Thank you Professor Pappe, I am 84 yrs old and in 1947 I saw the Pathe News film in my Cinema, Palestinians, old, young, babies, mothers and some men arriving at the borders of Gaza and forced into Gaza by Israelis at the point of their bayonets. I was appalled and told my father and mother what I had seen. Mum was a Christian Zionist and approved what was happening. My father, an ex soldier had been in Palestine said, Son, it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees, those Palestinians can trace their ancestry for over 80 generations, the Zionists only 5 generations. The Palestinians will never leave whilst they still have life in their bodies! He was right. If the Zionists are successful in Gaza they will also gain the oil and gas reserves off the coast which are worth 70 billion dollars. That never gets much coverage in the Media. Ed Freegard
Ed - the Israelis are already exploiting the coastal oil and gas reserves. The mainstream media never mentions it but that's one reason why there has been a blockade for many years and Gazans can't travel by sea. Becky the Israelis are exploiting their oil.
@@lulzhh5177 My father saw what the British Empire was doing to the Palestinians. Balfour was prime minister in 1905 when the UK passed the Aliens Act which was designed to make it difficult for Eastern European Jews to come to the UK. The act was supported by many wealthy British Jews who had positions of power and influence, they feared the effects on their status of huge numbers of of ordinary Jews who did not speak English and would be a threat to the jobs of British workers and be a cause of riots. That is why the influential Jews supported sending them somewhere else. The leaders of the Jewish community were not pro Zionist. Lord Rothschild, one of the wealthiest men in Europe, was in favor of creating a colony in Palestine because he would make money. These are some of the reasons why the Balfour Declaration letter was sent to him.
The media will not report facts, this present conflict genocide is all about the gas and oil off Gaz I’ve been saying this over a year now, this is what ZUSisrael want to donate all the Middle East to gain control f their oil and gas. Israel want to normalise relations with the Arrabsnwho have the majority of resources while committing genocide to get the poorer states to steal their lands and resources, if Arab wealthy states do not stop USisrael UK allies from doing this they will be next in line as the Zionist US UK Germany France Italy Netherlands all want the gas and oil, as they stopped buying Russian resources. Because US said not to.. US is desperate all they have right now are Opium and weapons for its allies. Israel needs to be sent home, as it’s failing it’s exams. It will be a war another 70+ years if not.
@@lynnez8352never forget that they called them terrorists the whole time so they could bypass and justify their own violence. Ditto Nelson Mandela and the ANC…
I took part in the occupation of the LSE administration building in 1986 against LSE investment in South Africa, meeting inspirational visitors like the late, great David Kitson. Eventually we prevailed but the forces against protest are far greater these days so I’m humbled by, and immensely proud of students making a stand now. Venceremos ✊🏼
"The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man" is a phrase used to refer to a fundamental problem confronting Zionist ambitions to found a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
I hope to attend a lecture from Professor PAPPE ❤ Excellent historian ...love hs book.. Iam currently reading Lobbying for zionist in both side of the Atlantic..Excellent so far. Palestine will be free ❤
10:44 Elon, Elon, Elon Pepe. I wish you good health. I’m almost 94 and I have watched this tragedy from 1948 until now and learned a lot from you and from Alfred Lilienthal. If you remember his one of the early books did I read on this? What price Israel and the other side of the coin and I it was in a group that invited him to lecture here and bring a film on the on the subject and this encouraged me to stay with the truth, and how Israel gained all of Palestine over the years these men like Alfred Lilienthal and Ilan Pepe are my heroes and they bring the truth and they bring the best future for Israelis and Palestinians. I wish them millions of listeners especially Israeli
I’ve just finished Ilan Pappe The biggest Prison in 5he world and I’m reading Ilan Pappe the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, both very informative as always. He’s my hero, I was born 1944.
@@hinahinananoha7783Most people around the world would call it freedom fight against European zio colonialism. Most of us would fight against occupation, so very understandable🤔
Thank you very much to all involved in organising and convening this vital event. Thank you to all academic staff at LSE and other neighbouring unis, thank you to all the students for your courage, steadfastness and commitment to justice and the liberation of Palestine. A huge thank you to Prof Ilan Pappe whose intellectual integrity, rigour, activism, books, papers and every other contribution are all priceless! An invaluable legacy to the inalienable and unassailable liberation struggle of Palestinians 🕯❤️🇵🇸❤️🕯
@@hinahinananoha7783 Lol zionists like you really amaze me with your determination to repeating hasbara lies over and over again, even when the whole world does not believe you any more. That some determination if you ask me.
36:00 I've used nearly the exact same analogy for years about the United states. The main difference is rather than saying the system is built on a cracked foundation, I say that it is built on a moldy, rotten foundation. The reason I make the distinction is that not only are the issues foundational and structural, but that it also makes those inside it sick, as well as being the cause of spread of the rot to the other structures it interacts with.
Thank you very much for this talk. I am sending this Video and other videos with Prof. Pappe around to my friends in germany. When can I buy Prof. Pappes books in german language?
No, it wasn’t! Palestine was already recognized as a country by most of the countries in the world before Ireland did. Over 140 countries already recognized it. And there are countries that never recognized IsraHell as a country, so Ireland is on the right path, but still has a very long way to go.
It is the majority of us vs sociopaths and psychopaths. Those kinds are attracted to positions of power - police forces, law offices, political seats are chock full of them.
I was born and raised in Baden Wurttemberg - I think it's one of the most brilliant ideas, to hand that country over to the Zionists; if this could end the horrors in Palestine. Really, I mean it. I love Ilan Pappé.
Funny! There are so many spots on earth which are 'land without a people', like the Sahara, the Gobi and there are even 10 more in Astralia. Let the taleted Israelites make the deserts bloom! This would benefit the whole of humidity.
I am living in Baden Württemberg and I am certainly not an Antisemite but I would not fancy the idea of having Zionist settlers in my neighbourhood. For one thing this state is already too densely populated… Bavaria would be a perfect place with the Alpes and may lakes and some friendly traditional people…
@@Cécile-v3m I thought Kurt's suggestion was evacuating all people currently living in Baden Wurttemberg...the deal is off. On a more serious note, I don't think encouraging Israelis and Palestinians to believe any of us is ever going away is useful, it's only prolonging the suffering. There are currently around 7.5 million jews and 7.5 million palestinians from the river to the sea. Not enough of either side will leave, die, or dramatically change culturally. We must find ways to live peacefully together in a one democratic state or two states.
I was thinking Benny Morris is not a true historian, but he truly is so funny.😂 “The Palestinians look at everything from a broad, long-term perspective,” he said in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Haaretz in 2019. “They see that, at the moment, there are five-six-seven million Jews here, surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs. They have no reason to give in, because the Jewish state can’t last. They are bound to win. In another 30 to 50 years they will overcome us, come what may.”
Ilan is also a liar. He talks about ethnic cleansing. Palestine population is either times bigger in gaza and west bank and ten times inside Israel. After partision plan 200 k Muslims stayed. So Israel didn't expeled nobody. Arab leaders told to 750 k to evacuate. They flee with keys house. Arab states promessed they could come back after two weeks after genocide of Jews in the war
Thank you so much Mr Professor Pappe for expressing your views. I agree we the people of the world have the power to make changes in Palestine. God will do justice soon
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
They lie I’m afraid they do nothing to make this happen but support genocide of Palestinians, they are Zionists onl for themselves never the people. Their subjects they call them.
I do not agree that illegal settlements amount to loss of land. One or 2 states the real and personal property confiscated from needs to be returned or compensation paid.
I hate when speakers say 2 state is dead because settlers will not move- land rights of owners should be respected 1or 2 state and these were rules set by UN
This so move me to tears, imagine all those great sufferings unimaginable and all lives lost, structures destroyed, what have we learned from our thousands of years living on this earth, with all those advance techs and all, we just use just to suppress others rather that help them
In most of Africa it is a sacrilege to point your left hand at your fathers town;but there is also a saying that says”TO SAVE YOUR FATHERS TOWN YOU WILL HAVE TO POINT YOUR LEFT HAND AT YOUR FATHERS TOWN”
A Ben Gurion Quote in his later years says it all. "I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
I don’t see the point of taking 3 questions at a time. The questions often tend to be long and Pappe’s answers tend to be long also. Please, one question a time.
The expulsion of Palestinians to Gaza created the conditions whereby Israel could plausibly claim that the armed resistance were forced to use the dense civilian population as 'human shields'. Not as if Israeli doesn't use Palestinians the same way! Only Israel's guilty amnesia about it's own role in this enables it get away with blaming the victims.
Sorry, I thought this was about the Arab invasion of the Holy Lands in the 7th Century AD when they killed much of the original population of Christians and jews and when many of the survivors fled to Europe. The remaining Christians and jews had to pay a tax muslims did not have to pay to keep their religion, such that poor Christians and jews had to convert to survive.
To maintain an Army you need money. The non Muslims are citizens and enjoy all the benefits of a citizen. He does not contribute anything for the free benefits of the citizen. So a very small tax is levied on him for his protection from outside enemies and for the free benefits of a citizen. I hope you understood.😊
@@WerewolfAsh - The invaded always understands the invaders will kill, exile, torture and oppress them. The point is the taxes were not levied equally for the survivors of the Arab invasion - i.e. none for muslims - and was a forced way of converting the poor people. It was after all, the land of the jews and Christians, yet they were being taxed to stay on it.
@@johnwoods7650 you are wrong. Muslims didn't kill any of the Arabs living in the Roman and Persian occupied Arab world in the 7th century. They entered peacefully. They allowed the Jews long exiled from Palestine and Jerusalem by the Romans to return and live in there again. As for tax, the muslims paid their own tax which is called Zakat, and in many cases this was more than the tax paid by the Jews and Christians which was called Jizya. Moreover, priests, women, children, the poor and not working of the Jews, Christians, Zoraostrians who lived under Muslim rule were exempt from Jizya. Read history before you write again.
@TAlkaseer - It wasn't Arab land and they weren't Arabs. You Arabs were the invaders. As for Arab 'benevolence', I seem to remember you were taxing Christians and Jews to live in their own lands. The ones you didn't kill or enslave that is. In some places in Syria and Iraq some Arabs haven't changed.
@@johnwoods7650The inhabitants of the Arab world under Roman and Persian rule were Arabs, who were Christian mostly. They fought with those empires against the Muslim Arabs who were invading from Arabia. They continued to inhabit those lands under Muslim Arab rule and remained Christian and occupied high ranks in the Caliphates that followed. Go look up the Nabateans, The Ghassanids, The Lakhmids, etc. The problem with western foreigners for whom race is a big thing, which isn't in the East, is they project their racial hierarchist/essentialist worldviews onto the East and naively confuse race and religion. For them/you the Arabs are Muslims, and the Christians of the East were not Arabs because they weren't Muslims. As a result, you really shaft our Christians, denying either their Arab or Christian identity, when in fact, they are the original Christians and adhere to a much truer version of Christianity than whatever abomination Europeans made Christianity into - a religion of racial supremacy and eternal war.
Thank you Professor Pappe, I am 84 yrs old and in 1947 I saw the Pathe News film in my Cinema, Palestinians, old, young, babies, mothers and some men arriving at the borders of Gaza and forced into Gaza by Israelis at the point of their bayonets. I was appalled and told my father and mother what I had seen. Mum was a Christian Zionist and approved what was happening. My father, an ex soldier had been in Palestine said, Son, it is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees, those Palestinians can trace their ancestry for over 80 generations, the Zionists only 5 generations. The Palestinians will never leave whilst they still have life in their bodies! He was right.
If the Zionists are successful in Gaza they will also gain the oil and gas reserves off the coast which are worth 70 billion dollars. That never gets much coverage in the Media. Ed Freegard
Ed - the Israelis are already exploiting the coastal oil and gas reserves. The mainstream media never mentions it but that's one reason why there has been a blockade for many years and Gazans can't travel by sea. Becky the Israelis are exploiting their oil.
*because* not Becky!!
I loved your comment. What your father said.
@@lulzhh5177 My father saw what the British Empire was doing to the Palestinians. Balfour was prime minister in 1905 when the UK passed the Aliens Act which was designed to make it difficult for Eastern European Jews to come to the UK. The act was supported by many wealthy British Jews who had positions of power and influence, they feared the effects on their status of huge numbers of of ordinary Jews who did not speak English and would be a threat to the jobs of British workers and be a cause of riots. That is why the influential Jews supported sending them somewhere else. The leaders of the Jewish community were not pro Zionist. Lord Rothschild, one of the wealthiest men in Europe, was in favor of creating a colony in Palestine because he would make money. These are some of the reasons why the Balfour Declaration letter was sent to him.
The media will not report facts, this present conflict genocide is all about the gas and oil off Gaz I’ve been saying this over a year now, this is what ZUSisrael want to donate all the Middle East to gain control f their oil and gas. Israel want to normalise relations with the Arrabsnwho have the majority of resources while committing genocide to get the poorer states to steal their lands and resources, if Arab wealthy states do not stop USisrael UK allies from doing this they will be next in line as the Zionist US UK Germany France Italy Netherlands all want the gas and oil, as they stopped buying Russian resources. Because US said not to.. US is desperate all they have right now are Opium and weapons for its allies. Israel needs to be sent home, as it’s failing it’s exams. It will be a war another 70+ years if not.
“It is not those who inflict the most, but those who can endure the most who will prevail.” Terence McSwiney, Lord Mayor of Cork. 🇮🇪🇵🇸
@@brendanfranceslee4894 d'accordo ... das Boot
800 years of English oppression and colonisation of the Irish. Free today after much heart-breaking sacrifice on the part of the Irish people.
@@lynnez8352never forget that they called them terrorists the whole time so they could bypass and justify their own violence. Ditto Nelson Mandela and the ANC…
What a man! I really appreciate his courage and honesty. Good man
Be sure he and honesty are not a good friends...!!!
@sergey, what a load of crock!!!
@OldTeaMate lmao..the second name of Ilan Pappe is a load of crock...and rebranded nazis eat it with the joy..!
One of the great historians of our time. We need his voice so much right now.
Thank you Professor Pappe for expressing your views. I agree we the people of the world have the power to make changes in Palestine.
Respect to Ilan Pappé, you always give us hope!! thank you
Thank you for your tireless work in these dark times. Victory to the Palestinian people indeed ❤
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I took part in the occupation of the LSE administration building in 1986 against LSE investment in South Africa, meeting inspirational visitors like the late, great David Kitson. Eventually we prevailed but the forces against protest are far greater these days so I’m humbled by, and immensely proud of students making a stand now. Venceremos ✊🏼
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Amazing humans, like Pappe, Said, Khalidi, Finkelstein. With the spirit of these people, the palestinian victory will be achieved
He is so eloquent and brave - how good to hear Ilan Pappé.
Excellent talk, thank you for organising and hosting.
"The bride is beautiful, but she is married to another man" is a phrase used to refer to a fundamental problem confronting Zionist ambitions to found a Jewish homeland in Palestine.
I hope to attend a lecture from Professor PAPPE ❤
Excellent historian ...love hs book..
Iam currently reading Lobbying for zionist in both side of the Atlantic..Excellent so far.
Palestine will be free ❤
10:44 Elon, Elon, Elon Pepe. I wish you good health. I’m almost 94 and I have watched this tragedy from 1948 until now and learned a lot from you and from Alfred Lilienthal. If you remember his one of the early books did I read on this? What price Israel and the other side of the coin and I it was in a group that invited him to lecture here and bring a film on the on the subject and this encouraged me to stay with the truth, and how Israel gained all of Palestine over the years these men like Alfred Lilienthal and Ilan Pepe are my heroes and they bring the truth and they bring the best future for Israelis and Palestinians. I wish them millions of listeners especially Israeli
I’ve just finished Ilan Pappe The biggest Prison in 5he world and I’m reading Ilan Pappe the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine, both very informative as always. He’s my hero, I was born 1944.
What are your thoughts on Palestinian terrorism?
@@hinahinananoha7783Most people around the world would call it freedom fight against European zio colonialism. Most of us would fight against occupation, so very understandable🤔
of course that clown would trash palestinians and twisted in favor of zio-racists@@Thefloristgang4pf
Nelson Mandela was labelled a terrorist but he went on to be a Prime Minister because he fought for his people
Excellent talk and discussion. Thanks for putting it on you tube!
Free Palestine!!
Palestine which you means never existed... sorry for your delusion..
Free the hostages
@@davidando3372 “Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz was right!”
Thank you very much to all involved in organising and convening this vital event. Thank you to all academic staff at LSE and other neighbouring unis, thank you to all the students for your courage, steadfastness and commitment to justice and the liberation of Palestine.
A huge thank you to Prof Ilan Pappe whose intellectual integrity, rigour, activism, books, papers and every other contribution are all priceless! An invaluable legacy to the inalienable and unassailable liberation struggle of Palestinians 🕯❤️🇵🇸❤️🕯
Free Palestine 🇵🇸
Free Lebanon 🇱🇧
Do you mean free Lebanon and Palestine from Terrorists? Actually in Lebanon, Palestinians caused a lot of problems and occupied the South for a while.
@@hinahinananoha7783 Is everyone in Lebanon and Palestine a terrorist to you? Racist imbecile
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Lol zionists like you really amaze me with your determination to repeating hasbara lies over and over again, even when the whole world does not believe you any more. That some determination if you ask me.
@@hinahinananoha7783 “Professor Yeshayahu Leibowitz was right!”
Most important historian
Fantastic meeting !I learned so much from the great Mr.Pappé!
36:00 I've used nearly the exact same analogy for years about the United states. The main difference is rather than saying the system is built on a cracked foundation, I say that it is built on a moldy, rotten foundation. The reason I make the distinction is that not only are the issues foundational and structural, but that it also makes those inside it sick, as well as being the cause of spread of the rot to the other structures it interacts with.
🍉FROM THE RIVER TO THE SEA PALESTINE WILL BE FREE 🍉
Thank you very much for this talk. I am sending this Video and other videos with Prof. Pappe around to my friends in germany. When can I buy Prof. Pappes books in german language?
1. Haifa Massacre 1937
2. Jerusalem Massacre 1937
3. Haifa Massacre 1938
4. Baled al-Sheikh Massacre 1939
5. Haifa Massacre 1939
6. Haifa Massacre 1947
7. Abbasiya Massacre 1947
8 Al-Khisas Massacre 1947
9. Bab al-Amud Massacre 1947
10. Jerusalem Massacre 1947
11. Sheikh Bureik Massacre 1947
12. Jaffa Massacre 1948
13. Deir Yassin Massacre 1948
14. Tantura Massacre 1948
15. Qibya Massacre 1953
16. Khan Yunis Massacre 1956
17. Jerusalem Massacre 1967
18. Sabra and Shatila Massacre 1982
19. Al-Aqsa Massacre 1990
20. Ibrahimi Mosque Massacre 1994
21. Jenin Refugee Camp April 2002
22. Gaza Massacre 2008-09
23. Gaza Massacre 2012
24. Gaza Massacre 2014
25. Gaza Massacre 2018-19
26. Gaza Massacre 2021
27. Gaza Genocide 2023 is still ongoing
DON'T LET ANYONE CONVINCE YOU THAT IT STARTED ON OCTOBER 7th..
Thanks for the timeline.
@@paulwhetstone0473 Yw God Bless
Great post .
Conveniently left out all the massacres from the otherside. I guess Muslims are perfect.
Thank you for sharing 🙏 thank you for caring about Humanity 💟
Ireland was the first state to recognise Palestine
Probably the only humane nation on the planet.
No, it wasn’t! Palestine was already recognized as a country by most of the countries in the world before Ireland did. Over 140 countries already recognized it. And there are countries that never recognized IsraHell as a country, so Ireland is on the right path, but still has a very long way to go.
143rd.
Respect ❤️
It is the majority of us vs sociopaths and psychopaths. Those kinds are attracted to positions of power - police forces, law offices, political seats are chock full of them.
You are so right, and at the same time it’s a terrifying thought 😳
@@Thefloristgang4pf Agree
Illan pappe, what a gem!
11:30 Pappe's first word.
From river to the sea Palestine will be Free✌
Salute to Ilan Pape.
Thank you
I was born and raised in Baden Wurttemberg - I think it's one of the most brilliant ideas, to hand that country over to the Zionists; if this could end the horrors in Palestine. Really, I mean it. I love Ilan Pappé.
Deal!
Start a petition!
Funny! There are so many spots on earth which are 'land without a people', like the Sahara, the Gobi and there are even 10 more in Astralia.
Let the taleted Israelites make the deserts bloom! This would benefit the whole of humidity.
I am living in Baden Württemberg and I am certainly not an Antisemite but I would not fancy the idea of having Zionist settlers in my neighbourhood. For one thing this state is already too densely populated… Bavaria would be a perfect place with the Alpes and may lakes and some friendly traditional people…
@@Cécile-v3m
I thought Kurt's suggestion was evacuating all people currently living in Baden Wurttemberg...the deal is off.
On a more serious note, I don't think encouraging Israelis and Palestinians to believe any of us is ever going away is useful, it's only prolonging the suffering.
There are currently around 7.5 million jews and 7.5 million palestinians from the river to the sea. Not enough of either side will leave, die, or dramatically change culturally.
We must find ways to live peacefully together in a one democratic state or two states.
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We learn so much from this, even are shown a glimpse of light. Never give up on Palestine, on peace
You are a legen Mr. Ilan Pappe, please continue educating an spreading the word, we are with you
Such a great historian and human being! Such a moral compass in these difficult times.
Thank you.
Yes, I had to fast-forward while that young man was talking. He said he wasn’t gonna take much time but he did.
Respect
I was thinking Benny Morris is not a true historian, but he truly is so funny.😂
“The Palestinians look at everything from a broad, long-term perspective,” he said in an interview with the Israeli newspaper Haaretz in 2019. “They see that, at the moment, there are five-six-seven million Jews here, surrounded by hundreds of millions of Arabs. They have no reason to give in, because the Jewish state can’t last. They are bound to win. In another 30 to 50 years they will overcome us, come what may.”
Ilan is also a liar. He talks about ethnic cleansing. Palestine population is either times bigger in gaza and west bank and ten times inside Israel. After partision plan 200 k Muslims stayed. So Israel didn't expeled nobody. Arab leaders told to 750 k to evacuate. They flee with keys house. Arab states promessed they could come back after two weeks after genocide of Jews in the war
Thank you so much Mr Professor Pappe for expressing your views. I agree we the people of the world have the power to make changes in Palestine.
God will do justice soon
A really educative presentation and discussion. Professor Pappe is impressive. A legend
Wisdom
11:40 Ilan Pappé begins
Prof. Pappe'...RESPECT AND STANDING OVATION
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
They lie I’m afraid they do nothing to make this happen but support genocide of Palestinians, they are Zionists onl for themselves never the people. Their subjects they call them.
Thank you, Professor
Big respect 🙏
Ilan Pappé the voice of justice in the darkness.
Pappé begins his talk at 11:30
Ilan Pappé is one of the best scholars of Palestine
I do not agree that illegal settlements amount to loss of land. One or 2 states the real and personal property confiscated from needs to be returned or compensation paid.
I hate when speakers say 2 state is dead because settlers will not move- land rights of owners should be respected 1or 2 state and these were rules set by UN
This so move me to tears, imagine all those great sufferings unimaginable and all lives lost, structures destroyed, what have we learned from our thousands of years living on this earth, with all those advance techs and all, we just use just to suppress others rather that help them
Terrific discussion!
Why oh why aren't the Israelis listening to Ilan Pape
Thanks for sharing ✨🎨👨🎨🕊️🍉👍🏻✨
The Truth shall set you Free
Justice and Freedom for Palestine 🇵🇸
Ila Pappe is one of the few Heroes of our times.
Pappe begins 11:20
11:30 finally Ilan Papee allowed to speak😮
🤩🤩🤩🤩 Thank you 🙏 👏👏👏...tell the truth...💪💪💪 👏👏👏 Thank you 🙏 🤩🤩🤩🤩
In most of Africa it is a sacrilege to point your left hand at your fathers town;but there is also a saying that says”TO SAVE YOUR FATHERS TOWN YOU WILL HAVE TO POINT YOUR LEFT HAND AT YOUR FATHERS TOWN”
The truth is simple and understandable I really would like to know what goes in the mind of someone against it
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Huey newton says the best thing ever about decolonisation
amazing talk and brilliant questions, thanks!!!
Tx, very interesting
"Zionism is a secular movement that says that God promised them the land of Israel... before he died."---- Shlomo Sand
Excellent.
A Ben Gurion Quote in his later years says it all.
"I don't understand your optimism.," Ben-Gurion declared. "Why should the Arabs make peace? If I was an Arab leader I would never make terms with Israel. That is natural: we have taken their country. Sure, God promised it to us, but what does that matter to them? Our God is not theirs. We come from Israel, it's true, but two thousand years ago, and what is that to them? There has been anti-Semitism the Nazis, Hitler, Auschwitz, but was that their fault? They only see one thing: we have come here and stolen their country. Why should they accept that?"
when academic standards fall below zero...
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From the river to the sea, PALESTINE will be free!!!!
Free Palestine!!!
The truth is coming.
Too long introduction
I agree. Sometimes these people giving excessively long introductions are just attention seekers and add nothing to advance the discourse.
This video is marred by a boring introduction which lasted more than eleven minutes. I only persisted out of my respect for Professor Ilan Pappé.
Palestina livre!
Its true. Sslem, Massachusetts were founded by Puritans settlers escaping from the UK in 1626. Sales name comes from " Shalom", Hebrew for peace.
The introduction was insufferable.
Not only was it insufferable but also insulting to the Pappe and the audience.
I don’t see the point of taking 3 questions at a time. The questions often tend to be long and Pappe’s answers tend to be long also. Please, one question a time.
It’s a fact. True
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Please let Pappé speak!!!
Excellent. Thank you Illan.
11 minutes before speaker ? RUFKM ?
inmother words, the crimes of one generation are permitted to justify the different crimes of another.
Can’t mic better ?
The expulsion of Palestinians to Gaza created the conditions whereby Israel could plausibly claim that the armed resistance were forced to use the dense civilian population as 'human shields'. Not as if Israeli doesn't use Palestinians the same way! Only Israel's guilty amnesia about it's own role in this enables it get away with blaming the victims.
From the river to the sea, Palestine 🇵🇸 will be free!
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2.56 ... of israel's imposition of catastrophe on the palestinian people
Just asking about arab conquest of the ME in 7 century...was it a colonization or not?!??
Israel had to retreat from Lebanon.
Saying a few words?? Wth.
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History as fantasy.
I was wondering if this "historian" would touch on Arab colonization that started in 7-8 century. He did not😮
If the rule of Ottoman Empire was a rule of colonizers???
Sorry, I thought this was about the Arab invasion of the Holy Lands in the 7th Century AD when they killed much of the original population of Christians and jews and when many of the survivors fled to Europe. The remaining Christians and jews had to pay a tax muslims did not have to pay to keep their religion, such that poor Christians and jews had to convert to survive.
To maintain an Army you need money. The non Muslims are citizens and enjoy all the benefits of a citizen. He does not contribute anything for the free benefits of the citizen. So a very small tax is levied on him for his protection from outside enemies and for the free benefits of a citizen. I hope you understood.😊
@@WerewolfAsh - The invaded always understands the invaders will kill, exile, torture and oppress them. The point is the taxes were not levied equally for the survivors of the Arab invasion - i.e. none for muslims - and was a forced way of converting the poor people. It was after all, the land of the jews and Christians, yet they were being taxed to stay on it.
@@johnwoods7650 you are wrong. Muslims didn't kill any of the Arabs living in the Roman and Persian occupied Arab world in the 7th century. They entered peacefully. They allowed the Jews long exiled from Palestine and Jerusalem by the Romans to return and live in there again. As for tax, the muslims paid their own tax which is called Zakat, and in many cases this was more than the tax paid by the Jews and Christians which was called Jizya. Moreover, priests, women, children, the poor and not working of the Jews, Christians, Zoraostrians who lived under Muslim rule were exempt from Jizya. Read history before you write again.
@TAlkaseer - It wasn't Arab land and they weren't Arabs. You Arabs were the invaders. As for Arab 'benevolence', I seem to remember you were taxing Christians and Jews to live in their own lands. The ones you didn't kill or enslave that is. In some places in Syria and Iraq some Arabs haven't changed.
@@johnwoods7650The inhabitants of the Arab world under Roman and Persian rule were Arabs, who were Christian mostly. They fought with those empires against the Muslim Arabs who were invading from Arabia. They continued to inhabit those lands under Muslim Arab rule and remained Christian and occupied high ranks in the Caliphates that followed. Go look up the Nabateans, The Ghassanids, The Lakhmids, etc. The problem with western foreigners for whom race is a big thing, which isn't in the East, is they project their racial hierarchist/essentialist worldviews onto the East and naively confuse race and religion. For them/you the Arabs are Muslims, and the Christians of the East were not Arabs because they weren't Muslims. As a result, you really shaft our Christians, denying either their Arab or Christian identity, when in fact, they are the original Christians and adhere to a much truer version of Christianity than whatever abomination Europeans made Christianity into - a religion of racial supremacy and eternal war.