Same. I heard the writers hated Spike's popularity so wrote that scene to quell the love for him, and fans were livid... unsurprisingly. (Btw, they've already watched the episode, so not spoiling anything.)
Riley left in 5x10 we are now at 6x15 so it has gone more than a year between those two events. Production/broadcast wise we are talking about 14 months.
Verry clearly she is. The characters don't need to look into the camera and state something so blatantly obvious. Aside from Anya who's actually been shown refusing to help others financially, there's no reason to think all of these characters wouldn't do anything they can to help eachother.
@@troikas3353 i mean they pretty much told buffy they tried to pay the bills on the house when buffy was gone but the bills were too much and none of them gradurated collage or have actually jobs
@@wisewillowgames The show has no interest in their jobs so it doesn't bring them up, that doesn't mean they don't have them it just means they are not relevant to the story being told. All that matters is there isn't enough money for a group of college aged kids to pay for an entire suburban house in California.. which is entirely reasonable. If they were actually stealing or freeloading that actually would be relevant and show would actually have stated that. but it doesn't, and it doesn't even hint at it being true. The idea that any of the scoobies are maliciously exploiting Buffy financially is 100% fanfiction thats just not supported by the show itself.
To Spidey's comment about Riley could have done all this without involving Buffy - That is probably true. But Riley is supposed to be the opposite of Angel. When Angel came back to Sunnydale that one time to do a job, he interacted with everyone EXCEPT Buffy, she didn't even know until the very end of the episode and was like "Wtf? Angel was here?!" So Riley showing up and immediately contacting Buffy, I think, is supposed to represent part of that "Anti-Angel" aspect of him. And for story-telling purposes it allowed Buffy to get closure.
They had a monster running around town so it makes sense that he would go to Buffy for help because of that too. If he had just gone straight to the doctor that leaves a demon running around town doing who knows what.
Understand Spike has no soul, while he can act like he is a good person he does not have anything inside him to say “hey don’t do that it’s wrong” outside of past experiences. So he knows and remembers how it felt to love and do the right thing but at the same time he doesn’t really feel bad or guilty when he does wrong. It shows how his motivation for something isn’t based on morality and it’s a good comparison to say Angel who does right because he feels guilty for his past wrongs as opposed to Spike who does right because he thinks it’s what others would like him to do and can benefit him.
Another way I look at it, Angel was a drunken Irishman from a different time. His soulless self is different than Spike's. Spike was a sensitive lad so some of that lingers. Its kind of like in Romero's dawn of the dead where the zombies just instinctively go to the mall. Or in the Community parody where Jeff is still texting on his phone as a zombie. That's how I see it.
@@lemmyelk ah but for me there in lies the rub, remember based on the the Buffy universes own lore a vampire is a soulless demon who possesses a corpse. The demons themselves have no real personalities, feelings or emotions and are effectively animalistic (as evidenced by Angel when in Pylea) and instead take on the qualities of the persons persona through their former memories however they have no basis or foundation for those memories. So yes Spike would remember the memories of William being in love and being a sensitive person but the demon would not be able to feel or express those feelings itself only replicate the mannerisms and appearance of them. To give a very basic example it would be like watching a recording of someone dancing to a song, you can replicate their movements and you can see they were enjoying themselves but you cannot feel the same way they did as they were dancing at the time of the recording. It’s part of what makes the next few episodes so interesting because Spikes actions are based on doing what is viewed from his perspective as love without actually knowing what that is or having the moral conscious to rationalise those decision (******SLIGHT SPOILER*******………….it also helps remove some of the blame for the audience). They do however make this part of their own lore somewhat muddy with the next season but at that point they were digging themselves out of a hole with limited episodes to do it in.
I'm sorry but the fact that the Buffy fandom has to keep breaking this down to The Normies is hilarious to me 😂😂😂😂 I just chalk it up to an incredible actor playing an incredible character. James Marsters is just *that* good.
Solid reaction to a simple but important episode. What is often overlooked is the world that Buffy now inhabits. Duality has been an important storyline in BTVS from the start . 2 episodes ago the Buffy/ Faith personas were on display. This episode is so the Buffy/Joyce worlds and choices.A typical 21 year old single Mother will not have a 16 year old girl to parent and a 21 year old recovering addict to provide for but that’s Buffy’s world. She works at a miserable job with irritating people to make money. Then after work, patrol and vanquish evil wearing her chicken/ cow hat. She is using Spike for sex to have some feeling and connection to life. Having Riley return is someone that has no connection to her present world or the cause of her situation. Riley is from a time when Joyce was alive, Giles was there to be her Watcher, and she was not in a deep depression. Buffy was heroic and had no shame or reason to hide anything. It was the actions of Willow and the Scoobys that have placed Buffy in this world. Joyce is dead, Giles has left her (like her Father) and she has the responsibility of being in charge of Dawn. It is Riley that can be the one to get Buffy thinking about her life before her death again. It’s Riley that can tell her she can become the strong independent woman again. Spike wants her to remain the same and frankly, The Scoobys don’t want to take the responsibility for their actions. They have been with Buffy when it’s a simple fight against evil but… Buffy has said many times ,You really don’t know what a Slayer is. Except for Tara, no one acknowledges Buffy’s depression. This has really been Buffy doing the hard work. This episode she took the opportunity to recognize and admit she has been using and abusing Spike.Very strong. She now has to understand what it takes to be a single Mother, like the way she remembers Joyce.
I like the actress who plays Riley’s new wife, she’s been in a lot of things, but is mainly known for the show “Banshee”, she knows how to play a fun bad ass
Suraj: “If Riley joined it could be a double meat palace.” Marketa: “Shut uuup.” Suraj: ”Sorry. Chris isn’t here and I’m trying to make up for him.” Rana: “You are just as disgusting as Chris and you know it.” This is facts. Chris, Suraj, and Micky are the worst offenders 😂
'Getting her mojo back' was EXACTLY the point of this episode. Until now, she's been tormented by the memory of heaven, 'going thru the motions', but not truly sure of herself or resigned to being alive. Riley was the 'turning point' that reminds her of who she was before all this, and who she still is inside. The point of his return, contrasted against the backdrop of her life of fast food, bills, and empty sex with someone she doesn't love while battling idiotic nerds, just spells out that she spent the season disconnected from herself, floundering and too exhausted to try for more. Riley, as flawed as he may have been, makes her remember how alive she can be, because he never stopped seeing her as a hero and never doubted for second how much she could do. I did like that she called Spike by his name when she ended it. She showed incredible respect to the person mingled with the soulless demon in him. As I mentioned before, Spike is more himself than most vamps...his passions overwhelm even his demon side, the intensity of his feelings puts him apart from the rest of the demon herd. It may be hard to remember it in a couple episodes or so, but try to remember the Spike at the start of this season, who spent months guarding Dawn because of a promise he made to Buffy, even with no hope of seeing her again...no reward in sight, just because of his own intense sense of personal obligation. It will help...some. There IS something there more than a monster...but its an invisible battle between William and his demon.
Are you kidding? In fact we saw how Riley complained that Buffy was stronger than him, which is in her nature, that's who she is, complained that she didn't love him and even when he went to search for a company for himself and she found out instead of apologizing for this bullshit he immediately manipulated the situation and started blaming her for that and gave an ultimatum that if she didn't tell him that she loved him after THAT, he would leave. And he left. And he did all this during a very difficult period in her life. And got married within a year. This is like a joke. What does she need to remember, what does she need to come back to? This? That's the wrong person to remind her. I wouldn't care about this character at all and wouldn't comment anything about him since his plotline didn't work and that's why they removed him but when I see that every time people act like they didn't see it with their own eyes and portray the character as something he was not it annoys me. For what? What's the point of being played so easily every time? They show you one thing , then the opposite and it works with people every time. As if yesterday doesn't exist.
@@Junejane4 I feel like you missed the core of the point there...we agree, but I'll spell it out more clearly. Riley absolutely WAS immature and demanding, his ego was fragile and he needed someone who needed him, not just wanted him. But at the core of that was an acknowledgement, even early on, that she was able to stand alone, she was the real hero...and he wasn't cut out to be a sidekick. He was a two season love interest that was doomed from the start...you're right, but the point was that his return as a cameo in S6 created a moment of reflection...where Buffy gets a glimpse back at who she was through someone else's eyes. A little reminder that even death and bills and greasy diner stoves should not slow her down, or make her compromise. She shifts from accepting the grind to starting her way back to being 'alive'.
I don’t think the show was flipping the script and trying to blame Buffy. Buffy did push Riley away, and I think what she means to say now is that she is sorry things ended so poorly between them, not that she is taking the blame for Riley getting suck jobs from vampires.
… listen to Renna more 😂 she’s onto something… Also, aside from Riley totally fumbling not sharing the mission details with Buffy or telling her he was married, it was only right he contact her when he showed up in Sunnydale. It would be strange and very Angel reminiscent of him showing up and not telling Buffy he had been in town fighting evil.
I thought Riley was very cool about Buffy sleeping with Spike. He didn’t explode or have a tantrum. And quite rightly so, considering he was getting suckjobs from random vampires in season 5. In any case, I appreciated his maturity.
as far as I've seen, no one's mentioned this so I'm going to: I believe Spike's reasoning for having and selling those eggs were his warped way of trying to get money for Buffy. he's hated she's been having to work at the Double Meat Palace and has told her a couple times to leave it, that he will find a way to get her money. I think he was secretly trying to earn her some, knowing what he was doing was bad and she'd oppose to it, and was going to surprise her with the money once he sold them all. it was also a reminder that, although he believes he loves Buffy, he still has no soul. no moral compass. we needed that reminder. Also, no matter your feelings about Riley, he was finally NEEDED in this episode by Buffy in ways he wasn't even aware of. she needed that reminder of who she is. she couldn't get it from her friends or sister, they're all dealing with their own personal stuff ( Xander and Anya preoccupied with wedding planning, Willow trying her hardest to kick her magic addiction, and Dawn dealing with her own trauma from season 5 and having abandonment issues from losing both her mom and Buffy not even a month apart and ever since Buffy has been back, she's been distant. Tara's the only one she's opened up to but Tara doesn't know Buffy as much as the others do. she can only do her best at being supportive ) ( thirdly, I love Sam and I love that we got good closure on RIley, to know he's moved on and happy with someone who needs him in a way he's been wanting. she even gave Willow some more inspiration to keep fighting the addiction too ) sorry about the long comment, for anyone whose reading lol.
@@daphneglasurus7886 Yeah, I think you guys are probably right. For all his faults, Spike isn't really an avaricious type. He's not interested in material things.
There's a theory that I love to put out there anytime someone is talking about this episode. The theory is that Riley was at Buffy's house when her and Spike had sex outside (so we get a strange, far away camera angle). So he decided to make her see sense. He swooped in all heroic missiony, talking about "I need the best", flirting with her and withholding that he was married, and he framed Spike as the Doctor, who was actually holding them for a friend. The theory is backed up by the subtext of the stuff her coworker talks about (Machiavelli and President Johnson), the fact that Riley didn't seem particularly surprised to see Buffy in bed with Spike, and the things that Sam mentions about the Doctor: an international arms dealer with higher up connections who has already traded money on this deal - does that sound like Spike? Not to mention, if he had made deals like this before, he should have known the eggs needed to be refrigerated (weird detail they threw in there for no real reason), which Riley knew, so why was he hunting for the Doctor in crypts? This episode makes very little sense when you try to break it apart and look at everything. But the breakdown I saw of this theory explains basically everything perfectly. I think the writers did it on purpose, but it's never been confirmed that I know of.
Great little comedy openers here with the Vampire not wanting to touch Buffy because of the smell of burgers off her at The Doublemeat Palace, and then Willow and Dawn noticing the grass stains on Buffy's clothes after another rough session with Spike. The bombshell of Riley returning can't really save this episode as I think it is very much 5/10 effort, a bit of a filler really. Once Buffy realises Riley is married she turns to Spike again, this time it almost seems like desperation as she asks Spike to say 'do you love me' and ask him again does he want her. It just seems that Buffy wants to be with Spike because Riley has returned, and when Riley catches them, it is awkward except for Buffy and Riley, but not for Spike who is reveling in the situation. Riley of course is right here in that he explains to Buffy that Spike is still amoral, soulless and dangerous. The overall plot of this episode is quite ropey, but interesting exchanges at the end with Riley and Buffy, and of course when Riley and Sam eventually do leave on the chopper, Willow waving them off but says 'what a bitch' trying to give some form comfort to Buffy. At the very end we feel Buffy is doing the right thing ending it with Spike, and uses his real name William, a throwback to S5 Fool For Love, in which Cecily cruelly rejected him.
When Sam says it took Riley a year to get over Buffy, why do people assume they didn't get married until after he got over Buffy? Plenty of people are not really "over" their X when they get married. They sometimes talk about them more than they should, think about them more than they should, I suspect that she helped him finish getting over Buffy after they got married... I figure the year it took him to get over Buffy and the 4 months they have been married overlap by a couple months.
I was never a Ripley hater. I was a senior in high school during season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Finally, this series concluded two decades ago. Damn, I'm old.
Oh, by the way, I am a Buffy fan. I really am! Buffy is short for Elizabeth. In this case, her Mommy just named her Buffy. Her mother has no idea, that the name Elizabeth even exists!
It does feel like Riley's still not over her. Physically being away he was able to move on, but lost his cool being around her. Why didn't he mention being married when he had time to do so? If the wife didn't show up who knows what would have happened. He was waiting for Buffy's face to be an inch from his to say something?
Does any UK fans remember the Sky One interview/behind the scenes thing that aired with Richard Blackwood interviewing Sarah Michelle Gellar on the set of this episode, in the car ride over and him reenacting that graveyard scene between Sam and Buffy? 😂 I recorded it and would watch it over and over again over that I couldn’t watch this episode for years. Interview was great though 😂
The disgust concerning Riley is unwarranted, even if the suck jobs were a clear allegory to cheating. Leaving his military carreer and his whole life to become an accessory to Buffy was obviously and realistically bound to fuck with him, and it's been well established wayyy beforehand. Doesn't make him justified in seeking comfort with litteral demons and letting his insecurities get the better of him, but almost everyone in the show end up spiraling into some crazy unhealthy coping mechanism at one point or another. (SPOILERS) What willow does this very season (before even Seeing Red) is a thousand times worse, at least Riley was only ever self-destructive. To quote Xander, y'all treated him like the rebound guy from the get go, just because he was too "bland".
Believe or not in the comics Riley tells them how much love his wife I guess can still with some doesn’t mean don’t love his new wife in the comics Riley Buffy there still married comics for years
Though some fans argue otherwise, it wasn't about being insecure with Buffy. It's that Buffy didn't share her feelings with Riley even at those low points with Joyce being sick and dealing with Dawn being the Key. She lone wolfed it and left Riley feeling like she was pushing him away
For Riley to have been married four moths before this episode, it means about a year between him and Buffy breaking up and him and Sam marrying. So, not very long.
So, I read that some believe that the reason Spike had those eggs, was that he was trying to make money for Buffy to help her out. That he thought he could sell them before they hatched. But I love how Buffy were able to just be real with Spike in the end and make the choice for herself to end it and to try and feel better.
@@alysharichards3757 Probably because if that were the reason, he'd have said something like "I was doin' this for you!" No. This was just Spike doing an "evil" scheme because he's still a soulless monster who doesn't have any hang-ups about facilitating a scheme that could hurt people, because he doesn't actually care.
I will headcanon that Riley's team has been through some timey-wimey shit in a hell dimension or something, otherwise the timing absolutely just doesn't add up.
Spidey: "I don't like this episode already. Riley sucks." lmao Couldn't have said it better. This is one of my least favorite episodes from the entire show.
It is ridiculous that the first thing that Riley said to Buffy once they left the restaurant wasn't "by the way, this is a capture mission, plz don't kill the demon" She isn't called the Capturer
Hey, look, Riley's back. You guys loved that dude, remember? I still can't wait until the end of this season for everyone on that couch talking about how good of a dude Spike is. I'm not saying shit, I just want to see the looks on everyone's faces.
.. it's literally the opposite. This episode exists to give her closure and through that help her start to move out of the depression she's been trapped in.
Honestly, do I believe that Spike has the ability to be evil and would do literally anything to get Buffy money? Yes. Do I think he has the evil capacity to be dealing arms or whatever? Yes. But do I think he actually was? Do I think any of that stupid plot makes sense? That he was an ONLINE international arms dealer when I don’t even think he has a phone? No, I don’t think that. I don’t know what the fuck was going on but I don’t think Spike was nicknaming himself Doc and dealing demon eggs on the internet. Sorry, it makes no sense.
First of all, phones didn't access the internet back then. Also, we have seen Spike use a computer before. But yeah, it is still somewhat farfetched, I can see that.
Not to mention when would he have the time? Libraries close at night unless hes breaking into Everytime and even then he would need a bank account and all that other black market stuff movies/TV shows always say u need! @@MB.543
Plus when would he have the time or resources? Libraries close at night unless he's constantly breaking in?! Not to mention know how to set up a black market account lol
Funniest theory I ever read about the show was Riley planting the eggs in Spike's crypt because he turned up in Sunnydale and saw Buffy and Spike have sex against the tree and was jealous. The lengths Spike fans go to to excuse his behaviour.
Pat, Buffy did go to college. She left because Dawn needed taking care of. The point of what Dawn told Xander in the episode _Doublemeat Palace_ is that these kind of jobs are all she'll be able to have as long as she is the slayer and has to take care of Dawn also. Riley shows up in a turtleneck. Ya know, last time he wore one of those he was hiding his vampire bite issues. Suraj is right, he and Buffy should be discussing their issues, whether Riley is married or not. It should be one of many things they do talk about, and they don't. Riley may wake Buffy up from her state of depression, but by the time he leaves town, he and Buffy's issues are no better than when he left in _Into the Woods._ Spike being the doctor hardly seems a blip on Sunnydale problems that Riley and the army make it out to be. And considering Buffy could have used the money Spike claims he was going to get and give to her for said eggs (as Buffy still has friends living under her roof not contributing to rent), I understand his motivations, even if at the end of the day there was selfishness of wanting to not loose sleeping with her. Sadly, his idea of how to get the money (combined with Riley being a wakeup call for Buffy) was the exact reason why Spike did lose her. Spidey is right that you don't really need Buffy for what he was doing. He had issues that, from his and Buffy's past's perspectives couldn't guarantee her help, and their issues made it uncomfortable. And as stated earlier, they left off no better on said about each other than before. In that regard, he was lucky she had depression issues because it meant she back-burned issues that would have been at the forefront (and a major problem) if she wasn't depressed. Riley definitely married Sam without being over Buffy. He also married her because she is willing to placate his affirmational love language issues, and is more on his fighting skill level than Buffy was , which he always had problems with. Sadly, if Joss wasn't the %&$# he was, this show wouldn't be as good. I think a lot of pop culture works that way. The issues of real people drive how well done pop culture all is.
Riley not telling Buffy he was married is a strain, but okay. Him not telling her about needing to track the demon rather than kill it is ridiculous. It’s a pattern this season: they need to kick Buffy when she’s down, and kick her again when she tries to get up, so they create contrived situations to frustrate and humiliate her. Maybe it’s just a consequence of Joss Whedon leaving as show runner so he could start Firefly and oversee three shows at once.
Buffy moved on with spike why can’t Riley be happy he found someone that loves what he does they solders Sam was already in the army she just took gab year from the army
Is it any surprise that no matter how he was reintroduced, the gang would piss on Riley..he might have been perfect, but he is damn well better choice than Spike who has killed how many ppl.
Riley not telling Buffy pertinent information about him or a mission is just him being exactly the same stagnant no growth asshat he always was, only now he's someone else's problem. People focus on the "suckjobs" part like it was the first thing he messed up and her pulling away didn't make all the sense in the world (he was always like this and it would have an effect on anyone going through the illness and eventual loss of a parent to have a partner that repeatedly omits information).
"It's takes a man to set a woman straight... that's what Joss Whedon was saying!" Yeah, that's Joss for you. He always portrayed Riley as being the wronged party even after the suck jobs, and you probably recall that he had Xander lecture Buffy about why Riley was in the right. Which was a truly obnoxious scene.
No..I don’t think that was the message..Xander basically was saying why give up on something in the long run for a short term problem..it’s easy to make a snap decision, but both Riley and Buffy were having issues and neither was communicating to the other. Although Riley was a great college love, it was never meant to be..I think ppl will see what they want out of that whole thing..
There's a VERY popular theory out there that Reilly got there the previous night, saw spike and Buffy at the tree, and then organized the whole thing to blame Spike and make Buffy hate him even more. I don't remember all the details but it's a very well thought out theory
Where do the women's wrongs enter into this? Either in someone being depressed, or in someone using another person to feel better about themselves, feminist issues have nothing to do with it. Its humanity issues and relationship issues that are at stake here.
The amount of victim blaming in regards to Buffy in this vid is insane. Spikes not some down on his luck nice guy, he's a centuries old serial murderer that literally stalked her for years until he wore her down and when she was at her lowest manipulated into sleeping with him. Like he's a fun character, but he is both literally and figuratively a predator.
Oh my God, I'm offended. I'm looking at the cast and I can see only 4 white people. There's at least 3 that are not white. And I have something to say about it. Good thing you're all cute. That is a get out of jail free card but don't don't quote me on that. You cuties you! Plus It's been 15 whole episodes since I've. I've set eyes upon you. I haven't watched an episode since then. Here you are all cute and still young and still in college. I'm so happy for you!
I hate Riley he always messes her up. Im not sure we would have gotten the way it will go with them later if Buffy and Spike still been a thing. But they dont like spike anyways with Buffy which never made since why they loved boring Riley but also hated Angel
WHY ARE Y'ALL NOT GIVING X-MEN 97 A CHANCE WHAT THE FUCK WHAT WAS THE FUCKING REASON seriously WHAT WAS THE REASON THAT Y'ALL ARE SLEEPING ON X-MEN Like why
He married a water down version of Buffy, because Buffy was too strong for him. He couldn't stomach the idea that she only wanted him and didn't need him due to some "weakness". Buffy didn't need him like vamps need blood. I cannot stand Riley.
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Oh boy, we are nearing the end of the season. Anxious to see their reactions to the last few episodes. Years later, I am still not ready.
Oh I’m sure they’ll scream and mindlessly shout over all the important scenes and then wonder why it doesn’t make sense. ........
Same. I heard the writers hated Spike's popularity so wrote that scene to quell the love for him, and fans were livid... unsurprisingly. (Btw, they've already watched the episode, so not spoiling anything.)
@@SutraRein-xy4qr Gotta have subtitles on.
Buffy referring to Spike as "William" in that final scene is so perfect...
Riley left in 5x10 we are now at 6x15 so it has gone more than a year between those two events. Production/broadcast wise we are talking about 14 months.
more like 16 months, since 12 months is a year and it took Riley a year to get over Buffy and he's been married to Sam for 4 months.
@@HelloXrancidkitteh yeah as I said I used the time between the two episodes being broadcast.
Having your body odor dissed by a vampire to the degree that he doesn't want to eat you is a major burn.
"Are you paying rent, Willow?!" Exactly.
yes and also raising dawn and paying bills.
I mean at least steal money from criminals using magic. lol
Verry clearly she is. The characters don't need to look into the camera and state something so blatantly obvious. Aside from Anya who's actually been shown refusing to help others financially, there's no reason to think all of these characters wouldn't do anything they can to help eachother.
@@troikas3353 i mean they pretty much told buffy they tried to pay the bills on the house when buffy was gone but the bills were too much and none of them gradurated collage or have actually jobs
@@wisewillowgames The show has no interest in their jobs so it doesn't bring them up, that doesn't mean they don't have them it just means they are not relevant to the story being told. All that matters is there isn't enough money for a group of college aged kids to pay for an entire suburban house in California.. which is entirely reasonable.
If they were actually stealing or freeloading that actually would be relevant and show would actually have stated that. but it doesn't, and it doesn't even hint at it being true. The idea that any of the scoobies are maliciously exploiting Buffy financially is 100% fanfiction thats just not supported by the show itself.
To Spidey's comment about Riley could have done all this without involving Buffy - That is probably true.
But Riley is supposed to be the opposite of Angel. When Angel came back to Sunnydale that one time to do a job, he interacted with everyone EXCEPT Buffy, she didn't even know until the very end of the episode and was like "Wtf? Angel was here?!"
So Riley showing up and immediately contacting Buffy, I think, is supposed to represent part of that "Anti-Angel" aspect of him. And for story-telling purposes it allowed Buffy to get closure.
They had a monster running around town so it makes sense that he would go to Buffy for help because of that too. If he had just gone straight to the doctor that leaves a demon running around town doing who knows what.
It was the way they written the script
I need ALL of you here for at least the last 5 episodes of this season! I need to see each one of your reactions to certain shocking developments
Spoilers below
I am DREADING that one scene.
I cannot wait
@@MB.543 oh not, not that ONE scene!??
They have a Patreon for their early stuff.
Idk if you are talking about that one scene or that other equally cruel scene.
“My hat has a cow” LOL. I’ve loved that forever.
Understand Spike has no soul, while he can act like he is a good person he does not have anything inside him to say “hey don’t do that it’s wrong” outside of past experiences. So he knows and remembers how it felt to love and do the right thing but at the same time he doesn’t really feel bad or guilty when he does wrong. It shows how his motivation for something isn’t based on morality and it’s a good comparison to say Angel who does right because he feels guilty for his past wrongs as opposed to Spike who does right because he thinks it’s what others would like him to do and can benefit him.
Another way I look at it, Angel was a drunken Irishman from a different time. His soulless self is different than Spike's. Spike was a sensitive lad so some of that lingers. Its kind of like in Romero's dawn of the dead where the zombies just instinctively go to the mall. Or in the Community parody where Jeff is still texting on his phone as a zombie. That's how I see it.
@@lemmyelk ah but for me there in lies the rub, remember based on the the Buffy universes own lore a vampire is a soulless demon who possesses a corpse. The demons themselves have no real personalities, feelings or emotions and are effectively animalistic (as evidenced by Angel when in Pylea) and instead take on the qualities of the persons persona through their former memories however they have no basis or foundation for those memories. So yes Spike would remember the memories of William being in love and being a sensitive person but the demon would not be able to feel or express those feelings itself only replicate the mannerisms and appearance of them. To give a very basic example it would be like watching a recording of someone dancing to a song, you can replicate their movements and you can see they were enjoying themselves but you cannot feel the same way they did as they were dancing at the time of the recording. It’s part of what makes the next few episodes so interesting because Spikes actions are based on doing what is viewed from his perspective as love without actually knowing what that is or having the moral conscious to rationalise those decision (******SLIGHT SPOILER*******………….it also helps remove some of the blame for the audience). They do however make this part of their own lore somewhat muddy with the next season but at that point they were digging themselves out of a hole with limited episodes to do it in.
@eppileFadiemlA Exactly. I'm team Angelus as a drunken Irishman myself, if I lose my soul due to vampirism I aint gonna simp like lil William
I'm sorry but the fact that the Buffy fandom has to keep breaking this down to The Normies is hilarious to me 😂😂😂😂 I just chalk it up to an incredible actor playing an incredible character. James Marsters is just *that* good.
@@monadreher2428 I forgive you
"If Riley was here it would be the Doublemeat Palace" - great stuff.
Along with everything Spidey says 👌
"It's a smash-burger" -- very clever Suraj, very clever!
You're not ready for what comes next.
None of us were.
Damn those writers.
When you're trying to set up a surprise birthday party, do you go to that person and say "you're not ready for what's coming next week"?
Solid reaction to a simple but important episode. What is often overlooked is the world that Buffy now inhabits. Duality has been an important storyline in BTVS from the start . 2 episodes ago the Buffy/ Faith personas were on display. This episode is so the Buffy/Joyce worlds and choices.A typical 21 year old single Mother will not have a 16 year old girl to parent and a 21 year old recovering addict to provide for but that’s Buffy’s world. She works at a miserable job with irritating people to make money. Then after work, patrol and vanquish evil wearing her chicken/ cow hat. She is using Spike for sex to have some feeling and connection to life. Having Riley return is someone that has no connection to her present world or the cause of her situation. Riley is from a time when Joyce was alive, Giles was there to be her Watcher, and she was not in a deep depression. Buffy was heroic and had no shame or reason to hide anything. It was the actions of Willow and the Scoobys that have placed Buffy in this world. Joyce is dead, Giles has left her (like her Father) and she has the responsibility of being in charge of Dawn. It is Riley that can be the one to get Buffy thinking about her life before her death again. It’s Riley that can tell her she can become the strong independent woman again. Spike wants her to remain the same and frankly, The Scoobys don’t want to take the responsibility for their actions. They have been with Buffy when it’s a simple fight against evil but… Buffy has said many times ,You really don’t know what a Slayer is. Except for Tara, no one acknowledges Buffy’s depression. This has really been Buffy doing the hard work. This episode she took the opportunity to recognize and admit she has been using and abusing Spike.Very strong. She now has to understand what it takes to be a single Mother, like the way she remembers Joyce.
I like the actress who plays Riley’s new wife, she’s been in a lot of things, but is mainly known for the show “Banshee”, she knows how to play a fun bad ass
Banshee was a great show. I wish more reactors would react to that.
Suraj: “If Riley joined it could be a double meat palace.”
Marketa: “Shut uuup.”
Suraj: ”Sorry. Chris isn’t here and I’m trying to make up for him.”
Rana: “You are just as disgusting as Chris and you know it.”
This is facts. Chris, Suraj, and Micky are the worst offenders 😂
'Getting her mojo back' was EXACTLY the point of this episode. Until now, she's been tormented by the memory of heaven, 'going thru the motions', but not truly sure of herself or resigned to being alive. Riley was the 'turning point' that reminds her of who she was before all this, and who she still is inside. The point of his return, contrasted against the backdrop of her life of fast food, bills, and empty sex with someone she doesn't love while battling idiotic nerds, just spells out that she spent the season disconnected from herself, floundering and too exhausted to try for more. Riley, as flawed as he may have been, makes her remember how alive she can be, because he never stopped seeing her as a hero and never doubted for second how much she could do. I did like that she called Spike by his name when she ended it. She showed incredible respect to the person mingled with the soulless demon in him. As I mentioned before, Spike is more himself than most vamps...his passions overwhelm even his demon side, the intensity of his feelings puts him apart from the rest of the demon herd. It may be hard to remember it in a couple episodes or so, but try to remember the Spike at the start of this season, who spent months guarding Dawn because of a promise he made to Buffy, even with no hope of seeing her again...no reward in sight, just because of his own intense sense of personal obligation. It will help...some. There IS something there more than a monster...but its an invisible battle between William and his demon.
Are you kidding? In fact we saw how Riley complained that Buffy was stronger than him, which is in her nature, that's who she is, complained that she didn't love him and even when he went to search for a company for himself and she found out instead of apologizing for this bullshit he immediately manipulated the situation and started blaming her for that and gave an ultimatum that if she didn't tell him that she loved him after THAT, he would leave. And he left. And he did all this during a very difficult period in her life. And got married within a year. This is like a joke. What does she need to remember, what does she need to come back to? This? That's the wrong person to remind her.
I wouldn't care about this character at all and wouldn't comment anything about him since his plotline didn't work and that's why they removed him but when I see that every time people act like they didn't see it with their own eyes and portray the character as something he was not it annoys me. For what? What's the point of being played so easily every time? They show you one thing , then the opposite and it works with people every time. As if yesterday doesn't exist.
@@Junejane4 I feel like you missed the core of the point there...we agree, but I'll spell it out more clearly. Riley absolutely WAS immature and demanding, his ego was fragile and he needed someone who needed him, not just wanted him. But at the core of that was an acknowledgement, even early on, that she was able to stand alone, she was the real hero...and he wasn't cut out to be a sidekick. He was a two season love interest that was doomed from the start...you're right, but the point was that his return as a cameo in S6 created a moment of reflection...where Buffy gets a glimpse back at who she was through someone else's eyes. A little reminder that even death and bills and greasy diner stoves should not slow her down, or make her compromise. She shifts from accepting the grind to starting her way back to being 'alive'.
I don’t think the show was flipping the script and trying to blame Buffy.
Buffy did push Riley away, and I think what she means to say now is that she is sorry things ended so poorly between them, not that she is taking the blame for Riley getting suck jobs from vampires.
Exactly
Right. 🎶"It takes two to make a thing go right, it takes two to make it out of sight"🎵 She's just apologizing for her part in it, not for his.
The writer were ones to blame for Riley Finn letting suck his fault
@@debroffe4354 what?
Mickey realizing it's really over because she used his "Government name" had me loling. Props to Pat catching it too.
… listen to Renna more 😂 she’s onto something…
Also, aside from Riley totally fumbling not sharing the mission details with Buffy or telling her he was married, it was only right he contact her when he showed up in Sunnydale. It would be strange and very Angel reminiscent of him showing up and not telling Buffy he had been in town fighting evil.
He didn’t have to
I thought Riley was very cool about Buffy sleeping with Spike. He didn’t explode or have a tantrum. And quite rightly so, considering he was getting suckjobs from random vampires in season 5.
In any case, I appreciated his maturity.
I he was happy now with someone that h
There's a fan theory that Spike was raising the eggs to sell and make some money to get Buffy out of the Doublemeat Palace.
as far as I've seen, no one's mentioned this so I'm going to: I believe Spike's reasoning for having and selling those eggs were his warped way of trying to get money for Buffy. he's hated she's been having to work at the Double Meat Palace and has told her a couple times to leave it, that he will find a way to get her money. I think he was secretly trying to earn her some, knowing what he was doing was bad and she'd oppose to it, and was going to surprise her with the money once he sold them all. it was also a reminder that, although he believes he loves Buffy, he still has no soul. no moral compass. we needed that reminder.
Also, no matter your feelings about Riley, he was finally NEEDED in this episode by Buffy in ways he wasn't even aware of. she needed that reminder of who she is. she couldn't get it from her friends or sister, they're all dealing with their own personal stuff ( Xander and Anya preoccupied with wedding planning, Willow trying her hardest to kick her magic addiction, and Dawn dealing with her own trauma from season 5 and having abandonment issues from losing both her mom and Buffy not even a month apart and ever since Buffy has been back, she's been distant. Tara's the only one she's opened up to but Tara doesn't know Buffy as much as the others do. she can only do her best at being supportive )
( thirdly, I love Sam and I love that we got good closure on RIley, to know he's moved on and happy with someone who needs him in a way he's been wanting. she even gave Willow some more inspiration to keep fighting the addiction too ) sorry about the long comment, for anyone whose reading lol.
yall will justify almost anything spike does lmao
Damn, that was a crisp radish.
Michelle Trachtenberg turns 40 next year.
Oh my gosh, really?
@@mlkj13 Yes. Michelle Christine Trachtenberg was born October 11, 1985).
@@Ghost8386 So funny, I thought of her as so young back during Buffy’s original run. She’s closer in age to me than I ever realized.
@@mlkj13 I always thought of her as young too. I remember her from Pete and Pete as much as Buffy
Riley didn't steal it from Batman. Batman stole it from him!
“I need the money.” “I can get money…”
Yeah, in the “I can explain” He probably was going to say “I made a deal for them to give you the money”
@@daphneglasurus7886 Yeah, I think you guys are probably right. For all his faults, Spike isn't really an avaricious type. He's not interested in material things.
we NEED a FULL couch for episode 16!
the shirt of the vampire smelling Buffy is the same that was in season 4 episode 1 who was electrefied
Good catch!
"A wild bear?"
I mean have you ever seen a bear with mange, they look like they wandered in from Mordor.
There's a theory that I love to put out there anytime someone is talking about this episode. The theory is that Riley was at Buffy's house when her and Spike had sex outside (so we get a strange, far away camera angle). So he decided to make her see sense. He swooped in all heroic missiony, talking about "I need the best", flirting with her and withholding that he was married, and he framed Spike as the Doctor, who was actually holding them for a friend. The theory is backed up by the subtext of the stuff her coworker talks about (Machiavelli and President Johnson), the fact that Riley didn't seem particularly surprised to see Buffy in bed with Spike, and the things that Sam mentions about the Doctor: an international arms dealer with higher up connections who has already traded money on this deal - does that sound like Spike? Not to mention, if he had made deals like this before, he should have known the eggs needed to be refrigerated (weird detail they threw in there for no real reason), which Riley knew, so why was he hunting for the Doctor in crypts?
This episode makes very little sense when you try to break it apart and look at everything. But the breakdown I saw of this theory explains basically everything perfectly. I think the writers did it on purpose, but it's never been confirmed that I know of.
Great little comedy openers here with the Vampire not wanting to touch Buffy because of the smell of burgers off her at The Doublemeat Palace, and then Willow and Dawn noticing the grass stains on Buffy's clothes after another rough session with Spike. The bombshell of Riley returning can't really save this episode as I think it is very much 5/10 effort, a bit of a filler really. Once Buffy realises Riley is married she turns to Spike again, this time it almost seems like desperation as she asks Spike to say 'do you love me' and ask him again does he want her. It just seems that Buffy wants to be with Spike because Riley has returned, and when Riley catches them, it is awkward except for Buffy and Riley, but not for Spike who is reveling in the situation. Riley of course is right here in that he explains to Buffy that Spike is still amoral, soulless and dangerous. The overall plot of this episode is quite ropey, but interesting exchanges at the end with Riley and Buffy, and of course when Riley and Sam eventually do leave on the chopper, Willow waving them off but says 'what a bitch' trying to give some form comfort to Buffy. At the very end we feel Buffy is doing the right thing ending it with Spike, and uses his real name William, a throwback to S5 Fool For Love, in which Cecily cruelly rejected him.
When Sam says it took Riley a year to get over Buffy, why do people assume they didn't get married until after he got over Buffy? Plenty of people are not really "over" their X when they get married. They sometimes talk about them more than they should, think about them more than they should, I suspect that she helped him finish getting over Buffy after they got married...
I figure the year it took him to get over Buffy and the 4 months they have been married overlap by a couple months.
I was never a Ripley hater. I was a senior in high school during season 6 of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Finally, this series concluded two decades ago. Damn, I'm old.
"man lowkey fuck buffy" after we just found out spike is in the wrong...........
Oh, by the way, I am a Buffy fan. I really am! Buffy is short for Elizabeth. In this case, her Mommy just named her Buffy. Her mother has no idea, that the name Elizabeth even exists!
Buckle in now Normies, no more absences
It does feel like Riley's still not over her. Physically being away he was able to move on, but lost his cool being around her. Why didn't he mention being married when he had time to do so? If the wife didn't show up who knows what would have happened. He was waiting for Buffy's face to be an inch from his to say something?
He said in the car he had stuff to tell her but when they have time. He didn't want them to be distracted while looking for the monster.
Does any UK fans remember the Sky One interview/behind the scenes thing that aired with Richard Blackwood interviewing Sarah Michelle Gellar on the set of this episode, in the car ride over and him reenacting that graveyard scene between Sam and Buffy? 😂 I recorded it and would watch it over and over again over that I couldn’t watch this episode for years. Interview was great though 😂
It's my head canon that Spike was doing the deal with the eggs to get money for Buffy.
That makes the most sense. He has to get money somehow to buy pig blood and he doesn't have a job.
Sam is Buffy but emotionally open.
I would of like to Sam and Buffy more together
Here once again to request a full couch for episode 19! 🙏
The disgust concerning Riley is unwarranted, even if the suck jobs were a clear allegory to cheating. Leaving his military carreer and his whole life to become an accessory to Buffy was obviously and realistically bound to fuck with him, and it's been well established wayyy beforehand.
Doesn't make him justified in seeking comfort with litteral demons and letting his insecurities get the better of him, but almost everyone in the show end up spiraling into some crazy unhealthy coping mechanism at one point or another.
(SPOILERS) What willow does this very season (before even Seeing Red) is a thousand times worse, at least Riley was only ever self-destructive.
To quote Xander, y'all treated him like the rebound guy from the get go, just because he was too "bland".
I love the humour about the Burger smell on Buffy.
Buffy has always think she’s better than anyone else only because of her power with out them she nothing just like anyone else
You realize. Riley's wife is just a watered down version of Buffy. Just strong enough but not stronger than him.
Believe or not in the comics Riley tells them how much love his wife I guess can still with some doesn’t mean don’t love his new wife in the comics Riley Buffy there still married comics for years
Though some fans argue otherwise, it wasn't about being insecure with Buffy. It's that Buffy didn't share her feelings with Riley even at those low points with Joyce being sick and dealing with Dawn being the Key. She lone wolfed it and left Riley feeling like she was pushing him away
For Riley to have been married four moths before this episode, it means about a year between him and Buffy breaking up and him and Sam marrying. So, not very long.
So, I read that some believe that the reason Spike had those eggs, was that he was trying to make money for Buffy to help her out. That he thought he could sell them before they hatched. But I love how Buffy were able to just be real with Spike in the end and make the choice for herself to end it and to try and feel better.
In the 20 years that’s I have obsessed over this show I have never once considered that! And now I’m heartbroken😭
Which means little lol. Possibly condemn people to death to get Buffy money.
That's what I thought, too. "I can get money. C'mon, walk with me now. This place will kill you." -Spike in "Doublemeat Palace"
@@alysharichards3757 Probably because if that were the reason, he'd have said something like "I was doin' this for you!"
No. This was just Spike doing an "evil" scheme because he's still a soulless monster who doesn't have any hang-ups about facilitating a scheme that could hurt people, because he doesn't actually care.
nah this sounds like Spuffy fanfic
Did Rana just drop the soft A at 20:36 or am i hallucinating?
rama your choice your shirt is sublime 😉
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I will headcanon that Riley's team has been through some timey-wimey shit in a hell dimension or something, otherwise the timing absolutely just doesn't add up.
So close to 19-20... lets go!
Is it just me who finds this season just depressing
Riley's wife is played by the same actress who played Diyoza on the 100.
Spidey: "I don't like this episode already. Riley sucks." lmao Couldn't have said it better. This is one of my least favorite episodes from the entire show.
In 2 weeks, Reality bends. In 4 weeks, all hell starts to break loose.
CW for the last half of the season. I super don't want y'all to be triggered if you don't have to.
It is ridiculous that the first thing that Riley said to Buffy once they left the restaurant wasn't "by the way, this is a capture mission, plz don't kill the demon"
She isn't called the Capturer
Hey, look, Riley's back. You guys loved that dude, remember? I still can't wait until the end of this season for everyone on that couch talking about how good of a dude Spike is. I'm not saying shit, I just want to see the looks on everyone's faces.
Anonymous sanctimony from the safe position of hindsight.
Shhhhh
They know spike not good guy, he a soulless demon
this is still a spoiler lol
Oh yay mickeys back...
Comparing this to the episode where Oz came back really shows how much this episode was just there to torture Buffy.
.. it's literally the opposite. This episode exists to give her closure and through that help her start to move out of the depression she's been trapped in.
All of this hate for the man that won by Buffyverse relationship standards. XD
0:09 - 😂😂😂
Lol Micky
He read my mind lol
14:54
Honestly, do I believe that Spike has the ability to be evil and would do literally anything to get Buffy money? Yes. Do I think he has the evil capacity to be dealing arms or whatever? Yes. But do I think he actually was? Do I think any of that stupid plot makes sense? That he was an ONLINE international arms dealer when I don’t even think he has a phone? No, I don’t think that. I don’t know what the fuck was going on but I don’t think Spike was nicknaming himself Doc and dealing demon eggs on the internet. Sorry, it makes no sense.
First of all, phones didn't access the internet back then. Also, we have seen Spike use a computer before. But yeah, it is still somewhat farfetched, I can see that.
Agree 💯💯 A very poorly conceived story
Not to mention when would he have the time? Libraries close at night unless hes breaking into Everytime and even then he would need a bank account and all that other black market stuff movies/TV shows always say u need! @@MB.543
Plus when would he have the time or resources? Libraries close at night unless he's constantly breaking in?! Not to mention know how to set up a black market account lol
Since vamps can't be recorded or have a reflection, why not just rob a bank after hours?
Lets go!
Hells bells.
I don't trust Riley first he said the demon was extinct then he said they were breeders.
I was so bitter when he came back. How dare he be happy?
Why?
I suppose by practising self-forgiveness, self-acceptance, self-command, and self-exertion.
Some of us are Buffy and anime fans already 😊.
Funniest theory I ever read about the show was Riley planting the eggs in Spike's crypt because he turned up in Sunnydale and saw Buffy and Spike have sex against the tree and was jealous. The lengths Spike fans go to to excuse his behaviour.
Pat, Buffy did go to college. She left because Dawn needed taking care of. The point of what Dawn told Xander in the episode _Doublemeat Palace_ is that these kind of jobs are all she'll be able to have as long as she is the slayer and has to take care of Dawn also.
Riley shows up in a turtleneck. Ya know, last time he wore one of those he was hiding his vampire bite issues.
Suraj is right, he and Buffy should be discussing their issues, whether Riley is married or not. It should be one of many things they do talk about, and they don't. Riley may wake Buffy up from her state of depression, but by the time he leaves town, he and Buffy's issues are no better than when he left in _Into the Woods._
Spike being the doctor hardly seems a blip on Sunnydale problems that Riley and the army make it out to be. And considering Buffy could have used the money Spike claims he was going to get and give to her for said eggs (as Buffy still has friends living under her roof not contributing to rent), I understand his motivations, even if at the end of the day there was selfishness of wanting to not loose sleeping with her. Sadly, his idea of how to get the money (combined with Riley being a wakeup call for Buffy) was the exact reason why Spike did lose her.
Spidey is right that you don't really need Buffy for what he was doing. He had issues that, from his and Buffy's past's perspectives couldn't guarantee her help, and their issues made it uncomfortable. And as stated earlier, they left off no better on said about each other than before. In that regard, he was lucky she had depression issues because it meant she back-burned issues that would have been at the forefront (and a major problem) if she wasn't depressed.
Riley definitely married Sam without being over Buffy. He also married her because she is willing to placate his affirmational love language issues, and is more on his fighting skill level than Buffy was , which he always had problems with.
Sadly, if Joss wasn't the %&$# he was, this show wouldn't be as good. I think a lot of pop culture works that way. The issues of real people drive how well done pop culture all is.
Riley not telling Buffy he was married is a strain, but okay. Him not telling her about needing to track the demon rather than kill it is ridiculous. It’s a pattern this season: they need to kick Buffy when she’s down, and kick her again when she tries to get up, so they create contrived situations to frustrate and humiliate her. Maybe it’s just a consequence of Joss Whedon leaving as show runner so he could start Firefly and oversee three shows at once.
Better buckle your seat belts. After this, the shit is going to hit the fan.
Buffy moved on with spike why can’t Riley be happy he found someone that loves what he does they solders Sam was already in the army she just took gab year from the army
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Is it any surprise that no matter how he was reintroduced, the gang would piss on Riley..he might have been perfect, but he is damn well better choice than Spike who has killed how many ppl.
People in the comments talk to much like just shut up
Riley not telling Buffy pertinent information about him or a mission is just him being exactly the same stagnant no growth asshat he always was, only now he's someone else's problem. People focus on the "suckjobs" part like it was the first thing he messed up and her pulling away didn't make all the sense in the world (he was always like this and it would have an effect on anyone going through the illness and eventual loss of a parent to have a partner that repeatedly omits information).
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"It's takes a man to set a woman straight... that's what Joss Whedon was saying!"
Yeah, that's Joss for you. He always portrayed Riley as being the wronged party even after the suck jobs, and you probably recall that he had Xander lecture Buffy about why Riley was in the right. Which was a truly obnoxious scene.
No..I don’t think that was the message..Xander basically was saying why give up on something in the long run for a short term problem..it’s easy to make a snap decision, but both Riley and Buffy were having issues and neither was communicating to the other. Although Riley was a great college love, it was never meant to be..I think ppl will see what they want out of that whole thing..
I mean, Buffy did keep him at an arm's distance and he noticed that, that's why he left.
I've never been a Riley hater but as soon as he's not connected to Buffy you see how impressively bland he is
Even with the scar and leather overalls.
i love Riley
I feel the opposite.
Riley works so much better Sam fighting with him he so excited about with wife then Buffy at the end you could see how much he loved sam
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There's a VERY popular theory out there that Reilly got there the previous night, saw spike and Buffy at the tree, and then organized the whole thing to blame Spike and make Buffy hate him even more. I don't remember all the details but it's a very well thought out theory
No that's a cringe theory by spike fanboys
idgaf if Buffy was playing Spike like she’s depressed and I support women’s wrongs
Where do the women's wrongs enter into this? Either in someone being depressed, or in someone using another person to feel better about themselves, feminist issues have nothing to do with it. Its humanity issues and relationship issues that are at stake here.
With Mickey and Suraj back it's more talking than paying attention. Too much trying to be funny.
Well this is Reaction video so I know that’s why I’m here! The show is on Hulu if you’d like to watch it without them!
@@chrisnye60 usually they are more tolerable
The amount of victim blaming in regards to Buffy in this vid is insane. Spikes not some down on his luck nice guy, he's a centuries old serial murderer that literally stalked her for years until he wore her down and when she was at her lowest manipulated into sleeping with him. Like he's a fun character, but he is both literally and figuratively a predator.
so we just forgot cobra kai this week
No. They do Harley Quinn 2 episodes one week and 2 episodes of cobra kai the next alternating between them. So next Monday it will be out.
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Where is fallout?!?!?!?!??!?!
Oh my God, I'm offended. I'm looking at the cast and I can see only 4 white people. There's at least 3 that are not white. And I have something to say about it. Good thing you're all cute. That is a get out of jail free card but don't don't quote me on that. You cuties you! Plus It's been 15 whole episodes since I've. I've set eyes upon you. I haven't watched an episode since then. Here you are all cute and still young and still in college. I'm so happy for you!
I hate Riley he always messes her up. Im not sure we would have gotten the way it will go with them later if Buffy and Spike still been a thing. But they dont like spike anyways with Buffy which never made since why they loved boring Riley but also hated Angel
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He married a water down version of Buffy, because Buffy was too strong for him. He couldn't stomach the idea that she only wanted him and didn't need him due to some "weakness". Buffy didn't need him like vamps need blood. I cannot stand Riley.
This is probably the peak of Buffys bad behavior towards Spike, and that's saying something