How to send high-res audio from a Bluray/SACD/DVD player to a DAC via HDMI
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- In this video we explore three solutions to send the high-resolution PCM and DSD digital signal coming from your CD, DVD, SACD, Blu-ray player to your DAC through HDMI to I2S or SPDIF.
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Thank you for the tip regarding the HDMI to I2S converter. This small investment made my Oppo 95 relevant for the near future. Using with an Audio-GD R7HE Mk3 dac with no connection issues. Opened the door to enhanced enjoyment of SACD, Blu-ray, & DVD audio formats. All the best.
You are very welcome!
Which one did you get. I couldn't find the one on Amazon...🤔
Neither do I!
Can anybody find it online?
I have used the same box as shown and this solution between my Oppo 105D and Pontus 2 dac .. it works and sounds better than the SPDIF connections direct from the Oppo 105 to the Pontus dac.
There are a couple of points to note .. I2S does not have a standard for the pin allocations .. so dacs like the Pontus 2 which has the ability to alter the pins via selection on the front panel is a must. The Oppo 105D & the Pontus 2 connection over I2S was easy as the default pins allocation worked .. but other players/dacs my be different.
Use the shortest hdmi cables that you can .. I used 30cm cables and use a reasonable quality cable.
Also note that on my box and as mentioned on other sites on the web this box reverses the channel balance for SACD discs .. I tested this by listening to a hybrid cd/sacd and noted that this in fact happened. So my solution was to get a cable made with balanced ends from the pontus 2 to two RCA input ends into my intergrated amp .. one being made reversed .. Snake Oil cable USA .. this cable is mentioned on the Denafrips web site.
So now it all works fine .. I just have to change the input selection on my amp when I play a SACD to get the correct stereo balance.
Hope this information helps
Interesting, thanks for sharing that!
At that time I did that using an HDMI Extractor from Oehlbach. Worked well. Now I use the optical output from the TV to send the signals to the Dac. The eternal plugging in was annoying. For the PC and then to the Dac via USB I have the Portable Pioneer Blurayplayer BDR-XD07. A fantastic player.
The problem with this is.. it switched channel... (hdmi-I2s converter) left become the right channel vice versa
I have the OPPO BDP 83 and of course the format wars drive me nuts. Cannot stand those copyright software encryptions.
Buy an HDMI pre-pro or receiver and enjoy stereo and multi/channel SACD. The only issue is digitally recording SACD to get the music into computer library; but, what’s the point of that? To play that file from whatever music player is on your computer requires about 16 actions no matter how you are getting the files out of the computer to DAC: usb, S/PDIF, or HDMI. It’s much more convenient to play SACDs via a Sony Universal Player’s HDMI output to an HDMI Pre-Pro or A/V Receiver, especially multichannel, which needs bass management.
Hello, based on your explanation you said that we must connect the HDMI cable to the output of my blurry to the input of my HMDI/I2S Converter, and then another HDMI cable from the output of the converter to the DAC input. However, as you also mentioned not all the DAC has HMDI input connection, so I will have to connect from the output of the converter either a SPDIF or Coaxial cable to the DAC input, if this is the case, are we going to lose quality in the sound? I have the MOON 280D DAC. Thanks for your response.
Please, any response to my question? Thanks.
Sorry, I was away for work. No, you can't do that if you want to use also dsd. Otherwise you can just use directly spdif
Hi is simple but is confusing still don't understand as I have the same doubts as him. Is it possible for you to give us a step by step.
1)Do we connect directly from the converter to tv hdmi arc input or connect hdmi output from bluray/media player ti converter input
2) what is the next step when our dac does not has hdmi arc connection
3) Do we have to set pcm audio from the TV or we able to use back multipass/bypass to enjoy dtx etc cinematic audio formats
I’m assuming this will won’t work with surround sound discs?
Of course it will. All digital signals, stereo and multichannel PCM and DSD.
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Does this device also make blu ray hi res audio playable through a DAC (Denefrips Pontus II)?
If we are talking I2S, yes
HI thanks a lot for your video i would like to know i have a sony ubp x700 blu ray player with a coaxial exit in your opinion i can connect with coaxial cable direct to dac ? thanks a lot
Yes, but high-res audio is probably going to be blocked
Can I connect Sony UBD-X200M2 player with Denon AVR-X2700 h using third solution to get SACD playing?
If it has a HDMI out and the other a I2s input yes with this box
Saludos!! Deberías hacer alguno de tus videos en español
Ola! Posso farli in italiano ma non in spagnolo, mi dispiace! :-)
I downloaded a 840MB dsd file ....put it on flash drive and stick it in the Panasonic DP-UB420 player in played it through my Yamaha TSR-700 reciever....connected via HDMI cable.... and the reciever was displaying 88.2 Khz Sampling Rate!
Does this mean that I was actually listening to DSD using my 4k uhd player and Yamaha receiver?
It means that it converted it to PCM
@@anadialog so in other words... am I doing it right... or in order to really feel the differences it has to be done differently?
It means that you are not listening to the real native signal, DSD. You need a different connection to bypass the security restrictions with I2s for example or, RJ42
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So, I don’t understand. You ave an oppo 105. Why not just use “split a/v”, then hook hdmi 2 (doesnt work on hdmi 1) to your a/v processor, set SACD to DSD, hit play... and voila! What am i missing?
DSD and high-res will not go through in most cases. In any case, the point is to use a high quality external DAC, which are not found in a/v processor.
@@anadialog - ahhhh.... i got ya... makes sense.
Im fortunate that my pre/pro does DSD.
(i guess i just thought it was as common as DTS, DD, PCM, WAV....etc.)
I don't have a separate DAC just for my optical discs. What quality am i missing out on?
(currently i have the oppo 105 hdmi 2 / switched / DSD set up going to my Pre/Pro which plays back the track. (info screen shows DSD).
If you have time...thoughts?
The Oppo is great but should try an external DAC for top performance and if, for example you use high-res streaming services, then you need one for sure. To start off one of those Topping or SMSL are pretty good for the price.
@@anadialog - great information... thanks. Let me look into the separate DAC, then.
No streaming on this end... just tons of SACD, XR CDs... and such. A good number of FLAC files on a drive as well.
I’ll swing back and let you know how I fared
Thanks again.
Wow somebody else said super audio cd how tall is only one that had one
I have a Yamaha receiver/amp which says in the tech specs supports DSD decoding and also has HDMI input of course. If I were to get hold of a DVD player that supports outputting DSD over HDMI e.g. Pioneer DV-610AV would that be a simple way to get SACD playback using DSD?
I believe so!
You are trying to bypass SACD DSD stream and that’s not possible as you acknowledge…
With this box I am currently sending dsd to my dac via hdmi
Check this out man, DENAFRIPS IRIS!
I'm looking into one, how would i get i2s from Iris with this device in the video, if my dac ARES II doesn't have i2s?
A question for someone.. i2s connection at the cd transport end. Then the converter box. Then onto the dac in amp with no i2s capability. Can you still get sacd playback with phono from the converter box ? Many thanks..
The box in the video is mainly used to transform the digital signal traveling on the HDMI cable into a I2S protocol to capable DACS. If your DAC is integrated into the amp but it does not have I2S capabilities you should try using the HDMI port, if you have one, and fiddle around with settings. Otherwise DSD cannot travel on anything else (for now) besides USB.
Here is the lossless solutiond to bring SACD data to your DAC (I did this with all my SACD):
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50 dollars are cheap for you?
That doesn’t mean anything. It’s what you get with $50 that counts and yes, being finally able to send my DSD signal of my SACD out via HDMI to an external DAC just gave new life to them. A bargain!
Could this i2S extractor box be used to run a Notebook with Audirvana as a source? using HDMI output from the Notebook to the extractor box and from the i2S output to the DAC?
I am pretty sure you can. What counts is the signal and the type of cable then the magic box will convert it!
@@anadialog Thanks for the prompt response !!
I just bought a cheapo (£230) Sony X700 BD player/transport and that outputs DSD via HDMI lead. You have to manually select it but it is there so it's great for SACD & BD-Audio but doesn't play DVD-Audio for some reason.
Difficult topic; see no universal solution applied everywhere. Recent research shows me one product: Universal Optical Disk Player (REAVON UBR-X110; transport only); seems to support everything; and has output ports USB and HMDI-audio. Which might work with Yamaha R-N1000A (series), which allows as input USB-DAC and HDMI-audio. Need a review to verify this bridge works and how much hi-res bits are received by DAC Yamaha. In theory accepts hi-res music via USB-DAC from a computer (exists windows-driver).
FIX: the Reavon rear USB works as input, not as output.
I just bought a Sony X700 bluray player and on the back it has to HDMI, one is labeled HDMI audio only. I am running to RCA cables to my stareo from Musou 4K HDMI Audio Extractor,HDMI to HDMI + Optical Toslink(SPDIF) + RCA(L/R) Stereo Analog Outputs Video Audio Splitter Converter Support 4k 1080P,Black . My Sony player said it is DSD 2.8 MHZ and also has the disc display that says SACD. It does not tell me it is converting this to PCM. Any ideas?
I have the same problem...
What sort of moronic standards person uses a standard HDMI cable for different io levels, because they were scratching about for a cable? The days of RCA jacks being used for every audio type connections, irrespective of input, output or levels are long gone. But in those old days everyone was aware of differences with the same look connector.
If its HDMI then its HDMI if its not then use a new cable interconnect system. Seems the modern overpriced audio people are just greedy so and sos. Not really interested in anything other than their own sales.
Industry standards Ha. My product is above industry any standards they think.
Personalmente no me gusta mucho usar dispositivos intermedios como extractores o conmutadores pues en la mayoría de casos generan jitter y las fluctuaciones añadidas degradan mucho la señal, dependiendo de la implementación del dispositivo emisor si esta es de buena calidad puede que no entre dentro del rango audible pero en la mayoría de casos las implementaciones SPDIF de los dispositivos como consolas o TVs no son lo suficientemente buenas y se termina degradando mucho la señal, en el caso de los conmutadores hay buenas y malas implementaciones, una buena implementación en un conmutador puede ser con la utilización de un transceptor como el WM8805 y el uso de un resonador de cristal para generar un reloj limpio que mejore la señal, en este caso incluso se puede mejorar la señal original, por desgracia muy pocos dispositivos tienen una implementación así
True but sometimes it's the only solution
Find an old PS3 model CECHA01 (B,C or E) at a pawn shop with firmware 4.8 or lower.Install OtherOS + sacd-ripper + PS3 KEYS and you're in business.Rip all your sacd's to ISO (dff ,dsf) and finally be able to play these files on your new dac !
How about Oppo Audiocom 105d vs SONY CDP-X7ESD ???
Your links dont work, i bought aon and it doesn't work with my Sony X800mk2 to my ps audio dac
Always bitstream SACD/DSD 5.1 hdmi to hdmi AV Receiver. SACD/DSD 2.0 dmi to hdmi AV Receiver to Stereo 2.2. Normal CD over hdmi to 2.2 in AV Receiver is better than use RC analog or fiber/coax. But the AV Receiver must have good DAC/internal setup :) Hdmi has great bandwidth and is noiseless - true digital from source to DAC. I use Pioneer LX800 UHD player for the CD's.
Hey, I’m thinking of a similar setup. Does the LX800 output DSD over HDMI? And then the receiver supports DSD decoding? Seems a simple way to solve the problem.
@@beer_goggler Hi, Yes, if it is setup in bitstream output mode.
Thanks for the tips..!!! The audio extractor & IIS are really good... The extractor u said that didnt work for is may because of the channels that the HDMI is actually carrying and the extractor is giving out to the DAC..!!! I think most of the DACs we use for hifi are stereo support only (2 channels) unlike the separate decoders that are available in AV receivers...
For instance i always wanted to use my chord hifi dac for surround movies( i prefer to watch in headphones) but it wont do it.. which in other words to get the desired 3D effect that particular encoding is to supported by the DACs too...
Anyway do u know any such devices which can really simulate that surround effect into stereo components like Headphones unlike just throwing the surround channels to the left and right of the headphones..!! (thats what yamaha AV reciever silent cinema does)
Thank you for introducing a very reasonable method (from Korea)
I have the old Oppo BDP-83 player, I am using it as a transport for my SACDs and of course, could not get the native DSD signal to my Denafrips Ares II DAC, which was a bummer, as I don't care much for the Oppo internal DAC... So, what to do?
I bought the GeerFab D.BOB (Digital Break Out Box). Pricey at $1000 US, but it works. I tried one of the Chinese models with no luck, so I pulled the trigger on this ridiculously priced GeerFab unit. Was it worth it?
Hell yes! I now get that native DSD signal out to my Ares II DAC, and what a game changer. Everything sounds better in a good clean and clear natural way. Even the normal CD recordings sound more detailed, tightened up with deeper bass and clear midrange, the female voice sounds incredible, even on ripped recordings of a questionable source.
I noticed the difference in sound quality immediately upon adding it into my system. The bass was really brought to a new level, as were the instruments, there was noticeable separation in a good way, I believe the way the engineer intended it to sound. Everything was just better, and it is all done in an unadulterated way.
If you have an above average system I would recommend this pricey alternative. That is, if you are a plug and play and then forget about it kind of guy or gal. If your goal is to simply get a clean DSD recording directly to your DAC and had no luck with cheaper alternatives, get this box if you can afford it. If you enjoy ripping files and playing around with computer gear, and have the time to do all of that, I would pass and stick to what you are doing.
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Does it need to be a dedicated "audio" HDMI out or will just a HDMI output work? Thank you!
A normal HDMI out will do because the signal always carries video and audio unless you have special functions limiting one or the other. For example my oppo can split the signals.
I bought a sony DVD/cd/sacd player to get into sacd for cheap. I have a topping e30 dac. The player has hdmi output, the dac does not have i2s. Is my best option for connection to just use the analog outputs on the Sony? Or would I be able to use an audio extractor to coax or optical? Does coax and optical not transmit dsd? Any help and suggestion is appreciated. Thanks.
Nope, you can send up to 24bit/192khz via SPDIF (I.e. coax, tosling) DSD can't go that way, only I2s. That was the main purpose of the video. So when you are using SACD just use the inner converter of the Sony and perhaps upgrade in the future to a DAC with more inputs.
Thanks for the response. Love the videos.
Thank you for pointing out this device, very useful indeed,. If I may a quick question, on the Oppo audio settings for HDMI output do you have it set to Auto, Bitstream or PCM, Many thanks and all the best for your Chanel
PCM!
the signal from the cdmi had already be transform by the CD player DAC... no real advantage over the CD track over a very good day....isn't????
That is the whole purpose of the video and the box. Send the DIGITAL signal to an external DAC.
Thank you for your great video!
Do you know if the I2S converter works with Blu-Ray DTS-HD movies via Coaxial? That is to say in 24 bits 192 KHz and bypassing the restrictions of cinema audio standards?
THANKS !!!
All standards and resolution, if accepted by the HDMI format, will go through it and converted to I2S in the box!
I bought one of these for my Oppo blu ray player to connect to my DAC and now it is the only player I use for CDs.
Will the converter output sacd dsd through the optical and coaxial outputs? I was thinking of buying the denafrips ares ii, but it doesn't have a i2s input.
Sadly no, only I2s. The problem is that SPDIF can't carry other than PCM.
@@anadialog What about the USB output on the hdmi converter? Will the converter output dsd through the USB out?
@@hurkamur1 Nop
My Sony Blu Ray only has a hdmi audio out, however my DAC only accepts DSD through the usb c connection. Any idea how to connect hdmi to USB c. All the cables and converters I can find only proceed video in that direction
A lot of people are in your condition but unfortunately there is no solution that I know about
I am hoping you can help with this question. I am using a Gustard U18 to run into my Gustard R26 via I2S (going with your recommendation of the Ricable). do you have any suggestions on a cable (USB A to USB B ) running my Bluesound node into the U18, Also any suggestions on XLR cables to run from the R26 into my Yamaha A-S2100
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Sadly My external Teac DAC which is two times DSD for those files does not have a HDMI 12s input I have OPPO 103 player which I send the SACDS and DVD audios through HDMI to my AVR receiver . Another format that only plays on OPPO machines are HRX DVD-R from Reference recordings I send that out to my TEAC UD501 DAC SPDIF input Coaxial. It displays 176.4 sample rate at 32bit. PCM hi res . One day ill purchase the right DAC to do this but as of now the player itself would have to decode it or the AVR which has DSD single rate built in. Good video on this I "m glad I saw it.
True! I forgot about HRX! Thanks for pointing that out.
Very useful as this is what I am looking to do to give SACD a try at low cost. My DAC has DSD capability (over I2S), so it looks like your converter is the solution. However, taking a step back, I am not clear at the moment how the manufacturers of the Bluray players anticipate the DSD over HDMI output to be used, if it is not compatible with I2S?
They didn't and that is why we can do this. They never thought that someone could have extrapolated the highbres PCM and DSD signal from the HDMI cable, which in the past was used only for video + audio for the TV. No copyright protection there, but you need a different protocol to accept that signal in a DAC. Hence I2S. That is, at least, how 8 understand the situation.
@@anadialog Thanks!
The easiest and least effort way to enjoy DSD or high-res audio file via an stand alone DAC is to buy music files and to play by streamer, e.g. Raspberry Pi. Extract DSF files from a SACD is an option too.
By the way, I2S port pins assignment is not standard.
Good luck
Hi Mike, I am new here! Wanted to ask you a couple of questions! First have you heard of a Synchro Mesh Relocker by Empirical Audio! Reduces Jitter etc. Also I am using a Ayon CD player as a Transport now with a Berkeley DAC I just got! With the Ayon I can run as just Transport which I am doing now! Also I can run the Ayon with the Analog Outs also running through the Recloker Unit! Both sound great but I am not sure the CD player by itself with the Synchro Mesh Relocker has the dynamics that the DAC does!My Ayon is wonderful but now with the Berkeley running to the CD Transport only I am testing to see which I like!
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No I haven't heard about that. I'll check it out, thanks. Nice combo there for your silver discs!
Hi
Great explanation but I'm still confused.
I plan on hooking up my Yamaha blue ray player (24/ 192 DAC) to my Yamaha av receiver via HDMI.
The receiver has built in DAC ( all channels) 24/192.
Would I still need one of these HDMI -I2S converter in the signal path?
I'm only interested in audio only SACD from the blue ray player, ie 2 channel
Thanks
If you are using an external DAC it must have an hdmi or I2S input. If you are using the player no need for anything. Just hook up the analog rca cables to your preamp or integrated amp.
So don't use HDMI, analog out (RCA) into one of the receivers RCA inputs.
And I will have the best possible sound?
I came to this video lead by the answer of ana(dia)logue under another video. So i can't understand what is all this persuit for dsd and so much ado about nothing. BECAUSE OF TWO VERY IMPORTANT REASONS:
First and more important is that when you listen dsd files are you sure that they are dsd? No, they are not native dsd recordings in 99.999% of the cases unless it is specifically stated on the label of the media bearer. Please correct me if i am wrong. Almost always all these recordings are converted pcm. It might be 24/768 or even 1536 but it still is pcm. I say again please give me examlples for that i am not right and i will be very grateful. Because i am going to give you the following example: Eric Clapton's "Unplugged" (1990 or 1992 don't remember) CD version is one of the best recordings ever both musically and technically. It is good enough to test you hifi equipent. But it is recorded on 16/44.1 pcm machine strictly under the CD redbook. So if you buy the SACD version you get dsd file but with normal CD resolution and limitations. Proven by independent laboratory. Another example - this time where the dsd file will play better than the CD is Bryan Adams' "Waking up the neighbours". Original record is made on a Sony 22 bit machine (don't remember the sampling frequency) and though the SACD format can reveal the full potential of the master copy it still is multibit pcm recording. Maybe nowadays the AI will give musical industry abilities to upscale old poor recordings and make them perfectly sounding....i don't know but still waiting this to happen.
And the second and less important reason is that sources which can directly output dsd and dsf via hdmi, i2s or other standards.... ironically they just don't need to do it because they are ultra expensive hi end gear and their dacs are supposed to be better than any other external dacs on the market. 😂
Hi again, glad you followed my suggestion. I agree that most SACD come from PCM, which is one of the reasons why I am not a fan of the medium. There are jazz albums that were recorded in DSD like the initial ones from Chesky records. The answer to your last part of the comment is no, the internal DAC isn’t necessarily that good. The one is my modified Oppo is very good and in fact Ibusedbit for many years but now with my T+A D200 I have reached a totally different level of quality.
@@anadialog Thanks for answering. When i spoke about built-in high end dacs i meant companies like dcs, ch precision etc. Anyway i checked specs of your T+A, it looks rather serious machine and regarding it one final question. Considering it is Delta/Sigma is it better in pcm conversion specifically compared to Holo May which is R2R?
Another great video, thank you. Quick question, I have the Oppo 105D and a Denefrips Ares II dac. The dac does not have an HDMI or I2S port. If I follow your advice, if I connect the converter to the dac via coaxial, will there be any sq drop off playing sacd? Cheers.
Unfortunately DSD cannot go through coax (spdif) that's why a lot of people are using I2S or HDMI. In newer connections DSD64 can go via SPDIF as DoP but you need to ask Denafrips of their convert will accept dsd via coax.
Most players like the Oppo have a separate audio hdmi output enabling you to separately access their video signal if relevant such as Blu-ray audio music video movie discs. And yes hdmi Audi out on the Oppo is not IIS
Otdered one. Thank you.
Hello, it looks like this i2s extractor is no more available on any marketplace... Can you find it anywhere? I'm in italy.Thanks
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My dac dosent have an hdmi output, is there another option to do this?
None! It’s a copyright protection workaround. Only other solution is to change DAC.
Hmmm…I have a Marantz SACD 30n. This unit is also an audio streamer via HEOS. The unit has two digital output connections on the back allowing you to bypass the internal Burr/Brown DAC. They are the usual optical and s/PDIF. I learned here why (THANKS) that my 30n sends only 16/44 to my external DAC from the CD player (SACD can only be processed by the internal Burr/Brown DAC), but it will send high resolution data via streaming over the same s/PDIF cable that I have coming from the back of the 30n which is then connected to my external DAC. Has anyone used the HDMI converter with a Marantz SACD 30n? I need help and guidance. Thanks.
You need a I2S output to send DSD. I see an RJ45 port but that should be only for incoming streaming data and it is not I2S from what I see in the manual.
@@anadialog oh…I know that there is no I2S on the rear of the unit…I thought perhaps you were going inside the device and heading the I2S off at the pass! 🙂 Thanks for the input…I thinks that I see a Pi2Design Mercury Streamer in my future!
what are the mode settings on this box. I received mine and tried without success to hook it up to my Oppo 203d which has an audio only hdmi port with no success. Any help would be appreciated.
I didn't do any mods. Just plug and play with my Oppo 105D. Try using both HDMI outputs and deselect the audio only feature. You must experiment. Where are you trying to send the I2S signal to?
@@anadialog Thanks for the reply. I am trying to send the signal from the little extractor box, as in your video the the denefrips ares II 12th.
Would me more universal by USB… no?
But Blu-ray multiformat players don’t have USB outputs for copyright protection. That is the whole point why we are chasing I2S or HDMI.
Thanks for the video!
I have some Edifier r2000db speakers (with built in amp) and I want to take out the signal from a Bluray with Coaxial output (my speakers only have RCA and Optical inputs). How can I do this without losing sound quality?
Lastly, do you think it's worth the hassle for listening hi-res audio on those speakers? I feel those speakers won't be up to the hi-res overall setting...
Hi, If you connect the blu ray player via spdif (rca) to your Edifiers you will have a decent CD quality but in PCM format. If you want to enjoy (as I did) Super Audio CDs, well you should upgrade to Edifier S3000Pro, with a decent DAC inside of them and with balanced inputs. I use a Sony UBP-X800M2 Blu Ray player as a mere cd transport, then I connected the dedicated HDMI (audio only output) to the "HDMI to I2S converter" and the I2S output connected to a S.M.S.L. DAC (external balanced DAC). Now I can enjoy the greatness of SACD with a affordable cost, without spending thousands of euros buyng a SACD hi-end player. Enjoy!
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It's pronounced spidif
I am Italian so I mispronounce several words. Sorry about that.
My Panasonic bluray is plugged via hdmi to my tv, and then from there, toslink s/pdif to my dac
Apart from the fact that you can't send DSD that way (maybe it doesn't read SACD) but my advise is to use another output if present directly connected to the DAC. TVs are extremely polluted and will degrade the sound.
@@anadialog Right, that's what I suspected. Thanks.
Thanks for the video!! What DAC are you using? It gives you a bit perfect ? A standard HDMI cable will works? Regards!!
I am using the Holo Audio May DAC Kitsune edition. Yes, a normal HDMI cable works.
I don't have any constructive input regarding your allergies or beard and sweater... so I'll just say thanks for the informative video.
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Great Video. I have an OPPO 203 and I just purchased the Cayin IDAC 6 MKII with an I2s input. I bought one of those hdmi I2s DSD extractors from overseas and it works, but there is static background noise. Any ideas on another route i can go? The MFR of my DAC does provide the I2s pin definition, but I'm not sure if this is needed?
Thanks!
Did tou try to use the audio only function for the HDMI output?
@@anadialog Do you mean on the Oppo? If so, yes I did.
I get audio through the DAC and the DAC says it's outputting DSD, but with music playback there is background static noise.
Just look out for the HDMI I2s Definitions of different manufacturers. It really annoys me sometimes, wish we could have a standard definition, for example the PS Audio one.
Indeed!
Best and least expensive route to enjoy DSD Stereo SACD output is Sony UBP-X800M2 HDMI output to Marantz NR1200 Receiver, utilizing the receiver as a preamp, Total cost about$1000.
Hey,
thank you for your great video. I have the Oppo BDP105D, and the i2s converter box plugged in to my Pontus II using hdmi - to I2s. It works fine with DSD, but DVD-A and BD audio is only output as 48 regardless of resolution, is there a work around?
+1
I also have the Oppo 105D and Pontus II, would like to know the answer to this as well! I have an email in with Denafrips, I will follow up with their reply.
@@sully1296 thank you!
Would love to work with you with some DACs and Players my company carries. Tried sending you an email but it appears you haven't read them
Ah, I THINK I've got it! (sorry to post on multiple videos of yours, but I'm sure you'll get it) I found a program that extracts dsf files from SACD ISO's, which is what I primarily have, lots of them. I checked my MusicBee player that plays losslessly over USB directly to the DAC bypassing the Windows OS and all volume controls to see if it can play dsf files, and it can! So, I run over to the DAC and look at the screen and it is showing Hi Res 88.2 Does that sound right...? (*PLEASE* say 'yes'! 😁)
That is a PCM conversion of a DSD64 signal...if you want to play what is on the SACD it must stay in DSD!
@@anadialog Yep, you are right! (as usual 😊) As per the post I just left on your other video, I did figure out how to play the DSD from the ISOs! 😁
@@anadialog Also too, I think I found out that with the WASABI driver (I know it's not spelled like that, but it's close) you can only output DoP. You need to use the Asio driver to get true DSD.
I wonder if anyone has attempted to use PS Audio's PerfectWave SACD Transport with non-PS Audio DACs that have the I2S input?
I like every clip you ever did !!
It bothers me that SONY "invented" DSD and allows SACD playing on most of their Blu-Ray players. Yet they (SONY) do NOT make or market their own DSD/DAC that can be used directly with the Sony BR player. They COULD market a consumer & pro-sumer DAC optimized for their own transports and even have different models and price points. It's almost as if SONY itself now wants the DSD/SACD format to die on the vine after pushing it out in the early days (2005-2007). I have a small collection of SACD's, but my 1st gen SONY player (circa 2005) is due for an upgrade. I stopped purchasing SACD's a few years ago for this reason.
Very good from Pioneer UDP - LX 500
Thanks for the feedback!
Simple solution: buy used Sony bdp s 790, I buy one for 50 euros and on the back you have separate HDMI for digital audio only, coaxial and optical digital out and analog out, all off this audio extraction from high res audio source is made by internal factory fited DAC. I use this Sony bl.ray.palyer mostly for AudioCD playback, internal DAC of this Sony is state of the art. High res audio? How high audio can go in any case, just enjoy good music.
First things first. Oppo is still making high quality transport mechanisms for digital discs and my understanding is that it will continue to do so into the future. I have recently decided to buy a PS Audio Memory Player and DirectStream DAC and if you buy the two you can enjoy native I²S connectivity between them, so that all the clock, power supply and data lines are kept separate throughout rather than being multiplexed as with SPDIF. I'm hoping to have the units by Christmas.
I don't know what you are referring to but Oppo bluray players have been out of production for several years now.
@@anadialog I was referring to just the transport mechanism; that is, laser assembly and means of loading a disc, controlling the tray movement etc. No electronics. However a friend of mine now thinks that PS Audio might be obtaining the mechanisms from Denon-Marantz, but the video I saw definitely mentioned Oppo. I must also correct my comment about I²S as I don't think power supplies are involved - just the various clock signals and the digital audio data kept separate from one another.
Do Sony players send out SACD/DSD signal via hdmi?
I don't know but I suppose so.
My BDP-S370 and S580 Sony Blu-Ray players do. You have to change it in the audio menu to bitstream DSD. Once set on the player my Yamaha receiver DSD light comes on and sounds great.
i have an unmodified 103 and bought 2 Kana Pro like devices. they do not work. waste of money there is another product on the market fo that is geared toward audiophiles. it is listed in Stereophile recommended components. it is called the Gear Fab and list for $999
Very interesting video and tips to connect a sacd player to a dac. I have a question : using a hdmi to i2s adapter playing a sacd you send a pcm or a Dsd 64 to the dac ? Thanks
DSD, that is why you need the box!
@@anadialog Interested by this video and having some sacds at home I tried connecting the small hdmi-> i2s converter to a basic Sony SACD blue ray player. Magic! The player actually sends via HDMI a DSD 64 signal which is then converted to i2s to the dac a sabaj d5. There was one detail, however, that was necessary for everything to work. Connecting the hdmi->i2s converter directly to the dac not only didn't show anything on the TV, but the audio signal to the dac couldn't get through either. I thought the reason for this might be either a fault in the Sony blu-ray player (and I still believe that part of the problem lies with the blu-ray player) or that the HDMI output of the Sony wasn't sending enough power to feed the converter. On the first reason I unfortunately cannot yet comment, not having tried a player of the same model , but on the second reason I am almost certain that, regardless of a possible defect in the player, that it was not sending enough power to the Dac and the TV. Adding an external power supply to the 5volt socket to supply power to the hdmi-i2s converter, the TV magically showed video signals and the dac received DSD audio signals. I wanted to send you my experience as it can hopefully be useful to many others. Thanks for giving me the idea! Thanks Anadialog!
If you have an Oppo 95/105/205, save your money the DACs inside are pretty much state of the art.
If you have an older player or one without a truly high quality DAC (anything that can play the format) and just send the bits to an external DAC.
The real exception might be if you want to stay digital to do some Room Correction or other signal alternation, like advanced bass management.
Outputting from the great DAC's of the likes of the Oppo's to high quality analogue, to then go through a ADC to do the minipulaiton which will almost always need to be done digitally, and then back through that devices DAC back to analogue, out to your pre/power amps.
Each conversion form DAC -> ADC -> DAC may introduce noticeable artifacts or reduce dynamic range, raise the noise floor etc.
There are a few stereo receivers/preamps/integrated amps that take HDMI or Stereo HDMI DACs that take HDMI, but not all support SACD, generally only PCM.
In those cases the quality of converting from DSD to PCM inside your player and then sending them to the DAC is maybe an area for debate, and may happen automatically/transparently when using HDMI.
The same with playing multichannel tracks, DD/DTS encoded or otherwise to a stereo HDMI DAC (that are without the required codecs), down conversion or just playing an available stereo track may be happening automatically from the player.
You mention one of the issues i'm currently having. I was using a McIntosh MX150 preamp for it's RoomPerfect correction, but it's always doing converting on every input including analog. I have a Denafrips Ares II that i can tell doesn't sound the same connected to the MX150. The analog sound of the r2r dac is gone. It doesn't sound bad at all, but sounds more digital.
So i am testing a Pathos Cinema X all analog tube preamp. Obviously from here, i can just keep my Ares II or upgrade to I2S dac and use the Denafrips Iris and i'll have full i2s set up(PC music only).
I am not sure i want to go this route due to reliability. Macs are tanks and last forever. If i were to add a ModWright Tube modded Oppo 105 to the MX150, do you think that could overcome the digital conversions inside the MX150 before returning to analog signal and give me that analog sound i seek?
Thanks
@@HailKingCeezer I don't know anything about analogue was digital sound, nor tubes.
The stock audiophile oppos were both well regarded, well reviewed and when their analogue outputs were analysed the output they gave had higher fidelity (I. E. Analogue Output was much closer to the digital input) than any multichannel receiver or processor you can pretty much buy.
So I wouldn't see the need to mod them, any addition would likely be marginal and there is a risk of deminising the the thing it already does so well.
The only downside to using the oppo for its DACs either direct to power amps or a preamp that is entirely in the analogue domain, is depending on the oppo it is a source device only and doesn't have inputs, so any features e.g. room correction etc that aren't already in the oppo may be missed.
The lower sound quality of other equipment may be traded off for ease of use, quality of life or room correction having a larger positive effect even with a lower fidelity base over a much higher base with stock sound that the room destroys.
Of course ultimately it's your money and your device/hobby if you find something sounds better to you go for it.
@@garethbarber3806 The MX150 was a 12k machine when it came out so i'm sure the DAC is of good quality, but i don't know the details. It sounds good to me, but clearly having an influence on my external DAC. It's making my HDMI 8ch analog DAC sound better, but it's making my Denafrips Ares II sound less r2r analog and more like the digital, but clean sound of the MX150. It's making both dacs sound like it's built in DAC whether connected via multi channel analog or balanced XLR.
Do you think i would be better off selling any external DAC, and investing in a DDC like the Denafrips Gaia or Iris to take my PC usb, clean the signal and convert to-say AES into the McIntosh MX150(no usb digital in) and just give the built in DAC of the MX150 the best sound i can give it?
The Pathos 6ch Analog Tube Pre i have on loan is clearly of better quality for music. Far superior solid state amp and the tube pre makes all my digital music sound pleasant combined with the r2r dac. The issue is, i integrate movies. the MX150 with room perfect sounds far superior for movies-and not too bad at all with music-just more digital which my Klipsch speakers sometimes don't like. The Mac is much more reliable and easy to repair. This Pathos already needed costly repair, shipped to NY from Tx. Akready showing me a problem with the digital numbers. The Tube's also heat up my small room and make it uncomfortably hot, The Mac stays relatively cool in comparison.
Sorry for the rant, i'm just searching every avenue toward a satisfactory best of both worlds situation-and i dont' want to spend unnecessary money. Thanks.
I think I find it easier with the computer DVD drive player and out VIA USB and thru your DAC USB port
I don't know is the best choice but I use an old Xtreamer sidewinder 2, with a 1tb hard drive, can read 5.1 Flac files and DVD Audio ISO files and get up to 24/192 sound via hdmi to a Yamaha amplifier.
My understanding: the HDMI which has been used extensively in the A/V world will only provide at max, CD quality "digital" audio. It will never provide the DSD layer from a multi-format player where the HDMI out is a digital composite of audio and video signal. The only players that have a dedicated i2S output (which can be either HDMI cable based or CAT wire based) that can output the full DSD layer from a Super Audio CD must incorporate both an encryption that matches the decription on the DAC side. This was achieved early on by PS Audio with their CD player/transport. If you look at their current $6K SACD player, you will noticed that their i2S output only works with their own DAC,-thats because the encryption has to be maintained from the transport to the DAC, this is the agreement that was made with Sony in order to allow for the DSD layer to even leave a transport. All of the various converters that you've mentioned are only different ways of converting and moving the same low res audio format that you'd get from Toslink or SPDIF outputs of CD players.
Incorrect. HDMI carries quad rate DSD from my Sony SACD player via HDMI to my Bryston BDA-3 DAC without any converters or other additional hardware. The current line of Sony players (700,800,900) all have HDMI video AND audio outputs. A suitable DAC like the BDA-3 that has HDMI inputs will receive that signal with the only requirement being an HDMI cable. This is why I chose the Bryston. I also feed the BDA-3 via HDMI from my PC. Same deal. The issue of CD quality HDMI out from most multi format lies in the source; the SACD player. If not licensed for high res output by Sony, as most multi format players are will rely on the DSD signal being converted to CD quality by the player’s internal DAC. It’s not a limitation of HDMI not being able to carry the signal. HDMI carries DSD fine with no need for repeaters up to something like 30 or 40 feet. The limitation comes from the manufacturer not paying Sony their fee for the proprietary tech that enables the player to output DSD legally. Patent & copy rite BS.
@@gregNFL looking at the spec for both the Bryston and the latest batch of Sony' CD/DVD/SACD players one doesn't get the full picture . Even if Bryston is getting 4x DSD it is still not getting straight i2s from the Sony players - that requires an i2S input and Bryston does not appear to have any.. The HDMI will send hi-res audio, higher than a CD(I stand corrected), but I wonder whether its the true DSD layer of the SACD. I'm curious, when you play a regular CD only(not SAD) on your Sony player and select the HDMI input, does your Bryston show that its decoding a DSD signal?
I can guarantee that with the box i presented in the video a pure DSD64 signal reaches my DAC and in fact, as I have shown in the video, the DAC distinguishes the signal from PCM and DSD coming from my Oppo via HDMI.
@@HoomanR17 The Bryston gets pure DSD from Sony’s proprietary technology via HDMI. I2S not relevant. If a CD redbook signal is sent to the Bryston it is received 44/16 but I use a higher quality transport for CD. Other manufacturers have the ability to use the Sony DSD tech but have to pay Sony licensing fees for the privilege. There is reluctance to do that apparently because the common work-around is I2S. PS Audio a good example of that. I lament the Sony of old. When they had actual Sony Stores in the wild they were peak Sony and made some really good kit. They are a mere shell of their former self in todays audiophile world. To attest, check the used market for prices on early Sony SACD & CD players. Astounding. Technics is making a re-entry to hifi and I hope Sony does too. I’d line to get a Sony DSD capable player with more attention paid to the transport. The 700-900 players are not well built but they do send pure DSD. Hope that helps.
@@anadialog Did some digging and I feel I have as many questions as I have answers. You may have seen this video by Paul McGowan of PSAudio .. here is the link ua-cam.com/video/wzu9ZURrUX8/v-deo.html .. Here you'll see that Paul is stating that their SACD transport and that of DCS, perhaps others by now, allow for the raw digital DSD bits from the SACD layer to be sent directly to their own DAC via an encrypted I2S link. He also states that the DSD sent via HDMI(such as from Oppo or Sony player to Bryston DAC) has to be decrypted by a Sony chip that also does the D/A conversion. If it was just a matter of receiving DSD over traditional HDMI, I sense PS Audio would have done it and in this video Paul would not have taken the time to explain why they had to do it this way.. If you were to look at an Esoteric SACD transport, they too have a proprietary connection that only works with their own DAC. In your situation with the EBAY Device, I have low confidence that it has the Sony SACD decryption and D/A converter, if they did, they would have advertised it but it looks like it just converts HDMI audio signals to i2S. Certainly makes me wonder what exactly its getting from the HDMI signal.
When I can afford a multichannel dac, then maybe I might try this.
howz sound quality,, compared to what...
Thank you.... very helpful 👍
Thank YOU!
Can you explain me something? If I have headphones with a frequency response over 40 kHz and I am playing a native dsd 256 file from a DAP which has only a frequency response up 20 kHz than what is the sense behind these dsd files if the player can't reproduce the sound above 20 kHz? Maybe I missunderstanding something because I am new to that topic. Would be glad if you could clarify. Thx.
Indeed! In fact they have created the high resolution logo for hardware besides the software. But not all equipment has that. Have to look at the specs.
So with this converter i can stream Dolby truehd from my 4k blu ray player to my dac (through the iis port)? Spdif does not support truehd so this adapter could be perfect for blu ray players
Well, yes for stereo via I2s or simple HDMI. For multichannel I haven't tried. It should work but clearly you need a capable DAC.
I'm not sure i understand exactly. Say you have a Modwright Tube Modded Oppo 105, by going HDMI out to i2s IN on the device, and HDMI out from device to I2s DAC, you're bypassing the tube outputs that were costly mods and using the other DAC? This solution is only if you don't want to use the built in Oppo dac?
Another question. I mainly listen to PC audio via foobar-usb to Denafrips Ares II. I use USB and am also considering adding the Denafrips Iris which has I2S out. How would i use the device in this scenario? My PC GPU(graphics card has HDMI out). I also have a Essence Evolve II 4k HDMI DAC w/8ch analog out.
-McIntosh MX150 with HDMI preamp or Pathos Cinema X analog tube pre
What uses would i have for this device if i wanted a full i2s set up. Thank you.
For the first question the answer is yes, the tubes are not used fpr the external conversion.
The second has a lot of stuff. I can only say that this device requires an HDMI output at the source and a I2S on the DAC's input. The box does the conversion from one protocol to the other in the digital domain. That is it!
Hi, rewatched your great video on getting digital to analog; another good DVD-audio CD is the Beatles Love Deluxe collection; it comes with a CD and DVD-audio disc; and it is available on eBay for a little over $10. Jiles Martin has reworked the old songs to make them sound wonderful. Just wanted to share this with you. Keep up the great videos. I'm a big fan. Thanks. Jim from USA-NJ.
Thanks!
There is no i2s interconnect standard. So your HDMI to i2S converter may not work with your DAC's i2S input. As far as I know all the DACs with i2S input do use an HDMI cable but the order of the signal on the pins and perhaps voltage levels are different. Make sure the converter is compatible with your DAC.
You can change the configuration of the pin/signal on the May to find the correct transmission.
I have a sound bar for my audio and it sounds great coming from my 4k player ps 4 and tv
How can I bypass my oppo 105D dac and connect Hegel H390?
I need to watch concerts using Oppo and listen two channel through Hegel H390 dac and listen to (DSD) sacd's ...
There is no I2S(iis) port in Hegel H390.
Please help me.....
Is there a possibility to use I2S (IIS)?
Thanks!!
Unfortunately you can't. Antipiracy can be bypassed only via HDMI-IS2.
I would like to know how can I extract hdmi audio for headphones only . Like loseless surround
Headphones are only stereo and are analog!
Hi! I have SACDs downloaded from web in laptop and would like to pass 5.1 audio to my 5.1 Yamaha htr 3065 receiver. Using an External dac amp such as Fiio k5pro I can play stereo tracks as native dsd but no 5.1. how can I play original 5.1 tracks without filtering by my receiver? I don't care about dsd to PCM. Just want to listen to 5.1 SACDs. Thanks
Use the 5.1 out from the back of your PC into the Multi-Channel in of your Yamaha receiver
If you have an AV processor, but want to use a standalone DAC for L and R stereo chalked from your Blu ray, what is the best way to do it? Via a cable from processor to DAC, or cable from Blu ray to DAC. This home cinema lark can be so confusing.
Cable from Bluray to DAC and the output to the AV
Ciao Guido,
Congrats for your youtube channel. Very well done and informative. I have purchased the converter to I2S and it works fantastic. I have a question about your beloved Oppo CD Player BDP-105D. Do you know whether the model BDP-103D is equivalent to the 105D if used only as transport or it’s different? As said I am interested to use it only as transport and connect to my Holo Audio DAC through HDMI-I2S. Grazie per il feedback!
Thank you Simone! It is almost certainly the same mechanism, so used as a transport no problem. Actually with the 103D you can also use the oppomod card which should work much better than the box: www.oppomod.com/
Grazie Guido, thanks for the hint. You’re the best! I will think about buying the I2S card if I decide to buy the used Oppo 103D I am looking at. Would you recommend me any other CD transport instead? I am looking in the used market around $300/400 (f.i. the Marantz CD94 MK II it’s not an option since goes for around $ 800/900). Thanks again.@@anadialog
Perfect solution is the Sony X1100ES, 2HDMI Outputs (video/audio and audio alone) Coax and optical output, analogue RCA output.
On the Yamaha RX-A3080 you have the perfect HDMI Inputs and the DAC is 384kHz and full DSD (256Mhz)
Hello. Thanks for the cool video. I connected the Gustard x22 dac via the cambridge audio BD 751 converter and the i2s input with a high-quality hdmi cable. When playing sacd, a strong crack is heard. Perhaps you need to use a special hdmi-i2s cable?
Are you using the box I presented in the video?