How F1 racers turn really fast

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  • Опубліковано 1 сер 2022
  • It’s all about using the entire width of the road and finding the ideal line.
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    Cars travel at their fastest speeds when moving in a straight line, and Formula 1 is no different. F1 racers drive at over 215 mph on the straightest parts of the track. But when it comes to turning around tight corners, these kinds of speeds just aren’t possible. In order to avoid spinning out and crashing, racers have to slow down and use physics to strategically craft the most efficient turns while retaining the greatest amount of speed, ideally giving them a leg up against the competition.
    The most efficient path through any corner (or set of corners) is generally referred to as the “ideal racing line.”
    This line changes depending on the path of the track before and after the curve, but the goal is always to spend as little time in the turn as possible. That means using the entire width of the track to minimize the angle that the car will take around the turn, ultimately allowing drivers to carry the most speed through it.
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    driver61.com/uni/racing-line/
    drivingfast.net/racing-line/
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    onestopracing.com/how-do-f1-d...
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  • @davidvalencia129
    @davidvalencia129 Рік тому +5883

    A video explaining all the forces and fatigue the drivers are exposed to while racing would be nice. people tend to believe this is easy but these guys are some of the most resistant athletes out there.

    • @TheyForcedMyHandLE
      @TheyForcedMyHandLE Рік тому +157

      This Vox guy just noticed that "F1 drivers are all over the road." I think this audience is quite a ways away from appreciating "all the forces."

    • @SergioAbarca9
      @SergioAbarca9 Рік тому +352

      @@TheyForcedMyHandLE Nice gatekeeping mate! Leave your ego out of it and let them enjoy F1

    • @DaveMcIroy
      @DaveMcIroy Рік тому +24

      That guy here was surprised about a racing line. How do you think he can do a video like that? I'm not sure he can cloth himself.

    • @iz2043
      @iz2043 Рік тому

      David, it would be nice if you shut up also

    • @RotchildFrancoisJr
      @RotchildFrancoisJr Рік тому +74

      Put any regular person in a shifter kart and they’d be completely exhausted after five laps. Ribs, arms and neck would be sore. F1 drivers are top tier for sure

  • @chiragshukla3910
    @chiragshukla3910 Рік тому +4916

    F1 may be a rich man's sport, but driving those cars at those speeds is a near-superhuman feat and is truly commendable.

    • @ericlego321
      @ericlego321 Рік тому +474

      @Zaydan Naufal F1, there's only 20 spots

    • @kabir33
      @kabir33 Рік тому +365

      F1 for sure, not only because there are only 20 spots but because you have to be millionaire rich or sponsored by a millionaire to afford to race

    • @STIGGBLASTBACK
      @STIGGBLASTBACK Рік тому +15

      @Zaydan Naufalagreed the ny taxi driver danny sullivan debut in 1983 f1 driver and indy 500

    • @ShavoSoaDer
      @ShavoSoaDer Рік тому +190

      @Zaydan Naufal Stroll, Mazepin and Latifi are sons of billionaires. Norris and Zhou fathers have 500M+ net worth. That's 20% of drivers that raced in F1 since beggining of 2021.
      F1 is sport where someone with average pro golfer upbringing would be in poorer half of grid.

    • @zzgaming29
      @zzgaming29 Рік тому +110

      You either have to be a generational talent like Hamilton or Alonso or you have to have immense family financial backing like Stroll. A lot of the time it’s a combination. For the ones who are clearly at the top of the talent pool, once they make the jump from karts to cars, sponsors will naturally come on so at that point, money is not that big of an issue.

  • @skynet_4287
    @skynet_4287 Рік тому +5387

    Tracks also have elevations and depth. That also has to be taken into account.

    • @khalilahd.
      @khalilahd. Рік тому +9

      So true

    • @tiemen9095
      @tiemen9095 Рік тому +184

      And then there is wind, track temperature variation throughout a session or race, degrading tires and different tire compounds.

    • @alieffauzanrizky7202
      @alieffauzanrizky7202 Рік тому +95

      You also have to consider looking to your mirror just in case some verstappen-wannabe trying to divebomb you

    • @kidShibuya
      @kidShibuya Рік тому +4

      That might change braking, but doesn't alter any lines.

    • @starby1243
      @starby1243 Рік тому +11

      They forgot about how thick our neck needs to be to take those lines corners fast.

  • @shebsheb8850
    @shebsheb8850 Рік тому +1608

    I’m surprised Goatifi’s phenomenal track record wasn’t mentioned.

  • @MyChannel-ww8mo
    @MyChannel-ww8mo Рік тому +592

    4:44 what a nice driver, surely his race wouldn't be compromised with no fault of his own via bad strategy calls

    • @Max_Kleiber
      @Max_Kleiber Рік тому +37

      basically ferrari's 2022 strategy in a nutshell...

    • @fuctako429
      @fuctako429 Рік тому +32

      MATTIA BINOTTO’S FERRARI MASTER🅱️LAN 2022. GRAZIE RAGAZZI 🇮🇹🤌

    • @K9nn9th
      @K9nn9th Рік тому +45

      'As abuse is no longer allowed when we speak about F1, I'm forced to say Ferrari's strategists are brilliant.'
      ~ Jeremy Clarkson

    • @Ricky911_
      @Ricky911_ Рік тому +3

      It's all part of the Ferrari Master🅱️lan™

    • @rodneymugwara3206
      @rodneymugwara3206 Рік тому

      he won the race

  • @luklukgamingyt5333
    @luklukgamingyt5333 Рік тому +1055

    As a long time F1 fan, I seriously appreciate the fact that now more than ever, American news and fans are finally tuning in to watch and learn about the spectacle that is Formula 1.

    • @cburg
      @cburg Рік тому +67

      Can't wait for the Americans to add a half-time show to their next GP!

    • @luklukgamingyt5333
      @luklukgamingyt5333 Рік тому +1

      lol

    • @dan_
      @dan_ Рік тому +13

      F1 died at the end of last season. I can't take it seriously any more and I'd been a fan since the mid-90s.

    • @damag3plan
      @damag3plan Рік тому +41

      @@dan_ precious Hamilton fan

    • @Cynycter
      @Cynycter Рік тому

      @@dan_ why u say that? the farce that was Abu Dhabi?

  • @khalilahd.
    @khalilahd. Рік тому +691

    We used to use F1 tracks as examples in my physics class so it’s cool to see it used it real life 😅

    • @jonathanng138
      @jonathanng138 Рік тому +13

      Always be seeing you on inside edition for some reason

    • @kamilkopacewicz8414
      @kamilkopacewicz8414 Рік тому +1

      Amazing! That sounds very cool!

    • @abigail40
      @abigail40 Рік тому

      let me into your physics class :’)

  • @Thebreakdownshow1
    @Thebreakdownshow1 Рік тому +818

    As F1 buff please keep making these, i love how F1 is getting all this new interest may be I will make a few videos myself.

  • @CYMotorsport
    @CYMotorsport Рік тому +928

    Faint pass attempts, early throttle application for an impending DRS run, switchbacks… tons of reasons you’d also want to purposefully pursue a mathematically non ideal path, too on top of all this correct info. Great to see this discussed!

    • @Charsty
      @Charsty Рік тому +15

      Not to mention driving style and car setup. Danny Ric and Lando Exhibit A!
      When Video mate love your stuff.

    • @ryand3581
      @ryand3581 Рік тому +13

      Also the fact that it's better to compromise your turn in to get a better run out of the corner if you're going onto a long straight, example being Montreal's hairpin.

    • @allwheeldingus220
      @allwheeldingus220 Рік тому +7

      If only there was a UA-camr who had the knowledge to go more in depth. 👀

    • @fahada1921
      @fahada1921 Рік тому +2

      Bro where the heck are you??

    • @Aditya-pu5fx
      @Aditya-pu5fx Рік тому +3

      👑 you dropped this king.

  • @GlassTecRacing
    @GlassTecRacing Рік тому +201

    4:37 isn’t the best example of drivers choosing alternate lines. While side by side, these ideas are thrown out the window, as one driver looks to defend the racing line by fending the other away from it. There are better examples during qualifying, where individual drivers will enter a corner more aggressively than others, while others will focus more on the exit. Verstappen likes a front-heavy car for aggressive turn ins, while his team mate Perez prefers a smoother entry, smoother steering input for a cleaner exit. Great video none the less for beginners!

    • @GlassTecRacing
      @GlassTecRacing Рік тому +1

      @cnmmd qiuoo Anyone reading your comment would think you know nothing about setting up a formula one car.. your response has nothing to do with drivers taking different racing lines due to their preference...

  • @SoleR7
    @SoleR7 Рік тому +167

    Everyone: "Formula1" / "F1"
    Vox: "F-1"

    • @mattglad1428
      @mattglad1428 Рік тому +4

      I’m grateful for the F1 content regardless, but yea ‘F-1’s a first.

    • @Thebreakdownshow1
      @Thebreakdownshow1 Рік тому

      VOX is like we use only the queen's English.

    • @SoleR7
      @SoleR7 Рік тому

      @@mattglad1428 the video is quite good actually :)

    • @shouldntyoubecooking
      @shouldntyoubecooking Рік тому +1

      I'm lost where did they say it wrong?

    • @mattglad1428
      @mattglad1428 Рік тому +1

      @@shouldntyoubecooking They’ve changed it now. It was originally written as F-1 in the caption.

  • @Rahul-px3my
    @Rahul-px3my Рік тому +109

    Watching the W11 Mercedes going at 300kmph around pouhon in spa was when i knew that f1 cars are truly something extraordinary. The sheer downforce on those cars are magnificent.

    • @monketok141
      @monketok141 Рік тому +14

      The W11 was built different. What an incredible machine

    • @MacroKnight
      @MacroKnight 3 місяці тому

      they could build these cars with even more downforce allowing even higher cornering speeds. but its too dangerous

  • @JJJackson777
    @JJJackson777 Рік тому +250

    theoritically it's all about taking the shallowest line, kissing the apex & maintaining max mininum cornering speed. but every corner is different & driver style matters massively, Alonso for example loves to turn in sharp & early.

    • @quinn.mcginley
      @quinn.mcginley Рік тому +7

      exactly, i don’t follow racing one bit but that’s just seems intuitive… this video characterizing it a a compromise is kinda weird

    • @olivierkoster
      @olivierkoster Рік тому +16

      He’s not in the 2006 renault anymore 😅

    • @MrAminalCrackers
      @MrAminalCrackers Рік тому +13

      @@quinn.mcginley the compromise of the video is the difference between the fastest way around a specific corner vs the fastest way around the track. The compromise is not taking the fastest way around a corner, in order to achieve the fastest way around the track.

    • @HoudiniGameArtist
      @HoudiniGameArtist Рік тому +1

      Also depending on where you want your speed to come from. Entry or Exit. Following, setting up a pass, or wrapping up a hot lap are a few examples where the racing line completely changes. Certain corners have 2 ideal lines, you might take 1 depending on what you type of racing you are doing. Hot lap vs tyre management. Man, racing is so cool, they could do 100 videos and still barely scratch the surface.

    • @quinn.mcginley
      @quinn.mcginley Рік тому +1

      @@MrAminalCrackers Again idk what I'm talking about, but the compromise I was speaking to was around 1:40, where they seem to say that hugging the outside would be the best way save for the low margin for error. Whereas hugging the outside is just objectively worse in every way compared to the "cutting the corner" approach.

  • @__TClol__
    @__TClol__ Рік тому +130

    The '22 Hungarian GP had several excellent camera shots of racing lines and drivers displaying amazing racecraft provided by the helicopter shots.

  • @legowtham
    @legowtham Рік тому +65

    And the sheer amount of G-force they experience on those corners is massive and those drivers have my respect.

  • @volleyballurrrr
    @volleyballurrrr Рік тому +43

    One thing that often gets overlooked when talking about the racing line is that, like Brad said, they don’t exist in a vacuum, and it’s not just other corners that effect the line, it’s the straights between them. The most important corner, on any given flying lap, is the last corner before the longest straight. You must maximize your exit speed on that corner, even if it means compromising a section of the track that precedes it, because every bit of speed you have coming into that straight away is going to be magnified by the end of it.

  • @zaphod4245
    @zaphod4245 Рік тому +135

    Turn 1 at Baku is about the closest to that 90 degree turn you used as an example, not stowe

    • @EmilRinaldi95
      @EmilRinaldi95 Рік тому +40

      or most other corners in Baku... very surprised by the inaccuracy of the "closest real world example"

    • @0Phyzer0
      @0Phyzer0 Рік тому +1

      Wanted to write the same. Absolutely true

    • @MM126.90
      @MM126.90 Рік тому +14

      They just needed an excuse to introduce silverstone and not use multiple tracks that might confuse people

    • @AmberKingmusic
      @AmberKingmusic Рік тому

      Was thinking the same thing I'm like Baku has 90s

    • @FiredAndIced
      @FiredAndIced Рік тому

      Vox is pretty liberal left leaning. How to like a sport that courts nations that don't conform to the American standard for democracy and personal freedoms?

  • @DarkKnight-uz3os
    @DarkKnight-uz3os Рік тому +48

    4:41 it is called "not leaving a space" in F1😂 and also all the drivers are following a different line because they are trying to overtake. If you watch a lap where no one is trying to overtake almost all drivers follow a similar line

    • @zzgaming29
      @zzgaming29 Рік тому +1

      Was just about to say lol

    • @d9zirable
      @d9zirable Рік тому +7

      But I thought all the time you have to leave a space

    • @waty0usay1
      @waty0usay1 Рік тому

      They're not trying to overtake, they're looking for the fastest line through the corner as another car is compromising the racing line for them.

    • @scarkillerful
      @scarkillerful Рік тому +1

      No, that's called oversteer. It was hardly intentional.

    • @zzgaming29
      @zzgaming29 Рік тому

      @@scarkillerful most definitely not oversteer. It’s clear as day that Max pushed Leclerc clean off the track. Also, just the fact that it’s Max doing this says it all lol, undoubtedly a push.

  • @Matt212YT
    @Matt212YT Рік тому +23

    Top tips:
    Make the track as wide as possible
    Slow in, fast out
    Don't talk over yourself doing it live 😅

    • @GallactusF1
      @GallactusF1 Рік тому +1

      *Foreshadowing intensifies*

    • @Beef7599
      @Beef7599 Рік тому

      cheers Matt I shall try these tips💪

  • @CreamAle
    @CreamAle Рік тому +23

    Lol talking about turning really fast while the thumbnail shows one of the slowest corners in the calendar.

  • @ydid687
    @ydid687 Рік тому +111

    good on newbies for wanting to learn and love this breathtaking sport :)

  • @Hamzz25
    @Hamzz25 Рік тому +67

    F1 is actually one of the hardest sports to master . Big respect to all the drivers

    • @ariamahmed3434
      @ariamahmed3434 Рік тому

      It's not Google what's the hardest sport to master f1 doesn't come up

    • @xxDxxism
      @xxDxxism Рік тому +21

      ​@@ariamahmed3434 So you depend on Google to tell you everything?

    • @ariamahmed3434
      @ariamahmed3434 Рік тому

      @@xxDxxism it's a credible source so yeah everyone depends on Google for something you're acting like you've never used it you must be a kid thinking they're smart when in reality they said the dumbest thing

    • @oboe8970
      @oboe8970 Рік тому +3

      @@ariamahmed3434 yes it’s a credible source but it is important to form your own opinions in life. You’re acting like a kid who blindly trusts everything without a second thought.

    • @harry4454
      @harry4454 Рік тому +1

      ​@@ariamahmed3434 it genuinely is 9ne of the hardest sports in the world

  • @user-mo1gp4fg5v
    @user-mo1gp4fg5v 9 місяців тому +2

    As a race driver this is one of the best and well explained videos on racing lines I’ve ever seen. All scenarios are explained and it leaves nothing out. I love it

  • @Eddiesoc
    @Eddiesoc Рік тому +17

    Always love to see big channels bringing new people into the sport

  • @Gbiese
    @Gbiese Рік тому +35

    Been watching F1 for over a decade, so really happy to see this video. More F1 and motorsport coverage please Vox!

    • @DaveMcIroy
      @DaveMcIroy Рік тому

      Wow, 1 decade.

    • @ashtondmorgan
      @ashtondmorgan Рік тому

      I’ve been watching for about the same too👍

    • @DaveMcIroy
      @DaveMcIroy Рік тому

      @@ashtondmorgan, so you've never seen Michael race?

    • @epereski1
      @epereski1 Рік тому

      @@DaveMcIroy maybe they saw him race in his mercedes’ comebacl

  • @gabrieleporru4443
    @gabrieleporru4443 Рік тому +21

    1:09 weird way to say that NASCAR is the exception, though. All other motorsports have "all" corners because that's what a...normal circuit looks like

    • @Ricky911_
      @Ricky911_ Рік тому +2

      NASCAR is honestly a bit of a garbage series. Do people really enjoy seeing cars going round in ovals that much? Indycar has fortunately shifted to better circuits for the most part but NASCAR is honestly the most boring racing series imaginable

    • @clementyau7192
      @clementyau7192 Рік тому +5

      @@Ricky911_ Judgemental much. Any non holier than thou motorsport fan would recognize that each series has its pros and cons and its own specialities. Theres something interesting watching pack racing and being able to have multiple non ideal racing lines with the PJ1

    • @MM126.90
      @MM126.90 Рік тому +3

      Not to mention that NASCAR does go to circuits including 3 current or former F1 tracks

    • @MM126.90
      @MM126.90 Рік тому +2

      @@Ricky911_ have you watched a NASCAR race?

    • @Ricky911_
      @Ricky911_ Рік тому

      @@MM126.90 yes. I tried getting into the sport once and I never understood what was so great tbh. I've asked many people and they all seemed to say the strategies, the overtakes and the crashes but idk, it's never really been my thing. Circuits need to have all sorts of turns for them to be enjoyable for me

  • @andrewprasanna9323
    @andrewprasanna9323 Рік тому +7

    Love this video! I remember learning to do this in Real Racing 3 lol. I'd always use the apex line then and going over those red & white striped things was really satisfying!

  • @puzzLEGO
    @puzzLEGO Рік тому +26

    I love how the 3d model car disappears for exactly one frame at 0:37

    • @AyazZaman
      @AyazZaman Рік тому

      💀

    • @alejogonzalez4997
      @alejogonzalez4997 Рік тому +1

      it not dissapear, it becomes smaller and faces back

    • @kuartz.
      @kuartz. Рік тому +2

      0:36 for me

    • @namento45_yt
      @namento45_yt Рік тому

      The car turned to the opposite direction and became a lot smaller but the wheels remain

  • @Lcngopher
    @Lcngopher Рік тому +5

    1:43 nascar drivers can stay all the way on the inside of the track at daytona and talladega because the nature of the size and banking allows them to run full throttle so the shortest way around can be faster. This manifests the most when watching qualifying as they are out there alone whereas in the race, they use the draft to gain speed to attempt to pass and the physical lap distance isnt vital

  • @okaydoubleu
    @okaydoubleu Рік тому +6

    Amazing animation/graphics. Vox does it again! 👍🏼

  • @hunteryoung1339
    @hunteryoung1339 10 місяців тому

    I've been searching for the perfect video that explains the core fundamentals of motorsports to introduce my friends into sim racing, and you have provided it. Thank you.

  • @tiggie_96
    @tiggie_96 Рік тому

    I basically knew all this and really just wanted to check out the video and it was really well done and entertaining! I'm so glad you guys were able to use actual F1 footage for examples. +1 for using Silverstone.

  • @mistersir3185
    @mistersir3185 Рік тому +4

    Thank you VOX for making this. I'm 1 week old newbie in the world of F1, what a great timing this video was for me

    • @monkeyman321
      @monkeyman321 Рік тому

      A lifetime of excitement and disappointment awaits you if you continue watching the races

  • @ihateeveryoneofyou
    @ihateeveryoneofyou Рік тому +4

    2:41 "the closest real world example is stowe" Have you not seen Baku?

  • @juliemittel3931
    @juliemittel3931 Рік тому +2

    0:45 gotta love how in this segment, yas marina is shown twice

  • @soledieairvideos5974
    @soledieairvideos5974 Рік тому

    Great video! I’m loving all the new F1 content across explainer channels. Also anyone can use this steering information for themselves (on a smaller scale) at a Go-Kart track (K1 Speed is fun and accessible in most places). K1 is where my dad taught me all about “taking the fastest line possible by using the Apexes”.

  • @foryoutube9960
    @foryoutube9960 Рік тому +7

    Sainz finally has screen time!

  • @Uathankicks
    @Uathankicks Рік тому +6

    The concert of “the line” is found from skiing, to walking through NYC. It is the straightest line through a set of obstacles.

  • @v1d300
    @v1d300 Рік тому

    I would have loved to listen to this more in detail. Thank you for the beautiful visuals!

  • @ryanviertel7059
    @ryanviertel7059 Рік тому +2

    Vox: How F1 Racers Turn Really Fast
    Thumbnail: Shows the Fairmont Hairpin, literally the slowest corner in F1, that could probably be taken faster in a go kart.

  • @Darkyells
    @Darkyells Рік тому +6

    0:45 Shows 3 one-off circuits, 1 canceled one, layouts that are just wrong, and Yas Marina twice :'D

  • @schnevox
    @schnevox Рік тому +4

    "The closest we can get to our theoretical 90° corner is Stowe"
    Sochi: Am I a joke to you?

  • @Klovar
    @Klovar Рік тому

    more F1 content please! this was a wonderful video

  • @dendygar7035
    @dendygar7035 Рік тому

    Very much enjoyed the purpose-built 3d modeling and rendering of these courses, a really nice visualization of what sorts of lines these drivers are taking!

  • @sarminder4357
    @sarminder4357 Рік тому +5

    VOX should do a video on WEC or endurance racing in general. Especially the 24 hour races of le Mans or Nurburgring

  • @unitedasiansgaming5363
    @unitedasiansgaming5363 Рік тому +13

    As an f1 fan I find this genuinely fun to watch

    • @AndresDCK
      @AndresDCK Рік тому

      I followed F1 for 20 years and F1 it's thee best world, welcome to the F1 family mate🏁🏎️

  • @jayneechiu
    @jayneechiu 10 місяців тому

    Gerat video! Please make more F1 videos. As a new fan there're so many things to figure out in this sport lol

  • @DevArts
    @DevArts Рік тому

    Really great video, even as a long time F1 fan its great to see videos like this.

  • @Ricky911_
    @Ricky911_ Рік тому +10

    5:08 it would have been nice to show Max Verstappen's overtake on Nico Rosberg from Brazil 2016 here. What happened is there was a Safety Car and it was raining. After the restart, Nico took the normal racing line while Max overtook him on the outside because it was drier over there. Turns out Max had been testing the surfaces under the Safety Car and found more grip on the outside. Still one of the best overtakes I have ever seen in my life

  • @thaminduKavinda
    @thaminduKavinda Рік тому +3

    My favorite sport in the world. ❤
    I see now lots of them making videos about this great sport.

  • @joshuaphillips755
    @joshuaphillips755 Рік тому

    I learned how to drive playing Gran Turismo 1 & 2. Those tutorials are so informative.

  • @KayJblue
    @KayJblue Рік тому +1

    As a long time Motorsports fan (and someone who spends hours in sims) I expected this video to get things wrong but it was genuinely well made.

  • @BradPhilpot
    @BradPhilpot Рік тому +3

    ❤️ Glad to be able to help!

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero Рік тому +1

      Good job on the video! I've heard in the comments this question : how much is drifting important in F1?

    • @BradPhilpot
      @BradPhilpot Рік тому +1

      @@Game_Hero You’re trying to avoid any sliding (drifting being oversteer / sliding from the rear) at all costs. Going sideways = not going forwards as fast. So even a small drift is a major error and will cause a big loss of time.

  • @WestExplainsBest
    @WestExplainsBest Рік тому +41

    Would have loved the continued geometric explanation: the "radius" of your curve matters and finding the 'apex' gives you effectively the largest radius and therefore the flatest line.
    Why? It's easier to balance a beachball on your finger than a baseball.

    • @waty0usay1
      @waty0usay1 Рік тому +1

      At some point you switch from U shaped lines through corners to V shaped lines, because tyres wear and heat up and eventually start sliding around because they can't cope with constant cornering speeds, has nothing to do with your beachball and baseball analogy.

    • @NexuJin
      @NexuJin Рік тому

      There is more than just only geometry involved with cornering in racing. There is also physics: power, weight, grip, downforce.

    • @WestExplainsBest
      @WestExplainsBest Рік тому

      I added the analogy to help the non-math savy understand what difference the size of the radius makes (I teach 6th grade math). An oversimplification for sure and your response is in fact more complete.

    • @ariamahmed3434
      @ariamahmed3434 Рік тому

      Can you please explain it more I still don't get how the radius of the curve can be larger by finding the apex?

    • @WestExplainsBest
      @WestExplainsBest Рік тому

      @@ariamahmed3434 What I meant by "finding the apex" was the driving process of going wide, getting closest to the apex of the corner, and exiting wide. This creates a flatter arc (bigger radius) than both the inside curve and the outside curve.

  • @andresp.1774
    @andresp.1774 Рік тому

    As a long time F1 fan... Well done! What a great video!

  • @william94743
    @william94743 Рік тому

    when high quality channels go to the topic of F1 that greats the best videos for me as an F1 fan!!

  • @danielwillems3795
    @danielwillems3795 Рік тому +50

    It would have been nice to get a bit more in depth about trail braking that happens in racing. For 50% you turn the car still the steering wheel and for 50% with the brake. I think Brad could give a very nice explanation of this in a follow up video :)

    • @waty0usay1
      @waty0usay1 Рік тому +1

      50% is too much, in trailbraking you only use anywhere from 5-25% brakes, depending on how deep and long you go into the corner.

    • @danielwillems3795
      @danielwillems3795 Рік тому

      @@waty0usay1 i didn't mean that you have 50% input. What I meant is that to make a car turn, 50% of what makes that happen is the steering input and 50% of what makes it happen is the braking.

    • @waty0usay1
      @waty0usay1 Рік тому +1

      @@danielwillems3795 well no, steering is more like 80% of what makes the car turn, if you let go of the steering wheel and you hit the brakes, the car will still go straight, unless there are large bumps in the road which make the weight of the car shift around or the road is cambered and gravity pulls the car down the angle or the brakes aren't working evenly which start pulling the car to the left or the right and you also have the gas pedal, which helps rotate the car with oversteer.

    • @adiba9734
      @adiba9734 Рік тому

      you mean brad stroll former enggineer😅

  • @Ricky911_
    @Ricky911_ Рік тому +3

    It should also be taken into account that the driving style and handling of the car matter a lot when it comes to taking the best line. For example, Michael Schumacher and Sebastian Vettel are known for taking a V line at certain corners. They share 11 world championships in case anyone's wondering (7 and 4)

  • @sammyy1105
    @sammyy1105 Рік тому +1

    nice to see vox covering f1. looking for more videos in the future!

  • @joeyarrazolo5227
    @joeyarrazolo5227 Рік тому

    This is the type of analysis I’ve been looking for. Need more of it lol

  • @aoifeblack_4153
    @aoifeblack_4153 Рік тому +16

    Ah yes, Stowe, the best example of a 90° corner in f1. Have they heard of Baku? Or did they want a track example explicitly?

    • @alexhaworth757
      @alexhaworth757 Рік тому +2

      Yeah I found that odd as everything else was fairly accurate so why they threw that line in was weird
      edit - nvm i watched the rest of the video, they clearly have only watched one race or something

  • @_abk_3251
    @_abk_3251 Рік тому +26

    The DTS effect is huge, even mainstream media like vox is covering F1 now

    • @RicoTropico
      @RicoTropico Рік тому +2

      That's exactly what i thinked when this material showed up on Vox channel.

    • @waty0usay1
      @waty0usay1 Рік тому

      "covering f1 now", they're not covering F1, all they did was talk about why you don't drive on only one side of the road on a racetrack and they used F1 as an example.

  • @CNLH29
    @CNLH29 Рік тому

    The visuals are always great on Vox videos, but really loving the 3D look!

  • @slimharrathi7
    @slimharrathi7 Рік тому

    I believe this is Vox's second F1 video after Monaco's, as an fan Just keep it going 👏

  • @SP.Learning
    @SP.Learning Рік тому +3

    Shout out to the guy that made the animations tho 🔥

  • @goldiee1477
    @goldiee1477 Рік тому +3

    If you have a 90 degree corner leading onto a long strait it’s sometime better to take a late apex to straighten up the car for a better acceleration onto the strait. This is just one of the things you missed in this VERY simplified video truth is it’s a lot more complex that this video makes it out to be.

  • @LimitedWard
    @LimitedWard Рік тому

    You can tell a lot of work went into the graphics of this video! Would love to see a spinoff channel which goes into more depth on the "making of" Vox videos (the research, graphics, what gets cut out, etc.).

  • @SuzanDennert
    @SuzanDennert 8 місяців тому

    I love your style, bro, you really knows what are you doing...

  • @emdotrod
    @emdotrod Рік тому +3

    Today F1 cars generate so much downforce and g-force when turning, the driver's neck have to be able to constantly taking so many forces during the race that there are exercises done to strenghten their neck muscle.

  • @TommoOnYoutube
    @TommoOnYoutube Рік тому +3

    Downforce goes brrrrr

    • @Rahul-px3my
      @Rahul-px3my Рік тому

      man watching that w11 go through corners like pouhon at spa at 300kmph is when you realize that f1 cars are truly a different breed

    • @AGthechampion
      @AGthechampion Рік тому

      Having played F1 games, driving a regular car round Silverstone ends with me offtrack.

  • @caskadestudio
    @caskadestudio Рік тому +1

    I just realised I've been doing this in racing games for years... I only had the actual 'racing line' setting on for a few weeks and then I found racing lines on new maps pretty instinctively! That's actually pretty cool.

  • @pushing2throttles
    @pushing2throttles Рік тому +1

    All right Vox... well done. Great subject!

  • @andrzejsupermocny2386
    @andrzejsupermocny2386 Рік тому +8

    There's also the distinction about early and late apex based on the length of straight after the corner, i.e. if a long straight is after the corner you want to take a late apex - kiss the inside late, so you can get on the throttle earlier and go faster quicker for longer.
    Also double apex, or V-ing the corner on long corners where you go outside inside outside inside. A lot more could be covered.

  • @n_core
    @n_core Рік тому +5

    This is basically part of "Racing 101", and if you play racing games (especially with simulation type of handling) you should already know why.
    Playing many racing games over the years resulting with my instinct just know when and how to make a turn efficiently.
    It's not a turning calculation or any kind of trick, it's because it just feels right.

  • @shadowwsk3507
    @shadowwsk3507 Рік тому +1

    The animations are pretty sick man!

  • @Fluster
    @Fluster Рік тому

    Really nice video, thanks Vox!

  • @immatureradical
    @immatureradical Рік тому +8

    This explanation is so needlessly convoluted, beginning from the most fundamental concepts, so it can only become messier afterwards. For starters, what is described erroneously as the "ideal racing line" in the 90-degree corner example is what racing people actually refer to as the geometric racing line. This is the line that forms the shallowest turning radious throughout the corner and enables maximum speed at the apex, thus representing the fastest way to go through that particular section, in isolation of many other factors. It rarely is the exact line that brings the fastest lap time though, primarily because by turning in later than the geometric ideal and/or delaying the point where you reach the apex, you can have a shallower exit radious. That is what racers actually call the "ideal racing line" and it is considered as such because a straighter exit allows the driver to be earlier on the throttle, which will bring a speed advantage that will be carried on through the ensuing straight and until the next corner - rather than for the few meters separating the turn-in point from the apex. In short, it is the "slower in, faster out" concept. That is the primary reason why drivers pick their lines by looking at a sequense of corners rather than one in isolation. Even a simple 90-degree corner can warrant a pretty different approach depending on whether it is followed by a large straight, or there's another slow corner immediately after it. In the latter case, maybe the geometric line would also be the ideal one.
    Also, these principles are pretty universal and not specific to F1. Anyone watching the video title would think you were going to explain downforce.

    • @argh1989
      @argh1989 Рік тому +3

      So far (scrolling down) this is the comment I resonate with the most. The way they call them F1 tracks and put them in contrast with ovals is such a US-centric perspective. All this applies to circuit racing in general, which is a thing in your country too, BTW. Even in NASCAR!

    • @immatureradical
      @immatureradical Рік тому

      @@argh1989 Thanks. These principles are so universal that you'd have to expect every professional racer to describe them in roughly the same way, from Nascar to F1 indeed. Different driving styles in the spirit of "whatever works for you" do exist - to the point that some drivers like to hit the apex even earlier than the geometric ideal and then have the front end of the car slide towards the middle of the corner - but still, it would be strange if these concepts were alien or mixed up to a racing driver. I would assume that the sim racer they interviewed for this video either has some natural skill and is not necessarily too conscious or methodical on what he's doing, or even if he's winning races somewhere, there's still a lot of room for improvement.

  • @ariefbudi427
    @ariefbudi427 Рік тому +3

    Finally guys, American find out how CORNER IS!!!!!!

  • @Kinemaniacs
    @Kinemaniacs 4 місяці тому

    Helpful information. Thank you !

  • @kiwi2257
    @kiwi2257 Рік тому

    Incredible video, great work!

  • @you8102
    @you8102 Рік тому +4

    Vox dropping a video like no one has heard of a racing line before

    • @Game_Hero
      @Game_Hero Рік тому

      I didn't. Not everyone is knowledgeable in car racing terms like you.

  • @seshadhri_s
    @seshadhri_s Рік тому +4

    Baku in Azerbaijan has 90 degree corners at turns 1, 2 and 3.

  • @matt5721
    @matt5721 Рік тому

    There could not be a better time to get into this sport
    The technical stuff makes it so interesting.
    The Chain Bear UA-cam channel is excellent at explaining that kind of thing in very ready to understand terms

  • @The_Opinion_of_Matt
    @The_Opinion_of_Matt Рік тому +1

    Good video. As someone who has done a bit of legal organized competitive driving with the SCCA in the past I got more out of this than I expected. Specifically the entry line to Luffield at Silverstone. I only driven Silverstone in video games, but on Brooklands I always attempt to take a late apex on what is already a decreasing radius corner in order to setup the entry to Luffield. Now I know I don't need to be that commited to that line.

    • @waty0usay1
      @waty0usay1 Рік тому

      Seems like you're not a very good driver then.

  • @TheOtherNeutrino
    @TheOtherNeutrino Рік тому +3

    "strategy"
    Ferrari: Let's put hard compound tyres after struggling to properly fire up new mediums on a cold track.

  • @R2WatchingTetris
    @R2WatchingTetris Рік тому +3

    Brad is so good at explaining this stuff! I love his channel too

  • @krys42091
    @krys42091 Рік тому

    As a recent fan of F1, I'm a huge fan of this sort of content 😁

  • @adamklod7745
    @adamklod7745 Рік тому

    Missed Apex Podcast and Vox Media fan here, delighted to see Brad Philpot on here! Cheers sir

  • @Real28
    @Real28 Рік тому +3

    F1 racers? LOL come on. Almost no one calls them that. They're drivers or pilots.

  • @broederschoolmemesv.2230
    @broederschoolmemesv.2230 Рік тому +10

    Latifi is the best in the sport btw, for the ones that dont watch

  • @Viviloo
    @Viviloo Рік тому

    On god more analysis type of channels getting into F1 is the best thing to come out of things like DTS and the new focus on media engagement

  • @ronaldoginting5799
    @ronaldoginting5799 Рік тому

    yay another F1 topics since Monaco, thank you Vox!

  • @Ericnorify
    @Ericnorify Рік тому +12

    Calling Nascar a big motorsport is pretty funny. It's basically only practiced in the US.

    • @rbnlenin
      @rbnlenin Рік тому +3

      Vox's audience is very American though. Maybe it's a way of connecting to their audience; like "Hey guys, you know Nascar right? Yeah, so F1 is really cool and has loads of corners, dope eh?"

    • @hanifhidayat39
      @hanifhidayat39 Рік тому

      @@rbnlenin yeah. its all abt marketing

  • @OGTalon
    @OGTalon Рік тому +3

    1:04 lol wut? NASCAR is the outlier, not the norm, most motorsport consists of tracks that aren't banked ovals. This is a good explanation of racing lines, but what makes F1 cars fast through corners is more about the aero and ground effects.

    • @AGthechampion
      @AGthechampion Рік тому +1

      True, the aero F1 cars have keeps them planted at high speeds, try do that with a regular car....

  • @DailyWireThirdStringer
    @DailyWireThirdStringer Рік тому

    As someone who just started playing _Gran Turismo 7_ on the PlayStation 5, this is all review for me. It couldn't have come at a better time. Thanks guys 😆

  • @clubsobri
    @clubsobri Рік тому

    Very good article. I enjoyed it. I was born in Mexixo, so I have been an F1 fan all my life. Once I saw Ayrton Senna drive once, I was hooked. The cars are beautiful. The spectacle with all the turns and the sound of the engines, is hypnotic. I'm gald to see a rebirth of the sport in the US. I have been able to attend several IndyCar races over the years. I hope to one day in the near future, be able to finally attend a F1 race. Maybe at the Circuit of the Amercas.

  • @zac7025
    @zac7025 Рік тому +4

    231 Mph is actually the fastest speed ever reached

    • @zzgaming29
      @zzgaming29 Рік тому

      235 (just over 378 kph) actually, by Bottas at Baku 2016, but that is an unofficial record because it was recorded after the speed trap.

  • @eshankaria7005
    @eshankaria7005 Рік тому +3

    U completely skipped over the fact that drivers take different racing lines to conserve and save their tires for longer, even if it means loosing a little bit of time, and depending on your tire strategy and whether your attacking or defending

    • @william280690
      @william280690 Рік тому

      This is just a 6:28 video :(

    • @eshankaria7005
      @eshankaria7005 Рік тому

      @@william280690 Yaa but it's too important a part to completely skip, if u don't have time to fully explain it, atleast mention it for like 30 seconds

  • @nathyatta
    @nathyatta Рік тому +1

    I remember wondering as a kid why cars started so wide and ended wide on a corner. I think I just came to realise myself, perhaps when I started driving. Such an interesting video. Just some of these basic concepts of sport are never really talked about and should be more!

  • @EmilySmirleGURPS
    @EmilySmirleGURPS Рік тому +1

    Thanks for showing the GFX folks working in Blender at the end :)