I don't think Spike was plotting to harm Sunnydale. I think he was trying to get money for Buffy so she didn't have to work at the Doublemeat Palace anymore or worry about all the bills that have been weighing her down. Remember when she first started working there and he told her he could get money when she told him she needed the money? I think this was him getting that money for her. I don't think he thought ahead any further than that, though. I think Buffy saying good-bye to William instead of Spike, was her saying good-bye to the part of Spike that she had feelings for, the good part of him. I think Spike realized that, too.
Came here to say this and I’m so glad someone beat me to it! It doesn’t seem widely acknowledged by the fans that three episodes before this Spike told Buffy he could get her money, he could see her defeat when she admitted that she needed the money too badly and had to work
There was a novel that took place right after this episode that explained that exact thing. It was a Buffy/Angel crossover novel "Cursed" It explained where Spike got the eggs and that he was doing it to make money for Buffy.
18:44 my head canon is that Spike wasn’t trying to harm anyone in this instance, he was trying to get money to help Buffy. He didn’t think ahead to understand Buffy would know he did evil to get it because evil is still a tricky concept to him.
Mine too - in the previous episode when she started at the DMP, he said she had to leave as this place will kill her. She said she needed the money, and Spike replied "I can get you money." For me, this was Spike trying to do that, but in a typical Spike way. The look when she says it's killing her cuts. He was fine with taking the abuse and the toxicity because he loves her, so when he sees she's hurting, his face! Brilliant acting this season.
People go to weird lengths to defend Spike. Like, 5 episodes ago, he thought his chip was broken and ran immediately to the nearest alley and attempted to murder the first person he saw.
@@Cyrinil142 Except my post makes it clear I understand he is a dangerous sociopath. Im sure it is not intentional, but your post comes off as a bit passive aggressive.
"What a bitch" is genuinely one of the funniest lines of the whole show! Interestingly I'd call our two other funny "bitch" lines as well: "Out - for - a - walk...... Bitch." and "Say goodnight bitch!" ... "Goodnight bitch." I wonder why that word has performed so well in this show 🤔
One of the Buffy writers has a great anecdote whereby their partner, who was then a writer on Friends, once happened to see a draft of theirs (may well have been the "Out For A Walk... Bitch" one) and said: "You can say bitch?! We can't say bitch!"
I like that although Buffy sees her ex again while she isnt in a great place in her life, the storytelling twist is that her ex gives her the strength to get her life back on track again.
The sentiment with which you started your commentary - that not a lot happened, but it was happening underneath - that's what happens when we used to have 22 episodes a season to build characterization. I definitely miss this kind of long-form storytelling.
"If you place a thing into the centre of your life that lacks the power to nourish It will eventually poison everything that you are and destroy you A simple a thing as an idea or your perspective on yourself or the world No one can be the source of your content, it lies within, in the centre. " Maxi Jazz (Faithless - Liontamer) I felt this line from this song perfectly sums up what’s happening with Buffy, she can’t be happy with Spike or anyone at this point in her life until she is content within herself
A lesson from this episode - always avoid the opening credits with Buffy and Angel. There are some episodes which are really badly spoiled because of them.
The thing to remember is that when these episodes originally aired the special guest star was in the adverts leading up to the episode airing and would have been shown at the end of the previous episode, so there was no reason not to list the actor in the opening credits. Buffy turning up late in the second Faith episode of Season 1 wasn't a surprise, it was advertised heavily. As was Riley's reappearance in this episode. Faith though turning up at the end of the S2 Angel Premier, and Willow in the S2 finale were surprises and the actors weren't credited in the opening credits and their appearances were not advertised.
I can see that having the stark contrast between her relationship with Riley and her relationship with Spike laid out plainly finally helped Buffy to understand that her relationship with Spike wasn't good for either one of them. I also believe ending it was the best thing for her, but I think she should have gone about it in such a way that it was clearly the end. I mean, earlier this season, she told him they were done, and then she seduced him when she was invisible - AFTER he told her no! So just saying the little bit she did and walking away isn't going to be enough. However, I can also see that Spike won't accept it just like that because Buffy has told him it was over before, many times, and she came back. Spike being Spike will fixate on the fact that Buffy WANTED him to tell her he loved and wanted her - and on the fact that she used his real name for the first time. If you look at their relationship so far, Buffy's words and actions are always at odds, so I can see him not believing it is really over. Yes, we all need a Tara in our lives!
I both love and dread this episode every time. We get to see Riley being a wonderful man again, presenting as perfectly confident (I read it as Buffy's perspective with his internal conflict not presented to us the way Buffy's obviously is) but then TELLING Buffy how he feels. The way they SHOULD have been communicating before he left and revealing for more vulnerability beneath. Buffy's running to Spike for comfort and validation, being discovered and mortified and realising that she has forgotten who Spike is in her desperation. The breakup hits me hard (as a perpetually unloved man. Romantically, at least. I exchange "I love you" with my friends all the time) and the clear hurt on Spike's face communicates so much. He's cocky and sure this will blow over, but then confused and finally *genuinely* hurt. Not by the breakup, imo, but by Buffy saying it was killing her. HE was hurting her. Even as a soulless monster... he has a spark of real romance in him.
Just one thing: Sam is so adorable, we should have kept her. There're more people shipping her with Buffy than ever did Ruffy. The rest will come up in other comments here.
While Buffy's still depressed, Riley has opened her eyes to some mistakes she started. Seeing Riley having moved on after what he was like when he left, shows her it can get better. The main issue I have with this episode is that, considering how Riley left town, there's little to no fixing or talking or mentioning of that, but in regaurds to The Scoobies and Riley, that's in character for them, also.
It either shows Buffy that or just like Angel who also got better on his own in LA it could also show her that people strive better when not around her.
@@StephOMacRules MAJOR SPOILER FOR BOTH SHOWS AND COMICS. I REPEAT, MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE BUFFYVERSE, INCLUDING COMICS I always saw it (and other characters who dated Scooby Members) as more its about getting away from the group and/or Sunnydale. Angel, Cordelia and Wesley flurish in LA (even if they go through harder times, their friendship base grows),Oz gets married and has a kid in the comics, Riley gets married, Anya stays and dies, Tara started making friends when she dumped Willow and dies less than 24hrs. after getting back together with Willow, and Jenny Calender starts mending tings with Buffy and Giles only to die. Even Spike flourishes in the comics on the rare moments away from Buffy. Gross as it is, Dawn's relationship with Xander flourishes more when they take breaks from slaying in the comics to live normally. People just need to be away from the original four and/or Sunnydale.
First the time element. Riley left in Episode 10 in Season 5. There was a 6 week wait for the viewers between showing of The Body and Forever. That was rough. There was the summer break about 4 months and this aired about 6 months after the first show. So Riley seemed a distant memory when he appeared. Like so many couples…. Riley and Buffy are better apart. Buffy and Angel have a mature encounter after Joyce’s funeral and the same here. Buffy is still young , growing, and not in control of herself and her emotions. No relationship can work and in time will end until Buffy knows who she is. She was too young and immature with Angel. Riley did not excite her sexually or emotionally. Spike is all desire , anger, and the darkness within. Parker was a learning fling and even Dracula was interesting but wanted to control totally and not let Buffy be a person . I don’t think it’s Riley as much as everyone thinks. Buffy has been growing weary of her stagnation. When this has happened in the past, she changes. The lust and violence is not like it was and she is ready to move forward. The show is about Buffy’s journey to becoming a strong, independent and loving woman. Riley was a stop but she needed to move on. She can wonder but deep down she knows Riley is right in many ways but wrong for her. The same with all of the men so far
The timeline never made sense to me with this one, even at the time it aired. “It took him a year to get over you” combined with “We’ve been married four months” means he would have to have been gone at least 16 months, plus presumably there was some interim period after getting over Buffy where he was dating Sam but wasn’t yet married to her. He left in S5E10, which aired in December 2000. This is S6E15, which aired in February 2002. That’s only 14 months. They haven’t written any significant time jumps into the story other than Buffy being dead for five months, which really only accounted for the summer break between seasons. It’s just… 🤔 I know they had to bring Riley back to move the story with Buffy and Spike to its next beat, but this was a really weird way to do it.
You are correct. Not enough time has actually passed in-universe for Riley and Sam's relationship to unfold. The episode would have made more sense in Season 7.
A) Sam was giving a ball park figure (rounding up to a year) B) Sam and Riley spent time in a Hell dimension adjacent on missions. C) Sam is a BITCH. 😉
I disagree. People do sometimes get married...and realize that they haven't completely gotten over their ex. Sometimes talking with their partner about it actually helps them finally get over it - and that could well be something that Sam helped Riley do, both before and after marrying him. Also, in a dangerous business like theirs, one real concern is making sure if one of them dies, their inheritance, such as it may be, is uncontested and certain. So that could justify getting married even if Riley still has some lingering feelings and confusion. So I think the year and the 4 months overlapped by a couple months.
I totally agree with you about wedding ceremonies. I hate them and it’s usually the bride in the heterosexual marriages that pushes for all the fancy stuff, most guys don’t care as much. I blame Disney
Great little comedy openers here with the Vampire not wanting to touch Buffy because of the smell of burgers off her at The Doublemeat Palace, and then Willow and Dawn noticing the grass stains on Buffy's clothes after another rough session with Spike. The bombshell of Riley returning can't really save this episode as I think it is very much 5/10 effort, a bit of a filler really. Once Buffy realises Riley is married she turns to Spike again, this time it almost seems like desperation as she asks Spike to say 'do you love me' and ask him again does he want her. It just seems that Buffy wants to be with Spike because Riley has returned, and when Riley catches them, it is awkward except for Buffy and Riley, but not for Spike who is reveling in the situation. Riley of course is right here in that he explains to Buffy that Spike is still amoral, soulless and dangerous. The overall plot of this episode is quite ropey, but interesting exchanges at the end with Riley and Buffy, and of course when Riley and Sam eventually do leave on the chopper, Willow waving them off but says 'what a bitch' trying to give some form comfort to Buffy. At the very end we feel Buffy is doing the right thing ending it with Spike, and uses his real name William, a throwback to S5 Fool For Love, in which Cecily cruelly rejected him.
...Yep I remember watching this when it aired back in the day and I remember Throwing my TV Remote at the wall😂 I was like "Why is That Idiot in this!! Please Die!!!" My silver lining is that he seen Buffy and Spike Together lol I have spoken! Stay awesome Dakara 🤘
@@susanberrier5727 Everyone has there own preference 🤣 I had a unyield rage as a young teenager back in the day and as a Adult still holds strong lol have a great day.
I used to have that Alchemy T-shirt... huh, looks like they just do socks and masks now, how disappointing. But no, Spike does *not* love Buffy. He's literally incapable. The demon may *think* he does, because as Darla told Angel, who he was informed what he became. Buffy called him William, but it's *not* William, it never has been. That's *why* he's beneath her. Too many viewers forgot that, due to his popularity. The manner in which Joss chose to remind them... well, you're getting there, and it won't be pleasant.
They just rewrote Riley's character to make him fit into this episode storyline. And left it to the audience to fill in the reason for changes themselves. At the same time still acting like what happened earlier was the right thing. She is jealous of life he has without her. And jealous of what a cool wife he found. Everything is 'perfect' with them. And for that she should be shamed. And she will be caught by him with Spike. And because of that she AGAIN feels that she is less than him. How this 'perfect guy' caught her doing smth intimate and not so morally right thing. And she's humiliated by it. They put his character there to shame her. Since 'he is the best thing she can have'. And everyone there thinks that this is how it should be. My problem with Riley was not about whether he's good or bad, I didn't see the actual personality. Because for some reason the author thought that 'he is not a vamp and kills demons' image is enough and it should make people love him. A 'perfect' solder boy. But that's not how love works. And by the end of the story, he stopped even being good. They were so concentrated to write a 'good guy next door' so they forgot to add actual personality. And when such character didn't work, they blamed her for that, said that she was not enough, what she was giving was not enough and even made her apologize now. Again placing him above her. Well, maybe she should run for him again then chasing the helicopter again? And one more thing, within the plot technically he lost it to Spike earlier. Because after they decided to write him off they started working with Buffy/Spike storyline. But since they loved his character they made him come back to play his part in their story. There are lot of times when the real reason for what is happening lies in the authors, not the characters.
My problem with Riley isn't that he made mistakes, all of the Scooby Gang have done that. It's that he never apologized like they did, and blamed Buffy for his own actions. She could have been more engaged in their relationship and opened up to him more (she didn't even tell him about Dawn), but she doesn't own how he chose to react to that by seeing vamp prostitutes and bringing in the military behind her back instead of having an adult conversation. He was actually more interesting in Season 4, when he admitted his faults and grew as a person. I find it unrealistic that none of the other Scoobies are miffed when they see him again. He skipped out on them, too, and endangered them with his recklessness. Willow threatened to beat him to death with a shovel if he ever hurt Buffy.
Buff……..EHHHHHHHHHHH
I don't think Spike was plotting to harm Sunnydale. I think he was trying to get money for Buffy so she didn't have to work at the Doublemeat Palace anymore or worry about all the bills that have been weighing her down. Remember when she first started working there and he told her he could get money when she told him she needed the money? I think this was him getting that money for her. I don't think he thought ahead any further than that, though.
I think Buffy saying good-bye to William instead of Spike, was her saying good-bye to the part of Spike that she had feelings for, the good part of him. I think Spike realized that, too.
Came here to say this and I’m so glad someone beat me to it! It doesn’t seem widely acknowledged by the fans that three episodes before this Spike told Buffy he could get her money, he could see her defeat when she admitted that she needed the money too badly and had to work
There was a novel that took place right after this episode that explained that exact thing. It was a Buffy/Angel crossover novel "Cursed" It explained where Spike got the eggs and that he was doing it to make money for Buffy.
When Buffy calls Spike "William" it cuts right to the heart. She's not equivocating, she won't be worn down by him again.
kind of weird call a demon a dead human name, he is not like angel, there are not two entities in him, william is dead and gone, only demon inside
But she's also respecting him as a person, not just a _thing._ She's letting him go, pushing him away, but in the nicest way she knows.
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That doesn’t really seem to be the case. Or at least, the Demon contains and incorporated William within it.
18:44 my head canon is that Spike wasn’t trying to harm anyone in this instance, he was trying to get money to help Buffy. He didn’t think ahead to understand Buffy would know he did evil to get it because evil is still a tricky concept to him.
Mine too - in the previous episode when she started at the DMP, he said she had to leave as this place will kill her. She said she needed the money, and Spike replied "I can get you money." For me, this was Spike trying to do that, but in a typical Spike way.
The look when she says it's killing her cuts. He was fine with taking the abuse and the toxicity because he loves her, so when he sees she's hurting, his face! Brilliant acting this season.
People go to weird lengths to defend Spike.
Like, 5 episodes ago, he thought his chip was broken and ran immediately to the nearest alley and attempted to murder the first person he saw.
@@Cyrinil142 Except my post makes it clear I understand he is a dangerous sociopath.
Im sure it is not intentional, but your post comes off as a bit passive aggressive.
I love this episode as the episode we didn't know we needed. All the closure and healing.
Willow leaning in at the end saying “what a bitch” gets me every time lol it’s hilarious when Willow gets like that.
"What a bitch" is genuinely one of the funniest lines of the whole show!
Interestingly I'd call our two other funny "bitch" lines as well:
"Out - for - a - walk...... Bitch."
and
"Say goodnight bitch!" ... "Goodnight bitch."
I wonder why that word has performed so well in this show 🤔
Willow: "She is being kind of a B.I.T.C.H.."
Giles: "Willow, I think we all know how to spell.."
Xander: "A Bitka?!"
I may be mistaken, but I think one of those lines hasn't happened by this episode.
@@JayceMaxwell it hasn’t, but Dak has finished the series on Patreon.
@@phueal Fair enough
One of the Buffy writers has a great anecdote whereby their partner, who was then a writer on Friends, once happened to see a draft of theirs (may well have been the "Out For A Walk... Bitch" one) and said: "You can say bitch?! We can't say bitch!"
My hat has a cow.
I like that although Buffy sees her ex again while she isnt in a great place in her life, the storytelling twist is that her ex gives her the strength to get her life back on track again.
The sentiment with which you started your commentary - that not a lot happened, but it was happening underneath - that's what happens when we used to have 22 episodes a season to build characterization. I definitely miss this kind of long-form storytelling.
"I can't go inside, so maybe the time is right for u to "come" outside. "😜
I know, eh. This show is so unabashedly blatant sometimes. 🍆😁
"What else would I want to pump you for?"
@@dayceem Yean. lol The double entendre hits different tho when Spike does it verses Willow. 😄
"If you place a thing into the centre of your life that lacks the power to nourish
It will eventually poison everything that you are and destroy you
A simple a thing as an idea or your perspective on yourself or the world
No one can be the source of your content, it lies within, in the centre. " Maxi Jazz (Faithless - Liontamer)
I felt this line from this song perfectly sums up what’s happening with Buffy, she can’t be happy with Spike or anyone at this point in her life until she is content within herself
A lesson from this episode - always avoid the opening credits with Buffy and Angel. There are some episodes which are really badly spoiled because of them.
The thing to remember is that when these episodes originally aired the special guest star was in the adverts leading up to the episode airing and would have been shown at the end of the previous episode, so there was no reason not to list the actor in the opening credits. Buffy turning up late in the second Faith episode of Season 1 wasn't a surprise, it was advertised heavily. As was Riley's reappearance in this episode. Faith though turning up at the end of the S2 Angel Premier, and Willow in the S2 finale were surprises and the actors weren't credited in the opening credits and their appearances were not advertised.
I can see that having the stark contrast between her relationship with Riley and her relationship with Spike laid out plainly finally helped Buffy to understand that her relationship with Spike wasn't good for either one of them. I also believe ending it was the best thing for her, but I think she should have gone about it in such a way that it was clearly the end. I mean, earlier this season, she told him they were done, and then she seduced him when she was invisible - AFTER he told her no! So just saying the little bit she did and walking away isn't going to be enough.
However, I can also see that Spike won't accept it just like that because Buffy has told him it was over before, many times, and she came back. Spike being Spike will fixate on the fact that Buffy WANTED him to tell her he loved and wanted her - and on the fact that she used his real name for the first time. If you look at their relationship so far, Buffy's words and actions are always at odds, so I can see him not believing it is really over.
Yes, we all need a Tara in our lives!
I both love and dread this episode every time.
We get to see Riley being a wonderful man again, presenting as perfectly confident (I read it as Buffy's perspective with his internal conflict not presented to us the way Buffy's obviously is) but then TELLING Buffy how he feels. The way they SHOULD have been communicating before he left and revealing for more vulnerability beneath.
Buffy's running to Spike for comfort and validation, being discovered and mortified and realising that she has forgotten who Spike is in her desperation.
The breakup hits me hard (as a perpetually unloved man. Romantically, at least. I exchange "I love you" with my friends all the time) and the clear hurt on Spike's face communicates so much. He's cocky and sure this will blow over, but then confused and finally *genuinely* hurt. Not by the breakup, imo, but by Buffy saying it was killing her. HE was hurting her. Even as a soulless monster... he has a spark of real romance in him.
Bah, you look fine! Anyways we're here for your lovely personality and insightful commentary!
I can't believe I addaed my own drums!!!! :D :D :D Love the reacion vid.
Actually, this episode touched extensively on the major theme of series six, growing up...
Just one thing: Sam is so adorable, we should have kept her. There're more people shipping her with Buffy than ever did Ruffy.
The rest will come up in other comments here.
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The double meat Palace scent is armor against the undead
While Buffy's still depressed, Riley has opened her eyes to some mistakes she started. Seeing Riley having moved on after what he was like when he left, shows her it can get better. The main issue I have with this episode is that, considering how Riley left town, there's little to no fixing or talking or mentioning of that, but in regaurds to The Scoobies and Riley, that's in character for them, also.
It either shows Buffy that or just like Angel who also got better on his own in LA it could also show her that people strive better when not around her.
@@StephOMacRules MAJOR SPOILER FOR BOTH SHOWS AND COMICS.
I REPEAT, MAJOR SPOILERS FOR THE WHOLE BUFFYVERSE, INCLUDING COMICS
I always saw it (and other characters who dated Scooby Members) as more its about getting away from the group and/or Sunnydale. Angel, Cordelia and Wesley flurish in LA (even if they go through harder times, their friendship base grows),Oz gets married and has a kid in the comics, Riley gets married, Anya stays and dies, Tara started making friends when she dumped Willow and dies less than 24hrs. after getting back together with Willow, and Jenny Calender starts mending tings with Buffy and Giles only to die. Even Spike flourishes in the comics on the rare moments away from Buffy. Gross as it is, Dawn's relationship with Xander flourishes more when they take breaks from slaying in the comics to live normally. People just need to be away from the original four and/or Sunnydale.
Sam is awesome. ❤
I'm surprised you KNOW his name. I've seen this series a dozen times and I have no idea of the actor's name.
Girl, you have Hayfever.
The pollen count is massive and all us UK folk are suffering.
Weddings really aren't for the groom or even the bride. It's really for the friends and family ... including the ones u haven't seen in years.😁
First the time element. Riley left in Episode 10 in Season 5. There was a 6 week wait for the viewers between showing of The Body and Forever. That was rough. There was the summer break about 4 months and this aired about 6 months after the first show. So Riley seemed a distant memory when he appeared.
Like so many couples…. Riley and Buffy are better apart. Buffy and Angel have a mature encounter after Joyce’s funeral and the same here. Buffy is still young , growing, and not in control of herself and her emotions. No relationship can work and in time will end until Buffy knows who she is. She was too young and immature with Angel. Riley did not excite her sexually or emotionally. Spike is all desire , anger, and the darkness within. Parker was a learning fling and even Dracula was interesting but wanted to control totally and not let Buffy be a person . I don’t think it’s Riley as much as everyone thinks. Buffy has been growing weary of her stagnation. When this has happened in the past, she changes. The lust and violence is not like it was and she is ready to move forward. The show is about Buffy’s journey to becoming a strong, independent and loving woman. Riley was a stop but she needed to move on. She can wonder but deep down she knows Riley is right in many ways but wrong for her. The same with all of the men so far
He looks great well i guess if getting cut across the face is great 😂
For sure, especially for the rest of the series, avoid the post intro credits like the plague.
The timeline never made sense to me with this one, even at the time it aired. “It took him a year to get over you” combined with “We’ve been married four months” means he would have to have been gone at least 16 months, plus presumably there was some interim period after getting over Buffy where he was dating Sam but wasn’t yet married to her. He left in S5E10, which aired in December 2000. This is S6E15, which aired in February 2002. That’s only 14 months. They haven’t written any significant time jumps into the story other than Buffy being dead for five months, which really only accounted for the summer break between seasons. It’s just… 🤔 I know they had to bring Riley back to move the story with Buffy and Spike to its next beat, but this was a really weird way to do it.
You are correct. Not enough time has actually passed in-universe for Riley and Sam's relationship to unfold. The episode would have made more sense in Season 7.
A) Sam was giving a ball park figure (rounding up to a year)
B) Sam and Riley spent time in a Hell dimension adjacent on missions.
C) Sam is a BITCH. 😉
I disagree. People do sometimes get married...and realize that they haven't completely gotten over their ex. Sometimes talking with their partner about it actually helps them finally get over it - and that could well be something that Sam helped Riley do, both before and after marrying him.
Also, in a dangerous business like theirs, one real concern is making sure if one of them dies, their inheritance, such as it may be, is uncontested and certain. So that could justify getting married even if Riley still has some lingering feelings and confusion.
So I think the year and the 4 months overlapped by a couple months.
I totally agree with you about wedding ceremonies. I hate them and it’s usually the bride in the heterosexual marriages that pushes for all the fancy stuff, most guys don’t care as much. I blame Disney
If Riley hadn’t left, Glory would have probably killed him.
Great little comedy openers here with the Vampire not wanting to touch Buffy because of the smell of burgers off her at The Doublemeat Palace, and then Willow and Dawn noticing the grass stains on Buffy's clothes after another rough session with Spike. The bombshell of Riley returning can't really save this episode as I think it is very much 5/10 effort, a bit of a filler really. Once Buffy realises Riley is married she turns to Spike again, this time it almost seems like desperation as she asks Spike to say 'do you love me' and ask him again does he want her. It just seems that Buffy wants to be with Spike because Riley has returned, and when Riley catches them, it is awkward except for Buffy and Riley, but not for Spike who is reveling in the situation. Riley of course is right here in that he explains to Buffy that Spike is still amoral, soulless and dangerous. The overall plot of this episode is quite ropey, but interesting exchanges at the end with Riley and Buffy, and of course when Riley and Sam eventually do leave on the chopper, Willow waving them off but says 'what a bitch' trying to give some form comfort to Buffy. At the very end we feel Buffy is doing the right thing ending it with Spike, and uses his real name William, a throwback to S5 Fool For Love, in which Cecily cruelly rejected him.
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...Yep I remember watching this when it aired back in the day and I remember Throwing my TV Remote at the wall😂 I was like "Why is That Idiot in this!! Please Die!!!" My silver lining is that he seen Buffy and Spike Together lol I have spoken! Stay awesome Dakara 🤘
Riley isn't that bad. I don't get the hate but you do you, boo.
@@susanberrier5727 Everyone has there own preference 🤣 I had a unyield rage as a young teenager back in the day and as a Adult still holds strong lol have a great day.
Watch Night action series ❤❤
I used to have that Alchemy T-shirt... huh, looks like they just do socks and masks now, how disappointing.
But no, Spike does *not* love Buffy. He's literally incapable. The demon may *think* he does, because as Darla told Angel, who he was informed what he became. Buffy called him William, but it's *not* William, it never has been. That's *why* he's beneath her. Too many viewers forgot that, due to his popularity. The manner in which Joss chose to remind them... well, you're getting there, and it won't be pleasant.
Shut up. Spikes the best character on the show. Buffy used him. She's not perfect.
Well, your reply started badly, it tailed off a little in the middle, and the less said about the end, the better; but apart from that, *excellent.*
They just rewrote Riley's character to make him fit into this episode storyline. And left it to the audience to fill in the reason for changes themselves. At the same time still acting like what happened earlier was the right thing.
She is jealous of life he has without her. And jealous of what a cool wife he found. Everything is 'perfect' with them. And for that she should be shamed. And she will be caught by him with Spike. And because of that she AGAIN feels that she is less than him. How this 'perfect guy' caught her doing smth intimate and not so morally right thing. And she's humiliated by it. They put his character there to shame her. Since 'he is the best thing she can have'. And everyone there thinks that this is how it should be.
My problem with Riley was not about whether he's good or bad, I didn't see the actual personality. Because for some reason the author thought that 'he is not a vamp and kills demons' image is enough and it should make people love him. A 'perfect' solder boy. But that's not how love works. And by the end of the story, he stopped even being good.
They were so concentrated to write a 'good guy next door' so they forgot to add actual personality. And when such character didn't work, they blamed her for that, said that she was not enough, what she was giving was not enough and even made her apologize now. Again placing him above her. Well, maybe she should run for him again then chasing the helicopter again?
And one more thing, within the plot technically he lost it to Spike earlier. Because after they decided to write him off they started working with Buffy/Spike storyline. But since they loved his character they made him come back to play his part in their story. There are lot of times when the real reason for what is happening lies in the authors, not the characters.
My problem with Riley isn't that he made mistakes, all of the Scooby Gang have done that. It's that he never apologized like they did, and blamed Buffy for his own actions. She could have been more engaged in their relationship and opened up to him more (she didn't even tell him about Dawn), but she doesn't own how he chose to react to that by seeing vamp prostitutes and bringing in the military behind her back instead of having an adult conversation. He was actually more interesting in Season 4, when he admitted his faults and grew as a person.
I find it unrealistic that none of the other Scoobies are miffed when they see him again. He skipped out on them, too, and endangered them with his recklessness. Willow threatened to beat him to death with a shovel if he ever hurt Buffy.
How can Riley say he was sorry writers didn’t wright it in the his script
Willow was the dangers one not Riley he made mistakes willow killed someone’s