DEVIN TOWNSEND PODCAST #7: Alien
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- Опубліковано 17 тра 2024
- Here we go again...
(0:00) - Looking back at the podcast / Self-help
(16:06) - The genesis of Alien
(27:42) - Self-sabotage during Alien / Anti-psychotics
(35:19) - The warehouse
(37:15) - Writing Alien
(44:10) - The meaning of Alien
(48:51) - Dev’s mindset during Alien
(52:21) - Info Dump
(1:01:25) - Dev’s relationship with the members of Strapping Young Lad
(1:04:28) - Lyrics
(1:06:16) - Sensitivity
(1:14:18) - Negativity / Vulnerability / Attention
(1:26:22) - Self-defence
(1:31:17) - Finding the next step / Lockdown
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No joke I've been thinking about this podcast everyday since the last one. Thanks Devin
Same dude!
Amen A!!!
Ditto
Glad you exist Dev, even though you might be suffering, you've lightened mine.
Yep
Devin must realize that an artist telling his story helps another artists to make their work. He doesn't have a clue how much his first two podcasts helped me to continue my work when everything seems sterile and worthless.
Same for me, it's even more useful than I experienced (like, I'm a massive fan but it's helpful beyond just appreciating the album)
Not gonna lie, I've been having a really really hard time, the last week especially, and Dev coming on with his wonderful voice near the end saying like "Hey, I hope you're doing well, and if you're not then I hope you'll be better soon" actually nearly made me tear up a little bit.
Thanks, Dev. I'll do ya proud
"And I can't even EAT and I can't even fuckin PISS!"
I feel blessed to have caught Devin and the KILLER strapping lineup for their North American Leg of them touring for the Alien album.... Man the energy and stage presence he had that night, he had the crowd in the palm of his hand. Just INCREDIBLE! Ill never forget that night. Brought my dad to see them for the second time that night. I got to see SYL three times and was NEVER disappointed. The club felt like it was gonna start falling apart, the tunes SO.LOUD, the pit just EEEEEVIL. And I MISS HIS SKULLET DAMMIT lol.... The lineup with Byron Stroud of Three Inches of Blood/Fear factory , Jed Simon, and the Atomic Clock Gene Holgan was just crushing man I tell ya. What workmanship man!
Never clicked on a video faster than this one
Same!!
Ditto brother!!!
what a treat!!!
Indeed
Right! Almost broke my phone screen
I know Dev isn't a therapist, but after listening to the podcasts if feels like I just have seen a therapist for emotional support. The same is said about the Dev's music catalog. Thanks, Dev.
I've had the pleasure of meeting Gene a few times, running into him at shows and outside of venues and such. One time I asked him, "What happened to SYL? Why did you guys stop? Why did Devin want to stop such an amazing project with so much great music?" I don't know if he just didn't want to explain, if it was just too long of a story, or didn't want to think about it, but he basically said "I don't know." If this is actually true, I think this episode will give him understanding of these questions, as it did me.
BTW, last time I met him as outside of a Death Angel show in SF at DNA Lounge. He was in town working on the new Testament album. He was wearing a SYL: Alien shirt! So he's definitely never forgotten!
3:57-5:13
Devin,
Today, after almost six full months of "letting myself go", I had that "alarm clock" moment to get my shit together, and then your podcast became available about 30minutes after I had just taken the first step in doing so.....and then I heard that portion of the intro.
It's been about 7 hours since and I'm still absorbing hearing you say what you said at that particular moment.....
No other words really....just sharing...
I met my parents first time in 18 years a week after this came out, listened to it night of
Devin, you are such a pure and incredible human being.
How open you are and aware you are with your mental state and the world is inspiring. You have connected with people in this podcast more than you will ever know, me included. I just want to thank you for your work. Not only music but just being a brilliant human being. We hear you, we listen and we will always bring you love, more than the 'hurtful criticism'.
All the best, I will be supporting you as always and looking forward to the green screen magic and future endeavours 🤘
Ditto my friend!☝️🤘
Jesus man.... every time I listen to one of your PodCasts I leave so humbled. And to be quite honest every time some of your music is release I secretly hope that something like the old days of SYL will surprise me. I am a metal head who has anger that is released through music. I don’t listen to much anymore besides “chugging” music. I pushed Transcendence to the side because it wasn’t heavy enough to me. I pushed Empath to the side because it was even less than Transcendence. When I finally got over my ego and gave each of those albums a chance it was ground breaking for me. I’ve finally found a way to show emotion. Something I’ve never been able to do in my life. Ever. Tears are something that doesn’t happen to me. But there are many songs that you have created that will leave me with goosebumps and teary eyed because your music is the key that unlocked my broken soul.
Yeah, bottled up sensitivity is a common issue for people these days. Had the same problem, though on a far lower 'level'. Devin was one my keys as well - Steven Wilson was another. Exploring deeply emotional music has become the go-to for me whenever I feel empty.
Beautiful brother !!!
OMG ITS HERE! I have an Alien Sleeve Tattoo with this album taking centre stage. Thank you for coming back to this!
Any person that feels they're in any position to be upset with Dev for not wanting to do heavy music anymore really needs to understand that this journey he's been on his entire life, wasn't for you. You don't get to decide what an artist makes. I get it's a lot more common to stick to a genre as it's easier to advertise yourself and to maintain your audience, but if you're a musician on a path to understand yourself, who uses music as an outlet to see who you really are, what other people really isn't all that important. If you want something, YOU FIND IT. If you really are a fan and you really appreciate what he does, then you need to respect his decisions. This isn't the place to ask for things.
I'm in a position where I feel Dev has done so much for me, even though he doesn't know who I am. I respect him not only as a musician but as a human being. His music is for him, and with that, he has attracted an audience that enjoys the products of his trip. But rather than forcing a disconnect between artist to audience, he has done an immense amount of work to make himself out to his audience as the human he is. It's unfortunate that there are so many people in this world who lack the ability to stop being selfish, to see just how deluded they are and wrapped up in themselves that they can't just respect the things that people like Devin are providing to them. Human behavior is a funny thing.
Plus, a fair amout of the music he's done with Empath and other albums is definitely sonically heavy.
@Dundhunter Very well put. I can't for the life of me understand that there is people out there being aggressive towards this man. But then, I'm a newcomer to his scene, found him a month ago. Via an "Voice coach reacts"-channel... "Kingdom" on EMGtv, of course... But, unlike many others, I went directly searching for him on UA-cam, and found his channel. Then I went the react-video circuit to get some idea of which songs I liked. Went to iTunes and boght them. Went to his homepage and bought some merch. Went to his Gofundme-page to help, since the economic disaster that he ended up in when Covid-19 interrupted his Empath Tour. Have bought ticket for his upcoming virtual concert. He has matured into such a loveable man, and as an artist he is entirely intriguing. Much of his work goes straight over my head, some of it is just a little too complicated/hard, and he have done SO MUCH. It's very hard to chew down in one bite, so I take it slow. But I have 13 songs in iTunes now, so it's an OK playlist.
Couldnt have said it better!
@@Australalien89 Empath isn't heavy.
@@thrashingputz5163 he didn't mean in your face heavy. He meant the sheer amount of layering and ambience is heavy in its own way.
Never stop being you Dev. You are loved
From one sensitive person to another: thank you for setting a courageous example of constantly sharing, Devin. You’re a huge inspiration!
YES!! HE'S BACK!! THE BIG D.T. FROM THE BIG C! MUCH LOVE FROM MICHIGAN!!
Thanks for being real, man. It matters tremendously, what you do. My life experience is certainly better for it.
I commented the first time more due to enthusiasm, but after hearing the whole podcast, I have this to say, in a more serious manner: Thank you Mr. Townsend for this record. I know you very much experienced suffering doing it. But, believe me, there's a lot of us: sad, angry, depressive people out there. Lost souls in a way or another. And this record speaks to us. It's easy to feel empathy in a "healthy" way. it's more difficult to connect, conversely, with those that are plunged into the depths of despair, sadness, anger and loneliness. It's understandable. Who wants to connect with those people? It's a sad, difficult enterprise. And what you achieved with this record, is that. You can't imagine how much I've felt various sections of this record speaking directly throught my heart in times were things were really dark and oppressive. From the heroic "Imperial" beggining (NOW, IS THE TIME, WE DELIVER!!!!), to the madness of "Skeksis" and "Shitstorm", through the "DON'T TELL ME FUCKING SHIIIIIIIT!" of Shine, onto the beautiful and incredibly sad landscape that is "Two weeks", and further. This is a record that is incredibly important to me. It's important to feel that you are not alone in the dark times. If it wasn't healthy for you, I completely understand, but nevertheless, thank you. You connected with us, the lost. The sad...the angry. I'm a hundred percent sure you helped not only me, but a lot of others, and lifted us from depression and despair, with "Alien". It's immense. Powerful. Gives you STRENGTH to endure. Reminds you of a power inside you that you tend to forget amidst the darkness. A fucking invincible flame of life and power that shines between the madness....at least that's how I feel it. Or, if I'm feeling mad, reminds me that I'm not the only one that can feel mad, paranoid, and destructive. I'm even 100% sure that you saved people from suicide with it. Your sacrifice with this album will never be forgotten. I for sure will never forget it. Horns up forever \m/
I felt this comment. That's exactly it. When an artist is over an experience like that they may fall into the trap of dismissing the importance and truth of that moment in time. It's only natural to want to rise above it, but there's also beauty and truth in being in it while it lasts.
It is always very consoling listening to you Devin.
You said that this one would be a tough one. I wouldn't have minded if you didn't go through with it if it would bring back too many bad memories. But seeing that you posted it.... I hope it was somewhat therapeutic for you and it resulted in some relief. I'd like to thank you for the podcast, I'll check it out later when I have some peace and quiet so I can give it the full attention it deserves.
My favourite metal album, if not favourite Dev album of them all. And this podcast to go with it is the cherry on top
I'm one of those people that truly appreciates these podcasts and I'm sure there are MANY of us. Hearing your voice anew after re-hashing the other podcasts over and over (they have a certain comfortable nature to them) is not just joyful but also encouraging and insightful. Please don't stop doing these
A pharmacologist here. Sadly most psychiatric drugs cause the body to adapt to them, as in increase the natural reactions which the drugs are trying to suppress. Thus, getting off those drugs has to be done slowly, otherwise there's a "rebound" reaction (you go from depressed to maniac quickly). This applies both to antidepressants (SSRI etc) and antipsychotics (neuroleptics etc).
Controlled rehabilitation from those medicine takes from at least 2 weeks to sometimes 2 months. Quitting them straight away must've been painful.
Damn, was hoping to hear him explain some of the songs =(
We love you Dev. There's always going to be the minority that wants to hate just to hate. Personally for me, your music in general SYL, DTP, DTB has helped me through ALOT. You have no idea. I met you at a show in Phoenix, Arizona back in 2011 or 2012. You are the most humble guy on the planet, your show was one of the most positive experiences of my life. I remember you wished me luck with my music and such. But man, that night went a long way for me. I still think about it to this day. So please, keep doing what you do.
I really appreciate that you're taking this (rather difficult I guess) journey with your discography. This album is so important to me because it was the soundtrack for many times of my life when the frustration was very real and this was the perfect musical catharsis. Stellar production as well, I still find new elements every single time I listen to it.
Man, that story about being uncharacteristically aggressive really spoke to me. I've been doing that shit over the past 5-6 years, and it's becoming more frequent. Its not me at all, and I think I need to address it. I feel guilty literally every time I do it. I learned a lot from this episode. Especially with the guy buying Devins coffee. That might have changed my life, from here on. I am very greatful for this podcast.
I'm a simple man, I see "Devin Townsend Podcast", I click thumbs up. Also, HOLYSHITIVEBEENWAITINGFORTHISONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Regardless of the bad headspace he was in, Alien is a highly underrated MASTERPIECE.
A discussion of one of Devy's most brutal works ends up putting me into an almost meditative trance lol. Nice Alan Watts vibe from this one.
Devin,
Please keep putting these out, they're a joy to listen to and listening while I'm working makes the time fly by! Also, if you decide to keep this thing going after you get through all the albums you'd have a loyal listener here. I'd love to keep hearing your ideas and perspectives in this format if you were to continue with further subject matter.
YESYESYESYESYESYESYESYESYE-
I was worried we wouldn't get any more!
I can NOT express eloquently and sufficiently how thankful I am for this podcast. I wish there was a way to thank Devin for being so real, so sensitive and so.... very comforting. Having listened to this, i feel like I've been hugged. Also I feel like I just talked to a friend. and also like a detox.
That's what I mean by comforting. ❤
God Damn it all, Devy!
I love you so much man 💜 strength & resolve to all in these times!
#BeWhoYouAre
A lot of people appreciate you as a person Mr. T. Your story is an interesting one. Parts of it make you feel bad to recount but as I'm getting to know you better through these podcasts, I'm finding that I like you more even though I know more about your mistakes. Your honesty is refreshing and how you got your shit together despite the darkness is a fine example for young people today. Thanks for doing this buddy.
I admire your vulnerability. Thanks for this
I cherish these so much, Dev. They represent a catharsis, and a sort of validation for my struggles on a few levels. Thank you so much for sharing this deeply and honestly, and for everything you do. You are appreciated, respected, and loved. Thank you.
Can't wait for the next thing, whatever the next thing is.
You're talking about things I think about all the time.
Thank you, Devin. Not only have you helped my creative processes but you've also helped my personal life too. It is so great to hear your perspectives on life, creativity, music, and relationships. Its like therapy from someone who understands what it's like to have the gift and curse of being a creative soul. Thank God for you, Devin and thank you.
Oh boy this background music is a real treat, it's relaxing
I wish I could like this 1k times. PLEASE DO NOT STOP MAKING THESE!
I forgot this existed, but it's a pleasant surprise.
I hope these are as good for you as they are for me Dev.Thanks.
I am very happy you chose to continue talking about all this. Please do more if / when you feel like doing so :)
I've been listening to your podcasts over and over and over again during COVID. Comforting as I fall asleep, and in enduring my own mental health struggles with bipolar and anxiety disorder. To have my musical idol, who has gone through similar experiences, with great insight, reflection and self-compassion, has been a blessing as I deal with my own self-esteem issues. Thank you, Devin.
So incredibly stoked for another round!!!!!!
Dev, we love you, you owe us nothing, no explanations, no output at all but what we do get from you is highly appreciated, valued and important. Stay humble and great!
Yea. 2:40AM, waiting for a cheeseburger (a double!), listening to this - everything's good for a moment in this 'rona-ridden time.
Many of the things you mention resonate so much and I can truly empathize (no pun intended ha!). Listening to this is therapeutic, you are not alone in the way you feel about being part of a metal scene and how you're supposed to be and act... It goes deeper than that, but I don't want to write anything lengthier and too in depth here, but thanks so much for sharing all this, Devin, it really means a lot
Thanks for the awesome music, and for the sincerity. It's humbling, awesome, and random. I've been hearing you for almost 13 years and always loved what you expressed. At first thought it was funny, then started to understand there was a whole lot more to be expected. Now I see an open universe whenever I dive into one of your songs, and this is both humbling (having the opportunity to listen to it) and confusing (not being able to respond to the magnitude of what I'm hearing). Money is just a piece of paper, you should be eternalized through your legacy. I'll make sure my child listens to your whole discography. I love you man. Peace!
Who else went to go watch "The Making Of Alien" after listening to this?
Devin, for what it's worth, 'Alien' has been a record that will always soothe me. There are days where my paranoia turns into a full on disassociation with reality. During a time where pills and alcohol were my past-time of choice, I found my sanity in this record, honestly. What I took from it, was that someone out there not only understood the atrocious mental state I was in (not personally but as a concept) but had put into what I think is a masterpiece-level testament to bleak mental health, irrational anger, fear and paranoia. It really shoots through that. 'Shitstorm' is likely the one that hits me the hardest. That song is the "emotional devastation" that I deal with. lol
Right on, brother!
Agreed, for me this album is mania personified.
Alien is a very special album for me. It was there for me in a time in my life where I needed an outlet as extreme and as chaotic as the product of Alien ended up being. I got a sense of the paranoid, fearful vibe Devin transposed onto the record and I felt very well represented by that. Now that I'm older and I've changed and grown since that time, hearing Devin's testimony of that time for him I feel represented in a way by those statements as well. Not to romanticize that headspace at all (Dev's totally right to warn against that), but I was in a fragile state of mind where I needed to hear that echoed in a musical outlet that made me feel connected to someone out there.
I don't expect this comment to resonate with everyone. But I do want to thank you sincerely, Devin, for putting Alien out into the world. It helped a very scared and lonely kid find a desperately needed sense of catharsis. And it made me feel much less, pun unintended, alienated throughout some difficult times.
Devin Townsend continues to inspire me in so many ways. On one of these podcasts Devin said that his goal is to help and not to hurt. Speaking for me personally, you have achieved that goal, sir. Your authenticity, your music, and your honesty have all helped me immensely. Love you, Devin!
Love from Russia!
Alien was soundtrack of my childhood
1:19:27 "who wants to be disliked?"
You know Devin, I heared all your podcasts. And what I can hear is a human being who's speaking to us with honnestly. I have a lot of respect for that !
And I can assure you that I'm not gonna dislike you for that, in fact it's the exact opposite !
Because it's pretty rare to learn that kind of information from an artist itself (wich I understand of course). But it feels good to learn about the human behind the artist. Keep it up !
From a fan from France 🙂
A great surprise present - Thanks Dev
Devin You're an inspirational Radiator.
Love may well be the way forward but you have the right to Not love where it would be wasted .
And who doesn't Love to get Wasted ???
Balancing Awareness with Over-sensitivity is one of the dilemmae for the 'advanced' consciousness.
Keep doing what you do and your power will have the effect that it should.
My absolute favorite album of yours.
Infinite cosmic insanity.
Such a cool listen! Many of us are going through a fragile time in the world at the moment. Thanks for the soothing words of wisdom Devin. Greatly appreciated and helping to get ones head screwed on the right way on this Friday afternoon COVID Lockdown. xx
Once again, thanks so much for these Devin.
These podcasts mean so much to me in these times. I would love them any time but especially in these rough times they're a solace.
And it's always great to hear someone opening up. There's no weakness in being empathic and showing so.
you have no idea how long ive waited for this. every time i get into the podcast app, i always scroll past the devin townsend podcast just to be disappointed that the most recent episode was may 11th.
But I mean we kinda DO have an rough idea how long you’ve been waiting....since May 11th probably? Give or take.
Just thanks. I appreciate you coming back to these, I got so much from them so far.
Dev, I know that these chats are mostly framed within the context of the music industry but i think you would be surprised how applicable your knowledge and experience is across most industries. These podcasts, among several other factors, have helped inform a major career move for me within the IT industry over the last 6 months, as well as help me be more aware of my mental health management and treatment. I just want to say thanks for that.
Thanks Devin, really appreciate you man.
Thank you for continuing! I’ve listened to all the podcasts multiple times. Love background info on these albums.
My favorite SYL record... its a machine so well oiled... so well crafted! I need to go to bed now but this will be first thing I will listen to when I wake up. Bless you man.
Thank you Devin 😘, I know this is old but your podcast has helped me
I’m glad you came back with the podcast Devin!
Thanks Devin.
One of the best podcasts I've listened to lately! Can't wait for the next, could listen to your thoughts and ideas, insight into your processes, absolutely Amazing! Please keep these coming! Long live Devin Townsend!
I love how I started listening to these podcasts because I'm always fascinated by how artists (especially someone like Dev with seeming never ending creativity) write and create their albums, but i always end these videos feeling uplifted. Thank you for continuing these!
Thanks for choosing to finish these.
such a pleasure to listen to
Thank you, Devin. I think that you are teaching everyone (including yourself even) a lot with these podcasts. Thanks for sharing.
YES. I have been so ready for another one of these podcasts. Devin, thank you for everything that you do. Hope you are doing well.
Love it. Thank you Hevy Devy.
Yay!👏👏👏 Thanks for putting this together Dev, my highlight of the day! Stay well mate.
These podcasts are wonderful. I feel so much connection with what you speak about. The language of the heart. I also find that it enhances the albums that you speak of. I’m going to spend some time being present with Alien tonight. Thanks Devin.
Thanks for continuing Dev, it's been amazing so far.
Thanks Dev! ❤️
Yes! The one I think most of us have been waiting for!
This is very therapeutic for me right now. Thank You, Devin. 🙏
Awesome! Thanks Hevy Devy!
These are all absolutely spectacular.
Love the sincere nature of these episodes!
Just adding to the ratio of positivity and letting you know if you (Devin) read these comments that I for one appreciate these intimate communications that give us all insight into what you do/did and gives context to the art. Of course, we will all have our own connections to your art, but it's enjoyable to hear other perspectives in the comments and the creator's perspective (obviously). Also, these help keep me motivated as a self proclaimed artist, but also more generally as a human. I really enjoy other perspectives, especially yours, since in my eyes you are living successfully in many ways and are someone to look up to. I am in no way stating you are perfect or trying to stroke your ego, but simply stating I personally hope to find myself somewhat satisfied with the life I build for myself now and in the future and your experiences as an imperfect person who is capable of getting somewhere are invaluable in giving me hope that it is an achievable goal.
Keep going, be well, and thank you Dev. For all the others in the comments, thank you too and be safe!
Incredible, thank you for sharing so openly!
Yessssss. Thank you, Mr. Townsend!
THE ONE WEVE WAITED FOR FOUR MONTHS FOR (4)
That was great to listen to, thanks for your honesty, we don't get to hear enough of that.
Thank you Devy!
Thanks so much for sharing what’s in your heart.. for sharing these deep and personal insights. Much love, much light.
Yes I been waiting so long !!!
I love these podcasts 👌
so glad to hear you back
You have no idea how much I need this right now at 4:30 in the morning. As a matter of fact I will listen to all of your podcasts again today before work. These are true escapes from what I’m going through right now.
Thank you for continuing this podcast series. Can't be easy going this in-depth, but I do think you are helping a lot of people with these.
please never stop !!!
YES! This is the one I have been waiting for. My favourite SYL album (and 2nd favourite DT album)
Love you, Devin. Thank you for this, and I hope you're doing well.