It seems like the torque converter just keeps slipping and the jeep doesn't move at all. Hard use causes the trans to overheat, so it's a good idea to add an transmission oil cooler to keep those temps down and the viscosity of the fluid high. Getting some mechanical advantage would be fantastic too, but I don't think smaller tires would do the trick, given the off road capabilities larger tires provide. Is there any lower gearing avaible for it? Of course you can aways bump up engine power but that sounds more costly. Another idea would be to get a high stall torque converter, to allow the engine to rev up to its peak torque rpm to get the vehicle moving. Great vid and great rig!
I wish I could have someone flash the computer so we can let the engine have all the power and not kill it when tryin to climb over things lol. I have already installed a trans cooler, I have a video on my channel about it. I just have not tested it. I am not aware of any lower gear ratio for this type of Jeep.
@@nazgul_renegade are you absolutely positive the computer is not allowing the wheels to move *at all* ? Cause it seems it just doesn't have enough torque, but I might me wrong. As for turning off the engine cutting, I have a 2008 3 door Pajero, which wasn't sold in the US, but it does have a pretty agressive traction control. While the electronic brake force distribution does help a lot since the car has open diffs, sometimes it cuts the power right when you need it the most. Anyway, what I did is I installed a switch that completely shuts off the Traction Control, Stability Control and ABS unit. A lot of vehicles (like mine) have a single fuse for all of that, so removing it would do the trick too. Maybe your jeep has something like it, try looking for an ABS fuse and see if the car will drive without it
@@TranqueiraCars The computer kills the power to protect the transmission from blowing out, so it does not release all power to make those wheels turn. It starts overheating fast when you are in situations like me in that video. I have to sit and let it cool off some times. Hopefully the trans cooler helps. Also, My jeep is running tires that are twice as heavy, plus all the extra weigh I had on that trip and the altitude. I'm sure all that didn't help either.
@@nazgul_renegade I see. Welp, that's unfortunate. I'm guessing that's mostly because of the lack of a low range, the gearing it just too high and the torque converter has to slip all the time. Hopefully the trans cooler helps but it's probably helpless without a fan since the a speed is so low. I'm sure there is a way of tricking the car into allowing the engine to release all the power. A good starting point is figuring out what makes it think the power should be cut, then look for these sensors and try to change their output
@@TranqueiraCars The trans cooler has a fan on it, hopefully it helps. Unfortunately there is no much out there about flashing the computer at this moment.
That’s some kind of magic how different renegade can be and look. Now I have my basic renegade 2.4 fwd,but it has bigger wheels , all chrome parts tinted in black, it’s dark gray btw and it looks amazing,thinking to put on some spacers,it would look even more wild.but I see so many ugly renegades around 😮💨 it’s just grandama’s car. So weird for me how these things can change the look after the same car. This one looks amazing,wilder then mine but my is just good though
Do RENEGADE owner's Wish for a wrangler? Because i had a wrangler and like this Renegade trailhawk that i traded for much better .just a better feeling ride . My Rubicon was heavy of course and too rough
I love my Rene, the only thing that makes me sad and makes it harder to do some things is the lack of low end torque for some climbs, and the fact that the trans will shut power off to the wheels when they start spinning even if I want them to spin to try and get something done.
Might be slightly better to manually shift to first you could try brake boosting too. Also, I think the Trailhawk is slightly lower geared by having a better final drive. One other thing that you can do that I don't think anybody is doing is actually to go with a wider but smaller tire. Bigger tires actually hurt your overall wheel torque and overall ratio. You'd be better off actually going down one size and getting a wider tire. So go up on series and down on profile, make it to where the wheel diameter is maybe an inch or half an inch smaller... Then do like a three or four inch lift... Then air down off road. I actually think that's your best bet because a smaller tire would be the same as improving your gearing a little bit. Also if you got the turbo or the diesel it would help but I think the diesel was only available overseas.
I agree. The main issue I have is the bigger tires and their weight. I end up heating up the trans mission pretty quick when climbing up in elevated altitudes. I was also very loaded during that trip, so weight was my main issue.
I think the european version is better for torque, thanks to the 2.0 170hp turbodiesel engine with the same transmission... I'm italian and I have the Renegade Trailhawk with that engine
That's really not the problem. There's a reason why Jeep is proud of the 20:1 to 21:1 mechanical gear reduction of the Renegade. It's on par with EVERY DOMESTIC SUV with AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION and TWO-SPEED TRANSFER CASE sold in the USA in the 70's, 80's, and 90's I had a '73 Bronco which rolled out of the factory with a C-4 automatic having a 2.42:1 first gear, a Dana 20 transfer case with a 2.42:1 low range, and 3.50:1 limited slip differentials front and rear. Do the math, and you get a MECHANICAL compound low gearing of 20:4974 with the main transmission in first gear and the transfer case in low range. In the mid 1980s, you could have done what my dad and uncles did and parted with their first generation Bronocos to make room for a new Bronco II. My dad's 1986 Eddie Bauer Bronco II came with an automatic transmission having a 2.42:1 first gear, a Borg-Warner transfer case with a 2.42 low range, and 3.42:1 ring and pinion gears. Put that in low range and first gear, and you get a MECHANICAL low overall gearing of 20:02 :1. An S-10 Blazer or XJ Cherokee with an automatic trans and two-speed transfer case would have been in that same ballpark. I had my 73 Bronco on the trail in this video MANY TIMES. You could argue that it had an easier time of it because it had a smogged 302 delivering a whopping 139 hp and 230 ft/lbs of torque, but I've been on that trail in my dad's Bronco II, as well, which had 140 hp and 170 ft/lbs of torque. The issue with the Renegade is NOT 20:1 mechanical low gearing. People have run trails like the the one in this video with that kind of mechanical low gearing from four wheel drives equipped with automatic transmissions for over four decades now with no problem. The REAL PROBLEM with the Renegade is that the computers in it have a nasty habit of cutting power in situations where you don't want it cut. That's the real problem and there's no way that I know of to defeat this hyper-nanny computer programming. When Jeep is bragging about the 20:1 gearing of the Renegade, understand that what they're bragging about is the MECHANICAL gear reduction of the vehicle and that's not much different that the majority of domestic SUVs sold with two-speed transfer cases and automatic transmissions over the last four decades. They're NOT including the 2:1 torque multiplication fo the torque converter. That's what made my 73 Bronco ACT like it had a 40:1 low range on the trail. That's exactly what my Renegade would act like, too, if it wasn't for computer nanny power cutting. Take that computer nanny away, and it would crawl over shit easier than my "REAL JEEP" CJ-2 would in stock form and wouldn''t beat the crap out of you while doing it. Do the math yourself. Fist gear X low range gear X final drive gear and you'll get the mechanical low gear ratio of any SUV with a transfer case ever made. In my CJ-2, that would be 2.90 X 2 x 5.36 for a compound low of 31:1. Ah, BUT with vehicles having hydraulic automatic transmissions with torque converters, you can add another x2 to the multiplication chain and arrive at 40:1. That is the TRUE low grear of a Renegade Trailhawk until T/C output speed and input apeed are equalized. Now matter how you look at that, 40:1 with everything including 2:1 torque multiplication from the torque converter factored in is still lower than 31:1 of a REAL honest to God Jeep with flat fenders and buggy spring suspension had. Again. it isn't a gearing problem the Renegade has. It is a computer problem where the computers cut engine power when you'd a lot rather they didn't.
Hello, compliments for your renegade. It’s awesome!! 👏 I have been trying to find you dear number/wheel carrier everywhere but can’t find it anywhere can anyone help please?
@@nazgul_renegade that explains why your flex is so good. Theoretically, wheel spacers help your springs compress easier because of motion ratio. (Basically leverage on your springs from the spacers acting like a longer suspension arm). How’s the camber on the alignment? Is it negative or is it ok ? Do you disconnect your front sway bar ?
@@off-roadingexplained8417 I don't have my sway bar connected at all! lol It keeps making popping noises all the time. My alignment is not perfect but mostly where it needs to be, it is not far from factory.
@@nazgul_renegade and then one more question, just curious (And I’m sure you probably mentioned this in one of your videos I just haven’t seen it or didn’t remember , my apologies ) did you change your springs for the lift or are you using spacers and stock springs. I’ve never seen any non wrangler Jeep with that much front flex. I’m serious. You have insane front flex for a renegade , it’s like a ford bronco. I’ve never seen that much wheel tuck on independent suspension except for the Bronco. Whatever you did , you nailed it.
@@nazgul_renegade yeah. My alignment is slightly off. I was able to find a camber kit for front or rear . I don’t remember which one . I need one for both front and rear. It’s just BARELY off . No big deal .
I don't need the "real 4 low" . The "4x4" the renegades have does not work the same way you are thinking. They actually work better on auto - I have wheeled with several trailhawks and I have done more trails than them without the need of it.
If they could just add some more hp and torque that Jeep would be even more capable. Fun watchin you challenge it. Thanks!
The power and torque I think is enough for them. The issue is the computer killing it instead of releasing the full potential.
Did you turn off traction control?
Tremendous show I enjoy Watched congratulations
thank you for watching!
Looks like you took the Mineral Creek access to Engineer, and going UP that way is no joke! Props! Rig looks awesome 🤙🏼
Yes! it was a little challenging for the Renegade but it made it through! thanks!
Stock front bumper? And what rear bumper/tire carrier is that?? This build is beautiful.
The reflection of yhe sky on yhe wrangler looks so cool
I’d like to know which is the engine in the Renegade, what tires and If you have a lift kit? Thanks
The engine is 2.4 Tyger shark. I have 2" lift with 265/65/17 kM3
It seems like the torque converter just keeps slipping and the jeep doesn't move at all. Hard use causes the trans to overheat, so it's a good idea to add an transmission oil cooler to keep those temps down and the viscosity of the fluid high. Getting some mechanical advantage would be fantastic too, but I don't think smaller tires would do the trick, given the off road capabilities larger tires provide. Is there any lower gearing avaible for it? Of course you can aways bump up engine power but that sounds more costly. Another idea would be to get a high stall torque converter, to allow the engine to rev up to its peak torque rpm to get the vehicle moving. Great vid and great rig!
I wish I could have someone flash the computer so we can let the engine have all the power and not kill it when tryin to climb over things lol. I have already installed a trans cooler, I have a video on my channel about it. I just have not tested it.
I am not aware of any lower gear ratio for this type of Jeep.
@@nazgul_renegade are you absolutely positive the computer is not allowing the wheels to move *at all* ? Cause it seems it just doesn't have enough torque, but I might me wrong. As for turning off the engine cutting, I have a 2008 3 door Pajero, which wasn't sold in the US, but it does have a pretty agressive traction control. While the electronic brake force distribution does help a lot since the car has open diffs, sometimes it cuts the power right when you need it the most. Anyway, what I did is I installed a switch that completely shuts off the Traction Control, Stability Control and ABS unit. A lot of vehicles (like mine) have a single fuse for all of that, so removing it would do the trick too. Maybe your jeep has something like it, try looking for an ABS fuse and see if the car will drive without it
@@TranqueiraCars The computer kills the power to protect the transmission from blowing out, so it does not release all power to make those wheels turn. It starts overheating fast when you are in situations like me in that video. I have to sit and let it cool off some times. Hopefully the trans cooler helps. Also, My jeep is running tires that are twice as heavy, plus all the extra weigh I had on that trip and the altitude. I'm sure all that didn't help either.
@@nazgul_renegade I see. Welp, that's unfortunate. I'm guessing that's mostly because of the lack of a low range, the gearing it just too high and the torque converter has to slip all the time. Hopefully the trans cooler helps but it's probably helpless without a fan since the a speed is so low. I'm sure there is a way of tricking the car into allowing the engine to release all the power. A good starting point is figuring out what makes it think the power should be cut, then look for these sensors and try to change their output
@@TranqueiraCars The trans cooler has a fan on it, hopefully it helps. Unfortunately there is no much out there about flashing the computer at this moment.
Never really liked the look of the renegade as a replacement for the patriot. But your build is awesome! Love it!
Thank you!
That’s some kind of magic how different renegade can be and look. Now I have my basic renegade 2.4 fwd,but it has bigger wheels , all chrome parts tinted in black, it’s dark gray btw and it looks amazing,thinking to put on some spacers,it would look even more wild.but I see so many ugly renegades around 😮💨 it’s just grandama’s car. So weird for me how these things can change the look after the same car. This one looks amazing,wilder then mine but my is just good though
Awesome video
Thank you!
in which part can i get the snoker for my jeep renegade ...?
Man, that thing looks awesome!
thank you!
A bit like going up Mount Doom in Mordor, I see 😅. Great video ❤
Love the adrenaline of offroading!
I do too! 😁
Do RENEGADE owner's Wish for a wrangler? Because i had a wrangler and like this Renegade trailhawk that i traded for much better .just a better feeling ride . My Rubicon was heavy of course and too rough
I love my Rene, the only thing that makes me sad and makes it harder to do some things is the lack of low end torque for some climbs, and the fact that the trans will shut power off to the wheels when they start spinning even if I want them to spin to try and get something done.
Might be slightly better to manually shift to first you could try brake boosting too. Also, I think the Trailhawk is slightly lower geared by having a better final drive.
One other thing that you can do that I don't think anybody is doing is actually to go with a wider but smaller tire. Bigger tires actually hurt your overall wheel torque and overall ratio. You'd be better off actually going down one size and getting a wider tire. So go up on series and down on profile, make it to where the wheel diameter is maybe an inch or half an inch smaller... Then do like a three or four inch lift... Then air down off road.
I actually think that's your best bet because a smaller tire would be the same as improving your gearing a little bit.
Also if you got the turbo or the diesel it would help but I think the diesel was only available overseas.
rock mode cuts the power! use mud or sand or auto with first gear and deactivate traction control by pressing esp for 8 sec.
I agree. The main issue I have is the bigger tires and their weight. I end up heating up the trans mission pretty quick when climbing up in elevated altitudes. I was also very loaded during that trip, so weight was my main issue.
I switched to 91 octane and that problem improved for me. Not the wheels spinny thing though
I think the european version is better for torque, thanks to the 2.0 170hp turbodiesel engine with the same transmission... I'm italian and I have the Renegade Trailhawk with that engine
Should of gotten the trailhawk trim.
Don't need it, this has performed as good or better :)
what the reliability like with the renegade?
I have a 2915 Renegade Trailhawk with 137,000 miles on it. Reliability has been excellent so far.
I just wish they had a true low range . It would make a TON of difference.
Agreed!
That's really not the problem. There's a reason why Jeep is proud of the 20:1 to 21:1 mechanical gear reduction of the Renegade. It's on par with EVERY DOMESTIC SUV with AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION and TWO-SPEED TRANSFER CASE sold in the USA in the 70's, 80's, and 90's
I had a '73 Bronco which rolled out of the factory with a C-4 automatic having a 2.42:1 first gear, a Dana 20 transfer case with a 2.42:1 low range, and 3.50:1 limited slip differentials front and rear. Do the math, and you get a MECHANICAL compound low gearing of 20:4974 with the main transmission in first gear and the transfer case in low range.
In the mid 1980s, you could have done what my dad and uncles did and parted with their first generation Bronocos to make room for a new Bronco II. My dad's 1986 Eddie Bauer Bronco II came with an automatic transmission having a 2.42:1 first gear, a Borg-Warner transfer case with a 2.42 low range, and 3.42:1 ring and pinion gears. Put that in low range and first gear, and you get a MECHANICAL low overall gearing of 20:02 :1. An S-10 Blazer or XJ Cherokee with an automatic trans and two-speed transfer case would have been in that same ballpark.
I had my 73 Bronco on the trail in this video MANY TIMES. You could argue that it had an easier time of it because it had a smogged 302 delivering a whopping 139 hp and 230 ft/lbs of torque, but I've been on that trail in my dad's Bronco II, as well, which had 140 hp and 170 ft/lbs of torque.
The issue with the Renegade is NOT 20:1 mechanical low gearing. People have run trails like the the one in this video with that kind of mechanical low gearing from four wheel drives equipped with automatic transmissions for over four decades now with no problem.
The REAL PROBLEM with the Renegade is that the computers in it have a nasty habit of cutting power in situations where you don't want it cut. That's the real problem and there's no way that I know of to defeat this hyper-nanny computer programming.
When Jeep is bragging about the 20:1 gearing of the Renegade, understand that what they're bragging about is the MECHANICAL gear reduction of the vehicle and that's not much different that the majority of domestic SUVs sold with two-speed transfer cases and automatic transmissions over the last four decades. They're NOT including the 2:1 torque multiplication fo the torque converter.
That's what made my 73 Bronco ACT like it had a 40:1 low range on the trail.
That's exactly what my Renegade would act like, too, if it wasn't for computer nanny power cutting. Take that computer nanny away, and it would crawl over shit easier than my "REAL JEEP" CJ-2 would in stock form and wouldn''t beat the crap out of you while doing it.
Do the math yourself. Fist gear X low range gear X final drive gear and you'll get the mechanical low gear ratio of any SUV with a transfer case ever made. In my CJ-2, that would be 2.90 X 2 x 5.36 for a compound low of 31:1.
Ah, BUT with vehicles having hydraulic automatic transmissions with torque converters, you can add another x2 to the multiplication chain and arrive at 40:1. That is the TRUE low grear of a Renegade Trailhawk until T/C output speed and input apeed are equalized. Now matter how you look at that, 40:1 with everything including 2:1 torque multiplication from the torque converter factored in is still lower than 31:1 of a REAL honest to God Jeep with flat fenders and buggy spring suspension had.
Again. it isn't a gearing problem the Renegade has.
It is a computer problem where the computers cut engine power when you'd a lot rather they didn't.
@@jerroldshelton9367💯. Alot of modern vehicles' powertrain programming are what hold back their capabilities.
I have 2021 Trailhawk and the 1.3 turbo has alot better torque and it does have lower crawl ratio. It's a little beast off road.
Good to hear it.
i have 2017 with 1.4L and stick shift . is this the same engine? why is it 1.3L now
@@thuggoe I have the 2.4.
@@nazgul_renegade I have a 22 and the 1.3L turbo engine is powerful it's amazing it's like if it doesn't it will push itself to climb all the way
@@thuggoe 1.3L is for the United States I understand that the 1.4 is in Europe
renegade looks much better than wrangler 👌
They do look cooler once you fix them up!
Diesel ????
Front winch mount looks great! Is that a custom made part? 👍
yes sir!
@@nazgul_renegade Well done! I'm digging the look
Hello, compliments for your renegade. It’s awesome!! 👏 I have been trying to find you dear number/wheel carrier everywhere but can’t find it anywhere can anyone help please?
is that a 6spd or Auto?
@@cantfixstupid5503 auto
bro floor that shiet brother!!!!!!
Can't, the computer won't let you do it... :(
Are you using wheel spacers
yes, 1.5"
@@nazgul_renegade that explains why your flex is so good. Theoretically, wheel spacers help your springs compress easier because of motion ratio. (Basically leverage on your springs from the spacers acting like a longer suspension arm). How’s the camber on the alignment? Is it negative or is it ok ?
Do you disconnect your front sway bar ?
@@off-roadingexplained8417 I don't have my sway bar connected at all! lol It keeps making popping noises all the time. My alignment is not perfect but mostly where it needs to be, it is not far from factory.
@@nazgul_renegade and then one more question, just curious (And I’m sure you probably mentioned this in one of your videos I just haven’t seen it or didn’t remember , my apologies ) did you change your springs for the lift or are you using spacers and stock springs. I’ve never seen any non wrangler Jeep with that much front flex. I’m serious. You have insane front flex for a renegade , it’s like a ford bronco. I’ve never seen that much wheel tuck on independent suspension except for the Bronco. Whatever you did , you nailed it.
@@nazgul_renegade yeah. My alignment is slightly off. I was able to find a camber kit for front or rear . I don’t remember which one . I need one for both front and rear. It’s just BARELY off . No big deal .
Should have got a trailhawk if you were gonna dump all that money into it ...for a real 4 low
I don't need the "real 4 low" . The "4x4" the renegades have does not work the same way you are thinking. They actually work better on auto - I have wheeled with several trailhawks and I have done more trails than them without the need of it.
Is no Trailhawk?
Latitude.
@@nazgul_renegade is it lifted or just wheel spacers?
@@Colors492CoLoRs492 I have 2" lift and 1.25" spacers
@@nazgul_renegade ty
@@nazgul_renegade do you use the rough country lift kit and what kind of spacers? ty im new to all of this but i do own a renegade
A better driver for renegade and it would be fine
I agree!
That's what happens when you don't got luckers.
Air down your tires……………..
🄿🅁🄾🄼🄾🅂🄼 😳