com/video/ddgQtGDHxxw/v-deo.html
I'm leaving the AF until final firmware as I don't feel it's representative yet. Anecdotally on this test sample, the AF in video mode was not as good as AF on the plain R5 filming video.
No IBIS, 8K 60p with an external power supply?, no internal Prores RAW, prehistoric fans to cool the camera (the tiny Sigma FP beats it to a pulp) , no full HDMI, up to 10 seconds waiting time before filming starts. No, it's not an amazing camera, it's a yesterday camera. Hail Nikon Z9.
i Am Curious If It Will Over Heat In Direct Sun And 100 + Temps Like i Have To Deal With In a Typical California Summer Day Some Time 90 to 100+ For Weeks at a Time I Am Skeptical If My GH5 At 4K 60P Can Do It For Hours And This Camera Can't Even at 4K I Don't Know
It is very interesting to watch your videos regularly . I have both cameras R5 and R5C, I'm missing The R5 4K HQ sharpness quality to watch it right to TV without editing in my new R5C. the question is how can I use my new R5C as I used my R5 in mode 4K HQ (Ufine) right to watch it on tv without editing . I tried my R5C in all tv watchable formats without editing but I couldn't get the same sharpness quality as R5? Please help me .
That must be the difference between the way the video is encoded or processed in the R5 system vs the R5c movie system. That's too deep a dive for me to do, sorry, but Canon may be able to help.
That's a great question and the answer is I don't know but I will try and find out! You can record 8k 50p RAW LT under battery, but you'll need extra juice for 60p.
Clearly the R5C is a camera leading more the video direction with its 10 bit depth on photos instead 14 bit depth on the original R5 on photos. On video both are 12 bit raw, if you 65% video guy this is your camera, if not, I wouldn't get of rid of my 14 bit depth on phoros and IBIS on the original R5 but with the well known overheading. It's hard to decide, but being 65% photographer probably I will keep the original R5 while videos is on second category on my work flow
Does the R5c or R5 have aperture or shutter priority in video mode like the Sony A7siii? I shoot real estate videos and with the Sony I can set my ISO to 12800 and let the aperture and/or the shutter automatically adjust as I walk from room to the next. This is especially helpful when shooting in a house with poor light or with lighting conditions that are drastically different from one room to the next.
I think Canon only offers full auto or full manual, either with auto ISO if desired. It's best to look shutter once you're filming and use ISO to compensate for exposure differences and aperture at a push.
@@cameralabs that is true. I would honestly prefer backup recording and ibis but this does seem like a good studio cam for those with canon lenses. I just wish they kept ibis and allowed dual raw recording onto two CF cards.
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Thanks for the fast hands on! I just wanted to ask, does it have shutter angle?
Great review as always. But the complaints are already out, mainly no IBIS and Micro HDMI. canon have this knack of always making "almost" perfect cameras. But we'll wait and see if there are lockups/freezes like the R5, R6 and now R3 are experiencing.
In video mode, only the first version works, there is no Dual Pixel Autofocus II, this second version only works in photo mode, this is bad)
@@Dean_WeAreTheShow yes it does!
@@cameralabs Thank you, I had just one more question. Are the raw files the same as the r5?... I ask because if they aren't CapureOne's going to try to squeeze another 300 outta me lol
Holy cow, a review which actually shows good examples? One that showed the buttons up close and talks about situational use rather than just reading a spec sheet and mimicking every other UA-camr ? You got my sub. Well done.
Thanks!
Another great review. No frills, just the info we all want. For the eagle eyed among us, I would say that the original R5 in 4K HQ mode still looks a hair sharper than the oversampled 4K on the new R5C at 15:07 👀
I'd agree from that test, but remember it is pre-production. I think in real-life terms you'd be unlikely tell much difference between them.
Canon: We removed IBIS because the target audience won’t use it.
Also Canon: We kept the micro HDMI because the target audience doesn’t expect it.
right. The target audience will use the hdmi port way more than the ibis. I have a gimbal and a ninja v.
@@presise1620 I was prepared to preorder until I found that out. So I didn’t expect it!
Bruh I’m dying over here. I feel like they actually had this conversation. Oh and let’s have it reboot like dog gone duel boot computer 😂
@@RockyMaiviaMiami I broke an hdmi cable after 1 of using it. The hdmi port gives me more anxiety than the overheating and that hard to do. 😂
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Thankyou! Yes, the comparisons take ages, but I think are very important
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Can it record from 8k downsampled 4k in 60p?
All 4k from 24-60 is oversampled and I show it in the video
Great review Gordon! So, it appears we now have two cameras for two types of hybrid shooters. One is primarily for photographers who sometimes shoot video (R5), and the other is primarily for videographers who sometimes shoot stills (R5C). That segmentation is driven mostly - IMO - by the lack of IBIS. Otherwise, I could have completely replaced my R5 with the R5C.
That's pretty much it!
@@cameralabs Do you think the lack of IBIS will make the 5.2mm VR shake worse when using a gimbal vs a regular R5? That said it has 8K 60FPS raw light which is very good though you can't wire by focus with a standard battery.
I had the exact same thought. If the R5c had IBIS I would have flipped my R5 for it.
@@vlcheish I have a feeling you can't - or shouldn't - use IBIS with the 5.2mm anyway, but I'd need to check.
@@cameralabs Thanks. I know you the VR with 5.2 needs a gimbal(since VR can't have any shake) but even with the IBIS R5 but wondering if that had some benefit when on a gimbal.
Thanks for the review Gordon! Does the menu system offer control over the fans in Photo mode or only Video? My use case is for long-exposure astrophotography. It would be nice to be able to cool down the camera sensor, esp. during the summer months where thermal noise can be an issue.
Now that's a great idea! The fan doesn't operate in photo mode and there's no menu for them as they assume no-one would want it, but I wonder if it would be beneficial for this application?
If you're doing a long exposure in photo mode why would you want a fan adding vibration to your camera?
@@vaskoobscura_ Depends on the fan, and how it is mounted. Dedicated astronomy cameras all use fans in their peltier cooler designs and are able to avoid vibration problems. But since Canon didn't design the fans for this purpose, it may indeed pose a problem at high focal length. In any case, per Gordon above, the fans don't operate in photo mode.
@@cameralabs hy! is it worth the hzassle for additional 10fps on 8k, of making it even bulkier and hzeavier, or limiting your movement withz a kable that atteces into your sling bag to a battery?
@@k.o.t.o.n. it's your call. I live in a PAL region so work in 25 and 50p anyway, so I get to shoot RAW on the R5C without external power!
Ugh. Or perhaps, as an R5 owner, I should thank Canon for saving me $4,500. No IBIS is a deal killer for someone like me who loves a minimal, hand-held experience. The electronic stabilization retains micro-jitters as did my original EOS-R... I never used it. As for stills, once I received my R5, I never used the original EOS R again--it's really nice to not worry about motion blur with somewhat lower shutter speeds in the 1/15 and 1/30 range, even 1/60th at times. And I don't buy the overheating excuse as the Lumix S1h is very similar in design (cooling system) and has been reported to never overheat even in the worst of conditions (Dan Watson's channel and others). And then, no mention of Clog2... (firmware update in the future?). But this is a cool design (oops, unintended pun).
No IBIS is ludicrous, blaming it on heat with that giant fan 🤣 my S1 & S5 shoot 5k with zero heat issues. Thought this could have been the canon I've been waiting for since I sold my 5D mkii but nope. :(
@@andytrace Stick with still cameras with video options. Those are for you. This is a camera in the cinema line which obviously isnt you.
@@DreamReleases I shoot majority video, so a robust, video centric camera is what I'd love, I want the canon AF from the R5 (which this also doesn't have) and I want to be able to use my canon lenses. For years I've been wondering why they can't just make a camera that's between the crippled stills cameras with video and the high end cinema cameras, with a price that it's worth it for them to potentially lose out on a handful of sales of cinema cameras. I thought this was finally it, the robust video camera for the run and gun, one man band shooter. How hard is it to make an R5, with ALL the R5 features that won't overheat.... They've added a fan, but removed the better AF and the "heat creating' IBIS... What's the fan doing because realistically this should run cooler than an R5 without it! They're missing out on thousands of sales from 10 a penny shooters like me. Rant Over :D
@@andytrace I think R3 is a great option, I decided to go for the R3 probably, would love a bit smaller form factor but I think it is a better hybrid solution.
Thanks for the video! the micro HDMI is a reason to dont buy this camera
What an ugly camera. Is it any better than r5 modified by DIY perks?
As always, excellent work Gordon! I've been in search of the 'perfect' hybrid for years now, this Canon R5c might just be it! I was positive my perfect hybrid was a self made myth up until Sony released the A1. I already owned the R5 and C70 at this point keep in mind. I picked up the A1 and FX3, A7S3 with mindset of switching ecosystems due largely to 4k and 8K with no overheating. Admittedly, my own assumptions here were my an expensive lesson. I assumed Sony would play nice with Atomos. It does up to 4k 60p, anything above that, not an option as Sony doesn't output 8K via HDMI like Canon does with the R5.
So with my Canon R5 I was able to use my Atomos Ninja V+ to extend all options the R5 offered. With Sony, I was held back to in camera because Sony has yet to unlock the HDMI out (for 8K) for Atomos or other external options. They did the same thing locking down 4k 120p out in the A7S3 and FX3 as well so again, no Atomos Ninja V+ options. It would seem Sony wants to keep things in camera. Nice way of upselling the Sony tough line of CFexpress cards I guess?
So now on my gear shelf, I've expanded to include the R3 for other work along side my R5, C70 and R. The Sony Shelf has the A1, FX3, A7S3 but I feel that Sony's days may be numbered with me as I have been reaching time and time again for the Canon equipment purely out of compatibility in most cases. I had a deposit in place for the R5C from about four or five months ago when rumours started swirling about it so come March 15th, I'll have one and hopefully... I can stop overlapping gear. Probably not, but hopefully. lol 👍😂
A couple questions - 1) the R5c's 8K RAW out, that isn't the same ProRES Raw as found in the R5 is it? 2) Do you think the new RF 5.2 dual fisheye lens will work on this camera offering the ability to shoot 8k 60p (when attached externally for power) VR?
Again, many thanks for your expertise and testing!
Gordon, I looked into the two questions I asked you and Canon themselves on the official support page for the R5C answer both of these questions. Yes, 8K Raw out via HDMI is ProRES Raw if used with the Atomos Ninja V+ (8K is only compatible with Ninja V+ where as 4K ProRes is with regular Ninja) and yes, the 5.2 Canon VR Lens works with the R5C. 👍🔥
@james lmk if you sell the A7S3!
I sold my R5 with the intention to switch over to Sony but now that the R3 is out and the R5C is coming out I might stay with Canon. I just really wanted Canon to step their game up and innovate and not cripple their cameras so much. Sony seems to be doing a really good job at that. I am now looking to get the R3 and a C70 or R3 and R5C.I was looking into getting the FX3 and A7IV. How do you feel about your C70? Being that you have these cameras what would you do?
Removing the IBIS was completely fine and I’m happy to buy the r5c given that the IBIS in the r5 had that terrible wobble effect. Digital stabilisation looks great in these tests. Great video!
Really great review Gordon, especially the chart work highlighting the corner cutting going on in the R5 model. I was wondering are you able/allowed to upload some of the test footage so folks can see how the likes of Canon's RAW Lite and the XAVC codecs handle in post?
Not yet as it was a pre-production sample.
No IBIS, No full size HDMI. I guess they will keep it for Canon R1 with a higher price (which is their flagship camera)
It’s part of the Canon marketing.
It's easy to see how they are concentrating / targetting the YT/SM vlog market .
Take a trek to Mach loop and film the Jets as they fly through ..
Canon: R5?
Me: Wow, amazing!
Canon: Overheating, though.
Me: Oh. Can you fix it?
Canon: R5C?
Me: Fantastic, thanks! This should make the camera perf-
Canon: No more IBIS, though.
Me: Hhhh
My feeling exactly.
If it had NDs, 6K RAW, CLOG-2, better DR than R5 & IBIS you can toggle, I would pay up to $8000 for it. As it sits, no thanks. Canon also needs to work on their RAW post production stuff, RED is way nicer to work with.
Gordon Lanig does among the best reviews on UA-cam in a fair and balanced way, and he has done so for years. This unlike clickbait places which have devolved such as "Tony and Chelsea" who now run in maximum clickbait mode, and Fro, who now aging and still stuck with a Fro, must appeal to showmanship and hype and sniffing equipment, like some camera porn maven. So, in a shitstorm of a world of formerly half-assed UA-cam reviews, now gone fully-assed Mr. Laing continues along in presenting quality information. He is a short form Dustin Abbott, but without the Canadian winter.
Thanks John, I'm proud to be fully-assed!
Funny that. Your description exactly describes my opinion of said channels :)
thanks for the great review again. I was really waiting on that one to decide between the R5 or R5C, now I made up my mind and gonna order the R5 sadly.. the no ibis is a deal breaker for me as I shoot lots of photos at dusk/dawn and need the extra stab to lower the iso a bit or up the shutter speed etc.. but if I was more video centric it would be a no brainer for this price.. I'm a bit sad about the no ND filter or the rolling shutter still being pretty bad to be honest and I REALLY hope they'll push the eye AF for animals in a firmware update in video mode cos that's really crap..
I do wonder if they'll update the R5 though for vehicule auto focus since they implemented it into the R5C and it's only a software thing anyway..
for stills shooter the R5 is top 3 best cameras in the world. The bulkiness of the R5c will annoy you.
Unfortunately rolling shutter is a spec thats hard wired into the sensor right at the beginning when design was in progress. No amount of processing power can speed it past the limits.
yeah, I understand why IBIS was removed for videographers BUT it is highly beneficial for stills.
Very good tests. Thankyou... I'm pretty convinced by this camera...
Gordon: like I always say, you are the best balanced reviewer.
Thankyou!
Disappointed in that it has no IBIS also on how long it takes to switch from video to photo. 8 secs!!! Really!!! The subject has come and gone. They crippled another one boys!!!
Great review, but I think I'll go for the r5 if I'm ready to ditch my 5dmk4 because I only shoot still and for the 2 videos I make a year the c isn't worth it I think.
Gordon Laing is legit expertise and years of experience in camera tech. There's so many pretenders in YT. You found a genuine channel here.
Thanks! I've been doing this for 16 years on YT and 30 years as a career overall, so I have a reasonable amount of experience! Shame it doesn't translate into subscribers or views.
Circling back, having had the R5C a week now: it's a beast. Loving it. It's the Canon camera that I wanted, ever since I had to move to the Panasonic GH4 for video.
Excellent review and an interesting addition/upgrade (?) to the product line, It does seem to be pitched at an aggressive price point too.
Yes, coming in under the Alpha 1 was a good move...
Would the target audience really turn off IBIS? Bearing in mind that on the original R5 this would also turn off lens stabilisation. Quite possibly the real reason is that in order to conduct heat away from the sensor (although not the only component generating heat) it must be thermally, physically connected to a heat sink, which would make IBIS very much more difficult.
Could this in theory solve the wobble issue on wider angles? For example if I use RF 15-35mm 2.8 IS with R5 I will get wobble on wide end due to IBIS and can’t have lens IS on by itself. Whereas with the R5c, there would be no wobble on wide end since you would only be using the IS from the lens?
I think we're both right! I agree the heatsink may have made IBIS difficult or impossible, but also that the target audience do normally film with gimbals or stands. And as Alex commented here, IBIS is great for still photos, but can result in undesirable warping on video especially with wide lenses, so not having it may be seen as a benefit to videographers.
@@alexmainwaring you're right and I meant to mention that as I'm finding IBIS doesn't play well with video and wide lenses. Great for photos, but less so for video.
@@cameralabs thanks for the awesome review. Really exciting camera (and very unlike Canon imo)!
A lot of video shooters who work on sets don't want the sensor to be moving. It adds a margin of error. Nothing worse than an expensive take that gets ruined by IBIS wobble or jerkiness. Same reason why cameras like the GH5s had IBIS removed. Also same reason why none of the cine cams by major brands have stabilization. Directors and DoPs prefer ultimate levels of control over everything.
Amazing review. I always know I can come to your videos to find an indepth overview of what a new piece of kit can do with no real sources of error, as you always show what you are talking about, so we can also make our own conclusions. Keep this up! :)
You're welcome, it was a LOT of work!
@Gordon Laing, Canon Europe also confirms that R5 has DPAF2 over DPAF1 on R5C and C70.. DPAF2 for stills, DPAF1 for video. Are the same between r5 and R5c R5c used the same AF as the R5 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF II) when in video mode and am VERY disappointed to find out that the R5c uses the same AF as the C70 (Dual Pixel CMOS AF with iTR AF X).
that makes sense judging from my casual AF tests so far. I'll delve into this more with a final model.
Wow! Great review Mr. Lang. The R5C has just become the Godzilla of hybrid cameras. Even with the micro hdmi port, ( freaking CANON!!!! ), the R5C will kick as%, take names, and through competition camera bodies in a ditch....
Unbelievably awesome...As always, Mr. Lang, keep up the good work and keep'em flying. Your fan from the red planet...lol.
Throw, not through....DOH!
Voice recognition software sux.
Disappointing that a camera from the cinema line doesn't have c-log 2. Really Canon?
Yeah, not sure about that one,.
It because the cameras sensor can’t handle clog 2. It doesn’t have the dynamic range for it. It’s like Sony putting slog 3 on an a6400, pointless. Just will give you more noise.
Great review Gordon. Thank you.
They removed IBIS and didn’t upgrade the hdmi port… How is it that Canon always has a way of disappointing us?
They tried to keep price bit fair
Lol always someone who complains
I'd rather have xlr, hdmi inputs over 8k.
No IBIS, 8K 60p with an external power supply?, no internal Prores RAW, prehistoric fans to cool the camera (the tiny Sigma FP beats it to a pulp) , no full HDMI, up to 10 seconds waiting time before filming starts. No, it's not an amazing camera, it's a yesterday camera. Hail Nikon Z9.
I cant help but noticing how many GREAT photography cameras are judged on how well they shoot video. I know video has become so important, just not to me. So many of the cameras released in the last 2 years are outstanding photo cameras but were taking down a notch because of some issue shooting video. I shoot Sony(A9)and smile every time some youtuber whines about no picture profiles for video, I would have been very happy to shoot with a Canon R6 but folks went on about 30 min record limit and an occasional overheat in video. I am happy to see a camera like the R5C because as video resolutions become so high companies will have to make more dedicated video centric cameras and leave us photographers alone, 1 more thing FLIP SCREENS are better than articulating screens with 600mm lenses 🤣, yes I know I am old school and whining but that is my story and I am sticking to it✌
You're right, of course, but the questions for the manufacturers are always the same: How many units can we sell, and how long will the model last? It's a real dilemma in these days of constant updates. For example, the "antique" Panasonic bridge cameras (FZ300, FZ2500), which are now nowhere near state of the art, have suddenly started selling again! How come? I'm not sure anyone knows. But regardless, if you have the cash, this camera will provide excellent results for both stills and video. . . just make sure to insure the damn thing! Finally, I find it hilarious that modern cameras might actually burst in to flames! That's not something anyone even imagined way back in the film days! 😎
sure, but this one is a video-first camera, so that's why the tests are video focused.
The R5 and this r5c are marketed as being great at both, a9 isn't. I wouldn't knock a camera for doing what its supposed to do, and anybody complaining the a9 isn't a video camera needs to read spec sheets better.
Since the r5 and r5c are both pushed by Canon as being video cameras, they deserve criticism when they don't deliver or praise when they actually do what's promised.
@@cameralabs great review as always Gordon
Excellent Gordon as usual , thank you .👍
so... now with 1.6 on the r5 - how would you compare the two?
ah the wobbly micro-HDMI connector makes a comeback. wobble wobble wobble break!
Isn't it boring to talk about that, when everything could be done internally and the other accessories won't require HDMI port?
@@themjian it’s all about external monitoring- other than mountain climbing vloggers, who shoots video professionally without an external monitor??
@@themjian yes wouldn't want to do external recording with any camera, and this one definitely doesn't need it, but I'm thinking more about monitoring options. If you work with a director, they'll want a monitor to see what's being filmed. Of course if you're directing / shooting by yourself then maybe it doesn't matter so much.
All pro video required external monitor unless you are doing run and gun. I just bought an atomos and that micro hdmi port is the worst thing ever. Maybe even worst than the overheating. already broke a cable and weakened the port and 2 days. My Eos R has a mini hdmi port which is 10 time better.
@@WonderBoggle Yes, that's what I mean. This camera has a different target audience, an indie run and gun, go anywhere, anytime, standalone package. The bigger production folks will not use it often, also they probably already have so many other main bodies. The R5c will be there mostly as a substitute, or perhaps occasionally where 8K, 4K 120 or or size needs to be considered. For the target audience, this is truly a winner. Although a full size HDMI would have been "much better", micro would also work just fine.
Thank you for the review Gordon. One question: you don't comment on the rolling shutter tests. They're a bit quick and I'm a(n old) newbie, so I don't really know what to think though my first impression is not good.
No problem! I showed them to illustrate that it's no different from the R5, so you have to be careful!
Your impression is correct. Both have poor rolling shutter. This is because the high resolution sensor cannot be read out quickly enough. Canon's competition in the video arena tends to fit their cameras with lower resolution sensors that can be read out more quickly, so are more appropriate for video.
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Hey Gordon, very nice video, thanks to share it. Out of curiosity: if you use both optical IS and Digital Standard con R5C, do you get better or worse stabilization than Sony A7 IV with both IBIS and optical IS? Thanks
Impossible to tell without having them side by side under the same conditions.
Great review, Gordon. Thank you. I read the R5C has lower bit rates and would require less computing power to process than the R5, possibly less time to process, justifying the higher price to me! Do you agree? Some R5C key formats can be recorded to a SD card rather that CF Exxpress B (8k All-I, Raw 3K) . Bitrates: 8k HEVC= 540 Mbps (vs 1300 on the R5 ) . Would rather spend more on camera gear than on computing power and CFX cards. Thoughts anyone?
Actually lower bit rates may mean smaller files, but with higher compression that can be harder work for a computer to edit. But it can also depend on tge codec. Try to access files made with both cameras to compare on your computer
Good point you make about compression, Gordon. The only way to know is to try them both as you say. Will report if I can test. Cheers. @@cameralabs
These companies are keeping important aspects (NO IBIS) left off on purpose for future updated camera bodies. Yet! if Cannon released this camera with IBIS and Full HDMI etc, then they would gain more money from people switching over from other systems. Seems little short sighted to me.
There is not camera manufacture with a cine camera and ibis, also IBIS can cause some problems when cameras are attached to cars or other vibrating objects. Even with IBIS turned off it can happen. On top of that IBIS does produce more heat. No to mention that mostly you are better off with lens is or gimbals etc...
@@NicolaiDeutschCompletely agree with what you are saying but doesnt help with a run and gun scenario so much.
@@Suroky232 I am curious to see the RF Lens in combo with the digital IS. Might even be better for run and gun then IBIS.
Hope to test this soon
Thank you for this video. The removal of the IBIS really put me on the fence. It was really useful for handheld video specially with vintage lenses. Also I'm wondering if this camera will become obsolete in a year. Other manufactures like Sony have reengineered their internals and added heat sinks to dissipate heat sooooo that begs the question, is the R5c already dated hardware?
Well it is based on the R5 which is over a year and half old, so you could base it on that. But there's still nothing at this price that does 8k, 4k 120 etc
@@cameralabs hows the battery life on this thing? Many fear the fan and 8k will kill battery life
@@wcsdiaries watch the video. It answers that question.
@@vitaminb4869 or just tell me?
@@wcsdiaries Nah, just watch the video. It has a ton of useful information, and most likely will prevent you from asking more questions the video already answered.
Great job as always Gordon. Is the 4K 120 slo-mo still line-skipped or has the quality improved from the R5?
I did test 4k 120, but my results looked a bit worse than expected so I took them out until I get a final production.
@@cameralabs A Canon rep on B&H's channel confirmed it's line-skipped so same as R5
@@scottw6960 yes, I'd expect it to be similar to or same as the R5 in this regard.
Can you tell us if the AF is akin to the C70 in video mode, or more like the R5? The C70, in my experience, has extremely subpar autofocus performance compared to the Canon R5. Since Canon essentially is running two separate OSes, my concern is that the R5c has C70-level AF performance in video mode, which would be a non-starter for me. Can you tell us if that's the case? I watched your entire video, but perhaps I missed your comment on it. Thanks for your hard work on the review.
I should have done some AF tests, but ran out of time. Anecdotally I found the Af was noticeably slower in movie mode than in photo mode, and slower than the R5 when that cameras is filming video. I could improve it by boosting the response and speed menus, but have a feeling it is slower overall. I'll try and follow-up with a final sample/
@@cameralabs Thanks Gordon. I was afraid of that. So unfortunate, because Canon already had a GREAT system with the R5. This is a regression, in some ways, for video. Two steps forward, and two steps backward. Of course, some couldn't care less about AF, so this camera will be perfect for them, but as a one-person shooter 99% of the time, great AF, like on the R5, is a must.
@@9to5Mac I agree, the R5C is for seasoned videographers who'll probably manually focus and sort out their own stabilisation, whereas the R5 is better-suited to smaller productions - like mine!
I'm in the same boat. The R5's AF is fast enough for me to shoot sports (in video mode). I'd be all over this R5c if it performs as well (AF-wise) in video mode as the R5. But if it's a step in the wrong direction, then it would be a waste of money for what I do.
I been shooting motorsports video for the past year with the R5 and was really excited for the the R5c and pre-ordered it yesterday but canceled my pre-order after learning the R5c doesn't have all the same AF features in video 🤷♀️😢
Hi Gordon, thanks for the great overview. I have a question please. Can you use a power bank on the R5C? If so what do you recommend Thanks, Cliff Colreavy
If it officially supports power delivery, you should be ok. I've only tried AC USB Power sources with it
Thank you for your video!
I want to switch cameras but one of the most important things that catch my attention is the difference in the color.
Do you have the same White Balance and the same settings and you have such different results?
The r5 is way better as a color result comparing the r5c.
Again thank you so much. I would appreciate any clarification on this.
As I recall, they had the same WB settings. Note when the R5c is filming video, it's using a different cinema OS
time to make these cameras accept a SSD directly.... and divorce out the SD cards
That's definitely a good feature - some do have that.
Another very good review. I have the R5, which I really like, but I don’t care for video, so it suits me well. I think the R5C offers great value if you want both stills and video in one compact camera.
I’m disappointed at the lack of IBIS though
@@philfyphil judging by the footage showing the combination of the digital and lens stabilisation it looked to give good results. And I guess those using video regularly would use a gimbal. Not that I do much video to know mind. To me the way it is a camera that will produce high quality stills and video for the price point is pretty good I think.
I do not understand why Canon called this a professional camera with no stabilization, no ND filters and a mini yes mini hdmi ?
I did enjoy your review.
Well what about the AF?
Some people are saying it is the dumbed down Dual pixel 1 AF in video. And only has the better AF in still mode?
Comments?
I'm waiting for final firmware before fully testing the AF but yes it anecdotally felt slower and less featured than the R5 in video for AF.
@@cameralabs thanks for the replay. 👍
Nice!
Do you have a r5 in general for this comparison or did canon send you one?
I borrowed one for the comparisons.
Nicely done, but aren't cats the requisite subject for rolling shutter? [Phillip Bloom joke.]
what are the 4k oversampled from? 8k?
Not sure yet
This is a really great review. Thank you for posting. You've become my first port of call for reviews these days. I love the fact that you give clear, unbiased reviews , don't rely on clickbaiting or negativity to get attention.
I'm still happy with my R5 ( apart from the mciro HDMI ! ) and the video limitations don't really affect but this seems to me to be a fantastic camera and no doubt will please many.
Thanks, I prefer a calm approach although it does draw fewer viewers than the clickbaity videos.
Wow! Wow Wow!! Shut up and finally take my money...will it sit on a Ronin Gimbal? Only down-side is the ND Filters
I can’t see why it won’t be able to sit on an RS2 or even an RSC2, let alone their predecessors
your lovely review made my decision intact to buy r5c
Glad to help!
sony cooler fan is better in fx3
When you see Gordon, you know there will be some serious review and comments based on facts
That's what I try to deliver!
Not having IBIS is quite shocking, if they really want it to be a hybrid camera. Without IBIS you need an additional R5 just for stills, as IBIS is the main killer feature of mirrorless cameras.
It is a real downside if you intend to use it for stills with unstabilised lenses.
Great review. I don’t understand why Sony has solved overheating much better than Canon. Why say the A74 does so much better than the R6 and the A1 does so much better than the R5. Can’t Canon take apart Sony’s cameras and reverse engineer whatever they’re doing to reduce the heat.
I think it's more that Sony gives you the chance to set the heat warning much higher than Canon who are very heat-averse.
@@cameralabs Are you saying Sony’s heat threshold are user setable ?
@@tennissir1986 yes, theres two settings
@@cameralabs Thanks.
Hello Gordon,
is the optical IS and digital mode also active in photo mode? or only in video mode. Many Thanks
Digital IS is only for video
@@cameralabs Thank you for your quick response
They gave it to the right one. And not those other two 😏.
There seems to be a few misses. The battery is a significant issue in video and certainly an external power supply will be required. Also the micro HDMI is a major problem. I'm also not sure why Canon would include so much photo power without including IBIS. The electronic stabilization at 1.1 crop looks pretty poor and the extended electronic stabilization has too much crop. I understand that most video people would not use the IBIS but for photo not having it is disappointing.
Why is micro HDMI a major problem?
@@vitaminb4869 It is very fragile. Just a little pressure on it can break the connector in the camera or on the cable. For most pro videographers this is a huge problem.
@@mrmdpgh the R5C comes with a cable protector, so this should solve that issue.
@@vitaminb4869 Absolutely not. That same cable protector also comes with the R5 and unfortunately doesn’t offer much protection from damaging the connectors in the camera or cable.
My question is what advantages does the R5c have over an R5 with an Atomos V?
I hope to go into more detail about this in a future video.
So no full size hdmi, IBIS has been cut but no internal ND's have been added, no animal eye detect in video and most of the best modes require external battery supply? Those are some tough pills to swallow from a video perspective esp considering how impressive the camera is as a whole.
a new camera with a 2 year old sensor ? come on who needs 8 k
they were better off using the R3 sensor instead , still down samples from 6k but with better low light, battery consumption efficiency and rolling shutter performance
and they should add clog 2.
and no they wont canibalize any of there real cinema cameras because its still a stills camera with no internal ND filters and no XLR audio and the battery sucks
time to say good bye to my R5
very hardworking! great review
Great detailed review with samples.
Noticed that the camera shoots only 10 bit still images compared to 14 bit of R5? At least that is what the spec of B&H is telling. Is that true? If it is, no hybrid shooters will buy this camera at all. A massive lose of dynamic range will definitely be visible! Or was that just a mistake from B&H!
I suspect it was a mistake. But we can confirm when final models arrive.
15:03 - r5 4khq is sharper than r5c 4k25? is the r5c really oversampling from full width?
I noticed that also. If the R5c really has better regular 4k, 4k60 and 4k120 that would be the major selling point for me.
Still the damn micro hdmi~~
hahahahahahaha
so ridiculous!!!!!!!!come on caNOn
When the Canon R5 is losing a battle, it needs to call on the extra power of the Canon gods to increase its power to win the fight. "Form CANON R5C!!!!" 💪😁
Hi Gordon! Can video mode have custom modes like the 3 the R5 has? These cinema cameras are usually soo slow at changing multiple settings
Good question, but not sure yet, sorry.
Thank You. Does it have atufocus on 4k 120 fps?
Yes
Great review. Just never a perfect hybrid. Canon continues to half ass everything under $5,000. Ok in video you don't need IBIS, gimbals are cheap... but in stills handheld, it would have been nice as I have non IS glass still. The digital stabilization only looked tolerable fully cropped, meh. And rolling shutter has never gotten better in many many years. Micro HDMI is just pathetic. The other thing that infuriates me is they won't give you two of the SAME card type for dual recording. Back to the 5Dmk3 I own, fast CF, gimped SD. I rented a real video camera for a wedding last summer, it was SO nice not to have to adapt a DSLR with 4 things attached to a cage to make it work like the camcorder just worked.
That photo to video switch is a No Go - The fact that the camera shuts down & reboot if you want to switch sucks & I doubt users will be pleased. Remains to be seen. Hmm 🤔
There's definitely pros and cons to this approach.
Great review for me. The rolling shutter of both camera is pretty bad...
No AF review? I heard the AF in video mode is very bad
Sadly didn't have time in this initial review where I decided to concentrate on image quality and overheating first, especially as the AF may not be fully operational on the beta software. I will follow-up on my next R5C video, but I suspect the AF will not be as quick or featured as video on the R5.
@@cameralabs thank you
Great detailed review as usual Gordon. How is the autofocus with video? Similar to the R5?
No, sadly not, it appears to be slower and less featured. I want to test this properly in a follow-up video.
@@cameralabs Oh wow. May be the biggest drawback of all. Standing by for your tests. Thanks for the quick response.
Thanks for another thorough review. The rolling shutter performance is quite poor, especially as compared to some of cheaper competition like the FX3 and A7S III.
Yep, same as R5.
This camera is far better than the Sony A1 and it's $1500 cheaper
Hallo gordon, I have questions regarding battery life of r5c. Can you please tell me 1080p battery life. Thank you
Sorry, I only tested the battery for 4k
@@cameralabs thank you so much for your reply.
Oh gosh the problem is this camera body alone is £4,200 without anything else so if your new to canon your looking at well north of £8,000 when you factor in a horrifyingly expensive fast canon lens say £3k, cf express cards, good ND filters, spare battery oh gosh good Lord!. The Sony FX3 is yes £3,999 but Sony have by magnitude of greatness many many more lenses for E mount then canon do for this and at way way more affordable prices!. Many although subjective, many would argue the image out of Sony is better because of their decades of moving picture/feature film experience!. Too me it’s just absolutely bonkers £8k-£9k for that is just insane in my opinion.
Still got no money to buy R mirrorless series :(
Nope. You left out the AF function in photo/video. Was looking to add this camera but nope. Have the C70 and love it...except when coming from shooting with my R6 and it's amazing AF. The R5C has the same substandard AF as the C70. Nope. Dealbreaker. ua-cam.com/video/ddgQtGDHxxw/v-deo.html
I'm leaving the AF until final firmware as I don't feel it's representative yet. Anecdotally on this test sample, the AF in video mode was not as good as AF on the plain R5 filming video.
No IBIS, 8K 60p with an external power supply?, no internal Prores RAW, prehistoric fans to cool the camera (the tiny Sigma FP beats it to a pulp) , no full HDMI, up to 10 seconds waiting time before filming starts. No, it's not an amazing camera, it's a yesterday camera. Hail Nikon Z9.
@@Yupthereitism Good move.
i Am Curious If It Will Over Heat In Direct Sun And 100 + Temps Like i Have To Deal With In a Typical California Summer Day Some Time 90 to 100+ For Weeks at a Time I Am Skeptical If My GH5 At 4K 60P Can Do It For Hours And This Camera Can't Even at 4K I Don't Know
I'm curious too. I live in a cooler climate so we'll have to wait for people in warmer places to test it.
Wow I didn't know it had true 24.00 fps. Most consumer cameras only have 23.976
Yep, it has both
It is very interesting to watch
your videos regularly . I have both cameras
R5 and R5C, I'm missing The R5 4K HQ sharpness quality to watch it right to TV without editing in my new R5C. the
question is how can I use my new R5C as I used my R5 in mode 4K HQ
(Ufine) right to watch it on tv without editing . I
tried my R5C in all tv watchable formats without editing but I couldn't get the same sharpness quality as R5? Please help me .
That must be the difference between the way the video is encoded or processed in the R5 system vs the R5c movie system. That's too deep a dive for me to do, sorry, but Canon may be able to help.
Amazing video! If you have the battery grip with two batteries installed does that allow you to record 8k 60p without any limitations?
good question!
That's a great question and the answer is I don't know but I will try and find out! You can record 8k 50p RAW LT under battery, but you'll need extra juice for 60p.
No. Canon said you need dedicated power through their power pack thing or a PD power bank. Anker makes one
@@cameralabs with 8k50fps does just normal battery power Allow you to shoot 8k50fps and still provide power for autofocus and lense electronics
Thanks
Clearly the R5C is a camera leading more the video direction with its 10 bit depth on photos instead 14 bit depth on the original R5 on photos. On video both are 12 bit raw, if you 65% video guy this is your camera, if not, I wouldn't get of rid of my 14 bit depth on phoros and IBIS on the original R5 but with the well known overheading. It's hard to decide, but being 65% photographer probably I will keep the original R5 while videos is on second category on my work flow
Do we know for sure the DR is less for photos on this model?
As always a solid review! I’m testing the r5C this week and will record my thoughts. All the best.
It's shame to it doesn't have option of open gate 8k for anamorphic shooter.
Does the R5c or R5 have aperture or shutter priority in video mode like the Sony A7siii? I shoot real estate videos and with the Sony I can set my ISO to 12800 and let the aperture and/or the shutter automatically adjust as I walk from room to the next. This is especially helpful when shooting in a house with poor light or with lighting conditions that are drastically different from one room to the next.
I think Canon only offers full auto or full manual, either with auto ISO if desired. It's best to look shutter once you're filming and use ISO to compensate for exposure differences and aperture at a push.
A great video again!
Due to me primarily shooting stills the R5 remains my camera to go.
Fine choice!
This Canon R5C reminds me of the S1H but without the IBIS and losing some lens control in the higher recording modes
It has better AF than the S1H and 8k and internal RAW.
@@cameralabs that is true. I would honestly prefer backup recording and ibis but this does seem like a good studio cam for those with canon lenses. I just wish they kept ibis and allowed dual raw recording onto two CF cards.