Maybe its more about availability. Florentine can be reliably purchased. It might not be the absolute best but it is recommendable because it is not as dependent on RNG to acquire.
Davorak The Dragon just becuse you dont like it doesnt make it an opinion he clearly proved that it does less than other smgs and the slag is barely worth giving up a weapon slot or a lot of DPS becuse characters can easily slag enemies
+DEER GOD Wait, there are people that hate the flakker? That shit insta-kills basically everything for me. (granted, the 150 stacks of anarchy probably help)
Dｅmｏnｉtｅ I personally use an Axton build that calls for Florentine. If I remember correctly the splash damage that Plasma Casters give off benefits from Axton's grenade bonuses, so it actually has some stopping power alongside the slag utility. I do agree, however, that Florentine is largely outclassed by other guns if all you want is slagging power.
PyroIceBolt That grenade damage that you're boosting on a Florentine is the worst element you could ever use for damage - Slag. Axton doesn't have much trouble slagging enemies even without any slag weapons, so any slag damage dealt with a weapon is a massive damage loss.
I've used the Florentine to great effect on Melee Krieg. It helps strip shields AND slags them, which is two less things I need to worry about playing as Melee Krieg. Mayas Cat class could make good use of it if used correctly, and shock Gaige can use it...but I have found that class to be pretty useless. but generally I tend to agree that it isn't that useful on most classes
I do really enjoy the Florentine a lot though. Mostly for the slag and shield stripping that it can do simultaneously. Being said, I usually end up using a slag pimpernel or transfusion grenade in Maya because it's more effective, but I see the Florentine as a viable utility, if anything. It's not an effective killer.
I know this comment really has not much place on this video, but I was getting a little bored of bl2 after years of playing and you inspired me to try a zer0 melee build. I have never had so much fun playing a game in my life.
Play as a Krueger melee build.It will be terrible at first but once you get release the beast you're able to kill anything that's 10 levels above you and under.
Why did the florentine ever gain its status in the first place (damage/slag wise)? I used it on an explosive kreig and maya and made me wish I was using a fire or corrosive plasma caster instead. Shields never give me trouble anyways @ 72. (I'm a filthy casual, I know)
Ben Dover It was typically recommended by UA-camrs that don't understand the game well, for players that have trouble clearing TVHM. It's a crutch for people that don't want to slag and swap, and don't want to use slagging skills. It's like the Infinity, a mediocre weapon that takes no thought to use.
I believe the reason this gun is so highly recommended for most characters in the game is due to it being a good all around weapon it does damage not the best but still good damage, its easy to get given you have crystals for it so not much rng in finding a solid weapon that is versatile. While i think its a good gun its not the best gun but defiantly something for a player whos interested in multi elemental gun that slags, maybe for a axton or gaige player looking for a form of slag that has some dps. I don't spend time looking at forums I've just recently started looking at videos on good guns that i can farm and add to my collection squeezing out that little bit more out of this game so maybe theres something I'm missing out on but i would basically say this is a gun you might want to try on all characters and see if you like it. Not top tier but a strong B
I thought it was a good gun too for maya, but ive not used this with my krieg yet, I use a slagga with 5/5 in fuel the fire, 200% to slag, but im guessing it would be good with him since the 200% is definite slag, any slag type gun would be good for him really, but slagga is best for the crazy amount of ammo already in the mag size, and with either elemental elation or blood filled guns or both u can just keep firing for days, I also like that gun that slags the player too for krieg, not sure whats its called or the gun that randomly drops on the floor when reloading
This is dumb for testing 1 on UVHM slag is always going to be used so testing them without slag is not testing correctly 2 your still going to have all skills on 3 parts still matter on florentine and any other gun
+Man of Low Moral Fiber I was saying there are parts and play styles plus you only did it on siren and gave examples on it so this "test" could not be fully valid unless that happens
+Ryan Alters I specifically said that it is the most overrated weapon for Maya in the video. I actually show it in action at OP 8. I tested them with correct parts, too.
+Man of Low Moral Fiber like I said parts can be needed opinions based on how you want to play the game and also since you said it then it should be called most overrated gun for maya also bringing more content to your channel having over rated guns for each character and or play style so this is a ok test but it still can easily be better
Was just using this on Gaige. I hate best/worst/under and over rated lists on Borderlands. It depends on so much. The character, build, there are so many variables. Especially the way you test stuff. Throwing a grenade at every single enemy you kill... I've seen you play melee Zer0, i know you don't play like a grandpa all the time, so why test like it? This gun absolutely destroys on LBT Gaige. And not having to throw grenades or switch weapons to slag, adds to DPS significantly. Getting back into BL2 again. Probably have gotten 50 characters to OP8 legit across 3 platforms. These lists (opinions) are such a big reason why i see new players constantly asking for black rarity weapons. 70% of the ppl that play BL2, don't know how to play BL2
Chargeresque someday you'll learn about multiplicative and additive damage. and stopping to switch weapons and BoTA just isnt viable all the time. that being said i rarely build lbt. not even for twister. but to say basically adding an extra shock bone with WDT is terrible, is just stupid. besides most of her skill tree is trash anyway. wtf else you gonna take?
First Name i do too, but its nothing gamebreaking. and you can dip into it and still take WDT. im not saying its her best build. like i did say, i rarely build shock gaige. but i woulf never say its terrible. building for wdt and interspersed outburst with a twister/shock kitten/ black hole is pretty damn fun and very good
I actually do use the florentine as a second wind weapon along with norfleet. my Maya is also a shock build, and since I can't use phaselock or grenades while in crippled state, I don't have any other means of slag. florentine not only slags, but also deals additional damage with the shock status effect to then set up for a norfleet (or any other weapon if I'm out of rockets) kill for second winding. I would say that combo is good enough when trying to get a second wind off of bulkier enemies.
Would you ever use any slag weapon while having scorn AND ruin?!? Does the florentine deal less dmg than the chulainn?!? Or is it the bee that boosts my dmg on my shocktrooper Maya build?
I think the best user of this is a shock/dot Gaige, as she can use it alone to slag, electrocute, and burn flesh targets all at once. And considering how shock dots have fewer but stronger ticks, and electrical burn causes the burn effect to be based on her electrocute damage, she's actually getting a really powerful burn on them. Especially with a legendary catalyst mod making her have a 30% multiplicative effect from WDT. On anyone else though, I agree, it's not a great gun.
though you did make this video before the cloud kill buff, basically very weapon is now viable with cloud kill. the buff was something like 3000%. I may be wrong on the percentage, but every boss is easy as hell on maya nowadays.
The only time I used the Florentine was whilst waiting for a slag plasma caster to drop on Axton, then it wasn't too bad, I'm 90% sure something to do with Axton's grenade buffs effect plasma casters because he seems to do much better with them than comparable none E-tech SMGS.
Well, I use this gun to do two things at once: breaking an enemy's shield and slagging him. Once the enemy's shield is depleted and he is slagged, I switch to a fire/corrosive weapon (playing as Krieg) which lets me kill him quite easily. This is a better solution than using another shock-SMG, then switching to a slag-weapon like the Grog Nozzle and then switching again to one of the Kittens (I know that there are people who don't like the Kitten but I think it is quite good for Krieg's elemental regen), either with fire or corrosion. And I don't use Krieg with Buzzaxe-Rampage, but primarily with the Hellborn skilltree (which is imo better and easier in OP8).
I don't really like scorn Mostly because I feel that converge and ruin go great together. All enemies get 100% slagged. Idk tho. What does everyone else think. Maybe I'm missing a poin
Watch Derch. He is the best maya youtubers I know of and he has a tutorial on how to scorn. I personally have no experience with scorn, since I have never gotten that far into the harmony tree, but I'm definitely gonna try....
You can use converge, scorn, and ruin in the same build. You'll have enough points at level cap, with a few to spare. As a practical matter, scorn can be used in FfYL, Phaselock cannot.
Yes the florentine is overrated IF you bring a shock tesla, and have ways to slag in your build. Thing is, with florentine on maya, you don't need a shock grenade, on any other character you don't need a shock weapon or a slag option, you can just use flrentine cause it can do both. You can stock up on more versatile weapons because 1 weapon is covering 2 elements.
Ehhh, yeah the gun I think does get too much credit, however it is fun on a gaige running electrical burn and just in general I’d rate it kind of like the Maggie on sal, good gun sure but more of a fun option to use when you wanna spice things up
It has its uses, but after seeing this video it most certainly isn't for Maya. One reason to get the Florentine though is simply because of how often it's available it is in the seraph shop. Though after getting that many seraph crystals to purchase it you're likely to have some amazing (and better) gear from the raid bosses you've killed. The other reason being that it's slag chance may not be great per shot, but it's fire rate and magazine size together make it decent for slagging while its shock damage and DoT keeps it from losing power compared to other slag SMGs. However, the fact you can only obtain it by spending seraph crystals makes it a huge turn-off in my opinion. Regardless, informative video and nice job.
I am reminded now of a time I turned down a Florentine someone wanted to give me, which was gibbed to max, precisely because I remembered trying it and being disappointed (although I hate people trying to give me gear or ask me for dupes to begin with). I had forgotten what weapon it was which I considered to be as poor to me as the Infinity. As of recently, I've been reminded (after giving it another chance) that the Infinity can in fact be useful at times, albeit possibly not the best choice. At least for Vermivorous, having infinite ammo can be nice, but the Florentine? Please. Shame, too, as it was the weapon I was most excited to see when I first heard about the Tina DLC.
I think Gaige likes the Florentine for three reasons: She has only one slagging skill, and it's unreliable; she doesn't have swap speed on her skill tree; and she can boost its damage more than a number of other characters There may be better options, but those factors do help the "Florentine is good for Gaige" argument
Speaking as a guy who plays a decent amount of melee krieg, this thing is actually useless for that build. Slag pimp is infinitely more helpful, as are slag singularities. Use those two if you want a slag option on a melee krieg set up. I prefer the slag singularities, given Krieg's disposition towards explosives.
How about for axton? I understand that zero has much better options maya doesnt need slag guns krieg has better slag guns like rapier and grog sal almost exclusively uses grog Gaige I assume has way better options But axton makes sense. I mean you could use slagga instead, but Florentine gets boosted by grenade damage.
Most overrated: DPUH. It is actually a very good weapon, but it does not deserve it's near-deified status. Ammo consumption C or D-tier Range: B-tier Damage: S-tier FFYL effectiveness: A-tier People insist those are all A+ rank (most act like they're all S-tier), except sometimes ammo consumption is acknowledged as an issue. Salvador can minimize several of these issues, but since he can mitigate or eliminate *most* weapon/gear shortcomings, that's not really a good comparison. Zer0 and Maya actually have more issues because of bullet speed increases. Again, it's a strong weapon. Just not the end-all, be-all everyone seems to say it is.
But what i dont understand, is that when the target got slagged the Florentine made 491k dmg compared to that 230ish k with the other gun... basically, it does twice the dmg, and also you dont have to switch between weapons to get them slagged, witch is, in my opinion to prefer in a tight situation.
most of your subscribers including me were 99 percent sure you were gonna say the infinity and then you just dropped a bomb right on our heads. Great video
I've never personally used the florentine, since I play mostly solo and don't really do raid bosses seraph items aren't really an option for me, but the florentine is one of the guns I want to try on my Gaige, mainly because I could see it working well. Especially since I spec fairly heavily into little big trouble, so the combo of slag and shock seems like it would be more effective. Maybe I'm wrong but that's where I'd be interested in seeing it play.
You mention it a few times in the video but only really went in depth with maya, who has so many slag options, how is this weapon on Gaige specced into Little big trouble?
The florentine is not meant to do more damage than other shock weapons or to be better at slagging than other slag weapons i also dont see a point in combining it with a shock bone For me the florentine is simply a slagging tool that strips shields or at least severely damages them at thr same time so you can than switch to a matching element weapon with matching bone to deal effective damage immeadeatly instead of having to first get through the resisting shield Also it deals enough damage that in an emergency you can kill directly with your slag weapon instead of having to switch first I like using it on axton on turret downtime when they cant slag enemies for me
Joshua Caswell He's said he doesn't understand why people thought he would think the Shredifier sucks, and he destroyed washburne with it. Also the Flakker can be used to great effect if you know how to use it despite how much hate.
David Alexis Scorn has a higher radius than Ruin, but Ruin hits after Converge. A Converge-like effect makes Scorn almost as powerful, so you would want some kind of singularity grenade. The best singularity being the Quasar.
I play sal with dpuh, grog nozzle and infinity. just use the dpuh until you run out of ammo. switch to the infinity and regenerate ammo. works quite well (:
The usefuless of the florentine is not its pure DPS output, UVHM is all about combinations to make otherwise unbeatable enemies managable, and all enemies become overlysensitive or overly resistant to elements in UVHM,( example: fire damage against shields is like one tenth as powerful as using a shock weapon against a shield) and the real objective is an enemies health, which will be sensitive to either corrosive or fire( unless Im forgetting some type of enemy vulnerable to shock) and seconds are preciouse in UVHM because slag only last so long and even with the best situation wepaon, kills are sometimes not instant in the case of tankier enemies, so the florentine's real function is slagging and diminishing shields, its an enemy softener, in one, rather than having to slag and waste extra fire or corrosive bullets against an enemy with a particularly strong shield, you can wittle down its shield AND slag it at the same time to go over to the main damage, which is generally corrosive or fire ( explosives does all around good damage with the right build and sort of eliminates the need for other elements on say Krieg or Axton, which is why I am not bringing explosive into the mix) instead of having to slag, waste the slagg effect on the shields to slag again, and then go to the real element you need. So id say that you might have lost sight of that in your review, especially since Builds take a HUGE part also in determining if the weapon is "good" or "bad" for your character, like if you didnt spec axton for explosive damage, and put your points into random skills, saying he is great with the ogre, DPUH, or the Swordsplosion will sound ridiculouse and absurd, just like if you build krieg for his fire build and tried using explosives it may not seem as effective as you read online.
+Jason Daniel Hofmeister The Florentine is a terrible weapon for slagging and a weak weapon for shock damage. The benefit it provides is less than that of switching weapons. Shields are generally so weak that proper slag weapon is more than enough to deplete it. The Florentine is a trash weapon.
Rishi so not mlg I have the i5 4690k and a gtx970 and let me tell you it works quite fine no need to overclock :) i can run everything on highest settings with 60 fps except arma 3. :)
I personally do not use the Florentine, on maya I have just played with butchers, pimpernels and plasma casters, on gaige I also play with butchers supplemented by norfleets, on zer0 I play with lyudas, pimpernels and the bekah, the Florentine doesn't really fit when there are options like slag grenades, and kunai, sorry if i'm already echoing popular opinion but that's my 2 cents
It would be fun to give Salvador the Florentine and pair it with a Hyperion Corrosive SMG, go into Gunzerker Mode and deal quite a lot of shock corrosive damage with the goodness of slag
Florentines op if your trying to just compare the shock damage its going to be underwhelming but the whole point of the gun is to slag the enemy and as you briefly showed the slagged shock damage on your maya was 491k or so over all a pretty bad ass smg imo.
HoneybadgerSoul tv There is nothing badass about the Florentine. It's bad for damage, worse for slagging, and practically useless to players that are familiar with their own gear and build.
i thought the picture was a Maggie's lol, i was like its good but because the projectiles are listed it isnt as good as it could be because it doesn't get that good boost from the bee
I think the Infinity Pistol was really good when the game first came out. But after the level increases and especially the OP levels I just didn't scale well and just fell to the wayside.
Sir I see the problem with your Maya build for the Florentine, you must have the skill Cloud Kill in order to make it work. I am actually surprised that a veteran of the game wouldn't use such an over-powered skill such as Cloud Kill. Please try it again using Cloud Kill and I'm sure that the Florentine's ability in both crowd control and raid boss killing will go up. Thank you for listening kind sir.
nyanfish It's all about that slag. I struggeled too in the beginning to get levelled up after TVHM, but a good slag grenade/weapon goes for a long way.
So, i've got perfect parts Florentine five days ago. And solid but not perfect shock Maliwan Plasma Caster. Both lvl 80. I play Maya lvl 80 Subsequence/Legendary Cat/3SMG-Lyuda build. SMG for every element. I was kinda agree with most of your thoughts in your video. But I now use Florentine as main shock SMG. Because: Fight for your life and Immolate skill. It saves. The same principle as slag PBFG or Norfleet or something. Slag of Florentine just multiply Immolate bonus and you easy save your life. But it's not as useless as slag PBFG or such rocket launchers expensive ammo, low ammo etc. etc. just slot taking for second wind. Florentine is not just "slot taking". Particularly, this Florentine even slightly out DPS my not best part Maliwan Shock Plasma Caster. you now, Impetuos firerate prefix and that's all. Maybe I'll farm better part shock Plasma Caster or even hyperion one. and than Florentine will go to backpack maybe. but now. Fight For Your Life, slightly better DPS so... Florentine :))
Yeah, i agree. *The most underrated gun is for sure, the Pearlescent Butcher shotgun.* Almost nobody talks about, neither USES it. This shotgun does chew through ammo quite quickly, but the HIGH AS HELL DPS potential makes up for it.
Ok while i am not saying you should use a infinity all the time, i am saying that a fire infinity as gunzerker is good if you are going for a fire rate build, reason for this is most of the time im gunzerking i am spending too much reloading that said thast is just to keep consistant damage up that is all, the infinity is a good weapon for this especially if you go down the middle gunzerk tree.
When you said that it was an SMG I was assuming you were going to get the sandhawk because that in my opinion is much more over rated than the florentine, I've never seen a build that has a florentine ever. I would assume the best way of slagging an enemy would be like a magic missile or a grog or a Dahl/bandit bouncing grenade. I don't think that the florentine would be recommended for every character other then maya due to her cat coms that she gets.
Most overrated weapon is probably grog. Yes, it has it's uses, but I swear a lot of people can't play without it. Also, my Maya build is very similar to what's shown here. Except mine was more of a "challenge to myself" kind of build because I got tired of playing with friends who wouldn't shoot anything unless it was phaselocked. So I focused more on scorn and used a melee override cooldown relic. That combined with life tap was more than enough for me to go through entire maps without using phaselock at all.
Sal doesn't have access to scorn, and Maya is arguably the most balanced character in the game. Plus there is so much more to Maya than just Phaselock. I just don't see any skill or fun in shooting fish in a barrel for 80 levels of play.
Burning Sharknado I agree with you , grog overrated because you can always use the Rubi or others Moxxi guns. Some people think that without grog their build will not work.
Noah S No, overrate means to appraise too highly. In this case the Grog is exactly overrated, just because it's good doesn't mean that it can't be overrated.
Noah S The best sustain in the game? Not at all, at best it's a convenient way to heal. It's only the best on Salvador. On other characters transfusion grenades, Moxxi Weapons, and certain skills (Life Steal for example) are much better options.
I consider the Florentine good just because it functions as a "multitasking" weapon. I rather dislike elemental weapons, and it easily deals with shields and slags enemies in one sweep, so I don't need to use two weapon slots and switch between three weapons for damage. In the end though, it really is just a gimmick weapon like a lot of the legendary and legendary equivalent weapons.
Pretty subjective overall. You could pretty much replace Florentine with any other weapon and the argument would seem solid. If you already have shock and slag options then yeah, the Florentine is redundant weapon Best replaced. But it’s not a bad option and gives more wiggle room when trying different builds and weapons since duh, you get shock and slag in one. Honestly your argument here sounds a lot like the ones against the Pimpernel when it first came out. It took quite a while for the pimpernel to earn its slot as one of the best in the community and even then the Pimpernel has it’s caveats.
Actually, Infinity is *more* useful on other characters. With a pair of them and Sal's 'Keep Firing', the fire-rate buff can become debilitating. Or as Maya in the blue tree with infinite healing for everyone. Even my Axton can make admirable use of it, by virtue of sheer continuous damage output, especially with The Bee. It's highly rated because it deserves that rating. Reloading is a downside to everything, so having this around is like a godsend in itself.
Well.... Maya is obviously noone who would ever need a slag weapon if she has ruin and scorn but on other characters? Axton can benefit heavily from it, on the one hand he has got the swap speed and on the other hand his only slag options are weapons and grenades and since he can boost his grenade damage it would be a better choice to invest into grenades that are meant to deal damage(for example the fastball), not to slag. It is somewhat superior to the slagga because of its way better raw damage and the shock damage, If you encounter an enemy with a strong shield you can just keep the Florentine out and strap his shield and leaving him slagged before switching to a fire or corrosive weapon to finish the job, while without it you had to slag him first, then swap to a weapon that does actual damage and is shock strap the shield, always having to change back every few seconds to keep the enemy slagged and then finally to the killing weapon.
like the florentine, not because it is over power, it is because you have only 4 slot of gun, in multiplayer you cant go safely in your inventory and pick another gun, so when you have 1 slot for a fire wapon, o1 for a corrosive, you only have 2 place left. I usualy go with a explosive launcher for a fight for your life weapon, then i only have 1 place left for shock and slag weapon. florentine is perfect for me cause of the weapon number restriction. (even in solo player, i hate to have to open my inventory to switch weapon.
while i dont care about that at all, i will join in slot 1: corrosive SMG slot 2: luancher slot 3: sniper rifle slot 4: jakobs pistol im a zero player.
+Martin Ménard-Gravel Bruh lol just go 1: Fire weapon 2:Corrosive weapon 3:the Launcher for FFYL 4 and 5: Slag weapon and Electric Grenade, or vice versa. That's so much better.
i used florentine in tiny tina's assault dragon keep standalone. you can get seraph crystals in normal mode in that stadalone even from pixies. florentine in normal mode when your level is not enough to have ruin is much more powerful option than most of other smgs. it rocks in normal mode. in borderlands 2 you have better option to spend your seraph crystals for example antagonist shield. it is still good shock weapon and beautifully looked fantastic design. you compared it to shock plasma caster one of the strongest smg in the game. and it yes, weaker but it still strong. maybe it should be easier to get in normal mode weapon this will make sense. overrated? definitely. bad weapon? no.
I do like it on krieg just for the shield stripping and slagging before i go intro RTB. (Well also because i dont have a better option right now that i can use for slagging) but i definitely wouldn't use it on maya
I melt enemies with Gaige while using Florentine on OP8 fairly quickly, this SMG maybe not the most powerful due it's damage being split between shock and slag but certainly not as useless as you trying to show it here.
is that the florentine or gaige? And would it be impossible to do it better with another weapon? He said solo you can kill enemies with it but that alone doesnt make it good, and thats why he made this video. He didnt say unusable, just that it wasnt the best and wasnt really worth a slot most of the time especially on maya.
yes, it might do lesser damage, but the slag effect what makes it good, it's basically 2 in one shield destroyed while only firing 1 gun. not everyone likes maya after all.
id say the florentine is probably useful against shielded enemies as a sheild breaker that is a good quick way to make them softer for whatever you want to finish then off. that said its still pretty annoying in my book.
I mean I can see it being decent with Fastball Krieg if you really wanted to get rid of shields, but Fastball Krieg doesn't really give a fuck about shields. In fact I'd prefer the reliability of the Slagga in those situations almost always anyways.
i think the florentine is very useful , but im a krieg player. i rip through the slaughterdome in the tiny tina dlc very easy and the double element are making it very good.
Maybe some people just aren’t into combo hits from different sources, pulling one trigger verses button combos it’s maybe just an easy way out for them, and it’s not about the speed of the kill…i don’t know. Personally, i prefer quick kills, without the Florentine being boosted somehow it’s not the best choice, imo
It's good for players that don't have all there skill points and they're skill points maybe spread out since they might not have a good setup. Not everyone can play on OP level even if BL2 is old. I personally wouldn't use that smg on TVHM up.
Maybe its more about availability. Florentine can be reliably purchased. It might not be the absolute best but it is recommendable because it is not as dependent on RNG to acquire.
"It's definitely inferior to better options. That is, in my opinion, undeniable."
Travis Vardy yeah, he doesnt script the video
point?
Luna Iux ... It's funny? What sort of insight are you looking for?
Travis Vardy speak english
Davorak The Dragon thats becuse they are facts, clearly backup up with plenty of evidence
Davorak The Dragon just becuse you dont like it doesnt make it an opinion
he clearly proved that it does less than other smgs and the slag is barely worth giving up a weapon slot or a lot of DPS becuse characters can easily slag enemies
But here's the true question everyone wants answered...
Does it suck: Florentine
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MoLMF: As a result I think it will make Maya a less effective character.
Maya: No
Most unreasonably hated weapon?
Please do this
CrypticCrap Flakker, easily.
+DEER GOD that or the kerblaster
kerblaster is fun
+DEER GOD Wait, there are people that hate the flakker? That shit insta-kills basically everything for me. (granted, the 150 stacks of anarchy probably help)
Meh it's nice for Shock Gaige, but why would you recommend this weapon on chars like Krieg/Axton/Sal? Oo
Dｅmｏnｉtｅ I personally use an Axton build that calls for Florentine. If I remember correctly the splash damage that Plasma Casters give off benefits from Axton's grenade bonuses, so it actually has some stopping power alongside the slag utility. I do agree, however, that Florentine is largely outclassed by other guns if all you want is slagging power.
Dｅmｏnｉtｅ only weapons u need for gaige are fibbers XD
Zerolove02 Twister works better in most cases.
PyroIceBolt That grenade damage that you're boosting on a Florentine is the worst element you could ever use for damage - Slag. Axton doesn't have much trouble slagging enemies even without any slag weapons, so any slag damage dealt with a weapon is a massive damage loss.
RyokoRHM
Good to know. :P Thanks for the tidbit!
I've used the Florentine to great effect on Melee Krieg. It helps strip shields AND slags them, which is two less things I need to worry about playing as Melee Krieg. Mayas Cat class could make good use of it if used correctly, and shock Gaige can use it...but I have found that class to be pretty useless. but generally I tend to agree that it isn't that useful on most classes
Carter Hopkins The whole point of the video is that the weapon is trash with Cat Maya.
@@ManofLowMoralFiber If you're just casually playing the game without doing research, there are worse options.
@@wahwahwah6690 There are also many better options tbh
I wish that the seraph weapons were more powerful, considering you had to grind the raid bosses for the crystals.
Borderlands: Where you need stronger weapons to kill the boss to get weaker drops
It is poasible to make the serph weapons way more powerfull thanks to modding
@@dreambigger3201 you can do anything with modding, I don't think that really counts. If it were in the actual game that would be good.
I do really enjoy the Florentine a lot though. Mostly for the slag and shield stripping that it can do simultaneously. Being said, I usually end up using a slag pimpernel or transfusion grenade in Maya because it's more effective, but I see the Florentine as a viable utility, if anything. It's not an effective killer.
Operate170 Maya does not need slag weapons. At all.
I know this comment really has not much place on this video, but I was getting a little bored of bl2 after years of playing and you inspired me to try a zer0 melee build. I have never had so much fun playing a game in my life.
Play as a Krueger melee build.It will be terrible at first but once you get release the beast you're able to kill anything that's 10 levels above you and under.
***** DAMN YOU AUTO CORRECT!!!
Why did the florentine ever gain its status in the first place (damage/slag wise)? I used it on an explosive kreig and maya and made me wish I was using a fire or corrosive plasma caster instead. Shields never give me trouble anyways @ 72. (I'm a filthy casual, I know)
Ben Dover It gained it's status because it's basically a drawback free Chulainn.
Ben Dover It was typically recommended by UA-camrs that don't understand the game well, for players that have trouble clearing TVHM. It's a crutch for people that don't want to slag and swap, and don't want to use slagging skills. It's like the Infinity, a mediocre weapon that takes no thought to use.
I believe the reason this gun is so highly recommended for most characters in the game is due to it being a good all around weapon it does damage not the best but still good damage, its easy to get given you have crystals for it so not much rng in finding a solid weapon that is versatile. While i think its a good gun its not the best gun but defiantly something for a player whos interested in multi elemental gun that slags, maybe for a axton or gaige player looking for a form of slag that has some dps. I don't spend time looking at forums I've just recently started looking at videos on good guns that i can farm and add to my collection squeezing out that little bit more out of this game so maybe theres something I'm missing out on but i would basically say this is a gun you might want to try on all characters and see if you like it. Not top tier but a strong B
I thought it was a good gun too for maya, but ive not used this with my krieg yet, I use a slagga with 5/5 in fuel the fire, 200% to slag, but im guessing it would be good with him since the 200% is definite slag, any slag type gun would be good for him really, but slagga is best for the crazy amount of ammo already in the mag size, and with either elemental elation or blood filled guns or both u can just keep firing for days, I also like that gun that slags the player too for krieg, not sure whats its called or the gun that randomly drops on the floor when reloading
This is dumb for testing
1 on UVHM slag is always going to be used so testing them without slag is not testing correctly
2 your still going to have all skills on
3 parts still matter on florentine and any other gun
+Ryan Alters Please refrain from posting comments that make no sense.
+Man of Low Moral Fiber I was saying there are parts and play styles plus you only did it on siren and gave examples on it so this "test" could not be fully valid unless that happens
+Ryan Alters I specifically said that it is the most overrated weapon for Maya in the video. I actually show it in action at OP 8. I tested them with correct parts, too.
+Man of Low Moral Fiber like I said parts can be needed opinions based on how you want to play the game and also since you said it then it should be called most overrated gun for maya also bringing more content to your channel having over rated guns for each character and or play style so this is a ok test but it still can easily be better
***** not really lol I didn't get rekt or whatever I more or less just talked to him but ok
Was just using this on Gaige. I hate best/worst/under and over rated lists on Borderlands. It depends on so much. The character, build, there are so many variables. Especially the way you test stuff. Throwing a grenade at every single enemy you kill... I've seen you play melee Zer0, i know you don't play like a grandpa all the time, so why test like it? This gun absolutely destroys on LBT Gaige. And not having to throw grenades or switch weapons to slag, adds to DPS significantly.
Getting back into BL2 again. Probably have gotten 50 characters to OP8 legit across 3 platforms. These lists (opinions) are such a big reason why i see new players constantly asking for black rarity weapons. 70% of the ppl that play BL2, don't know how to play BL2
there are rainbow rarity weapon now
LBT Gaige is terrible.
Chargeresque someday you'll learn about multiplicative and additive damage. and stopping to switch weapons and BoTA just isnt viable all the time. that being said i rarely build lbt. not even for twister. but to say basically adding an extra shock bone with WDT is terrible, is just stupid. besides most of her skill tree is trash anyway. wtf else you gonna take?
@@Raptchur i always take the bff skill tree
First Name i do too, but its nothing gamebreaking. and you can dip into it and still take WDT. im not saying its her best build. like i did say, i rarely build shock gaige. but i woulf never say its terrible. building for wdt and interspersed outburst with a twister/shock kitten/ black hole is pretty damn fun and very good
I actually do use the florentine as a second wind weapon along with norfleet. my Maya is also a shock build, and since I can't use phaselock or grenades while in crippled state, I don't have any other means of slag. florentine not only slags, but also deals additional damage with the shock status effect to then set up for a norfleet (or any other weapon if I'm out of rockets) kill for second winding. I would say that combo is good enough when trying to get a second wind off of bulkier enemies.
What do you think of the Morningstar? Would it be a useful gun with Critical Ascensi0n since it's bonus stat applies a critical bonus for each stack?
I think the Florentine's best use would be for Gaige built for shock (just for fun) since she has no inherent way to slag enemies.
Would you ever use any slag weapon while having scorn AND ruin?!?
Does the florentine deal less dmg than the chulainn?!? Or is it the bee that boosts my dmg on my shocktrooper Maya build?
I think the best user of this is a shock/dot Gaige, as she can use it alone to slag, electrocute, and burn flesh targets all at once. And considering how shock dots have fewer but stronger ticks, and electrical burn causes the burn effect to be based on her electrocute damage, she's actually getting a really powerful burn on them. Especially with a legendary catalyst mod making her have a 30% multiplicative effect from WDT. On anyone else though, I agree, it's not a great gun.
though you did make this video before the cloud kill buff, basically very weapon is now viable with cloud kill. the buff was something like 3000%. I may be wrong on the percentage, but every boss is easy as hell on maya nowadays.
The only time I used the Florentine was whilst waiting for a slag plasma caster to drop on Axton, then it wasn't too bad, I'm 90% sure something to do with Axton's grenade buffs effect plasma casters because he seems to do much better with them than comparable none E-tech SMGS.
Well, I use this gun to do two things at once: breaking an enemy's shield and slagging him. Once the enemy's shield is depleted and he is slagged, I switch to a fire/corrosive weapon (playing as Krieg) which lets me kill him quite easily. This is a better solution than using another shock-SMG, then switching to a slag-weapon like the Grog Nozzle and then switching again to one of the Kittens (I know that there are people who don't like the Kitten but I think it is quite good for Krieg's elemental regen), either with fire or corrosion. And I don't use Krieg with Buzzaxe-Rampage, but primarily with the Hellborn skilltree (which is imo better and easier in OP8).
Gaige heavily specced into her middle tree with all the lightning buffs.
I don't really like scorn
Mostly because I feel that converge and ruin go great together. All enemies get 100% slagged. Idk tho. What does everyone else think. Maybe I'm missing a poin
Watch Derch.
He is the best maya youtubers I know of and he has a tutorial on how to scorn.
I personally have no experience with scorn, since I have never gotten that far into the harmony tree, but I'm definitely gonna try....
You can use converge, scorn, and ruin in the same build. You'll have enough points at level cap, with a few to spare.
As a practical matter, scorn can be used in FfYL, Phaselock cannot.
Kit Carson fill out a tree at 72 before commenting
How does it compare to the Chulainn?
Yes the florentine is overrated IF you bring a shock tesla, and have ways to slag in your build. Thing is, with florentine on maya, you don't need a shock grenade, on any other character you don't need a shock weapon or a slag option, you can just use flrentine cause it can do both. You can stock up on more versatile weapons because 1 weapon is covering 2 elements.
Ehhh, yeah the gun I think does get too much credit, however it is fun on a gaige running electrical burn and just in general I’d rate it kind of like the Maggie on sal, good gun sure but more of a fun option to use when you wanna spice things up
It has its uses, but after seeing this video it most certainly isn't for Maya. One reason to get the Florentine though is simply because of how often it's available it is in the seraph shop. Though after getting that many seraph crystals to purchase it you're likely to have some amazing (and better) gear from the raid bosses you've killed. The other reason being that it's slag chance may not be great per shot, but it's fire rate and magazine size together make it decent for slagging while its shock damage and DoT keeps it from losing power compared to other slag SMGs. However, the fact you can only obtain it by spending seraph crystals makes it a huge turn-off in my opinion. Regardless, informative video and nice job.
I am reminded now of a time I turned down a Florentine someone wanted to give me, which was gibbed to max, precisely because I remembered trying it and being disappointed (although I hate people trying to give me gear or ask me for dupes to begin with). I had forgotten what weapon it was which I considered to be as poor to me as the Infinity. As of recently, I've been reminded (after giving it another chance) that the Infinity can in fact be useful at times, albeit possibly not the best choice. At least for Vermivorous, having infinite ammo can be nice, but the Florentine? Please.
Shame, too, as it was the weapon I was most excited to see when I first heard about the Tina DLC.
I think Gaige likes the Florentine for three reasons: She has only one slagging skill, and it's unreliable; she doesn't have swap speed on her skill tree; and she can boost its damage more than a number of other characters
There may be better options, but those factors do help the "Florentine is good for Gaige" argument
Speaking as a guy who plays a decent amount of melee krieg, this thing is actually useless for that build. Slag pimp is infinitely more helpful, as are slag singularities. Use those two if you want a slag option on a melee krieg set up. I prefer the slag singularities, given Krieg's disposition towards explosives.
How about for axton?
I understand that zero has much better options
maya doesnt need slag guns
krieg has better slag guns like rapier and grog
sal almost exclusively uses grog
Gaige I assume has way better options
But axton makes sense. I mean you could use slagga instead, but Florentine gets boosted by grenade damage.
Most overrated: DPUH. It is actually a very good weapon, but it does not deserve it's near-deified status.
Ammo consumption C or D-tier
Range: B-tier
Damage: S-tier
FFYL effectiveness: A-tier
People insist those are all A+ rank (most act like they're all S-tier), except sometimes ammo consumption is acknowledged as an issue. Salvador can minimize several of these issues, but since he can mitigate or eliminate *most* weapon/gear shortcomings, that's not really a good comparison. Zer0 and Maya actually have more issues because of bullet speed increases.
Again, it's a strong weapon. Just not the end-all, be-all everyone seems to say it is.
But what i dont understand, is that when the target got slagged the Florentine made 491k dmg compared to that 230ish k with the other gun... basically, it does twice the dmg, and also you dont have to switch between weapons to get them slagged, witch is, in my opinion to prefer in a tight situation.
most of your subscribers including me were 99 percent sure you were gonna say the infinity and then you just dropped a bomb right on our heads. Great video
I was expecting the Florentine. If you watched his does it suck on it , he said its supremely overrated.
I've never personally used the florentine, since I play mostly solo and don't really do raid bosses seraph items aren't really an option for me, but the florentine is one of the guns I want to try on my Gaige, mainly because I could see it working well. Especially since I spec fairly heavily into little big trouble, so the combo of slag and shock seems like it would be more effective. Maybe I'm wrong but that's where I'd be interested in seeing it play.
Best part was in the second room of the bloodshot stronghold as everyone is screaming in agony and he's just quietly talking about the weapon
You mention it a few times in the video but only really went in depth with maya, who has so many slag options, how is this weapon on Gaige specced into Little big trouble?
***** Effective, but not better than a shock Maliwan SMG, or element matching.
How do you get any bone of the ancients?
maybe with gunzerker?, I havn't tried it as I don't enjoy his playstyle but it looks like a nice offhand utility weapon for salvy
The florentine is not meant to do more damage than other shock weapons or to be better at slagging than other slag weapons i also dont see a point in combining it with a shock bone
For me the florentine is simply a slagging tool that strips shields or at least severely damages them at thr same time so you can than switch to a matching element weapon with matching bone to deal effective damage immeadeatly instead of having to first get through the resisting shield
Also it deals enough damage that in an emergency you can kill directly with your slag weapon instead of having to switch first
I like using it on axton on turret downtime when they cant slag enemies for me
doesnt Axton make great use of it since he increases grenade damage and the etech plasma caster is boosted my grenade splash damage?
Most underrated weapon???
Archduke Crunch lolwut the bekkah is appreciated fine. It's the other ARs that go unappreciated.
Joshua Caswell He's said he doesn't understand why people thought he would think the Shredifier sucks, and he destroyed washburne with it. Also the Flakker can be used to great effect if you know how to use it despite how much hate.
Hands down the KarBlaster.
ImtheArbiter You can basically shoehorn every Torgue rifle there too.
Saw bar sux, play uvhm
How about using it in a shock based Gaige build?
what is the best weapon set to complete Digistruct peaik
For a Maya build using Scorn but NOT Ruin, could I slag well enough with a Quasar and one slag weapon or should I use a slag grenade as well?
David Alexis A Quasar would be the best option in that case
David Alexis Scorn has a higher radius than Ruin, but Ruin hits after Converge. A Converge-like effect makes Scorn almost as powerful, so you would want some kind of singularity grenade. The best singularity being the Quasar.
I play sal with dpuh, grog nozzle and infinity. just use the dpuh until you run out of ammo. switch to the infinity and regenerate ammo. works quite well (:
How did you get that helmet??????
The usefuless of the florentine is not its pure DPS output, UVHM is all about combinations to make otherwise unbeatable enemies managable, and all enemies become overlysensitive or overly resistant to elements in UVHM,( example: fire damage against shields is like one tenth as powerful as using a shock weapon against a shield) and the real objective is an enemies health, which will be sensitive to either corrosive or fire( unless Im forgetting some type of enemy vulnerable to shock) and seconds are preciouse in UVHM because slag only last so long and even with the best situation wepaon, kills are sometimes not instant in the case of tankier enemies, so the florentine's real function is slagging and diminishing shields, its an enemy softener, in one, rather than having to slag and waste extra fire or corrosive bullets against an enemy with a particularly strong shield, you can wittle down its shield AND slag it at the same time to go over to the main damage, which is generally corrosive or fire ( explosives does all around good damage with the right build and sort of eliminates the need for other elements on say Krieg or Axton, which is why I am not bringing explosive into the mix) instead of having to slag, waste the slagg effect on the shields to slag again, and then go to the real element you need. So id say that you might have lost sight of that in your review, especially since Builds take a HUGE part also in determining if the weapon is "good" or "bad" for your character, like if you didnt spec axton for explosive damage, and put your points into random skills, saying he is great with the ogre, DPUH, or the Swordsplosion will sound ridiculouse and absurd, just like if you build krieg for his fire build and tried using explosives it may not seem as effective as you read online.
+Jason Daniel Hofmeister The Florentine is a terrible weapon for slagging and a weak weapon for shock damage. The benefit it provides is less than that of switching weapons. Shields are generally so weak that proper slag weapon is more than enough to deplete it. The Florentine is a trash weapon.
can anyone tell me if online for the 360 is closed? it won't let me download the last compatability pack
What is your favourite non sniper gun for ziro
MoLMF, I know the best use, and its for every character:
Throw it in the grinder or sacrifice it
every time I buy the Florentine and quit the game my weapon is no longer in my inventory is this happening to anyone else????
I have another tech question for you Luke?Should I get a GtX 770 with an i7 4790k or a GTX 970 with a amd fx 8320?
Rishi so not mlg i7 build, in my mind. Ideally I'd recommend the 770 and x99 platform, if you could stretch it.
That build is pushing my budget anyway, but thanks for the advice!Would an i5 4690k work well with the gtx 970 and should I overclock my CPU?
Rishi so not mlg I have the i5 4690k and a gtx970 and let me tell you it works quite fine no need to overclock :) i can run everything on highest settings with 60 fps except arma 3. :)
On 1080p or 1440p?Cheers!
Rishi so not mlg on 1920x1080 :)
I personally do not use the Florentine, on maya I have just played with butchers, pimpernels and plasma casters, on gaige I also play with butchers supplemented by norfleets, on zer0 I play with lyudas, pimpernels and the bekah, the Florentine doesn't really fit when there are options like slag grenades, and kunai, sorry if i'm already echoing popular opinion but that's my 2 cents
It would be fun to give Salvador the Florentine and pair it with a Hyperion Corrosive SMG, go into Gunzerker Mode and deal quite a lot of shock corrosive damage with the goodness of slag
would you please touch the subject of the "shock element" I find it rather satisfaying to use even if many people say it does less damage.
I agree shock element is actually good
Florentines op if your trying to just compare the shock damage its going to be underwhelming but the whole point of the gun is to slag the enemy and as you briefly showed the slagged shock damage on your maya was 491k or so over all a pretty bad ass smg imo.
HoneybadgerSoul tv The Florentine is not OP.
HoneybadgerSoul tv There is nothing badass about the Florentine. It's bad for damage, worse for slagging, and practically useless to players that are familiar with their own gear and build.
i thought the picture was a Maggie's lol, i was like its good but because the projectiles are listed it isnt as good as it could be because it doesn't get that good boost from the bee
it always seems like the chulaain or whatever does shock and slag i always see both effects appear
That was a big twist... thought... cant be the infinity... and then i thought probs the sandhawk... and then this shows up?!?!?
Could you do a video highlighting a shotgun zer0 build?
I think the Infinity Pistol was really good when the game first came out. But after the level increases and especially the OP levels I just didn't scale well and just fell to the wayside.
Sir I see the problem with your Maya build for the Florentine, you must have the skill Cloud Kill in order to make it work. I am actually surprised that a veteran of the game wouldn't use such an over-powered skill such as Cloud Kill. Please try it again using Cloud Kill and I'm sure that the Florentine's ability in both crowd control and raid boss killing will go up. Thank you for listening kind sir.
Erik Sawyers Are you joking?
***** Do you really have to ask that?
Slash I can't even tell who is and isn't joking at this point.
Cloud Kill is useless because the damage is so incredibly bad on OP8 it won't even take down a shield.
Paperbeepro At that's the joke
How did you get these weapons. Is it DLC for all of them or are they findable.
Brandon LaPere the Electroman054 dlc
i just reached level 50 but UVHM is just way too hard, how do i make myself stronger so i can handle it?
its not about not being able to handle it, my weapons just suck.
nyanfish It's all about that slag.
I struggeled too in the beginning to get levelled up after TVHM, but a good slag grenade/weapon goes for a long way.
nyanfish Use slag !
+nyanfish slag is mandatory until you get some good weapons
So, i've got perfect parts Florentine five days ago. And solid but not perfect shock Maliwan Plasma Caster. Both lvl 80.
I play Maya lvl 80 Subsequence/Legendary Cat/3SMG-Lyuda build. SMG for every element.
I was kinda agree with most of your thoughts in your video. But
I now use Florentine as main shock SMG.
Because:
Fight for your life and Immolate skill. It saves.
The same principle as slag PBFG or Norfleet or something.
Slag of Florentine just multiply Immolate bonus and you easy save your life.
But it's not as useless as slag PBFG or such rocket launchers expensive ammo, low ammo etc. etc. just slot taking for second wind.
Florentine is not just "slot taking". Particularly, this Florentine even slightly out DPS my not best part Maliwan Shock Plasma Caster. you now, Impetuos firerate prefix and that's all.
Maybe I'll farm better part shock Plasma Caster or even hyperion one. and than Florentine will go to backpack maybe. but now. Fight For Your Life, slightly better DPS so...
Florentine :))
I only use the Florentine to break shields and slag at the same time
Exactly
You should do a challenge where you do a play through and can only use a gun for a period of time then you swop it for the verry next gun you see
But the flouritine makes up for the low damage due to the slag effect
There is better shit for slagging than a Florentine take the Slagga for example
MrSuckmyballs777 But if your using for slag you have to swap and the shock element is only useful for taking down shields so you have to swap anyways
wow it takes 0.5 secs to swap weapons and you can just use a slagnade
Maya doesn't need slag weapons.
It also has a pseudo-legitimate purpose as the offhand for SMG Sal (Which is arguably the dumbest variant of sal possible, but its a thing).
what skin is he using for zero
Yeah, i agree.
*The most underrated gun is for sure, the Pearlescent Butcher shotgun.*
Almost nobody talks about, neither USES it. This shotgun does chew through ammo quite quickly, but the HIGH AS HELL DPS potential makes up for it.
Ok while i am not saying you should use a infinity all the time, i am saying that a fire infinity as gunzerker is good if you are going for a fire rate build, reason for this is most of the time im gunzerking i am spending too much reloading that said thast is just to keep consistant damage up that is all, the infinity is a good weapon for this especially if you go down the middle gunzerk tree.
When you said that it was an SMG I was assuming you were going to get the sandhawk because that in my opinion is much more over rated than the florentine, I've never seen a build that has a florentine ever. I would assume the best way of slagging an enemy would be like a magic missile or a grog or a Dahl/bandit bouncing grenade. I don't think that the florentine would be recommended for every character other then maya due to her cat coms that she gets.
Mitchell Dhu The Florentine is bad with Maya. That's the point.
The Sandhawk is the best SMG in the game.
Most overrated weapon is probably grog. Yes, it has it's uses, but I swear a lot of people can't play without it. Also, my Maya build is very similar to what's shown here. Except mine was more of a "challenge to myself" kind of build because I got tired of playing with friends who wouldn't shoot anything unless it was phaselocked. So I focused more on scorn and used a melee override cooldown relic. That combined with life tap was more than enough for me to go through entire maps without using phaselock at all.
Burning Sharknado If you're not using Phaselock on a character that encourages and uses Phaselock, why use Maya at all? Might as well play Salvador.
Sal doesn't have access to scorn, and Maya is arguably the most balanced character in the game. Plus there is so much more to Maya than just Phaselock. I just don't see any skill or fun in shooting fish in a barrel for 80 levels of play.
Burning Sharknado I agree with you , grog overrated because you can always use the Rubi or others Moxxi guns. Some people think that without grog their build will not work.
Noah S No, overrate means to appraise too highly. In this case the Grog is exactly overrated, just because it's good doesn't mean that it can't be overrated.
Noah S
The best sustain in the game? Not at all, at best it's a convenient way to heal. It's only the best on Salvador. On other characters transfusion grenades, Moxxi Weapons, and certain skills (Life Steal for example) are much better options.
Actually, the florentine has grenade damage, so if you use an axton with multiple nade buffs, this gun is really powerful
But so do plasma casters which, as he showed, can do more damage
I consider the Florentine good just because it functions as a "multitasking" weapon. I rather dislike elemental weapons, and it easily deals with shields and slags enemies in one sweep, so I don't need to use two weapon slots and switch between three weapons for damage. In the end though, it really is just a gimmick weapon like a lot of the legendary and legendary equivalent weapons.
For me, the infinity is only good for 2 situations: to complete all the quests in normal mode, and critical hits on bloodwings head for badass rank.
Srsly? Huh. I like to use it on gunzerker when mobbing and use it as primary slagger on shock gaige. (Plus I don't have slagga)
Pretty subjective overall. You could pretty much replace Florentine with any other weapon and the argument would seem solid. If you already have shock and slag options then yeah, the Florentine is redundant weapon Best replaced. But it’s not a bad option and gives more wiggle room when trying different builds and weapons since duh, you get shock and slag in one.
Honestly your argument here sounds a lot like the ones against the Pimpernel when it first came out. It took quite a while for the pimpernel to earn its slot as one of the best in the community and even then the Pimpernel has it’s caveats.
Actually, Infinity is *more* useful on other characters. With a pair of them and Sal's 'Keep Firing', the fire-rate buff can become debilitating. Or as Maya in the blue tree with infinite healing for everyone. Even my Axton can make admirable use of it, by virtue of sheer continuous damage output, especially with The Bee. It's highly rated because it deserves that rating. Reloading is a downside to everything, so having this around is like a godsend in itself.
Well.... Maya is obviously noone who would ever need a slag weapon if she has ruin and scorn but on other characters? Axton can benefit heavily from it, on the one hand he has got the swap speed and on the other hand his only slag options are weapons and grenades and since he can boost his grenade damage it would be a better choice to invest into grenades that are meant to deal damage(for example the fastball), not to slag. It is somewhat superior to the slagga because of its way better raw damage and the shock damage, If you encounter an enemy with a strong shield you can just keep the Florentine out and strap his shield and leaving him slagged before switching to a fire or corrosive weapon to finish the job, while without it you had to slag him first, then swap to a weapon that does actual damage and is shock strap the shield, always having to change back every few seconds to keep the enemy slagged and then finally to the killing weapon.
like the florentine, not because it is over power, it is because you have only 4 slot of gun, in multiplayer you cant go safely in your inventory and pick another gun, so when you have 1 slot for a fire wapon, o1 for a corrosive, you only have 2 place left. I usualy go with a explosive launcher for a fight for your life weapon, then i only have 1 place left for shock and slag weapon. florentine is perfect for me cause of the weapon number restriction. (even in solo player, i hate to have to open my inventory to switch weapon.
while i dont care about that at all, i will join in
slot 1: corrosive SMG
slot 2: luancher
slot 3: sniper rifle
slot 4: jakobs pistol
im a zero player.
+Martin Ménard-Gravel Bruh lol just go
1: Fire weapon
2:Corrosive weapon
3:the Launcher for FFYL
4 and 5: Slag weapon and Electric Grenade, or vice versa. That's so much better.
where i get that zero head?
i used florentine in tiny tina's assault dragon keep standalone. you can get seraph crystals in normal mode in that stadalone even from pixies.
florentine in normal mode when your level is not enough to have ruin is much more powerful option than most of other smgs. it rocks in normal mode.
in borderlands 2 you have better option to spend your seraph crystals for example antagonist shield.
it is still good shock weapon and beautifully looked fantastic design.
you compared it to shock plasma caster one of the strongest smg in the game. and it yes, weaker but it still strong.
maybe it should be easier to get in normal mode weapon this will make sense.
overrated? definitely. bad weapon? no.
I do like it on krieg just for the shield stripping and slagging before i go intro RTB. (Well also because i dont have a better option right now that i can use for slagging) but i definitely wouldn't use it on maya
wich is that granade?
I melt enemies with Gaige while using Florentine on OP8 fairly quickly, this SMG maybe not the most powerful due it's damage being split between shock and slag but certainly not as useless as you trying to show it here.
is that the florentine or gaige? And would it be impossible to do it better with another weapon? He said solo you can kill enemies with it but that alone doesnt make it good, and thats why he made this video. He didnt say unusable, just that it wasnt the best and wasnt really worth a slot most of the time especially on maya.
yes, it might do lesser damage, but the slag effect what makes it good, it's basically 2 in one shield destroyed while only firing 1 gun. not everyone likes maya after all.
id say the florentine is probably useful against shielded enemies as a sheild breaker that is a good quick way to make them softer for whatever you want to finish then off. that said its still pretty annoying in my book.
Wow it was not the infinity for you Fiber! I had to pick up my jaw from the floor
I am going to take a guess before watching the video: it'd the DPUH or the Infinity Pistol
I mean I can see it being decent with Fastball Krieg if you really wanted to get rid of shields, but Fastball Krieg doesn't really give a fuck about shields. In fact I'd prefer the reliability of the Slagga in those situations almost always anyways.
i think the florentine is very useful , but im a krieg player. i rip through the slaughterdome in the tiny tina dlc very easy and the double element are making it very good.
Sorry I meant how would you kill pete?
Maybe some people just aren’t into combo hits from different sources, pulling one trigger verses button combos it’s maybe just an easy way out for them, and it’s not about the speed of the kill…i don’t know. Personally, i prefer quick kills, without the Florentine being boosted somehow it’s not the best choice, imo
It's good for players that don't have all there skill points and they're skill points maybe spread out since they might not have a good setup.
Not everyone can play on OP level even if BL2 is old. I personally wouldn't use that smg on TVHM up.
Does he get all of his weapons legitimately or use a program? All of them seem to have perfect parts
Gibbed save editor.