Exactly what I did, just replaced my top end 2015 end Macbook pro. Funny enough, I did a battery replacement 2 months before and it did burst into flames temporarily because I punctured it😂
I am not sure if it kills the resale value but it could impact it a little. Still you are better off with a common config than the loaded custom Apple configs. Lower price points will be easier for resale value overall. (generally)
I don't upgrade my computers every year. Ridiculous. My replacement rate is about ever 6 to 12 years with my Macs. I still have a pristine 2012 Mac mini that is still working perfectly. Electronics are not a good investment.
Same. I upgraded to a full spec M1 Max from a 2012 Full Spec i7 MacBook Pro. And it was because the M1 Max was the first laptop they released that was worth it. And this one will last me another 4-5 years at least.
This isn’t surprising at all. Just within the last year, we have seen… •the M1 Air get discounted at Walmart for $650, sometimes below $600. •all 8GB of RAM Macs discontinued, meaning that all RAM upgrade prices technically dropped by $200. •M2 and M3 Airs regularly selling for $750-850, with 16 GB of RAM. • third parties like Best Buy and Amazon offering old MacBook Pros from the M2 and M3 family for anywhere from $300 off for the base model, to up to $800 off models with higher specifications. •the M4 Mac Mini literally being able to be purchased for $500. All of this has made selling used Macs more difficult yes, but that’s mainly because it’s made purchasing a used Mac almost foolish for most. The sales prices and the value you get purchasing brand new is just so good now, why would you buy something for $1500 used when you can cruise to your nearest BestBuy and pick it up for $1600, with insurance and a return policy and the protection you get by buying something brand new from a retailer instead of used?
Exactly this. Hell, when I bought my M1 Pro 14 inch MacBook Pro back in 2022, it was still the latest model you could get. The M2 MacBook Air had just come out so the M2 Pro series MacBooks didn’t exist yet. Even then, I was able to get a laptop for $1,500 from Best Buy ($500 off on sale, and another $500 saved by trading in my old 13 inch intel MBP) when just 8 months ago that same machine would have cost $2,500. And that was back then, now we have so many Apple Silicon Macs on the used market, and even the older ones still kick ass. My M1 Pro is still capable of more than I actually need. It still has excellent battery life, still gets all the Apple Intelligence features (though half of them like Image playgrounds are useless), and still is blazing fast. I still probably won’t upgrade for another 3 years, and by then the MacBooks will probably get redesigned and have other features I will want besides just performance (like hopefully Face ID).
The hilarious part is that the retailers seeing these things sit for so long that they had to cut prices so aggressively are probably going to cut back their orders moving forward. Good job Tim Cook gimping your machines so effectively they had the lifespan of a tomato. LoL 😂
Luxury cars are no exception. It’s mind-boggling how new Cadillacs can fetch such high prices, but there are always people who fall for it. So, you buy a car for a whopping $160,000, and a year later, it’s only worth $100,000. Well, guess what? It probably wasn’t worth much more than $110 to $115 to begin with.
True basic M4 chip beating M3 Pro Chips in many scenarios. Upgrading to the M4 is a wise decision, as it's unlikely that Apple will release a more advanced chip within the next few years.
@@narutobrokenhave an M3 Pro and M4. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t buy the M4 for 100€ more. My opinion. I can’t see practical diferences. I use macs mainly for programming
Not true. I just bought an M1 Pro, and it's so fast and powerful that it's scary; and I am an animator. Who cares if an M4 exports a few short minutes faster? It's not worth spending a couple of extra thousand.
The M1 chip was already so good. They are just updating them so fast, the bump is not worth it. People do not need the "extra" power, 99% of users are not maxing out their M1 very often.
If I see an M1 Mini slide by on the local second hand market I wouldn't mind scooping one up. At a nice price of course. Because yes... the M1 already has shown great performance gain over the Older Intel Lineup.
I was saying the EXACT same thing. Dumbass clout chasing Influencers flexing on kids with $5k laptops they won't even use 10% of. And upgrade a year later like they're going to notice it. Spoiler alert, the law of diminishing returns shows us that the rate of improvement is gradually less over time as each new iteration of the product is introduced. Hence M1 Max > M2 > M3 etc etc. I'm VERY happy with my M1 Max 10/24/32/1TB that I picked up for $2500 three years ago and haven't had a single thing wrong with it that wasn't covered by Apple for peanuts.
m1 macbook air and while I don't do anything crazy like video editing or coding, I am a heavy user with a lot of tabs and a good amount of programs open and other than sometimes a small slowdown, the computer call still pretty much keep up flawlessly. Just reminding myself that even the mba is significantly more powerful than any intel mac that came before it in the cpu department, I know I don't need anything new honestly until probably way after this thing doesn't even receive software updates anymore and even then you can probably just use asahi linux or there'll probably be an apple silicon version of open core legacy patcher by that point, so there's really no losing unless you get a hardware failure like the ssd dying
Same here. I just purchased an M1 Pro 16-inch with 1TB of storage brand new for only $1,500. It's crazy fast and powerful. I am an animator and use tons of effects all the time. I don't see why anyone needs anything faster than that. I also still have a 2019 Silicon that is in great shape.
Exactly, Mac’s aren’t such a bubble that they don’t have to compete with PCs. I think this is the aftermarket correcting because people weren’t willing to pay the crazy prices for a while.
@@TheDanEdwards Maybe that’s because it’s a genuine issue and if people weren’t so willing to absolutely burn their money, it wouldn’t even be an issue.
In the last 20 years, I’ve owned two computers: a 17” PowerBook G4 and a 16” MacBook Pro Retina from 2013. I’ll soon be in the market for a third to hopefully last another 10+ years. I don’t understand the appeal of upgrading so often. I prefer leaps in performance over gradual improvements.
@@levihambrick I'm sure it is...but for my music production hobby, my 2009 Mac Pro with 96 GB of RAM NVMe SSD's and upgraded processors, running opencore with Sequoia and Logic Pro 11, seems to be working just fine and I don't find any slowness. To each his own, but I'll end up getting about 20 odd years out of that system so that's a win in my books. The M4's are tempting though.
@@levihambricknot everyone needs it we've been spoiled by it but if you never had it you don't know what you're missing so why should you care about it people just have fomo and upgrade for the wrong reasons
I wouldn't have even paid that for a used machine, who knows how abused the battery is on a given machine or how much heat, drops, etc it has been exposed to.
You can check a battery status. Status of the body etc. If seller still has original packaging you can almost bet it was a well kept. Look, my M3 Pro (almost topped out) is pristine and like new, I rarely use it on battery. Paid 3500 euros for it exactly year before. Now it is almost half the price even here in central Europe. Crazy. I'm Mac user since 1994, had plenty of Apple machines in times where almost nobody here even knew what the heck Apple is. Never saw such loss of value. I have a nostlagy about M1 Air I sold one year before, just when I bought M3 Pro. 16 GB RAM. Bought it for 800 euros one year old. Made a 35,000 in one year on that machine and sold it for 700. So for 100 euro investment I made 350 times more. That was a deal. Heck, many of my scotch single malts costs much more than I paid for that machine.
he said he had like 64 battery cycles. Apple batteries generally go for 1000 cycles ( 1 full complete charge, ie 20% charged back to 20% left and then charged is 1 cycle ) I used to work on non warranty macs, routinely saw 2000-3000 cycles with 90% capacity left ) pictures show the condition so that isn't really a problem.
maybe because in the Intel era, the computers barely ever improved. After 2015, the newer computers were actually much worse, so the old ones held their value
it is pretty crazy. i went from buying a new mac every 3 years/selling my last one to avoiding the laptops completely once they changed the keyboard/added the touchbar. luckily apple silicon has been great. it was a long time coming.
I wanted to buy a mbp in 2016 (after years of running hackintosh), but they were so bad... I literally destroyed every spec of the mbp back then with a alienware laptop by a significant margin (including 4k oled), for 1/3rd of the cost. While mbps were literally catching fire from that intel heat lol. And used prices were absurd. The pace of improvement has to slow down at some point though for apple silicon.
The reason for the MacBook Pro 16" M1 Pro being sold for only 820 USD is obvious! The seller has a feedback rating of only 81% positive with a total feedback score of 43, meaning he had received at least 8 negative feedbacks! Who wants to buy from him!? You'd be lucky to receive the product and intact.
I feel like people are just blind or ignorant. Apple rarely ever introduced alternate MacBook Pros with cheaper processors or GPUs during Intel days. It was always minimal improvements over and over for years on the same generation. The difference now is that Apple introduced a "cheap" version of the Macbook Pros at a price that falls in line with previous used market. Then they also have the Macbook Air that's also very good. Most people don't like buying used computers, especially those looking at this tier of computer price point. This is the main reason why used prices are lower...Apple adjusted their models and pricing, which causes direct competition to used. When you have used and new at the same price, used will always lose and cause a drop in demand. This is a good thing!
Not to mention that the now 'cheap' version of macbook pro with base m series chip is very capable of semi professional task for most casual users unlike the intel days when a base 13' macbook pro comes with underpowered dual core chips and weak ass integrated graphics that can do no more than web browsing, so the demand for older 15' models that has quad core cpu and dedicated graphics were pretty high in the semi pro market , it was in that way for a long time.
@@MBZ-Nation or…there could just be less people in the Mac ecosystem looking to buy as users have gotten fed up with high prices and insufficient ram and storage configs hike also having to accept you can’t run windows natively anymore to game. Tim Cook spent 10yrs+ ignoring the prosumer end of the Mac ecosystem - why is it surprising to fanboys they can’t get $3k back on their top tier laptop anymore? 🤷 shrug 🤷
You can't replace a SSD. Who knows how it was used by previous owner. Maybe it was swapping like crazy, and it will fali soon. The risk is too big if the price isn't right.
Since the M-chips have been going there has been no sign of SSDs failing, quite the contrary. And compared top green lines on Samsung and OnePlus phones almost nominal. So, that is not going to be an issue. You may want to do some research as OEMs now use advanced SSDs with their own software algorithms that manage storage and mean that they will probably last decades.
@@gaiustacitus4242 but the SSDs for Apple Silicon can only be sourced from other scrapped MacBooks or at the same ridiculous prices from Apple's official repairs, so it's still not a great situation
Okay I am no expert but I think you missed some key things. Number 1 M4 is the first Apple Silicon chip where lots of M1 and maybe M2 users are starting to think its time to upgrade. This means they are likely to want to sell the current device, that is simple supply and demand. 2 The new M4 Mac's start with 16GB of RAM and for all previous modules that would have been a 200 plus upgrade, so that gone. 3 the mac mini has come out and for people that don't need a macbook that provides a great cost effective alternative, probably more so than the old Mac Mini due to the size. Finally more people have switched to an M4 iPad as a main machine and if they need Mac OS a base model M4 Mini would be a good option. I could go on but I don't think Intel and Snapdragon is a massive reason it's more the above at a guess.
The 16GB base for all machines this year (including M2/3 Airs) essentially took $200 off the value of previous laptops in one go. The M4 mini is also very tempting for anyone who spends most of their time docked; it's cheap, supports 3 monitors, has 16GB of RAM, and external storage is no biggie for a desktop machine. You're also likely right about M1 owners being about ready to upgrade - and even highly specced M1's are flattened by base M4s.
The new base mini does look good value , for a change, apart from drive size and I'm mulling over buying one after years without a Mac. Though I wouldn't pay a high price for a used computer of any sort so I never really understood why Mac's kept so much of its value before.
@@SJG33 taking what I said a little to literally but it definitely sells even worse oversees than in America considering how expensive every apple product is outside of America
Macbook pros with intel chips didn't get almost yearly CPU upgrades, now with M series chips they almost do. So macbooks seem "outdated" sooner because the CPU seems older and out of date because a new one comes out so frequently.
Apple has basically saturated the market with computers have processors that no longer have the performance jumps as before. Im still rocking the original M1 macbook pro. I just bought the m4 mini and for what I use my devices for I couldnt really tell tooooo much a difference. Not enough to warrant replacing. Just my thoughts.
Opposite, performance jump is huge. In Intel times it wasn't at all basically and Apple used same processors as the rest of the market so their prices really made no sense.
In my opinion, the answer is: 1) is easier and easier to get new ones on credit, allowing people to buy more expensive new models paying very little per month, and thus discouraging people from buying used; 2) more people are upgrading macs, saturating the used market with last years models.
The zero percent is a 10-20% discount that is offered year round. You add in Apple's same day delivery option for $9 more and why would anyone want to take the risk of buying used. I can sit in my PJ's and get the dopamine of opening a brand new box.
I've been an Apple user for twenty-seven years, and I've noticed that the M2 and M3 chips seemed more like stopgap solutions, offering minimal improvements over the M1. They were still sold with disappointingly low base RAM configurations, which was frustrating. However, the new M4 chip finally offers a reasonable base RAM configuration and significant upgrades, such as Thunderbolt 5, making it a worthwhile investment. Many users are now upgrading from older machines because they realize there wasn't much difference between the M1 and its successors until now. Personally, I've shifted to a four to five-year replacement cycle because the changes in recent models haven't justified the high purchase price.
Those S-names were just names though. The upgrades themselves were all that mattered. And if a CPU improves in 12 months then why not sell a new version? Versus Intel who was slightly treading water every 12 months … for a decade maybe?
@@whophd I mean it works great for us, Though I know a lot of people still on M1 machines and super happy with them. From a company stand point I would want to let the M1 series cook longer before the m2. They could of had it stilling in the queue and let the resale values settle.
I think second-hand Macs were just overpriced in the past. For me it was always ridiculous to pay 2/3 of the list price for a two years old Mac without warranty and nowadays also without any upgrade possibilities. The second-hand prices are just more realistic now!
As a long time Apple fan I am done buying new at full price open box is fine or off eBay / marketplace because you save a lot of money only thing new I'll buy is iPhones
Still but this will alter if the people are not willing to pay phantasy prices for new and even used apple devices. The major problem is the lack of user upgradabilty und user maintenance. Yes you can give an damaged mac to an certified repairshop but is usually a total write-off. They are faboulous as long they are matching your needs and have no defect, if one of the two things happen the user is the looser.
Because everybody who can pay 2500 will be willing to pay them on an M4 Pro rather than an M3 Pro, basically Apple releasing macs way to frequently is the reason 0:29
got my $2500 spec M1 Pro 14” close to launch and it’s still a beast. Got me through my masters and still at 100% battery capacity. Probably won’t even consider upgrading until they do a design change with the M6 generation
What do you expect when Apple will hardly give you anything either? January 2023 I bought an M2Pro Mac Mini - it was $1942 new (CAD) and my trade-in value from Apple is only $260 now. If Apple doesn't think it is worth much - why should anyone else?
You will never get max value trading back to Apple. Always in the resale market. On occasion Best BUy has a very good trade in price where they pay a higher number and upgrades make more sense.
NEVER trade in ANYTHING to Apple. They're giving you a "discount" that means they still make money, and they shred your old computer to keep it off the used market. It's artificially inflating the value of used Macs and iPhones.
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I got my M2 MacBook Air at the pawn shop for $399. Thing only had 40 charge cycles on the battery and was in amazing condition!
I think its 2 things that are really affecting the second hand market - 1) you nailed it, the jump to M4 has been another big one, so everything below is just nowhere near as good and should be reduced in price. Hell I have a M2 Max macbook pro and its on par with that base M4... yikes (I love my laptop though, no complaints in real world use) AND 2) Apple silicon has been so good, people have really bought up the M computers and it has flooded the market, reducing the overall resale value. Great time to get a second hand apple laptop and you wont be disappointed. That guy got a killer deal on your laptop at $1500
@@TheVoiceofReason4ya yep, but it looks like the reason was because the performance was pretty much the same in all of them. actual improvements every few years is making the significantly better laptops also depreciate a lot faster which is actually insane. every once in a while I get tempted to just sell my m1 mba and just get a used m2 mbp or something, since I won't even be losing that much money but then I get better performance, better speakers, better screen, etc
I think you can‘t compare the listing prices to the apple prices. When the m4 macs were released the 16 inch cost 2899€ in Europe, after just a month I got it for 2500€ from a retailer (new).
I can't wait until a few more months out and the used M4 Mac minis come down even more from the great value. I don't really have a need for it but if it's that good I'll pick one up regardless.
Mini are updated less often than macbooks. Anyway, still, bought Mac mini M1 for 260 euros few days before. Base model but for my hobby workshop plenty enough. Two years ago I bought used one, same base model for my dad for 500 euros. He is very happy with it and will serve him probably to his last days
Apple upgrades too frequently. You spend crazy amounts of cash for the latest, and it's outdated within a few months. I just bought a 16-inch, 1-terabyte M1 Pro, and I couldn't be happier with my decision. It's crazy fast and powerful; I am an animator. Why spend extra thousands for the latest just because it exports a couple of minutes faster? Oh yeah, and I only paid $1,500 for my M1 Pro brand new.
The explanation for why recent Apple laptop vs s are depreciating faster than ever is rather simple. In the dreary Intel days the improvement from one model to the next generation in terms of CPU was negligible and new models were released every 18 to 24 months. Now that Apple controls their processor destiny we’re seeing significantly faster laptops every 12 months. If you think M series laptops have depreciated hard, check out the intel models. They’ve plummeted. Buy what you need and enjoy it. My M1 MacBook Pro is still awesome and I’ve ordered a Mac mini that will arrive in a couple of weeks. Great days to be a Apple geek.
I bought an M1 Max 10/24/32GB/1TB straight out of the gate the day they released and three years later, I have absolutely ZERO regrets. In that time, the price went up 20% I have had the battery replaced for free and just before AC+ ran out last week, got a brand new screen for $90 bucks. Thanks little kitten! Apart from that it has been a faultless three years. This machine is amazing and I couldn't care less about how much better the M2/3/4 is on a fucking geekbench test or using some fucking rendering software as if I was a some sort of guru game programmer. 95% of you people aren't even doing anything close to needing all that power. The M1 is good for literally 5 years at LEAST. Why the hell waste your money on the later models if you REALLY don't need them??
I'm still on a MacBook Pro 16-inch (Late 2019) with a 2.6 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon Pro 5300M (4 GB), Intel UHD Graphics 630 (1536 MB), 16 GB RAM, and 512GB SSD. I use iCloud for storage, and it’s been a great machine! But now I’m curious-if I upgrade to a new Mac with Apple Silicon, will it blow my mind with the performance boost?
I don't think you can say it'll last a lifetime. I mean, sure, my Woz Limited Edition Apple IIgs is in great condition and still works well, but the internet is barely usable on it.
Its called market correction. Their msrp and resale value have been hugely overpriced for the duration. Seriously? A 4tb macbook for $3500, and you think that's a deal?! My laptop is expanded to16tb, it's comparable to m3 in performance and its not even close to that ridiculous "deal."
Apple are being kinda clever with their pricing of m4 pros- they’ve lowered entry price , and NOT introduced an m4 air yet so people looking for airs have more reasons to go pro (even though base m4 pro is just an m4 chip same as the next air will have). Very clever on their part trying to stretch the pro range to appeal to people buying the air for a couple months before introducing the m4 air
I bought my daughter a M3 Air 13 inch 16GB/512GB for $650 at a Pawn Shop here in NYC. It was unopened. I negotiated the price. I had bought a 16 inch MacBook Pro M1 32GB, 1TB for $900 about a month prior at the same store. From what I understood they got it at a corporate auction.
@ I appreciate you telling me this. This isn’t the first or second time I’ve bought a used MacBook and I have been given the same advice before. It is something that I check for along with running hardware diagnostics. You’re giving good advice here.
Most average consumers dont know the bench numbers, they see 1,2,3,4, pro, max, ultra. The same as OOOOHHHH more MEGA PIXEL= Better! I noticed right away when I mistakenly listed my base 16 inch macbook m1 pro a year after I got it, same deal. In the past the intel days, it was just i3, i5, i7 (before i9), it was like that for what, a decade? The naming/numbering scheme has done to laptops what it has done to the iphone...and yet the iphone retains more of its value over time than the macbooks do I would bet. You said it, want value these days? Keep the macbook for 6-8 years, upgrade when a new form factor or something major changes. Only way your going to get your money's worth out if it.
I think it's more to do with the advancement of PC with Intel and AMD chips rather than Apple's own. Now, you can buy a powerful PC laptop with similar efficiency, long battery life and powerful graphic card for similar or even lower price than Apple laptop. In the past, PC laptop only lasts 3 to 5 hours but now many lasts over 10 hours and can still play games. I sold my Macbook pro M1 max a few months ago for $1600 and bought a gaming laptop for similar price.
I did it like you. Around one year ago I sold my MacBook Pro 16" M1 Max and bought for the money a new PC laptop which was faster and memory(RAM and SSD) was doubled. Build quality is also great - only disadvantage was the shorter term running on battery. First I wanted to buy a new MacBook Pro M3 but the prices for one equipped with proper RAM/SSD sizes were just ridiculous.
And this is why I always get mine second hand, find a seller who’s taken good care of it or buy it from the apple refurb site and you’ll save a lot of money. I never need the latest and greatest as I do music production, for me it’s a win.
🐁 What’s going on is Gen Z growing up on smartphones and never learning to use a mouse. Also the first year of ownership is always the steepest loss in value. 💻
Luke is "Shocked" that his 14" M3 Pro sold for $1,500 when a brand new 14" M4 Pro was selling on Amazon for $1,749. I don't think beefy specs matter when you have last years chip. 🤷🏼♂
It’s not crazy. It’s a correction. Used equipment should only be worth half of what they were new. That would make sense on the depreciation of an item where a new one is released every year.
I got my 13.3 inch M1 MacBook Air for $300. It only had 50 some cycles. I did not expect for one second that it would replace my Windows machine. It was just supposed to be my reintroduction to the OS X platform. After getting a dock for some expansion it has completely taken over. It pushes my fairly large 1440p LG at 75 Hz just wonderfully.I love it to pieces despite it 8 gig memory limitation. The M1 is still a remarkable processor. If you can get an M1 Pro or Max or whatever, it's basically a supercomputer for the price they can be had at. If Apple had increased the base storage of the new Mini to 512 gigs or 768 and kept the price, they would have pulled the trigger on a large portion of the PC industry at that $599 price point. EDIT: purchased 4 months ago.
@ not to advertise but if you want an external monitor over Thunderbolt and a couple old fashioned USB ports the UGREEN Revodok Pro 6 on Amazon is a super cheap solution. I haven’t tried the hdmi port since I run my monitor via hdmi to usb c\ thunderbolt or whatever, but it powers the system while allowing a couple usb a ports for say an external drive.
Apple releases their chips less than a year apart, and sometimes even within just a few months. For instance, the M3 Pro was released only a few months after the M2 Pro. This seems like a poor strategy. Initially, I thought Apple would release M-series chips on an alternating yearly schedule, with the base M chip followed by Pro, Max, and Ultra variants. For example, the M1 was released in 2020, the M1 Pro in 2021, the M2 in 2022, and so on. However, that’s not the case. This is different from the Intel days when a processor like the Intel i5 4th Gen was available for several years, which helped it depreciate more slowly.
Before Apple Silicon, it was MacOS and the Apple family of products that was the big driver of sales in Macs. Now, with the huge regular advances in their chips, it’s Apple Silicon.
I'll tell you what's going on: The used market pays what things are actually worth, not what companies say they are worth. Macbook Pros are routinely priced $500 above their actual price of utility, so if you try to sell one, you'll get less than you might expect.
So you’re an entitled you tuber who got his/her computer for free or close to free and made videos about it andmade money from the videos yet you’re complaining. I reckon you should collab with Jern and white gllasses going bald boy on genius bar and complain you only made $59k last month. Yet here i am battling prostate cancer wondering if ill be homeless next month Sucks to be you
Apple is over saturating the market. It use to take years for them to make new models that will out perform there previous counterparts. Now it only take months, devaluating each make models. Greed is the culprit here and that's why now I wait 2 to 3 years sometimes 5 to get a significant change on my Mac and iPads.
It doesnt surprise me. Apple releases a new macbook every year and each update isnt "the biggest leap forward". As long as you got an M-Modell Macbook you have great power and battery life.
As someone who often buys my computer used on eBay, I’m pretty excited about this. But also, as someone who then turns around and sell my old computer on eBay, I’m pretty bummed lol. I guess it’s a break even at this point for me, emotionally lol. One good advantage, is that if people are selling newer computers at such a reduced price, you should be able to get one with AppleCare still on it.
People just aren’t using laptops as much as they used to. An iPad has replaced 90% of my laptop work. I know several people who don’t even have laptops anymore. They just use phones/tablets
Or Apple's new trick. There was a gap and they closed it. I was looking at MacBook Pro or Max for a possible upgrade but did not want the top unit. They have limited the top Pro to 48GB and the base Max to 36GB RAM forcing you to go to the top Max unit to get access to 64GB or more RAM. Clever Apple, very clever!!
well the reason of intel based Macs having decent value might be because of limited availability and legacy reasons, especially for niche x84 use cases. In terms of performance intel is still crying in the heated corner. :D
The issue isn't the speed, it's market saturation, even an M1 is more than fast enough for 90% of consumers. Look at Macbook sales over the past 3 years or so. Apple is selling more than double what it was before in some cases and they are shipping more as well. While I know many people who have switched and are very happy you have a large percentage of the population that is going to buy whatever $400 laptop they can get at BB or Costco. So while Apple is making headway, even though it has slowed, there are just a LOT more Macbooks and a lot more decently priced ones even new. You can get a new M3 Air for about $800, that is a steal of a deal IMHO. If someone has a recent one and wants the brand new one, when most people would be good with an Air for many years to come, they are going to have to come WAY down to get that sale. The used guitar market is in a similar situation right now because of the number of sales during the Covid isolation then over production the next year. For us power users year we want the new most powerful but that's a small percentage of the population, if we choose to do that I think we just have to realize it's going to cost us to do it.
Well I bought a brand new M2 base model (16 GB RAM) for around 975$ (including 23% VAT, so that's just 750$ for the device). Comparable windows ultrabook is around the same price or sometimes it is more expensive to stick with microsoft.
M4 is blowing it all away, i even finally upgraded from intel imacs to m4 minis. Plus i was more scared of buying any old M1, M2 M3 due to everything sodered to the items, so if the SSD is dying its not worth the risk.
i got a m1 macbook pro. despite the "tech leaps" we gotta undestand that right now we have slightly better upgrades, but apple has done it with m1 series. that's it. if you don't need a crazy machine, why would you buy it? simple - and obvious.
It's almost like you shouldn't buy a new laptop every year.
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What a wild take. I don't think the universe is ready for such a concept. /s
My Dell is from 2019, no need for a new one does all I need.
It will die now :(
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The solution: buy a mac and never sell it. When it bursts into flame you buy a new one.
Exactly what I did, just replaced my top end 2015 end Macbook pro. Funny enough, I did a battery replacement 2 months before and it did burst into flames temporarily because I punctured it😂
I’m still holding onto my 2015 MacBook Air and 2012 iMac
They stopped supporting mine
Still rocking many 2009 iMacs bought used!!!
@@joebonsaipolandi guess slow like a hell
the lack of upgradability also kills the resale value.
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Yeah, but that's been a thing since even the Intel days, yet 2, 0r 3 years ago, resale prices were a lot higher. The culprit now is the M4.
I am not sure if it kills the resale value but it could impact it a little. Still you are better off with a common config than the loaded custom Apple configs. Lower price points will be easier for resale value overall. (generally)
AS IF the so-called "upgradable" PC-laptops don't depreciate as fast or faster than MacBooks???
@@alienrefugee51covid shortages kept prices high, market corrected
I don't upgrade my computers every year. Ridiculous. My replacement rate is about ever 6 to 12 years with my Macs. I still have a pristine 2012 Mac mini that is still working perfectly. Electronics are not a good investment.
Same. I upgraded to a full spec M1 Max from a 2012 Full Spec i7 MacBook Pro. And it was because the M1 Max was the first laptop they released that was worth it. And this one will last me another 4-5 years at least.
I have a 2014 Mac Mini, and it seems to run pretty slow. What specs does your 2012 model have?
You can only use that 2012 mac to do basic web browsing. Most people use their macs for professional work lol
Riding its value down to zero isn't a good investment strategy either.
my i7 macbook pro cannot run new OS im running 0s 12.7
This isn’t surprising at all. Just within the last year, we have seen…
•the M1 Air get discounted at Walmart for $650, sometimes below $600.
•all 8GB of RAM Macs discontinued, meaning that all RAM upgrade prices technically dropped by $200.
•M2 and M3 Airs regularly selling for $750-850, with 16 GB of RAM.
• third parties like Best Buy and Amazon offering old MacBook Pros from the M2 and M3 family for anywhere from $300 off for the base model, to up to $800 off models with higher specifications.
•the M4 Mac Mini literally being able to be purchased for $500.
All of this has made selling used Macs more difficult yes, but that’s mainly because it’s made purchasing a used Mac almost foolish for most.
The sales prices and the value you get purchasing brand new is just so good now, why would you buy something for $1500 used when you can cruise to your nearest BestBuy and pick it up for $1600, with insurance and a return policy and the protection you get by buying something brand new from a retailer instead of used?
This is accurate. It's great for those who want a value mac or refurbished or used.
Best Buy is a good place to get open boxed discounted MacBooks Agreed 🎉
Exactly this. Hell, when I bought my M1 Pro 14 inch MacBook Pro back in 2022, it was still the latest model you could get. The M2 MacBook Air had just come out so the M2 Pro series MacBooks didn’t exist yet. Even then, I was able to get a laptop for $1,500 from Best Buy ($500 off on sale, and another $500 saved by trading in my old 13 inch intel MBP) when just 8 months ago that same machine would have cost $2,500. And that was back then, now we have so many Apple Silicon Macs on the used market, and even the older ones still kick ass. My M1 Pro is still capable of more than I actually need. It still has excellent battery life, still gets all the Apple Intelligence features (though half of them like Image playgrounds are useless), and still is blazing fast. I still probably won’t upgrade for another 3 years, and by then the MacBooks will probably get redesigned and have other features I will want besides just performance (like hopefully Face ID).
This situation is also in Poland where there are no sales and good prices. This is a worldwide trend.
The hilarious part is that the retailers seeing these things sit for so long that they had to cut prices so aggressively are probably going to cut back their orders moving forward. Good job Tim Cook gimping your machines so effectively they had the lifespan of a tomato. LoL 😂
They’re depreciating because they were insanely overpriced to begin with. So it’s basically a price correction. Finally.
exactly
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YES! Exactly!
this
Luxury cars are no exception. It’s mind-boggling how new Cadillacs can fetch such high prices, but there are always people who fall for it. So, you buy a car for a whopping $160,000, and a year later, it’s only worth $100,000. Well, guess what? It probably wasn’t worth much more than $110 to $115 to begin with.
My guess: the M4 is so much better than previous M chips, demand for older M chips are way down.
This is why. I’m looking for a new laptop and no way would I want an M3
True basic M4 chip beating M3 Pro Chips in many scenarios.
Upgrading to the M4 is a wise decision, as it's unlikely that Apple will release a more advanced chip within the next few years.
@@narutobrokenhave an M3 Pro and M4. Knowing what I know now, I wouldn’t buy the M4 for 100€ more. My opinion. I can’t see practical diferences. I use macs mainly for programming
Laptops were always expected to be a little slower. An M3 MacBook is still a beast of a computer, performance-wise superior to traditional laptops.
Not true. I just bought an M1 Pro, and it's so fast and powerful that it's scary; and I am an animator. Who cares if an M4 exports a few short minutes faster? It's not worth spending a couple of extra thousand.
The M1 chip was already so good. They are just updating them so fast, the bump is not worth it. People do not need the "extra" power, 99% of users are not maxing out their M1 very often.
This. I still see no reason to upgrade my M1. 👍
Exactly. My M1 Air is still performing amazingly. Best damn laptop I've ever used in my life.
If I see an M1 Mini slide by on the local second hand market I wouldn't mind scooping one up. At a nice price of course. Because yes... the M1 already has shown great performance gain over the Older Intel Lineup.
I was saying the EXACT same thing. Dumbass clout chasing Influencers flexing on kids with $5k laptops they won't even use 10% of. And upgrade a year later like they're going to notice it. Spoiler alert, the law of diminishing returns shows us that the rate of improvement is gradually less over time as each new iteration of the product is introduced. Hence M1 Max > M2 > M3 etc etc.
I'm VERY happy with my M1 Max 10/24/32/1TB that I picked up for $2500 three years ago and haven't had a single thing wrong with it that wasn't covered by Apple for peanuts.
That's precisely what I think. Laptops are not mobile phones. We don't need upgrades every year. And by upgrades, I mean, small upgrades year on year.
I’m still rocking my 14” M1 Pro. Probably won’t upgrade for another few years!
Ditto…. see you around M7. 😉
This is the way.
m1 macbook air and while I don't do anything crazy like video editing or coding, I am a heavy user with a lot of tabs and a good amount of programs open and other than sometimes a small slowdown, the computer call still pretty much keep up flawlessly. Just reminding myself that even the mba is significantly more powerful than any intel mac that came before it in the cpu department, I know I don't need anything new honestly until probably way after this thing doesn't even receive software updates anymore
and even then you can probably just use asahi linux or there'll probably be an apple silicon version of open core legacy patcher by that point, so there's really no losing unless you get a hardware failure like the ssd dying
Same here. I just purchased an M1 Pro 16-inch with 1TB of storage brand new for only $1,500. It's crazy fast and powerful. I am an animator and use tons of effects all the time. I don't see why anyone needs anything faster than that. I also still have a 2019 Silicon that is in great shape.
Same. It got me through undergrad and grad school in a tech major. I still use it for work. No issues
Or maybe they’re going for what they would be if the storage was reasonably priced in the first place. 🤔
Exactly, Mac’s aren’t such a bubble that they don’t have to compete with PCs. I think this is the aftermarket correcting because people weren’t willing to pay the crazy prices for a while.
Maybe you're just riding your soapbox regardless of whether it's relevant.
@@TheDanEdwards Maybe that’s because it’s a genuine issue and if people weren’t so willing to absolutely burn their money, it wouldn’t even be an issue.
In the last 20 years, I’ve owned two computers: a 17” PowerBook G4 and a 16” MacBook Pro Retina from 2013. I’ll soon be in the market for a third to hopefully last another 10+ years. I don’t understand the appeal of upgrading so often. I prefer leaps in performance over gradual improvements.
I feel bad for anyone not on an M-series chip by now. It's a night and day difference.
@@levihambrick I'm sure it is...but for my music production hobby, my 2009 Mac Pro with 96 GB of RAM NVMe SSD's and upgraded processors, running opencore with Sequoia and Logic Pro 11, seems to be working just fine and I don't find any slowness. To each his own, but I'll end up getting about 20 odd years out of that system so that's a win in my books. The M4's are tempting though.
@@mb7196 what is the power consumption of a machine like that?
@@cidsx lol.... I don't know but I imagine it's pretty awful.
@@levihambricknot everyone needs it we've been spoiled by it but if you never had it you don't know what you're missing so why should you care about it people just have fomo and upgrade for the wrong reasons
I wouldn't have even paid that for a used machine, who knows how abused the battery is on a given machine or how much heat, drops, etc it has been exposed to.
You can check a battery status. Status of the body etc. If seller still has original packaging you can almost bet it was a well kept.
Look, my M3 Pro (almost topped out) is pristine and like new, I rarely use it on battery. Paid 3500 euros for it exactly year before. Now it is almost half the price even here in central Europe. Crazy. I'm Mac user since 1994, had plenty of Apple machines in times where almost nobody here even knew what the heck Apple is. Never saw such loss of value.
I have a nostlagy about M1 Air I sold one year before, just when I bought M3 Pro. 16 GB RAM. Bought it for 800 euros one year old. Made a 35,000 in one year on that machine and sold it for 700. So for 100 euro investment I made 350 times more. That was a deal.
Heck, many of my scotch single malts costs much more than I paid for that machine.
he said he had like 64 battery cycles. Apple batteries generally go for 1000 cycles ( 1 full complete charge, ie 20% charged back to 20% left and then charged is 1 cycle ) I used to work on non warranty macs, routinely saw 2000-3000 cycles with 90% capacity left ) pictures show the condition so that isn't really a problem.
Maybe the point of these Macs is that you should actually use them for more than a year instead of constantly buying a new one?
Yeah, ironic how in the used market the M2 Pro and Max laptops cost the same as their M1 counterparts now huh
Buy the lower specd ones so you are less a victim of Apple margins, basically deprecation is overdeployed margin. Happens the same with luxury cars.
maybe because in the Intel era, the computers barely ever improved. After 2015, the newer computers were actually much worse, so the old ones held their value
If amd ryzen wasn't successful, cpus would have still been quad cores at the high end.
it is pretty crazy. i went from buying a new mac every 3 years/selling my last one to avoiding the laptops completely once they changed the keyboard/added the touchbar. luckily apple silicon has been great. it was a long time coming.
I wanted to buy a mbp in 2016 (after years of running hackintosh), but they were so bad... I literally destroyed every spec of the mbp back then with a alienware laptop by a significant margin (including 4k oled), for 1/3rd of the cost. While mbps were literally catching fire from that intel heat lol. And used prices were absurd. The pace of improvement has to slow down at some point though for apple silicon.
The reason for the MacBook Pro 16" M1 Pro being sold for only 820 USD is obvious! The seller has a feedback rating of only 81% positive with a total feedback score of 43, meaning he had received at least 8 negative feedbacks! Who wants to buy from him!? You'd be lucky to receive the product and intact.
Snagged a M1 Pro for 750 thought that was a good deal. It’s in mint condition.
Where do you live bro? In my country secondhand m1 pro still 1200-1500$ 🥲
@ some nice fellow in Minnesota. On FB marketplace.
@@RivandaBakhtiar depends on the spec, 8GB/256GB models are sold much less than 750 usd.
@@attekotiranta1598 base m1 pro is 16/512
Which one is it ? M1 macbook pro and m1 pro macbook pro are totally different.
I feel like people are just blind or ignorant. Apple rarely ever introduced alternate MacBook Pros with cheaper processors or GPUs during Intel days. It was always minimal improvements over and over for years on the same generation. The difference now is that Apple introduced a "cheap" version of the Macbook Pros at a price that falls in line with previous used market. Then they also have the Macbook Air that's also very good. Most people don't like buying used computers, especially those looking at this tier of computer price point. This is the main reason why used prices are lower...Apple adjusted their models and pricing, which causes direct competition to used. When you have used and new at the same price, used will always lose and cause a drop in demand. This is a good thing!
Not to mention that the now 'cheap' version of macbook pro with base m series chip is very capable of semi professional task for most casual users unlike the intel days when a base 13' macbook pro comes with underpowered dual core chips and weak ass integrated graphics that can do no more than web browsing, so the demand for older 15' models that has quad core cpu and dedicated graphics were pretty high in the semi pro market , it was in that way for a long time.
@@MBZ-Nation or…there could just be less people in the Mac ecosystem looking to buy as users have gotten fed up with high prices and insufficient ram and storage configs hike also having to accept you can’t run windows natively anymore to game.
Tim Cook spent 10yrs+ ignoring the prosumer end of the Mac ecosystem - why is it surprising to fanboys they can’t get $3k back on their top tier laptop anymore? 🤷 shrug 🤷
You can't replace a SSD. Who knows how it was used by previous owner. Maybe it was swapping like crazy, and it will fali soon. The risk is too big if the price isn't right.
Since the M-chips have been going there has been no sign of SSDs failing, quite the contrary. And compared top green lines on Samsung and OnePlus phones almost nominal. So, that is not going to be an issue. You may want to do some research as OEMs now use advanced SSDs with their own software algorithms that manage storage and mean that they will probably last decades.
Also if you buy a machine with more RAM there probably is not a lot of SSD swapping occurring?!?
There is a diagnostic utility that can project the remaining life of the SSD. Also, the SSD can be replaced (or upgraded) by a competent technician.
@@gaiustacitus4242 but the SSDs for Apple Silicon can only be sourced from other scrapped MacBooks or at the same ridiculous prices from Apple's official repairs, so it's still not a great situation
@gaiustacitus4242 isn't the ssd built into the soc?
Okay I am no expert but I think you missed some key things. Number 1 M4 is the first Apple Silicon chip where lots of M1 and maybe M2 users are starting to think its time to upgrade. This means they are likely to want to sell the current device, that is simple supply and demand. 2 The new M4 Mac's start with 16GB of RAM and for all previous modules that would have been a 200 plus upgrade, so that gone. 3 the mac mini has come out and for people that don't need a macbook that provides a great cost effective alternative, probably more so than the old Mac Mini due to the size. Finally more people have switched to an M4 iPad as a main machine and if they need Mac OS a base model M4 Mini would be a good option. I could go on but I don't think Intel and Snapdragon is a massive reason it's more the above at a guess.
The 16GB base for all machines this year (including M2/3 Airs) essentially took $200 off the value of previous laptops in one go. The M4 mini is also very tempting for anyone who spends most of their time docked; it's cheap, supports 3 monitors, has 16GB of RAM, and external storage is no biggie for a desktop machine. You're also likely right about M1 owners being about ready to upgrade - and even highly specced M1's are flattened by base M4s.
The new base mini does look good value , for a change, apart from drive size and I'm mulling over buying one after years without a Mac. Though I wouldn't pay a high price for a used computer of any sort so I never really understood why Mac's kept so much of its value before.
Ain't nobody buying that m4 ipad it's crazy expensive and still doesn't do anything a 2018 pro can do
@@The_MEMEphis Agreed it's costly but nobody clearly isnt true is it. Are you saying global sales of M4 Pro IPads is Zero.
@@SJG33 taking what I said a little to literally but it definitely sells even worse oversees than in America considering how expensive every apple product is outside of America
Macbook pros with intel chips didn't get almost yearly CPU upgrades, now with M series chips they almost do. So macbooks seem "outdated" sooner because the CPU seems older and out of date because a new one comes out so frequently.
They did get yearly upgrades. Apple gaslit you in 2016-2020 to think it’s normal to sell 3 year old cpus.
Wrong, in fact sometimes Apple even used to update the CPU’s twice a year 😂
For example in 2013 apple updated the chips twice, early and late in the year
@@jimi272 Yup! Early and Late 20xx models.
Apple has basically saturated the market with computers have processors that no longer have the performance jumps as before. Im still rocking the original M1 macbook pro. I just bought the m4 mini and for what I use my devices for I couldnt really tell tooooo much a difference. Not enough to warrant replacing. Just my thoughts.
Opposite, performance jump is huge. In Intel times it wasn't at all basically and Apple used same processors as the rest of the market so their prices really made no sense.
Anyway, since m1 the market is saturated with good MacBooks. People dumping last year's and getting the new hotness because of you fellow influencers.
In my opinion, the answer is:
1) is easier and easier to get new ones on credit, allowing people to buy more expensive new models paying very little per month, and thus discouraging people from buying used;
2) more people are upgrading macs, saturating the used market with last years models.
The zero percent is a 10-20% discount that is offered year round. You add in Apple's same day delivery option for $9 more and why would anyone want to take the risk of buying used. I can sit in my PJ's and get the dopamine of opening a brand new box.
Yes, OCLP.
It shouldn't be surprising, they've emulated the iPhone cycle, an M1 MBP now would go for like 700 USD now.
I've been an Apple user for twenty-seven years, and I've noticed that the M2 and M3 chips seemed more like stopgap solutions, offering minimal improvements over the M1. They were still sold with disappointingly low base RAM configurations, which was frustrating. However, the new M4 chip finally offers a reasonable base RAM configuration and significant upgrades, such as Thunderbolt 5, making it a worthwhile investment.
Many users are now upgrading from older machines because they realize there wasn't much difference between the M1 and its successors until now. Personally, I've shifted to a four to five-year replacement cycle because the changes in recent models haven't justified the high purchase price.
Very minimally acceptable base RAM configuration, not reasonable. It should be 32GB by now, with 1TB SSD minimum.
@@jonc4403 32gb should be the minimum all around. Because my iMac once I upgraded from 8gb to 32gb uses 24gb at least!
I really wish Apple would go to a longer product cycle for a bit. Its not needed every year. I miss the S line of iphones.
Those S-names were just names though. The upgrades themselves were all that mattered.
And if a CPU improves in 12 months then why not sell a new version? Versus Intel who was slightly treading water every 12 months … for a decade maybe?
@@whophd I mean it works great for us, Though I know a lot of people still on M1 machines and super happy with them. From a company stand point I would want to let the M1 series cook longer before the m2. They could of had it stilling in the queue and let the resale values settle.
It’s time to bring back the glowing logo.
THIS
I think second-hand Macs were just overpriced in the past. For me it was always ridiculous to pay 2/3 of the list price for a two years old Mac without warranty and nowadays also without any upgrade possibilities. The second-hand prices are just more realistic now!
“Finally sold my M3 pro” dude, the laptop is less than 2 years old. Give me a break with the dramatic “finally”
As a long time Apple fan I am done buying new at full price open box is fine or off eBay / marketplace because you save a lot of money only thing new I'll buy is iPhones
Probably only in US. In Europe the price is very high.
Still but this will alter if the people are not willing to pay phantasy prices for new and even used apple devices. The major problem is the lack of user upgradabilty und user maintenance. Yes you can give an damaged mac to an certified repairshop but is usually a total write-off. They are faboulous as long they are matching your needs and have no defect, if one of the two things happen the user is the looser.
Not true, just checked used ones here in Slovakia. 14" M3 Max 128 GB RAM for 3400 euros. M3 Pros with base ram and 1 TB SSD for 2000 euros. Crazy.
Because all laptops depreciate! It’s like driving a bus off a cliff
Because everybody who can pay 2500 will be willing to pay them on an M4 Pro rather than an M3 Pro, basically Apple releasing macs way to frequently is the reason 0:29
Because everyone needs a M4 Pro to browse social media
😂
2:03 If it was $1700 a year prior, half that is actually a reasonable amount - that's how depreciation and zero warranty works.
It’s a symptom of a product cycle that is faster than the replacement rate. The supply of used mac is augmenting but the demand did not change.
Why the hell wants somebody sell a one yer old laptop?
got my $2500 spec M1 Pro 14” close to launch and it’s still a beast. Got me through my masters and still at 100% battery capacity. Probably won’t even consider upgrading until they do a design change with the M6 generation
2:02 if you have choose 8go ram the value of the device will crash because all Mac now come with 16 go ram at base
What do you expect when Apple will hardly give you anything either? January 2023 I bought an M2Pro Mac Mini - it was $1942 new (CAD) and my trade-in value from Apple is only $260 now. If Apple doesn't think it is worth much - why should anyone else?
Facts my mid tier m1 imac from a year ago was $1300 CAD, it's worth maybe $350 on the Apple store, not that I would ever go that route, but jus sayin.
Same experience for me in au too
You will never get max value trading back to Apple. Always in the resale market. On occasion Best BUy has a very good trade in price where they pay a higher number and upgrades make more sense.
NEVER trade in ANYTHING to Apple. They're giving you a "discount" that means they still make money, and they shred your old computer to keep it off the used market. It's artificially inflating the value of used Macs and iPhones.
I got my M2 MacBook Air at the pawn shop for $399. Thing only had 40 charge cycles on the battery and was in amazing condition!
I think its 2 things that are really affecting the second hand market - 1) you nailed it, the jump to M4 has been another big one, so everything below is just nowhere near as good and should be reduced in price. Hell I have a M2 Max macbook pro and its on par with that base M4... yikes (I love my laptop though, no complaints in real world use) AND 2) Apple silicon has been so good, people have really bought up the M computers and it has flooded the market, reducing the overall resale value. Great time to get a second hand apple laptop and you wont be disappointed. That guy got a killer deal on your laptop at $1500
Why would anyone expect used tech products to retain value?
Because they did in the past with the intel chips for macbooks for over a decade at least, that's why.
@@TheVoiceofReason4ya yep, but it looks like the reason was because the performance was pretty much the same in all of them. actual improvements every few years is making the significantly better laptops also depreciate a lot faster which is actually insane. every once in a while I get tempted to just sell my m1 mba and just get a used m2 mbp or something, since I won't even be losing that much money but then I get better performance, better speakers, better screen, etc
@@HearMeLearn When it comes to performance, for most people RAM amount is the bottleneck
The market is OVERSATURATED with MacBook Pros!!
I think you can‘t compare the listing prices to the apple prices. When the m4 macs were released the 16 inch cost 2899€ in Europe, after just a month I got it for 2500€ from a retailer (new).
i think it hasn't gone down enough, a previous gen machine should be less than the new one , despite the specs.
Why spec it out just to sell it a year later?!
I can't wait until a few more months out and the used M4 Mac minis come down even more from the great value. I don't really have a need for it but if it's that good I'll pick one up regardless.
Mini are updated less often than macbooks.
Anyway, still, bought Mac mini M1 for 260 euros few days before. Base model but for my hobby workshop plenty enough. Two years ago I bought used one, same base model for my dad for 500 euros. He is very happy with it and will serve him probably to his last days
What is the website you were browsing for MacBook deal? I am looking for one.
Apple upgrades too frequently. You spend crazy amounts of cash for the latest, and it's outdated within a few months. I just bought a 16-inch, 1-terabyte M1 Pro, and I couldn't be happier with my decision. It's crazy fast and powerful; I am an animator. Why spend extra thousands for the latest just because it exports a couple of minutes faster? Oh yeah, and I only paid $1,500 for my M1 Pro brand new.
I am still using a *Mid-2012 MacBook Pro* with battery replaced and RAM upgraded.
The explanation for why recent Apple laptop vs s are depreciating faster than ever is rather simple.
In the dreary Intel days the improvement from one model to the next generation in terms of CPU was negligible and new models were released every 18 to 24 months.
Now that Apple controls their processor destiny we’re seeing significantly faster laptops every 12 months.
If you think M series laptops have depreciated hard, check out the intel models. They’ve plummeted.
Buy what you need and enjoy it.
My M1 MacBook Pro is still awesome and I’ve ordered a Mac mini that will arrive in a couple of weeks.
Great days to be a Apple geek.
I bought an M1 Max 10/24/32GB/1TB straight out of the gate the day they released and three years later, I have absolutely ZERO regrets. In that time, the price went up 20% I have had the battery replaced for free and just before AC+ ran out last week, got a brand new screen for $90 bucks. Thanks little kitten! Apart from that it has been a faultless three years.
This machine is amazing and I couldn't care less about how much better the M2/3/4 is on a fucking geekbench test or using some fucking rendering software as if I was a some sort of guru game programmer. 95% of you people aren't even doing anything close to needing all that power. The M1 is good for literally 5 years at LEAST.
Why the hell waste your money on the later models if you REALLY don't need them??
So basically they're depreciating like every other type of electronics rather than being artificially propped up.
There’s little demand since laptops are just computing appliances.
I dunno… Intel and AMD PCs and laptops are still not looking as abysmal as ASi in the used market 😅
Couldn’t it mean that the new ones are too overpriced?
More reason to hold onto your stuff. Using it gets you more value than selling it.
I'm still on a MacBook Pro 16-inch (Late 2019) with a 2.6 GHz 6-Core Intel Core i7, AMD Radeon Pro 5300M (4 GB), Intel UHD Graphics 630 (1536 MB), 16 GB RAM, and 512GB SSD. I use iCloud for storage, and it’s been a great machine! But now I’m curious-if I upgrade to a new Mac with Apple Silicon, will it blow my mind with the performance boost?
Just never sell it, buy used, take care of it and it will last a lifetime.
I don't think you can say it'll last a lifetime. I mean, sure, my Woz Limited Edition Apple IIgs is in great condition and still works well, but the internet is barely usable on it.
Its called market correction. Their msrp and resale value have been hugely overpriced for the duration. Seriously? A 4tb macbook for $3500, and you think that's a deal?! My laptop is expanded to16tb, it's comparable to m3 in performance and its not even close to that ridiculous "deal."
Apple are being kinda clever with their pricing of m4 pros- they’ve lowered entry price , and NOT introduced an m4 air yet so people looking for airs have more reasons to go pro (even though base m4 pro is just an m4 chip same as the next air will have). Very clever on their part trying to stretch the pro range to appeal to people buying the air for a couple months before introducing the m4 air
Might as well profit off those without the patience to wait a few months.
I bought my daughter a M3 Air 13 inch 16GB/512GB for $650 at a Pawn Shop here in NYC. It was unopened. I negotiated the price. I had bought a 16 inch MacBook Pro M1 32GB, 1TB for $900 about a month prior at the same store. From what I understood they got it at a corporate auction.
You just need to make sure these laptops are not MDM enrolled
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I appreciate you telling me this. This isn’t the first or second time I’ve bought a used MacBook and I have been given the same advice before. It is something that I check for along with running hardware diagnostics. You’re giving good advice here.
Most average consumers dont know the bench numbers, they see 1,2,3,4, pro, max, ultra. The same as OOOOHHHH more MEGA PIXEL= Better! I noticed right away when I mistakenly listed my base 16 inch macbook m1 pro a year after I got it, same deal. In the past the intel days, it was just i3, i5, i7 (before i9), it was like that for what, a decade? The naming/numbering scheme has done to laptops what it has done to the iphone...and yet the iphone retains more of its value over time than the macbooks do I would bet.
You said it, want value these days? Keep the macbook for 6-8 years, upgrade when a new form factor or something major changes. Only way your going to get your money's worth out if it.
3:30 Be careful showing outside your windows! Or The Rainbolt will come and get you on the next Google Street View pass.
I think it's more to do with the advancement of PC with Intel and AMD chips rather than Apple's own. Now, you can buy a powerful PC laptop with similar efficiency, long battery life and powerful graphic card for similar or even lower price than Apple laptop. In the past, PC laptop only lasts 3 to 5 hours but now many lasts over 10 hours and can still play games. I sold my Macbook pro M1 max a few months ago for $1600 and bought a gaming laptop for similar price.
I did it like you.
Around one year ago I sold my MacBook Pro 16" M1 Max and bought for the money a new PC laptop which was faster and memory(RAM and SSD) was doubled. Build quality is also great - only disadvantage was the shorter term running on battery.
First I wanted to buy a new MacBook Pro M3 but the prices for one equipped with proper RAM/SSD sizes were just ridiculous.
And this is why I always get mine second hand, find a seller who’s taken good care of it or buy it from the apple refurb site and you’ll save a lot of money. I never need the latest and greatest as I do music production, for me it’s a win.
🐁 What’s going on is Gen Z growing up on smartphones and never learning to use a mouse.
Also the first year of ownership is always the steepest loss in value. 💻
Luke is "Shocked" that his 14" M3 Pro sold for $1,500 when a brand new 14" M4 Pro was selling on Amazon for $1,749. I don't think beefy specs matter when you have last years chip. 🤷🏼♂
It’s not crazy. It’s a correction. Used equipment should only be worth half of what they were new. That would make sense on the depreciation of an item where a new one is released every year.
The drop in M3 Pro made a lot of sense. It was basically no faster than the M2 Pro.
Because the "M" Mac Series are so good now one is upgrading.
Thank you for altering the aspect ratio of your videos to not cut into the Dynamic Island! I wish more creators would do that.
You're welcome! I'm glad you noticed :)
Simple reason. They are stupidly overpriced from point of sale it also proves the pointless task of upgrading every year and throwing money away
I got my 13.3 inch M1 MacBook Air for $300. It only had 50 some cycles. I did not expect for one second that it would replace my Windows machine. It was just supposed to be my reintroduction to the OS X platform. After getting a dock for some expansion it has completely taken over. It pushes my fairly large 1440p LG at 75 Hz just wonderfully.I love it to pieces despite it 8 gig memory limitation. The M1 is still a remarkable processor. If you can get an M1 Pro or Max or whatever, it's basically a supercomputer for the price they can be had at. If Apple had increased the base storage of the new Mini to 512 gigs or 768 and kept the price, they would have pulled the trigger on a large portion of the PC industry at that $599 price point. EDIT: purchased 4 months ago.
I am a basic user and have the same model. I couldn’t be happier.
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@@wjckc79 thanks for the info! I haven’t used it with an external monitor yet.
Apple releases their chips less than a year apart, and sometimes even within just a few months. For instance, the M3 Pro was released only a few months after the M2 Pro. This seems like a poor strategy. Initially, I thought Apple would release M-series chips on an alternating yearly schedule, with the base M chip followed by Pro, Max, and Ultra variants. For example, the M1 was released in 2020, the M1 Pro in 2021, the M2 in 2022, and so on. However, that’s not the case.
This is different from the Intel days when a processor like the Intel i5 4th Gen was available for several years, which helped it depreciate more slowly.
Exactly.
Apple's Intel releases were just Apple being stupid. They could and should have released every time Intel upgraded a chip.
Best buy offers same prices basically when you trade in for a new one and no fees etc
Before Apple Silicon, it was MacOS and the Apple family of products that was the big driver of sales in Macs. Now, with the huge regular advances in their chips, it’s Apple Silicon.
I'll tell you what's going on: The used market pays what things are actually worth, not what companies say they are worth. Macbook Pros are routinely priced $500 above their actual price of utility, so if you try to sell one, you'll get less than you might expect.
So you’re an entitled you tuber who got his/her computer for free or close to free and made videos about it andmade money from the videos yet you’re complaining.
I reckon you should collab with Jern and white gllasses going bald boy on genius bar and complain you only made $59k last month.
Yet here i am battling prostate cancer wondering if ill be homeless next month
Sucks to be you
I plan on keeping my M2 Mac mini until it is unsupported.
Apple is over saturating the market. It use to take years for them to make new models that will out perform there previous counterparts. Now it only take months, devaluating each make models. Greed is the culprit here and that's why now I wait 2 to 3 years sometimes 5 to get a significant change on my Mac and iPads.
It doesnt surprise me. Apple releases a new macbook every year and each update isnt "the biggest leap forward". As long as you got an M-Modell Macbook you have great power and battery life.
As someone who often buys my computer used on eBay, I’m pretty excited about this. But also, as someone who then turns around and sell my old computer on eBay, I’m pretty bummed lol. I guess it’s a break even at this point for me, emotionally lol. One good advantage, is that if people are selling newer computers at such a reduced price, you should be able to get one with AppleCare still on it.
Do you put protective skins on your MacBooks? I just got a m4 pro and want to make sure it dosnt get any scratches or scuffs
People just aren’t using laptops as much as they used to. An iPad has replaced 90% of my laptop work. I know several people who don’t even have laptops anymore. They just use phones/tablets
For consumption yes. You are right. Most kids only have mobiles.
Nonsense. An iPad is a toy, not a tool. Nobody is using a phone instead of a laptop for actual work.
@@jonc4403 that is, i think, what he means by the other 10%.
Maybe people buying used don't like to get outright scammed with overpriced memory prices
Or Apple's new trick. There was a gap and they closed it. I was looking at MacBook Pro or Max for a possible upgrade but did not want the top unit. They have limited the top Pro to 48GB and the base Max to 36GB RAM forcing you to go to the top Max unit to get access to 64GB or more RAM. Clever Apple, very clever!!
Luke Miani when overpriced previous gen products depreciate in value: 🤯
Maybe people are selling it because they can’t upgrade the laptop so the upgrade becomes buying a new one and selling the old one.
In Europe Apple is so luxury. In USA its so cheap. You should all be happy to have cheap Apple! Id have every Apple product if Id live in US.
maybe your just looking in the wrong place mate . i live in uk got my m1 pro macbook pro 16inch for £890 . used is the way to go to find cheaper stuff
It is not luxury, but overpriced.
well the reason of intel based Macs having decent value might be because of limited availability and legacy reasons, especially for niche x84 use cases. In terms of performance intel is still crying in the heated corner. :D
Simple. Demand is low.
There seems to be more frequent sale and with deeper discounts on newer macs too. That helps to push down used mac prices.
BIDENOMICS
The Economy SUCKS, people need food and shelter more than an expensive laptop.
No one wants to pay the apple tax on a used laptop.
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The issue isn't the speed, it's market saturation, even an M1 is more than fast enough for 90% of consumers. Look at Macbook sales over the past 3 years or so. Apple is selling more than double what it was before in some cases and they are shipping more as well. While I know many people who have switched and are very happy you have a large percentage of the population that is going to buy whatever $400 laptop they can get at BB or Costco. So while Apple is making headway, even though it has slowed, there are just a LOT more Macbooks and a lot more decently priced ones even new. You can get a new M3 Air for about $800, that is a steal of a deal IMHO. If someone has a recent one and wants the brand new one, when most people would be good with an Air for many years to come, they are going to have to come WAY down to get that sale. The used guitar market is in a similar situation right now because of the number of sales during the Covid isolation then over production the next year. For us power users year we want the new most powerful but that's a small percentage of the population, if we choose to do that I think we just have to realize it's going to cost us to do it.
Well I bought a brand new M2 base model (16 GB RAM) for around 975$ (including 23% VAT, so that's just 750$ for the device). Comparable windows ultrabook is around the same price or sometimes it is more expensive to stick with microsoft.
Annoyingly (for someone who needs to replace their 2018 MBP) the prices aren't dropping that quickly in the UK.
Value is drastically influenced by what people are willing to pay as well, also compared to sellers’ patience in keeping it listed for market value
M4 is blowing it all away, i even finally upgraded from intel imacs to m4 minis. Plus i was more scared of buying any old M1, M2 M3 due to everything sodered to the items, so if the SSD is dying its not worth the risk.
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I think the higher end MacBooks have low resale value but the lower end MacBook airs have a great resale value
i got a m1 macbook pro. despite the "tech leaps" we gotta undestand that right now we have slightly better upgrades, but apple has done it with m1 series. that's it. if you don't need a crazy machine, why would you buy it? simple - and obvious.