Whats really strange is that Sony Animation made the Emoji movie but also made Into the Spider-Verse a year apart from each other. So clearly there's someone over there that has respect for the medium.
They were made by different ppl.Spider-verse was made by Phil Lord and Chris Miller who are exactly what we need in animation rn,while I don't even give a sh*t about who made The Emoji Movie.
I think the worst thing about the Minions is that they overshadowed a pretty good plot about an evil villain adopting little orphan girls. Like, I was more interested in the plot than the corn pops, and yet the corn pops won out.
I only saw the Minions in that film as comic reliefs, just like something out of a Disney movie. But once they're everywhere, even to the point of having their own movie (and an upcoming sequel apparently too), they got pretty overwhelming and annoying.
Popeyes had a chance but the problem was more that the original came out before generation nostalgia began. That’s why we see the lion king, transformers and even fuller house but not Popeye.
He did while talking about short gags that are meant to be just funny but shouldn't make a whole movie. You would have connected the dots if you had remembered it :p
For real, my childhood was shaped by my favorite game and it's story. Persona 3 taught me how to appreciate art, all kinds. Writing, Paintings, Animation.
BACK IN MY DAY, we had some texture to our media. The media people remember, at least. Batman TAS and the rest of the DCAU were insightful and engaging stories that are accessible to children while being enjoyable to adults. We don't remember our Minions, but I'm sure there was one.
@@solar2696 My game was HoMM 4, because the stories got translated into my language with cool voice actours (really good quality imo) so as a kid I could understand them.. and Heroes 4 had a lot of cool campany stories and you could play with heroes only, build your char etc. and have a feeling of RPG.... In Heroes 4, there were a lot of long emotional texts that popped up during your gameplay, way more than in HoMM 3... and for young me, new graphic felt surreal and realistic, new animations etc. so I preffered IV grpahics over III... now, in modern times when I looked at 4's graphics I was like - wtf is this, I dont remember it that way, and HoMM 3 has cool timeless graphics but back then it was vice versa for me xD
It's not just animation either. See Disney and its live action remakes: no need to create a new story, people will watch it anyway bc of the legacy of the animations. It's such a shame.
@@Fortniteloverepic No, Mulan is more of an readaptation of the Mulan legend, it will have big changes to the animated movie, for example no Mushu, no Li Shang, not even Songs as far as I know. In the animated movie Mulan killed a bunch of people but the live-action movie will have even more violence and be more action based.
@@SD-tj5dh i'm gonna bet on this guy. Disney's been milking the heck outta remakes & adding little 'woke' one-offs. Mulan's gonna be a disappointment. quite a shame really.
Actually, I think that is a myth, but the point still stands. They cancelled what could have been a MAJOR hit and then made one of the worst animated films of all time! It's a travesty!
A couple things could have been added. 1. the first (and arguably the second) Despicable Me films were actually funny, charming, and heartwarming. The plot was centered around Gru and the girls, and the Minions served as no more than just small side characters with a maximum 5 minutes of meaningful screen time. Unfortunately though, they got a whole lot more attention than they needed, and became the poster-child of Illumination, who had literally just made their first movie. 2. Believe it or not, some studios are learning! Sony Animation in particular just announced their upcoming lineup, and it legitimately looks promising, and some of their more recent films have actually been really good! (They even have an adult animated film in the works.)
Aren't they making an animated ghostbusters movie? Well if so I hope it sticks to the same animation style as their very own Spiderverse and Mitchell's vs the Machines. I also hope that it tries pulling off a new story that actually tries being emotional without tugging at your heartstrings like the end of Afterlife. Disclaimer: I liked Afterlife's ending with that Tribute to Harold Ramis.
@Azure Disk Special mention here for Tron uprising, a phenomenal show that was given a terrible timeslot on a channel for an audience a little too young for it, and then disney canned it.
Tyler Johnson sure, maybe? An argument about governments and technical revolutions doesn’t really apply here though, since we’re discussing capitalism’s negative effects on the entertainment/film industry.
@@beefchillingham6790 Except the internet R&D was funded primarily by the State so yeah. That being said, that doesn't make it socialism but it does make it done by public funds.
The most unforgivable crime of the minions is that their origin was actually retconned with the Minions movie. It was hinted that Gru created them. It makes sense. If we want to overthink things, minions should be a much more common site in their world if they were around since the "caveman era." This just further proves your videothat they just mashed ideas together without any proper thought.
@Peruvian Leftist Fella lost was always about the characters- not the mystery. If you didnt like the ending then you missed the point of the show entirely
@Peruvian Leftist Fella they were not dead the whole time in lost. The ending to lost was the same as the ending to titanic. You know how when rose died as an old lady she woke up on the titanic and was back there with everyone. That ending did not mean the titanic never crashed and it did not mean her whole life was a lie....it just simply ment in the afterlife she met back up with them. Lost is the same. The island was very important to them. So when they died (some of them many years after the the final scenes) they all meet up in the afterlife to move on together.
Didn't even mention how terribly Illumination treats their animators. They are underpaid and overworked, specifically because they don't prioritize their creative staff at all. The movie itself is an afterthought from the brand.
@Azure Disk To be fair, Kyoto animation is not the average in terms of animation even within their contemporaries (studios from Japan). They are on the cutting edge of both techniques and worker treatment. If we are to see the entirety of Japan's animation industry you can see it trending more towards Illumination, make as much with as little as fast as possible. I hate the 'animation is for kids' mentality too, but it does spawn from logic. Western animation tends to make most of it's money from merchandising which is marketed towards kids due to how effective it is. Minions makes bank on external products sold which snowballs into making money for the sequels. It's a system devoid of creativity, but it's safe and it works. Anime likewise is marketed towards Otaku whose money is the lifeblood of the industry (who else would pay for overpriced blue-ray box sets and figures?) and follows similar marketing schemes. Regardless of what the audience or the creators think animation is still a business, and that deal with the devil is a necessary evil to even produce anything at all. That said, there is certainly an imbalance and can't he healthy for the long term health of the craft.
@@konkonart7128 Generalizing is bad mate, Japan's animation industry does have a problem on how it treats it animators (not a unique phenomenon, many US studios or studios from other countries also have this problem) Kyoani while great isn't unique in that regard, also while there are many trash shows (taste is subjective) made to just to suck money out of otaku, this practice isn't the standard for the industry, yes the production companies (studios unless they are in the production committee, they only get the job on what to do)do want to make money (like any business) but it isn't the main focus of many series, their first priority is to tell a great story (adapt it most of the time) with good animation or music ect. ( you get the idea).
@Azure Disk kyoani paying their animators a livable wage is incredible, especially considering the hell that is being an animator in the anime industry. Shame what happened, really. I hope they recover from it.
I always far preferred Megamind, but in a way I'm glad it wasn't as popular at its time. Who knows how ruined it could have become had it been franchised?
@@smoothglass8028 Not necessarily. There weren't any corn pops specifically designed to be marketable in Megamind, it had better drive with story and deep characters. And based on HTTYD's treatment so far, Dreamworks can give the franchise the respect it deserves even when given the opportunity to cheaply milk its popularity. They could have made Hidden World a marketing mess like Despicable Me's sequels and spinoffs, but instead they made it a good movie with heart and most notably a _conclusion to the trilogy,_ leaving the milking to go on with shows and specials that seem pretty separate from the movies' canon. Megamind could have received a similar fate and I certainly wouldn't object.
Smooth Glass Megamind had infinitely better material to work with (and no mutated corn dogs) so it's less likely that it would've suffered the same fate.
I feel Megamind was probably best left as a single movie. It was a good movie that didn't need a sequel. Not that it didn't deserve a sequel, it just didn't need a sequel. The story of the villain becoming the hero ended with a nice little bow.
I watched Wall-E a few days ago (I was a kid when I saw it for the first time and never saw it again) and what struck me was the amazing story, a lot of creative ideas outside the box and everything fitting in a greater picture. It was so different to all animation nowadays. Animation shouldn't be just for kids, but it is starting to be. Kids enjoy simple, flat and giggly characters just as much or even more than deeper, well-established characters. We should be careful that we don't let this be the new standards for animation, as it has so much more to offer than franchises and remakes and kids' movies. By the way, Wall-E is amazing. Even when you remember the story, it is a masterpiece and so much fun to watch.
Well said, I totally agree. The point I was trying to make earlier up is that both types of animation have a place, we don't need to sacrfice one for the other. Thanks for putting it so eloquently and basically giving me the words I was missing.
Let me guess, your aunt is the type of woman who's sending cringe "wish you a happy monday" Facebook pictures with Smurfs and Minions on it, into your family group? 😂
I think one of the big problems that feeds into this is the United States’s lack of respect for animation and for children’s media. “Animation is just for kids.” “It’s just for kids, so who cares if it’s bad?”
@JayLeeBeanz uhh have you ever watched as told by ginger? King of the hill? Proud family? etc. There are plenty of good slice of life western cartoons. Not because you've only watched shitty western cartoons means they're all shit. Plenty of animes are also shit lol but people don't judge the whole medium for that.
I have a bracelet I got from a Kids Meal (Burger King I think?) and it's Kubo's string bracelet from Kubo and The Two Strings. I love the movie, and I still wear the bracelet all the time.
Wait- Somebody else on the internet besides me still cares about Ice Age? I mean, Shrek is great, but especially the first Ice Age deserves much more than getting basically no atention at all.
Personally, I find the first _Ice Age_ fantastic, the second one good, the third one "meh", the fourth one pretty bad but enjoyably so, and the fifth... *OH MY GOD, IT'S SO DEVOID OF CHARACTER, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I WALKED OUT OF THE CINEMA FEELING EMPTY, IT'S THAT BAD.*
The 1st Ice Age is a childhood favorite. I find it weird that they made the animals more anthropomorphic every movie mean while humans supposively coexist with them.
I remember watching minions, and how I was more interested in Scarlet, the villian, compared to the f minions. I think they lost the opportunity to expand her story or give her more scenes.
I was once told at an anime convention, that held a job fair, this statement, "Well, don't you want to sell your idea?" after I pitched my idea for a 3d animated series I'm working on. I responded with "I mean making money would be a good outcome of it, but if the story sucks, then what's the point?" Telling a great story that draws people in will surpass and outlast all the money you will ever make from merch and for that, that's how I want my series to be remembered for.
@@seekertosecrets it's business advice from branch manager to temp attending business school in The Office - you have to be out there in order to succeed, but you also have to succeed in order to be out there.
@@beardupbeerdown7355 The second quote seems to imply that any industry is a closed loop that is impossible to break into. A catch 22, realistic yet also pessimistic.
Altrought i Like all 3 movies, i hate how the minions basically steal the spotlight from the other characters. I wish they remained what they were in the first movie, cheap comic relifes that basically only appeared in some Second long scenes, that just serve as filler. And thats a lot, since i hated the minions since they were introduced in the franchise as whole
Same here. When I was a kid and watched this movie, I didn't care that much about Minions. They were cute and funny, that's all I felt for them. I was actually interested in the main plot more.
The animated films and books I grew up with are what triggered my imagination as a kid, I would see images of beautiful worlds in my head, I would think things like "what if toys could talk? What if clouds were alive? What kind of adventures could this thing have?" I was so full of creative energy then, and still am due to what I grew up with. I just can't imagine the kind of imaginations the kids who grow up with minions and other cheap films will have, it makes me really sad to think about. I hope something changes soon.
Good animated movies were literally what inspired me to start animation and learn animation, in fact, as a kid i always wished to learn animation soo i cloud make my own short, my own movies and more
@@JishinimaTidehoshi definitely false. The cinematic animated shorts of that era, above all Looney Tunes, were written for adult audiences. Kids didn't get the Robinson and Bogart gangster and film noir references, or the adult innuendo rife in old Looney Tunes, but they enjoyed the hijinks. There was something for everyone
"[Stuart Little] could have even been a kid" He actually is (in the book). The premise of the book is that he's a tiny human who looks (and acts) like a mouse. I don't remember if the movie actually says he's a mouse, but the book says he's a human who strongly resembles a mouse.
I read the book and he was a mouse. Remember the chapter where his parents put him down a sink to unclog it. There were even illustrations of him being a moise
I really enjoyed the first Despicable Me. It was cute and fun, had a lot of heartfelt moments. But that really just makes me hate the other movies more, because they took a movie close to my heart and stomped all over it
@@livispuzzled they actually did the opposite of milking the original idea. They threw away almost every aspect of the first film, like the good jokes (jokes like gru freezing the row of people to get the coffee, him raising his car together with someone else, and eventually smashing him, that was a funny joke) the good chemistry between characters, the emotional moments, the good villain (we stan Victor) and the surprisingly good music, and removed it for shit
The first despicable me was definitely good and more fun than most Pixar or DreamWorks films at that time. But afterwards it really began to suck, and the Minions film was the absolute low point.
Actually, Nintendo stated that they are going to make sure that the movie is made the way they want it to be. After all, it's Nintendo, so of course they're going to protect their most popular franchise.
@@alternaterealitygamejerk7311 at least they put care into their franchises, a good example would be the Zelda series. Whenever they release a new game in their series, they at least put some new features, ideas, and other things into that game.
It's kinda sad really, that modern kids movies seem exclusively made for kids. I watched The Iron Giant for the first time this week, and I wish we could go back to when kids movies could be enjoyed by adults.
If i were to make a movie, there would not be ANY annoying fart jokes, i just would care if the people were entertained, amazing talented and creative people could make a movie for FUN, not for the MONEY.
I don't think that being made for kids is an excuse for making terrible movies honestly kids are usually way smarter than people give them credit for and tend to like good quality movies more than trash that's made only for money
@Shr1mpSush1, are we going to pretend that Pixar movies like Inside Out and Coco, Kung Fu Panda movies, movies like Zootopia, Klaus on Netflix, etc, don't exist as good modern kids movies??
The only solution there is, is to create a separate side of animation, called animation for people of ages 12+. The age rating will always have to be specified, because as long as the media thinks children = dumb, there wont be a fair chance of creating more deep and thought provoking animated movies without corporations ruining them.
"Cater a movie to kids is doomed to fail, but cater to adults AND kids it will succeed." I might've messed up the original quote but it holds SOME truth to it.
How To Train Your Dragon 3, which came out this year, was about love, loss (including a widowed man talking about his wife and the beauty of love even though it hurts), sacrifice and responsibility. The human characters are young 20-somethings reconciling themselves to the idea of marriage, amidst pressure from their people. The protagonists down their lives for each other. Some of the joke sequences are unnecessary and childish, but the meat of the film would appeal more to adults. The ending is definitely bittersweet. Dreamworks did a great job. The Kung Fu Panda trilogy, while sillier, also has strong themes. Dreamworks still make movies like Boss Baby and Trolls (probably in part to earn money to tackle bigger projects) but overall they make really beautiful movies. HTTYD and Kung Fu Panda are stunning, with genuinely compelling characters, utterly breathtaking visuals (HTTYD2 was nearly photorealistic in animation quality and used their new animation capacities to make some incredible and genuinely creative sequences) and really, really, really good music. If they keep it up, I’d say Dreamworks is doing a great job.
No. The target audience is PG13. It’s as difficult to get an adult movie made as a good kids movie. Remember the kerffuful about Logan and Deadpool ? They actually rereleased Deadpool as a P13 cut. The studios want kids and teenagers and young adults and nostalgic adults all to see the same movie. The Lion King for example.
The original Despicable Me would have been a good stand-alone movie. It would have been far better without the minions, but it still had value. I do believe that Megamind was probably better, but I feel like it's wrong to suggest that Despicable me was entirely undeserving of it's victory. Nonetheless, the Despicable Me Franchise, and the minions. are crimes against animation.
Let me break your bubble there. It is tons of fun but is definitely not the greatest animated movie ever. Even amongst DreamWorks, that competition is between Shrek 1 & 2, Kung Fu Panda Trilogy and HRTYD trilogy
I think the reason why Minions did so well it's because it's easy to change languages using the characters because the Minions don't speak any certain language, therefor it is easier to promote and sell the film internationally.
I’ve always been disgusted with child marketing... like for example, whenever I’m stocking juices and I see Dori’s face on the packaging, it makes me so irritated. It feels so predatory and I hate it.
Cross promotion advertisements towards children is gross, yes. It doesn't just prey on the children, but also the parents who are intentionally forced into conflicts with their children in the hopes that they give in and buy.
I used to really like the blue's clues kraft Mac and cheese... I'm not 100 percent positive but I think it was shaped like the dog. Idk I really liked it personally lol
The reason companies still use this tactic is: it works, and it's worked for quite longer than most people realize. Example: I'm old enough to remember candy cigarettes. Small, sugar-packed rods of candy sold in packages almost identical to actual cigarette packaging. Fortunately, I didn't fall into the trap myself, but I grew up at a time when almost everyone smoked. Anyone who tries to deny the harmful effects of second-hand smoke will get more than an earful of pushback from me. Here endeth the rant.
thats the problem with creating a character totally devoid of context or meaning- you can slap any old shit on top of it and it will appeal. Minions are the modern day equivalent to what Garfield was in the 80s. That shit was everywhere and no one read the garfield comics- they just liked the grumpy funny cat that they could pair a lame phrase with. Today's facebook mom meme was yesterday's bumper sticker and suction cup figure on the rear window.
@@jasoninkurai5463 if you know the story about garfield's origin and eventual success the cartoonist designed him to be as commercial and inoffensive as possible after his more edgy and creative cartoons were not successful. As i said, in the 80s when i was growing up garfield was massive- everyone had a coffee mug, or a toy, or a bumper sticker, or the suction cup cats on the windshields, on t-shirts- pre internet garfield was viral levels successful because everyone could relate to a simply character. It wasnt due to his comic comedic chops by any stretch.
The marketing for that movie was pretty annoying. They started showing trailers for it almost a year before it came out, every time I went to watch a movie I had to sit through that same trailer (always the same trailer). By the time it came out, I was already sick of it. I'm sure it was a fun movie, but their marketing department failed them.
I wanted to go to the cinema to watch it, but I was to late. At least at my cinema every Laika film after Coraline was shown for just a week or two. I was realy unlucky with the date they came out in my country and missed all of them because of moving, starting university, writing my bachelor... And when I have time to the cinema there is only the 7th week of the lion king remake, a crapy and much too late LEGO film ripoff, Pets and Angry Birds two and some cheep and horrible looking children book adaptions.
Laika has the opposite problem that illumation has,where illumation makes millions through mediocre movies,laika makes little money through amazing movies
To be fair Missing Link wasn't their best film. I still loved the attention to detail they put into the animation but I didn't find the characters or the story particularly appealing, especially in comparison to their other films. I would still much rather watch Missing Link again rather than be forced to sit through the Minions Movie again. I could say the same for a lot of the more lackluster films from good studios.
While I admired the animation and Visual side of the Missing Link, the movie itself just wasn’t good. The characters were unlikeable, the story bland and predictable, and the humor aimed at five year olds. I felt so disappointed after sitting through it. It’s a shame all that work and beautiful animation didn’t go to a better film. Despicable Me, despite the minions was a pretty pleasant film and the minions themselves, though dumb, can get a laugh out of adults, while Missing Link was just awkward. And I’m an animation obsessed illustration student; I walked into that cinema prepared to love the movie
I feel attacked. As a writer, I mean. Imagine spending years developing a story and then seeing a movie like this make so much more than you ever will. _that_ is how we feel =_=
The Marvel Dork I dunno - it’s sort of like that thing with art where people say, “My kid could do this.” Yeah - but could they make millions off it? Some people just have a talent for appealing to the mainstream - for being popular - and whatever it is, it isn’t like just anyone can do it, because ironically, the vast majority of people who work so much harder die in obscurity. And for that matter, even most people with run of the mill mediocre ideas don’t make it either. So respect where respect is due - being mediocre kind of takes talent.
@@robbiewarhol672 Yes, but who's the demographic here? This kind of film turns entertainment into money, the audience into actors, and the bank into the audience. "Actors put entertainment into the audience" is now the same as "audience put money into the bank", and when your target demographic is the bank that's all the producers care about. It's not storytelling, it's a transaction.
When Missing Link was an surprisingly gigantic bomb, it did make us pretty sad because while it is an average kids’ flick because of its kiddie tone, it is a good one because its animation is adventurously professional! But when Paranorman bombed at the box office while other 2010s animation with much more CGI (Illumination Entertainment films are obvious examples, but we could also use DreamWorks Animation’s recent films like Home, Trolls and The Boss Baby as examples) did much better at the box office, it was enraging because while Missing Link is decent, Paranorman is almost as atmospherically scary and inventively Stop-motion animated as Coraline and Kubo! Speaking of the latter... When Kubo and the Two Strings bombed and never risen at the box office, I seriously gave up on humanity because the complaints people have towards this film (LOOKING AT YOU, YMS!! COCO ALSO DESERVED BETTER!!) about its characters being weak, its writing being cliched and its animation being underwhelming despite all that effort with the origami papers and atmosphere in the ancient Japanese settings LAIKA put into them. Surely, it has a strong following that understands the brilliance of Kubo and the Two Strings as one of the many first-rate stop-motion films, but even with that, it can’t stop me from putting it on my list of “Most Underrated Animations” if I made it.
I LOVE paranorman and the likes. LAIKA is great, coralline was stunningly haunting, paranorman was depressingly charming, and the boxtrolls was adorably awesome
@Chim Jim The "risk" was in making Missing Link at all. Marketing remains an entirely nebulous prospect. How does anyone get the word out to everyone without saturating every single platform known to man, which is known to upset anyone trying to avoid marketing in the first place? Usually, when people see marketing, they decide right then and there to see the product or not, no matter how many times it's perpetuated. That's not a risk, that just a dumb strategy. Moviegoer: I cut the cable and only watch streaming services. also Moviegoer: When did this come out in theaters? I WUZ NEHVUR TOLD! TAYK MOHR RIXXXX!
Minions is an interesting retrospective on society and consumerism at its finest. minions being representative of society & the villains they worked for are our short term euphoria of owning new products. the main villains strikes me as an effective character believed to provide the happiness we as humans seek. the backstab proves the real hurdle of overcoming our own endless search for happiness within excessive consumption. the lack of awareness of many gullible viewers of the real art behind minions is baffling.
i wish every animated movie went the rango route and was interesting, unique, and contributed to the feel of the story and characters. rango's art is perfect.
This can be done well. All of the shows I watched as a kid were semi-elaborate toy marketing: Ninja Turtles, He-Man, Transformers, GI Joe, Thundercats. All of them were basically toys first but generally good TV as well.
Wanna know what’s worse than that? Illumination simply copied Ubisoft’s homework and somehow became successful (Minions are rip-offs of the Rabbids from Rayman)
@@robbiewarhol672 When I watched the film it felt like things were just happened without any reason, but I couldn't figure out why. Now I know it's because Illumination films are written around comedy setpieces, with the story being a secondary concern
That movie was a waste of time for me. I feel practically nothing about it except that one dog vaguely resembles a pet we once had... which is probably the marketing intention
This made all the more painful when seeing that the creators of Iron Giant were being rushed to get the movie out because the studio felt hand drawn animation was dead based on another movie of theirs nor performing to their standard. Iron, Giant. One of the best animated movies that actually managed to blend the hand drawn of yesteryear with CG of that era and do it fairly seamlessly. This kind of thing is happening with the games industry, it's been going on for years. Cartoony visuals/2D being hated by major platforms, while they typically age the best and wind up running better. Sony has been against 2D games, now just old games in general for ages. Capcom apparently had to say "If you don't take Megaman 8 and MegaMan X4 you don't get Resident Evil" X4 being a game that holds up to this day because of it's visual aesthetics. Eh I'm getting off topic. It's just a shame to see industries go on trends that they perceive as good vs what can be great if they let some original ideas flow.
Ever hear of the tragic failure of Disney's Treasure Planet? It was the dream of the directors, but 2D animation was trending out so the movie was purposely sabotaged by placing the release window during the release of mega hits while also creating next to no advertising for it. The all mighty corporate studio executives are the devil and constant companions of creatives.
Companies are all about the money, not their original intent of pooling resources and working together to offer a better product. The idea of forming a team... they gave up all the positives and care only about money now.
They're making movies that don't require much thought to laugh at. Instead of *"Two, well developed, fleshed-out characters making witty jabs and remarks at each other that require some trivial knowledge to understand and get"* (A completely random example), we have *"Hee hee look at funny yellow people say 'banana' in funny way, show butts toward screen"*
A lot of famous comedians have made a killing off of that exact type of comedy as well. Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler I could go on and on. Fact of the matter is, Different people are entertained by different things. They are first and foremost entertainers, there will always be an audience for pretty much any type or style of entertainment.
@@ismaeljrp1 I couldn't disagree any less about jim carrey. That man is pure artistic brilliance. Dumb and dumber is, well, dumb, but lots of Jim's character acting is honestly amazing. Not to mention he has great range, just watch eternal sunshine if you wanna see some seriously good dramatic acting
@@turbotaquitogoogle8095 I love Jim, and he's great, but he made a killing way before all of that other acting, yes I love Eternal Sunshine, one of my favorites along with the Truman Show where he's also great. I also love Sandler films, I wasn't slating them. I mention that their comedy style is absolutely cartoonish and ridiculous. But the point is many people love that, including me. I've seen Minions and it's an entertaining and funny film. Doesn't matter if the comedy is cheap. Entertainment level for me is high in those situations. Movies, acting, cinema. It's not always about trying to do some movie critics version of fine art, although that as well is great. Love me some No Country for Old Men, but doesn't mean something like Minions shouldn't exist or is bad.
A low budget movie that's basically a bunch of random and abstract ideas slapped together in a nonsensical incoherent way? Almost sounds like an avante garde indie film lol
When I was younger I loved Despicable Me and its sequel- they both had meaningful stories about family, and the minions were a funny and engaging element. But everything since has deteriorated the franchise for me. There was initially a good balance of humor and meaning but now it's all been thrown out the window for cheap humor instead.
How do you sequelize such a simple, banal idea? "Animals at kinda like people in private" I mean, even the ACTUAL plot of the film had nothing to do with them acting like people. It was just a story of pets being jealous which already happens to real pets.
400 million dollars out an 80 million dollar budget isn't a bomb. Yet somehow I feel like it's going to be considered that now that more movies are making a billion dollars.
@marianne mccrank I find the plot really terribly handled. I know everyone says this but it's true, the movie feels like a first draft of a script. But that's just my opinion
Some Dude what are you talking about? dreamworks and universal are working on it. People got tricked into thinking it's coming out this year but that's just them being gullible and not understanding how these films work but the cast and people from Dreamworks have said it's being made
Exactly why my future children will grow up with the movies and shows I grew up with because all of these new films and shorts don’t teach them anything worth while, I’ve made a list of all the great animations I grew up watching and I can only imagine it’s a key part in what makes good people is the things they grow up around
Disney has been doing this. They have been either remaking everything they can, or making live action versions of everything they have made. They don’t have any new ideas whatsoever. They are just trying to make money at this point
Him: Talks about today's movies and how "There's something inherently wrong with a movie that exists not as art but as product." Literally any 80s cartoon out there: First time?
Yes, but at least some of them tried to make something watchable from their property. Heck, some of those shows were way better than the toys, and had much more depth than you would expect from being based on some lump of plastic meant as a child's plaything.
The minions are ruining animation. Illumination studios is the magnum opus of cash grabs and now every animated movie has “funny” little characters like the minions just for money.
We always hated characters that serve as nothing other than being "haha funny comic relifes". Probably the only characters that fit in this category that i Like, are scrat (ice Age), and mort (Madagascar). Every other comic relif character that basically just is nothing but filler, frick off
@@deadchanel1298 They can be well written while one dimensional it's just it must be written where they annoy only the other characters and not the audience because that is the real comedy from them.
My dad did comics for over twenty years, he had a weekly strip that when it ended in such a heartwarming way it made me cry, it was something I read once a week with my dad all my life. And it ended because the news paper thought he was someone they could do without. Once he left a lot of people dropped the paper, my dad was the main reason they were still getting it. Art suffers, it suffers a lot. The three things that give a animated movie life have been stripped away. Storyboard replaced with crude jokes, characters replaced with the same set of personalities if I can even call them that, and art replaced with whatever is cheapest and fastest. All the salt of a movie is withheld. I just hope people like Alex Hirsch keep rising to the top.
I'm still pissed about Popeye. Why can't they release the movie? Great voice actors, great animation, great artstyle--HOW? And don't bring me ,"Oh it was just a test" or "the creator is too busy making another film."
Because into days age we are fed constant cheap lazy crap and we just accept it also animation is mostly targeted to kids only and not families or adults so we get childish entertainment. Sadily Good talent and hard work and passionate creators often go unnoticed it's all about the money money money both in the industry and Hollywood as a whole.
Infinity Train could bring *massive* change to the TV and Film industry if it was wildly public, it brings serious topics in like divorce, coping with death, being forced to do social norms.
That's probably because Gru actually had some character development behind him, but minions are the same photocopied little yellow sh!ts lacking even two grains of personality to rub together.
Yeah, I found this video to be a whinge and caters to the type of people who think they are clevere than everyone else who most often don't have great senses of humour and are in fact ruining TV and media because everything has to be "serious" and thought worthy. I like a little trash tv, judge me all you want. I do not care. My PhD says more than the TV I enjoy.
Logan Not the one from Marvel They apparently gave an explanation to why they didn’t (they were in the cave during that era). But this still means they partook in the Trans-Atlantic Exchange, the Salem Witch Trials, and the French Revolution.
@Steven Lee Actually, the filmmakers did think about that. The minion's self-exile onto the arctic started after they killed Napoleon, meaning they would've missed the first and second world war
"Welcome to the new timeline, we have good news and bad news. Bad news, you have permanent Taco Bell shits." "What's the good news?" "No Minions" "Glory be, I'm home, home at last!"
monkey's paw: minions have been retroactively purged from the history of mankind. Illumination created Ted first, to positive review albeit critics pointed out the goggles on Ted's design. Years later, Illumination released Ted 2 with less positive reviews as many disliked the new furless design of Ted. Additionally, the Christmas special "Ted: Santa's Little Helper" received lukewarm welcome. Cited by a critic as "It's inevitable, there's no stopping it('s downfall)", commenting on Ted's new latex suit. In 2016, Illumination released Ted: World with heavy backlash as the film heavily emphasizes product placements & merchandise to the audience. Undoubtedly, mothers around the 40-year old bracket has been vocal about their loyalty to Ted & inserted pseudo-science agenda into their defense as a means of uncovering the truth. On 2019, cases of smallpox began to arise as a new unseen strain. Analysts pointed out the lack of vaccinations on children especially in urban cities as a factor on the infectivity of the SN-SP.
Being recommended this again after seeing everyone jokingly mass-support Minions: Rise of Gru kinda scares me what that box office pay out is going to say to Illumination and other animation studios.
I disagree, Minions are actually, even if only just, ever so slightly smirkabley funny. I think Eric Morecambe would come back from the dead to shoot me if I suggested Family Guy was comedy.
ngl the thing that upset me the most about the minions movie was the fact that they say the minions existed WAY before gru, whereas I'm 90% sure there's a part in the first movie (in the special features) where it says they were MADE by Gru
When you lay it out like this, these animation problems sound like the exact same problems film makers had trying to bring SNL skits to movie length in the 90s.
Repeat these to yourself: It's okay for children to like something I don't. It's okay for children to make something popular that isn't my jam. It's okay for children to not have the same nostalgic attachment to something as me.
Sure but: It's not okay to exploit the naivete of children by presenting them media that doesn't care about them or their development beyond the ability to profit from them.
@@nicolaim4275 You mean like the 80s, when animation was only made to sell toys? Or when critics in 1979 criticised movies for being nothing but remakes, sequels and blockbusters? The more things change, the more they stay the same. Also, if you don’t want kids growing up with movies that don’t fit your standards of children’s media, than you can just decide not to show them to kids, as well as not watch them at all. Crisis averted. Or, if you want more specific examples, there was an IMDB review for Pocahontas back in the 90s that stated that “all Disney movies nowadays are exactly the same!”
@@nicolaim4275 Then like I said, you don’t have to keep supporting movies you don’t like. It’s much better to bring attention to movies that you really *do* like, and want to see succeed.
@@unicornbunny5439 The existence of exploitative children's media has nothing to do with me personally, apart from hypothetically making it a hassle to find something of quality. I'm talking about negative social impacts and child development from media influence while I'm guessing you're talking about the individual experience. An extreme example of what I'm talking about would be the strange UA-cam videos for toddlers that were everywhere a few years ago, but even high cost animations can suffer if no thought is put into the story.
Small correction. Genndy did NOT make Powerpuff Girls. He worked on it as a storyboarder and writer, but it was created by Craig McCracken, who also made Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Wander Over Yonder.
The thing that really pisses me off about the Minions Mayhem ride is that it replaced Jimmy Neutron's Nicktoons Blast! Everyone knows our lord and savior Jimmy Neutron is a million times better than the plebian Minions will ever be!
Omg I just realized the meaning of the word "Popeye" because he pronounced it as Pop-eye 😂😂. In Spain we pronounce it as "po-pei-ye" and I never actually thought it had a meaning, I thought it was just a name lol. This is totally unrelated to the video, but I just realized this after YEARS wth
I just want to say something for all you would be animators. Anyone ambitious about creativity and wanting to become successful: I’m not too worried. Yes, animation has become processed. Many things have. I’ve also noticed the amount of freedom animators have nowadays. You can become famous merely for scribbling random drawings. Having a genuine sense of humor. You can even make a living off of it. The sad thing is the industry will NEVER serve the individual anything less than processed. If you want to make millions or even thousands, you gotta sell out, and that’s neither easy nor fun. However, I don’t think animation is doomed, just because the animation industry is. You should stop worrying about making animation a career and start working towards a career that can fund your animation talent. Hell, even fund someone else’s. If you want to animate, animate. If you want to draw, draw. Focus on time. Focus on effort. You can’t buy that with money. You can make *anything* with little money and a lot of effort, and it can be a masterpiece. The way I see it, less money means more freedom. The more passionate you are about art and animation, the less you care about money and funding, and more about producing and devotion. Sure, your art could be made easier with better equipment, and more exposure would motivate you to work harder, but it’s also a lot of pressure to expose yourself, and any equipment you buy obligates you to stick to a specific style. It can be creatively stunting if you let it. These videos are a great way to teach people and expose the industry, but creative minds already understand this. Normal folk don’t care about this. What we need to teach people is how to master and cultivate their craft. Not to shoot for unobtainable, unfulfilling goals like working in Hollywood or making millions off an animation. Even if you could animate a high quality masterpiece, it can be difficult to get any ideas to become through the door. Now, don’t let a lack of money or exposure ruin your desire to express yourself. You gotta own it. Love it. Nurture it. Anything that pertains to money stifles creativity far more than poverty believe it or not. If you have to tell yourself you need money to pick up a pencil and paper, then you’re doing it for the wrong reason. Removing minions won’t fix that. It’s time people started to realize exactly how gifted they are, and stop doubting themselves. Stop depending on an industry for money and become self sufficient. Communicate with each other. We have become a network of individuals far stronger and more creative than hollywood will ever be. Let’s continue to inform ourselves and work together. Don’t feel bad when you watch these videos. Feel glad that you aren’t a sellout on leash.
Aflay same could be said for a lot of things - like music, writing, etc. but the truth is a lot of us get into these things not necessarily because we’re really passionate about them (we think we are) but because we want to be famous for them. And then, when we see others getting the fame and money, we complain - as if the art itself has been stolen from us.
1:31 "it's not a bad movie by any means." 3:53 "Minions is not a good movie. It's heartless, random an narratively [gibberish]." Ok, that's a strange definition of mediocre...
@@Hubilicious90 Kind of get the vibe of when a college animation project is turned in and the video about a lonely rag doll struggling to survive got a lower grade than the farting dinosaur video. Just oozing with animosity.
20 odd years ago every CGI feature was an event. They started off strong with adult-targeted but kid-friendly films like Toy Story, Antz, and Shrek. They were relatively uncommon, but every one of them was worth seeing, and that made them very lucrative. There wasn't five of them a year like there is now. We all went to see every Pixar movie. Now the shine has worn off somewhat, but the desire of the studios to cash-in remains. I think the core of great movies remains (Mostly Pixar and Dreamworks), but there is a lot of chaff as well. And there are diminishing returns for sequels to great originals like Kung Fu Panda. I don't think the format is doomed, it's just that the novelty has worn off.
Yeah I feel like the "it could've been about a kid" was a bit of a stretch. Especially since we have plenty of movies revolving around people, it stands out more seeing it from a perspective we wouldn't see othereise.
Yeah, this video is missing the point of why Stuart Little (and Paddington, for that matter) had to be an animal. There was no mistaking him as a mouse in a human world, just because he didn't undergo a mouse lifestyle.
To quote Yahtzee: "People ask me if I worry about the future of the interactive arts in this era of triple-A being a constant stream of soulless exploitative knock-offs, but I'm not worried! Because we've been here before. At the end of the 90s, games like Quake III and Unreal Tournament tried to convince us that we didn't really want artistic single-player PC games when we could just pay to run on hamster wheels all day, and look what the 2000s brought us. Deus Ex! Thief II! BioShock! Portal! It's always a phase. In the long run, the only eternal guarantor of success is a quality product well-made, ideally with tits on the front.”
Right?!?! I grew up watching my dad play through Quake 1, 2 and the Q2 mission packs, then he brings home Quake 3 one day and it threw me way off how it was JUST deathmatch oriented.
@@crowchillingpark I think its notable that Fortnite's greatest competition right now is a 10-year-old indie game that's only been minimally touched by its new corporate overlords.
Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament are fun as shit. Of course they shouldn't be forced unto people but arena shooters like those are generally really fun for people who like hardcore games.
The franchise and Sequel issue is a massive one. It bugs me for years already that _everything_ seems like it has to be at least a trilogy. If there aren't three parts it's not gonna be approved. If you wanna make sequels make them like the nemo franchise. Bring out a movie that is fun to watch, has somewhat of a message and behind the scenes is innovative. Then don't milk it but give it time. Later you still can decide to make a second movie. sure, the story will have less of a message than the original but you still can make it a fun to watch movie and innovative behind the scenes. Pixar spend a buttload of time to create a better shader rendering under water scenery. They found new ways to rig and animate octopusses. I'm not saying I want another Nemo movie in 5+ years. I think the stories were told from beginning to end. But I could see me digging another Wall:e movie. the first one was pretty innovative behind the scenes. They built their own ("software") camreas for that movie. The story isn*'t completely told yet. so yeah, make another wall:e movie. Finish the story. But don't continue then, making it a trilogy....
@infinityrose92 Of course dying actors and voice actors are always a problem regardless whether it is a sequel or the original. But sequels give you the option to incorporate the passing of an actor or voice actor into the story. I do agree that the original cast would be best and thus you shouldn't wait too long but anything less than 3-4 years is way too soon in my eyes. Look at the production time of finding Dory. They started in 2012 and it took them four years. You maybe could break it down to 3 years when not doing the amount of research they did on that movie but those movies take time. If they can pump out a movie in less than 3 years there's no way it is inspired by the story but it's being used as a cash cow. This is exactly what destroyed the Despicable me franchise for me.... it was and still is being milked. Look at the original circle 7 script of the finding nemo sequel: _"[...] Finding Nemo 2 focused on Nemo reuniting with his long lost brother named 'Remy.' Marlin [...] then gets captured and sent to an aquarium named "PLANET BLUE," so now Nemo, Dory and Remy have to go save him." It is 1:1 the same story. There is no motivation in this plot whatsoever. Finding Dory is different. It's more thought through and it doesn't rely on an active capturing and the creation of motivation but instead it is a self-motivated story. If there hadn't been circle 7 being shut down by Disney and the long time I think the quality of the franchise would've deteriorated massively. And that's why I feel like there needs to be time between movies because you'd just pump out literally the same movie.
@infinityrose92 I agree. and it's sad that the studios can't see that they kill creativity and the franchises. To be honest, if circle7 hadn't been gobbled up by disney and dissolved Nemo would have a pretty bitter taste, as the despicable me franchise has. It was a good movie. I remember seeing the first featurette and the first thing I did was go to my parents, show them the featurette and say "this. I want to see this movie" Up until this day I haven't seen the third one. This also makes me anxious about other sequels. Haven't seen frozen yet, because I am actually scared it may take a turn for the worse. I've seen a few making offs and considering those I really shouldn't be afraid because they had that innovation of new texturing or something like that, and there were - even if it didn't feel like it - a decent amount of time between the first and second movie. Long story short: I do agree with you and sequels actually demotivate me to watch sequels....
@infinityrose92 I think Scrat is still perfectly fine because his appearance in the movies remains sparce. But I can see how to the majority his character is being watered down to a mechanic to advance the movies plot. The traits of the MC's are important to maintain, yet their personalities should continue to develop and they shoudn't stay the same. As for the technological and animation part: I think a movie that has been innovative (as were finding nemo, Wall-e, Toy Story, the Lego Movie etc.) They should maintain that to some degree. I realize you can't create ground breaking new techniques on end with every movie, and that's fine, but there should be some aspect of improving how animations are created. Don't get me started on Wreck-It Ralph. I consider this one as one of the worst sequels I've seen. I think what they didn't realize is that you don't need characters to be interacting with modern stuff to be relatable to younger people. It felt super awkward and the story itself felt kind of... forced. The characters didn't fit into the setting. It was just overall awkward to watch. Now, that you tell me frozen 2 ain't good.... Despite the innovation the movie holds I kind of don't want to watch it. I'm pretty undecided on it and I was ever since it came out. Not sure what I gonna do, we'll see...
I, for one, can’t agree with a Wall-E sequel. We already know how things turned out when they returned to Earth. The end credits perfectly illustrate the progression of society and life on Earth as the humans relearned how to farm, build cities, and hunt/fish. And this was after Wall-E and EVE’s relationship was wrapped up perfectly and we knew the humans were going to be okay. There’s really no need for a sequel. As much as we all would love to see our little robots again, they would have to really dig and stretch to find a relevant narrative they haven’t covered yet for a sequel.
Or maybe just have one movie, a complete story from start to end and no sequels at all. I agree with the previous comment that story of Wall-E would be difficult to continue as the ending is very clear about humans and robots helping each other to restore Earth back to its state before heavy pollution. There are tons of great movies, especially from the past that were single, on their own and didn’t give rise to trilogies. In fact, forcing sequels to get a trilogy or a franchise with more than 3 movies is what causes decline in the story quality in a lot of franchises, like Star Wars or Shrek. Why produce sequels when some movies, books or games don’t need continuation? You can always go back and rewatch after a certain time, having a single movie doesn’t mean you have to give up on the story.
@Azure Disk I wish there was more good Hand Drawn 2D, Digital 2D, and Stylized 3D animations I want to make some indie animations someday of various styles and genres
@marianne mccrank 2D (movies specifically, 2D TV shows are entering a new renaissance) is only really dead in America. Japan, Korea, and China are still going strong with anime. In Europe 2D is also going strong, French animation in particular is as good as it always has been. 2D never left the rest of the world, just moved out of the Americas.
imagine growing up now. pandemics, mass amounts of rules to follow with mass amounts of consequences. and this being your entertainment. What have we done we worked so hard for nothing and created a crappier world to live in.
I can say with absolute certainty it isn't a peach. I don't listen to modern music because it's all written by the same people who are not in the slightest talented (in my opinion), most movies are franchises, art is just about the money, and everything that made the world 'better' has made it tougher to be yourself and be creative. Please just stop all this capitalism in creativity. It's ruining the world for future generations.
You guys are forgetting how amazing kids SHOWS are nowa days There's so much representation, they deal with very complex concepts the art and music is generally breathtaking (I'm looking at you Kipo) Remember when every single hero looked the same so the action figures could use the same model for all of them? We live in a far better world than that, now, just go watch a kids show if ever you feel disheartened
@@whalesharko4465 find me a working action figure that wasn't built by the lowest bidder in china nowadays all kids get now is overpriced cheaply made crap where the colors don't match and they got the name wrong at least back in the day the figures were consistant
Would you watch another minions movie?
Also: Tongue slip about Genndy and PPG
NO
never
It happens so often with people I understand at this point and plus genndy did do a lot of work on powerpuff girls just ya know never made it.
it’s worse than shark tale.
Yep
Yes, i liked the whole sixties thing with the music and the king bob
*I don't care about the children, all i care about is their money*
-Mr. Krabs
Crab boi is best girl
Their parents' money*
Cheapy The Cheapskate
Argargargargargarg
LOL
Whats really strange is that Sony Animation made the Emoji movie but also made Into the Spider-Verse a year apart from each other.
So clearly there's someone over there that has respect for the medium.
bestmarty Genndy Tartakovsky for example. The Hotel Transylvania films are good.
Spiderverse took 4 years to make
They were made by different ppl.Spider-verse was made by Phil Lord and Chris Miller who are exactly what we need in animation rn,while I don't even give a sh*t about who made The Emoji Movie.
MatPat did a video about the Emoji movie. The whole thing was one long product placement.
@@logannottheonefrommarvel9917 and it paid off
I like how they had to retcon out the fact that the minions would've absolutely worked for Hitler
am i the only one that now wants to see this?
Nah, they didn't.
He lived too long to actually have had them as minions.
The thought of Nazi minions blurting “Heil Hitler” is mildly amusing lol
He probably couldn’t take being around them anymore.
Maybe Hitler was a minion in this universe lol
Reason Despicable Me 1 is good and the others aren’t:
DM1: Vector
DM2: no vector
DM3: no vector
Minions: no vector
Not a coincidence guys
this is some deep sh't.
Facts
I recently watched despicable 3 in netflix and I really loved it
@TurboTime yeah kinda
All of the Despicable Me movies (Including Minions) are awesome though...
The worst part is that the existence of this film makes me feel bad for loving the original Despicable Me. That film had heart. This film, did not.
Same
So true, I’ll never forget Vector. Do people even remember him that much?
@@dclark6029 he was the best villian
@@vee1193 He sure was, too bad a lot of people don't remember him though. :/
Mr. Friendship amen
I think the worst thing about the Minions is that they overshadowed a pretty good plot about an evil villain adopting little orphan girls. Like, I was more interested in the plot than the corn pops, and yet the corn pops won out.
I only saw the Minions in that film as comic reliefs, just like something out of a Disney movie. But once they're everywhere, even to the point of having their own movie (and an upcoming sequel apparently too), they got pretty overwhelming and annoying.
@@michaelstrong5383 Yeah, it's too much of a unique thing. I used to think they were cute, and now they're just...really annoying.
are minions the reason why we never see fan favorite characters again?
@@pedrosaabedra5653 Guess so. Though, to be fair, they never gave the middle sister anything to work with in all three Despicable Me movies anyway.
I honestly agree.
That popeye short was made by some really talented people... Could have been a huge thing
It looked like shit just like the popeye cartoons it wss based on
@@xxProjectJxx Are we filming a movie in Arizona? Because that was a hot take.
Popeyes had a chance but the problem was more that the original came out before generation nostalgia began. That’s why we see the lion king, transformers and even fuller house but not Popeye.
My disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined
The Popeye movie could have been a big thing if the FUCKERS AT SONY DIDN'T CANCEL IT FOR THE SHITY EMOJI FILM.
"remember scrat? we'll talk about him later"
never brings him up again
Good.
What a twist!
Maybe that is the point - you are supposed to forget about the side characters, not turn them into the main heroes...
He did while talking about short gags that are meant to be just funny but shouldn't make a whole movie. You would have connected the dots if you had remembered it :p
I think thats just a script rewrite
Children's media is what is helping to shape the next generation, and therefore needs to be given more care, heart, and creativity.
Children's media is proving that a child's eyes belong in a book.
@@TheFakeyCakeMaker Wich... are part of media... and... still have a lot of trash just like the rest of media...
For real, my childhood was shaped by my favorite game and it's story. Persona 3 taught me how to appreciate art, all kinds. Writing, Paintings, Animation.
BACK IN MY DAY, we had some texture to our media. The media people remember, at least.
Batman TAS and the rest of the DCAU were insightful and engaging stories that are accessible to children while being enjoyable to adults. We don't remember our Minions, but I'm sure there was one.
@@solar2696 My game was HoMM 4, because the stories got translated into my language with cool voice actours (really good quality imo) so as a kid I could understand them.. and Heroes 4 had a lot of cool campany stories and you could play with heroes only, build your char etc. and have a feeling of RPG.... In Heroes 4, there were a lot of long emotional texts that popped up during your gameplay, way more than in HoMM 3... and for young me, new graphic felt surreal and realistic, new animations etc. so I preffered IV grpahics over III... now, in modern times when I looked at 4's graphics I was like - wtf is this, I dont remember it that way, and HoMM 3 has cool timeless graphics but back then it was vice versa for me xD
It's not just animation either. See Disney and its live action remakes: no need to create a new story, people will watch it anyway bc of the legacy of the animations. It's such a shame.
The worst part is that there isn’t anything we can do about it.
@@Fortniteloverepic No, Mulan is more of an readaptation of the Mulan legend, it will have big changes to the animated movie, for example no Mushu, no Li Shang, not even Songs as far as I know. In the animated movie Mulan killed a bunch of people but the live-action movie will have even more violence and be more action based.
@@countgeekula3046 more likely no killing, extensive virtue signalling, and somewhere in the film a transsexual gets hugged by everybody.
@@SD-tj5dh i'm gonna bet on this guy. Disney's been milking the heck outta remakes & adding little 'woke' one-offs.
Mulan's gonna be a disappointment. quite a shame really.
@@waluigiisthebest2802 If it refreshes, these movies are not doing so much money as some years ago
I'm still pissed at Sony for cancelling Genddy Tartakovsky's Popeye movie project in favor of the trainwreck of a film "Emoji Movie"
Same!
Actually, I think that is a myth, but the point still stands. They cancelled what could have been a MAJOR hit and then made one of the worst animated films of all time! It's a travesty!
It was the Sony hack, stop spreading a myth
Banana Child popeye can still be made by any company he’s in the public domain.
I couldn't agree more
A couple things could have been added.
1. the first (and arguably the second) Despicable Me films were actually funny, charming, and heartwarming. The plot was centered around Gru and the girls, and the Minions served as no more than just small side characters with a maximum 5 minutes of meaningful screen time. Unfortunately though, they got a whole lot more attention than they needed, and became the poster-child of Illumination, who had literally just made their first movie.
2. Believe it or not, some studios are learning! Sony Animation in particular just announced their upcoming lineup, and it legitimately looks promising, and some of their more recent films have actually been really good! (They even have an adult animated film in the works.)
IKR?
This video is kinda pointless, it could've been articulated better
@@florencialopez5119 this comment is poor it could have been articulated better
@@maisonfuller4382 :(((( I'm so sorry for giving a short statement, instead I should've made an essay on it
Aren't they making an animated ghostbusters movie? Well if so I hope it sticks to the same animation style as their very own Spiderverse and Mitchell's vs the Machines. I also hope that it tries pulling off a new story that actually tries being emotional without tugging at your heartstrings like the end of Afterlife.
Disclaimer: I liked Afterlife's ending with that Tribute to Harold Ramis.
I'll never stop being mad at how popeye got canceled.
@Azure Disk Special mention here for Tron uprising, a phenomenal show that was given a terrible timeslot on a channel for an audience a little too young for it, and then disney canned it.
It got cancelled for the damn emoji movie. Never forget, never forgive.
@Azure Disk I forgot Tron Legacy exists. I need to rewatch it.
Alright. That profile pic is so OwO. It's just OwO. A perfect OwO/OwO.
Terry R. It didn’t, it’s just a coincidence of timing that led to many people making an assumed causation
*"The Money is always right!"*
_-Mr. Krabs_
"The celling is right Squidward. You're not very good employee."
Patrick
This is why capitalism sucks tbh. If the profit motive works, why does Adam Sandler still have a career?
Scientist Walter without capitalism, you wouldn’t be making a UA-cam comment from your phone/laptop.
Tyler Johnson sure, maybe? An argument about governments and technical revolutions doesn’t really apply here though, since we’re discussing capitalism’s negative effects on the entertainment/film industry.
@@beefchillingham6790 Except the internet R&D was funded primarily by the State so yeah. That being said, that doesn't make it socialism but it does make it done by public funds.
The most unforgivable crime of the minions is that their origin was actually retconned with the Minions movie. It was hinted that Gru created them. It makes sense. If we want to overthink things, minions should be a much more common site in their world if they were around since the "caveman era." This just further proves your videothat they just mashed ideas together without any proper thought.
Last I heard, the minions movie was Gru telling the Minions a made up origin story so that he didn't have to say they're his creations.
@Peruvian Leftist Fella lost was always about the characters- not the mystery. If you didnt like the ending then you missed the point of the show entirely
Minions lore is crazy
@Peruvian Leftist Fella they were not dead the whole time in lost. The ending to lost was the same as the ending to titanic. You know how when rose died as an old lady she woke up on the titanic and was back there with everyone. That ending did not mean the titanic never crashed and it did not mean her whole life was a lie....it just simply ment in the afterlife she met back up with them.
Lost is the same. The island was very important to them. So when they died (some of them many years after the the final scenes) they all meet up in the afterlife to move on together.
@@theendofit this one gets it!
I see “Klaus” by Netflix as a beacon of hope for animated movies.
Especially because it is 2D, something that seems to be rare these days
That movie is amazing
I love that movie!
That was a fantastic movie
Love death robots is really good too
Didn't even mention how terribly Illumination treats their animators. They are underpaid and overworked, specifically because they don't prioritize their creative staff at all. The movie itself is an afterthought from the brand.
Is that really true?
@Azure Disk To be fair, Kyoto animation is not the average in terms of animation even within their contemporaries (studios from Japan). They are on the cutting edge of both techniques and worker treatment. If we are to see the entirety of Japan's animation industry you can see it trending more towards Illumination, make as much with as little as fast as possible.
I hate the 'animation is for kids' mentality too, but it does spawn from logic. Western animation tends to make most of it's money from merchandising which is marketed towards kids due to how effective it is. Minions makes bank on external products sold which snowballs into making money for the sequels. It's a system devoid of creativity, but it's safe and it works. Anime likewise is marketed towards Otaku whose money is the lifeblood of the industry (who else would pay for overpriced blue-ray box sets and figures?) and follows similar marketing schemes. Regardless of what the audience or the creators think animation is still a business, and that deal with the devil is a necessary evil to even produce anything at all. That said, there is certainly an imbalance and can't he healthy for the long term health of the craft.
@@konkonart7128 Generalizing is bad mate, Japan's animation industry does have a problem on how it treats it animators (not a unique phenomenon, many US studios or studios from other countries also have this problem) Kyoani while great isn't unique in that regard, also while there are many trash shows (taste is subjective) made to just to suck money out of otaku, this practice isn't the standard for the industry, yes the production companies (studios unless they are in the production committee, they only get the job on what to do)do want to make money (like any business) but it isn't the main focus of many series, their first priority is to tell a great story (adapt it most of the time) with good animation or music ect. ( you get the idea).
@Azure Disk kyoani paying their animators a livable wage is incredible, especially considering the hell that is being an animator in the anime industry.
Shame what happened, really. I hope they recover from it.
@Azure Disk I'm no legal expert, but the money was donated for "the victims and their families", NOT for the company. I think that's less problematic.
In a parallel universe, Megamind won the recognition over Despicable Me and the animation industry was saved
I always far preferred Megamind, but in a way I'm glad it wasn't as popular at its time. Who knows how ruined it could have become had it been franchised?
@@smoothglass8028 Not necessarily. There weren't any corn pops specifically designed to be marketable in Megamind, it had better drive with story and deep characters.
And based on HTTYD's treatment so far, Dreamworks can give the franchise the respect it deserves even when given the opportunity to cheaply milk its popularity. They could have made Hidden World a marketing mess like Despicable Me's sequels and spinoffs, but instead they made it a good movie with heart and most notably a _conclusion to the trilogy,_ leaving the milking to go on with shows and specials that seem pretty separate from the movies' canon. Megamind could have received a similar fate and I certainly wouldn't object.
Smooth Glass
Megamind had infinitely better material to work with (and no mutated corn dogs) so it's less likely that it would've suffered the same fate.
I feel Megamind was probably best left as a single movie. It was a good movie that didn't need a sequel. Not that it didn't deserve a sequel, it just didn't need a sequel. The story of the villain becoming the hero ended with a nice little bow.
Code - megamind was a hell of a fun movie.
I watched Wall-E a few days ago (I was a kid when I saw it for the first time and never saw it again) and what struck me was the amazing story, a lot of creative ideas outside the box and everything fitting in a greater picture. It was so different to all animation nowadays. Animation shouldn't be just for kids, but it is starting to be. Kids enjoy simple, flat and giggly characters just as much or even more than deeper, well-established characters. We should be careful that we don't let this be the new standards for animation, as it has so much more to offer than franchises and remakes and kids' movies.
By the way, Wall-E is amazing. Even when you remember the story, it is a masterpiece and so much fun to watch.
Well said, I totally agree. The point I was trying to make earlier up is that both types of animation have a place, we don't need to sacrfice one for the other. Thanks for putting it so eloquently and basically giving me the words I was missing.
My dad who isn't into animated movies that much loves wall-E saying its quite a unique movie.
My favorite movie as a kid. I ended up rewatching it yesterday. Such a rare treat.
Yea, nowdays there's one masterpiece for every 50 shit movies
silvia romano yep
My aunt was so offended when I said the minions and boss baby are dumb 😂😂
ohhhh them you have to say my grandma how she love the live action of beauty and beast...
Dumb fun isn't always bad imo. There are probably a lot more worse dumb films than those
@@revimfadli4666 "Dumb" and "dumb fun" aren't the same thing. Also, both are subjective so you're going to get different opinions.
She sounds like a boomer
Let me guess, your aunt is the type of woman who's sending cringe "wish you a happy monday" Facebook pictures with Smurfs and Minions on it, into your family group? 😂
Everyone knows Shrek 5 has been sitting in Area 51 for years.
We're heading there on the 20th dont forget to request off work.
My time traveling future self said shrek 5-20 are in area 51 and that shrek 8 and 12 are the best even better than 2.
behold the 20th when it will finally be free and released to the Public
Well there’s September 20
Who the frick told you
"This is Bad for Animation"
Lion King 2019: "Hold my photo-realistic bugs."
Both suck
>Makes photorealistic lions
>Doesn't give them balls
Lion king has horrible reviews tho..
@@DubmoOfficial That didn't stop it from becoming the number one highest grossing animated film of all time.
@@michaelstrong5383 those poor movie goers... press f to pay respects
I think one of the big problems that feeds into this is the United States’s lack of respect for animation and for children’s media.
“Animation is just for kids.”
“It’s just for kids, so who cares if it’s bad?”
According to the U.S., animation is either strictly for adults or strictly for children.
HP Copycat I’m part of the u.s and I didn’t say that
Spencer Boyce I’m American too, I’m just pointing out that it’s mostly U.S. audiences who endorse the stereotype
HP Copycat k
@JayLeeBeanz uhh have you ever watched as told by ginger? King of the hill? Proud family? etc. There are plenty of good slice of life western cartoons. Not because you've only watched shitty western cartoons means they're all shit. Plenty of animes are also shit lol but people don't judge the whole medium for that.
Would you like to talk about how AMAZING Laika Studios' animated movies? So much soul and creativity!
They truly are
Shame they only come out once in a blue moon and make no money, meaning they have a pretty niche audience
I have a bracelet I got from a Kids Meal (Burger King I think?) and it's Kubo's string bracelet from Kubo and The Two Strings. I love the movie, and I still wear the bracelet all the time.
@@megaascension2748 They put a Laika movie in a kids meal
@@superninja493 Yeah, Burger King had Kubo toys. I wouldn't have known unless I got a Kids Meal at Burger King for a snack.
Wait- Somebody else on the internet besides me still cares about Ice Age?
I mean, Shrek is great, but especially the first Ice Age deserves much more than getting basically no atention at all.
The first Ice Age was great but there are just to many of them now which is diluting the brand so to speak.
@@frostythechimneysweep1171 Too much of everything is bad. That's why I don't watch Marvel movies anymore.**yawn**
Ice age 2 is also amazing
Personally, I find the first _Ice Age_ fantastic, the second one good, the third one "meh", the fourth one pretty bad but enjoyably so, and the fifth... *OH MY GOD, IT'S SO DEVOID OF CHARACTER, IT'S ACTUALLY THE FIRST TIME I WALKED OUT OF THE CINEMA FEELING EMPTY, IT'S THAT BAD.*
The 1st Ice Age is a childhood favorite. I find it weird that they made the animals more anthropomorphic every movie mean while humans supposively coexist with them.
I remember watching minions, and how I was more interested in Scarlet, the villian, compared to the f minions. I think they lost the opportunity to expand her story or give her more scenes.
YES
Tbh the entire movie should’ve just been about Scarlet
Yess I loved Scarlet
That’s the only reason I decided to watch the movie lol! But now I’m sad I wasted my money 😂
@@kaylahebbon3524 you could have pirated
or waited till Netflix put it out
I was once told at an anime convention, that held a job fair, this statement, "Well, don't you want to sell your idea?" after I pitched my idea for a 3d animated series I'm working on. I responded with "I mean making money would be a good outcome of it, but if the story sucks, then what's the point?" Telling a great story that draws people in will surpass and outlast all the money you will ever make from merch and for that, that's how I want my series to be remembered for.
Because like Walt Disney himself said, "I make money to make movies."
Or Michael Scott: "You have to play to win, but you have to win to play."
I understood the first one, but the second one was lost in translation to me.
@@seekertosecrets it's business advice from branch manager to temp attending business school in The Office - you have to be out there in order to succeed, but you also have to succeed in order to be out there.
@@beardupbeerdown7355 The second quote seems to imply that any industry is a closed loop that is impossible to break into. A catch 22, realistic yet also pessimistic.
Can we get a small sample/summary of the project?
This is why Pixar & Dreamworks are in a league of their own. Storytelling matters a lot. Majority of their movies are great, even sequels!
No
Perfect examples are "How To Train Your Dragon" or "Kung Fu Panda"
@@Leon玲央 then you have Madagascar
@@Leon玲央 Not really
What? Dreamworks movies are retarded compared to Pixars. Pixar movies have substance. Dreamworks are like “alright” movies
Minions: **exist**
40yr old white moms: it's free real estate
😐 *coughs in awkward silence of no laughter*
Eh, if they get people to hate the minions, then it's a sacrifice I accept
BUSTER it was pretty funny
@@Motimurpolat Nah, not really
@@Motimurpolat no one finds these comments funny
I want a slow paced Minions war movie set in Iraq
Thomas _ TK me too
Minions serving Osama Bin Laden
@@kieranschafer5180 Minions planning and executing 9/11
. . . yeah, I'd watch that
DawnPraiser how do I fine that
I'm really sad the fucking minions overshadowed Gru and the girls. I loved the first Despicable Me.
I care about Gru a lot. He’s my favourite character, in fact.
Vector is the best villain, too.
Eh
Altrought i Like all 3 movies, i hate how the minions basically steal the spotlight from the other characters. I wish they remained what they were in the first movie, cheap comic relifes that basically only appeared in some Second long scenes, that just serve as filler. And thats a lot, since i hated the minions since they were introduced in the franchise as whole
Same here. When I was a kid and watched this movie, I didn't care that much about Minions. They were cute and funny, that's all I felt for them. I was actually interested in the main plot more.
And Dr Nefario
The animated films and books I grew up with are what triggered my imagination as a kid, I would see images of beautiful worlds in my head, I would think things like "what if toys could talk? What if clouds were alive? What kind of adventures could this thing have?" I was so full of creative energy then, and still am due to what I grew up with. I just can't imagine the kind of imaginations the kids who grow up with minions and other cheap films will have, it makes me really sad to think about. I hope something changes soon.
Good animated movies were literally what inspired me to start animation and learn animation, in fact, as a kid i always wished to learn animation soo i cloud make my own short, my own movies and more
Consume product, then get excited for next product
@@SparkTFS then repeat
What about the LOONEY TUNES? Their stories had no continuity or morals. It was done for pure kiddie entertainment
@@JishinimaTidehoshi definitely false. The cinematic animated shorts of that era, above all Looney Tunes, were written for adult audiences. Kids didn't get the Robinson and Bogart gangster and film noir references, or the adult innuendo rife in old Looney Tunes, but they enjoyed the hijinks. There was something for everyone
"[Stuart Little] could have even been a kid"
He actually is (in the book). The premise of the book is that he's a tiny human who looks (and acts) like a mouse. I don't remember if the movie actually says he's a mouse, but the book says he's a human who strongly resembles a mouse.
Delta Jim woaa I never read this book and this clarifies so much! Thanks for the info!
I read Stuart Little, as a kid. That reference of him being a mouse, jumped out to me as well. He wasn't a mouse in the book.
I read the book and he was a mouse. Remember the chapter where his parents put him down a sink to unclog it. There were even illustrations of him being a moise
Source/quote/exerpt?
Stuart little committed war crimes in Syria and is a fucking piece of shit god I want to strangle that fucking filthy rat
I really enjoyed the first Despicable Me. It was cute and fun, had a lot of heartfelt moments. But that really just makes me hate the other movies more, because they took a movie close to my heart and stomped all over it
I absolutely agree with you. After the first movie, it loses its charm.
Especially the third one..
I just didn't liked it as a kid at all..
i agree! it originally felt like a nice movie but they just kept milking the original idea
@@livispuzzled they actually did the opposite of milking the original idea. They threw away almost every aspect of the first film, like the good jokes (jokes like gru freezing the row of people to get the coffee, him raising his car together with someone else, and eventually smashing him, that was a funny joke) the good chemistry between characters, the emotional moments, the good villain (we stan Victor) and the surprisingly good music, and removed it for shit
The first despicable me was definitely good and more fun than most Pixar or DreamWorks films at that time. But afterwards it really began to suck, and the Minions film was the absolute low point.
“It’a a series of scenes of minions doing things”-ralphthemoviemaker
he basically stole from the ralph the movie maker video and made it less funny
camarenscontent video?
@@XeonGame what
can't believe we could've had a popeye movie but instead we got yellow banana mutants
No we could've had a popeyes movie but they got rid of it for the emoji movie
Its actually coming back with a new studio
They cancelled Popeye for the emoji movie.
I think now it's a perfect time to say that... reality is often horribly disappointing...
I read that with Mio's voice thanks to your avatar and it fits so much.
I'm scared for the Mario movie, which is being made by Illumination.
Wait theres going to be a mario movie ........... ( hoping and praying that it does not turn out like any of the 90s cartoons)
Actually, Nintendo stated that they are going to make sure that the movie is made the way they want it to be. After all, it's Nintendo, so of course they're going to protect their most popular franchise.
@@Serpenfishil The same company that is milking all their games? (Like most of game developers tbh)
@@alternaterealitygamejerk7311 at least they put care into their franchises, a good example would be the Zelda series. Whenever they release a new game in their series, they at least put some new features, ideas, and other things into that game.
@@Serpenfishil Good point
It's kinda sad really, that modern kids movies seem exclusively made for kids.
I watched The Iron Giant for the first time this week, and I wish we could go back to when kids movies could be enjoyed by adults.
If i were to make a movie, there would not be ANY annoying fart jokes, i just would care if the people were entertained, amazing talented and creative people could make a movie for FUN, not for the MONEY.
Tell that to my 57 year old minion-obsessed aunt
I don't think that being made for kids is an excuse for making terrible movies honestly kids are usually way smarter than people give them credit for and tend to like good quality movies more than trash that's made only for money
@Shr1mpSush1, are we going to pretend that Pixar movies like Inside Out and Coco, Kung Fu Panda movies, movies like Zootopia, Klaus on Netflix, etc, don't exist as good modern kids movies??
The only solution there is, is to create a separate side of animation, called animation for people of ages 12+. The age rating will always have to be specified, because as long as the media thinks children = dumb, there wont be a fair chance of creating more deep and thought provoking animated movies without corporations ruining them.
They could’ve made a ok movie without the minions maybe as a side character for comic relief from time to time but not the whole movie
Yup, minions only work as side characters, not main stars
"Cater a movie to kids is doomed to fail, but cater to adults AND kids it will succeed." I might've messed up the original quote but it holds SOME truth to it.
Parents control the money spent for the kids, after all. And also spread the word-of-mouth to other parents
I don't see how those bullshit films can be anyhow interesting for adults. Unless retarded ones.
How To Train Your Dragon 3, which came out this year, was about love, loss (including a widowed man talking about his wife and the beauty of love even though it hurts), sacrifice and responsibility. The human characters are young 20-somethings reconciling themselves to the idea of marriage, amidst pressure from their people. The protagonists down their lives for each other. Some of the joke sequences are unnecessary and childish, but the meat of the film would appeal more to adults. The ending is definitely bittersweet. Dreamworks did a great job. The Kung Fu Panda trilogy, while sillier, also has strong themes. Dreamworks still make movies like Boss Baby and Trolls (probably in part to earn money to tackle bigger projects) but overall they make really beautiful movies. HTTYD and Kung Fu Panda are stunning, with genuinely compelling characters, utterly breathtaking visuals (HTTYD2 was nearly photorealistic in animation quality and used their new animation capacities to make some incredible and genuinely creative sequences) and really, really, really good music. If they keep it up, I’d say Dreamworks is doing a great job.
No. The target audience is PG13. It’s as difficult to get an adult movie made as a good kids movie. Remember the kerffuful about Logan and Deadpool ? They actually rereleased Deadpool as a P13 cut. The studios want kids and teenagers and young adults and nostalgic adults all to see the same movie. The Lion King for example.
The Wii I failed for this reason.
So are we just gonna ignore the fact that Despicable Me overshadowed Megamind, the greatest animated movie ever
The original Despicable Me would have been a good stand-alone movie. It would have been far better without the minions, but it still had value.
I do believe that Megamind was probably better, but I feel like it's wrong to suggest that Despicable me was entirely undeserving of it's victory.
Nonetheless, the Despicable Me Franchise, and the minions. are crimes against animation.
Both of them are great films
Megamind was a masterpiece for sure
PeePeePooPoo needs an animated movie
Let me break your bubble there. It is tons of fun but is definitely not the greatest animated movie ever. Even amongst DreamWorks, that competition is between Shrek 1 & 2, Kung Fu Panda Trilogy and HRTYD trilogy
I think the reason why Minions did so well it's because it's easy to change languages using the characters because the Minions don't speak any certain language, therefor it is easier to promote and sell the film internationally.
reminds me of hoyt's speech in fc3
the same way the super animals in Super Animal Royale dont have a specific language.
Yep, it’s about monetary marketability
No wonder they don't speak anymore, like some used to
I’ve always been disgusted with child marketing... like for example, whenever I’m stocking juices and I see Dori’s face on the packaging, it makes me so irritated. It feels so predatory and I hate it.
Cross promotion advertisements towards children is gross, yes. It doesn't just prey on the children, but also the parents who are intentionally forced into conflicts with their children in the hopes that they give in and buy.
I used to really like the blue's clues kraft Mac and cheese... I'm not 100 percent positive but I think it was shaped like the dog. Idk I really liked it personally lol
The reason companies still use this tactic is: it works, and it's worked for quite longer than most people realize. Example: I'm old enough to remember candy cigarettes. Small, sugar-packed rods of candy sold in packages almost identical to actual cigarette packaging. Fortunately, I didn't fall into the trap myself, but I grew up at a time when almost everyone smoked. Anyone who tries to deny the harmful effects of second-hand smoke will get more than an earful of pushback from me. Here endeth the rant.
What do Minions have to do with targeting children? More adults like them than kids do.
@@kiillabytez ok bot
they were fine until Facebook mom's got a hold of them
They weren't great to begin with but I didn't mind them till they got shoved down all of our throats
thats the problem with creating a character totally devoid of context or meaning- you can slap any old shit on top of it and it will appeal. Minions are the modern day equivalent to what Garfield was in the 80s. That shit was everywhere and no one read the garfield comics- they just liked the grumpy funny cat that they could pair a lame phrase with. Today's facebook mom meme was yesterday's bumper sticker and suction cup figure on the rear window.
@@rebeccagibbs4128
Garfield is a cat who says funny things
@@jasoninkurai5463 if you know the story about garfield's origin and eventual success the cartoonist designed him to be as commercial and inoffensive as possible after his more edgy and creative cartoons were not successful. As i said, in the 80s when i was growing up garfield was massive- everyone had a coffee mug, or a toy, or a bumper sticker, or the suction cup cats on the windshields, on t-shirts- pre internet garfield was viral levels successful because everyone could relate to a simply character. It wasnt due to his comic comedic chops by any stretch.
@@rebeccagibbs4128
I was just referencing Lasagna Cat, the web series about Garfield
Minions makes a ton of money while Laika's newest film Missing Link just flopped recently.
That is why we can't have nice things.
The marketing for that movie was pretty annoying. They started showing trailers for it almost a year before it came out, every time I went to watch a movie I had to sit through that same trailer (always the same trailer). By the time it came out, I was already sick of it. I'm sure it was a fun movie, but their marketing department failed them.
I wanted to go to the cinema to watch it, but I was to late. At least at my cinema every Laika film after Coraline was shown for just a week or two. I was realy unlucky with the date they came out in my country and missed all of them because of moving, starting university, writing my bachelor... And when I have time to the cinema there is only the 7th week of the lion king remake, a crapy and much too late LEGO film ripoff, Pets and Angry Birds two and some cheep and horrible looking children book adaptions.
Laika has the opposite problem that illumation has,where illumation makes millions through mediocre movies,laika makes little money through amazing movies
To be fair Missing Link wasn't their best film. I still loved the attention to detail they put into the animation but I didn't find the characters or the story particularly appealing, especially in comparison to their other films. I would still much rather watch Missing Link again rather than be forced to sit through the Minions Movie again. I could say the same for a lot of the more lackluster films from good studios.
While I admired the animation and Visual side of the Missing Link, the movie itself just wasn’t good. The characters were unlikeable, the story bland and predictable, and the humor aimed at five year olds. I felt so disappointed after sitting through it. It’s a shame all that work and beautiful animation didn’t go to a better film. Despicable Me, despite the minions was a pretty pleasant film and the minions themselves, though dumb, can get a laugh out of adults, while Missing Link was just awkward. And I’m an animation obsessed illustration student; I walked into that cinema prepared to love the movie
I feel attacked. As a writer, I mean.
Imagine spending years developing a story and then seeing a movie like this make so much more than you ever will. _that_ is how we feel =_=
The Marvel Dork I dunno - it’s sort of like that thing with art where people say, “My kid could do this.” Yeah - but could they make millions off it? Some people just have a talent for appealing to the mainstream - for being popular - and whatever it is, it isn’t like just anyone can do it, because ironically, the vast majority of people who work so much harder die in obscurity. And for that matter, even most people with run of the mill mediocre ideas don’t make it either. So respect where respect is due - being mediocre kind of takes talent.
But acknowledging the demographic of your selected medium is a part of it's artistry.
@@firezdog
Lessons learned: must be mediocre and lazy. Got em
@@robbiewarhol672 Yes, but who's the demographic here? This kind of film turns entertainment into money, the audience into actors, and the bank into the audience. "Actors put entertainment into the audience" is now the same as "audience put money into the bank", and when your target demographic is the bank that's all the producers care about.
It's not storytelling, it's a transaction.
@@dafoex bars
This is even funnier after the rise of gru blew up the theatres
Consider this:
The people who write dialogue for minions which is just incomprehensible Spanish gets paid almost millions of dollars
Minion-ese is a blend of several languages.
I dislike minions as much as the next guy but that statement is false and misleading
@@moocats I'm exaggerating but I'm not wrong
Robert MacArthur I thought it was a mix of English and Spanish gibberish.
no its just gibberish
Studio Laika is amazing, I wish they made the money they deserve.
When Missing Link was an surprisingly gigantic bomb, it did make us pretty sad because while it is an average kids’ flick because of its kiddie tone, it is a good one because its animation is adventurously professional!
But when Paranorman bombed at the box office while other 2010s animation with much more CGI (Illumination Entertainment films are obvious examples, but we could also use DreamWorks Animation’s recent films like Home, Trolls and The Boss Baby as examples) did much better at the box office, it was enraging because while Missing Link is decent, Paranorman is almost as atmospherically scary and inventively Stop-motion animated as Coraline and Kubo! Speaking of the latter...
When Kubo and the Two Strings bombed and never risen at the box office, I seriously gave up on humanity because the complaints people have towards this film (LOOKING AT YOU, YMS!! COCO ALSO DESERVED BETTER!!) about its characters being weak, its writing being cliched and its animation being underwhelming despite all that effort with the origami papers and atmosphere in the ancient Japanese settings LAIKA put into them. Surely, it has a strong following that understands the brilliance of Kubo and the Two Strings as one of the many first-rate stop-motion films, but even with that, it can’t stop me from putting it on my list of “Most Underrated Animations” if I made it.
[cries in studio ghibli]
I LOVE paranorman and the likes. LAIKA is great, coralline was stunningly haunting, paranorman was depressingly charming, and the boxtrolls was adorably awesome
@Chim Jim The "risk" was in making Missing Link at all. Marketing remains an entirely nebulous prospect. How does anyone get the word out to everyone without saturating every single platform known to man, which is known to upset anyone trying to avoid marketing in the first place? Usually, when people see marketing, they decide right then and there to see the product or not, no matter how many times it's perpetuated. That's not a risk, that just a dumb strategy.
Moviegoer: I cut the cable and only watch streaming services.
also Moviegoer: When did this come out in theaters? I WUZ NEHVUR TOLD! TAYK MOHR RIXXXX!
It's funny how Minions manipulate us into becoming ... Minions.
Brilliant!
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BANANA!!!!!
Minions is an interesting retrospective on society and consumerism at its finest. minions being representative of society & the villains they worked for are our short term euphoria of owning new products. the main villains strikes me as an effective character believed to provide the happiness we as humans seek. the backstab proves the real hurdle of overcoming our own endless search for happiness within excessive consumption.
the lack of awareness of many gullible viewers of the real art behind minions is baffling.
Azmor EM so true...Now they go by “Bernie Bros”...good insight..
i wish every animated movie went the rango route and was interesting, unique, and contributed to the feel of the story and characters. rango's art is perfect.
Rango is spectacular.
It’s creative, off beat, story driven, and there’s even a snake with a glock 😩
I've never seen Rango but one day I will.
@@turkishundelightful5382 karl
Rango was an animated film right? I BARELY remember it. I remember the poster and maybe a water tower? That's about it.
I'm at the point where i think the box office numbers aren't real and it depends on money and investments
Azure Disk the Film Industry will easily live on, but Hollywood will, and must die.
Some how I agreed with you about that.
Let’s not forget about all those seriously awful Minion memes your mom will always leave a like on Facebook.
101ToonLink middle aged white women like my aunts, not my mother thankfully
Oh yeah....🤢
I've saw a few memes, and a lot of them make no sense.
my mum does not like minion memes dumb fuck
@@thatsicy good mum 👍
This can be done well. All of the shows I watched as a kid were semi-elaborate toy marketing: Ninja Turtles, He-Man, Transformers, GI Joe, Thundercats. All of them were basically toys first but generally good TV as well.
That's why cartoons were invented, because of legal restrictions limiting how much TV commercials were allowed to advertise to kids...
I liked the minions when I was like 8. They’re still around right now. Why.
There will always be eight-year olds. More importantly, there will always be adults desperate to keep kids occupied for more than an hour.
Yes minions need to die already.
Wanna know what’s worse than that?
Illumination simply copied Ubisoft’s homework and somehow became successful
(Minions are rip-offs of the Rabbids from Rayman)
Rabbid Ray oh yeah....
Except since the rabbids come from video games, they can be in a product of quality.
Jaxon Carter 2: electric bogaloo yup,I know the Rabbids came from a game franchise, but still-
The rabbids are more interesting then the minions as well and dare I say it have a way better character design
160tried&true exactly-
Long live the Rabbids! 🐰
Well, this finally explains why Secret Life of Pets felt so disjointed to me
??
@@robbiewarhol672 When I watched the film it felt like things were just happened without any reason, but I couldn't figure out why. Now I know it's because Illumination films are written around comedy setpieces, with the story being a secondary concern
That movie was a waste of time for me. I feel practically nothing about it except that one dog vaguely resembles a pet we once had... which is probably the marketing intention
This made all the more painful when seeing that the creators of Iron Giant were being rushed to get the movie out because the studio felt hand drawn animation was dead based on another movie of theirs nor performing to their standard.
Iron, Giant. One of the best animated movies that actually managed to blend the hand drawn of yesteryear with CG of that era and do it fairly seamlessly.
This kind of thing is happening with the games industry, it's been going on for years. Cartoony visuals/2D being hated by major platforms, while they typically age the best and wind up running better.
Sony has been against 2D games, now just old games in general for ages. Capcom apparently had to say "If you don't take Megaman 8 and MegaMan X4 you don't get Resident Evil" X4 being a game that holds up to this day because of it's visual aesthetics.
Eh I'm getting off topic. It's just a shame to see industries go on trends that they perceive as good vs what can be great if they let some original ideas flow.
Ever hear of the tragic failure of Disney's Treasure Planet? It was the dream of the directors, but 2D animation was trending out so the movie was purposely sabotaged by placing the release window during the release of mega hits while also creating next to no advertising for it. The all mighty corporate studio executives are the devil and constant companions of creatives.
Arc System works is the prime example on how to make a 3d game look as stylized as a 2d game. Just look at the latest Guilty Gear.
Companies are all about the money, not their original intent of pooling resources and working together to offer a better product. The idea of forming a team... they gave up all the positives and care only about money now.
Lest we forget the fact that Mega Man was literally the only Capcom series that got Archie Comics spinoffs, speaking of Capcom...
*seamlessly
*its visual aesthetics (possessive)
it's = contraction of "it is/has"
"Cars is fine, it's sequels not so much"
Cars 3 is a masterpiece, I'll have you know.
They're making movies that don't require much thought to laugh at. Instead of *"Two, well developed, fleshed-out characters making witty jabs and remarks at each other that require some trivial knowledge to understand and get"* (A completely random example), we have *"Hee hee look at funny yellow people say 'banana' in funny way, show butts toward screen"*
Was your random example MeGamind and Metro Man's duel in the observatory?
A lot of famous comedians have made a killing off of that exact type of comedy as well. Jim Carrey, Adam Sandler I could go on and on. Fact of the matter is, Different people are entertained by different things. They are first and foremost entertainers, there will always be an audience for pretty much any type or style of entertainment.
@@ismaeljrp1 I couldn't disagree any less about jim carrey. That man is pure artistic brilliance. Dumb and dumber is, well, dumb, but lots of Jim's character acting is honestly amazing. Not to mention he has great range, just watch eternal sunshine if you wanna see some seriously good dramatic acting
@@turbotaquitogoogle8095 I love Jim, and he's great, but he made a killing way before all of that other acting, yes I love Eternal Sunshine, one of my favorites along with the Truman Show where he's also great. I also love Sandler films, I wasn't slating them. I mention that their comedy style is absolutely cartoonish and ridiculous. But the point is many people love that, including me. I've seen Minions and it's an entertaining and funny film. Doesn't matter if the comedy is cheap. Entertainment level for me is high in those situations. Movies, acting, cinema. It's not always about trying to do some movie critics version of fine art, although that as well is great. Love me some No Country for Old Men, but doesn't mean something like Minions shouldn't exist or is bad.
A low budget movie that's basically a bunch of random and abstract ideas slapped together in a nonsensical incoherent way?
Almost sounds like an avante garde indie film lol
Or pretty much all of Marvel
@@kaistzar2831 We get it, you don't understand abstraction. That doesn't mean the creators didn't have an intent behind their ideas.
Just change low budget to high budget and you get marvel films
I want to know Godard's and Tarkovsky's opinions of Minions.
@@kaistzar2831 Stanley Kubrick wants a word with you...
When I was younger I loved Despicable Me and its sequel- they both had meaningful stories about family, and the minions were a funny and engaging element. But everything since has deteriorated the franchise for me. There was initially a good balance of humor and meaning but now it's all been thrown out the window for cheap humor instead.
I'd say Despicable Forces was pretty good at least
But otherwise i agree
I agree, the first two films were funny and charming and had something to say. Afterwards it all went downhill though.
Same, the first twoi were amazing. Both heartwarming and fun. Now its minion fest
Yay! Cheap humor!
This is one of those "It's 3AM and I have no idea how I got here" videos.
Actually it was 3:45 AM
And then the Secret Life of Pets 2 came out and ruined all box office expectations, and sorta bombed
*GOOD*
How do you sequelize such a simple, banal idea?
"Animals at kinda like people in private"
I mean, even the ACTUAL plot of the film had nothing to do with them acting like people. It was just a story of pets being jealous which already happens to real pets.
400 million dollars out an 80 million dollar budget isn't a bomb. Yet somehow I feel like it's going to be considered that now that more movies are making a billion dollars.
@@ColorTheoryEB Yeah, I put sorta in it because it was more of underwhelming expectations for everyone.
@marianne mccrank I find the plot really terribly handled. I know everyone says this but it's true, the movie feels like a first draft of a script.
But that's just my opinion
@Steven Lee Once again, it bombed Illumination standards. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
“It isn’t a bad movie by any means...”
It IS a bad movie by all means
Raúl Márquez yeah he contradicted himself later on, I’m glad I wasn’t the only one who picked up on that
Despicable me one and two are great. If you ignore the stupid bannana cancers.
Also despicable me two probably introduced a lot of kids to zombies
I like the first and second films, and the despicable forces game
But otherwise it's no
It is a very good movie by all means
@@a.i5233 Anything illumination is a disaster, so even DM and DM3 are awful
"A fifth Shrek movie is on the way."
You fool
Wait whattttt?
CarlSagen. It was a “Social Experiment“, the only reason people believed it was because Mr Beast retweeted one of the tweets.
Yeah. I just did research. And yeah it's a hoax.
Some Dude what are you talking about? dreamworks and universal are working on it. People got tricked into thinking it's coming out this year but that's just them being gullible and not understanding how these films work but the cast and people from Dreamworks have said it's being made
It's all ogre now
Exactly why my future children will grow up with the movies and shows I grew up with because all of these new films and shorts don’t teach them anything worth while, I’ve made a list of all the great animations I grew up watching and I can only imagine it’s a key part in what makes good people is the things they grow up around
what movies do you have on said list?
your list better have kfp1-3 in it
_Illumination is full of example when a studio make shallow animation just for profits with little to no creativity to them._
Disney has been doing this. They have been either remaking everything they can, or making live action versions of everything they have made. They don’t have any new ideas whatsoever. They are just trying to make money at this point
yeah, I have been hard avoiding them, if I want to watch one of their things I will just use online streaming lol
Walt Disney would be very disappointed
He put his heart and soul into Disney and yet this is what they're doing now
Him: Talks about today's movies and how
"There's something inherently wrong with a movie that exists not as art but as product."
Literally any 80s cartoon out there: First time?
Any 80s cartoon: Bro do you Akira? Bruh do you Secret of NIMH? Brih do you American Pop?
to be fair in the 80s the stories had to be atleast half-decent for kids to watch it enough to get the toys
Yes, but at least some of them tried to make something watchable from their property. Heck, some of those shows were way better than the toys, and had much more depth than you would expect from being based on some lump of plastic meant as a child's plaything.
The 80s had no bad show or film all amazing art
The minions are ruining animation. Illumination studios is the magnum opus of cash grabs and now every animated movie has “funny” little characters like the minions just for money.
We always hated characters that serve as nothing other than being "haha funny comic relifes".
Probably the only characters that fit in this category that i Like, are scrat (ice Age), and mort (Madagascar). Every other comic relif character that basically just is nothing but filler, frick off
@@deadchanel1298 They can be well written while one dimensional it's just it must be written where they annoy only the other characters and not the audience because that is the real comedy from them.
"Script?
*_theres no damn thing as script"_*
-Minion's Creator
Did he truly say this?
My dad did comics for over twenty years, he had a weekly strip that when it ended in such a heartwarming way it made me cry, it was something I read once a week with my dad all my life. And it ended because the news paper thought he was someone they could do without. Once he left a lot of people dropped the paper, my dad was the main reason they were still getting it. Art suffers, it suffers a lot. The three things that give a animated movie life have been stripped away. Storyboard replaced with crude jokes, characters replaced with the same set of personalities if I can even call them that, and art replaced with whatever is cheapest and fastest. All the salt of a movie is withheld. I just hope people like Alex Hirsch keep rising to the top.
I'm still pissed about Popeye. Why can't they release the movie? Great voice actors, great animation, great artstyle--HOW? And don't bring me ,"Oh it was just a test" or "the creator is too busy making another film."
Because into days age we are fed constant cheap lazy crap and we just accept it also animation is mostly targeted to kids only and not families or adults so we get childish entertainment.
Sadily Good talent and hard work and passionate creators often go unnoticed it's all about the money money money both in the industry and Hollywood as a whole.
Nah, It was just another nostalgia-driven film.
Infinity Train could bring *massive* change to the TV and Film industry if it was wildly public, it brings serious topics in like divorce, coping with death, being forced to do social norms.
GRU: was accepted as a meme god and was loved.
Minions: where hated and where loved by people who have no sense of humor and are annoying.
That's probably because Gru actually had some character development behind him, but minions are the same photocopied little yellow sh!ts lacking even two grains of personality to rub together.
@@dafoex You just got the gag as to why they are called minions. Well done.
Yeah, I found this video to be a whinge and caters to the type of people who think they are clevere than everyone else who most often don't have great senses of humour and are in fact ruining TV and media because everything has to be "serious" and thought worthy. I like a little trash tv, judge me all you want. I do not care. My PhD says more than the TV I enjoy.
Gru has a good voice actor and an interesting story
@@TheFakeyCakeMaker
is this satire?
If they worked for History's greatest villains, does that mean they joined Hitler?
@Mr. Man r/blursedcomments
The Minions crucified Jesus.
Logan Not the one from Marvel
They apparently gave an explanation to why they didn’t (they were in the cave during that era). But this still means they partook in the Trans-Atlantic Exchange, the Salem Witch Trials, and the French Revolution.
@Steven Lee Actually, the filmmakers did think about that. The minion's self-exile onto the arctic started after they killed Napoleon, meaning they would've missed the first and second world war
@@pikster2155 Do y'all actually post these as screenshots to reddit?
Whoever created the minions plagued this damn earth. And somewhere in an alternative timeline they don't exist.
"Welcome to the new timeline, we have good news and bad news. Bad news, you have permanent Taco Bell shits."
"What's the good news?"
"No Minions"
"Glory be, I'm home, home at last!"
Minions isn't that bad, I enjoyed it. Don't be sheep
monkey's paw:
minions have been retroactively purged from the history of mankind. Illumination created Ted first, to positive review albeit critics pointed out the goggles on Ted's design. Years later, Illumination released Ted 2 with less positive reviews as many disliked the new furless design of Ted. Additionally, the Christmas special "Ted: Santa's Little Helper" received lukewarm welcome. Cited by a critic as "It's inevitable, there's no stopping it('s downfall)", commenting on Ted's new latex suit. In 2016, Illumination released Ted: World with heavy backlash as the film heavily emphasizes product placements & merchandise to the audience. Undoubtedly, mothers around the 40-year old bracket has been vocal about their loyalty to Ted & inserted pseudo-science agenda into their defense as a means of uncovering the truth. On 2019, cases of smallpox began to arise as a new unseen strain. Analysts pointed out the lack of vaccinations on children especially in urban cities as a factor on the infectivity of the SN-SP.
Nizzy what are you five?
@@baller42061 well his account is 5 years old but then again my account is 2 years old so what am I 2?
Being recommended this again after seeing everyone jokingly mass-support Minions: Rise of Gru kinda scares me what that box office pay out is going to say to Illumination and other animation studios.
So basically the minions is family guy with less political jokes?
Fcktherules Orsuckmyjewels so minions is cancer with less tumors.... that’s cool but it’s still cancer
ass cheeks Not like anybody said otherwise, but ok
I disagree, Minions are actually, even if only just, ever so slightly smirkabley funny.
I think Eric Morecambe would come back from the dead to shoot me if I suggested Family Guy was comedy.
A series that only has edginess, but with no edge.
It's Family Guy for toddlers.
ngl the thing that upset me the most about the minions movie was the fact that they say the minions existed WAY before gru, whereas I'm 90% sure there's a part in the first movie (in the special features) where it says they were MADE by Gru
When you lay it out like this, these animation problems sound like the exact same problems film makers had trying to bring SNL skits to movie length in the 90s.
Coneheads turned out reasonably well.
Repeat these to yourself:
It's okay for children to like something I don't.
It's okay for children to make something popular that isn't my jam.
It's okay for children to not have the same nostalgic attachment to something as me.
Sure but:
It's not okay to exploit the naivete of children by presenting them media that doesn't care about them or their development beyond the ability to profit from them.
@@nicolaim4275 You mean like the 80s, when animation was only made to sell toys? Or when critics in 1979 criticised movies for being nothing but remakes, sequels and blockbusters? The more things change, the more they stay the same. Also, if you don’t want kids growing up with movies that don’t fit your standards of children’s media, than you can just decide not to show them to kids, as well as not watch them at all. Crisis averted.
Or, if you want more specific examples, there was an IMDB review for Pocahontas back in the 90s that stated that “all Disney movies nowadays are exactly the same!”
@@unicornbunny5439 Yes, they are a good example. It wasn't okay then and it isn't okay now.
@@nicolaim4275 Then like I said, you don’t have to keep supporting movies you don’t like. It’s much better to bring attention to movies that you really *do* like, and want to see succeed.
@@unicornbunny5439 The existence of exploitative children's media has nothing to do with me personally, apart from hypothetically making it a hassle to find something of quality. I'm talking about negative social impacts and child development from media influence while I'm guessing you're talking about the individual experience. An extreme example of what I'm talking about would be the strange UA-cam videos for toddlers that were everywhere a few years ago, but even high cost animations can suffer if no thought is put into the story.
Small correction. Genndy did NOT make Powerpuff Girls. He worked on it as a storyboarder and writer, but it was created by Craig McCracken, who also made Foster's Home for Imaginary Friends and Wander Over Yonder.
The thing that really pisses me off about the Minions Mayhem ride is that it replaced Jimmy Neutron's Nicktoons Blast! Everyone knows our lord and savior Jimmy Neutron is a million times better than the plebian Minions will ever be!
Is this sarcasm
@@westform22 no, it's sodium chloride
@@Jadez1207 this this comment thread made my day
Omg I just realized the meaning of the word "Popeye" because he pronounced it as Pop-eye 😂😂. In Spain we pronounce it as "po-pei-ye" and I never actually thought it had a meaning, I thought it was just a name lol. This is totally unrelated to the video, but I just realized this after YEARS wth
Same!
I just want to say something for all you would be animators. Anyone ambitious about creativity and wanting to become successful:
I’m not too worried.
Yes, animation has become processed. Many things have.
I’ve also noticed the amount of freedom animators have nowadays. You can become famous merely for scribbling random drawings. Having a genuine sense of humor. You can even make a living off of it.
The sad thing is the industry will NEVER serve the individual anything less than processed. If you want to make millions or even thousands, you gotta sell out, and that’s neither easy nor fun.
However, I don’t think animation is doomed, just because the animation industry is.
You should stop worrying about making animation a career and start working towards a career that can fund your animation talent. Hell, even fund someone else’s.
If you want to animate, animate. If you want to draw, draw. Focus on time. Focus on effort. You can’t buy that with money. You can make *anything* with little money and a lot of effort, and it can be a masterpiece.
The way I see it, less money means more freedom. The more passionate you are about art and animation, the less you care about money and funding, and more about producing and devotion. Sure, your art could be made easier with better equipment, and more exposure would motivate you to work harder, but it’s also a lot of pressure to expose yourself, and any equipment you buy obligates you to stick to a specific style. It can be creatively stunting if you let it.
These videos are a great way to teach people and expose the industry, but creative minds already understand this. Normal folk don’t care about this. What we need to teach people is how to master and cultivate their craft. Not to shoot for unobtainable, unfulfilling goals like working in Hollywood or making millions off an animation. Even if you could animate a high quality masterpiece, it can be difficult to get any ideas to become through the door.
Now, don’t let a lack of money or exposure ruin your desire to express yourself. You gotta own it. Love it. Nurture it. Anything that pertains to money stifles creativity far more than poverty believe it or not. If you have to tell yourself you need money to pick up a pencil and paper, then you’re doing it for the wrong reason. Removing minions won’t fix that.
It’s time people started to realize exactly how gifted they are, and stop doubting themselves. Stop depending on an industry for money and become self sufficient. Communicate with each other. We have become a network of individuals far stronger and more creative than hollywood will ever be. Let’s continue to inform ourselves and work together. Don’t feel bad when you watch these videos. Feel glad that you aren’t a sellout on leash.
Aflay same could be said for a lot of things - like music, writing, etc. but the truth is a lot of us get into these things not necessarily because we’re really passionate about them (we think we are) but because we want to be famous for them. And then, when we see others getting the fame and money, we complain - as if the art itself has been stolen from us.
@@firezdog "That's pride f*cking with you. F*CK PRIDE" -- Marcellus Wallace
They're just more annoying rip off version of the L.G.M.s from Toy Story.
The claw will be our lawyer! The claw!
@@abrahemsamander3967 the claaaaaw
Omg they should make just l.g.m movies that would be amazing
I Hate Everything calls these types of characters Dibbies.
They're yellow Rabbids
1:31 "it's not a bad movie by any means."
3:53 "Minions is not a good movie. It's heartless, random an narratively [gibberish]."
Ok, that's a strange definition of mediocre...
Disjointed?
@@sevrothegoblin5212 very possible, good ear.
@@Hubilicious90 Kind of get the vibe of when a college animation project is turned in and the video about a lonely rag doll struggling to survive got a lower grade than the farting dinosaur video. Just oozing with animosity.
@@virtualrundown1610 bruh that happened?
20 odd years ago every CGI feature was an event. They started off strong with adult-targeted but kid-friendly films like Toy Story, Antz, and Shrek. They were relatively uncommon, but every one of them was worth seeing, and that made them very lucrative. There wasn't five of them a year like there is now. We all went to see every Pixar movie. Now the shine has worn off somewhat, but the desire of the studios to cash-in remains. I think the core of great movies remains (Mostly Pixar and Dreamworks), but there is a lot of chaff as well. And there are diminishing returns for sequels to great originals like Kung Fu Panda. I don't think the format is doomed, it's just that the novelty has worn off.
"Stewart little could have been a kid"
snowbell the cat to smoky the cat: yo my owners adopted a kid we gotta scratch em
smoky: bruh what
Yeah I feel like the "it could've been about a kid" was a bit of a stretch. Especially since we have plenty of movies revolving around people, it stands out more seeing it from a perspective we wouldn't see othereise.
And the movie Stewart Little was based on a book where he was a mouse so... he’s wrong
Yeah, this video is missing the point of why Stuart Little (and Paddington, for that matter) had to be an animal. There was no mistaking him as a mouse in a human world, just because he didn't undergo a mouse lifestyle.
2:36 I think that lamp is having a little too much fun
I was watching the Luxo Jr do his thing and then I saw Bob raping Max....
I wish we could go back to when the animated movies had more meaning than “nice” images.
There has always been bad alongside the good.
@@chairmanm3ow The LOONEY TUNES has always looked dumb and soulless to me
@@JishinimaTidehoshi
Fair, but I draw the line at Tiny Toons.
Minions: Rise of Gru had pretty damn good animation, especially the bicycle scene with that fat minion
To quote Yahtzee:
"People ask me if I worry about the future of the interactive arts in this era of triple-A being a constant stream of soulless exploitative knock-offs, but I'm not worried! Because we've been here before. At the end of the 90s, games like Quake III and Unreal Tournament tried to convince us that we didn't really want artistic single-player PC games when we could just pay to run on hamster wheels all day, and look what the 2000s brought us. Deus Ex! Thief II! BioShock! Portal! It's always a phase. In the long run, the only eternal guarantor of success is a quality product well-made, ideally with tits on the front.”
Right?!?! I grew up watching my dad play through Quake 1, 2 and the Q2 mission packs, then he brings home Quake 3 one day and it threw me way off how it was JUST deathmatch oriented.
@@crowchillingpark I think its notable that Fortnite's greatest competition right now is a 10-year-old indie game that's only been minimally touched by its new corporate overlords.
Quake 3 and Unreal Tournament are fun as shit. Of course they shouldn't be forced unto people but arena shooters like those are generally really fun for people who like hardcore games.
The franchise and Sequel issue is a massive one. It bugs me for years already that _everything_ seems like it has to be at least a trilogy. If there aren't three parts it's not gonna be approved. If you wanna make sequels make them like the nemo franchise. Bring out a movie that is fun to watch, has somewhat of a message and behind the scenes is innovative. Then don't milk it but give it time. Later you still can decide to make a second movie. sure, the story will have less of a message than the original but you still can make it a fun to watch movie and innovative behind the scenes. Pixar spend a buttload of time to create a better shader rendering under water scenery. They found new ways to rig and animate octopusses. I'm not saying I want another Nemo movie in 5+ years. I think the stories were told from beginning to end. But I could see me digging another Wall:e movie. the first one was pretty innovative behind the scenes. They built their own ("software") camreas for that movie. The story isn*'t completely told yet. so yeah, make another wall:e movie. Finish the story. But don't continue then, making it a trilogy....
@infinityrose92 Of course dying actors and voice actors are always a problem regardless whether it is a sequel or the original. But sequels give you the option to incorporate the passing of an actor or voice actor into the story.
I do agree that the original cast would be best and thus you shouldn't wait too long but anything less than 3-4 years is way too soon in my eyes. Look at the production time of finding Dory. They started in 2012 and it took them four years. You maybe could break it down to 3 years when not doing the amount of research they did on that movie but those movies take time. If they can pump out a movie in less than 3 years there's no way it is inspired by the story but it's being used as a cash cow. This is exactly what destroyed the Despicable me franchise for me.... it was and still is being milked.
Look at the original circle 7 script of the finding nemo sequel: _"[...] Finding Nemo 2 focused on Nemo reuniting with his long lost brother named 'Remy.' Marlin [...] then gets captured and sent to an aquarium named "PLANET BLUE," so now Nemo, Dory and Remy have to go save him."
It is 1:1 the same story. There is no motivation in this plot whatsoever. Finding Dory is different. It's more thought through and it doesn't rely on an active capturing and the creation of motivation but instead it is a self-motivated story. If there hadn't been circle 7 being shut down by Disney and the long time I think the quality of the franchise would've deteriorated massively. And that's why I feel like there needs to be time between movies because you'd just pump out literally the same movie.
@infinityrose92 I agree. and it's sad that the studios can't see that they kill creativity and the franchises. To be honest, if circle7 hadn't been gobbled up by disney and dissolved Nemo would have a pretty bitter taste, as the despicable me franchise has. It was a good movie. I remember seeing the first featurette and the first thing I did was go to my parents, show them the featurette and say "this. I want to see this movie" Up until this day I haven't seen the third one. This also makes me anxious about other sequels. Haven't seen frozen yet, because I am actually scared it may take a turn for the worse. I've seen a few making offs and considering those I really shouldn't be afraid because they had that innovation of new texturing or something like that, and there were - even if it didn't feel like it - a decent amount of time between the first and second movie.
Long story short: I do agree with you and sequels actually demotivate me to watch sequels....
@infinityrose92 I think Scrat is still perfectly fine because his appearance in the movies remains sparce. But I can see how to the majority his character is being watered down to a mechanic to advance the movies plot.
The traits of the MC's are important to maintain, yet their personalities should continue to develop and they shoudn't stay the same. As for the technological and animation part: I think a movie that has been innovative (as were finding nemo, Wall-e, Toy Story, the Lego Movie etc.) They should maintain that to some degree. I realize you can't create ground breaking new techniques on end with every movie, and that's fine, but there should be some aspect of improving how animations are created.
Don't get me started on Wreck-It Ralph. I consider this one as one of the worst sequels I've seen. I think what they didn't realize is that you don't need characters to be interacting with modern stuff to be relatable to younger people. It felt super awkward and the story itself felt kind of... forced. The characters didn't fit into the setting. It was just overall awkward to watch.
Now, that you tell me frozen 2 ain't good.... Despite the innovation the movie holds I kind of don't want to watch it. I'm pretty undecided on it and I was ever since it came out. Not sure what I gonna do, we'll see...
I, for one, can’t agree with a Wall-E sequel. We already know how things turned out when they returned to Earth. The end credits perfectly illustrate the progression of society and life on Earth as the humans relearned how to farm, build cities, and hunt/fish. And this was after Wall-E and EVE’s relationship was wrapped up perfectly and we knew the humans were going to be okay. There’s really no need for a sequel. As much as we all would love to see our little robots again, they would have to really dig and stretch to find a relevant narrative they haven’t covered yet for a sequel.
Or maybe just have one movie, a complete story from start to end and no sequels at all. I agree with the previous comment that story of Wall-E would be difficult to continue as the ending is very clear about humans and robots helping each other to restore Earth back to its state before heavy pollution. There are tons of great movies, especially from the past that were single, on their own and didn’t give rise to trilogies. In fact, forcing sequels to get a trilogy or a franchise with more than 3 movies is what causes decline in the story quality in a lot of franchises, like Star Wars or Shrek. Why produce sequels when some movies, books or games don’t need continuation? You can always go back and rewatch after a certain time, having a single movie doesn’t mean you have to give up on the story.
Spider verse still gives me hope
@Azure Disk I wish there was more good Hand Drawn 2D, Digital 2D, and Stylized 3D animations
I want to make some indie animations someday of various styles and genres
@marianne mccrank 2D (movies specifically, 2D TV shows are entering a new renaissance) is only really dead in America. Japan, Korea, and China are still going strong with anime. In Europe 2D is also going strong, French animation in particular is as good as it always has been. 2D never left the rest of the world, just moved out of the Americas.
Now we’re here with rise of gru the first movie to make one minillion dollars
imagine growing up now. pandemics, mass amounts of rules to follow with mass amounts of consequences. and this being your entertainment. What have we done we worked so hard for nothing and created a crappier world to live in.
I can say with absolute certainty it isn't a peach. I don't listen to modern music because it's all written by the same people who are not in the slightest talented (in my opinion), most movies are franchises, art is just about the money, and everything that made the world 'better' has made it tougher to be yourself and be creative. Please just stop all this capitalism in creativity. It's ruining the world for future generations.
Born in le wrong generation
You guys are forgetting how amazing kids SHOWS are nowa days
There's so much representation, they deal with very complex concepts the art and music is generally breathtaking (I'm looking at you Kipo)
Remember when every single hero looked the same so the action figures could use the same model for all of them?
We live in a far better world than that, now, just go watch a kids show if ever you feel disheartened
@@whalesharko4465 find me a working action figure that wasn't built by the lowest bidder in china nowadays all kids get now is overpriced cheaply made crap where the colors don't match and they got the name wrong at least back in the day the figures were consistant
@@jimbobbyrnes who gives a shit about toys? Buy the old action figures it's the storys that are told which are important