Perhaps, but she was the Prime Minister. She led the damn country. A state funeral for someone who served in the highest office in the land is par for course. To have a non-state funeral for someone who led the country for over a decade would look pretty embarrassing for the UK. As if the country couldn’t even afford to give one of its former leaders a dignified public burial. Also, the “£10 million” that was supposedly spent on it is hardly a lot of money all things considered.
They probably didn't want the coffin stealing and burning on a rubbish dump, or a slag heap on one of the coal mines she closed, where it should've gone.
Kim- she speaks sense! Big Brother was 24 hours a day! Maybe they didn't show us the others ganging up on her? It's common for the media to make someone look horrible no?
Kim didn't look horrible to me anybody with a braincell can see that the whole house is fake and the house is made of loads of baloni fakery bullshit. You are right 100 0/0.
Not just that all the coleen femmi nazzis accuse us of spouting rubbish but the even more ironic thing is that all the coleen fans are nasty logs of poo.
I have to say that I am not a huge fan of Kim but she presented a strong argument in front of two politicians and a seasoned journalist/presenter/editor. She did well. Her previous outbursts have tainted her reputation and I honestly thought she was going to explode here but she kept her dignity.
@@MudlarkDiggingUpTheThamesWhat's to agree with? Thatcher was so divisive, a lot of people were happy when she died. They were always going to chant "Ding Dong the witch is dead" at her and she would've probably hated it if they didn't.
It's called having RESPECT. You respect others so that when a politician that you supported dies, their political opponents will show the same respect for them that you showed for their party representative/politician. Very very simple. It's a patter of RECIPROCITY. GOOD MANNERS.
I cannot understand what on earth possessed some people to protest at Maggie's funeral. What did they think they were going to achieve? A protest is something you do when there is a possibility you can change someones actions. How exactly is protesting at someone's funeral going to affect that person? But of course, they have to call it a protest because saying that they are going to Maggie's funeral so they can sulk for a few hours doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
A lot of people protested because they had their lives ruined by her and didn't want her funeral to be paid for by the taxpayer. Quite right too, it was a fucking liberty.
@@shelleyjackson8793I was in Thailand, watching it on tv with a friend from university. We both had become international teachers and our role model had been Thatcher. She was an inspiration and showed women could have ambition. RIP
What was the need for a funeral that was expensive ? Why ? And why didn’t her damn family pay for it but no the tax payer got lumbered with it yet again
Because. She. Was. Prime. Minister. Do you think former Presidents of the USA have their families pay for their funerals. No, because that would be embarrassing for the country. As in what sort of country can’t even afford to give one of its former leaders a public dignified burial? Especially if that former leader led for over a decade and defended British territory against invaders. Also, like the interviewer said, the £10 mil figure is inflated to make rather gullible people such as yourself outraged. The sooner you realize how often the media does this to people, over virtually any issue, the better off you will be.
Jacqui Smith _ stealing money whilst a govt member in cabinet. being so bad even the failed gordon brown could sack her. her husband claimed porn on her expenses. oh yes and thinks its ok to protest at funerals.
people like that dont think about anyone but themselfs... i would not worry about them. kim has done quite well for herself and she has many more friends than people like that will ever have.
Wouldn't that became suppression of free speech? We have all the rights to criticize someone regardless of if they are alive or dead. She is a public figure that hold cabinet positions, she caused many problems for some people, they have the rights to speak when she lived or die.
@@nntflow7058 It would absolutely be suppression of free speech but just because you can do this doesn't mean you should. Check out the Westboro baptist church who would also picket funerals of dead soldiers. They would cheer that someones son had died and dance in front of them. They won every court case against the poor families who were heartbroken that their children's military funerals were sullied by people who believed that they shouldn't go to war. They won every court case because they were allowed free speech. However, doing this and watching people do this just shows how filled with hate and venom some people become. By all means say "Im glad she's dead" but then just ignore the funeral and get on with your life.
Yes. We should all respect the woman who put us into poverty so the yuppies in 'The City' could get richer selling imports. There's no wonder Britain is in the state it is and nobody is doing anything about it with people like you around.
If you don't like someone make your point when they are alive face them with how you feel or keep away from them, but when they are dead it's pointless all you are doing is causing trouble at a time when nobody wants to hear your protest least of all the family of the deceased.
the best bit is when kim say " u look silly and u r silly" u can see Jacqui really squirming as she pretends to listen to michael. Jacqui also begins by saying the turning of backs is ok yet 10 seconds later she says that on the whole she agrees with kim. this is a classic reason why i never like socialists. they never take a position and stick to it. no wonder kim deals with such a lightweight so easily. did i mention that she stole expenses too.
I agree with Jacqui - turning your back was an understated way of showing protest. What Kim is failing to grasp is that this was a PUBLIC SPECTACLE and was not a funeral, but a PUBLIC CEREMONY. If protesters had stormed the PRIVATE FAMILY CEREMONY that occurred later, I would agree with Kim, but a public protest at a public event in a way that did not spoil the enjoyment of those who wished to pay their respects was perfectly harmless
Paul Ryan 1 second ago A public funeral with close relatives of the deceased who are grieving and have sensitive feelings who have to put up with insensitive media morons who parade this as spectacle and entertainment akin to the gladiatorial arena. Absolutely shameful.
@@paulsurbitonryan9632 It was not Thatcher’s funeral. It was a public ceremony. Her funeral was several days later and held in private. This was a public display in public spaces and therefore was (and quite rightly in my opinion) in a space where (respectful) public protest could take place, alongside public marks of respect. Would *I* have turned my back on her coffin? No. Do I think people should allowed to have peacefully and respectfully shown their distaste for who was ultimately a very divisive figure? Yes.
I'm not a Thatcher supporter or anything but how would you like it if you were trying to bury your loved one and a bunch of protesters should up singing "Ding dong the witch is dead" ? Whether you liked someone or not, show a bit of respect
The protesters weren’t singing “Ding dong” but merely turning their back. It was a ‘respectful’ protest that correctly respected those wanting to pay their respects to Mrs Thatcher whilst giving those who loathed her their freedom to protest.
Kim is right.... it's absolutely fucking disrespectful ok there were some people who didn't Like Margaret thatcher but don't take a fucking protest to a fucking funeral you Just don't do it she was somebody's mother for goodness sake have a bit of fucking respect
I hate Donnie Trump with nearly EVERY fiber of my being, but I would NEVER protest his funeral. Someone has died, a life is gone, albeit a good life or a bad life, if you can't respect then do nothing at all.
I hated Thatcher. And before you all say anything else, yes, I'm an American, but I lived in the UK from 1984-1987, under Thatcher's premiership. I hated that she was unflinching (and anti-union) when it came to the coal miners strike, and I wasn't altogether thrilled she survived the Brighton Hotel bombing either. There were other things I disliked about her as well, but I won't cover them all (*ahem, she didn't like homosexuals, there I've said it and made HUGE cuts to higher education funding). However, Kim makes a good point: a funeral is a funeral, and if you want to make a political point by turning your back that's one thing, but to go and chant hateful things and carry banners with hate slogans on them is quite another. Some respect should be observed. However, I think it's also pertinent to remember that many people didn't agree with her politically, and since the UK is a democracy, they can't stop anyone from expressing themselves either. It's all up to the individual how they choose to go about it.
Ben Schaeffer So u wished death upon Thatcher.......What a nice human being u are. If u don’t like the U.K then fuck off back to America u stupid Roundhead fucker...,God I hate yanks.... they think everything belongs to them.
@Harry Amer -- At this point, I think we all have the right to worry about the entire world if you ask me. I don't take offense when Brits claim how much they hate Dump (I agree with them WHOLEHEARTEDLY in fact). No need to tell me what I'm permitted and not permitted to worry about thanks.
It is - the term Witch was created to kill women who did not conform to the expectations of the male dominated society of the time. Calling her a witch and celebrating her death is entirely misogynistic.
Jim Bob wrong, her death being celebrated has nothing do with her gender but more to do with the destruction of communities many of which are still are feeling the effects of Thatcherite politics today. They weren’t celebrating just for the sake it, they were completely justified.
@@TubbyBrewster11 please inform us what communities Thatcher destroyed? As if she came in to people’s towns with bulldozers... Do you honestly believe there would still be large coal mining communities in this day and age? The only reason they still existed during thatchers time is because the coal industry was propped up by the government while the fear of Union strikes kept the government in a stranglehold. Widespread coal mining is/was unsustainable in a western country l, caused large amounts of pollution, and needed to go. You can’t just keep throwing taxpayer money at an industry that doesn’t return it’s worth to the country.
She's pretending that she's defending the principle of 'no protests at a funeral'. Really she's just defending Thatcher. The logic is clear when you ask yourself: would she defend Hitler's funeral against protests? No she wouldn't. And what was that shite at the beginning of the video thatcheritescot?
A lot of things are paid for by the public against their will - 18 billion pounds was wasted on ID cards that never got made. Having a send off for someone who was the first female British prime minister (and the first female leader of a large western country) and the longest serving PM at the time is as good a waste of money as some of the other crap that gets done.
You’re forgetting that half of the public liked Thatcher. Also, she was the fucking Prime Minister. You sound like a petulant child. Probably still do 5 years later.
so she dumped her dead baby in a park for some poor stranger to find it rotting and then has the gall to go on television telling other people how to behave 'respectfully' at a funeral?
She's pretending that she's defending the principle of 'no protests at a funeral'. Really she's just defending Thatcher. The logic is clear when you ask yourself: would she defend Hitler's funeral against protests? No she wouldn't. And what was that shite at the beginning of the video thatcheritescot?
Lol comparing Thatcher to Hitler? You’re a disgusting person. Just because you don’t like someone’s politics doesn’t make them a genocidal maniac. Grow up. You’re a problem
@@HellstothenawIt's still a load of rubbish. Cause misery, get protests.. Why should people forget everything she did to them because it might upset her grown up children, who are also prize tosspots?
Kim is right.... it's absolutely fucking disrespectful ok there were some people who didn't Like Margaret thatcher but don't take a fucking protest to a fucking funeral you Just don't do it she was somebody's mother for goodness sake have a bit of fucking respect
I am Ms Woodburn fan, say it like it is.
Give Kim her own chat show. Hysterical woman
I agree 100% with Kim concerning the subject at hand! You go Kim!!!!
She is an idiot.
Kim for Prime minster ❤️
Why didn't they privatise the funeral because she would of approved of that instead of squandering taxpayers money.
Perhaps, but she was the Prime Minister. She led the damn country. A state funeral for someone who served in the highest office in the land is par for course. To have a non-state funeral for someone who led the country for over a decade would look pretty embarrassing for the UK. As if the country couldn’t even afford to give one of its former leaders a dignified public burial. Also, the “£10 million” that was supposedly spent on it is hardly a lot of money all things considered.
Why does it cost £10 million to drag a coffin through the streets of London?
Because that is standard for deceased members of the establishment
MHL83 Because of the security needed for the event.
They probably didn't want the coffin stealing and burning on a rubbish dump, or a slag heap on one of the coal mines she closed, where it should've gone.
Kim- she speaks sense! Big Brother was 24 hours a day! Maybe they didn't show us the others ganging up on her? It's common for the media to make someone look horrible no?
Charles Blake you dont half spout some bullshit
@@danielladdingford2295 what u on about kim does talk sense she was ganged up on
Kim didn't look horrible to me anybody with a braincell can see that the whole house is fake and the house is made of loads of baloni fakery bullshit. You are right 100 0/0.
Not just that all the coleen femmi nazzis accuse us of spouting rubbish but the even more ironic thing is that all the coleen fans are nasty logs of poo.
@@jordanlee6499 thanks Jordan! Agreed, amen!
I have to say that I am not a huge fan of Kim but she presented a strong argument in front of two politicians and a seasoned journalist/presenter/editor. She did well. Her previous outbursts have tainted her reputation and I honestly thought she was going to explode here but she kept her dignity.
I agree with Kim Woodburn
About what.
@@stephensharp3033 everything she said
@@MudlarkDiggingUpTheThamesWhat's to agree with? Thatcher was so divisive, a lot of people were happy when she died. They were always going to chant "Ding Dong the witch is dead" at her and she would've probably hated it if they didn't.
I respect them both because they are able to listen one another... That does not happen in Italy... Believe me...
It's called having RESPECT. You respect others so that when a politician that you supported dies, their political opponents will show the same respect for them that you showed for their party representative/politician. Very very simple. It's a patter of RECIPROCITY. GOOD MANNERS.
I love Kim woodburn,still watch bb to cheer me up
jacqui smith= the worst home secretary
Every one since has been worse though lol.
David Starkey agrees with you.
we keep on paying and Thatcher shit on us in Wales big time
I cannot understand what on earth possessed some people to protest at Maggie's funeral. What did they think they were going to achieve? A protest is something you do when there is a possibility you can change someones actions. How exactly is protesting at someone's funeral going to affect that person? But of course, they have to call it a protest because saying that they are going to Maggie's funeral so they can sulk for a few hours doesn't have quite the same ring to it.
A lot of people protested because they had their lives ruined by her and didn't want her funeral to be paid for by the taxpayer. Quite right too, it was a fucking liberty.
Usual workshy, shoulder-chipped twats. Wish I had the time to protest at a funeral- but then I work and have basic decency.
@@shelleyjackson8793I was in Thailand, watching it on tv with a friend from university. We both had become international teachers and our role model had been Thatcher. She was an inspiration and showed women could have ambition. RIP
@@gardenroom65 sounds like you were in rather a privileged situation to begin with then. Don’t worry about anyone else because you were okay.
What was the need for a funeral that was expensive ? Why ? And why didn’t her damn family pay for it but no the tax payer got lumbered with it yet again
Because. She. Was. Prime. Minister. Do you think former Presidents of the USA have their families pay for their funerals. No, because that would be embarrassing for the country. As in what sort of country can’t even afford to give one of its former leaders a public dignified burial? Especially if that former leader led for over a decade and defended British territory against invaders. Also, like the interviewer said, the £10 mil figure is inflated to make rather gullible people such as yourself outraged. The sooner you realize how often the media does this to people, over virtually any issue, the better off you will be.
@@CharlotteNCJack nah ridiculous amount of tax funds in my opinion
DIRTY
FILTH!
Jacqui Smith _ stealing money whilst a govt member in cabinet.
being so bad even the failed gordon brown could sack her.
her husband claimed porn on her expenses.
oh yes and thinks its ok to protest at funerals.
people like that dont think about anyone but themselfs... i would not worry about them.
kim has done quite well for herself and she has many more friends than people like that will ever have.
ABSOLUTELY LOVE KIM TO THE MAC
10 million my arse, it was 3.8 million.
Kim is utterly correct!
The interviewer is biased.
No, he’s just playing devil’s advocate. It’s a great way to provoke discourse actually
Kim was right, a funeral is a celebration of somebodyslife not a chance to talk ill of the dead. Just ignore the funeral and get on with your life.
Wouldn't that became suppression of free speech?
We have all the rights to criticize someone regardless of if they are alive or dead. She is a public figure that hold cabinet positions, she caused many problems for some people, they have the rights to speak when she lived or die.
@@nntflow7058 It would absolutely be suppression of free speech but just because you can do this doesn't mean you should. Check out the Westboro baptist church who would also picket funerals of dead soldiers. They would cheer that someones son had died and dance in front of them. They won every court case against the poor families who were heartbroken that their children's military funerals were sullied by people who believed that they shouldn't go to war. They won every court case because they were allowed free speech. However, doing this and watching people do this just shows how filled with hate and venom some people become. By all means say "Im glad she's dead" but then just ignore the funeral and get on with your life.
@@MalonsMilk well said, hear hear!
kim is a smart woman she should be on tv all the time x
Well said kim. I totally agree with you. Theres not enough respect in the world. Remember the lady was going to her rest.
Yes. We should all respect the woman who put us into poverty so the yuppies in 'The City' could get richer selling imports.
There's no wonder Britain is in the state it is and nobody is doing anything about it with people like you around.
Kim is so comical, love her.
Love you Kim
If you don't like someone make your point when they are alive face them with how you feel or keep away from them, but when they are dead it's pointless all you are doing is causing trouble at a time when nobody wants to hear your protest least of all the family of the deceased.
Kim is always right
the best bit is when kim say " u look silly and u r silly"
u can see Jacqui really squirming as she pretends to listen to michael.
Jacqui also begins by saying the turning of backs is ok yet 10 seconds later she says that on the whole she agrees with kim. this is a classic reason why i never like socialists. they never take a position and stick to it.
no wonder kim deals with such a lightweight so easily.
did i mention that she stole expenses too.
I’ve never heard of Kim until I clicked on this video. I like her!
She killed her own baby and buried it in a park but she does talk sense doesn't she? So much compassion..
Apparently, back in the 1960’s, she gave birth alone in a bedsit and her son was born stillborn, who she made a burial for in a park.
@@Summer21. Thank you for clarifying; that’s a bit different from “She killed her own baby.”
@@CanadianMonarchist You’re welcome. 😃
eye the eyes at 2:21 👀
Jaqualine??? She was loved and majority voted in for 333333 terms!!!
I agree with Jacqui - turning your back was an understated way of showing protest. What Kim is failing to grasp is that this was a PUBLIC SPECTACLE and was not a funeral, but a PUBLIC CEREMONY. If protesters had stormed the PRIVATE FAMILY CEREMONY that occurred later, I would agree with Kim, but a public protest at a public event in a way that did not spoil the enjoyment of those who wished to pay their respects was perfectly harmless
Paul Ryan
1 second ago
A public funeral with close relatives of the deceased who are grieving and have sensitive feelings who have to put up with insensitive media morons who parade this as spectacle and entertainment akin to the gladiatorial arena. Absolutely shameful.
@@paulsurbitonryan9632 It was not Thatcher’s funeral. It was a public ceremony. Her funeral was several days later and held in private.
This was a public display in public spaces and therefore was (and quite rightly in my opinion) in a space where (respectful) public protest could take place, alongside public marks of respect.
Would *I* have turned my back on her coffin? No. Do I think people should allowed to have peacefully and respectfully shown their distaste for who was ultimately a very divisive figure? Yes.
she is right
who?
When BLAIR gets his time in hell burning with the devils 😈 I WONT BE THERE!!!
Kim is on point
I think it was kinda rude but it was fine tbh
I agree with Kim Woodburn 100%. Funerals are meant to be a day of respect and a celebration of someone’s life.
I'm not a Thatcher supporter or anything but how would you like it if you were trying to bury your loved one and a bunch of protesters should up singing "Ding dong the witch is dead" ? Whether you liked someone or not, show a bit of respect
* showed up
She ruined hundreds of thousands of lives. Should’ve thought of that before she got in power
The protesters weren’t singing “Ding dong” but merely turning their back. It was a ‘respectful’ protest that correctly respected those wanting to pay their respects to Mrs Thatcher whilst giving those who loathed her their freedom to protest.
If my family caused as much misery as Thatcher, I'd be disappointed if people didn't turn up to cheer at their deaths.
@@alfsmith4936she was a brilliant prime minister
Just over £1,000,000 was spent on the funeral, that works out that every tax payer paid 1.9 pence
I still want a refund and I'm willing to fight for it.
Disgusting.
@@alfsmith4936grow up
Kim is the queen of birch land
Andrea McLean
Nicole Kidman
Amanda Holden
Emma Willis
Colleen Nolan
great video!
Go Kim!
I hated Thatcher but would never have protested at her funeral.
And totally true 👍 if you dont like the person WHY GO TO THE FUNERAL?????😢 SAD 😂😂😂😂
I have no love for margaret thatcher whatsoever but agree that protesting a funeral is wrong. Any other time good on them protesting but not then.
Wish I could have been there to give my respect.
Kim is right.... it's absolutely fucking disrespectful ok there were some people who didn't Like Margaret thatcher but don't take a fucking protest to a fucking funeral you Just don't do it she was somebody's mother for goodness sake have a bit of fucking respect
I hate Donnie Trump with nearly EVERY fiber of my being, but I would NEVER protest his funeral. Someone has died, a life is gone, albeit a good life or a bad life, if you can't respect then do nothing at all.
Janet Snakehole accept Kk and Ruin Johnson
I hated Thatcher. And before you all say anything else, yes, I'm an American, but I lived in the UK from 1984-1987, under Thatcher's premiership. I hated that she was unflinching (and anti-union) when it came to the coal miners strike, and I wasn't altogether thrilled she survived the Brighton Hotel bombing either. There were other things I disliked about her as well, but I won't cover them all (*ahem, she didn't like homosexuals, there I've said it and made HUGE cuts to higher education funding). However, Kim makes a good point: a funeral is a funeral, and if you want to make a political point by turning your back that's one thing, but to go and chant hateful things and carry banners with hate slogans on them is quite another. Some respect should be observed. However, I think it's also pertinent to remember that many people didn't agree with her politically, and since the UK is a democracy, they can't stop anyone from expressing themselves either. It's all up to the individual how they choose to go about it.
Ben Schaeffer
So u wished death upon Thatcher.......What a nice human being u are. If u don’t like the U.K then fuck off back to America u stupid Roundhead fucker...,God I hate yanks.... they think everything belongs to them.
Ben Schaeffer
U Worry about ur country and we’ll worry about ours.
@Harry Amer -- At this point, I think we all have the right to worry about the entire world if you ask me. I don't take offense when Brits claim how much they hate Dump (I agree with them WHOLEHEARTEDLY in fact). No need to tell me what I'm permitted and not permitted to worry about thanks.
What's wrong with Kim's right eye?
Er andwer she was majority voted in for 3 terms!!!
Not convinced the "ding dong the witch is dead" chant was misogynistic... but okay...
It is - the term Witch was created to kill women who did not conform to the expectations of the male dominated society of the time. Calling her a witch and celebrating her death is entirely misogynistic.
Jim Bob wrong, her death being celebrated has nothing do with her gender but more to do with the destruction of communities many of which are still are feeling the effects of Thatcherite politics today. They weren’t celebrating just for the sake it, they were completely justified.
@@TubbyBrewster11 please inform us what communities Thatcher destroyed? As if she came in to people’s towns with bulldozers... Do you honestly believe there would still be large coal mining communities in this day and age? The only reason they still existed during thatchers time is because the coal industry was propped up by the government while the fear of Union strikes kept the government in a stranglehold. Widespread coal mining is/was unsustainable in a western country l, caused large amounts of pollution, and needed to go. You can’t just keep throwing taxpayer money at an industry that doesn’t return it’s worth to the country.
Agree with Kim completely
Really😢jaqueline smith 😮when your mum has a funeral 😔 would you like this behavior??? You silly person 🙄
She's pretending that she's defending the principle of 'no protests at a funeral'. Really she's just defending Thatcher. The logic is clear when you ask yourself: would she defend Hitler's funeral against protests? No she wouldn't.
And what was that shite at the beginning of the video thatcheritescot?
Why go to a funeral 😕 if you don't like the person???? So no turn your back lol just DONT GO SADOS😂😂😂
Her funeral was paid for by the public against their will. They had every right to protest that abomination of a human. May she rot in hell
Anderson Aldo 🙄
A lot of things are paid for by the public against their will - 18 billion pounds was wasted on ID cards that never got made. Having a send off for someone who was the first female British prime minister (and the first female leader of a large western country) and the longest serving PM at the time is as good a waste of money as some of the other crap that gets done.
I guess I pay your rent and benefits against my will, will you rot in hell you jobless, inarticulate, hateful left-wing commie...
You’re forgetting that half of the public liked Thatcher. Also, she was the fucking Prime Minister. You sound like a petulant child. Probably still do 5 years later.
I couldn`t stand Thatcher, but Kim is right.
Is this Jacqui Smith dead or what???
Not yet
I want to marry Kim x
Eww wtf is up with Kim's eyes when she looks down ..creepy looking
so she dumped her dead baby in a park for some poor stranger to find it rotting and then has the gall to go on television telling other people how to behave 'respectfully' at a funeral?
trent994 No she buried the baby in the park following a stillbirth.
That's way below the belt, and a shamefull thing to say
I see both points tbh. That's why I am not gonna pick a side and 9/10 i do side with Kim on what she says
She's pretending that she's defending the principle of 'no protests at a funeral'. Really she's just defending Thatcher. The logic is clear when you ask yourself: would she defend Hitler's funeral against protests? No she wouldn't.
And what was that shite at the beginning of the video thatcheritescot?
You sound like a child. She clearly said she does not think protests at a funeral is appropriate. Regardless of who is in the casket.
Lol comparing Thatcher to Hitler? You’re a disgusting person. Just because you don’t like someone’s politics doesn’t make them a genocidal maniac. Grow up. You’re a problem
@@HellstothenawIt's still a load of rubbish. Cause misery, get protests..
Why should people forget everything she did to them because it might upset her grown up children, who are also prize tosspots?
Kim is right.... it's absolutely fucking disrespectful ok there were some people who didn't Like Margaret thatcher but don't take a fucking protest to a fucking funeral you Just don't do it she was somebody's mother for goodness sake have a bit of fucking respect