On one hand, this video is a fantastic and comprehensive resource on what is actually worth chasing in the current sandbox of the game, and it's appreciated how you considered ease of obtaining instead of just strict optimums. But on the other hand, it revealed to me just how much of a no-life I am, as I already had every weapon other than the gambit shotgun. You can see my dilemma.
To be honest you're not necessarily that much of a no life, since we've had a 6+ month season and most of these weapons are fairly easy to obtain :P Don't feel too bad about it, you're just... prepared!
Don't worry - I haven't played since Lightfall release and I managed to get god rolls on all but a couple weapons mentioned here. Even a cataphract (although not adept). I've only been back for 2 or 3 weeks, although I might just be lucky to have an active clan to do endgame stuff with. Into the light has been a great event for those hard-to-get rolls.
Yeah not bad but not enough room to mention that guy with how many good energy pulses we have (plus I think Heal Clip is much more important than Demo in the content I'm referencing)
That's unlucky man. I've only played a handful of times and got beacon and volt first time and god roll sickle and the exotic so done with the dungeon. Fun though
@@shaunmacready701 I’ve gotten more armor than weapons, I even got a vengeful whisper with explosive head and hatchling before. Just recently I got a lead + surrounded one
Took me a solid 20+ drops just to get voltshot. And my 3rd column perk is offhand strike. I still don't get the hype for indebted because all my rolls suck LOL. I've had a LOT of luck with onslaught, pantheon, and trials rolls, so at least they're making it up to me somewhere.
@@yacobe_ I guess all of my luck went to lost sector legendaries and onslaught, I have every heliocentric roll that’s good, every onslaught weapon I have the god roll for or the shiny, and yet I can’t get a single voltshot ;^;
Something to note for prismatic 1-2 punch builds (combination blow on hunter), you should run Swordbreaker over Wastelander for increased darkness transcendence energy as the melee will be light energy and the most common, so supplementing it with a darkness energy is better than a kinetic energy gun
How are you gonna do Combination Blow on Prismatic? You're not gonna have Lethal Current to refresh your dodge cooldown, so keeping up Combination Blow is gonna be harder.
@@roomba4520combination blow refreshes dodge cooldown. Lethal current makes your punch jolt after dodge and blind jolted targets, it has nothing to do with dodge cooldown
minor point but worth noting that lightweight shotguns are broken right now and don't provide the lightweight frame bonus to movement or +20 mobility. not a huge deal, but still annoying that you're getting less ammo and not even getting the frame perk
13:04 I’ve been watching your stuff for a while now and you ALWAYS call it “base-oh ostinato” and it kills me inside everytime. I’m a musician and it’s “bah-so” like a sheep saying baah. “Bah-so ostinato” since the origins of the word is Italian it’s not like saying “he plays the electric bass” that sounds like base, but bah-so.
One thing to keep in mind, the one for thrall perk is able to refresh its duration while one for all requires you to hit 3 enemies after its duration is over. This essentially means you have 100% uptime on one for thrall which is ABSURD. Genuinely gonna be my kinetic slot version of sunshot next season
You've been pumping the quality content the past few days and are detailed and diligent in your explanations. We appreciate your hard work! Looking forward to your final shape musings. Don't forget to have fun and enjoy it yourself, you've certainly earned it.
Just wanted to say that getting back into Destiny has been more fun with your content. The game began to get so stale after years of playing and although I’m never going to be speedrun, it’s fun learning how to be a true endgame player with your vids! Keep it up!
Holy moly. Thank you so much. I’m bout to come back to Destiny on Sunday when I get back home from work for my leave. And I’m almost 80% done with the checklist since I’m a vet player. All I have been missing is just the brave weapons. I knew you were gonna do a “TFS prep guide” and honestly this is sooooo much better than what other CCs made. Thanks a bunch dude. Good luck to you and everyone in the raid day one bro
We all may have some old favorites that we’ll use, but the reality is that we will mostly be using new weapons with new perks. There’s a reason Bungie has made it super easy to get most weapons the last couple months. They kept us grinding and engaged to get the “necessary” weapons. Unless players are going into the raid right at the beginning, the old weapons just don’t matter that much and people shouldn’t freak out over having or not having them.
Supercluster is quite good for a kinetic slot slug shotty. The thing that held it back was it being strand. Since kinetics no longer do more damage, Supercluster is pretty good for DPS. It doesn't have recombination, but it does have reconstruction/FTTC/Lead From Gold + Vorpal/Surrounded/Cascade Point which would make it better than Herritage if you're using it as more of a rotation/sustained damage option
I actually think the Still Hunt quest might be *required* before we can do the raid. We have to complete the "Wild Card" exotic quest to qualify (which sounds a bit Cayde-y) and Still Hunt's perk is called "Cayde's Retribution" which is obviously very Cayde-y.
Its definitely going to be an issue for the day 1 though if its not disabled. Basically an absolute requirement for day 1 and even if its released after someone beats it like lament, people can and will go do the quest so they can comeback and curb stomp any dps phase
What are you thoughts on a crafted the other half with enhanced surrounded as a falling guillotine substitute?, I was under the impression adaptives were better then vortex frames for damage.
@@TheAegisRelic the sword comparison question seems to be coming up a lot in the comments, any chance you could leave a pinned answer after testing? (Thanks for the video 🎉)
For the wave frame changes, it should also be mentioned to try and get volatile launch in the first column (+15 blast radius). And also that raid adepts can have their first two columns modified when enhancing the perks but not the masterwork.
I'm surprised to hear you reccomend Falling Guillotine for DPS. When you were ranking the brave weapons you mentioned that even with double damage perks, it wouldn't surpass a regular adaptive sword with whirlwind blade. So assuming that artifact mod does make us use void weapons, wouldn't The Other Half (relentless + whirlwind) be the play?
Won't always be Surrounded on Day 1 so Bequest isn't the best option, so and Falling Guillotine with light attacks only with perform decently well in those circumstances
I’ve been subbed a little longer but I’ve been watching a lot recently I think you content has really had a positive impact on my gameplay trying to come back to the game after a couple months always feels like a chore figuring out what’s been added or buffed/nerfed and it helps me figure out what I should prioritise (I get everything anyway but it’s nice to know where I should start) just in time to be day one ready
I'm pretty sure that it is safe to assume that the vex gold weapons will not be available as they were shown in the episode (season) pass and the episode is starting AFTER the day 1 raid is over. So don't count on any of those weapons for day 1 builds.
Question, is there any reason why you don't bring up "The Eremite" when talking about a tractor support dps role? You included Scatter and Royal executioner in that section I just wanted to know if it isn't as good anymore. Thank you.
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
My heal clip/incandescent Adept Summoner has been carrying me pretty hard lately, ember of benevolence + sol invictus (with Phoenix Cradle) is pretty crazy ability regen and the dps (vs minors) is pretty good even at -20 power deltas.
still hunt will probably come out before the raid, since the quest you need for the raid is called wild card , one thing there is no new linear type for next season they just changed the name of the burst gun
I just want to put it as a reminder here For lucky pants malfeasance, majority of us were worried abt the kinetic damage nerf but the more i think abt it the more i realize the truth of the situation, Heavy weapons directly lost 7%dmg due to removal of boss spec and kinetic primaries like wardens or malf lost 10%(boss only) making it a 10+7% dmg nerf for wardens and a 10%nerf for malf, but hcs are getting a 5 dmg buff to make up for the spec loss while heavies dont get that, which at the end makes it only a 12%nerf for wardens, 5% nerf for malf and a 7%nerf for heavies, this ends up making malfeasance, compared to heavies slightly better than now, considering malf on blighted has much higher dmg than wardens this just makes lucky pants + malf have a spot better than ever in the meta unless youre running double special for dmg(or still hunt is just gonna out do wardens and malf so there is no point to running lp)
Note while getting the new Ikelos SG is going to require the exotic mission or Xur, if your a long time returning player, the Y1 version can just be pulled from collections
Until it Return is a great shotgun. You did recco as an alternate to heritage. But great legendary 4th horseman replacement. Most of my loadouts usually steal from speedruns, but always nice to see what else is out there.
There was also a leaked Heavy Burst Arc Pulse Rifle in the season pass. So a legendary Revision Zero. Very excited to try that one out too. Still Hunt + Nighthawk + Cascade Edge is going to go crazy 😂 i do feel like with the Lament nerfs and sword artifact mods that there will be a sword dps encounter in the raid
and in typical bungie fashion the tracking on lament probably still isn't fixed, and it won't have it's nerfs walked back at all once the season/episode ends
Great vid. Enhanced controlled burst doesnt doing anything at the moment aside giving your gun icon a gold border. Just something that maybe should be mentioned the next time scatter signal or other CB guns pop up
The amount of onslaught I did to get a shiny Luna with heal/incandescent was disgusting. And I NEVER GOT IT. I must have gotten 25 shiny Luna, possibly more, and NEVER got it with those perks. Boy am I salty about it. On the flip side, I got shiny god rolls of basically everything else. 😂
Wouldn't Other Half with enhanced surrounded outperform Falling Guillotine? Its also a void option. I don't quite understand the Falling Guillotine recommendation looking at the numbers from your spreadsheets.
I think with my supremacy I'm gonna stick with rewind rounds and fourth times cause I just love the feeling off holding down the trigger constantly but if it needs to be done I will switch the bait
I was on the fence about getting the Necrochasm ornament because I want sure how good Necro would be, but your endorsement might’ve pushed me over the edge lol. Thanks for the great work man, I love the fact that I came across you
it's a REAL good add clear cannon, no good single target DPS perks though. you can pants with it for mechanics and then swap to Warden's for damage I guess?
Maybe im missing something(havent played in a while). But can you explain why u would use 5 whisper and 1 div? Is it just for reliable crits? I saw people use it on oryx and it didnt make sense to me(assuming div is 15% debuff)
yo dude, I was wondering why in the doc crux termination is higher than hothead. I've barely played in the past year so I don't really follow the meta. I've also dismantled a few of its godrolls so I'm kinda coping :/
Didn't bungie mention they would be removing the interaction of envious cascade double perk? Edge Transit still amazing so I don't think it matters to much
Why no Nation Of Beast, Eremite, Cataclysmic, Doomed Petitioner, Rufus’s Fury, Calus Mini-tool, or Ikelos SMG? Arguably best in slots for their archetypes BTW linear’s are also getting a buff
Linear buff is counteracted by the fact that the boss spec mod is being removed. He explained why he didn't include them, whisper does there job better. SMG's are being left in the dust by all the larger buffs to other primaries.
@@SquaredPasta I understand that but they’ll still be prevalent unless Sleeper gets a buff at the same time crafted whisper still doesn’t do the same damage optimally as Doomed Petitioner, Cataclysmic or Briar’s Contempt as is plus the buff will make up for not having boss spec. On the other hand Rufus’s Fury and Nation Of Beast are literally the best strand auto and arc hand cannon (one of these weapons drops from the same raid as Supremacy which he mentioned) I can understand SMG’s but at the same time Ikelos and Calus are still great options if you have them crafted
Nation of Beasts: Didn't make the cut, it's decent but the 140s I mentioned are strictly better in the current sandbox and Posterity has a slightly better damage profile with what I would say is a better set of perks The Eremite: From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame." Cataclysmic: Watch outro Doomed Petitioner: Same as Cataclysmic Rufus' Fury: Autos aren't as strong as pulses and I certainly don't think it's standout enough in that slot to be worth recommending in this kind of list CALUS Mini-Tool: SMGs are awful in TFS sandbox IKELOS_SMG_V1.0.3: Same as CALUS
Because kinetic weapons are getting their bonus damage taken away in TFS , will this effect golden gun aswell as I'm pretty sure this was once / still is coded as a kinetic weapon?
If you aren't lucky enough to get both, should you prioritize cascade or envious on edge transfer? Obviously you can get one of each but which one should you expect to use most.
Depends what your doing with it if your doing a damage rotation with other weapons I would say cascade if you just want to dump everything in one go envious
Bro forgot eremite exists and is a better archetype for DPS and ammo economy, as well as being easily obtainable from the season of the witch, people can grab their last few patterns each day.
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame." That being said, The Eremite is still usable when it comes to boss DPS, just not great for other neutral purposes
Just use whatever weapons drop for you during the campaign. Makes it more fun, stops you from using the stale,tired weapons you've used for a year or more.
Demo Tricorn/Hatchling + artifact perk that causes explosions on rapid/precision kills could help (yeah, you're unlikely to get precision kills on it, but still). Also access to Unraveling Rounds if your kit happens to include a way to get it, I suppose.
But the best melee's and grenades is Light damage so that is where most light progress comes from so where is the dark damage weapons? Might have overlooked that one and I know kinetic fills both at a REDUCED rate.
I miss the LFR meta. Current meta is to damn annoying because the average player doesnt know how to stand still while dealing damage. Nothing like missing a entire damage phase because a big headed titan made you kill yourself
Appreciate the list TY! I think that surges mattered a lot for things like pantheon so people should definitely save the best rolls of meta power weapon archetypes in all the energy types...I think that thunderlord belongs on the list - even if you find it distasteful. IMO the super energy refund must be broken because it is too crazy in certain activities. polaris lance and buried bloodline were also noticeably missing from your list. I am an agers scepter enjoyer and feel like that gun is underrated.
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
Does one shot from IKELOS sniper proc cascade? I'd rather just use that and also have it as a backup dps option than go get a new sniper just for cascade point purposes
11:00 I think its quite the opposite. Last wish needs a raid team while royal executioner is pretty easy to farm with season of defiance activities. More so if you keep in mind that you got the last month or so, every day a red border Weapon just for playing a seasonal activity. Dont forget apex predator is from last wish too and and people may need to decide between the 2 weapons. This is especially true if the players a pretty new or dont do raids at all (most of the ppl dont do raids.) 17:00 If i remember right Bungie allready adressed the double perk "abuse" and they will render it useless. so yeah no need to extrem farm for a double perk god roll. evious + bait and switch is all you need :)
Spoilers for the raid weapons: The raid sword sounds really fucking cool if nothing else. Proctor said in a recent interview that they were implementing a couple swords that were gonna shake up the meta and Im guesing he's talking about the new sword archetype. Which for those who don't know has a heavy attack that launches enemies up in the air then light attacking after that spawns a missile.
Nah man revision 2 burst and graviton are getting nerfed from 40% damage down to 30% all other 3 and 4 bursts are getting buffed(outbreak/bad juju included) but w vid none the less
That's all exotic primaries getting the 40%->30% nerf. The only special thing about the two-burst ones is they missed the flat damage buff to all combatants, but they're still getting the damage buff to all minors which is like 15% I think. So they're actually coming out ahead on that, just not as far ahead as Outbreak or legendaries.
@@life-destiny1196 Im taking the 38% buffed outbreak over the 5% graviton any day.Besides outbreak will have higher synergy with transcendence bar than graviton.
Hey Aegis! Love the content man. Have you looked into Ward of Dawn changes with the pellet shotgun changes and no back up plans? With no more armor of light, dropping Ward will now proc no back up plans with the void overshield (which still stacks with surges). Pellet shotguns, including Acrius, are also getting a 10% buff. With access to weaken grenades, youre looking at a 184% increase on Foundry with trench. I've got a build for it and I'm hoping it works well in TFS. Just a heads up!
I was really hoping the new stasis two burst hc could replace warden, but the perk rolls on it are much more ad clear oriented, so was a bit disappointed lol. Guess I’ll be glued to malfeasance
I know the whole point of Father's sins in a rotation is 1 shot cascade But, if I'm bringing Father's sins I'm going to shoot 3 at least Because while triple tap is nice and all I actually want psychohack uptime Granted have to play it by ear with encounter but I think it's worth noting
Psychohack isn't really strong enough to be worth stacking imo, you have stuff like Isolation/Solitude which is a lot stronger if you really want to decrease boss damage output
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
Literally the day after they announced the kinetic dmg changes I got a envious/fourthtimes + Firing line Irukandji Now I can just have the tremors supremacy.
With the quest that be have to complete to enter the raid being called "Wild card" i find it hard to believe the cayde themed exotic wouldnt be the one we will get from it tbh
Since you complained a little bit about Still Hunt: Marsillion-C is a Solar rapid-fire GL which can get EA + Cascade point and is likeley to pair extremely well with the Sniper if it turns out reproccing the GG shot takes a little bit too long
@@TheAegisRelicI still can’t believe it basically does the same damage as a celestial. You’d think it’d do like half of its damage or something but it’s straight up almost 1:1
Is the damage from retrofit escapade with the chunk of damage you said you wanted to recalculate or without it? Bc 100k DPS is much more than I expected. Also, I think a lot of people like me have some OG weapons like martyr's retribution (ALH+Demo/LfG) or kindled orchid (Ramp+KC) inside the vault, they have very good perks, and without the power cap on sunsetted weapons I think they would be a very good choice.
I think it's going a bit unnoticed, but as a honorable mention, Elsie's Rifle also has some potential for TFS. At least for the first Episode and if the new raid will have Anti-Barriers. With it being Anti-barrier Pulse Rifle and the 20% damage buff it can be a pretty strong Anti-barrier contender with it having Armor Piercing, Under-Over, and a damage perk like Frenzy with it also having the option of double perks you can get Repulsor Brace or Rewind Rounds for more general use. The Origin trait is neat I guess too. It's unfortunate that Frenzy is really it's best 4th column perk with nothing else that could be used in general uses.
Holy friggin moly is that the vog relic making a video
You and the Relic have been lost to time
Indeed it is
Kabr has really made himself busy ever since then, good for him.
@@Galaxy40kWho cares? It’s your hobby. Be happy lol people are in war rn
No Ballyhoo Mk.27 in the list? Unsub, dislike, report & You will hear from my lawyer soon
My ballyhoo will be in my lucky pants build, I have zorpal on it too
@@lady_legs1968lucky!!! Mine only has Rapid Shit since my zorpal one got FOMOed
How did I forget man
@@lady_legs1968zorpal is cracked bro everyone forgets it
Zorpal is my favorite perk 🥰
hello the aegis relic from the hit Destiny raid “vault of glass”
Hello Dawn from the hit Nintendo series "pokemon"
On one hand, this video is a fantastic and comprehensive resource on what is actually worth chasing in the current sandbox of the game, and it's appreciated how you considered ease of obtaining instead of just strict optimums. But on the other hand, it revealed to me just how much of a no-life I am, as I already had every weapon other than the gambit shotgun. You can see my dilemma.
To be honest you're not necessarily that much of a no life, since we've had a 6+ month season and most of these weapons are fairly easy to obtain :P
Don't feel too bad about it, you're just... prepared!
Don't worry - I haven't played since Lightfall release and I managed to get god rolls on all but a couple weapons mentioned here. Even a cataphract (although not adept). I've only been back for 2 or 3 weeks, although I might just be lucky to have an active clan to do endgame stuff with. Into the light has been a great event for those hard-to-get rolls.
"created a shopping list tab in the publicly available spreadsheet"
I subbed fast af
thanks for doing the lords work 👊
15:24 1 range goes crazy lol
LMAO I just noticed that
Honorable mention to BXR-55 Demo+Incandescent is good choice as well
Yeah not bad but not enough room to mention that guy with how many good energy pulses we have (plus I think Heal Clip is much more important than Demo in the content I'm referencing)
@@TheAegisRelicyeah but that’s why it’s here in the comment section as an honorable mention, love your vids btw!
I happen to have Jurassic Green Heal Clip/Incandescent in the vault and people made fun of me for saving it WHO'S LAUGHING NOW
@@life-destiny1196exactly… plus Jurassic green has field test…. Mines got arrow head, tactical, heal clip, incandescent and a rl mw
Can get 100 reload
every time a new weapon frame gets revealed glaives die just a bit more
good
Ever since the damn Warlords ruin dungeon came out, I haven’t been able to get a single voltshot roll of Indebted Kindness
That's unlucky man. I've only played a handful of times and got beacon and volt first time and god roll sickle and the exotic so done with the dungeon. Fun though
@@shaunmacready701 I’ve gotten more armor than weapons, I even got a vengeful whisper with explosive head and hatchling before. Just recently I got a lead + surrounded one
Took me a solid 20+ drops just to get voltshot. And my 3rd column perk is offhand strike. I still don't get the hype for indebted because all my rolls suck LOL. I've had a LOT of luck with onslaught, pantheon, and trials rolls, so at least they're making it up to me somewhere.
@@yacobe_ I guess all of my luck went to lost sector legendaries and onslaught, I have every heliocentric roll that’s good, every onslaught weapon I have the god roll for or the shiny, and yet I can’t get a single voltshot ;^;
@@misfit1422 maybe all that effort will land us a god roll of the strand one early on 🙏
Something to note for prismatic 1-2 punch builds (combination blow on hunter), you should run Swordbreaker over Wastelander for increased darkness transcendence energy as the melee will be light energy and the most common, so supplementing it with a darkness energy is better than a kinetic energy gun
Good point!
How are you gonna do Combination Blow on Prismatic? You're not gonna have Lethal Current to refresh your dodge cooldown, so keeping up Combination Blow is gonna be harder.
@@roomba4520combination blow refreshes dodge cooldown. Lethal current makes your punch jolt after dodge and blind jolted targets, it has nothing to do with dodge cooldown
@@thatguyyouhate3743 well, I seem to have been wrong then. Thanks for correcting me
minor point but worth noting that lightweight shotguns are broken right now and don't provide the lightweight frame bonus to movement or +20 mobility. not a huge deal, but still annoying that you're getting less ammo and not even getting the frame perk
13:04 I’ve been watching your stuff for a while now and you ALWAYS call it “base-oh ostinato” and it kills me inside everytime. I’m a musician and it’s “bah-so” like a sheep saying baah. “Bah-so ostinato” since the origins of the word is Italian it’s not like saying “he plays the electric bass” that sounds like base, but bah-so.
Thanks! Will keep that in mind haha I'm glad you pointed it out
So does that make this comment "based" or "bahh-sed?"
_(I'll see myself out)_
@@RTB1400 bahsed. as in bahston.
One thing to keep in mind, the one for thrall perk is able to refresh its duration while one for all requires you to hit 3 enemies after its duration is over. This essentially means you have 100% uptime on one for thrall which is ABSURD. Genuinely gonna be my kinetic slot version of sunshot next season
big if true, do you know where this was mentioned?
@@life-destiny1196 mentioned nowhere. Content creators that got early access tested it out such as Maven
Reminder that Song of Flame makes Kinetic weapons apply scorch on hits. Outbreak might become an ignition monster.
Does that apply just to the warlock, or to team mates as well?
@@VanpyroGaming0 Buffs nearby teammates too
@@elgermin519 0_0 Dragon's Breath + Ember of Ashes + Ember of Eruption + Bait and Switch Supremacy = deeps
depending on how quickly different archetypes apply stacks, Necrochasm gonna be very happy while that super's up too
Aegis cured my depression again (Adept)
Depression (Harrowed)
(Time well spent)
You've been pumping the quality content the past few days and are detailed and diligent in your explanations. We appreciate your hard work! Looking forward to your final shape musings. Don't forget to have fun and enjoy it yourself, you've certainly earned it.
Thank you!
Just wanted to say that getting back into Destiny has been more fun with your content. The game began to get so stale after years of playing and although I’m never going to be speedrun, it’s fun learning how to be a true endgame player with your vids! Keep it up!
Holy moly. Thank you so much. I’m bout to come back to Destiny on Sunday when I get back home from work for my leave. And I’m almost 80% done with the checklist since I’m a vet player. All I have been missing is just the brave weapons. I knew you were gonna do a “TFS prep guide” and honestly this is sooooo much better than what other CCs made. Thanks a bunch dude. Good luck to you and everyone in the raid day one bro
We all may have some old favorites that we’ll use, but the reality is that we will mostly be using new weapons with new perks. There’s a reason Bungie has made it super easy to get most weapons the last couple months. They kept us grinding and engaged to get the “necessary” weapons. Unless players are going into the raid right at the beginning, the old weapons just don’t matter that much and people shouldn’t freak out over having or not having them.
Supercluster is quite good for a kinetic slot slug shotty. The thing that held it back was it being strand. Since kinetics no longer do more damage, Supercluster is pretty good for DPS. It doesn't have recombination, but it does have reconstruction/FTTC/Lead From Gold + Vorpal/Surrounded/Cascade Point which would make it better than Herritage if you're using it as more of a rotation/sustained damage option
Yeah the only bad thing is that it's a slug and slugs aren't super great atm but besides that it's pretty good
I actually think the Still Hunt quest might be *required* before we can do the raid. We have to complete the "Wild Card" exotic quest to qualify (which sounds a bit Cayde-y) and Still Hunt's perk is called "Cayde's Retribution" which is obviously very Cayde-y.
Its definitely going to be an issue for the day 1 though if its not disabled. Basically an absolute requirement for day 1 and even if its released after someone beats it like lament, people can and will go do the quest so they can comeback and curb stomp any dps phase
Weird compliment it, I appreciate you enunciate every weapon name well. Subbed.
What are you thoughts on a crafted the other half with enhanced surrounded as a falling guillotine substitute?, I was under the impression adaptives were better then vortex frames for damage.
I will compare them soonish
@@TheAegisRelic the sword comparison question seems to be coming up a lot in the comments, any chance you could leave a pinned answer after testing? (Thanks for the video 🎉)
I will make a video or short about it :)
@@TheAegisRelic appreciated 👍
For the wave frame changes, it should also be mentioned to try and get volatile launch in the first column (+15 blast radius). And also that raid adepts can have their first two columns modified when enhancing the perks but not the masterwork.
Yeah I didn't mention it on Adept Forb since you can change barrel :P
I'm surprised to hear you reccomend Falling Guillotine for DPS. When you were ranking the brave weapons you mentioned that even with double damage perks, it wouldn't surpass a regular adaptive sword with whirlwind blade. So assuming that artifact mod does make us use void weapons, wouldn't The Other Half (relentless + whirlwind) be the play?
This thought didn't even cross my mind when watching but now I'm curious too haha
Won't always be Surrounded on Day 1 so Bequest isn't the best option, so and Falling Guillotine with light attacks only with perform decently well in those circumstances
I’ve been subbed a little longer but I’ve been watching a lot recently I think you content has really had a positive impact on my gameplay trying to come back to the game after a couple months always feels like a chore figuring out what’s been added or buffed/nerfed and it helps me figure out what I should prioritise (I get everything anyway but it’s nice to know where I should start) just in time to be day one ready
Glad to hear it!
I'm pretty sure that it is safe to assume that the vex gold weapons will not be available as they were shown in the episode (season) pass and the episode is starting AFTER the day 1 raid is over. So don't count on any of those weapons for day 1 builds.
Question, is there any reason why you don't bring up "The Eremite" when talking about a tractor support dps role? You included Scatter and Royal executioner in that section I just wanted to know if it isn't as good anymore. Thank you.
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
My heal clip/incandescent Adept Summoner has been carrying me pretty hard lately, ember of benevolence + sol invictus (with Phoenix Cradle) is pretty crazy ability regen and the dps (vs minors) is pretty good even at -20 power deltas.
still hunt will probably come out before the raid, since the quest you need for the raid is called wild card , one thing there is no new linear type for next season they just changed the name of the burst gun
i saw you working on those sheets :D
thanks for the hard work!
I’m for sure taking heartshadow into the day one, with all the sword and weaken artifact mods I think it’ll be a sleeper pick.
If you still have one, the curated Ringing Nail is still top tier, and with all weapons being unsunset, having dragonfly on an auto is gonna be great.
I just want to put it as a reminder here
For lucky pants malfeasance, majority of us were worried abt the kinetic damage nerf but the more i think abt it the more i realize the truth of the situation,
Heavy weapons directly lost 7%dmg due to removal of boss spec and kinetic primaries like wardens or malf lost 10%(boss only) making it a 10+7% dmg nerf for wardens and a 10%nerf for malf, but hcs are getting a 5 dmg buff to make up for the spec loss while heavies dont get that, which at the end makes it only a 12%nerf for wardens, 5% nerf for malf and a 7%nerf for heavies, this ends up making malfeasance, compared to heavies slightly better than now, considering malf on blighted has much higher dmg than wardens this just makes lucky pants + malf have a spot better than ever in the meta unless youre running double special for dmg(or still hunt is just gonna out do wardens and malf so there is no point to running lp)
As soon as i putted this out i noticed the 5% dmg buff to hcs is red bars only so sad yeehaw
Note while getting the new Ikelos SG is going to require the exotic mission or Xur, if your a long time returning player, the Y1 version can just be pulled from collections
Until it Return is a great shotgun. You did recco as an alternate to heritage. But great legendary 4th horseman replacement. Most of my loadouts usually steal from speedruns, but always nice to see what else is out there.
There was also a leaked Heavy Burst Arc Pulse Rifle in the season pass. So a legendary Revision Zero. Very excited to try that one out too. Still Hunt + Nighthawk + Cascade Edge is going to go crazy 😂 i do feel like with the Lament nerfs and sword artifact mods that there will be a sword dps encounter in the raid
You should preface this with spoiler alert for the people who care
and in typical bungie fashion the tracking on lament probably still isn't fixed, and it won't have it's nerfs walked back at all once the season/episode ends
Not a spoiler. Was broadcasted by Bungie themselves.
Adhortative mentioned 🗣️🗣️🗣️ one of my favorite pulses ever
Great vid. Enhanced controlled burst doesnt doing anything at the moment aside giving your gun icon a gold border. Just something that maybe should be mentioned the next time scatter signal or other CB guns pop up
Crazy how much smgs have been surpassed
Good it's boring using the same dam thing for years on end.
Yeah they are truly in the dirt atm
sucks cause my favorite weapons are subs
19:40 Doesn't Goldtusk outpace falling due to ammo constraints of vortex's? Of course the main variable being dmg phase length?
Yeah but Goldtusk takes like 45s+ to dump all of its ammo so yes its total damage is good but its DPS is quite low
The amount of onslaught I did to get a shiny Luna with heal/incandescent was disgusting. And I NEVER GOT IT. I must have gotten 25 shiny Luna, possibly more, and NEVER got it with those perks. Boy am I salty about it. On the flip side, I got shiny god rolls of basically everything else. 😂
Wouldn't Other Half with enhanced surrounded outperform Falling Guillotine? Its also a void option. I don't quite understand the Falling Guillotine recommendation looking at the numbers from your spreadsheets.
I do not think so atm but I'll check
Sleeping on hullabaloo for add clear smh
Adhortative is such a great pulse. Much respect, Sir.
I think with my supremacy I'm gonna stick with rewind rounds and fourth times cause I just love the feeling off holding down the trigger constantly but if it needs to be done I will switch the bait
I was on the fence about getting the Necrochasm ornament because I want sure how good Necro would be, but your endorsement might’ve pushed me over the edge lol. Thanks for the great work man, I love the fact that I came across you
Glad you're enjoying the content!
Collective obligation with the pulse rifle buff is gonna go hard on void builds
I really appreciate this coming out with a few days left to still farm 🙏
Do you think the stasis burst fire hc will be a good alternative to wardens?
Only has Tricorn really so I don't think so
it's a REAL good add clear cannon, no good single target DPS perks though. you can pants with it for mechanics and then swap to Warden's for damage I guess?
This guy is becomeing my fav destiny youtuber. (Please don't be secretly racist)
Maybe im missing something(havent played in a while). But can you explain why u would use 5 whisper and 1 div? Is it just for reliable crits? I saw people use it on oryx and it didnt make sense to me(assuming div is 15% debuff)
Yeah
yo dude, I was wondering why in the doc crux termination is higher than hothead. I've barely played in the past year so I don't really follow the meta. I've also dismantled a few of its godrolls so I'm kinda coping :/
It has more reserves and generally better perks
The unsunset void Trophy Hunter aggressive sniper with Vorpal is great for Edge Transit
You are the best D2 YTer rn man. This content is *chefs kiss*
Whats your oppinion about burried bloodline?
Good neutral option, just not as accessible
Didn't bungie mention they would be removing the interaction of envious cascade double perk? Edge Transit still amazing so I don't think it matters to much
Yeah...
Why no Nation Of Beast, Eremite, Cataclysmic, Doomed Petitioner, Rufus’s Fury, Calus Mini-tool, or Ikelos SMG? Arguably best in slots for their archetypes
BTW linear’s are also getting a buff
Linear buff is counteracted by the fact that the boss spec mod is being removed. He explained why he didn't include them, whisper does there job better. SMG's are being left in the dust by all the larger buffs to other primaries.
@@SquaredPasta I understand that but they’ll still be prevalent unless Sleeper gets a buff at the same time crafted whisper still doesn’t do the same damage optimally as Doomed Petitioner, Cataclysmic or Briar’s Contempt as is plus the buff will make up for not having boss spec.
On the other hand Rufus’s Fury and Nation Of Beast are literally the best strand auto and arc hand cannon
(one of these weapons drops from the same raid as Supremacy which he mentioned)
I can understand SMG’s but at the same time Ikelos and Calus are still great options if you have them crafted
Nation of Beasts: Didn't make the cut, it's decent but the 140s I mentioned are strictly better in the current sandbox and Posterity has a slightly better damage profile with what I would say is a better set of perks
The Eremite: From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
Cataclysmic: Watch outro
Doomed Petitioner: Same as Cataclysmic
Rufus' Fury: Autos aren't as strong as pulses and I certainly don't think it's standout enough in that slot to be worth recommending in this kind of list
CALUS Mini-Tool: SMGs are awful in TFS sandbox
IKELOS_SMG_V1.0.3: Same as CALUS
Because kinetic weapons are getting their bonus damage taken away in TFS , will this effect golden gun aswell as I'm pretty sure this was once / still is coded as a kinetic weapon?
It's a maybe atm
Holy adhortative is finally getting recognition
The vex themed weapons are episode weapons i think, so they might not be available until a week after launch
If you aren't lucky enough to get both, should you prioritize cascade or envious on edge transfer? Obviously you can get one of each but which one should you expect to use most.
Depends what your doing with it if your doing a damage rotation with other weapons I would say cascade if you just want to dump everything in one go envious
Envious overall
Bro forgot eremite exists and is a better archetype for DPS and ammo economy, as well as being easily obtainable from the season of the witch, people can grab their last few patterns each day.
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
That being said, The Eremite is still usable when it comes to boss DPS, just not great for other neutral purposes
Just use whatever weapons drop for you during the campaign. Makes it more fun, stops you from using the stale,tired weapons you've used for a year or more.
This is mostly for day 1 :)
i need supremacy (& more red border apexs) but never did last wish yet 💔
Could you make a build viability video regarding the final shape raid? Like what builds you guys are thinking of taking into the raid etc
Yep yep yep coming soon
@@TheAegisRelic sweet thanks
No doomed petitioner on the list?! Y’all are sleeping on enhanced precision instrument (same % buff as bait and switch)
Watch outro
This strand rocket sidearm won't really be that amazing besides chunking majors. The perks are bad for ad clear.
Demo Tricorn/Hatchling + artifact perk that causes explosions on rapid/precision kills could help (yeah, you're unlikely to get precision kills on it, but still). Also access to Unraveling Rounds if your kit happens to include a way to get it, I suppose.
''whisper is good, especially with div'' ''linears suck especially if you miss a crit, div can go down and you can miss a crit'' XD
They're both punishing but my point is at least Whisper has a better damage profile :P
13:28 Arent Ritual weapons becoming enhancable? Twab 5/16/2024
That's good for Dead Weight if it is
I believe it's currently-dropping ones as of TFS launch. So I think so? But not old stuff like Bottom Dollar
But the best melee's and grenades is Light damage so that is where most light progress comes from so where is the dark damage weapons? Might have overlooked that one and I know kinetic fills both at a REDUCED rate.
I miss the LFR meta. Current meta is to damn annoying because the average player doesnt know how to stand still while dealing damage. Nothing like missing a entire damage phase because a big headed titan made you kill yourself
Pro tip for some reason bungie is droppin hints that Truth is apprently going to be a good pick for the raid for some reason
void rocket + reserves buffed twice + damage buffed to match normal rockets. I can see it.
Is indomnability origin trait completely useless on prismatic?
Appreciate the list TY! I think that surges mattered a lot for things like pantheon so people should definitely save the best rolls of meta power weapon archetypes in all the energy types...I think that thunderlord belongs on the list - even if you find it distasteful. IMO the super energy refund must be broken because it is too crazy in certain activities. polaris lance and buried bloodline were also noticeably missing from your list. I am an agers scepter enjoyer and feel like that gun is underrated.
What about Eremite, the fusion from the Witch season?
It has envious+controlled
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
Does one shot from IKELOS sniper proc cascade? I'd rather just use that and also have it as a backup dps option than go get a new sniper just for cascade point purposes
Nah need 2
@@TheAegisRelic Rough, guess I'm heading to the throne world then
Explosive payload is a must have considering overload handcannons are significantly more effective with it
Yeah good shout
Is warden’s law gonna be nerf ?to say this at 21:21 as a result of the changes
Yeah
I'm surprised how people sleep on the Rewind/FTTC Supremacy roll.
No damage perk means double total but not very good DPS
Edging my Transit til I Cascade Point
Baiting my Switch till I Apex
She Eager on my Edge till I Skate
11:00
I think its quite the opposite. Last wish needs a raid team while royal executioner is pretty easy to farm with season of defiance activities. More so if you keep in mind that you got the last month or so, every day a red border Weapon just for playing a seasonal activity.
Dont forget apex predator is from last wish too and and people may need to decide between the 2 weapons. This is especially true if the players a pretty new or dont do raids at all (most of the ppl dont do raids.)
17:00 If i remember right Bungie allready adressed the double perk "abuse" and they will render it useless. so yeah no need to extrem farm for a double perk god roll. evious + bait and switch is all you need :)
Royal is great too so if that's easier to farm then that's a fine recommendation too
Yeah I'll be a bit sad about my Hammerhead :(
@@TheAegisRelic im happy that i didnt had such a godroll weapon. it would destroy every work :C
Royal Executioner is also not going to be available any more in a few days here, so it's fair.
Spoilers for the raid weapons:
The raid sword sounds really fucking cool if nothing else. Proctor said in a recent interview that they were implementing a couple swords that were gonna shake up the meta and Im guesing he's talking about the new sword archetype. Which for those who don't know has a heavy attack that launches enemies up in the air then light attacking after that spawns a missile.
Nah man revision 2 burst and graviton are getting nerfed from 40% damage down to 30% all other 3 and 4 bursts are getting buffed(outbreak/bad juju included) but w vid none the less
Check Mossy's graph, they still dominate
That's all exotic primaries getting the 40%->30% nerf. The only special thing about the two-burst ones is they missed the flat damage buff to all combatants, but they're still getting the damage buff to all minors which is like 15% I think. So they're actually coming out ahead on that, just not as far ahead as Outbreak or legendaries.
@@life-destiny1196 Im taking the 38% buffed outbreak over the 5% graviton any day.Besides outbreak will have higher synergy with transcendence bar than graviton.
The MOMENT I tab out to click this video the Cascade/Env BnS Edge Transit drops into my inventory, I shit you not
Hey Aegis! Love the content man. Have you looked into Ward of Dawn changes with the pellet shotgun changes and no back up plans? With no more armor of light, dropping Ward will now proc no back up plans with the void overshield (which still stacks with surges). Pellet shotguns, including Acrius, are also getting a 10% buff. With access to weaken grenades, youre looking at a 184% increase on Foundry with trench. I've got a build for it and I'm hoping it works well in TFS. Just a heads up!
No Backup Plans already got proc'd by Ward of Dawn iirc
I was really hoping the new stasis two burst hc could replace warden, but the perk rolls on it are much more ad clear oriented, so was a bit disappointed lol. Guess I’ll be glued to malfeasance
Unless they fixed it techian force still gets very low ammo reserves compared to others in its architype, probably better to just go cartesian.
Unwavering duty isn’t Tier 1? Confirmed Aegis fell off.
True
I know the whole point of Father's sins in a rotation is 1 shot cascade
But, if I'm bringing Father's sins I'm going to shoot 3 at least
Because while triple tap is nice and all I actually want psychohack uptime
Granted have to play it by ear with encounter but I think it's worth noting
Psychohack isn't really strong enough to be worth stacking imo, you have stuff like Isolation/Solitude which is a lot stronger if you really want to decrease boss damage output
Why is bequest stronger than falling guillotine if you’re surrounded?
Adaptive frame + higher impact
Hey shield guy, eremite or techeun force? I’m not sure which is better
Techeun, if you need to surge match Apex or something, Cartesian/Royal/Axial
Wouldn't other half be better than guillotine because of enhancedd surronded?
Guillotine is getting enhanced next season
No mention of Eramite?
From another comment: "I've talked about this in some previous tier list updates but basically high impact fusions have good total damage (but not enough to make them outshine actually good total damage weapons like FTTC snipers) and have decent DPS (but not enough to make them better than good rapids), so The Eremite kind of struggles to find a place to live. If you value total damage you should use another weapon type, if you value consistency but decent DPS then you should use a rapid/adaptive/etc., and if you want the ability to deal with majors you certainly shouldn't use a high-impact frame."
@@TheAegisRelic didnt think about that. Makes sense
Literally the day after they announced the kinetic dmg changes I got a envious/fourthtimes + Firing line Irukandji
Now I can just have the tremors supremacy.
With the quest that be have to complete to enter the raid being called "Wild card" i find it hard to believe the cayde themed exotic wouldnt be the one we will get from it tbh
Since you complained a little bit about Still Hunt: Marsillion-C is a Solar rapid-fire GL which can get EA + Cascade point and is likeley to pair extremely well with the Sniper if it turns out reproccing the GG shot takes a little bit too long
Oh no it wasn't complaining that thing is OP as hell
@@TheAegisRelicI still can’t believe it basically does the same damage as a celestial. You’d think it’d do like half of its damage or something but it’s straight up almost 1:1
@@TheAegisRelic and they gave Prismatic Marksman Goldie for the solar super too lolol
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t backup mag tank your total reserves?
Also wouldn’t Levi’s breath be worth considering due to the void buff?
Doesn't tank, it's like -1 usually
Depends on artifact mod strength
Is the damage from retrofit escapade with the chunk of damage you said you wanted to recalculate or without it? Bc 100k DPS is much more than I expected. Also, I think a lot of people like me have some OG weapons like martyr's retribution (ALH+Demo/LfG) or kindled orchid (Ramp+KC) inside the vault, they have very good perks, and without the power cap on sunsetted weapons I think they would be a very good choice.
Calculated with it
Look I love my grandparents but I am kinda annoyed that while I am visiting them in Europe I am missing the day 1 and the beginning of the final shape
I think it's going a bit unnoticed, but as a honorable mention, Elsie's Rifle also has some potential for TFS. At least for the first Episode and if the new raid will have Anti-Barriers. With it being Anti-barrier Pulse Rifle and the 20% damage buff it can be a pretty strong Anti-barrier contender with it having Armor Piercing, Under-Over, and a damage perk like Frenzy with it also having the option of double perks you can get Repulsor Brace or Rewind Rounds for more general use. The Origin trait is neat I guess too. It's unfortunate that Frenzy is really it's best 4th column perk with nothing else that could be used in general uses.
It was mentioned I believe, it's good for void builds! :)