"Downward Spiral: The Game" or "How to do Cartwheels Through a Minefield While Still Retaining Fans" being a homestuck fan is really just another word for endless torture.
"How to Do Cartwheels Through a Minefield While Still Retaining Fans" Being in the Homestuck Fandom for about 8 years, I have never seen a statement more accurate to describe this series and fanbase, thank you for this. 👌
Reading homestuck now is an even more unique experience today than when it was released. Look up Arm retrival here on UA-cam it's a readalong podcast with an Old fan who'll talk about the history. Homestuck starts off amazing but Act 6 is dogshit. Conversly Arm Retrieval starts out dogshit, but gets amazing going into Act 6 because that's where all the drama is.
@@pareidolist Watching this after Hussiequest is a fucking mood. From the deepest love and respect to the pits of dissatisfaction. Where did it all go wrong?
To answer the questions about the NSFW art: allegedly the artist was a staff member of Hiveswap and they created the original beekeeper. They asked Hussie if it was ok to draw porn of her and he said it was. Hussie realised that this was a big mistake and changed it just so there wouldn’t be a massive backlash
@@michaelbenson6595 Okay, I know this reply is a year old but I REALLY feel like I need to try and correct this: The reason why Telltale went under is largely because Telltale pretty much exclusively did adaptations. This was successful for a while but when their reserves were dry and Lionsgate pulled out of a deal they didn't have anything left. However, the reason why Telltale adopted the episodic model in the first place is because selling point and clicks wholesale wasn't working out and they wanted to experiment. And to be frank, episodic gaming was working out great for them for a while. Incremental purchases makes niche genres like Point & Clicks an easier sell and it allowed a lot of easy promotion. (eg. giving out Sam & Max 01: Episode 4 for free) Other causes re. Telltale can be attributed to overwork as they were clearly taking on too many projects at once and being creatively drained (TWD: A New Frontier is a pretty prominent example of how clearly exhausted the writers were), and they were constantly producing games that were competing with each other- And, unfortunately, when you bank on Batman or Minecraft for brand recognition, most of the people interested in said products just for the brand are just gonna watch a Let's Play. Episodic development did work financially and critically for Valve, but their employees got burnt out on Half-Life and because of how Valve works that means *EVERYTHING* Half-Life was cancelled on the spot. If anything they probably canned the idea too quickly, as Return to Ravenholm had a lot of very clear potential and passion behind it, and was an outsourced project anyway. While it was obvious that episodic development just isn't a fit for Valve they recoiled from it a bit too fast and the damage from that was clear. I think episodic development gets a bad rap because it's mostly used for the following purposes: 1. because telltale did it (eg. Life Is Strange, or Telltale themselves post-TWD) 2. Staggering development costs between games (eg. kickstarters that run out of money) 3. Because more purchases equals a markup price (hello, Square Enix, I didn't see you there) However for a story structure like the aforementioned Sam & Max, where every Episode can essentially pass as a standalone product, it's still in many ways arguably a *better* way to sell games than wholesale. You can get feedback on what you're doing mid-development, devs can get a constant flow of funding, consumers can get a lower-risk buyin in case they don't like the game, etc. It becomes more problematic when the Episodes mandate that you include cliffhangers that don't age well, or impede the ability to iterate on previous mechanics, but for something like Sam & Max those issues don't apply and it can slot into an episodic format easily. All that stuff about the virtues of the episodic model hasn't changed or really been disproven by its failures, it's more just that the implementation has often been bad, kinda like crowdfunding.
@@enderkaral178, doesn't that make the situation even more comically worse. DR is going to be full released in... I dunno, in roughly 3 to 4 years (maybe even in 2 years if everything goes just smooth as a sheet of glass), while hiveswap is... uhh... u know the stuff
This is basically how I felt the first time I heard about hiveswap and decided to follow it just to see its development. My reaction to the lewd concept art piece was met with a big amount of "that's nice dear but wtf?".
This really hurts so much T_T I'm one of those fans who got into Homestuck in 2012. Participating in the kickstarter was a huge part of like, my identity as a fan. I personally loved Hiveswap Act 1, but when you consider all of the time, money, blood, sweat, tears, anguish, and wasted artistic potential that went in to making it? Not worth at all. And that says nothing about how horribly the comic itself was hurt by all this...
I only got into Homestuck thanks to Hiveswap, so I'm pretty thankful for it, honestly. Then again, I never lived through the whole Gigapauses and whatnot.
@@chadthundercock1793 While What Pumpkin has largely recovered since the offending incident (which is really surprising, let me tell you), there was a time where a few bad apples stole the kickstarter money raised for the webcomic's sequel game and ran with it. That pretty much destroyed the company for years. Now we're very close to the release of Act 2 after years of progress on it, with the only thing left in the game being writing and coding-- all the art assets are finished, and much of the bulk of the work is done. What Pumpkin has two really well done titles under their belt as well, Friendsim and Pesterquest, with Pesterquest still being ongoing and releasing regularly. The employees love their job now, it's under new leadership and the epilogues are out. Things looking up for homestuck.
It's like... a rollercoaster of emotions watching this. All those years, man. I feel like I've spent a good part of my life watching the journey that is hiveswap (and homestuck, I guess) unfold. Good portrayal!
all this tells me is that Homestuck has been a mess for a Damn while and I was lucky to join this fandom in the holy lord of our 2020 while pre-2020 me ignored everything Homestuck as my Tumblr timeline was filled to the brim with this sweet drama I missed out on.
@@jamstheshapeshifter You're right, Raistlin, thank you for showing me the way. I'm going to keep hoping. I'm going to have so much hope it might as well become my aspect.
>Hiveswap isn't even being done as a game and there's no 100% proof we will get it in full, unless act 3 is the last one >Hauntswitch may actually never come out or it will be rushed as a 1 game without acts homestuck fans how do we feel
As a person who what indoctrinated into this fandom THIS FUCKING YEAR! i would like to think you for producing things that somehow are relevant to my interests. i never thought i would see relevant content that wasn't from upwards of three years ago.
This leads me to the conclusion that any and all video games not developed by major developers that are *actually released* are all... mOtHer FuCkInG mIrAcLeS
Christ, I’m getting a lot of (slightly, because I have trashtastic memory) unexpected recommendations now. I should probably READ. And WATCH. MAYBE BOTH. And now we wait. For more. Eventually...
Besides all the drama, they really should have just make it one big game then going out of their to make episodes and basically torture people by making multiple hiatuses
Joey has been stuck on Alternia for One and a half years.
alterniastuck
*Alterniastuck* even :?
f
How much longer must we w8????????
Christ
Puts video on loop
The timeline is now complete
you can take it off of loop now...
is it off loop now?
The loop never stopped...
"Downward Spiral: The Game" or "How to do Cartwheels Through a Minefield While Still Retaining Fans" being a homestuck fan is really just another word for endless torture.
"How to Do Cartwheels Through a Minefield While Still Retaining Fans" Being in the Homestuck Fandom for about 8 years, I have never seen a statement more accurate to describe this series and fanbase, thank you for this. 👌
*2.8 MILLION DOLLARS JADE*
Hiveswap will trully make you question your existance
What an unpleasant and interesting ride its been to get where we are now
@Neon Volta Act 2 is finally out and for a month and abit now, can't wait for act 3
@Neon Volta I know just thought of leaving that there
joey's been stuck on alternia for an entire year
edit: two years now
edit 2: three years. send help
Make it two soon
Now
I’m gonna go kill myself
Looks like itll be 3
we're all fucked
I've never even read Homestuck but this is the best Brodyquest I've ever seen.
Reading homestuck now is an even more unique experience today than when it was released.
Look up Arm retrival here on UA-cam it's a readalong podcast with an Old fan who'll talk about the history.
Homestuck starts off amazing but Act 6 is dogshit.
Conversly Arm Retrieval starts out dogshit, but gets amazing going into Act 6 because that's where all the drama is.
The original Hussiequest it's based on is pretty good too
@@pareidolist
Watching this after Hussiequest is a fucking mood.
From the deepest love and respect to the pits of dissatisfaction.
Where did it all go wrong?
@@CraftyChicken91 It turned out he didn't deserve that big toblerone
To answer the questions about the NSFW art: allegedly the artist was a staff member of Hiveswap and they created the original beekeeper. They asked Hussie if it was ok to draw porn of her and he said it was. Hussie realised that this was a big mistake and changed it just so there wouldn’t be a massive backlash
Omg lol
Allegedly:can i draw porn of her?
Hussie (distracted):yeah
*later*
Hussie:wait a sec HOLD ON!
Fe Mo
I don’t think the artist’s name was Allegedly lol
man thats fucked
Holy shit its really been nearly two years..
Holy shit, I haven't seen them pass by. where did those years go?!
Vannessa King
Holy shit it’s been nearly three years..
holy shit it’s been 3 years
4
are just going to ignore how shadok predicted the ending of pester quest by having joe go through the green sun.
"Episodic games work"
-people, somehow
it did not work for talltale (after a while), it did not work for valve, it might not work for what pumpkin
@@michaelbenson6595 It didn't work for Sega (holy shit does nobody remember Sonic 4 and how much it sucked?)
@@michaelbenson6595 Okay, I know this reply is a year old but I REALLY feel like I need to try and correct this:
The reason why Telltale went under is largely because Telltale pretty much exclusively did adaptations. This was successful for a while but when their reserves were dry and Lionsgate pulled out of a deal they didn't have anything left.
However, the reason why Telltale adopted the episodic model in the first place is because selling point and clicks wholesale wasn't working out and they wanted to experiment. And to be frank, episodic gaming was working out great for them for a while. Incremental purchases makes niche genres like Point & Clicks an easier sell and it allowed a lot of easy promotion. (eg. giving out Sam & Max 01: Episode 4 for free)
Other causes re. Telltale can be attributed to overwork as they were clearly taking on too many projects at once and being creatively drained (TWD: A New Frontier is a pretty prominent example of how clearly exhausted the writers were), and they were constantly producing games that were competing with each other- And, unfortunately, when you bank on Batman or Minecraft for brand recognition, most of the people interested in said products just for the brand are just gonna watch a Let's Play.
Episodic development did work financially and critically for Valve, but their employees got burnt out on Half-Life and because of how Valve works that means *EVERYTHING* Half-Life was cancelled on the spot. If anything they probably canned the idea too quickly, as Return to Ravenholm had a lot of very clear potential and passion behind it, and was an outsourced project anyway. While it was obvious that episodic development just isn't a fit for Valve they recoiled from it a bit too fast and the damage from that was clear.
I think episodic development gets a bad rap because it's mostly used for the following purposes:
1. because telltale did it (eg. Life Is Strange, or Telltale themselves post-TWD)
2. Staggering development costs between games (eg. kickstarters that run out of money)
3. Because more purchases equals a markup price (hello, Square Enix, I didn't see you there)
However for a story structure like the aforementioned Sam & Max, where every Episode can essentially pass as a standalone product, it's still in many ways arguably a *better* way to sell games than wholesale. You can get feedback on what you're doing mid-development, devs can get a constant flow of funding, consumers can get a lower-risk buyin in case they don't like the game, etc. It becomes more problematic when the Episodes mandate that you include cliffhangers that don't age well, or impede the ability to iterate on previous mechanics, but for something like Sam & Max those issues don't apply and it can slot into an episodic format easily.
All that stuff about the virtues of the episodic model hasn't changed or really been disproven by its failures, it's more just that the implementation has often been bad, kinda like crowdfunding.
DarthVaderReviews damn you didn’t have to write a whole essay
apparently people like Psycholonials
2:51 *and-rew hu-ssie an-da-rew hu-ssie and-rew hu-ssie an-da-rew hu-ssie and-rew hu-ssie an-da-rew hu-ssie*
How to summon god 101
yes.
The last words you hear before you become a Permanent Homestuck
NSFW Concept Art? Namco High? HOW DID I MISS THIS STUFF
i need link of this.
Judge_1987 ...which one?
@@DiamondBrickZ all of this :^
Judge_1987 the nsfw link you can just google it and find it on reddit
To busy being innocent
When the foolish deltarune fans say the second part is taking long. Hiveswap fans: hahahahahaha
release date deltarune : 2099
release date hiveswap : a few years and counting. but yaknow mabye never
Geometry Dash Fans: Ah… ha… hUUUUURRGGGHHHH WHY IS 2.2 NOT HERE
Toby said he release them as one not part by part but get your point
@@enderkaral178, doesn't that make the situation even more comically worse. DR is going to be full released in... I dunno, in roughly 3 to 4 years (maybe even in 2 years if everything goes just smooth as a sheet of glass), while hiveswap is... uhh... u know the stuff
@@waltervoidbringer4491 7*
To be a homestuck fan is to go through literal hell
This is basically how I felt the first time I heard about hiveswap and decided to follow it just to see its development. My reaction to the lewd concept art piece was met with a big amount of "that's nice dear but wtf?".
Wait that was real?
@Plasmic Stripes SOURCE?!?!?
@Plasmic Stripes oh ok
Lewd concept art of whom?? I haven't heard about this
Haha, I found it nvm
of course, how could we be so dumb. Andrew Hussie is a writer of time and once all acts are done, he'll go into the past and release them.
The song was *Nice* all throughout but dang, all that time and struggle. Dang.
* Pop * Noice
Yes! YES! You can do it!!!! Bring our Webcomic back, you're the only one that can save it.
Oh so that's why there haven't been news of new ACTs.
Hiveswap act two drops on the 25th and I'm so excited
"NSFW Concept Art"
I'm sorry... *W H A T*
They did it first so rule 34 didn't.
What a lovely gift for 4/13
“Happily waiting, counting the seconds, as thousands of years go by”
Next year in 2022 will be the 10 year anniversary since the original kickstarter existed. Oh how far we have come...
I had to do a double take on the NSFW art because I didn’t believe it at first
This really hurts so much T_T I'm one of those fans who got into Homestuck in 2012. Participating in the kickstarter was a huge part of like, my identity as a fan. I personally loved Hiveswap Act 1, but when you consider all of the time, money, blood, sweat, tears, anguish, and wasted artistic potential that went in to making it? Not worth at all. And that says nothing about how horribly the comic itself was hurt by all this...
I only got into Homestuck thanks to Hiveswap, so I'm pretty thankful for it, honestly. Then again, I never lived through the whole Gigapauses and whatnot.
Can someone please explain from the beggining im not sure what is going on
@@chadthundercock1793 While What Pumpkin has largely recovered since the offending incident (which is really surprising, let me tell you), there was a time where a few bad apples stole the kickstarter money raised for the webcomic's sequel game and ran with it. That pretty much destroyed the company for years. Now we're very close to the release of Act 2 after years of progress on it, with the only thing left in the game being writing and coding-- all the art assets are finished, and much of the bulk of the work is done. What Pumpkin has two really well done titles under their belt as well, Friendsim and Pesterquest, with Pesterquest still being ongoing and releasing regularly. The employees love their job now, it's under new leadership and the epilogues are out. Things looking up for homestuck.
@@FernGilly thanks for the summary
This is what i'm expecting of act 2
Me in 2018: Things can't worse than they already are.
2019: Hold my Epilogues.
> nsfw concept art
I came across that literally the day it happened and I was so confused lmao
It's like... a rollercoaster of emotions watching this. All those years, man. I feel like I've spent a good part of my life watching the journey that is hiveswap (and homestuck, I guess) unfold. Good portrayal!
all this tells me is that Homestuck has been a mess for a Damn while and I was lucky to join this fandom in the holy lord of our 2020 while pre-2020 me ignored everything Homestuck as my Tumblr timeline was filled to the brim with this sweet drama I missed out on.
ACT 2 HAS A TRAILER
I REPEAT ACT 2 HAS A TRAILER
ACT 3 ANNOUNCED
I REPEAT ACT 3 ANNOUNCED
ACT 2 CONFIRMED FOR NOVEMBER 2020, THIS IS NOT A DRILL!!!!!
Here on the release date of act 2 because finally
Lemme just say, though: as a French person, I'm really sad we couldn't save this timeline.
Don't surrender your hopes!
@@jamstheshapeshifter You're right, Raistlin, thank you for showing me the way. I'm going to keep hoping. I'm going to have so much hope it might as well become my aspect.
@@Maradrafts your new name is hope
You weenie
Nope, still nothing
Little did they know act two finally came out
There's a trailer for Act 2 now.
>Hiveswap isn't even being done as a game and there's no 100% proof we will get it in full, unless act 3 is the last one
>Hauntswitch may actually never come out or it will be rushed as a 1 game without acts
homestuck fans how do we feel
I had no idea all this happened. This was highly informative.
I can't tell whether I love its sheer quality or hate its inevitability
Joey rocking out on guitar while crying through her star glasses hit me in the feels
i made you draw Young sheldon as sollux once through a friend, glad to see you are consistently keeping up the good work.
It's happening fellas
one step at a time, it's comiiiing
Slowed it down to half speed at 2:12 to read all of the terrible news bits and it amplified the effect far more.
What Pumpkin staffs were fired?
That really explains why it feels that there is barely any animation in act 2
this needs an updated version
THE QUEST CONTINUES
wish we could get a sequel now that Act 2 finally got released
fun fact: this was the first brodyquest i ever saw
it was like. two, two and a half years ago? wild i know
yeah same. absolutely wild
this is the best video i have ever seen
Now its your chance to make part2
I want to get off Andrew Hussie's wild ride.
Whatpumkin (or what it is currently) is technically the always suffering and neverending company, its taking so many hits and always gets up.
Best 4 minutes of my life
As a person who what indoctrinated into this fandom THIS FUCKING YEAR! i would like to think you for producing things that somehow are relevant to my interests. i never thought i would see relevant content that wasn't from upwards of three years ago.
i don't even know what hiveswap is but i like this video
never knew that there could be so many brodyquest parodies
I'm so excited to play Act 2 once it's out in spring 2018
Ava Aelius ;(
How many boonbucks does everyone want to bet that Hussie will find a way to self insert himself into the hiveswap game
Everybody get ready for the next 4/13 when hussie personally visits your home to tell you hiveswap is delayed
Truly a Homestuck shitpost to rival the original Hussiequest
So uh... we're now on year 3. At this point, I'd be fine with a book or a comic.
now we gotta repet this for act 3 see you in 10 years idfk
This video was longer than my slowmode playthrough of Hiveswap act 1
well done
It's a race between Hiveswap and Star Citizen to become the game that takes multiple generations to complete
It took me until Andrew Hussie showed up *without* pictures of their eboy and clown eras that I realized this video was released 3 years ago lmfao
This leads me to the conclusion that any and all video games not developed by major developers that are *actually released* are all...
mOtHer FuCkInG mIrAcLeS
*shadok skipped 2020 for a reason, he knew*
Funny enough this is one of the things that got me into homestuck
you nailed the hiveswap art style
poor joey hiveswap has been through a lot, look how far she's went
and then everything changed when the epilogues attacked...
I’ve never even read Homestuck, nor do I know what what Hiveswap is, but this is great
Christ, I’m getting a lot of (slightly, because I have trashtastic memory) unexpected recommendations now.
I should probably READ.
And WATCH.
MAYBE BOTH.
And now we wait.
For more.
Eventually...
i thought this was funny but it also made me sad..
The dreams in which I'm dying are the best I've ever had
When you research... *that* image and then your facial expression p much matches Joey's
*i miss hiveswap, tails. i miss it a lot.*
absolute bruh moment i played hiveswap the day this video comes out (coincedence: 100)
also woa cool video
it is finally time to awaken...
november 25 2020
2:05 predicted the ending of pesterquest
Hiveswap Act: 2 has been announced and is on steam.
Besides all the drama, they really should have just make it one big game then going out of their to make episodes and basically torture people by making multiple hiatuses
It’s what Hussie does best, I know he’s not good for me but it hurts so good.
4 minutes of pure un-ending sadness
The shades hide the tears.
🦀🦀🦀The fandom is gone🦀🦀🦀
I'd say the 2d point and click version is better, as you can't see any low poly
3:23 we all ded
Ｎｏｔ ａｎｙ ｍｏｒｅ．
... At least until the next hiatus.
ITS COMIN'! IT'S COMIN' AND YOU DIDNT BELIEVE IT!
Undertale: im gonna take a no in this one
but hey, we just got ourselves an epilogue/prologue babey ! (happy 4/13!)
I see SOMEONE did something for Homestuck’s 10th anniversary
Didnt read the epilogue?
This made me question my existence.
hiveswapquest act 2 with post-hiveswapquest developments when
Idk the story of homestuck and hiveswap but still watching this
I'VE GOT NEWS, FRIEND
Come on hiveswap god dammit D:
The Virgin Hiveswap
V.s
The Chad Deltarune
WHAT DID I JUST WATCHED