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They never sold any song that was not an official release the ones they sampled were for free on SoundCloud. I recommend the rise of bangtan series created by Army that starts from before they debut. It will also help explain how the music industry works in korea. It is 21 chapters. The best documentary on them since it uses BTS own vlogs and videos to tell their story. They have been around over a decade now, so it would be impossible to learn all in one documentary.
I wouldn't say I like how this guy accuses BTS of stealing music samples. The way he comes across just annoys me. They just want to build their channel and for views.
The samples they used were not used in songs which they sold - they released them for free on Soundcloud. Any samples they used in sold songs were credited and paid for For example, both RM ('RM') and SUGA's ('Agust D') first mixtapes used samples and were released for free on Soundcloud. 'Agust D' was added years later on Spotify because they got the rights for his samples. 'RM' is still not available though. Their song 'Born Singer' - which is an old adaptation from 'Born Sinner' - only got the rights recently and got released on 'Proof'. Hobi also paid graciously for the rights of 'Chicken Noodle Soup', credited the original artist and referenced them in the song. They have a lot of respect for what they use K-pop groups tend to use samples or inspiration which they never pay for or credit at all but BTS always did. They never appropriate what they use and always pay respect to their inspirations
The unofficial songs were never realised on monetised platforms. They were the equivalent of a UA-camr doing a cover of a song, except they were writing their own lyrics for them.
In Burn the Stage, BTS revealed that J-Hope left the group prior to debut. He came back he said because he believed in the other members. J Hope also received a lot of hate early on for his looks and talent, which is crazy because he is so talented and has always been a very nice looking guy.
so the unofficial predebut songs were all released on soundcloud which is free so there are no copyrights issues because if you post a song there, you can't gain money from it. later on some of those songs, for example born singer (which samples born sinner by J Cole) was given the green light to be released in streaming platforms in 2022
I'll answer some of your questions. Yes, while falling down the BTS rabbit hole, we search and research everything about BTS. Second, samples are used but never released/sold for profit. They were mostly released on SoundCloud. Major records are of course legally acquired for them to use. Gosh, even Disney allowed them to dub for Zootopia in Korean. Third, J-Hope did leave but was convinced by the members to go back to the company. The tears JK spilt 😄 when J-Hope left...
13:33 In my understanding, thse songs were unofficial meaning they didn't earn anything. Its like someone releasing a song they covered on youtube and SoundCloud.
Jhope left for a moment cause he said he felt like he wouldn't fit in with the group,but came back because he trusts the guys and the company. BTS without 7 won't ever sound right💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Well, a hip hop group is typically more about artistic expression within the hip hop culture, while a hip hop idol group focuses more on entertainment, image, and mass appeal, often blending elements of pop, etc., and polished performances. However, we know that BTS has significant creative control over their music, lyrics, and themes. This sets them apart from other idol groups, where creative control is more limited or in some cases nonexistent. Um, you should also note that a hip hop group and a hip hop idol group differ primarily in the context, culture, and function of the groups. Basically in South Korea, the idol group structure is a system where members were recruited, trained, and debuted as idols. So the members undergo rigorous training in dancing, singing, and other performance skills.
As far as I know they have never released a Halloween song, what they have released are Halloween dance practices where they do their choreography in costumes. There are 3 Halloween dance practices and they are pure chaos. Gogo, 21st Century Girl, and War of Hormone. Even better than these Halloween dance practices are the fan made videos “What you might have missed in the Gogo/War of Hormone/20th Century Girl dance practices” which zooms in on funny things going on in the background and adds sound effects and hilarious captions. Another funny video like this is “What you might have missed in the Butter Remix” videos highly recommend all of these if you are having a bad day. They will instantly cheer you up.
Copyright laws were a lot more lax back then too. I remember cover/parody songs of popular songs all over UA-cam back in the earlier days of UA-cam. BTS were also very small back then in the global sense. Also if there was a problem with those big labels, then those videos would've been blocked/restricted by now, so there must've been some sort of clearance as they got bigger or it wasn't an issue to begin with.
It wasn't an issue, because they were never released as a mean to gain money. Every song with samples that was used as a mean to gain money was a cleared sample, meaning they paid for the copyright rights.
So "idol" as pertains to KPop is a graduate of an idol training system, with debut serving as graduation. As opposed to independent or underground artists, idols go through extensive training in entertainment skills: it includes music, dance, acting, modelling, casting, anything you can think of, but also physical conditioning, media training, public speaking and foreign languages. The extent and quality of training varies across agencies. Idols also exist largely in a bootcamp situation, living in dorms and having tightly managed schedules and monthly exams/showcases to rate their progress in training. Kind of a mix of army bootcamp and teen athletes training. In this aspect, like many others, BTS is unlike other KPop idols significantly. BigHit wasn't and idol agency, they didn't have a training program, they had to create one after signing RM, and they were making it up as they went along on a limited budget. BigHit was more of a production and recording studio, they didn't have their own developing artists before. So BTS idol training was veeeery loosey goosey compared to established agencies and heavily focused on music production and recording, and live performances, something the existing BigHit crew already were doing. As for early BTS songs that sampled big western hits, they weren't "released" commercially. They were uploaded on soundcloud and other platforms for free, they're not monetised therefore don't need to be "licensed", they fall under fair use because BTS doesn't actually make money off of it. However some of them were later released on DSPs after obtaining license from labels, like "Born Singer" that sampled J. Cole's "Born Sinner".
Just a little correction, BigHit had recording artists but they didn't have a training program, they had an arrangement with JYP for that. But I agree the production/songwriting part was the more important. I think BangPD was their biggest "asset" back then
@@MarinaEariel That's exactly what I said though, unless I failed to convey that information clearly. English isn't my first language so there's always room for error.
Boracity makes great video essays.. definitely opinionated but intelligent,well researched and super informative… Others have mentioned rise of bangtan which goes a long way to explain the K-pop industry as well as BTS’ journey… and is beautifully edited by the creator Aneesa… it covers the history and development of K-pop which is very illuminating.. Korea is historically Neo Confucianist and Buddhist but there are about 14.5 million Christian’s and Christmas is celebrated but not focused on gift giving.. it is a national holiday…
I believe they can remake songs without permission if they are unofficial and won't be sold or make any money. They were doing these songs to get their voices out there, not for financial purposes. I believe this to be true because of what I read about a later song that J-Hope remade several years later...Chicken Noodle Soup. He paid the artist 2.7 million dollars for the rights to the song. What I read was he did this because he thought it was the right thing to do for the creator and he was in a financial position to do so. The article said he didn't NEED to pay for the song because it was a free release as a gift to the fans on Soundcloud and he wouldn't be making any financial gain from it. Not only did he pay for the song, he also paid to have an MV made of the song and credited every backup dancer in the credits at the end.
Their agency would get permission if they were going to use it. These were like covers posted on SoundCloud with their own lyrics. Big Hit is always really good about being official about what they do. Also, if you really like this video, you should eventually check out more of Boracity Magazine's videos. She covers so much information and her channel is mostly focused on BTS. I look forward to more of you videos.
Most ARMY know j-hope left (and that the line up was all switched around before debut), but there is SO much backstory to them. I mean....SO much. That's why the guides are helpful and why they have to keep updating with current stuff. The original go-to Guide to BTS that was recommended like five or six years ago was put out the the UA-camr "Suga and Spice." That also has info that sometimes gets lost in the updates.
They not only gain legal permission for the samples they use and do not release them for sale but then they give credit to the original producer of the music.
Boracity Magazine channel is the BEST! Her videos about BTS are amazing. You should scroll through her videos. All her videos are about BTS and BTS only. She is a trusted ARMY resource. 💜
Btw, BTS have indeed a BTS Universe or Bangtan Universe or BU. It is interconnected story line in their MVs from I Need U and they are hinting of something that might come up related to it on the 10th anniv of their album The Most Besutiful Moment in Life (HYYH) next year.
idols are what we call kpop in the west, in Korea, the kpop industry is called the idol industry, which is separated with the other types of music in Korea (idol music came from the Japanese idol industry) the idol industry has a lot of history and culture so it is hard to give a distinct definition, you can say there are certain aesthetics(look), like makeup, hairstyles, maybe outfits, but there isn't a certain genre/sound of music. I would say it has more to do with the promotion style and the music companies/agencies - there are kpop music shows and there are non kpop music shows, they go on different shows depending if they are idols or not - artists in kpop usually start younger and usually starts as a group - there are artists that overlap kpop and non kpop industries, but it's rare (rock, hip hop, pop industries can have some intersections)
I knew all of this. I checked out all what BTS is from the start when I fell for them. Watched all their material for like 3-4 months and am ARMY since than. Now it is 9 years. My culture is so much different than their, so I needed to understand. What fan would I be if I did not understand why they do what they do. Or who they are.
8 minutes in and I will answer to first questions: I knew most of those things (minus some names of the people involved and some songs). The main storyline of how BTS started is well known. Idol is the name korean industry gives to celebrities in the kpop scene (group or solo act). People just call them Idols instead of popstars/celebrities/whatever 🤷🏻♀️
From what I understand (from talking with a couple of Koreans), the secular part of Christmas is more of a couples or dating holiday. A couple may exchange gifts, usually one and something simple. It is a holiday where people get off work. Friends may go out shopping or go to a restaurant. Family may get together, but it is not the big family holiday we think of here in North America, where extended family may travel distances to get together.
12:20 ammm.. the guy in the hat please also get glasses. Because you can clearly see the Soundcloud and UA-cam logo on the screen, which means the songs were just covers available for free on free platforms. Plus Bora clearly stated it was an unofficial cover to bring attention to the group
I didn't see that anyone answered your question about Christmas so here you go: In the US and Canada Christmas is a very family focused holiday where you spend it with your extended family most of the time. In Korea it is more of a couple and friend holiday. It is not a federal holiday that people would have off so usually they just go out for dinner after work or school.
Wait till you see the rise of bangtan series there are 21 episodes and it goes through the whole training process and debut part as well it truly is such an amazing series.
Yes, they kind of have a Thanksgiving celebration (Chuseok), they celebrate Halloween and of course Christmas. I think this 2 celebratiosn are recent (I think 2nd World War left an impact on Korean recent culture).
I started listening to BTS like 3 years ago, and I've spent SOO MUCH time learning things - and there's still so much I don't know, that I haven't heard/watched! 😂 Some say that you can still be surprised after 10 years... 😂
I didn’t watch this video bc I check comments first and I’m seeing a lot of people correct the sample usage stuff but yeah essentially they never put the songs on platforms that would make them money. The rappers first albums were mixtapes, meaning the entire point of the album was to take other people’s beats and rap over them with their own lyrics, they then released them on soundcloud. This is why we don’t have rm’s first mixtape on Spotify because they would have to clear a lot of copyright or buy them. RM was really the only one who adhered to the actual mixtape rule of using other artists beats to rap over, the rest of the rappers made their own or had producers help them that’s why were able to have yoongi’s and hobi’s first albums on Spotify. Sample use in other songs is legal if they bought the sample from the original artists (which BTS always does if they plan to promote or sell/put the songs on streaming platforms). I don’t quite know why they went straight to plagiarism in the video but… okay? 😂 clearly ya’ll have no idea how sampling works.
Christmas is celebrated differently in Korea. Its mostly a couple's holiday. New Years is more a family holiday which in U.S is like opposite. Christmas is like all about family and New years is about party party yeah
Haters were hating on JHope about his looks for the standard for idols. But the group brothers fought for him to comeback. Even Jimin was almost released from the group. The other music board members and the group themselves again fought him.
The hate on Hobi's looks was after debut around 2014 and had nothing to do with him wanting to leave. He left the group before debut because he wasn't sure they would debut and he thought about his future in the music industry and if he should go to a different label with more resources. He talks about it in their documentary BTS Monuments Beyond the Star.
They do celebrate Christmas in South Korea but a bit differently than in the West. Christmas originally was Christian celebration (born of Jesus, etc) which doesn't have the same meaning in the East where people mostly have different religion. Christmas for us is mostly about family and people coming together, in Korea Christmas is more like Valentine's Day in the West, it is a celebration of couples, not families.
We recommend this stuff but for every long time army who already knows all of this there are 100 newer ones who don’t know it and so they don’t know to recommend it. Sometimes it’s best to take recommendations based on what looks interesting not what’s the most popular recommendation?
Yes, Christmas is a big deal in S. Korea. Christianity and Buddhism are basically split as far as practiced religions, by my understanding...but also, Christmas is commercialized just like it is in the west. (Maybe not to the same extent? I honestly don't know, but I do know I see Christmas decorations and scenes a lot in BTS content and in K-dramas.)
Thanks! Boracity (purple city) prepared a lot of good videos. I don't know if somebody told you about a docuseries called Rise of Bangtan... it's a must!! I hope you watch all the episodes because they are very interesting. 😊
I didn't knw the details like the names of the prototype groups, but the rest, I knew. Jk begged jhope to come back and RM told bighit they would never make it without jhope
I KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BTS AS A NEW FAN YOU NEED TO FOLLOW BORA CITY WHICH IS WHO YOU NOW LISTENING TO I AM A FOLLOWER OF HER AS A NEW ARMY AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION EVEN IN THE WESTERN WORLD INSITE TO THINGS WE NEVER UNDERSTAND AND KNOW SO I KNEW ABOUT THIS THEIR IS A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN LEARN FROM BORA CITY. NO CAP.
Korean idol groups are a distinct sub group of Korean music others being things like rock, trot, etc. It is dominant in the music scene because of the proliferation of many singing/ performances competitions. There is not just one main one like say American idol. BTS gas significantly impacted on this blowing wide open what is means to be an idol group. The most important point of difference being idols were predominantly performers of others music. Whereas the founding members coming from a rap background and Suga already producing before joining BTS in Daegu where heavily involved in both writting and production. The company involved as quality control and giving experienced industry polish to their songs that made the cut.
The term Kpop refers to the group "idol" music industry trainee style with groups under their total control, not pop as in pop music genres!!!! Idol groups, before BTS, didn't write their own lyrics, were told who was going to be in the rap and vocal line, what each was going to sing and rap, how to sing and rap, and their image carefully created and crafted by the industry. Bang PD said, no to this way of starting his BigHit group and Bang gave total freedom to RM, Suga, and JHope to be true to themselves and write what they felt, what they wanted, no strings attached, as he wanted them to build a natural rapport with any fans!!! Which is why the rap lyrics, even in BTS songs, are raw and urban sounding!!! That's why BTS lyrics say, specifically Suga raps Kpop is too small for me, don't put me in Kpop box and you're lucky I'm an idol!!!! That's why in Idol, RM raps you can call me artist, you can call me idol, I'm proud of it!!!!! Both telling haters, give it up already, we're successful and we know it!!!!! RM and Suga were hired first, JHope was an award winning street dancer and had the hip-hop street dance presence Bang thought was needed!!!! RM and Suga helped him and guided him in his becoming the third rapper. Of course, they had rap vocal training staff, but JHope relied on RM and Suga more to blend their styles!!!! Watch the rap line subunit songs, Ddaeng, Ugh!, and Cypher pt 1-4!!!!! RM, Suga, and JHope were supposed to be a hip-hop rap group, not a hip-hop "idol" group!!!!! They became an "idol" group when the line up added the idea of a vocal line!!!! That's why the underground artists supposedly turned against RM and Suga for selling out to the industry! But, yeah, it was like 90% major jealousy as well. Men past their prime, aging out of the underground scene, with no record deal and patched together part time jobs, while a 19 year old RM and a 20 year old Suga already had their Skool trilogy albums partially completed and were touring!!!!! Sting!!!! It hurt a lot!!!!!! Thus, the haters gonna hate theme in BTS's diss songs!!!!! Their first trilogy Skool albums were heavy and very edgy with the hip-hop r&b influence!!!! Even their follow up album, Dark & Wild was edgier than their current discography!!!!! JHope's rap was by far better than Jin, Jimin, V, and JK; however, JK and V were better at vocally sustaining "rap" lyrics while Jin and Jimin struggled a bit!!! JK admired and emulated RM in rap style, while V admired Suga's rap style, color and flow and emulated him, even learning all his lines in every song and you can actually see him mouth Suga's lines in almost every early dance practice or live performance video!!!! That's why Suga wrote the infamous "rap" verse in Jump specifically for V!!!!! Early BTS songs, V always lowered his range and growled his lyrics to emulate a "rap" style - Boy in Luv, Dope, Danger, Baepsae, Fire are among V's tougher sound!!!!! He actually sounds like a cute rapper!!!!! 😍 😍 But BTS evolved with every album, expanding their actual musical genres!!!! Many Armys state BTS is NOT Kpop, but rather BTS is K-BTS!!!!!!!! They own their sound!!!!! Borahae 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
I knew very little about BTS before BTS we know today,knew it was all that process tho. About Jhope leaving at one point I knew, it is quite known as they talk about it in one video. But that was before BTS debuted, left and came back... So people didn't knew BTS without Jhope As for Idol= pop star, more or less, yes with certain image, esthetic..
I believe that around 30 percent of the Korean population is Christian. Christmas is a national holiday in Korea so most have the day off but not a traditional holiday like Seollal or Chuseok.
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They never sold any song that was not an official release the ones they sampled were for free on SoundCloud. I recommend the rise of bangtan series created by Army that starts from before they debut. It will also help explain how the music industry works in korea. It is 21 chapters. The best documentary on them since it uses BTS own vlogs and videos to tell their story. They have been around over a decade now, so it would be impossible to learn all in one documentary.
It's really well made and very addictive. It will give you a lot of information...
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13:50 They used legal samples for those songs. Meaning they obtain permission from the copyright holders.
I wouldn't say I like how this guy accuses BTS of stealing music samples. The way he comes across just annoys me. They just want to build their channel and for views.
@@pennyyoung3997 Yes, annoys.
@@alialex8825 He make it sounds like BTS stole all the samples without going thru the legal channel.
@@pennyyoung3997I don't think he was accusing them of anything, I think he was curious about it, given they're also musicians
@@MarinaEariel Especially they are musicians. They should know better. It just the way that guy came off just annoyed me.
The samples they used were not used in songs which they sold - they released them for free on Soundcloud. Any samples they used in sold songs were credited and paid for
For example, both RM ('RM') and SUGA's ('Agust D') first mixtapes used samples and were released for free on Soundcloud. 'Agust D' was added years later on Spotify because they got the rights for his samples. 'RM' is still not available though. Their song 'Born Singer' - which is an old adaptation from 'Born Sinner' - only got the rights recently and got released on 'Proof'. Hobi also paid graciously for the rights of 'Chicken Noodle Soup', credited the original artist and referenced them in the song. They have a lot of respect for what they use
K-pop groups tend to use samples or inspiration which they never pay for or credit at all but BTS always did. They never appropriate what they use and always pay respect to their inspirations
Brilliant explanation 💜
The unofficial songs were never realised on monetised platforms. They were the equivalent of a UA-camr doing a cover of a song, except they were writing their own lyrics for them.
Those early songs were on soundcloud. Never sold. Just released.
In Burn the Stage, BTS revealed that J-Hope left the group prior to debut. He came back he said because he believed in the other members. J Hope also received a lot of hate early on for his looks and talent, which is crazy because he is so talented and has always been a very nice looking guy.
Agradable y super guapo
so the unofficial predebut songs were all released on soundcloud which is free so there are no copyrights issues because if you post a song there, you can't gain money from it. later on some of those songs, for example born singer (which samples born sinner by J Cole) was given the green light to be released in streaming platforms in 2022
I'll answer some of your questions.
Yes, while falling down the BTS rabbit hole, we search and research everything about BTS.
Second, samples are used but never released/sold for profit. They were mostly released on SoundCloud. Major records are of course legally acquired for them to use. Gosh, even Disney allowed them to dub for Zootopia in Korean.
Third, J-Hope did leave but was convinced by the members to go back to the company. The tears JK spilt 😄 when J-Hope left...
13:33 In my understanding, thse songs were unofficial meaning they didn't earn anything. Its like someone releasing a song they covered on youtube and SoundCloud.
Jhope left for a moment cause he said he felt like he wouldn't fit in with the group,but came back because he trusts the guys and the company. BTS without 7 won't ever sound right💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Well, a hip hop group is typically more about artistic expression within the hip hop culture, while a hip hop idol group focuses more on entertainment, image, and mass appeal, often blending elements of pop, etc., and polished performances. However, we know that BTS has significant creative control over their music, lyrics, and themes. This sets them apart from other idol groups, where creative control is more limited or in some cases nonexistent. Um, you should also note that a hip hop group and a hip hop idol group differ primarily in the context, culture, and function of the groups. Basically in South Korea, the idol group structure is a system where members were recruited, trained, and debuted as idols. So the members undergo rigorous training in dancing, singing, and other performance skills.
As far as I know they have never released a Halloween song, what they have released are Halloween dance practices where they do their choreography in costumes. There are 3 Halloween dance practices and they are pure chaos. Gogo, 21st Century Girl, and War of Hormone. Even better than these Halloween dance practices are the fan made videos “What you might have missed in the Gogo/War of Hormone/20th Century Girl dance practices” which zooms in on funny things going on in the background and adds sound effects and hilarious captions. Another funny video like this is “What you might have missed in the Butter Remix” videos highly recommend all of these if you are having a bad day. They will instantly cheer you up.
Copyright laws were a lot more lax back then too. I remember cover/parody songs of popular songs all over UA-cam back in the earlier days of UA-cam. BTS were also very small back then in the global sense. Also if there was a problem with those big labels, then those videos would've been blocked/restricted by now, so there must've been some sort of clearance as they got bigger or it wasn't an issue to begin with.
It wasn't an issue, because they were never released as a mean to gain money. Every song with samples that was used as a mean to gain money was a cleared sample, meaning they paid for the copyright rights.
They didn't sell any songs. They are unofficial. They earned no money. Think of them as song covers like we see on UA-cam
So "idol" as pertains to KPop is a graduate of an idol training system, with debut serving as graduation. As opposed to independent or underground artists, idols go through extensive training in entertainment skills: it includes music, dance, acting, modelling, casting, anything you can think of, but also physical conditioning, media training, public speaking and foreign languages. The extent and quality of training varies across agencies. Idols also exist largely in a bootcamp situation, living in dorms and having tightly managed schedules and monthly exams/showcases to rate their progress in training. Kind of a mix of army bootcamp and teen athletes training.
In this aspect, like many others, BTS is unlike other KPop idols significantly. BigHit wasn't and idol agency, they didn't have a training program, they had to create one after signing RM, and they were making it up as they went along on a limited budget. BigHit was more of a production and recording studio, they didn't have their own developing artists before. So BTS idol training was veeeery loosey goosey compared to established agencies and heavily focused on music production and recording, and live performances, something the existing BigHit crew already were doing.
As for early BTS songs that sampled big western hits, they weren't "released" commercially. They were uploaded on soundcloud and other platforms for free, they're not monetised therefore don't need to be "licensed", they fall under fair use because BTS doesn't actually make money off of it. However some of them were later released on DSPs after obtaining license from labels, like "Born Singer" that sampled J. Cole's "Born Sinner".
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Just a little correction, BigHit had recording artists but they didn't have a training program, they had an arrangement with JYP for that. But I agree the production/songwriting part was the more important. I think BangPD was their biggest "asset" back then
@@MarinaEariel That's exactly what I said though, unless I failed to convey that information clearly. English isn't my first language so there's always room for error.
You should watch Rise of Bangtan series by Armys. It's a must if u want to know thier whole journey
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Boracity makes great video essays.. definitely opinionated but intelligent,well researched and super informative…
Others have mentioned rise of bangtan which goes a long way to explain the K-pop industry as well as BTS’ journey… and is beautifully edited by the creator Aneesa… it covers the history and development of K-pop which is very illuminating..
Korea is historically Neo Confucianist and Buddhist but there are about 14.5 million Christian’s and Christmas is celebrated but not focused on gift giving.. it is a national holiday…
The MCU reference you made is so fitting - BTS are the Avengers of the pop world :)
I believe they can remake songs without permission if they are unofficial and won't be sold or make any money. They were doing these songs to get their voices out there, not for financial purposes. I believe this to be true because of what I read about a later song that J-Hope remade several years later...Chicken Noodle Soup. He paid the artist 2.7 million dollars for the rights to the song. What I read was he did this because he thought it was the right thing to do for the creator and he was in a financial position to do so. The article said he didn't NEED to pay for the song because it was a free release as a gift to the fans on Soundcloud and he wouldn't be making any financial gain from it. Not only did he pay for the song, he also paid to have an MV made of the song and credited every backup dancer in the credits at the end.
Their agency would get permission if they were going to use it. These were like covers posted on SoundCloud with their own lyrics. Big Hit is always really good about being official about what they do. Also, if you really like this video, you should eventually check out more of Boracity Magazine's videos. She covers so much information and her channel is mostly focused on BTS. I look forward to more of you videos.
12:37 hello millions of covers exist on UA-cam also she said 6 MONTHS BEFORE DEBUT. They were NOBODIES
Most ARMY know j-hope left (and that the line up was all switched around before debut), but there is SO much backstory to them.
I mean....SO much. That's why the guides are helpful and why they have to keep updating with current stuff.
The original go-to Guide to BTS that was recommended like five or six years ago was put out the the UA-camr "Suga and Spice."
That also has info that sometimes gets lost in the updates.
They not only gain legal permission for the samples they use and do not release them for sale but then they give credit to the original producer of the music.
Idol = Artist
Boracity Magazine channel is the BEST! Her videos about BTS are amazing. You should scroll through her videos. All her videos are about BTS and BTS only. She is a trusted ARMY resource. 💜
The amount of BTS research and knowledge she has is amazing.
Thanks for letting us know. I’m Army but still learning
Thank you for your reaction please don't forget to credit boracity in the title she works hard
Btw, BTS have indeed a BTS Universe or Bangtan Universe or BU. It is interconnected story line in their MVs from I Need U and they are hinting of something that might come up related to it on the 10th anniv of their album The Most Besutiful Moment in Life (HYYH) next year.
idols are what we call kpop in the west, in Korea, the kpop industry is called the idol industry, which is separated with the other types of music in Korea (idol music came from the Japanese idol industry)
the idol industry has a lot of history and culture so it is hard to give a distinct definition, you can say there are certain aesthetics(look), like makeup, hairstyles, maybe outfits, but there isn't a certain genre/sound of music. I would say it has more to do with the promotion style and the music companies/agencies
- there are kpop music shows and there are non kpop music shows, they go on different shows depending if they are idols or not
- artists in kpop usually start younger and usually starts as a group
- there are artists that overlap kpop and non kpop industries, but it's rare (rock, hip hop, pop industries can have some intersections)
I knew all of this. I checked out all what BTS is from the start when I fell for them. Watched all their material for like 3-4 months and am ARMY since than. Now it is 9 years. My culture is so much different than their, so I needed to understand. What fan would I be if I did not understand why they do what they do. Or who they are.
ARMY knows Jhope left but RM and the team talked him into staying
It’s mentioned in several documentaries as well as one of their group dinners.
8 minutes in and I will answer to first questions: I knew most of those things (minus some names of the people involved and some songs). The main storyline of how BTS started is well known.
Idol is the name korean industry gives to celebrities in the kpop scene (group or solo act).
People just call them Idols instead of popstars/celebrities/whatever 🤷🏻♀️
MCU is very accurate in describing the BTS Universe that is their discography.
I knew some but i didn't know the names of the groups pre BTS. Enjoying this journey. Recommendation: Jhope at Lollapalooza 🙏🏾
From what I understand (from talking with a couple of Koreans), the secular part of Christmas is more of a couples or dating holiday. A couple may exchange gifts, usually one and something simple. It is a holiday where people get off work. Friends may go out shopping or go to a restaurant. Family may get together, but it is not the big family holiday we think of here in North America, where extended family may travel distances to get together.
A true Armys try to dig in and find every detail of bangtan 💜
Truth! The more we learn the more about them, the more we love them and want to learn more about them.
Not really. That's a very exclusive definition. You can be an Army if all you do is listen to the music. Armies range in age throughout a lifetime.
12:20 ammm.. the guy in the hat please also get glasses. Because you can clearly see the Soundcloud and UA-cam logo on the screen, which means the songs were just covers available for free on free platforms. Plus Bora clearly stated it was an unofficial cover to bring attention to the group
I have got the know all of this over the 5 first years of being a fan of bts in bits and pieces. I'm glad someone put it all together.
If you can't understand...you cna ask to all army...but don't guess or judge...first
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I didn't see that anyone answered your question about Christmas so here you go: In the US and Canada Christmas is a very family focused holiday where you spend it with your extended family most of the time. In Korea it is more of a couple and friend holiday. It is not a federal holiday that people would have off so usually they just go out for dinner after work or school.
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Wait till you see the rise of bangtan series there are 21 episodes and it goes through the whole training process and debut part as well it truly is such an amazing series.
Yes, they kind of have a Thanksgiving celebration (Chuseok), they celebrate Halloween and of course Christmas. I think this 2 celebratiosn are recent (I think 2nd World War left an impact on Korean recent culture).
I started listening to BTS like 3 years ago, and I've spent SOO MUCH time learning things - and there's still so much I don't know, that I haven't heard/watched! 😂
Some say that you can still be surprised after 10 years... 😂
Burn the Stage episode 3 has a scene when they talked about JHope leaving.
As far as I know, in South Korea Christmas is mostly a "couples" holiday (not a family or religious thing)
Yes they celebrate Christmas. Most of this stuff I knew but I still learned a few things.
I know everything about BTS
I’m an army for almost 10 years now
I even know the predebut stages etc
I didn’t watch this video bc I check comments first and I’m seeing a lot of people correct the sample usage stuff but yeah essentially they never put the songs on platforms that would make them money. The rappers first albums were mixtapes, meaning the entire point of the album was to take other people’s beats and rap over them with their own lyrics, they then released them on soundcloud. This is why we don’t have rm’s first mixtape on Spotify because they would have to clear a lot of copyright or buy them. RM was really the only one who adhered to the actual mixtape rule of using other artists beats to rap over, the rest of the rappers made their own or had producers help them that’s why were able to have yoongi’s and hobi’s first albums on Spotify.
Sample use in other songs is legal if they bought the sample from the original artists (which BTS always does if they plan to promote or sell/put the songs on streaming platforms).
I don’t quite know why they went straight to plagiarism in the video but… okay? 😂 clearly ya’ll have no idea how sampling works.
Fantastic video boys!!
Christmas is celebrated differently in Korea. Its mostly a couple's holiday. New Years is more a family holiday which in U.S is like opposite. Christmas is like all about family and New years is about party party yeah
So happy you are doing a deep dive... BTS forever 💜♾️💟💜✌️🇮🇪
I learn something new each time I see a documentary about BTS..so much info..
Haters were hating on JHope about his looks for the standard for idols. But the group brothers fought for him to comeback. Even Jimin was almost released from the group. The other music board members and the group themselves again fought him.
It breaks my heart to think that they were emotionally scarred by all of that.
The hate on Hobi's looks was after debut around 2014 and had nothing to do with him wanting to leave. He left the group before debut because he wasn't sure they would debut and he thought about his future in the music industry and if he should go to a different label with more resources. He talks about it in their documentary BTS Monuments Beyond the Star.
JHOPE siempre a sido un hombre guapísimo y talentoso. No se de donde sacaron algunas personas del público coreano qué era feo, como era posible...
If they had released songs for profit that would be a problem, but these were free covers and/or samples.
Boracity is awesome! She has very informative, well made and researched videos, she always has receipts not rumors!
Please react to "The rise of Bangtan", there are many chapters but I assure you it is worth it. Also ARMY loves this type of content
Hi im army fr.thePhilippines im happy that you are starting watching BTS and getting to know a lot about them welcome to BTS world 💜💜💜💜💜💜💜
Idol means like artist
I've known all this for years ever since they auditioned and pre debut days.
They do celebrate Christmas in South Korea but a bit differently than in the West. Christmas originally was Christian celebration (born of Jesus, etc) which doesn't have the same meaning in the East where people mostly have different religion. Christmas for us is mostly about family and people coming together, in Korea Christmas is more like Valentine's Day in the West, it is a celebration of couples, not families.
Yes they do Christmas Halloween 🎃 also
We recommend this stuff but for every long time army who already knows all of this there are 100 newer ones who don’t know it and so they don’t know to recommend it. Sometimes it’s best to take recommendations based on what looks interesting not what’s the most popular recommendation?
I knew since before debut, but was not army till 2015
O!RUL8,2? is easily in my top 3 favorite alumbs. banger after banger.
Yes, Christmas is a big deal in S. Korea. Christianity and Buddhism are basically split as far as practiced religions, by my understanding...but also, Christmas is commercialized just like it is in the west. (Maybe not to the same extent? I honestly don't know, but I do know I see Christmas decorations and scenes a lot in BTS content and in K-dramas.)
Thanks! Boracity (purple city) prepared a lot of good videos.
I don't know if somebody told you about a docuseries called Rise of Bangtan... it's a must!! I hope you watch all the episodes because they are very interesting. 😊
I didn't knw the details like the names of the prototype groups, but the rest, I knew. Jk begged jhope to come back and RM told bighit they would never make it without jhope
The samples are free!
I knew about half of the trainees that did stay at bh after dropping out of auditions to stay as producers/songwriters
I KNEW ABOUT IT BECAUSE IF YOU REALLY WANT TO KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT BTS AS A NEW FAN YOU NEED TO FOLLOW BORA CITY WHICH IS WHO YOU NOW LISTENING TO I AM A FOLLOWER OF HER AS A NEW ARMY AND SHE CAN GIVE YOU INFORMATION EVEN IN THE WESTERN WORLD INSITE TO THINGS WE NEVER UNDERSTAND AND KNOW SO I KNEW ABOUT THIS THEIR IS A LOT OF THINGS YOU CAN LEARN FROM BORA CITY. NO CAP.
Christianity is the #1 religion in SK, so many Koreans recognize and celebrate Christmas. I think it's also a national holiday.
They have done loads dressed up for them to!
If you are Army you have already done a deep dive. 🤣
Korean idol groups are a distinct sub group of Korean music others being things like rock, trot, etc. It is dominant in the music scene because of the proliferation of many singing/ performances competitions. There is not just one main one like say American idol. BTS gas significantly impacted on this blowing wide open what is means to be an idol group. The most important point of difference being idols were predominantly performers of others music. Whereas the founding members coming from a rap background and Suga already producing before joining BTS in Daegu where heavily involved in both writting and production. The company involved as quality control and giving experienced industry polish to their songs that made the cut.
The term Kpop refers to the group "idol" music industry trainee style with groups under their total control, not pop as in pop music genres!!!! Idol groups, before BTS, didn't write their own lyrics, were told who was going to be in the rap and vocal line, what each was going to sing and rap, how to sing and rap, and their image carefully created and crafted by the industry. Bang PD said, no to this way of starting his BigHit group and Bang gave total freedom to RM, Suga, and JHope to be true to themselves and write what they felt, what they wanted, no strings attached, as he wanted them to build a natural rapport with any fans!!! Which is why the rap lyrics, even in BTS songs, are raw and urban sounding!!! That's why BTS lyrics say, specifically Suga raps Kpop is too small for me, don't put me in Kpop box and you're lucky I'm an idol!!!! That's why in Idol, RM raps you can call me artist, you can call me idol, I'm proud of it!!!!! Both telling haters, give it up already, we're successful and we know it!!!!!
RM and Suga were hired first, JHope was an award winning street dancer and had the hip-hop street dance presence Bang thought was needed!!!! RM and Suga helped him and guided him in his becoming the third rapper. Of course, they had rap vocal training staff, but JHope relied on RM and Suga more to blend their styles!!!! Watch the rap line subunit songs, Ddaeng, Ugh!, and Cypher pt 1-4!!!!!
RM, Suga, and JHope were supposed to be a hip-hop rap group, not a hip-hop "idol" group!!!!! They became an "idol" group when the line up added the idea of a vocal line!!!! That's why the underground artists supposedly turned against RM and Suga for selling out to the industry! But, yeah, it was like 90% major jealousy as well. Men past their prime, aging out of the underground scene, with no record deal and patched together part time jobs, while a 19 year old RM and a 20 year old Suga already had their Skool trilogy albums partially completed and were touring!!!!! Sting!!!! It hurt a lot!!!!!! Thus, the haters gonna hate theme in BTS's diss songs!!!!!
Their first trilogy Skool albums were heavy and very edgy with the hip-hop r&b influence!!!! Even their follow up album, Dark & Wild was edgier than their current discography!!!!! JHope's rap was by far better than Jin, Jimin, V, and JK; however, JK and V were better at vocally sustaining "rap" lyrics while Jin and Jimin struggled a bit!!! JK admired and emulated RM in rap style, while V admired Suga's rap style, color and flow and emulated him, even learning all his lines in every song and you can actually see him mouth Suga's lines in almost every early dance practice or live performance video!!!! That's why Suga wrote the infamous "rap" verse in Jump specifically for V!!!!! Early BTS songs, V always lowered his range and growled his lyrics to emulate a "rap" style - Boy in Luv, Dope, Danger, Baepsae, Fire are among V's tougher sound!!!!! He actually sounds like a cute rapper!!!!! 😍 😍
But BTS evolved with every album, expanding their actual musical genres!!!! Many Armys state BTS is NOT Kpop, but rather BTS is K-BTS!!!!!!!! They own their sound!!!!!
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I knew very little about BTS before BTS we know today,knew it was all that process tho.
About Jhope leaving at one point I knew, it is quite known as they talk about it in one video. But that was before BTS debuted, left and came back... So people didn't knew BTS without Jhope
As for Idol= pop star, more or less, yes with certain image, esthetic..
I love this intro
I believe that around 30 percent of the Korean population is Christian. Christmas is a national holiday in Korea so most have the day off but not a traditional holiday like Seollal or Chuseok.
Great reaction ! 😊
8:00 .....I've been Army for 7 yrs and didn't know ALL that!
I didn’t know this predebut information
Christmas is big in Korea. Christanity is the second biggest religion after Buddhism.
They have Halloween themed dance practices
You guys from Calgary? Am currently watching this on tv😅
It's true, Jhope left but he came back because JK convinced him and RM convinced Big Hit to let Jhope come back.
The term used on the video was sample. She should have used the word "cover".
Up to the more boracity magzine vids
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please keep reacting to Boracity magazine, her videos are very informative 😉
They were covers not sold.
When is the drop for the part 3 of the guide reaction?
Coming pretty soon! We'll be recording it today :) - Alfey
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K Pop groups are called idols in Korea.
Jhope thought of leaving cuz of the bullies and antis
Ayyyy lets gooo
I know about the information but not all of it (not in details)
I prefer the guide you are following, it is more up to date, Taylor's is way behind.
95%
There are more Christians per capita in Korea than the US (don't know Canada statistics, sorry).