A man posted a comment yesterday....that started out something like, "David you are a nice man, the Church needs more like you....and then he went on to speak of what a zealous Saint he was...till he lost his faith due to a list of "Facts" about a number of secondary issues...and said he can't come back until those "facts" are refuted somehow. I was quite taken with his list of things...stuff like the polygamy, of course...but also stuff like Joseph Smith applying for Copyright on the Book of Mormon, listing himself as the author, etc. I was trying to cut and paste his comment to SAVE it...and accidentally deleted it instead somehow. I would really like to respond to this gentleman....If you are OUT THERE, please resend your comment or recreate it and send it to me at davidmalvinalexander@gmail.com I would really like to give you an honest answer to the list of things you posted. Much love, David
Thank you David for your clarity and directness. In my work I frequently deal with people with gentle and loving hearts who are so naive it makes my eyes bleed! They haven’t encountered deception, venality, or corruption so cannot conceive that it exists…but their world view makes them a prime target for predators, or people with a hidden agenda. I agree with you David, - Pastor Jeff has moved to Utah for three reasons - to build his brand, make himself a pile of money and make a name for himself by de converting saints. I name him Nehor and say to everyone …no good will come of exposing yourself to his material. David you are a treasure. If I want to know about evangelical Christianity…I’ll ask YOU.
As for me, as I listened to this video and felt the nagging in my spirit as I have listened to Pastor Jeff in the past, my first thought was to recall the experience of Joseph Smith. “Which of all the sects was right” Christ Himself answered: 19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.” I must base the words of the Lord, Himself, as I have studied the gospel and had the confirmation of the Holy Ghost in Priesthood authority, in the scriptures, in the temple, in my testimony of Jesus. There is no one better to receive from than a true and living Prophet representing Christ with the confidence of the gift of the Holy Ghost. I stand all amazed. Christ also proclaimed in D&C 1 the truthfulness of His church. I am so thankful in the testimony of Jesus that I gain in reading and studying all the canon of scripture a loving God has provided. The gift of the Holy Ghost as our companion is truly a great and grand blessing in knowing revelation is on going and that the fullness is still being revealed. You are right- “it is the most beautiful thing in earth!”
I think it no coincidence that the Lord gave us a David Alexander just as a Pastor Jeff invited himself into our neighborhoods. The saints are eager to feel the kindly reach across the isle from evangelicals. Pastor Jeff told us the kind of evangelicals that slam our faith & pass out anti LDS pamphlets at conference are not representative of most good evangelicals. I was so surprised and happy to hear it but David is here to warn that he never in 40+ years witnessed a kindly approach in evangelical faith toward the LDS. I agree that Pastor Jeff seeks to build off ramps for our fellow members. While he’s a good man that thinks he’s doing God’s work, LDS are foolish to watch videos of a pastor critiquing our prophets & our scriptures. Thank you David.
I agree very much with your analysis about how eager we are to feel like evangelicals are reaching across to us. Personally, while I like the idea of evangelicals ceasing their "accusatory fog", I don't see it happening, even for Pastor Jeff who just sweetens up his criticisms by starting with compliments.
Hey David, thanks for this NICE SHORT Response. I really appreciate that you got to the point, didn't repeat it over and over. Bore your testimony and ended. Amen.
Pastor Jeff said something on a video explaining his move to Utah that I believe he may be involved with an organized evangelical group’s effort to get LDS away from the church. Hope members are awake to the rise of sophistry coming out of the woodwork.
It's enough of an effort already to stay on the path without listening to other voices, like Pastor Jeff, and that's why I see why it is wise to see Jeff's work for what it truly is.
@@jonny9998I listened to him once, I did not feel right. Tried a second time with his BOM commentary. I did not feel the Holy Ghost. Tried another time. I felt yucky. I went back listening to our dear prophet and apostles. I felt much edified.
@@jonny9998should I feel badly that I don't listen to the views of others? All others? This is one of the favorite worldly views of today. That somehow your unkind, fearful, judgemental or the worst dismissive of someone's viewpoint if you don't want to listen, And agree! No, I am responsible for what I consume, and I take that responsibility seriously. That means I leave a lot alone. When you recognize a garbage can you don't dig around inside trying to find something you can identify with. That isn't unkind- it's wisdom.
I'm a 4th generation LDS in Florida. We should be tolerant, but be aware of pitfalls. You are amazing! There is a report, forgotten which Apostles this was, but in a disagreement between the two precious men, the Elder apostle said to the younger one, "When I was your age, I thought the way you do now". This was an indication of how life and experiences can change our understanding. I'm 75 years old! I definitely see your concerns and share them! Love you so much for always standing for the wonderful truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the covenant path, we enjoy in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.❤❤❤
Dear sister, do you like being "tolerated"? I long to be accepted, appreciated and loved. Jesus told us that we are to love God, and then to love one another as we love ourselves and as He has loved us. We don't have to agree, but we can disagree kindly, with love in our hearts ❤ Perhaps that is how our Saviour would want us to be, not merely tolerant. With love ❤️
@@binmyrtmindI am saying that nobody wants to be tolerated. As brothers and sisters, all children of a loving Heavenly Father, we want to be warmly accepted and loved. We in turn are to be welcoming and loving to all of our neighbours, as Jesus Christ has asked us to do.
In April of 2005, elder Neil L. Anderson gave a talk entitled "Beware of the Evil Behind the Smiling Eyes". The first and only time I wasted watching and listening to Jeff I immediately remembered this talk. I could write volumes on what I think concerning this Pastor character, but I will leave it at that talk.
Thank you for sharing. I looked it up and read it,and am glad I did. I was unfamiliar with that one because it was in the priesthood session and directed to the young men. I think it definitely applies here. Are we so starved for even the appearance of acceptance and respect from evangelical Christians, that we are willing to overlook impure motives?
I felt I was being battered while watching him. He’d be so nice and defensive of the faith…a bridge builder…but in the next breath criticize or “correct” with his “truth”. I realized I was being fed falsehoods mixed with truth in the name of friendship. I agree, instead of using precious time letting him plant doubt or seeds of doubt, seek Christ in His Word, or through His living apostles and prophets. I do pray for Jeff and his little family. ❤️🙏🏻☀️
I agree. God calls money filthy lucre for a reason. How can one truly have Christlike love when they are paid? Their whole career of being a pastor depends on money. It’s not possible in my mind. I’ve heard some of pastor Jeff’s videos where he talks about “his church” I’ve never heard him say Christs church. “His followers” “his congregation” 🤦🏻♀️ That’s not how we talk when it’s about CHRISTS church.
Some of us are experiencing the pain of family members who took the time to listen to the accusatory fog and walked right into it and are rejecting all they've ever been taught and they are rejecting us as parents. It's like saying it's ok to walk next to the cliff to understand how a cliff looks and then falling over the cliff when you get too close. Heed them not! Stay far away from the edge of the cliff! Spend your time where you can strengthen your testimony and feast on the good fruit. I so appreciate Davids warning voice. I spend many sleepless nights praying for my daughters, and other family members caught in these worldly snares. It's not something to take lightly.
I’m with you there my good Sis. Keep praying for them. By watching the channel called “Comeback Podcast” many are returning to the fold even those who were ex-communicated and became an anti. Some amazing stories that gives me hope. Stay Blessed. 🙏🏽💛
Feel ya! ❤ We must keep our hope in Christ for them strong! 🙏 Recently through personal revelation I was led to some scriptures that gave me hope. I know that hope is for all of us Covenant members and our families. The promises are sure. I believe many will return as things get difficult in the world- especially financially.
David could have titled this “priestcraft explained” and it’s dangers to us. 👍🏼 For all of those who would like to understand evangelicals turn to FAIR and listen to Jennifer Roach a member of the church but was an evangelical pastor who is now doing a series on various topics that come up in Come Follow Me and she explains the doctrinal differences so you can understand where they are coming from. She’s awesome
Thank you David! Don’t stop! As much as he has pretended to learn about our church it has done him no good! He’s surrounded by the mist of darkness! We’re all born with the light of Christ! We know when we’re doing wrong to others! HE Knows what he’s doing! In a nice way, so he can trap more of those who are already weak in their faith, and get away with it!
He could only get a weak person and a really dumb person because he has nothing to offer to anyone but lies take out of context and he very well knows this . How could anyone who reads the Bible ever say that baptism is not needed . I can see how some love evangelicals teachings that you have to do nothing but have faith. Just faith. Do nothing . No where does the Bible teach that . Only when taken out of context . So that is being a con artist . He can’t name one scripture where it says you only need faith and nothing else. Only if he chooses to not read all of it. How can Jeff be a Protestant ? If he thinks there was no falling away . They protested things they thought were wrong . How funny .
You echo phrase from Alexander Pope - “Vice is a monster of so frightful mien As to be hated needs but to be seen; Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face, We first endure, then pity, then embrace.” LeGrand Richards (an apostle from my youth) shared this warning in a General Conference talk. Bible Bashing Christians (BBC) have a new clever approach that will cause confusion, and then pity, and then embrace. Hang on everyone! Thank you David
You are so right and sadly the letter from Luke Hansen tells me he’s past the enduring and pitying phase, it’s full on embrace at this point😢 I was shocked to see how vociferous Luke was in the comments section of the first video … could easily be interpreted as contentious and bullying.
David, once again… a powerful spoonful of TRUTH SERUM! Thank you for confirming what the Holy Ghost has already told me about Pastor Jeff’s mission; to plant seeds of doubt in the hearts of the Saints with his Evangelical brand of the gospel. It is NOT the “restored gospel,” Saints! May the Holy Ghost truly guide all of us as we edge further into the latter days!!
Excellent video! Pastor Jeff is merely a modern day Nehor (one of the antichrists of the Book of Mormon). Read the following verses from chapter 1 of Alma. You can’t tell me it doesn’t line up! And he had gone about among the people, preaching to them that which he termed to be the word of God, bearing down against the church; declaring unto the people that every priest and teacher ought to become popular; and they ought not to labor with their hands, but that they ought to be supported by the people. 4 And he also testified unto the people that all mankind should be saved at the last day, and that they need not fear nor tremble, but that they might lift up their heads and rejoice; for the Lord had created all men, and had also redeemed all men; and, in the end, all men should have eternal life. 5 And it came to pass that he did teach these things so much that many did believe on his words, even so many that they began to support him and give him money. 6 And he began to be lifted up in the pride of his heart, and to wear very costly apparel, yea, and even began to establish a church after the manner of his preaching. 7 And it came to pass as he was going, to preach to those who believed on his word, he met a man who belonged to the church of God, yea, even one of their teachers; and he began to contend with him sharply, that he might lead away the people of the church; but the man withstood him, admonishing him with the words of God.
We are in a serious war that started eons ago and involves all of us. In a battle for souls it matters who you choose as friends. Thank you Brother Alexander for being the true bridge we needed for our time. ❤
I did find a strange when pastor Jeff would read the book a Mormon but wouldn't cover the verses that are the most important or stands out in each book. Also, when he backed the girl that went to the church and try to regulate the missionaries kind of seemed odd
I was born again as well. Been a member for yrs now. You are correct, keep in mind even with the authority people in our church can do the same. I’ve seen it, we can see as a convert. We need to continue to remind ourselves to keep our intent pure. Much easier when we don’t have to prove anything. That’s I feel
These Protestants have never meant us well and will never let us into their club. @Jeanie is corect, we feel the sustaining influence of the beautiful Holy Spirit as we focus on Jesus Christ and His living Church with true prophets.
I was told to call Jeff’s ministry “priestcraft” was harsh. 🤦🏻♀️ peacemaking is not turning a blind eye when someone is nice to us, and it certainly isn’t financially supporting priestcraft.
I'm looking currently at Come Follow Me in 1 Corinthians chapter 8. It seems that this can relate to those LDS Podcaster who don't think Pastor Jeff's podcasts and their responses can harm. If we look in verses 4 and 9, at least, Paul warns against being a stumbling block to those who are weak in their testimonies.
I really appreciate you sharing your correspondence with Luke. He does such important work and I think your insights will bless all our lives. For me personally it has been an interesting experience watching Pastor Jeff. At first I also soaked up his words. I was so happy that he was giving us the time of day! I live in the Midwest and my Christian friends don’t approve of my religion. Although when I share my experiences and testimony they do feel the spirit with me. But in Jeff’s most recent video of his move to Utah, I felt a deep sense of insincerity and felt this video was contrived content. Afterwards I really questioned myself. I asked myself why I was feeling untrusting and opposition to his content. I do love that members are showing love to him. That is in our very nature and I love how the people of our church are so loving and accepting. It’s a gift of the spirit and I am so grateful for this community I get to be a part of. In the end I decided that I could feel at peace towards him but that I needed to be cautious and instead follow Gods’ prophets. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and faith with the world. So many of us love you dearly! Best wishes brother!
I totally agree with David. He is absolutely right on. Satan is a deceiver who tells part truth. You don’t mess with that!! If Pastor Jeff is so knowledgeable about the LDS church and so interested, he would have joined the church and had the Holy Ghost bear witness to him that it is true. That is not his intent what so ever! Follow the Prophet. (The one who receives true revelation)
Ultimately comes down to Pastor Jeff not being genuine about his purpose for producing his channel. If he would just come out and say he would like to share evangelical doctrine to convert deceived Mormons, then it would be on the up & up. That's the issue. Not that we don’t want to be friends with other Christians. Let's be open and honest. David is showing us how to stop being so nice and actually defend our faith in a heartfelt Christ-like manner. ❤
David can we get together sometime. I am a convert also and i would love to tell you my story. I have a rich ancestry which includes a grandfather who is portrayed by John Wayne, and his nephew ran with Billy the Kid. And i have others that would interest you also, including the first black priesthood holder in the Church. My own story and my conversion is as wild as it can be also.
Are you related to Amos Abel? As a black member of the Church 44 years now (from Jamaica 🇯🇲) living in Canada 🇨🇦 we don’t deal with the kind of craziness that Americans encounter in or outside the Church. The racism, the constant persecution of the church is on a significantly lower level. When I build up enough courage, perhaps I will speak 🗣️ on my journey and experiences to share collaborating with @davidalexander.
Love to you David again!!!❤ I had a couple of thoughts as I listened to your latest videos about Pastor Jeff. One of them is that anyone who is critiquing our Prophet and Apostles (however kindly) is looking to plant seeds of doubt. When this critique is followed by "suggestions" of a "better way" (however kindly) it serves no purpose other than to "evangelize". I do not seek to demonize Pastor Jeff. That would be giving him too much credit. I do however believe that in his heart of hearts he thinks he has found a niche in the group of "saints" who are or may become (through his efforts) disenchanted with the church. I feel he is seeking out those who are willing to fall away and bring them into his "fold." He may see them as a means of income. Hence his move to Utah. He has told us what his goals are. I think it best that we take him at his word and believe him. I hope that makes sense.
The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
Thank you David for sharing those honest truths about your 47years as an Even Jericho, You are a true honest help to defend the Saints from Even Jericho and there accusations
Thank you for standing strong! You are right! I watched a handful of Pastor Jeff’s videos. They were fascinating at first to this returned missionary. However, I then realized that his true purpose is to get us to leave the church and adopt his views.
I stand with the Savior and the prophet and apostles on the earth today, just as I learn from the ones in the past….I remember how I felt in Primary, and I would like to keep that with me as much as is possible. I also felt a beautiful spirit of testimony throughout my growing up years. Life has been harder in these times, but my testimony is still there….I know even when I don’t feel it strongly. We are all a work in progress….I know that I am, and I hope to keep going forward in life. We all need each others prayers.
Thank you for sharing your faith and testimony of the restored gospel! Thank you for standing strong and clear when sharing your personal experience as a former evangelic and as a new member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
I have seen various sides to Pastor Jeff. He has mocked and criticizes, sometimes even subtly, our scriptures, our leaders, and our beliefs. He "seems" genuine. The sad things is that I used to watch so many of his videos. He has tried to paint a picture of how we worship and what we believe, but he has either blatantly lied at times or he has judged and assumed on many things on many occasions. I have seen some of Pastor Jeff's tactics used before, especially while growing up going to many different Churches.
Thank you Brother Alexander! I know this is not the subject of your video, but I often feel so alone and rejected, and your words helped to reassure me again, thank you 🙏
Thank you for sharing your burden with us. Cheering you on!! You are loved and cared for beyond words. The Lord will show you line upon line 🙏 ❤ I am sure brother Alexander is one of those ways the Lord is comforting you.
Luke is a good boy. He means well. But he should listen and respect David's experience on this because he is 100% correct. We can love Pastor Jeff, as Christ said we should love all our brothers and sisters, but that doesn't mean we have to patronize him.
Jeff would be piously organizing the faithful solders of god and financing the torches to be put to Nauvoo had he been of the era. Now he’s moving to Salt Lake to do the same. I’m very truly disappointed in Jacob Hansen and Greg Madsen.
@dianemiller6540 you nailed it. I'm pretty confident Jacob Hansen sees through the false veneer of PJ. He's dealt with these types pretty straightforwardly.
I corrected myself immediately in a subsequent comment. I said Jacob, but I meant Luke. By the way, I like Luke as a man, I do not always like his condescending tone(s) - but, who’s perfect, certainly not me!
@@jeffreykinney8086 oh - I see! It’s hard to catch all the comments here. I like Luke too. He seems so logical all the time on Ward Radio, but now I‘ve got my eyes on him 😉😅
I’m glad for the word of caution, which should be spoken. No one is saying we shouldn’t be friends with Pastor Jeff, but we need to be aware of his true intentions. I sensed them early on and also fundamentally disagreed with his understanding of the godhead and the garden of Eden. He had that conversation with Greg Madsen on the Cwik Show.
@@rutht2023bridge thoughts, mormon thoughts, Exmo Lex, Allison Biggers, etx. He doesnt follow the church or a single apostle. If I'm curious about woodworking, you'd think I would follow woodworking accounts
Ain’t that the smoking gun. I would love to see that brought to light and it’s a question he needs to answer to Greg, Luke, etc as to why he is focus on the naysayers and not where the truth can be found.
@@reneestewart7977if you go to Hello saints page you will see several tabs. Click on the tab that says channels. It has a list of all the other channels he follows.
Thank you for all that you teach us! I'm so grateful for your valuable insight and knowledge and wise discernment. I feel encouraged and uplifted with every podcast that you post. ❤
I have listened to every one of your podcasts and appreciate and learn from them. I have also listened to every one of Pastor Jeff's. I find him to be as kind as one could hope for from a pastor who sincerely believes that his position is correct. He has admitted many times that he is not approaching this from a desire to determine whether it is true, but simply to understand it better. I don't even see his disagreements as criticisms, but more as statements of difference of belief. I am certainly not offended nor convinced by them. If anything, in combination with all the other things I read and study, listening to him has deepened my testimony of the restored gospel. The mainline Christian belief that he promotes seems like skim milk to the cream of the restored gospel. The restored gospel is so much richer and explanatory of God and his purposes that I will never be turned from it. But I have learned a lot from Pastor Jeff about why evangelicals have such problems with the church and it gives me a better position from which to challenge their criticism. I think that Christ and the prophet would want us to embrace every attempt to engage with love with those outside of our faith. I appreciate it when members of other faiths do so with us.
@@truthbebold4009 I'm troubled as well. The video doesn't call PJ that. It simply says he's honestly motivated to bring us back to what he calls the truth..
Maybe you should go to him, and talk to him about it….sometimes that’s hard to do, but it may help him and all concerned. I guess growing up in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s in Idaho, I did not see what may exist today. I only know that I held fast like glue to my testimony that Joseph Smith saw God, the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, and that they did in reality speak to him, and gave him directions as to what to do, to help restore the fullness of the gospel upon the earth….and look what has become of it!! Amazing!!
David, thank you for this wonderful video and message. You are a true member of the Lord’s Church! I know many others will be lifted by your wonderful Spirit!
Another great video, David again lol I completely agree with you. When it all comes down to it, there’s only two churches, and I believe our church is Christ’s church. Keep up the good work my Brother.
It's because being correct is a matter of salvation and exaltation. ❤ And don't kid yourself non religious people have just as much variation in opinion but why argue when your just along for the ride.
David, you are spot on as usual! Here is the problem as I see it ( from one old gray hair to another!!). Kids today have been raised with the word "tolerance" drilled firmly into their deepest subconscious from early in life. That come from predisposes them to believe that all view points and thought processes are equal and worthy of a hearing, thus in their minds there is simply nothing to lose by having a conversation. In fact there is everything to lose and the Book of Mormon writers knew it! Simply read Alma 30, then focus on v 19, 20,and 21. In fact Jeff is anti Christ, he is actually the individual spoken of in Galatians 1:6-9!! He has another Gospel and he wants you in it, that really the bottom line. Flaxen cords are his weapon of choice, strong chords follow., 2nd Nephi 26:22. Listen to your elders, do not get sucked in!! Why did the people in Jershon NOT listen to Korihir when everone else was willing to? Why is this particular mention engraved on to brass plates at great cost of time and energy, included by someone who saw our day? Think about it...
Question: Does the Church forbid the reading of "anti-Mormon" criticisms, or discourage its members from considering such matters? There is no prohibition on reading material critical of the Church The Church encourages its members not to purchase anti-Mormon propaganda, for this only contributes money to their cause. [so we shouldn't be supporting Pastor McCullough with clicks or contributions. ] However, there is no prohibition on reading material critical of the Church. In the Ensign, the Church's official magazine, the question was asked, "Some people say it is best to leave alone materials that claim to 'expose' the Church and its teachings. What counsel has been given on this? How do we respond when a friend comes to us with questions found in such materials?" The reply given included these recommendations: [Cautions about those who sell material aiming to destroy the Church] must not be interpreted to mean that the Church is against honest scholarship or has anything to fear or hide. Nor does the Church ban literature, but Latter-day Saints should be wise in choosing what to read. This cautionary counsel should not be misconstrued to justify laziness on our part in seeking answers, or giving glib, superficial replies when someone sincerely wants to know the truth after being exposed to anti-LDS material. Church critics and enemies should not be permitted to make what Elder Neal A. Maxwell of the Quorum of the Twelve has sometimes called "uncontested slam dunks." Latter-day Saints should be sufficiently grounded in their testimonies and knowledge of Church doctrine and history that they can answer questions in a non-contentious and informative way. Elder Marvin J. Ashton of the Quorum of the Twelve has instructed Church members not to retaliate against attacks. "We encourage all our members to refuse to become anti-anti-Mormon," he said (Ensign, Nov. 1992, p. 63). Paul taught that coming to Christ requires "speaking the truth in love" (Eph. 4:15). The First Presidency has encouraged Church members to convey their response to questions and criticism "in the form of a positive explanation of the doctrines and practices of the Church."[1] Members should invite those with questions about Church doctrine and practices to read latter-day scriptures and to study the restored gospel, thus tasting the gospel fruit for themselves. Only then will they know "whether it be of God" (John 7:17). When members lack answers, they should learn what Church leaders and reputable scholars have said and written. There is probably no charge against the Church that has not been adequately refuted by someone. When members can’t find answers on their own, they can turn to home and visiting teachers, quorum leaders, bishops, and stake presidents...Those willing to take time to research anti-LDS claims can find answers.[2] end quote... personally I find that the biggest problem with the youth is that the old farts in the Church lived and live a life of lazy learning and have never taken the time to stand up to the anti-Mormons ~ and worse ~ most can't, because they haven't done their homework. ... so , the problem is that when the youth need help the old farts are not able to help them. ... all though there are some of us old ones who have been fighting this battle our whole lives ... but the laborers are few. ... pray ye therefore for more brothers like Bro Alexander. ... peace.
It is easy. Just feel what the Spirit tell us. And, yes, David, we have to be aware that the devil works not always coming at front but from behind in a soft and sutil manner. Just let the Holly Ghost confirm what you wisely said.
Sometimes we need a rock to hit us. Some are hard nuts to crack. I have a former Baptist friend who said so. But I can tell you for a fact that they have been known to crack. We just need to keep praying for them. I have known hearts to soften because of someone’s good example. They see that, and want what we have. It may not even happen until after this life, but they will know. I welcome anyone as a person themselves, but it’s very true, we have to stand beside the Savior, and follow His prophets.
And there are some that do not crack, no matter if you keep praying for them or not. It's our job to pray, but it is not our job to give people false hope. ~ some will not crack, no matter what kind of example you set for them.
@@harryabelpotter9630 I guess we can’t really say one way or the other. Heavenly Father knows our hearts, no one else does but the Lord. and thank goodness it’s up to him and the Lord, and not us. I just know that they never give up on us.
It annoys me that he has put out his own "Come Follow Me" lessons on his channel. That is a huge sign that he is evangelizing Saints. I didn't listen to any of those specific videos. The only one I listened to previously was full of a little bit of LDS belief and a whole lot of his own reasons why we are wrong. He IS nice about it, but he is still preaching directly to convert Saints. Thus, the name of his channel. One positive. Someone posted that they decided to come to our church because of those videos. So, that off road for some might be an on road to another.
Maybe he likes the structure of Come Follow Me. I have several family and friends following along with what we are reading, since it's New Testament there is a lot of common ground.
@ruthtautuaa1303 - I totally agree with what you've said. He's taking our own material like "Come Follow Me" and trying to use it against us. This is an orchestrated move.
How many times has Brother David Alexander talked about staying on the Covenant path. I believe we should. We don't need to be mean to anyone just listen to our prophets, follow their example.
Pastor Jeff's strategy is to take everything precious and sacred to Latter-Day Saints such as The Book of Mormon, "Come Follow Me", going to General Conference, attending temple open houses, etc and then uses that to spin his own web and snare mostly on-the-edge Latter-Day Saints and ex-Latter Day-Saints with a vendetta. Apparently his own material isnt enticing enough. Jumping on the "refuting The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints bandwagon" but the twist is it's being done in nice, friendly innocent seeming way. It seems to be quite a lucrative moneymaker for him. Ca-ching ca-ching🤑🤑🤑.
P. Jeff does have the light of Christ, just not the gift of the Holy Ghost. I still will be interested in how he does living in Utah .. Our HF may have plans for him, possibly softening his heart but I not going to judge him, I'm just not listening to him . I know what I know, and this beautiful restored Gospel has changed my life. The Restored Church of Jesus Christ! What a blessing, truth restored.!
The timing of having David at a time when an evangelist pastor is low-key trying to school us on "the correct Jesus" is divine design. At first I was excited to see and listen to a pastor take curiosity in our doctrine. He sounded so sincere and *fair* (emphasis on "fair") I first noticed he's scolding when he did come follow me with those two ladies from her Church. I noticed that this was a mission to save Later-Day Saints, something like, "Oh those Mormons are so lost, we need to teach them truth with kindness and love." That's not what they actually said, but if you watch that video you will feel that self righteous spirit. I do not claim that our Church is perfect and that it is beyond criticism, certainly we have many faults and we still have a lot to improve, but it seems like all that Pastor Jeff sees is that we are wrong and we need him to correct us using the Bible. I don't like the spirit of contention that is brewing within the Saints who wholeheartedly support Pastor Jeff and the Saints who have a problem with his curious sincere camouflage. I understand that the presenter from Cwic show wants to maintain respect and tolerance, but I would listen to our leaders everyday, and any day over a Pastor who profits off curiosity and keeping his audience on a cliffhanger.
One thing that stands out to me in all this is that in my recent calling as seminary teacher we are counseled often to use divinely appointed sources which we consider the prophets and apostles, the scriptures which include the bible AND Book of Mormon, pearl of great price, DnC, conference talks etc and anything else approved of by first presidency...our leaders do teach us to b kind to ppl like pastor jeff and find the good but he is Not considered a divine source. We love him bc he does appear to want to understand and he puts a good face on evangelical Christianity but part of this reminds me of a mormonad...mormonads are little ads designed for our youth that present an excellent point...in the particular ad I'm thinking of it is designed to teach the youth that although some movies or TV shows have some bad things in them those things can still b harmful despite how good the movie seems or how popular it might be...the photo shows a scoop or two of ice cream with a big bug in it and it says it's so good...except the bad parts...this is not verbatim...there are always scripture references to these also...
Thanks David for your accurate representation of Jeff. You are correct and it has been somewhat to my amazement, your understanding of priesthood authority by someone who correctly read and understood the teachings of the Bible. Which many or seemly most pastors of religion take it (priesthood authority) upon themselves, not called of God as was Aaron. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints BOLDLY declares their authority the same way the original church did. I learned a long time ago you always challenge jurisdiction and authority of unknown persons who would claim it. They should be able to show where proper authority came from. I watched Jeff a time or two but felt as you do he had nothing legitimate to offer. Thank you for your testimony.
Great video. You used the language of evanglism to describe the story of Phillip. "Called to serve widows" = " ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood". Now it is translated into the language of the culture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
My concern with some of these who are voicing concern with the analysis about pastor Jeff and the driving into the Later Day Saints "true" doctrine is what I heard one of them say paraphrasing if someone chooses to leave the Church and it is no concern of mine that is their choice. I myself am exreamely saddened and worried for those who choose to accept the watered down gospel of mainstream Christianity. I also have a deep desire to help resolve the concerns or address that root cause of them making that choice. I believe that is the attitude our father in heaven wishes us to have. Not the attitude of well it is no concern to me. As taught in 1 Corinthians we are one body as members of the Church and all are needed. Loosing one part will cause the body not to function as it should. We should do all we can to strengthen all of our brothers and sisters in the church and out of the Church. And encourage them to put off the world and become like Jesus Christ that we all may be like him at the last day.
Amen David. Many nephites were deceived by Nehor in the Book of Mormon because he was very good with the language and manipulated them with lies about the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thank you!! Love your channel and testimony. PLEASE MAKE YOUR VIDEOS LOUDER FOR WE WHO ARE TECH DORKS and can't figure out how to make them louder. I have all my volumes maxed out and I'm a tiny bit deaf. I don't use earphones. THANKS!!!!
We don't need decades of experience in other churches to understand what Jeff's motivations are. All that is needed is a little understanding of the scriptures and the influence of the Spirit. The gift of discernment is a very valuable and important spiritual gift in these situations. I don't think Jeff has convinced a single faithful LDS member that he has any authority to declare the truth. I watch his videos to get an outside perspective on the Church. The topics he discusses motivate me to study the scriptures and gain a deeper knowledge of the truth as revealed by the Spirit. I comment on his videos, as do others, to correct misunderstandings and to open up the truth in the scriptures to anyone who may read. My hope for Jeff is that regardless of his motivations, through this experience, God can perform miracles and eventually lead him to the truth. It worked for Saul. It worked for Zeezrom, Alma, and many others. "No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing." I'm not aware of any slogan that says: "What would Paul do?". The slogan is: "What would Jesus do?".
Some strong language here, but probably needed. I don't know Pastor Jeff's exact age, but it's interesting that David's experience with evangelicalism is, it seems to me, longer than Jeff has been alive. I believe Pastor Jeff when he says that the Holy Spirit moved him to create his channel, but I think the reasons He prompted him to do so are beyond anything any of us can conceive of, including Pastor Jeff. Because of that, if nothing else, I'm curious to see where the Lord leads him.
Sorry, correction, disappointed in Luke, not Jacob. Luke is a precocious little boy in love with the notion of his sudo intellect. He’ll grow up eventually, hopefully.
Another question for him "Do you believe Grace is all-powerful? How can it fail to save all "whosoever believeth in Him"... Jesus of the Bible (not the creeds defined after James Peter etc were martyred)?
My perspective: Pastor Jeff's videos appear to be a window for protestants to better understand LDS Christians, when in reality it's just a protestant pastors missionary efforts to convert LDS Christians/former LDS Christians. In one of his first videos, he mentioned that a friend in Utah told him there was something interesting about the culture in Utah. I think Pastor saw an opportunity with the members who were experiencing faith crisis to "save them" and bring them to protestant Christianity. This became clear as day with his last video talking about his family moving to Utah to run a church. I also feel like he isn't really listening anymore. It became apparent in his critique of Brad Wilcox's talk "His Grace is Sufficient". Something felt very weird about the video because he was hiking and kept acting like "I'm just hiking and telling you my honest thoughts" when in fact it's him setting up his camera, capturing footage of himself hiking and then moving on to the next scenic spot. It really felt like a show because he just put in videos of himself pondering. He's still a great guy and wish him the best. Honestly I'd rather there be more Christians than Atheist's so if he can help former members at least gain a testimony of Jesus Christ then I think we are better off.
@@SaxSpy I did not know that but believe it. I know early on he mentioned that had heard of lot of these criticisms but was going to avoid them in order learn what a faithful perspective was.
If you're called a pastor you shoud be worried about your herd. In the LDS church we're established as GOD's church. Best organized Church as will be in the milenial time. God goes ahead of time. Eventhough pastor Jeff looks and sound charismatic he doesn't know what we know. Also as David said it: it's all about the gift of the Holy Ghost and the power of the Holy Priesthood. Again, God's church should be working in order and accion as we are commanded. Please don't waste your time empowering partial true or personal entertainment, let's live the Gospel accordingly looking forward for the second comming of our Great Redeemer and Savior Jesuschrist. As my 42 years been LDS member I can see that whatever this Church touches and blesses with the Holy Priesthood, it becomes enriched and blessed. Even some others religios liders make a living out of it.!
Warning, those were going off as I watched Pastor Jeff’s videos. Spirit jewel promptings led me to stop. When I described it to my better half, she instantly warned me about Pastor Jeff and she has never even watched a video, only heard my description.
👍🏻 Good video David. I have to say, though, I fear and see a pretty nasty result of this pitting Latter-Day Saints up against each other kind of like "and their hearts were stirred up one against another, brother against brother". I get that everyone wants to support each other, give each other the benefit of the doubt and hope, and its a crazy rollercoaster ride, and I guess thats the benefit of having a prophet, that when thing errupt God speaks with him to steer everyone back. Some are offended their aide isnt taken and they become bitter and leave, some are better sports to admit they were wrong and acknowledge the prophet is right and God talks with him about this and they need to align themselves with the beacon, with the lighthouse on the shore, but its painfully obvious this is going to become a nasty topic. The Church is definitely different today than in Joseph Smiths time where they were bold and today we're more diplomatic in our speech, but theres an erruption bubbling up amonst the Saints right now thats pitting brother against brother. The Church is under attack, we need unity more than division. The fact of the matter is, both sides are right. I think Latter-Day Saints want to give Jeff McCollough the benefit of the doubt that for once we can get along with those that dont agree with us, that someone wants to legitimately study us like a frozen cavemen and learn what Latter-Day Saints are about. Some think, as was said, that Pastor Jeff will read 3 Nephi 11 and have this frand spiritual moment where God will tell him and he'll be changed, but I think you'd be wrong. God prepares those a little at a time. People have to be in place and in position, and maybe Jeff moving to Utah, as his move almost fell through, the house deal unraveled. Was that making an attempt to preserve his vineyard? Who knows. Was it an adviserial attempt to stop him knowing hes now in the middle of the Lords vineyard and thus more likely to be prepared at a faster rate? Would it be ignorant of me to write this and him out looking for the critiques of his work to produce more appealing content? Yes it would be. I actually used to get likes on comments posted on his channel, that have since stopped, but it could very well be God might be preparing him, but he knows we think that because he reads our comments. So, we want to give him the benefit of the doubt hes at least trying to treat us differently and be civil, because its flattering. But, David is right too. Pastor Jeff says himself he has NO INTENT TO CONVERT. Many have asked him to pray to know if the Book of Mormon is true and to have understanding. Pastor Jeff simply says "I pray for truth". Hes not motivated to convert, Greg Madsen is very clear on his position that Latter-Day Saints have it wrong. Theres a curiosity to know about us, sure, it appeals to us but also helps him teach his congregation how we think and operate too. And, like David said, Latter-day Saints are an untapped resource. Youll never catch them sitting on a pue in a church emptying their pocket into a collection plate, Latter-day Saints are some of the stingiest people on the planet because they have their bills, then their tithing for their many kids, then college funds for those many kids, Latter-day Saints have to be tighter with their spending, but this is a non-threatening collection plate, Davids right. Preach to the Mormons, they dont pay into a collection plate, heck, theyre getting to where they dont pay tithing in their own church and are now demanding the money they did pay into tithing back (Greg Madsen on Cwic Media did a video about that). This is going to turn into conflict between brother and brother when we dont have time for this. Davids right, listen to the man, but test his fruits, keep the guard up but see if he holds to his word. The other thing is, the best way to get to know someone is take it all away and see they react. If nobody were pay into Patreon anymore and the money isnt there to sustain it, do they remain the same because the principle is the same, or its no longer profitable so they either just quit or become enraged. I didnt know he was getting that much money, maybe I ought to have a UA-cam channel. I figured LDS were as stingy as always but watching. People, its not worth the fight amonst yourselves. Hes not going to convert to the Church, hes adimant about that. He wants a better dialogue, more civility, but hes still very much for his faith and it would make him extremely happy to see someone jump ship. He was very sympathetic toward the guy that used to work for Vice amd left the Church, he took that side, not why he couldnt understand whyd hed leave the church when his learnings of the church and people were so inviting. He even did a dialogue with the former LDS Missionary that left the Church, theyre buddies now, its a win for Jeff McCollough. Be nice to others of other faiths. Remain respectful, because the Church in its day were treated horribly and they didnt like it, just Joseph Smith taught "We claim the right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, we also allow others the same privilege" so, remain respectful, but his channel is to be observed and watched, not taken. Im surprised Latter-day Saints are paying a Pastor they wouldnt do otherwise, HE JUST BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE while members of the church struggle in and outside of Utah and it was Latter-Day Saint money to help pay for that and the move, its a new collection plate. We have David Alexander that just spent 47 years in that side of the world. Theres knowledge and wisdom and experience there we dont know and see. In my field of work, I was told to stop being so trusting because it was clouding my judgement, that people exist to take advantage of you, while this man, who Greg Madsen actually praised, how I heard of him, has been converted, an honest man who was changed through being prepared. So, you can have both, but keep that spirit in mind and be mindful of things that feel off, the red flags. And yes, you wouldnt go to a protestant church and drop money into the collection plate, some might to be nice, but I didnt know, it hadnt occured to me that was happening, because Latter-day Saints are LDS, the gospel shouldnt be sold for money, its not ours to sell. If some want to fly him out to see conference or something, sure, but if his goal is what it is, thats his journey, not funded like Billy Graham who has two jets while his mega church sits in poverty with no help from him, my father whose a convert, still holds to this day the Catholic Church is built by the adversary, that its his church, and Protestants are those lying in wait to deceive, because he lived without the gospel in his life and had a confirmation of his testimony and he wont deny it. He seems to agree with former endowment presentation and tells me about it when we go, he feels it vital for his children to know how its changed because theres still diamonds in that all. We've just become more diplomatic because feelings are easier hurt these days so, now Im getting off track and lost, and if its any longer UA-cam will tell me "Not a vaid arguement" and reject my response, but I fear and can see this subject is going to cause conflict and fight brother against brother, which shouldnt be happening at this point when so many are leaving Christianity as a whole, its not where we want to be. So, I guess we'll see if my "argument is not relevant" or "not a valid argument" I get that a lot with such long reponses but, its a deep subject with a lot to say that sub points too so, we'll see......
I guess I just care about us all….I pray for everyone to find the truth, including Pastor Jeff. I hope he will respect our beliefs as well as we respect basic Christianity….no criticisms on either side. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is basic Christianity plus just adds more that Christ has taught us, and adminished us to do.
The Church is a lot more than just basic Christianity plus just adds more of what Christ taught. The key s of Athority have been restored! Remember the Christians history- with out the priesthood keys? 😢 I care about us all too. I pray for the world too. Christ died for the world but he taught " as one having Athority " because he did. It matters. In fact it makes all the difference! If we really love them we will be the teacher. Because we are the only one's with the Athority- with out these truths there is no Salvation or Exaltation. "... how great the need to make these things know unto the children of man.." Christ did not spend time being taught of the Saducees and Pharisees not even to build a bridge. He taught the humble. Those willing to exercise faith in what He had to say. His pattern is our guide.
@@safrew1 I have been taught that there is salvation for the believers in Christ. Just not exaltation. The Celestial Kingdom is for those who want to progress further. The three degrees of glory save almost everyone from eternal torment. God would not be just if that was not so. We choose where we want to be in the next life. And it is not over until we make our final choices. I know someone who died in a different religion, and one of our bishops who is very close to the veil said that he and one other are very happy. His had overcome a smoking habit finally, cancer had humbled him, and his temple work got done a year after he died. I know that he may have had a struggle for a time there, but it is much better on the other side, and he is now doing well, and sealed in marriage. God gave him more chances, he had lived a very good and responsible life, had done a lot for others, had integrity, and was just not ready to espouse the church until he could truly live all of the teachings. Even one who has committed serious sins has chances to repent. That is why we have a Savior. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. As for him, a doctor many years ago had misled him about pipe smoking, when they did not know as much about it….I won’t text what he said, it was a misunderstanding of the truth, but the doctor caused him to fear the withdrawal. But when he quit, and got treatment, he said it was nothing compared to the cancer. He wanted to tell EVERYONE about that!! Of course, much happiness and deep joy comes from accepting all that Christ has to offer us now. Not without trials!! But we can be truly happy in this life if we choose to do that….much happier than if we do not listen to the prophet. He knows the way. And we need to be with those who lift and encourage us to that end. All I can say is Amen 🙏. God loves his children, he wants to help all of us to do the best we can, as we have our choices. Our freedom is the key. He and Christ gave us that, and he gave us guidance!! Obedience is freeing!! I think that the best is to have our will swallowed up in the will of the Father. Or try to do the will of the Father, for he is our Father in heaven.
Thanks for sharing Lukes letter. I have asked, if Satan were to present himself to the Saints, would he look more like Jeff Durbin or Jeff McCullough? Not accusing... Just wondering...
I see Pastor Jeff as a wolf in sheeps clothing. As long as you know this, you can interact with him in a more effective way. Figuratively, he is waiting to pounce. You need a strong defense, or you can go on the offense.
Phillip did have the authority to baptize just not to confer the Holy Ghost. That's why the people of Samaria didn't have to be baptized again. Peter and John came to confirm them. This is based on the separation of priesthood authority, not the lack of it. With that said, a better example would be Apollos who was teaching but only knew the baptism of John till shown the more perfect way but left Paul with a handful of people who had to be baptized again.
You are absolutely right David, why waste our time listening to a deceiver, we have so much to study and learn from the true Gospel. I respectfully want to say something to the young man who wrote this letter. The reality is that everybody’s testimony is fragile no matter who you are. We learn in the Temple that our body and spirit needs constant nourishment, if we don’t nourish our spirit with the truth constantly like we nourish our body in a daily basis we will lose our child like faith and testimony. That’s why the scriptures admonish us to watch and pray always that we won’t be deceived. Thanks for being the watchman on the tower warning us of the real dangers that are out there.
A man posted a comment yesterday....that started out something like, "David you are a nice man, the Church needs more like you....and then he went on to speak of what a zealous Saint he was...till he lost his faith due to a list of "Facts" about a number of secondary issues...and said he can't come back until those "facts" are refuted somehow. I was quite taken with his list of things...stuff like the polygamy, of course...but also stuff like Joseph Smith applying for Copyright on the Book of Mormon, listing himself as the author, etc.
I was trying to cut and paste his comment to SAVE it...and accidentally deleted it instead somehow. I would really like to respond to this gentleman....If you are OUT THERE, please resend your comment or recreate it and send it to me at davidmalvinalexander@gmail.com
I would really like to give you an honest answer to the list of things you posted. Much love, David
I’m just focusing on my Saviour and His living church with true prophets
Thank you David for your clarity and directness. In my work I frequently deal with people with gentle and loving hearts who are so naive it makes my eyes bleed! They haven’t encountered deception, venality, or corruption so cannot conceive that it exists…but their world view makes them a prime target for predators, or people with a hidden agenda.
I agree with you David, - Pastor Jeff has moved to Utah for three reasons - to build his brand, make himself a pile of money and make a name for himself by de converting saints.
I name him Nehor and say to everyone …no good will come of exposing yourself to his material. David you are a treasure. If I want to know about evangelical Christianity…I’ll ask YOU.
All great points! ❤
So well said Hazel.
Exactly
GREAT POINT😊👍.
Ding, ding ding!! Yep!! Totally agree! Pastor Jeff's intention's doesn't sound very Christlike do they?
As for me, as I listened to this video and felt the nagging in my spirit as I have listened to Pastor Jeff in the past, my first thought was to recall the experience of Joseph Smith. “Which of all the sects was right” Christ Himself answered:
19 I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: “they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.”
I must base the words of the Lord, Himself, as I have studied the gospel and had the confirmation of the Holy Ghost in Priesthood authority, in the scriptures, in the temple, in my testimony of Jesus. There is no one better to receive from than a true and living Prophet representing Christ with the confidence of the gift of the Holy Ghost. I stand all amazed. Christ also proclaimed in D&C 1 the truthfulness of His church. I am so thankful in the testimony of Jesus that I gain in reading and studying all the canon of scripture a loving God has provided. The gift of the Holy Ghost as our companion is truly a great and grand blessing in knowing revelation is on going and that the fullness is still being revealed. You are right- “it is the most beautiful thing in earth!”
Thanks for that great reply.
I think it no coincidence that the Lord gave us a David Alexander just as a Pastor Jeff invited himself into our neighborhoods. The saints are eager to feel the kindly reach across the isle from evangelicals. Pastor Jeff told us the kind of evangelicals that slam our faith & pass out anti LDS pamphlets at conference are not representative of most good evangelicals. I was so surprised and happy to hear it but David is here to warn that he never in 40+ years witnessed a kindly approach in evangelical faith toward the LDS. I agree that Pastor Jeff seeks to build off ramps for our fellow members. While he’s a good man that thinks he’s doing God’s work, LDS are foolish to watch videos of a pastor critiquing our prophets & our scriptures. Thank you David.
I agree very much with your analysis about how eager we are to feel like evangelicals are reaching across to us. Personally, while I like the idea of evangelicals ceasing their "accusatory fog", I don't see it happening, even for Pastor Jeff who just sweetens up his criticisms by starting with compliments.
Hey David, thanks for this NICE SHORT Response. I really appreciate that you got to the point, didn't repeat it over and over. Bore your testimony and ended. Amen.
@@catherinerodeback2494 Disagree. I enjoy the 2 hour long responses. What can I say, I get pretty bored at work... 😂
Pastor Jeff said something on a video explaining his move to Utah that I believe he may be involved with an organized evangelical group’s effort to get LDS away from the church. Hope members are awake to the rise of sophistry coming out of the woodwork.
Very accurate!
It's enough of an effort already to stay on the path without listening to other voices, like Pastor Jeff, and that's why I see why it is wise to see Jeff's work for what it truly is.
I am sad you find it so difficult to stay on the path that you cannot take time to listen to the views of others.
@@jonny9998I listened to him once, I did not feel right. Tried a second time with his BOM commentary. I did not feel the Holy Ghost. Tried another time. I felt yucky. I went back listening to our dear prophet and apostles. I felt much edified.
I wonder how much time is spent learning the gospel or the words of the brethren compared to listening to everything else.
@@jonny9998should I feel badly that I don't listen to the views of others? All others? This is one of the favorite worldly views of today. That somehow your unkind, fearful, judgemental or the worst dismissive of someone's viewpoint if you don't want to listen, And agree! No, I am responsible for what I consume, and I take that responsibility seriously. That means I leave a lot alone. When you recognize a garbage can you don't dig around inside trying to find something you can identify with. That isn't unkind- it's wisdom.
@@jonny9998 you want views of people who Al through history because of their wrong beliefs murdered ? Ok
I'm a 4th generation LDS in Florida. We should be tolerant, but be aware of pitfalls. You are amazing! There is a report, forgotten which Apostles this was, but in a disagreement between the two precious men, the Elder apostle said to the younger one, "When I was your age, I thought the way you do now". This was an indication of how life and experiences can change our understanding. I'm 75 years old! I definitely see your concerns and share them! Love you so much for always standing for the wonderful truths of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the covenant path, we enjoy in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.❤❤❤
Dear sister, do you like being "tolerated"?
I long to be accepted, appreciated and loved.
Jesus told us that we are to love God, and then to love one another as we love ourselves and as He has loved us.
We don't have to agree, but we can disagree kindly, with love in our hearts ❤
Perhaps that is how our Saviour would want us to be, not merely tolerant.
With love ❤️
What
@@jilldowding-walker8066what exactly are you trying to say?
@@binmyrtmindI am saying that nobody wants to be tolerated. As brothers and sisters, all children of a loving Heavenly Father, we want to be warmly accepted and loved. We in turn are to be welcoming and loving to all of our neighbours, as Jesus Christ has asked us to do.
Well said 👏🏼❤️
"And thus he did preach unto them, leading away the hearts of many" Alma 30
In April of 2005, elder Neil L. Anderson gave a talk entitled "Beware of the Evil Behind the Smiling Eyes". The first and only time I wasted watching and listening to Jeff I immediately remembered this talk. I could write volumes on what I think concerning this Pastor character, but I will leave it at that talk.
I don't remember that one. I will look it up.
Thank you for sharing. I looked it up and read it,and am glad I did. I was unfamiliar with that one because it was in the priesthood session and directed to the young men. I think it definitely applies here. Are we so starved for even the appearance of acceptance and respect from evangelical Christians, that we are willing to overlook impure motives?
I felt I was being battered while watching him. He’d be so nice and defensive of the faith…a bridge builder…but in the next breath criticize or “correct” with his “truth”. I realized I was being fed falsehoods mixed with truth in the name of friendship.
I agree, instead of using precious time letting him plant doubt or seeds of doubt, seek Christ in His Word, or through His living apostles and prophets.
I do pray for Jeff and his little family. ❤️🙏🏻☀️
I agree. God calls money filthy lucre for a reason. How can one truly have Christlike love when they are paid? Their whole career of being a pastor depends on money. It’s not possible in my mind. I’ve heard some of pastor Jeff’s videos where he talks about “his church” I’ve never heard him say Christs church. “His followers” “his congregation” 🤦🏻♀️ That’s not how we talk when it’s about CHRISTS church.
Such a great point you make here Sarah.
Making money from your religion gives you ownership, or at least that’s how the good pastor sees it.
Some of us are experiencing the pain of family members who took the time to listen to the accusatory fog and walked right into it and are rejecting all they've ever been taught and they are rejecting us as parents. It's like saying it's ok to walk next to the cliff to understand how a cliff looks and then falling over the cliff when you get too close. Heed them not! Stay far away from the edge of the cliff! Spend your time where you can strengthen your testimony and feast on the good fruit. I so appreciate Davids warning voice. I spend many sleepless nights praying for my daughters, and other family members caught in these worldly snares. It's not something to take lightly.
I’m with you there my good Sis. Keep praying for them. By watching the channel called “Comeback Podcast” many are returning to the fold even those who were ex-communicated and became an anti. Some amazing stories that gives me hope.
Stay Blessed. 🙏🏽💛
Feel ya! ❤ We must keep our hope in Christ for them strong! 🙏
Recently through personal revelation I was led to some scriptures that gave me hope. I know that hope is for all of us Covenant members and our families. The promises are sure. I believe many will return as things get difficult in the world- especially financially.
@@RealLadyGYes! I love the Come Back podcast!! ❤
David, thank you! I hope all LDS podcasters and UA-camrs are taking notes!
David could have titled this “priestcraft explained” and it’s dangers to us. 👍🏼
For all of those who would like to understand evangelicals turn to FAIR and listen to Jennifer Roach a member of the church but was an evangelical pastor who is now doing a series on various topics that come up in Come Follow Me and she explains the doctrinal differences so you can understand where they are coming from. She’s awesome
I didn't know about that. I will look for it.
You are so right! Jennifer IS awesome!
She’s a perfect source for the type of material Jeff says he wants to provide and she’s simply amazing.
@@alejandrovalenzuela377 yes, she presents it in a neutral loving manner. She’s great
I wish She would do a video about Jeff McCullough.
Thank you David! Don’t stop! As much as he has pretended to learn about our church it has done him no good! He’s surrounded by the mist of darkness! We’re all born with the light of Christ! We know when we’re doing wrong to others! HE Knows what he’s doing! In a nice way, so he can trap more of those who are already weak in their faith, and get away with it!
jeff stated he was not praying for light nor to be serious about it
He could only get a weak person and a really dumb person because he has nothing to offer to anyone but lies take out of context and he very well knows this . How could anyone who reads the Bible ever say that baptism is not needed . I can see how some love evangelicals teachings that you have to do nothing but have faith. Just faith. Do nothing . No where does the Bible teach that . Only when taken out of context . So that is being a con artist . He can’t name one scripture where it says you only need faith and nothing else. Only if he chooses to not read all of it. How can Jeff be a Protestant ? If he thinks there was no falling away . They protested things they thought were wrong . How funny .
You echo phrase from Alexander Pope -
“Vice is a monster of so frightful mien
As to be hated needs but to be seen;
Yet seen too oft, familiar with her face,
We first endure, then pity, then embrace.”
LeGrand Richards (an apostle from my youth) shared this warning in a General Conference talk.
Bible Bashing Christians (BBC) have a new clever approach that will cause confusion, and then pity, and then embrace.
Hang on everyone!
Thank you David
You are so right and sadly the letter from Luke Hansen tells me he’s past the enduring and pitying phase, it’s full on embrace at this point😢
I was shocked to see how vociferous Luke was in the comments section of the first video … could easily be interpreted as contentious and bullying.
David, once again… a powerful spoonful of TRUTH SERUM!
Thank you for confirming what the Holy Ghost has already told me about Pastor Jeff’s mission; to plant seeds of doubt in the hearts of the Saints with his Evangelical brand of the gospel. It is NOT the “restored gospel,” Saints!
May the Holy Ghost truly guide all of us as we edge further into the latter days!!
Excellent video! Pastor Jeff is merely a modern day Nehor (one of the antichrists of the Book of Mormon). Read the following verses from chapter 1 of Alma. You can’t tell me it doesn’t line up!
And he had gone about among the people, preaching to them that which he termed to be the word of God, bearing down against the church; declaring unto the people that every priest and teacher ought to become popular; and they ought not to labor with their hands, but that they ought to be supported by the people.
4 And he also testified unto the people that all mankind should be saved at the last day, and that they need not fear nor tremble, but that they might lift up their heads and rejoice; for the Lord had created all men, and had also redeemed all men; and, in the end, all men should have eternal life.
5 And it came to pass that he did teach these things so much that many did believe on his words, even so many that they began to support him and give him money.
6 And he began to be lifted up in the pride of his heart, and to wear very costly apparel, yea, and even began to establish a church after the manner of his preaching.
7 And it came to pass as he was going, to preach to those who believed on his word, he met a man who belonged to the church of God, yea, even one of their teachers; and he began to contend with him sharply, that he might lead away the people of the church; but the man withstood him, admonishing him with the words of God.
THANK YOU!
Exactly pastor Jeff is just in for the money
We are in a serious war that started eons ago and involves all of us. In a battle for souls it matters who you choose as friends. Thank you Brother Alexander for being the true bridge we needed for our time. ❤
Thank you so much, Bro Alexander, for exposing the "wolves in sheep's clothing" !
Provo, UT
I did find a strange when pastor Jeff would read the book a Mormon but wouldn't cover the verses that are the most important or stands out in each book. Also, when he backed the girl that went to the church and try to regulate the missionaries kind of seemed odd
I was born again as well. Been a member for yrs now. You are correct, keep in mind even with the authority people in our church can do the same. I’ve seen it, we can see as a convert. We need to continue to remind ourselves to keep our intent pure. Much easier when we don’t have to prove anything. That’s I feel
These Protestants have never meant us well and will never let us into their club. @Jeanie is corect, we feel the sustaining influence of the beautiful Holy Spirit as we focus on Jesus Christ and His living Church with true prophets.
I was told to call Jeff’s ministry “priestcraft” was harsh. 🤦🏻♀️ peacemaking is not turning a blind eye when someone is nice to us, and it certainly isn’t financially supporting priestcraft.
I'm looking currently at Come Follow Me in 1 Corinthians chapter 8. It seems that this can relate to those LDS Podcaster who don't think Pastor Jeff's podcasts and their responses can harm. If we look in verses 4 and 9, at least, Paul warns against being a stumbling block to those who are weak in their testimonies.
Satan has got a new tool: Pastor Jeff.
I really appreciate you sharing your correspondence with Luke. He does such important work and I think your insights will bless all our lives. For me personally it has been an interesting experience watching Pastor Jeff. At first I also soaked up his words. I was so happy that he was giving us the time of day! I live in the Midwest and my Christian friends don’t approve of my religion. Although when I share my experiences and testimony they do feel the spirit with me. But in Jeff’s most recent video of his move to Utah, I felt a deep sense of insincerity and felt this video was contrived content. Afterwards I really questioned myself. I asked myself why I was feeling untrusting and opposition to his content. I do love that members are showing love to him. That is in our very nature and I love how the people of our church are so loving and accepting. It’s a gift of the spirit and I am so grateful for this community I get to be a part of. In the end I decided that I could feel at peace towards him but that I needed to be cautious and instead follow Gods’ prophets. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and faith with the world. So many of us love you dearly! Best wishes brother!
I totally agree with David. He is absolutely right on. Satan is a deceiver who tells part truth. You don’t mess with that!! If Pastor Jeff is so knowledgeable about the LDS church and so interested, he would have joined the church and had the Holy Ghost bear witness to him that it is true. That is not his intent what so ever! Follow the Prophet. (The one who receives true revelation)
Ultimately comes down to Pastor Jeff not being genuine about his purpose for producing his channel. If he would just come out and say he would like to share evangelical doctrine to convert deceived Mormons, then it would be on the up & up. That's the issue. Not that we don’t want to be friends with other Christians. Let's be open and honest. David is showing us how to stop being so nice and actually defend our faith in a heartfelt Christ-like manner. ❤
David can we get together sometime. I am a convert also and i would love to tell you my story. I have a rich ancestry which includes a grandfather who is portrayed by John Wayne, and his nephew ran with Billy the Kid. And i have others that would interest you also, including the first black priesthood holder in the Church. My own story and my conversion is as wild as it can be also.
I would love that. my email is on the channel home page...!
I WANT to meet you. !!!
@@PascalDupont561 absolutely
I want to hear your story and conversion too!
Are you related to Amos Abel?
As a black member of the Church 44 years now (from Jamaica 🇯🇲) living in Canada 🇨🇦 we don’t deal with the kind of craziness that Americans encounter in or outside the Church. The racism, the constant persecution of the church is on a significantly lower level. When I build up enough courage, perhaps I will speak 🗣️ on my journey and experiences to share collaborating with @davidalexander.
Love to you David again!!!❤ I had a couple of thoughts as I listened to your latest videos about Pastor Jeff. One of them is that anyone who is critiquing our Prophet and Apostles (however kindly) is looking to plant seeds of doubt. When this critique is followed by "suggestions" of a "better way" (however kindly) it serves no purpose other than to "evangelize". I do not seek to demonize Pastor Jeff. That would be giving him too much credit. I do however believe that in his heart of hearts he thinks he has found a niche in the group of "saints" who are or may become (through his efforts) disenchanted with the church. I feel he is seeking out those who are willing to fall away and bring them into his "fold." He may see them as a means of income. Hence his move to Utah. He has told us what his goals are. I think it best that we take him at his word and believe him.
I hope that makes sense.
So we'll said! He has told us what his goals are we should take him at his word.
Love how you can see corners. I think we are more comfortable and open than born agains, we have nothing to prove. We know it’s true. Love knowing
The Standard of Truth has been erected; no unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing; persecutions may rage, mobs may combine, armies may assemble, calumny may defame, but the truth of God will go forth boldly, nobly, and independent, till it has penetrated every continent, visited every clime, swept every country, and sounded in every ear, till the purposes of God shall be accomplished, and the Great Jehovah shall say the work is done.
Thank you David for sharing those honest truths about your 47years as an Even Jericho, You are a true honest help to defend the Saints from Even Jericho and there accusations
Thank you for standing strong! You are right! I watched a handful of Pastor Jeff’s videos. They were fascinating at first to this returned missionary. However, I then realized that his true purpose is to get us to leave the church and adopt his views.
I stand with the Savior and the prophet and apostles on the earth today, just as I learn from the ones in the past….I remember how I felt in Primary, and I would like to keep that with me as much as is possible. I also felt a beautiful spirit of testimony throughout my growing up years. Life has been harder in these times, but my testimony is still there….I know even when I don’t feel it strongly. We are all a work in progress….I know that I am, and I hope to keep going forward in life. We all need each others prayers.
So true! Love to you Sister ❤️ Keep praying 🙏
David speaks truth!
Hi David, I will share your videos about pastor Jeff in my groups. He is a nice wolf in sheep,s clothing but nevertheless a wolf.
Thank you for sharing your faith and testimony of the restored gospel! Thank you for standing strong and clear when sharing your personal experience as a former evangelic and as a new member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints.
I have seen various sides to Pastor Jeff. He has mocked and criticizes, sometimes even subtly, our scriptures, our leaders, and our beliefs. He "seems" genuine. The sad things is that I used to watch so many of his videos. He has tried to paint a picture of how we worship and what we believe, but he has either blatantly lied at times or he has judged and assumed on many things on many occasions. I have seen some of Pastor Jeff's tactics used before, especially while growing up going to many different Churches.
Thank you Brother Alexander! I know this is not the subject of your video, but I often feel so alone and rejected, and your words helped to reassure me again, thank you 🙏
Thank you for sharing your burden with us. Cheering you on!! You are loved and cared for beyond words. The Lord will show you line upon line 🙏 ❤ I am sure brother Alexander is one of those ways the Lord is comforting you.
Luke is a good boy. He means well. But he should listen and respect David's experience on this because he is 100% correct. We can love Pastor Jeff, as Christ said we should love all our brothers and sisters, but that doesn't mean we have to patronize him.
Jeff would be piously organizing the faithful solders of god and financing the torches to be put to Nauvoo had he been of the era. Now he’s moving to Salt Lake to do the same. I’m very truly disappointed in Jacob Hansen and Greg Madsen.
David is talking about Luke Hanson of Cougar Chronicles here and not Jacob Hansen of Thoughtful Faith. FYI ❤
@dianemiller6540 you nailed it. I'm pretty confident Jacob Hansen sees through the false veneer of PJ. He's dealt with these types pretty straightforwardly.
@@kevinwoodward8546 Jacob is great and such a remarkable life story!
I corrected myself immediately in a subsequent comment. I said Jacob, but I meant Luke. By the way, I like Luke as a man, I do not always like his condescending tone(s) - but, who’s perfect, certainly not me!
@@jeffreykinney8086 oh - I see! It’s hard to catch all the comments here. I like Luke too. He seems so logical all the time on Ward Radio, but now I‘ve got my eyes on him 😉😅
I’m glad for the word of caution, which should be spoken. No one is saying we shouldn’t be friends with Pastor Jeff, but we need to be aware of his true intentions. I sensed them early on and also fundamentally disagreed with his understanding of the godhead and the garden of Eden. He had that conversation with Greg Madsen on the Cwik Show.
Pastor Jeff doesn’t follow any LDS Church official account but he follows a lot of anti-Mormon accounts on Instagram 😅
How did you find that out?
@@rutht2023bridge thoughts, mormon thoughts, Exmo Lex, Allison Biggers, etx. He doesnt follow the church or a single apostle. If I'm curious about woodworking, you'd think I would follow woodworking accounts
Ain’t that the smoking gun. I would love to see that brought to light and it’s a question he needs to answer to Greg, Luke, etc as to why he is focus on the naysayers and not where the truth can be found.
There's no way you could know that, is there?
@@reneestewart7977if you go to Hello saints page you will see several tabs. Click on the tab that says channels. It has a list of all the other channels he follows.
Thank you for all that you teach us! I'm so grateful for your valuable insight and knowledge and wise discernment. I feel encouraged and uplifted with every podcast that you post. ❤
I have listened to every one of your podcasts and appreciate and learn from them. I have also listened to every one of Pastor Jeff's. I find him to be as kind as one could hope for from a pastor who sincerely believes that his position is correct. He has admitted many times that he is not approaching this from a desire to determine whether it is true, but simply to understand it better. I don't even see his disagreements as criticisms, but more as statements of difference of belief. I am certainly not offended nor convinced by them. If anything, in combination with all the other things I read and study, listening to him has deepened my testimony of the restored gospel. The mainline Christian belief that he promotes seems like skim milk to the cream of the restored gospel. The restored gospel is so much richer and explanatory of God and his purposes that I will never be turned from it. But I have learned a lot from Pastor Jeff about why evangelicals have such problems with the church and it gives me a better position from which to challenge their criticism. I think that Christ and the prophet would want us to embrace every attempt to engage with love with those outside of our faith. I appreciate it when members of other faiths do so with us.
I love your skim milk and cream analogy. That's a great way to explain how I've felt about it.
@@truthbebold4009 I'm troubled as well. The video doesn't call PJ that. It simply says he's honestly motivated to bring us back to what he calls the truth..
Once again, David, you are spot on!
Maybe you should go to him, and talk to him about it….sometimes that’s hard to do, but it may help him and all concerned. I guess growing up in the 50’s, 60’s and 70’s in Idaho, I did not see what may exist today. I only know that I held fast like glue to my testimony that Joseph Smith saw God, the Father, and His Son, Jesus Christ, and that they did in reality speak to him, and gave him directions as to what to do, to help restore the fullness of the gospel upon the earth….and look what has become of it!! Amazing!!
David, thank you for this wonderful video and message. You are a true member of the Lord’s Church! I know many others will be lifted by your wonderful Spirit!
Another great video, David again lol
I completely agree with you. When it all comes down to it, there’s only two churches, and I believe our church is Christ’s church.
Keep up the good work my Brother.
DAlex - Absolutely agree 100% with your assessment of PJ. Thank you for what you are doing......
Christianity is sure the most divided religion in the world.
It's because being correct is a matter of salvation and exaltation. ❤
And don't kid yourself non religious people have just as much variation in opinion but why argue when your just along for the ride.
David, you are spot on as usual! Here is the problem as I see it ( from one old gray hair to another!!). Kids today have been raised with the word "tolerance" drilled firmly into their deepest subconscious from early in life. That come from predisposes them to believe that all view points and thought processes are equal and worthy of a hearing, thus in their minds there is simply nothing to lose by having a conversation. In fact there is everything to lose and the Book of Mormon writers knew it! Simply read Alma 30, then focus on v 19, 20,and 21. In fact Jeff is anti Christ, he is actually the individual spoken of in Galatians 1:6-9!! He has another Gospel and he wants you in it, that really the bottom line. Flaxen cords are his weapon of choice, strong chords follow., 2nd Nephi 26:22. Listen to your elders, do not get sucked in!! Why did the people in Jershon NOT listen to Korihir when everone else was willing to? Why is this particular mention engraved on to brass plates at great cost of time and energy, included by someone who saw our day? Think about it...
Question: Does the Church forbid the reading of "anti-Mormon" criticisms, or discourage its members from considering such matters?
There is no prohibition on reading material critical of the Church
The Church encourages its members not to purchase anti-Mormon propaganda, for this only contributes money to their cause.
[so we shouldn't be supporting Pastor McCullough with clicks or contributions. ]
However, there is no prohibition on reading material critical of the Church. In the Ensign, the Church's official magazine, the question was asked, "Some people say it is best to leave alone materials that claim to 'expose' the Church and its teachings. What counsel has been given on this? How do we respond when a friend comes to us with questions found in such materials?" The reply given included these recommendations:
[Cautions about those who sell material aiming to destroy the Church] must not be interpreted to mean that the Church is against honest scholarship or has anything to fear or hide. Nor does the Church ban literature, but Latter-day Saints should be wise in choosing what to read.
This cautionary counsel should not be misconstrued to justify laziness on our part in seeking answers, or giving glib, superficial replies when someone sincerely wants to know the truth after being exposed to anti-LDS material. Church critics and enemies should not be permitted to make what Elder Neal A. Maxwell of the Quorum of the Twelve has sometimes called "uncontested slam dunks."
Latter-day Saints should be sufficiently grounded in their testimonies and knowledge of Church doctrine and history that they can answer questions in a non-contentious and informative way. Elder Marvin J. Ashton of the Quorum of the Twelve has instructed Church members not to retaliate against attacks. "We encourage all our members to refuse to become anti-anti-Mormon," he said (Ensign, Nov. 1992, p. 63). Paul taught that coming to Christ requires "speaking the truth in love" (Eph. 4:15). The First Presidency has encouraged Church members to convey their response to questions and criticism "in the form of a positive explanation of the doctrines and practices of the Church."[1]
Members should invite those with questions about Church doctrine and practices to read latter-day scriptures and to study the restored gospel, thus tasting the gospel fruit for themselves. Only then will they know "whether it be of God" (John 7:17).
When members lack answers, they should learn what Church leaders and reputable scholars have said and written. There is probably no charge against the Church that has not been adequately refuted by someone. When members can’t find answers on their own, they can turn to home and visiting teachers, quorum leaders, bishops, and stake presidents...Those willing to take time to research anti-LDS claims can find answers.[2] end quote...
personally I find that the biggest problem with the youth is that the old farts in the Church lived and live a life of lazy learning and have never taken the time to stand up to the anti-Mormons ~ and worse ~ most can't, because they haven't done their homework. ... so , the problem is that when the youth need help the old farts are not able to help them. ... all though there are some of us old ones who have been fighting this battle our whole lives ... but the laborers are few. ... pray ye therefore for more brothers like Bro Alexander. ... peace.
Thank you for providing those scriptures.
I appreciate the info you posted! It was very informative. (I also agree that we should not fund PJ’s UA-cam channel.)
It is easy. Just feel what the Spirit tell us. And, yes, David, we have to be aware that the devil works not always coming at front but from behind in a soft and sutil manner. Just let the Holly Ghost confirm what you wisely said.
David, Thank You!
Sometimes we need a rock to hit us. Some are hard nuts to crack. I have a former Baptist friend who said so. But I can tell you for a fact that they have been known to crack. We just need to keep praying for them. I have known hearts to soften because of someone’s good example. They see that, and want what we have. It may not even happen until after this life, but they will know. I welcome anyone as a person themselves, but it’s very true, we have to stand beside the Savior, and follow His prophets.
And there are some that do not crack, no matter if you keep praying for them or not. It's our job to pray, but it is not our job to give people false hope. ~ some will not crack, no matter what kind of example you set for them.
@@harryabelpotter9630 I guess we can’t really say one way or the other. Heavenly Father knows our hearts, no one else does but the Lord. and thank goodness it’s up to him and the Lord, and not us. I just know that they never give up on us.
You are spot on, Bro. David. I speak this from a place of knowledge, not ignorance. I hope people listen.
I know pastor Jeff is-bout to preach bis gospel to LDS under the quite of connecting bridges
It annoys me that he has put out his own "Come Follow Me" lessons on his channel. That is a huge sign that he is evangelizing Saints. I didn't listen to any of those specific videos. The only one I listened to previously was full of a little bit of LDS belief and a whole lot of his own reasons why we are wrong. He IS nice about it, but he is still preaching directly to convert Saints. Thus, the name of his channel.
One positive. Someone posted that they decided to come to our church because of those videos. So, that off road for some might be an on road to another.
exactly - he's not preaching to his congregation
Maybe he likes the structure of Come Follow Me. I have several family and friends following along with what we are reading, since it's New Testament there is a lot of common ground.
@@BrianTerrill no, it's his way to insert himself into searches and into LDS conversations
@@SaxSpy so what, the more people talk about us the faster we grow
@ruthtautuaa1303 - I totally agree with what you've said. He's taking our own material like "Come Follow Me" and trying to use it against us. This is an orchestrated move.
How many times has Brother David Alexander talked about staying on the Covenant path. I believe we should. We don't need to be mean to anyone just listen to our prophets, follow their example.
Thank you David Again…love you Brah 🌸💛
Pastor Jeff's strategy is to take everything precious and sacred to Latter-Day Saints such as The Book of Mormon, "Come Follow Me", going to General Conference, attending temple open houses, etc and then uses that to spin his own web and snare mostly on-the-edge Latter-Day Saints and ex-Latter Day-Saints with a vendetta. Apparently his own material isnt enticing enough. Jumping on the "refuting The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints bandwagon" but the twist is it's being done in nice, friendly innocent seeming way. It seems to be quite a lucrative moneymaker for him. Ca-ching ca-ching🤑🤑🤑.
Well said, David. People who know a lot about the restored gospel of Jesus Christ but do not honestly search for its truth have pride issues.
PJ is an offramp to the covenant path that leads to the sweet joy of the gospel.
P. Jeff does have the light of Christ, just not the gift of the Holy Ghost. I still will be interested in how he does living in Utah .. Our HF may have plans for him, possibly softening his heart but I not going to judge him, I'm just not listening to him . I know what I know, and this beautiful restored Gospel has changed my life. The Restored Church of Jesus Christ! What a blessing, truth restored.!
Thank you David
The timing of having David at a time when an evangelist pastor is low-key trying to school us on "the correct Jesus" is divine design.
At first I was excited to see and listen to a pastor take curiosity in our doctrine. He sounded so sincere and *fair* (emphasis on "fair")
I first noticed he's scolding when he did come follow me with those two ladies from her Church. I noticed that this was a mission to save Later-Day Saints, something like, "Oh those Mormons are so lost, we need to teach them truth with kindness and love." That's not what they actually said, but if you watch that video you will feel that self righteous spirit.
I do not claim that our Church is perfect and that it is beyond criticism, certainly we have many faults and we still have a lot to improve, but it seems like all that Pastor Jeff sees is that we are wrong and we need him to correct us using the Bible.
I don't like the spirit of contention that is brewing within the Saints who wholeheartedly support Pastor Jeff and the Saints who have a problem with his curious sincere camouflage. I understand that the presenter from Cwic show wants to maintain respect and tolerance, but I would listen to our leaders everyday, and any day over a Pastor who profits off curiosity and keeping his audience on a cliffhanger.
Perfect response! I love how ppl that have never been evangelical think they understand Jeff and evangelicalism better than you.
David, thank you for your great site. Please sit closer to your microphone. It is not loud enough. Thank you for your great insight.
One thing that stands out to me in all this is that in my recent calling as seminary teacher we are counseled often to use divinely appointed sources which we consider the prophets and apostles, the scriptures which include the bible AND Book of Mormon, pearl of great price, DnC, conference talks etc and anything else approved of by first presidency...our leaders do teach us to b kind to ppl like pastor jeff and find the good but he is Not considered a divine source. We love him bc he does appear to want to understand and he puts a good face on evangelical Christianity but part of this reminds me of a mormonad...mormonads are little ads designed for our youth that present an excellent point...in the particular ad I'm thinking of it is designed to teach the youth that although some movies or TV shows have some bad things in them those things can still b harmful despite how good the movie seems or how popular it might be...the photo shows a scoop or two of ice cream with a big bug in it and it says it's so good...except the bad parts...this is not verbatim...there are always scripture references to these also...
Solid David
DAlex - you are far better equipped to help us understand the struggles of evangelical Christianity than PJ.
Thanks David for your accurate representation of Jeff. You are correct and it has been somewhat to my amazement, your understanding of priesthood authority by someone who correctly read and understood the teachings of the Bible. Which many or seemly most pastors of religion take it (priesthood authority) upon themselves, not called of God as was Aaron. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints BOLDLY declares their authority the same way the original church did. I learned a long time ago you always challenge jurisdiction and authority of unknown persons who would claim it. They should be able to show where proper authority came from. I watched Jeff a time or two but felt as you do he had nothing legitimate to offer. Thank you for your testimony.
Thank you! Yes! I felt the same.
Great video. You used the language of evanglism to describe the story of Phillip. "Called to serve widows" = " ordained to the Aaronic Priesthood". Now it is translated into the language of the culture of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
My concern with some of these who are voicing concern with the analysis about pastor Jeff and the driving into the Later Day Saints "true" doctrine is what I heard one of them say paraphrasing if someone chooses to leave the Church and it is no concern of mine that is their choice.
I myself am exreamely saddened and worried for those who choose to accept the watered down gospel of mainstream Christianity. I also have a deep desire to help resolve the concerns or address that root cause of them making that choice. I believe that is the attitude our father in heaven wishes us to have. Not the attitude of well it is no concern to me.
As taught in 1 Corinthians we are one body as members of the Church and all are needed. Loosing one part will cause the body not to function as it should.
We should do all we can to strengthen all of our brothers and sisters in the church and out of the Church. And encourage them to put off the world and become like Jesus Christ that we all may be like him at the last day.
Amen David. Many nephites were deceived by Nehor in the Book of Mormon because he was very good with the language and manipulated them with lies about the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Thank you!! Love your channel and testimony. PLEASE MAKE YOUR VIDEOS LOUDER FOR WE WHO ARE TECH DORKS and can't figure out how to make them louder. I have all my volumes maxed out and I'm a tiny bit deaf. I don't use earphones. THANKS!!!!
We don't need decades of experience in other churches to understand what Jeff's motivations are. All that is needed is a little understanding of the scriptures and the influence of the Spirit. The gift of discernment is a very valuable and important spiritual gift in these situations. I don't think Jeff has convinced a single faithful LDS member that he has any authority to declare the truth. I watch his videos to get an outside perspective on the Church. The topics he discusses motivate me to study the scriptures and gain a deeper knowledge of the truth as revealed by the Spirit. I comment on his videos, as do others, to correct misunderstandings and to open up the truth in the scriptures to anyone who may read.
My hope for Jeff is that regardless of his motivations, through this experience, God can perform miracles and eventually lead him to the truth. It worked for Saul. It worked for Zeezrom, Alma, and many others.
"No unhallowed hand can stop the work from progressing."
I'm not aware of any slogan that says: "What would Paul do?". The slogan is: "What would Jesus do?".
Some strong language here, but probably needed. I don't know Pastor Jeff's exact age, but it's interesting that David's experience with evangelicalism is, it seems to me, longer than Jeff has been alive. I believe Pastor Jeff when he says that the Holy Spirit moved him to create his channel, but I think the reasons He prompted him to do so are beyond anything any of us can conceive of, including Pastor Jeff. Because of that, if nothing else, I'm curious to see where the Lord leads him.
Sorry, correction, disappointed in Luke, not Jacob. Luke is a precocious little boy in love with the notion of his sudo intellect. He’ll grow up eventually, hopefully.
Another question for him
"Do you believe Grace
is all-powerful? How
can it fail to save all
"whosoever believeth
in Him"... Jesus of
the Bible (not the
creeds defined after
James Peter etc were
martyred)?
My perspective: Pastor Jeff's videos appear to be a window for protestants to better understand LDS Christians, when in reality it's just a protestant pastors missionary efforts to convert LDS Christians/former LDS Christians.
In one of his first videos, he mentioned that a friend in Utah told him there was something interesting about the culture in Utah. I think Pastor saw an opportunity with the members who were experiencing faith crisis to "save them" and bring them to protestant Christianity.
This became clear as day with his last video talking about his family moving to Utah to run a church.
I also feel like he isn't really listening anymore. It became apparent in his critique of Brad Wilcox's talk "His Grace is Sufficient".
Something felt very weird about the video because he was hiking and kept acting like "I'm just hiking and telling you my honest thoughts" when in fact it's him setting up his camera, capturing footage of himself hiking and then moving on to the next scenic spot. It really felt like a show because he just put in videos of himself pondering.
He's still a great guy and wish him the best. Honestly I'd rather there be more Christians than Atheist's so if he can help former members at least gain a testimony of Jesus Christ then I think we are better off.
he's not aimed at exmos, in fact he follows exmo accounts
@@SaxSpy I did not know that but believe it. I know early on he mentioned that had heard of lot of these criticisms but was going to avoid them in order learn what a faithful perspective was.
@@D-Flin he doesnt follow the church account even 🤷♂️ so much for curiosity
@@SaxSpy where are you seeing this information?
If you're called a pastor you shoud be worried about your herd. In the LDS church we're established as GOD's church. Best organized Church as will be in the milenial time. God goes ahead of time. Eventhough pastor Jeff looks and sound charismatic he doesn't know what we know. Also as David said it: it's all about the gift of the Holy Ghost and the power of the Holy Priesthood. Again, God's church should be working in order and accion as we are commanded. Please don't waste your time empowering partial true or personal entertainment, let's live the Gospel accordingly looking forward for the second comming of our Great Redeemer and Savior Jesuschrist. As my 42 years been LDS member I can see that whatever this Church touches and blesses with the Holy Priesthood, it becomes enriched and blessed. Even some others religios liders make a living out of it.!
Ignore David at your own peril ! He KNOWS what he speaks of !
Warning, those were going off as I watched Pastor Jeff’s videos. Spirit jewel promptings led me to stop. When I described it to my better half, she instantly warned me about Pastor Jeff and she has never even watched a video, only heard my description.
Bravo, Luke Hansen!!! 👏🏻
David, great video and thoughts. Are you currently state-side?
The scripture references is articles of faith 13 for the mormonad.
David, please turn your volume up ! It's not easy to hear you, especially from a distance from the computer........sound seems very low.
Pastor Jeff is building off ramps and charging tolls to do it
Can you provide us a link to the "Cory" video? Would be interested in listening to it...
👍🏻 Good video David.
I have to say, though, I fear and see a pretty nasty result of this pitting Latter-Day Saints up against each other kind of like "and their hearts were stirred up one against another, brother against brother". I get that everyone wants to support each other, give each other the benefit of the doubt and hope, and its a crazy rollercoaster ride, and I guess thats the benefit of having a prophet, that when thing errupt God speaks with him to steer everyone back. Some are offended their aide isnt taken and they become bitter and leave, some are better sports to admit they were wrong and acknowledge the prophet is right and God talks with him about this and they need to align themselves with the beacon, with the lighthouse on the shore, but its painfully obvious this is going to become a nasty topic. The Church is definitely different today than in Joseph Smiths time where they were bold and today we're more diplomatic in our speech, but theres an erruption bubbling up amonst the Saints right now thats pitting brother against brother. The Church is under attack, we need unity more than division. The fact of the matter is, both sides are right. I think Latter-Day Saints want to give Jeff McCollough the benefit of the doubt that for once we can get along with those that dont agree with us, that someone wants to legitimately study us like a frozen cavemen and learn what Latter-Day Saints are about. Some think, as was said, that Pastor Jeff will read 3 Nephi 11 and have this frand spiritual moment where God will tell him and he'll be changed, but I think you'd be wrong. God prepares those a little at a time. People have to be in place and in position, and maybe Jeff moving to Utah, as his move almost fell through, the house deal unraveled. Was that making an attempt to preserve his vineyard? Who knows. Was it an adviserial attempt to stop him knowing hes now in the middle of the Lords vineyard and thus more likely to be prepared at a faster rate? Would it be ignorant of me to write this and him out looking for the critiques of his work to produce more appealing content? Yes it would be. I actually used to get likes on comments posted on his channel, that have since stopped, but it could very well be God might be preparing him, but he knows we think that because he reads our comments. So, we want to give him the benefit of the doubt hes at least trying to treat us differently and be civil, because its flattering.
But, David is right too. Pastor Jeff says himself he has NO INTENT TO CONVERT. Many have asked him to pray to know if the Book of Mormon is true and to have understanding. Pastor Jeff simply says "I pray for truth". Hes not motivated to convert, Greg Madsen is very clear on his position that Latter-Day Saints have it wrong. Theres a curiosity to know about us, sure, it appeals to us but also helps him teach his congregation how we think and operate too. And, like David said, Latter-day Saints are an untapped resource. Youll never catch them sitting on a pue in a church emptying their pocket into a collection plate, Latter-day Saints are some of the stingiest people on the planet because they have their bills, then their tithing for their many kids, then college funds for those many kids, Latter-day Saints have to be tighter with their spending, but this is a non-threatening collection plate, Davids right. Preach to the Mormons, they dont pay into a collection plate, heck, theyre getting to where they dont pay tithing in their own church and are now demanding the money they did pay into tithing back (Greg Madsen on Cwic Media did a video about that). This is going to turn into conflict between brother and brother when we dont have time for this. Davids right, listen to the man, but test his fruits, keep the guard up but see if he holds to his word. The other thing is, the best way to get to know someone is take it all away and see they react. If nobody were pay into Patreon anymore and the money isnt there to sustain it, do they remain the same because the principle is the same, or its no longer profitable so they either just quit or become enraged. I didnt know he was getting that much money, maybe I ought to have a UA-cam channel. I figured LDS were as stingy as always but watching.
People, its not worth the fight amonst yourselves. Hes not going to convert to the Church, hes adimant about that. He wants a better dialogue, more civility, but hes still very much for his faith and it would make him extremely happy to see someone jump ship. He was very sympathetic toward the guy that used to work for Vice amd left the Church, he took that side, not why he couldnt understand whyd hed leave the church when his learnings of the church and people were so inviting. He even did a dialogue with the former LDS Missionary that left the Church, theyre buddies now, its a win for Jeff McCollough. Be nice to others of other faiths. Remain respectful, because the Church in its day were treated horribly and they didnt like it, just Joseph Smith taught "We claim the right to worship Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, we also allow others the same privilege" so, remain respectful, but his channel is to be observed and watched, not taken. Im surprised Latter-day Saints are paying a Pastor they wouldnt do otherwise, HE JUST BOUGHT A NEW HOUSE while members of the church struggle in and outside of Utah and it was Latter-Day Saint money to help pay for that and the move, its a new collection plate.
We have David Alexander that just spent 47 years in that side of the world. Theres knowledge and wisdom and experience there we dont know and see. In my field of work, I was told to stop being so trusting because it was clouding my judgement, that people exist to take advantage of you, while this man, who Greg Madsen actually praised, how I heard of him, has been converted, an honest man who was changed through being prepared. So, you can have both, but keep that spirit in mind and be mindful of things that feel off, the red flags. And yes, you wouldnt go to a protestant church and drop money into the collection plate, some might to be nice, but I didnt know, it hadnt occured to me that was happening, because Latter-day Saints are LDS, the gospel shouldnt be sold for money, its not ours to sell. If some want to fly him out to see conference or something, sure, but if his goal is what it is, thats his journey, not funded like Billy Graham who has two jets while his mega church sits in poverty with no help from him, my father whose a convert, still holds to this day the Catholic Church is built by the adversary, that its his church, and Protestants are those lying in wait to deceive, because he lived without the gospel in his life and had a confirmation of his testimony and he wont deny it. He seems to agree with former endowment presentation and tells me about it when we go, he feels it vital for his children to know how its changed because theres still diamonds in that all. We've just become more diplomatic because feelings are easier hurt these days so, now Im getting off track and lost, and if its any longer UA-cam will tell me "Not a vaid arguement" and reject my response, but I fear and can see this subject is going to cause conflict and fight brother against brother, which shouldnt be happening at this point when so many are leaving Christianity as a whole, its not where we want to be. So, I guess we'll see if my "argument is not relevant" or "not a valid argument" I get that a lot with such long reponses but, its a deep subject with a lot to say that sub points too so, we'll see......
I guess I just care about us all….I pray for everyone to find the truth, including Pastor Jeff. I hope he will respect our beliefs as well as we respect basic Christianity….no criticisms on either side. The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is basic Christianity plus just adds more that Christ has taught us, and adminished us to do.
The Church is a lot more than just basic Christianity plus just adds more of what Christ taught. The key s of Athority have been restored! Remember the Christians history- with out the priesthood keys? 😢 I care about us all too. I pray for the world too. Christ died for the world but he taught " as one having Athority " because he did. It matters. In fact it makes all the difference! If we really love them we will be the teacher. Because we are the only one's with the Athority- with out these truths there is no Salvation or Exaltation. "... how great the need to make these things know unto the children of man.." Christ did not spend time being taught of the Saducees and Pharisees not even to build a bridge. He taught the humble. Those willing to exercise faith in what He had to say. His pattern is our guide.
@@safrew1 I have been taught that there is salvation for the believers in Christ. Just not exaltation. The Celestial Kingdom is for those who want to progress further. The three degrees of glory save almost everyone from eternal torment. God would not be just if that was not so. We choose where we want to be in the next life. And it is not over until we make our final choices. I know someone who died in a different religion, and one of our bishops who is very close to the veil said that he and one other are very happy. His had overcome a smoking habit finally, cancer had humbled him, and his temple work got done a year after he died. I know that he may have had a struggle for a time there, but it is much better on the other side, and he is now doing well, and sealed in marriage. God gave him more chances, he had lived a very good and responsible life, had done a lot for others, had integrity, and was just not ready to espouse the church until he could truly live all of the teachings. Even one who has committed serious sins has chances to repent. That is why we have a Savior. We have all sinned and come short of the glory of God. As for him, a doctor many years ago had misled him about pipe smoking, when they did not know as much about it….I won’t text what he said, it was a misunderstanding of the truth, but the doctor caused him to fear the withdrawal. But when he quit, and got treatment, he said it was nothing compared to the cancer. He wanted to tell EVERYONE about that!! Of course, much happiness and deep joy comes from accepting all that Christ has to offer us now. Not without trials!! But we can be truly happy in this life if we choose to do that….much happier than if we do not listen to the prophet. He knows the way. And we need to be with those who lift and encourage us to that end. All I can say is Amen 🙏. God loves his children, he wants to help all of us to do the best we can, as we have our choices. Our freedom is the key. He and Christ gave us that, and he gave us guidance!! Obedience is freeing!! I think that the best is to have our will swallowed up in the will of the Father. Or try to do the will of the Father, for he is our Father in heaven.
Thanks for sharing Lukes letter. I have asked, if Satan were to present himself to the Saints, would he look more like Jeff Durbin or Jeff McCullough?
Not accusing...
Just wondering...
Martin Luther was dismayed that so many sects splintered off from his disagreement with what the Catholic Church was doing at the time.
Martin Luther (1517) was dismayed that the whole world didn't bow down to him.
Pastor Jeff is still holding on to heresies designed to distance us from God and who exactly we are and the doctrines important for gaining salvation.
I see Pastor Jeff as a wolf in sheeps clothing. As long as you know this, you can interact with him in a more effective way.
Figuratively, he is waiting to pounce. You need a strong defense, or you can go on the offense.
Phillip did have the authority to baptize just not to confer the Holy Ghost. That's why the people of Samaria didn't have to be baptized again. Peter and John came to confirm them.
This is based on the separation of priesthood authority, not the lack of it.
With that said, a better example would be Apollos who was teaching but only knew the baptism of John till shown the more perfect way but left Paul with a handful of people who had to be baptized again.
You are absolutely right David, why waste our time listening to a deceiver, we have so much to study and learn from the true Gospel. I respectfully want to say something to the young man who wrote this letter. The reality is that everybody’s testimony is fragile no matter who you are. We learn in the Temple that our body and spirit needs constant nourishment, if we don’t nourish our spirit with the truth constantly like we nourish our body in a daily basis we will lose our child like faith and testimony. That’s why the scriptures admonish us to watch and pray always that we won’t be deceived. Thanks for being the watchman on the tower warning us of the real dangers that are out there.
I think Jeff is more of the class we might term , "of the deceived" not so much "a deceiver"