Altroz is a real underrated car. We own the 1.2 NA variant but trust me if you are upgrading from an entry level car like the Alto the performance will be great. It's enough for the city. If it's driver driven then no problem at all. The driving dynamics and comfort are spot on. Mileage isn't bad at 12-14 in city and maximum of 24 on the highway. All you need for a family car. Just take a bite for the service centres they aren't as bad as many say about. Quick tip try finding a service center in a small city or town. They are less crowded and give more time to your car.
@@motorinc It's been 3.5 years she's born on October, 2020. She's been trouble free apart from the battery replacement which was done a few months back!
@@pratyasaha9876 Bro I own an August 2020 Tata Altroz Diesel with it's 90 bhp (I wished Tata gave it atleast 100 bhp) and fat 200 nm torque, I feel it's the best engine for Altroz with it's superb handling, perfect suspension setup and dream like steering feedback it is an underrated small beast 🔥
i personally feel tata should drop a diesel version of altroz racer with a tuned up revotorq engine and a 6 speed greabox from nexon because the 1.5 diesel engine in altroz is a very underrated engine which can outperform the i turbo+
Shumi makes me regret my choice of buying a Tata car everytime I hear him talk about them. On top of it being an EV owner I am just bracing for the next words that Shumi has to say about them 😂.
Shumi reminds me of an average IT sector employee who is disgruntled with everything - unhappy with company, unhappy with project, unhappy with promotion, unhappy with salary, unhappy with hike, unhappy with canteen food, unhappy with that broken tap in restroom - some sort of an addiction to whine about everything and not leaving a chance to see the positives
Also with Karthikeya saying this should have been the Altroz GT, maybe Tata gets an idea, launch Altroz GT with minor cosmetic updates and launch another 42 variants. 😅
@@kshitijpandey6514 he only has mentioned in his 50's which could also mean 59. On a serious note, knowing Schumi, he wouldnt want anyone who is not actually racing for a living, racing at all. His (and everyone at TWO riding school) intentions of going to tracks most times is to help others become better riders, 1 rider at a time.
Shumi might not be a fan of TATA's strategy of having a million variants but it's clearly working for them. Having so many variants gives consumers the flexibility to pick and choose what they want in their car which no other manufacturers offer. When we're spending lakhs on a car I believe people don't mind taking their own time going through the feature list and comparing the variants to pick what suits them the best.
I like having other way around give me choice of features list i can add and pay for only those. Sell the car with all safety tech with just the essential and I'll decide which features i want
Tata is still missing lot of cars, No cars in A-segment. Does Nano's failure made Tata tram lethargic. Also why Tata isn't launching CUV on Tiago's platform. Just saw Suzuki's June 2024 sales 1.2 lakhs with 7 out 17 models in top 10. Tata might have only 1-3 models. Punch might be no 1 in sales. But sometimes success blind you(Tata) They need more cars instead of more variants
4:16 completely agree. There are a lot of vocal Polo fans out there, but the Figo was the benchmark in terms of handling characteristics and fun to drive nature.
As an owner of tiago JTP please go to your nearest tata asc and ask them if they have spares for valve cover gasket 😂 they only sell the entire cover assembly and not the gasket for approx. 5200rs. You only learn about Tata when you own a Tata. Cheers!
At this point, Tata should just stop naming it's car variants and just introduce a "Build your own car". Feature wise pricing, add whatever you want and get the final price. 🤷🏻♂️ I don't think even the sales guy can remember all these variants.
First comment here. We've had our iturbo for a couple of years now. Wife and I love it to bits. It's a joy to drive out on open and twisty roads. When this racer came out i was a bit relieved that the the mechanical upgrades were only slight. It killed the fomo I had since the racer was announced last year. I felt this review was slightly lacking - I'd have liked it if karthikeya touched upon the updated ice system, whether or not the ventilated seats do their job well, sunroof functionality - these are new to the altroz after all. Lacks a comprehensive interior review in general. Usually the 'first' series addresses these.
He expects us to increase our standard but we just sit back and disagree and worship what we have But he has experienced world class stuff in his riding career and he expects us to feel those emotions I guess Which is why he questions our taste cuz I am pretty sure manufacturers love to lobby instead of taking the competition head on That's why he was proud of what the new himalayan 450 which did try to be the best adv it possibly could which is why he liked it Hope more manufacturers take on the foreign competition than lobby against it🤞🤞🤞🤞
Great episode guys. One of the main things that I have faced as a prior Tata Nexon owner, the BS6 variant, is the fact that these cars are not reliable. I had that car for around two years and there was a coolant issue which led to the coolant getting mixed in with the engine oil and I ended up having to sell the car because of all the hassles at a much depreciated price than the actual value. For this issue, I blame the car itself and a lot more blame goes to the Tata service across the metro cities of Kolkata and Delhi for never servicing properly despite me sending the car time and again. This has just made me very very apprehensive towards newer Tata cars. The new Altroz Racer as far as I could tell from your episode is just another cosmetic upgrade whereas they need to work on their engines and reliability. All of this is just a distraction. P.S I now drive a 2018 GT TSI 1.2 and couldn’t be happier.
So many people are totally unaware of Altroz Diesel which has 90 bhp and 200 nm torque and boy oh boy it's a beast with it's perfect steering feedback and suspension setup and that lovely chassis it's so so good and I'm a proud owner of an August 2020 Tata Altroz Diesel ❤
Polo not being a sporty car is a great perspective! I have a Taigun GT+ with 17s and have noticed that understeer thing in a few occasions of pushing it beyond the limit. Especially with the factory Goodyear Tyres which are bad. Now I have changed to Conti UC6s and it is much better to drive but I have not pushed it beyond 10/10ths yet. Also the fuel economy has dropped by 7-10%. The more I drive this car, the more I realise it is more of an awesome GT than a sporty car. So according to you, how has the chassis balance changed from Polo/Vento to Taigun/Virtus? In terms of understeery nature etc? Would love to know your thoughts! Also, what would be the best sporty car below a BMW 3 Series? Or let’s say under 50 lakhs? Just the driving dynamics without considering anything else? It seems to be a dying breed! Also it’d be interesting to know what are such options we used to have that are not present anymore! Maybe we can chat in the comments or would love to see a complete podcast on this topic!
@@motorincEspecially Tata launch! And Ofc, he has to remember all the variants along with the pricing, some of which would not be revealed at launch :)
There should be an episode on indian brands as well, like you did on japanese brands on podcast. Like how well are they doing 2W, 4W, ev and all. And where Indian automobile industry stand at global level.
Currently I am an owner of Honda CB350rs & completed almost 26000kms & planning to upgrade something fresh & different! These 3 are on my wishlist Honda NX500 Suzuki vstrom 800DE Honda transalp 750 Will you guyz cover these bikes since it has been a long time these bikes launched in India🤷
As an owner of Altroz naturally exasperated petrol and having done 54k km till now, I can say that the strong points of the car are excellent handling, great ride quality on high ways, good brakes and good steering feedback. The biggest problems are the stupid clutch with the bite so high that it is akin to plucking dates from a palm tree and that notchy long throw gear lever. Engine although less powerful and unrefined, but its not that bad as it is made to look by this combination of gear lever and clutch. As long as u are driving a sedate pace or unhurriedly this is a nice and comfortable experience. The moment pace picks up it becomes difficult to time the clutch release properly and the notchy gearbox takes forever to shift, at times even refuses to shift and u can never maintain the revs leading to a very jerky ride. With the racer I expected them to work on the usable clutch bite range and the gearbox and from the looks of it, that has not been the case. 0-100 timings doesnt matter, I was looking for a car which is easier to drive when the pace picks up. Unless they work on the clutch and gearbox, there is nothing that excites me in this car. And the cherry on top is the Balaji ka tilak 😂.
Heya B! Spot on - the clutch still bites high up. But you don’t have to make as many gear changes in this. So, it didn’t feel as annoying. Thanks for your report on the car.
Who is gearbox supplier of Tata motors same jerky clutch operation with notchy gear changes is found in Tata Nexon which is quite disappointing while driving it in hills
@@freudiansnipad4301 that's for the online guys who have always panned Tata's engine. Believe me the ownership is smooth if you can overlook the idiosyncrasies. No major issue as such and definitely not unreliable as it is made to be in the online forums. Our altroz had small rattles on day 1 and they have remained the same in intensity in the last 4 years and 54k km later. However our Swift Vxi petrol was smooth as butter when new but now after 80k and 6 yrs later, I don't even need a horn. The whole car rattles. The suspension as well as the body panel rattles so much that it is difficult to pinpoint the source of the rattle and roof has a dent because an uncle in a family function thought it wise to lean on our car roof when he was dishing out his opinion about the function😢
I too think this is a marketing team's car not an engineer's car. They did their survey, benchmarked it against competition for "value for money" and created a value for money product to drive sales rather than have a halo product in the lineup. When they launched the JTP, Tata didn't have the numbers they are doing right now and it was a much bigger gamble. But now that they are doing better financially, they seem to have become more risk averse. Reminds me of the scenario from the movie Dark Knight Rises, the only person who is able to actually jump out of the "well dungeon" is the one who does it without the safety net. Safety net makes you hold back a bit. On a different note, the Tata inconsistency seems to be more of the other functions of the company not being able to catch up. While their R&D team is doing a good job, their procurement, production and QC don't seem to have caught up with the kind of products the R&D has envisoned. Plus, the aftersales doesn't seem to have progressed much from the time they were servicing Indicas. Calling this out from the recent experience of buying a Tata Punch in the family.
Hey @akseffect88! Thanks for sharing your take. We agree that Tata has a lot that they need to improve on. Here's hoping that they do before it's too late.
4:20 N Line representation! Good point about them focusing more on the chassis and handling, which is very apparent when you drive one. Also, huge props to Hyundai for keeping the enthusiast car segment alive for the common folk!
When I saw the Altroz Racer's ad on Instagram for the first time, I was excited - finally a hot-hatch! It was full of beautiful images, that I realized were heavily edited / AI generated. Then I read the caption. They'd highlighted the paintjob, sunroof, comfort, infotainment screen, and whatnot. No words about the suspension, no 0-100, no performance data. No substance, all gimmick. C****ya samajh rakha hai in logon ne customers ko -_-
Sadly that's what we have come to in India. People love the gimmicks more than what's underneath your butt. That's why no hot hatch is on sale today except one. Punto Abarth, Polo GT TSI, Baleno RS, Tiago JTP - they all died because they offered substance and less/no gimmicks. At the end of the day you need numbers.
I own Altroz iturbo pertol edition. Its awesome in city & highway. Gearbox can get a bit sticky over the time. Apart from that i have no complaints. I mainly bought this so that my parents can sit well in the back. It serves all this perfectly.
Why doesn't the Abarth Punto ever come into conversations of used, cheap(ish) hatches to buy? Its always the Polo GT TSI. You don't even need to work a lot on the suspension unless you're looking for an autocross build, because it is a fair bit stiffer than the regular Puntos. The chassis was always great, and it comes with the T-Jet engine in its highest state of factory tune. The only drawback is the skinny tyres.
You are absolutely bang on right on Mumbai-Pune highway cruising around 120 kmph you'll always feel a gitter no way it's disturbing or uncomfortable but yes you'll feel it, but again it's very comfortable
Hey guys! Been waiting for an Altroz episode for a long time now as I purchased the previous iturbo last year. In the time I’ve spent with it, I found it’s a beautifully handling car, in fact surprisingly so I’ve you’ve ever driven the Punch or the Nexon. The NA engine felt absolutely gutless, the turbo allows for a little more enthusiastic driving but it only fills in for a deficiency in performance rather than adding a surge of power. I’m wondering how big the delta is between the performance of the iturbo and the iturbo+. Would it be worth it to explore an ECU retune to match that 10BHP gain or let it be as it is?
Its not good to question Tata's consistency. I mean they have been rolling out consistently safe & good cars, which are consistently lacking tight QC & niggle-y, and supported by consistently bad dealership experience!😂
About the suspension: I own i-Turbo for the past two and a half years and I do not understand the need to tune it further. Cause, the suspension is clearly mature and very stable at good speeds. I have no experience with i20 (n-line or regular), all the talks about the suspension tunes for the n-line and how it gives better stability than the non n-line, clearly states that i20 regualr is not fairly stable at good speeds. But, cutrent Altroz lineup is very stable. Maybe Altroz, didnt need a suspension tune or chage. Even if they did, it would make very samll difference with the existing Altroz lineup. What your thoughts on this?
@@AmP_BYD i own the regular i20 and have test driven the nline many times and altroz, the normal i20 has a softer suspension compared to the nline, the dampers are stiffer on nline. This doesnt mean the normal i20 is unstable, its just more comfortable and has more body roll. While the nline handled superb at speeds through corners, the car stays more flat and doesn’t nose dive under breaking, doesn’t understeer like the polo does and rear is stable unlike the altroz. Ive lowered my normal i20 on cobra and it’s drastically improved the handle. Its on par with the stock nline now but nline with cobra suspension is just better, the stiffer damper help a lot. Yes its a lot uncomfortable but for a driving enthusiasts it doesnt matter. The nline is better than any other hatchback sold under 15laks in india.
Indeed Glanza/Baleno are the best all rounder. K series engine that’s a love and buttery smooth. They are the king when it comes to 1.2 NA. i20 is best when we go for Turbo variants and worth all penny. Altroz is one which I want to love but it has niggles at engine end which is heart of any vehicle. It’s like Tank but having a rust at function level which spoils everything. Tata needs to overcome this at earliest and I will be the first one to book and say vocal for local ❤. Waiting…
A made to order with just the components you want would be a dream....and most people would willingly wait for some time before taking delivery. All extra features are basically plug and play/slot in components.....so it's really a mystery that companies do not offer a "make your own car" option on their web site. But then it's not just an issue with India.......afaik no one in the world gives the customer the option of "make your own car"....other than the super luxury segment.
Absolutely spot on with the "experience" factor of owning a Tata or any other brand. Being an owner of 4 years old grand i10 nios amt and 1 year old altroz dca, I must say I wish I had gone ahead for the i20 ivt. Hyundai just gives a hasslefree experience overall.
@@KeyurGoswami it's good till now. Smooth and quick shifts, been on long drive Pune to Goa in flat highways, narrow and uneven country and hilly roads, no problem at all. And yes it's talking point is always the suspension comfort. My comparison reference is my own grand i10 nios amt. For an amt gearbox nothing can beat Hyundai.
@@Ariwin10 thanks, I have NA altroz petrol 2021 model and looking to upgrade to automatic but waiting for DCA and turbo combination. I drive from Bangalore to Ahmedabad twice year and yes suspension comfort is top notch and it’s mile muncher without any issue. But NA is slow as slug
This a brilliant review of the Altroz brand in its entirety. I drive an Altroz petrol (XE) and the engine is rough and the gearbox notchy. It's only after 2-2.5K RPM that the engine wakes up from its beauty sleep and decides to act. But, and I'll say this with full confidence, the car is reliable and does feel robust. It can absorb bad driving habits without giving up on the driver. That said, I believe the Racer edition is more of a cosmetic/last-minute-face-saving gesture to renew buyers' interest. But the i20 N Line will trump it any given day. Will I buy another Altroz when mine gets old? Probably not - at least not until Tata presents a more refined power mill. But I'll keep cherishing its reliability long after I stop owning the Altroz. Great reviewing!
For those stuck in the dark ages of video playback: - Fire up that ancient Safari browser. - Minimize it. - Swipe down the notification panel and hit play. Introducing the “UA-cam Racer” - the temporary fix until we find something better. 😉
It's cz of kartikeya i cancelled my booking for xuv3xo, company called for pdi and i still feel shy about it but had to follow kartikey and booked glanza was not entirety convinced but now seems to be enjoying thanks kartikeya!!!
@@motorinc definitely will keep you posted, have driven 300km so far ! Was in mkt for AT c-suv car like sonet dct or xuv3xo at or creta lower trims but watched all podcast and videos picked up glanza was getting a better deal with toyota service!
I don't understand why variants are being made the villian. Its always better to choose from a wider variety. Allows you to pay for features and transmission combinations you prefer. I buy a car once in 5 years. Once i make up my mind on petrol/diesel/EV/CNG, variants are below 20. With Automatic or manual or AMT it boils down below 10. Once in 5 years, I can spare 20 mins to go through the options I pay 10-30 lakhs for.
You are talking about you @uaeindi. Which looks to be working pretty well for you. Imagine someone who's buying their first car and doesn't know the difference between all of these "options". For them, these many choices can be crippling.
@@motorinc Even for new buyers, doing a research of 1 hour doesn't hurt. Plus Tatas sales team does a good job. Better than Hyundai or VW who don't even offer a test drive.
I am one of those who own the Alteoz i-Turbo. The sole reason to purchase was that Polo was getting discontinued and i20 N-Line only had an automatic transmission and JTPs were already gone. Worst thing about my car I feel is the gearbox which I hope has improved with the 6-speed as the 5 speed is bad. Still love my car though and for me it’s best in the world. Thanks MotorInc
That suggestion was specific to Jawa @kshitijpandey6514 because looking at the bikes' appearances, you'd think they'd all ride differently but the engine tuning is the same on all of them. It isn't applicable universally!
Guys please look into all the issues Tata Cars are having. Many of us suffer from engine issues after ~ 40,000 kms ( coolant and oil getting mixed). Also many face constant software issues and the after sales service is really really bad. Tata should do something about all these urgently. Its horrible.
While I understand that there are issues with Tata, I am not sure if the online hatred is justified for them. I mean, i have never heard any horror story of Tata motors vehicles from the actual owners. They have been using for 5-10 years miniumum and none of them have sold it in 2-3 years due to problems. I think Tata motors have a lot of following in social media compared to other brands, hence the compaints online seem disproportionately more.
@adi_1706 i got hexa 5 years back.....im 4 months engine broke down and sold it at a depreciation of 40% in 7 months and thats the problem tata not consistent...one goes for years and other goes down to garaage ina week
Shumi asking the question at the begining is it new and karthik's expression was really every tata owners reaction. And i love it when these 2 talk. People see the humor and without knowing listeners are taught on every podacst. They are the teachers we need.😂
At the moment Altroz has 37 variants ( I counted btw)😮💨, including all engine and transmission options. Tata really need to work on the variants strategy. This is really confusing😵💫. Really appreciate Maruti keeping their variants strategy simple
So true !! I just went to check Tata Punch. What I had in mind was just a few specifics like the I wanted good performance engine, safety features, push start button, key less entry etc etc. I was very excited to check it out. But when I saw the list of variants I was a bit taken aback, like there are 4 major Variants and in that, again there are many variants...It's soooo confusing that I ultimately lost track of which is offer what feature and whats the difference btwn the variant, then started loosing interest and came back. They really need to work on the variants part
@@PicsatronicsStudiothe Punch is the best selling car in the country. No one is having this version problem irl. I don't know why this is even a point that Shumi makes.
@@motorinc the atomic orange dual tone color scheme of the altroz racer looks kinda similar to the color scheme of the Ben 10 alien force watch known as Omnitrix 😅
Exactly... Very well said about the sport variant from any brand... The best way is done by Hyundai because the normal i20,Creta and i20 N-line and Creta N-line feel like different cars and drive like what it was meant to be the Hot hatchback...
Did they fix the offset steering wheel? And how do buyers miss out on this? When Altroz was launched, I remember going to the showroom and sitting in the demo car and the first thing I noticed was the steering is offset. Same thing with Nexon.
@@motorinc when I saw the Nexon facelift episode where Karthik mentioned the steering in Nexon and Altroz is offset, I was ecstatic because none of my friends believed it! MotorInc is the only channel that has mentioned this on record
Planning to buy the racer R1. Not for racing, but for family drives (mostly city, sometimes highways). Going for it because of the looks (not the strips, ofcourse) and the nexon engine in it. Is it the right choice?
Great observations for how Indian brands can be successful and how important this is as we have all the logistics to export our made in india products. I think it will be hard for any brand to scale down the number of variants as this will have impact during servicing and reselling the car. Tata should hire Shumi as a product marketing consultant
I totally agree with Karthik. I bought the Altroz when it was lauched (2020). I was really excited to buy it. But, when I drove it, it was quite the disapointment. Some things right, some things wrong (mainly engine). I had to adjust myself for it to make sense as a buying option. My dad thought it was good, and not too much an issue. So we bought it. But, I still love the car with all its downsides. I do enjoy driving it. The last car that I enjoyed driving was the polo before that. Altroz is as good or slightly better than polo's handling. Never felt that I lose control over the car at whatever speed I go. I have touched 170 which is where the limiter is I guess becase the throttle didnt do much after that. It was just a one time thing, I know shumi is gonna yell at me for that 😅. I wished for altroz to have nexon's engine way back in 2020 and it has become the reality now.
@@motorinc Its the 3 cylinder NA engine. I knew the i20 was gonna launch its new model. But, couldnt wait that long coz I waited too long for altroz to launch.
On quality, when I was looking to buy my first motorcycle in 2007, I was thinking between Pulsar/Discover v/s Unicorn/Achiever/CBZ Extreme. I got some very sane advice from a senior who told me - Go for a HeroHonda/Honda, because on day-1 Bajaj will ride as well or better than HH/Honda, but after 3 years of use, HH/Honda expereience will be 85% of day-1 while Bajaj will be 60% because of niggles. Same thing with Tata/Mahindra v/s Suzuki/Hyundai
Bajaj has come a long way in last 15 years and proved their ability to develop good vehicles, but in 2007-08 they were still going through the transition
Rather than working on launching new cars Tata should work on their engines and electronics for 1 year and they can take over the market. They are curving everything but not curving the engine manufacturing trajectory.
If you like Tata Altroz Racer and holding back due to the way it looks, just take it to a reputed detailing studio after delivery and get the bonnet wrapped in body colour shade. Not sure about Orange but the White and Grey wraps are easily available.
Like Bajaj having too many pulsars and Tata having too many variants, I see lot of sarcasm in your videos..😂 Said that, Liked the content on what kind of buyers can buy the machine in discussion and its alternatives.. please add bit more content on the same..
I purchased the tata tiago last year, it doesnt get driven a lot (8000km till now) major problem i am facing car gives mileage of 12-13kmpl the tata service people say nothing is wrong with the car (I am yet to take it out to a 3rd party mechanic) and there are two small problems in the software sometimes when i start the car the sound system starts and works but the screen doesnt it gets resolved by a restart and once the reverse sensors stopped working with a warning on screen saying take it to the service center which again got resolved by a restart. Finally another small issue the air pump they give us with it complimentary it stopped working after the first use. I believe all of these issues are small issues but they do add up to an inconvenient experience except for the mileage because oh my god i am a student and that car drinks petrol like a college student drinks OMR.
Rating this a five star😊. I just love the way schumi describes his points and shows his disappointment. Some may think of it as being over-critical but we need more people like him in the automotive journalism where there is an absolute lack of criticism for any car. We need more Schumis - seriously. Kartikey just complements the show as that base key board player in a band whose work is core to the band but it’s not over the top like the lead singer or say the - guitarist 😊 Kudos to both of you.
The sporty hatch I could count on was the Abarth Punto. It was simply too good. Polo GT may come next after the aftermarket suspension of course. TATA has to either bring in back the JTP variant as this feels a Little too normal for a Racer Tag. Agreeing to the point that TATA isn't consistent enough.
The rainforest challenge comment does make one think. If not for the SUV craze in the market, Tata could have done such a great crossover. This is such a Subaru thing.
Almost 2 years after buying a Nexon EV, fixing the incorrect model in the insurance (also a TaTa company) took more than a year and finally done by escalating to the insurance company, 2 OE front tyres that collapsed within 2500kms I just gave up, home charger set-up done by yet another TaTa company got tired of waiting for an audit; and as for after-sales and service? The car works but is a sunk cost Will my next EV be a TaTa car? You got to be kidding.
@@motorinc - why no Altroz EV and why the Nexon? As a few EV users have pointed out, and yours truly agrees, an EV in India is better provided with a ground clearance of 200mm or more, given the risk of the battery case touching bottom. Yes, the Tiago and Altroz have almost the same ground clearance, but it does appear that the battery case in the Tiago has a higher ground clearance.
One of the more entertaining first impressions I have seen! 23:05, 29:10 and 46:10 - ROTFL!!! I swear...Schumi you... Couple of things probably that I was waiting on...differences between the racer variants and whether you have a preference or whether they even needed them! The lack of rear discs...? And despite all the worries and references to baleno and nline...one crucial aspect that Tata nails but both Hyundai and Maruti fail on is the safety rating. You seem to sideswipe that aspect of the car fairly easily without realizing how critical that aspect is and the fact that most, if not all, Tata (and Mahindra too) vehicles score a high safety rating should be a positive aspect to highlight. That in itself should be a comforting point.
Hi @shreeharimenon5275, we believe currently it's just a showcase. If Xiaomi decides to launch it in India, we'll share our thoughts once we get to drive it.
Either Tata's conversion system is faulty or they just boost the economy numbers. My Tiago xza-petrol shows economy of 16km/pl in the city and 21 km/pl out on the highway, but it actually delivers 11-12 km/pl in the city and 17-18km/pl on the highway.
@18.40 when shumi said stick your head out of sunroof, Just imagine & google and person driving a tank & looking out of the hatch, you will instantly imagine what it will look in car.🤣🤣
After using Nexon for 3 years now im already inclined towards buying a foriegn brand as my next vehicle. So im looking for a new bike and im like i cant go for Indian brand again, i want a superior quality product. No compromises! No RE, no Hero!
Awesome content. However the thing you mentioned about the VWs platform caught my attention. Can you please elaborate on that? What’s wrong with the suspension? Thanks!
Hullo! Could we do some self promotion? Check out our View on the Taigun? The suspension isn’t supple enough for our conditions - especially the SUVs. The Virtus/Slavia are better than them.
You forgot about blind view monitoring . This is the cheapest car with ventilated seat and blind view monitoring system. Also 120 ps at 12 lakhs and 11sec 0-100 is almost as good as slavia or virtus 1 .0 at their base price with good mileage. If this has tall seating even being a hatch back what would you comment on germans tall seating. I am not tata fan boy.
The i20 N line has the same 120ps from a much more refined engine and a very nice shifting manual gearbox for the same price. I’m not sure why anyone would pick the Altroz racer over that thing. Also the N line has a sub 10 second 0-100
Totally agreed, one of my frnd has previous petrol variant, performance is not great, in highways, it struggles to overtake. Also tata cars, i felt breaking performance is also not good.....my insight is from driving harrier, punch and altroz.
*Chapters*
00:00 Cosmetic Tata Altroz?
02:53 Is It Sporty?
05:43 What's Changed
10:53 Driving The Altroz
15:34 A Family Car
19:55 The Exhaust Note
21:19 Wait To Buy Altroz
23:50 Everyday Practicality
26:30 Consistent Experiences
28:27 New SUV Platforms
29:47 World-Class Tatas Needed
34:58 Design
37:00 Tata Altroz Electric?
39:21 Smaller Details
40:50 Quick Summary
45:57 What's Next
48:32 Closing Comments
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Petition for Karthik to review all 104 varients of the nexon 😂
Maar daala!
@@motorinc Don't be lazy Karthik 😂
Awesome 😂
While writing this comment, TATA has just added 3 more variants😅 sorry 3 more personas
Altroz is a real underrated car. We own the 1.2 NA variant but trust me if you are upgrading from an entry level car like the Alto the performance will be great. It's enough for the city. If it's driver driven then no problem at all. The driving dynamics and comfort are spot on. Mileage isn't bad at 12-14 in city and maximum of 24 on the highway. All you need for a family car. Just take a bite for the service centres they aren't as bad as many say about. Quick tip try finding a service center in a small city or town. They are less crowded and give more time to your car.
Thanks PS! That’s helpful! How long have you had it?
@@motorinc It's been 3.5 years she's born on October, 2020. She's been trouble free apart from the battery replacement which was done a few months back!
You get 24 on highway?
@@pratyasaha9876 Bro I own an August 2020 Tata Altroz Diesel with it's 90 bhp (I wished Tata gave it atleast 100 bhp) and fat 200 nm torque, I feel it's the best engine for Altroz with it's superb handling, perfect suspension setup and dream like steering feedback it is an underrated small beast 🔥
@@harshaddhavalikar9123 Yes buddy at 80 kmph in eco mode
i personally feel tata should drop a diesel version of altroz racer with a tuned up revotorq engine and a 6 speed greabox from nexon because the 1.5 diesel engine in altroz is a very underrated engine which can outperform the i turbo+
@@jai9293 Like Ford did with the Figo Sport!
That was another pocket rocket which people forget!
I own this and it's a beast, don't know why people don't talk about it
@@prithvirajhfernandez8582 that's the exact reason why I commented
On an unrelated note, I'd love an episode introducing the MotorInc team. Their work is fantastic, from visuals, to music, and edits.
Thanks for asking UB! 🙏🏾
Shumi makes me regret my choice of buying a Tata car everytime I hear him talk about them. On top of it being an EV owner I am just bracing for the next words that Shumi has to say about them 😂.
😆 No need to be @rawalsushant. Once you have a vehicle, it's the best in the world for you. 😊
Shumi doesn't like cars. Don't regret your choice based on someone who's biased towards bikes. 🫂
@@Swagat_kPno no it’s just the tatas
I am happy with my Nexon. It is my first car. Would I like other cars after that YES. But it's a nice car to have as your first.
Shumi reminds me of an average IT sector employee who is disgruntled with everything - unhappy with company, unhappy with project, unhappy with promotion, unhappy with salary, unhappy with hike, unhappy with canteen food, unhappy with that broken tap in restroom - some sort of an addiction to whine about everything and not leaving a chance to see the positives
Also with Karthikeya saying this should have been the Altroz GT, maybe Tata gets an idea, launch Altroz GT with minor cosmetic updates and launch another 42 variants. 😅
Nooooo!
The engine upgrade the latest infotainment system sold me to buy this 🥵
Thanks for letting us know!
No you didn't
If elders shouldn't race, what is Schumi doing at race tracks multiple times a year?
As usual great banter!
Not racing! But going faasst!
@surajshanbhag you are calling him an elderly person
Man is just 50 I guess
Not too old so racing is fine
@@motorincjust like altrozz racer😅😅
@@kshitijpandey6514 he only has mentioned in his 50's which could also mean 59. On a serious note, knowing Schumi, he wouldnt want anyone who is not actually racing for a living, racing at all. His (and everyone at TWO riding school) intentions of going to tracks most times is to help others become better riders, 1 rider at a time.
@@surajshanbhagfair enough was just saying that as a joke
Shumi might not be a fan of TATA's strategy of having a million variants but it's clearly working for them. Having so many variants gives consumers the flexibility to pick and choose what they want in their car which no other manufacturers offer. When we're spending lakhs on a car I believe people don't mind taking their own time going through the feature list and comparing the variants to pick what suits them the best.
Hey VB, good to have your take. Choice is good. Too much choice is crippling. 🤷♂️
I like having other way around give me choice of features list i can add and pay for only those. Sell the car with all safety tech with just the essential and I'll decide which features i want
@@motorincespecially for dealers itself..
Tata is still missing lot of cars, No cars in A-segment. Does Nano's failure made Tata tram lethargic. Also why Tata isn't launching CUV on Tiago's platform. Just saw Suzuki's June 2024 sales 1.2 lakhs with 7 out 17 models in top 10. Tata might have only 1-3 models. Punch might be no 1 in sales. But sometimes success blind you(Tata) They need more cars instead of more variants
This video should be published on ...tv so everybody can watch it and they couldn't know the truth about highly overrated altroz#racer
Dear editor please make compilations of kartikeya's awesome sound effects and post it at the end of the year. 4:05, it was awesome.
I second this!
Noted! 😆
I loved the ugggfffhhhh in the carburettor part in the this connect episode 10
Adding to the list - 14:38
4:16 completely agree. There are a lot of vocal Polo fans out there, but the Figo was the benchmark in terms of handling characteristics and fun to drive nature.
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I Feel You
Altroz racer is the perfect hatchback in the city and outside as well 🙌
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25 people liked it and none of them will buy
As an owner of tiago JTP please go to your nearest tata asc and ask them if they have spares for valve cover gasket 😂 they only sell the entire cover assembly and not the gasket for approx. 5200rs. You only learn about Tata when you own a Tata. Cheers!
At this point, Tata should just stop naming it's car variants and just introduce a "Build your own car". Feature wise pricing, add whatever you want and get the final price. 🤷🏻♂️ I don't think even the sales guy can remember all these variants.
First comment here. We've had our iturbo for a couple of years now. Wife and I love it to bits. It's a joy to drive out on open and twisty roads. When this racer came out i was a bit relieved that the the mechanical upgrades were only slight. It killed the fomo I had since the racer was announced last year.
I felt this review was slightly lacking - I'd have liked it if karthikeya touched upon the updated ice system, whether or not the ventilated seats do their job well, sunroof functionality - these are new to the altroz after all. Lacks a comprehensive interior review in general. Usually the 'first' series addresses these.
Thank you for the feedback @Rururay. We'll hopefully get to test it for longer and if we do, we'll address the common questions there too.
Sumi woke up and chose violence 😂 roasted both Indian car buyers and companies 😅
He expects us to increase our standard but we just sit back and disagree and worship what we have
But he has experienced world class stuff in his riding career and he expects us to feel those emotions I guess
Which is why he questions our taste cuz I am pretty sure manufacturers love to lobby instead of taking the competition head on
That's why he was proud of what the new himalayan 450 which did try to be the best adv it possibly could which is why he liked it
Hope more manufacturers take on the foreign competition than lobby against it🤞🤞🤞🤞
Absolutely!
I saw the tata altroz racer in the showroom And oh boy does it look so good looking just love the car for it looks.
Great episode guys. One of the main things that I have faced as a prior Tata Nexon owner, the BS6 variant, is the fact that these cars are not reliable. I had that car for around two years and there was a coolant issue which led to the coolant getting mixed in with the engine oil and I ended up having to sell the car because of all the hassles at a much depreciated price than the actual value. For this issue, I blame the car itself and a lot more blame goes to the Tata service across the metro cities of Kolkata and Delhi for never servicing properly despite me sending the car time and again. This has just made me very very apprehensive towards newer Tata cars. The new Altroz Racer as far as I could tell from your episode is just another cosmetic upgrade whereas they need to work on their engines and reliability. All of this is just a distraction.
P.S I now drive a 2018 GT TSI 1.2 and couldn’t be happier.
Happy GT TSI-ing! ❤️
Psych exam in an hour guys, I'll be back to tell how it goes and watch this!
All the best! Keep us posted!
How was your exam?
How was it??
Ayo, how was the exam?
thanks guys ! it went phenomenal !
So many people are totally unaware of Altroz Diesel which has 90 bhp and 200 nm torque and boy oh boy it's a beast with it's perfect steering feedback and suspension setup and that lovely chassis it's so so good and I'm a proud owner of an August 2020 Tata Altroz Diesel ❤
Glad to hear that @daninwheels1006. Thanks for sharing!
Polo not being a sporty car is a great perspective! I have a Taigun GT+ with 17s and have noticed that understeer thing in a few occasions of pushing it beyond the limit. Especially with the factory Goodyear Tyres which are bad. Now I have changed to Conti UC6s and it is much better to drive but I have not pushed it beyond 10/10ths yet. Also the fuel economy has dropped by 7-10%. The more I drive this car, the more I realise it is more of an awesome GT than a sporty car. So according to you, how has the chassis balance changed from Polo/Vento to Taigun/Virtus? In terms of understeery nature etc? Would love to know your thoughts!
Also, what would be the best sporty car below a BMW 3 Series? Or let’s say under 50 lakhs? Just the driving dynamics without considering anything else? It seems to be a dying breed! Also it’d be interesting to know what are such options we used to have that are not present anymore! Maybe we can chat in the comments or would love to see a complete podcast on this topic!
We need shumi going for a car launch
P S :I am never going to stop commenting until this happens.
We are with you!
@@motorincEspecially Tata launch! And Ofc, he has to remember all the variants along with the pricing, some of which would not be revealed at launch :)
There should be an episode on indian brands as well, like you did on japanese brands on podcast. Like how well are they doing 2W, 4W, ev and all. And where Indian automobile industry stand at global level.
I like the oversized tees that @Kartikeya wears in many of these podcasts.. Where can I get those ?
@@tanush7789 looks really comfortable, even I want to know
This engine should have been the one when the car was launched, given the beautiful platform it is built on.
So true RS!
Currently I am an owner of Honda CB350rs & completed almost 26000kms & planning to upgrade something fresh & different! These 3 are on my wishlist
Honda NX500
Suzuki vstrom 800DE
Honda transalp 750
Will you guyz cover these bikes since it has been a long time these bikes launched in India🤷
Even I am waiting for honda NX500 review for so so long😢
Waiting for the boys to cover the big bikes
You guys seem to really enjoy the Baleno. Can you please discuss that car in detail too? Perhaps covering the older generations too
Question : would the stripes affect lane keep assist on SUVs following the racer?
That’s a good question. We hope not!
As an owner of Altroz naturally exasperated petrol and having done 54k km till now, I can say that the strong points of the car are excellent handling, great ride quality on high ways, good brakes and good steering feedback. The biggest problems are the stupid clutch with the bite so high that it is akin to plucking dates from a palm tree and that notchy long throw gear lever. Engine although less powerful and unrefined, but its not that bad as it is made to look by this combination of gear lever and clutch. As long as u are driving a sedate pace or unhurriedly this is a nice and comfortable experience. The moment pace picks up it becomes difficult to time the clutch release properly and the notchy gearbox takes forever to shift, at times even refuses to shift and u can never maintain the revs leading to a very jerky ride. With the racer I expected them to work on the usable clutch bite range and the gearbox and from the looks of it, that has not been the case. 0-100 timings doesnt matter, I was looking for a car which is easier to drive when the pace picks up. Unless they work on the clutch and gearbox, there is nothing that excites me in this car. And the cherry on top is the Balaji ka tilak 😂.
Heya B! Spot on - the clutch still bites high up. But you don’t have to make as many gear changes in this. So, it didn’t feel as annoying. Thanks for your report on the car.
I know it was a typo, but 'naturally exasperated' might just describe the Tata buyers' state of mind after they get their vehicle :P
@@freudiansnipad4301 😀
Who is gearbox supplier of Tata motors same jerky clutch operation with notchy gear changes is found in Tata Nexon which is quite disappointing while driving it in hills
@@freudiansnipad4301 that's for the online guys who have always panned Tata's engine. Believe me the ownership is smooth if you can overlook the idiosyncrasies. No major issue as such and definitely not unreliable as it is made to be in the online forums. Our altroz had small rattles on day 1 and they have remained the same in intensity in the last 4 years and 54k km later. However our Swift Vxi petrol was smooth as butter when new but now after 80k and 6 yrs later, I don't even need a horn. The whole car rattles. The suspension as well as the body panel rattles so much that it is difficult to pinpoint the source of the rattle and roof has a dent because an uncle in a family function thought it wise to lean on our car roof when he was dishing out his opinion about the function😢
I too think this is a marketing team's car not an engineer's car. They did their survey, benchmarked it against competition for "value for money" and created a value for money product to drive sales rather than have a halo product in the lineup.
When they launched the JTP, Tata didn't have the numbers they are doing right now and it was a much bigger gamble. But now that they are doing better financially, they seem to have become more risk averse.
Reminds me of the scenario from the movie Dark Knight Rises, the only person who is able to actually jump out of the "well dungeon" is the one who does it without the safety net. Safety net makes you hold back a bit.
On a different note, the Tata inconsistency seems to be more of the other functions of the company not being able to catch up. While their R&D team is doing a good job, their procurement, production and QC don't seem to have caught up with the kind of products the R&D has envisoned. Plus, the aftersales doesn't seem to have progressed much from the time they were servicing Indicas. Calling this out from the recent experience of buying a Tata Punch in the family.
Hey @akseffect88! Thanks for sharing your take. We agree that Tata has a lot that they need to improve on. Here's hoping that they do before it's too late.
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N Line representation!
Good point about them focusing more on the chassis and handling, which is very apparent when you drive one.
Also, huge props to Hyundai for keeping the enthusiast car segment alive for the common folk!
Hullo NN! How long have you had it?
@@motorinc Completed 7 months now.
When I saw the Altroz Racer's ad on Instagram for the first time, I was excited - finally a hot-hatch! It was full of beautiful images, that I realized were heavily edited / AI generated. Then I read the caption. They'd highlighted the paintjob, sunroof, comfort, infotainment screen, and whatnot. No words about the suspension, no 0-100, no performance data. No substance, all gimmick. C****ya samajh rakha hai in logon ne customers ko -_-
Go faster looking. That’s top priority.
Sadly that's what we have come to in India. People love the gimmicks more than what's underneath your butt. That's why no hot hatch is on sale today except one. Punto Abarth, Polo GT TSI, Baleno RS, Tiago JTP - they all died because they offered substance and less/no gimmicks. At the end of the day you need numbers.
Citreon C3 turbo available now@@MikBan
I own Altroz iturbo pertol edition. Its awesome in city & highway. Gearbox can get a bit sticky over the time. Apart from that i have no complaints. I mainly bought this so that my parents can sit well in the back. It serves all this perfectly.
Why doesn't the Abarth Punto ever come into conversations of used, cheap(ish) hatches to buy? Its always the Polo GT TSI. You don't even need to work a lot on the suspension unless you're looking for an autocross build, because it is a fair bit stiffer than the regular Puntos. The chassis was always great, and it comes with the T-Jet engine in its highest state of factory tune. The only drawback is the skinny tyres.
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Same issue as the Polo. Average chassis, average suspension but decent drivetrain.
The issue with it was the weight. And it was still a bit tall. These affected handling and performance. It could have been so much more.
You are absolutely bang on right on Mumbai-Pune highway cruising around 120 kmph you'll always feel a gitter no way it's disturbing or uncomfortable but yes you'll feel it, but again it's very comfortable
Hey guys! Been waiting for an Altroz episode for a long time now as I purchased the previous iturbo last year.
In the time I’ve spent with it, I found it’s a beautifully handling car, in fact surprisingly so I’ve you’ve ever driven the Punch or the Nexon. The NA engine felt absolutely gutless, the turbo allows for a little more enthusiastic driving but it only fills in for a deficiency in performance rather than adding a surge of power.
I’m wondering how big the delta is between the performance of the iturbo and the iturbo+. Would it be worth it to explore an ECU retune to match that 10BHP gain or let it be as it is?
Not enough for your to FOMO! Enjoy your Altroz MD!
My Grande Punto still sets the bar high in driving dynamics and very engaging irrespective of road conditions.
Its not good to question Tata's consistency. I mean they have been rolling out consistently safe & good cars, which are consistently lacking tight QC & niggle-y, and supported by consistently bad dealership experience!😂
You almost had us there @museycal!😅
If those Tata stans could read they'd be very upset
Another MotorInc video morning! Good Morning 🏍️
Morning Sreejat!
About the suspension:
I own i-Turbo for the past two and a half years and I do not understand the need to tune it further. Cause, the suspension is clearly mature and very stable at good speeds.
I have no experience with i20 (n-line or regular), all the talks about the suspension tunes for the n-line and how it gives better stability than the non n-line, clearly states that i20 regualr is not fairly stable at good speeds.
But, cutrent Altroz lineup is very stable. Maybe Altroz, didnt need a suspension tune or chage. Even if they did, it would make very samll difference with the existing Altroz lineup.
What your thoughts on this?
@@AmP_BYD i own the regular i20 and have test driven the nline many times and altroz, the normal i20 has a softer suspension compared to the nline, the dampers are stiffer on nline. This doesnt mean the normal i20 is unstable, its just more comfortable and has more body roll. While the nline handled superb at speeds through corners, the car stays more flat and doesn’t nose dive under breaking, doesn’t understeer like the polo does and rear is stable unlike the altroz. Ive lowered my normal i20 on cobra and it’s drastically improved the handle. Its on par with the stock nline now but nline with cobra suspension is just better, the stiffer damper help a lot. Yes its a lot uncomfortable but for a driving enthusiasts it doesnt matter. The nline is better than any other hatchback sold under 15laks in india.
It would be fun to have both together to see what happens.
Indeed Glanza/Baleno are the best all rounder. K series engine that’s a love and buttery smooth. They are the king when it comes to 1.2 NA.
i20 is best when we go for Turbo variants and worth all penny.
Altroz is one which I want to love but it has niggles at engine end which is heart of any vehicle. It’s like Tank but having a rust at function level which spoils everything.
Tata needs to overcome this at earliest and I will be the first one to book and say vocal for local ❤.
Waiting…
Why cant manufacturers sells cars with the basic requirements and the features as a option list, where we can choose what we want?
That’s a must now.
A made to order with just the components you want would be a dream....and most people would willingly wait for some time before taking delivery.
All extra features are basically plug and play/slot in components.....so it's really a mystery that companies do not offer a "make your own car" option on their web site.
But then it's not just an issue with India.......afaik no one in the world gives the customer the option of "make your own car"....other than the super luxury segment.
Absolutely spot on with the "experience" factor of owning a Tata or any other brand. Being an owner of 4 years old grand i10 nios amt and 1 year old altroz dca, I must say I wish I had gone ahead for the i20 ivt. Hyundai just gives a hasslefree experience overall.
How's your overall experience with DCA (Specific to Gearbox)
@@KeyurGoswami it's good till now. Smooth and quick shifts, been on long drive Pune to Goa in flat highways, narrow and uneven country and hilly roads, no problem at all. And yes it's talking point is always the suspension comfort. My comparison reference is my own grand i10 nios amt. For an amt gearbox nothing can beat Hyundai.
@@Ariwin10 thanks, I have NA altroz petrol 2021 model and looking to upgrade to automatic but waiting for DCA and turbo combination. I drive from Bangalore to Ahmedabad twice year and yes suspension comfort is top notch and it’s mile muncher without any issue. But NA is slow as slug
Not seen a single racer on road since this review video.
This a brilliant review of the Altroz brand in its entirety. I drive an Altroz petrol (XE) and the engine is rough and the gearbox notchy. It's only after 2-2.5K RPM that the engine wakes up from its beauty sleep and decides to act. But, and I'll say this with full confidence, the car is reliable and does feel robust. It can absorb bad driving habits without giving up on the driver. That said, I believe the Racer edition is more of a cosmetic/last-minute-face-saving gesture to renew buyers' interest. But the i20 N Line will trump it any given day. Will I buy another Altroz when mine gets old? Probably not - at least not until Tata presents a more refined power mill. But I'll keep cherishing its reliability long after I stop owning the Altroz. Great reviewing!
Thanks for pitching in @hirakd2800! Great to hear from an owner. 😊
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Introducing the “UA-cam Racer” - the temporary fix until we find something better. 😉
Haha! Love the name for the hack!😆
On mobile I assume.
Firefox -> Background Play extension + UblockOrigins
aka, youtube premium at home.
It's cz of kartikeya i cancelled my booking for xuv3xo, company called for pdi and i still feel shy about it but had to follow kartikey and booked glanza was not entirety convinced but now seems to be enjoying thanks kartikeya!!!
Hey SH! How’s it going? Please could you keep us posted. Glad to hear about your decision. 🙏🏾
@@motorinc definitely will keep you posted, have driven 300km so far ! Was in mkt for AT c-suv car like sonet dct or xuv3xo at or creta lower trims but watched all podcast and videos picked up glanza was getting a better deal with toyota service!
Sales team of Tata : Alok Nath
Service team of Tata: Rami Reddy
Ownership experience: Nirupama Roy
I don't understand why variants are being made the villian. Its always better to choose from a wider variety. Allows you to pay for features and transmission combinations you prefer. I buy a car once in 5 years. Once i make up my mind on petrol/diesel/EV/CNG, variants are below 20. With Automatic or manual or AMT it boils down below 10. Once in 5 years, I can spare 20 mins to go through the options I pay 10-30 lakhs for.
You are talking about you @uaeindi. Which looks to be working pretty well for you. Imagine someone who's buying their first car and doesn't know the difference between all of these "options". For them, these many choices can be crippling.
@@motorinc Even for new buyers, doing a research of 1 hour doesn't hurt. Plus Tatas sales team does a good job. Better than Hyundai or VW who don't even offer a test drive.
Eagerly Waiting for detailed talk on Bajaj CNG Freedom
Noted!
Shumi and his CURVY puns🫡🤣
More like Curvicé and Curev puns 😅😅
I am one of those who own the Alteoz i-Turbo. The sole reason to purchase was that Polo was getting discontinued and i20 N-Line only had an automatic transmission and JTPs were already gone. Worst thing about my car I feel is the gearbox which I hope has improved with the 6-speed as the 5 speed is bad. Still love my car though and for me it’s best in the world. Thanks MotorInc
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I thought shumi would call it Altrozev not Altroz E V😅😅😂😂
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Batata is thing which Shumi suggested Jawa to do right ??
How would he feel about 4 engines with different tuning on same chasis
That suggestion was specific to Jawa @kshitijpandey6514 because looking at the bikes' appearances, you'd think they'd all ride differently but the engine tuning is the same on all of them. It isn't applicable universally!
@@motorincah ok thanks for clearing that up
Guys please look into all the issues Tata Cars are having. Many of us suffer from engine issues after ~ 40,000 kms ( coolant and oil getting mixed).
Also many face constant software issues and the after sales service is really really bad.
Tata should do something about all these urgently. Its horrible.
Agreed. It’s a genuine problem.
While I understand that there are issues with Tata, I am not sure if the online hatred is justified for them. I mean, i have never heard any horror story of Tata motors vehicles from the actual owners. They have been using for 5-10 years miniumum and none of them have sold it in 2-3 years due to problems. I think Tata motors have a lot of following in social media compared to other brands, hence the compaints online seem disproportionately more.
My Hexa is more than 5 years old.
Done over 1.5 lakh kms.
Still drives as good as new.
@adi_1706 i got hexa 5 years back.....im 4 months engine broke down and sold it at a depreciation of 40% in 7 months and thats the problem tata not consistent...one goes for years and other goes down to garaage ina week
Shumi asking the question at the begining is it new and karthik's expression was really every tata owners reaction. And i love it when these 2 talk. People see the humor and without knowing listeners are taught on every podacst. They are the teachers we need.😂
At the moment Altroz has 37 variants ( I counted btw)😮💨, including all engine and transmission options. Tata really need to work on the variants strategy. This is really confusing😵💫. Really appreciate Maruti keeping their variants strategy simple
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So true !! I just went to check Tata Punch. What I had in mind was just a few specifics like the I wanted good performance engine, safety features, push start button, key less entry etc etc. I was very excited to check it out. But when I saw the list of variants I was a bit taken aback, like there are 4 major Variants and in that, again there are many variants...It's soooo confusing that I ultimately lost track of which is offer what feature and whats the difference btwn the variant, then started loosing interest and came back. They really need to work on the variants part
@@PicsatronicsStudiothe Punch is the best selling car in the country. No one is having this version problem irl.
I don't know why this is even a point that Shumi makes.
Hi Kartikeya,
Out of Altroz Racer & I20 Nline which one would you pick?
It’s a clear pick - N Line. If it was a regular kind of hatch then Baleno.
@@motorinc Thanx! Hv booked the same
Congratulations @Iam_AkhilKapoor! We wish you a wonderful time with the car!
Tata Altroz BEN 10 Omnitrix Edition ⌚⌚
Please explain! 😆
@@motorinc the atomic orange dual tone color scheme of the altroz racer looks kinda similar to the color scheme of the Ben 10 alien force watch known as Omnitrix 😅
@@kabyamtalukdar3066I misread it dominatri x
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Exactly... Very well said about the sport variant from any brand...
The best way is done by Hyundai because the normal i20,Creta and i20 N-line and Creta N-line feel like different cars and drive like what it was meant to be the Hot hatchback...
Yep! It’s legit sportier.
Altoids XD
I wait for a ‘scammy’ coz I just love the banter
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Did they fix the offset steering wheel? And how do buyers miss out on this?
When Altroz was launched, I remember going to the showroom and sitting in the demo car and the first thing I noticed was the steering is offset. Same thing with Nexon.
They can’t change those elements once the car is in production. That has to be fixed at the drawing board level. 😑
After owning nexon and altroz for the last 4 years , I'm hearing these issues for the first time 😅
Haters need to just relax
@@motorinc when I saw the Nexon facelift episode where Karthik mentioned the steering in Nexon and Altroz is offset, I was ecstatic because none of my friends believed it!
MotorInc is the only channel that has mentioned this on record
India needs a sportscar that is relatively affordable that can lead to fun driving more on Indian roads , something like the Duke 390 but for cars
So true!
Planning to buy the racer R1. Not for racing, but for family drives (mostly city, sometimes highways). Going for it because of the looks (not the strips, ofcourse) and the nexon engine in it. Is it the right choice?
We'd suggest getting a test drive first @SupritiMustafi. Please ping us back after if you had any questions.
Great observations for how Indian brands can be successful and how important this is as we have all the logistics to export our made in india products. I think it will be hard for any brand to scale down the number of variants as this will have impact during servicing and reselling the car. Tata should hire Shumi as a product marketing consultant
All they have to do is ask. We just want better machines.
I totally agree with Karthik. I bought the Altroz when it was lauched (2020). I was really excited to buy it. But, when I drove it, it was quite the disapointment. Some things right, some things wrong (mainly engine). I had to adjust myself for it to make sense as a buying option. My dad thought it was good, and not too much an issue. So we bought it. But, I still love the car with all its downsides. I do enjoy driving it.
The last car that I enjoyed driving was the polo before that. Altroz is as good or slightly better than polo's handling. Never felt that I lose control over the car at whatever speed I go. I have touched 170 which is where the limiter is I guess becase the throttle didnt do much after that. It was just a one time thing, I know shumi is gonna yell at me for that 😅.
I wished for altroz to have nexon's engine way back in 2020 and it has become the reality now.
Hey VS! Thanks for sharing that with us! Which engine?
@@motorinc Its the 3 cylinder NA engine. I knew the i20 was gonna launch its new model. But, couldnt wait that long coz I waited too long for altroz to launch.
On quality, when I was looking to buy my first motorcycle in 2007, I was thinking between Pulsar/Discover v/s Unicorn/Achiever/CBZ Extreme. I got some very sane advice from a senior who told me - Go for a HeroHonda/Honda, because on day-1 Bajaj will ride as well or better than HH/Honda, but after 3 years of use, HH/Honda expereience will be 85% of day-1 while Bajaj will be 60% because of niggles. Same thing with Tata/Mahindra v/s Suzuki/Hyundai
Sorry are Tata/Mahindra supposed to Honda or Bajaj in this parallel @saligramvishwanath1?
@@motorinc :) I mean Tata/Mahindra to be Bajaj in terms of quality and reliability
Bajaj has come a long way in last 15 years and proved their ability to develop good vehicles, but in 2007-08 they were still going through the transition
Rather than working on launching new cars Tata should work on their engines and electronics for 1 year and they can take over the market. They are curving everything but not curving the engine manufacturing trajectory.
If you like Tata Altroz Racer and holding back due to the way it looks, just take it to a reputed detailing studio after delivery and get the bonnet wrapped in body colour shade. Not sure about Orange but the White and Grey wraps are easily available.
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Like Bajaj having too many pulsars and Tata having too many variants, I see lot of sarcasm in your videos..😂
Said that, Liked the content on what kind of buyers can buy the machine in discussion and its alternatives.. please add bit more content on the same..
Thanks for the feedback AJ!
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I purchased the tata tiago last year, it doesnt get driven a lot (8000km till now) major problem i am facing car gives mileage of 12-13kmpl the tata service people say nothing is wrong with the car (I am yet to take it out to a 3rd party mechanic) and there are two small problems in the software sometimes when i start the car the sound system starts and works but the screen doesnt it gets resolved by a restart and once the reverse sensors stopped working with a warning on screen saying take it to the service center which again got resolved by a restart. Finally another small issue the air pump they give us with it complimentary it stopped working after the first use. I believe all of these issues are small issues but they do add up to an inconvenient experience except for the mileage because oh my god i am a student and that car drinks petrol like a college student drinks OMR.
Rating this a five star😊. I just love the way schumi describes his points and shows his disappointment.
Some may think of it as being over-critical but we need more people like him in the automotive journalism where there is an absolute lack of criticism for any car.
We need more Schumis - seriously.
Kartikey just complements the show as that base key board player in a band whose work is core to the band but it’s not over the top like the lead singer or say the - guitarist 😊
Kudos to both of you.
Thank you for joining us @soumyapune.
The sporty hatch I could count on was the Abarth Punto. It was simply too good. Polo GT may come next after the aftermarket suspension of course. TATA has to either bring in back the JTP variant as this feels a Little too normal for a Racer Tag. Agreeing to the point that TATA isn't consistent enough.
Hullo! Have you spent time with the little scorpion?
@@motorinc Yup! And it was fantastic. I still get goosebumps when I think of it. Really wish it was made available again.
The rainforest challenge comment does make one think. If not for the SUV craze in the market, Tata could have done such a great crossover. This is such a Subaru thing.
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Damn this was unexpected. I was holding by decision to book Racer for this episode and I am glad I did.
Altroz Racer or fronx turbo which is a better balanced purchase , I would think fronx turbo as racer isn't racer enough.
We are still not able to listen to the video on UA-cam after locking the screen despite having UA-cam Premium as well as the All Access membership :(
Hello Wilson, this is a know issue with UA-cam. Please try and update your app and see if it works.
Haha I’ve got the same problem seems like a UA-cam issue
We have Updated App but don't seem to work 😅@@motorinc
Sorry to hear that. We have heard from some users that the newer version fixed that.
Figo & Ford in general are arguably the best handlers int wh world!! We have one 1.4 TDCi from 2012 & it handles sooooooo well!!😌😌
Almost 2 years after buying a Nexon EV, fixing the incorrect model in the insurance (also a TaTa company) took more than a year and finally done by escalating to the insurance company, 2 OE front tyres that collapsed within 2500kms I just gave up, home charger set-up done by yet another TaTa company got tired of waiting for an audit; and as for after-sales and service? The car works but is a sunk cost
Will my next EV be a TaTa car?
You got to be kidding.
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@@motorinc - why no Altroz EV and why the Nexon? As a few EV users have pointed out, and yours truly agrees, an EV in India is better provided with a ground clearance of 200mm or more, given the risk of the battery case touching bottom. Yes, the Tiago and Altroz have almost the same ground clearance, but it does appear that the battery case in the Tiago has a higher ground clearance.
27:05 just an exception where tata turned around dud aria into fantastic Hexa although it didn't sell that well
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@@motorinc Actually none...but whatever I have heard and read about it.... Btw what's your take?
31:30 very true and candid criticism…hope they are watching
Us too @cooldjk
One of the more entertaining first impressions I have seen! 23:05, 29:10 and 46:10 - ROTFL!!! I swear...Schumi you...
Couple of things probably that I was waiting on...differences between the racer variants and whether you have a preference or whether they even needed them! The lack of rear discs...? And despite all the worries and references to baleno and nline...one crucial aspect that Tata nails but both Hyundai and Maruti fail on is the safety rating. You seem to sideswipe that aspect of the car fairly easily without realizing how critical that aspect is and the fact that most, if not all, Tata (and Mahindra too) vehicles score a high safety rating should be a positive aspect to highlight. That in itself should be a comforting point.
I heard the stripes are just stickers, which are removable. Correct me if I am wrong
Heard the same thing
You are right!
Love the intro as always❤
Thank you Krishnendu.
Please make a video on Xiaomi SU7 and your thoughts on the future in India.
Hi @shreeharimenon5275, we believe currently it's just a showcase. If Xiaomi decides to launch it in India, we'll share our thoughts once we get to drive it.
IMHO, Tata makes great looking cars/SUVs. It's a shame, the driving dynamics don't go hand in hand with the packaging.
Heya Rupin, do you have one?
@@motorinc almost bought the updated Harrier. Gurgaon roads, speed bumps, potholes, the usual story. waiting for the Curvv-e 🤞
Can anyone explain what is kartikeya mentioning about the FIGO. As a sporty car.
Either Tata's conversion system is faulty or they just boost the economy numbers. My Tiago xza-petrol shows economy of 16km/pl in the city and 21 km/pl out on the highway, but it actually delivers 11-12 km/pl in the city and 17-18km/pl on the highway.
@18.40 when shumi said stick your head out of sunroof, Just imagine & google and person driving a tank & looking out of the hatch, you will instantly imagine what it will look in car.🤣🤣
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After using Nexon for 3 years now im already inclined towards buying a foriegn brand as my next vehicle. So im looking for a new bike and im like i cant go for Indian brand again, i want a superior quality product. No compromises! No RE, no Hero!
@46:18 BATATA....Can wait for the freedom 125 Impressions for more motarinc comedy 😆
🥔 very serious conversation coming.
Awesome content. However the thing you mentioned about the VWs platform caught my attention. Can you please elaborate on that? What’s wrong with the suspension? Thanks!
Hullo! Could we do some self promotion? Check out our View on the Taigun? The suspension isn’t supple enough for our conditions - especially the SUVs. The Virtus/Slavia are better than them.
@@motorinc Why not? I love your videos 👍
3 yrs After exit of Ford, its product are still relevant and kinda unmatchable that speakes a lot about a brand!
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You forgot about blind view monitoring . This is the cheapest car with ventilated seat and blind view monitoring system. Also 120 ps at 12 lakhs and 11sec 0-100 is almost as good as slavia or virtus 1 .0 at their base price with good mileage. If this has tall seating even being a hatch back what would you comment on germans tall seating. I am not tata fan boy.
Thanks for pointing it out! Appreciate it EB!
The i20 N line has the same 120ps from a much more refined engine and a very nice shifting manual gearbox for the same price. I’m not sure why anyone would pick the Altroz racer over that thing. Also the N line has a sub 10 second 0-100
@@srikarvundavalli5934 weight difference is the issue. Altroz will has scored 5 star and i20 i guess isn't even 3 star
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for improvement in R&D sector of Tata, to feel it's presence in Indian road in coming days
Definitely!
I'm not much into cars and I don't plan on getting one either but I just love listening to you guys!!!! (shumi sir's jokes specifically😂)
Thanks for joining us @sufiyansheikh131!😄
Shumi saying Aaah 37:05 😅
Somebody someday might collate all Shumi's expressions and eye winks and make a reel out of it 😅😁
Gonna happen!
Absolutely brilliant video. Loved the conversation. The summary is brilliant😂
Thanks for joining us @elijahnissi.
Is that an orange accent around the angled exhaust tips? 42:14
No Akash! We think that's just accumulated grime and dust.
41:22 the tilak/stripes are not aligned
To us it looks like the camera angle @chrisredfield3467. It wasn't like this in person.
Not the case in models at 41:25 41:26@@motorinc
Totally agreed, one of my frnd has previous petrol variant, performance is not great, in highways, it struggles to overtake.
Also tata cars, i felt breaking performance is also not good.....my insight is from driving harrier, punch and altroz.
Thanks for sharing that with us JM!