Is Carlos Correa right Derek Jeter didn't deserve any of his Gold Gloves? |
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- Mike Greenberg reacts to Carlos Correa's comments about Derek Jeter's five Gold Glove awards and questions whether the free-agent shortstop will regret them.
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"HE'S A BIRACIAL ANGEL"
"YOU GOTTA LET ME FLY, I'M A PEACOCK DAMNIT!"
You shudda shot Arod!
“This is why people shake nerds” 😂 that guy was the biggest Derek Jeter fan boy I’ve ever seen
WELP, looks like Correa won’t be getting any calls from the Yankees, THAT’S for sure.
And he’s going to Detroit
@OKC JON G Not talking about Jeter. I’m talking about the Yankees. Say what they will, but Jeter is ROYALTY up there. Correa going to the Yankees, after making a statement like that, would not sit well with Yankee fans, and they know it.
@OKC JON G new Yorkers don't care about jeter no more? Ok dum dum,n the award for tool of the day goes to......... YOU
@@brentduanefoster Us yankee fans don't like what he said, you're right ,but if he came to yankees majority of yankee fans would love it .If he helps us win then it will be all love
@@arkhamknight6371 Fair enough.
In (20) seasons, where he defended shortstop in (2,674) games, which represents the 2nd most in history and therefore the most innings at the position. (-253) Defensive Racing cost him in (20) seasons as a whole, the worst mark in history. In the historical list in the statistics that I mentioned above they follow: ➡️Gary Sheffield = (-195) ➡️Adam Dunn = (-167) ➡️Michael Young = (-152) ➡️Matt Kemp = (-141) All, recognized as bad defenders. It seems that Carlos doesn't actually speak as much trash as they want to make it seem, 😐
What is defensive racing cost and how is it calculated?
Those words made me a Correa fan
Y'all got to remember that the opposing teams coaches & managers voted for him. His team couldn't vote for him.
Yes, but in that moment it was not based on the defensive metrics that show that he was not a good shortstop. If jeter was playing today, he would not have any gold glove
@@ler3122 That's like saying MJ wouldn't be good in todays basketball. You know he would be.
@@PokeJakee no one said jeter wouldn’t be a good player in today’s league , he just wouldn’t be winning any gold gloves lol
Plus bad comparison with Jordan
Advanced stats show Jordan’s greatness , doesn’t diminish him
And Jordan was actually the best player in the league
Jeter never was
@@PokeJakee oh my god!!!! Jeter had a -165 drs. Btw don’t compare him to jordan because he was never the best player in baseball
@@PokeJakee Don’t ever compare JorGoat to some overrated player.
Problem with throwing dirt, you get some on yourself. Jeter handled it with class
Jeter was a winner that’s all I know
okay but whats that have to do with gols gloves? lol
James Harden is a top 5 scorer ever. That doesn’t mean he deserves to be on all defensive teams lmao
Watch more basketball
@@atribecalledlen3567 He needs to learn baseball first.
So a cheater is going to tell us who should be winning something? Seems fair
🤣🤣🤣🤣 That part.
Still ignoring the facts....
@@TeamRocketWes this pos could tell me I'm burning alive while I'm on fire and I still wouldn't listen to him
@@agentcodybanx8909 🎻🎻🎻
Statistics don’t always tell the story.
Yup, Jeter's high fielding percentage doesn't show how he was never a good shortstop.
I agree with Carlos. Jeter was a terrible fielder he was a winner because he knew how to hit. He also had people around him on defense that made up for it. Did he deserve the gold gloves no. Was he a World Series champion yes
Boggs wasn’t that good at 3rd by the time Jeter got there. A-Rod wasn’t good his first two years at 3rd. Knoblauch was awful at 2B. Giambi was brutal at 1B. Aaron Boone was not a very good 3B. Cano choked defensively in big spots.
"My data can't account for that" is way better than shaking nerds :)
Didn’t Carlos Cheat😂 , so he determines who’s capable of winning awards . Baseballs a Dying sport
He cheated for hitting. They are talking about defense
Definitely NOT a dying sport. Just because the average “fan” lacks the patience that the game of baseball requires doesn’t mean that the game is dying.
Yankees were involved in numerous cheating scandals. Most recently in 2017, but astros get the blame
@@cristobalospina620 we just go sweep that comment under the rug 😔
If you think the Astros were the only team using technology to steal signs you're a fool. Every team was doing it, the Astros just got caught.
This guy doesn't know the game
I want to see the numbers for those years he won gold gloves against other players those same years
Go look it up. It's at your fingertips
Just go to Baseball Reference
"This is why people shake nerds" 😂😂😂
Said the biggest nerd in the set lol. I think he just got used to sucking on meters D**k
He doesn’t deserve that chip lmao
Derek Jeter has become a sacred cow that you're not supposed to question under any circumstances. That's intellectual laziness.
HAHAHAHA so true😂🤣
Intellectual laziness is pointing to a stat that makes no sense and that you don’t understand to show how “bad” jeter “really is”. I bet you think America is an evil country too.
1. The flip play wasn’t a gold glove year
2. Responding to a wide ranging data set with “what about this single piece of anecdotal evidence” just goes to show how out of his depth Mike is. Go home, Mike.
Explain, in your own words, the wide ranging data set and its significance. Thank you.
It also wasn't a championship season
Jeter is a biracial angel you take that back ESPN
Being a winner and being a bad defender are 2 different things... Other situations where people were given GG or even MVPs where somebody was more deserving of it... Baseball is a stat based sport and when players win awards by ignoring their stats, only how their status is important to the league, then that's the problem... Ohtani being prime example from this year...
It’s not that one person was more deserving it’s that he won a gold glove as the 2nd worst shortstop one year. People just liked his personality but he was a horrible shortstop.
Baseball is a results-based sport. Jeter understood that. You and millions of others don’t. That’s why he’s the man and he has millions of haters.
@@greglbennett This is ridiculous. Being the captain of a winner isn’t the same as being Luis Sojo riding the coattails of a great dynasty. Maybe if the rangers didn’t focus so much on bidding against themselves on the un-clutch save for 2009 A-Rod and focusing almost exclusively on offense with me-first players like the roided out Juan Gonzalez, they would have won. A Jeter would have helped to right the ship
Look at the data. He wasn’t lying.
You can argue Carlos don't deserve his ring lmfao foh
I don’t like Correa at all, but this time I have to agree with what he said.
Who cares it's his opinion, Jeter is not beyond truth. Jeter is beloved in New York, we don't love Jeter in Chicago. If he was a bad defensive player he was bad, and Eli Manning was average. And Jeter wasn't the only Yankee winning🤦
Jeter was a good defensive SS in his prime. Manning was a good QB who became great in big spots.
Derek Jeter was a good player, but he was not great. He was an average guy who played on some above average teams. If he had played on some team that never won a world series, he would not be so beloved. People don't love players, they love championships.
He got carried all his career
Jeter was not average and he didn't play on "above average" teams. Jeter was a great player. And so were alot of those Yankee teams he was on. You cant be average or "pretty good" with a .310 career batting average
He had 3,000 hits average players don’t do that
@@TheUndefeatedOfTheEast you can be an average defensive player and still hit the ball which is probably what they meant.
@@nickcole1800 I believe he's the only Yankee to hit that mark. Which says quite a bit considering all the legends that have wore the pinstripes
He’s a hypocrite he didn’t deserve his ring lol wasn’t won legitimately
Jeter didn’t deserve his rings either since he won with roided teammates
@@chisatofan4769 still more legit than a team stealing signs with technology.
The title of this vid is enough to get someone shot in 90% of ny!
Even if Correa was right, there’s no upside in saying it. Its like telling your mother in law to wax her upper lip. Just cause she’s got a stache doesn’t mean you should point it out.
Well said lol
I don't know the context he said it in, it might've been appropriate to say
This is when metrics is so stupid 🙄
Everyone's going to make some excellent plays from time to time. Every single short stop in the history of the game who's played in the league for a period of time is going to have several highlight real plays. I watched a lot of Philly games and would witness Rollins make an epic play on a regular basis, whereas Rollins is an amazing short stop hence it was a regular occurrence. Jeter would make a solitary amazing play in a season and we're still watching the highlights. Is the jump throw really that impressive? Rollins would already have the ball at first base by the time Jeter throws it.
He isn’t wrong…
I never knew this about Jeter. Great player and great winner, but not a great fielder.
Exactly. Most people don't know that Charles Barkley sucked at defense. Great rebounder and offensive player, but defending? Nope.
@@LaughinLoneStar definitely not the same....Charles Barkley led the league in rebounds a few times....rebounds is a part of defense.....it stops the other team from getting a 2nd chance at scoring....
@@LaughinLoneStar even his individual defense wasn't that bad....let's not forget he's the shortest guy in history to lead the league in rebounds at only 6'4"
You didn’t know about it because it’s fabricated.
True Statement 🔥
If you think Derek Jeter is bad defensively you don’t know Baseball.
Look at the numbers
@@TheOldSchoolGamer93 haha, that's the problem, people just believe "the numbers" on subjective stats like DRS that are literally one individual's eye test written down in the moment and then we all are supposed to assume it is math and not an opinion
I don't think he was bad defensively, I know he was atrocious defensively.
@@e2go Couldn’t be that bad, won 5 championships
@@e2go Yes because it’s very easy to win 5 championships with an “atrocious” defender up the middle. It must suck to watch baseball with no idea of what you’re looking at.
Sound like someone didn’t get a gift bag on the way out the next morning
The worst defensive player in history? My boy Nuno said it best. This is why people people shake nerds 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Let's be honest about this, Jeter likely never would've won a GG if A-Rod hadn't joined the Yankees. A-Rod had won back to back GGs then joined the Yankees & moved to 3rd which opened that door for Jeter. Even then, while Jeter made exceptional plays from time to time he wasn't consistently spectacular defensively which is what the GG winner is supposed to be
there really weren’t many great shortstops during his career. ripken was near the very end of his career when jeter started his
@@JonathanKim-ee1iy this is very true. The big 3 at the time were A-Rod, Jeter, & Nomar. Nomar was a better hitter than fielder though he was above average as a fielder of I recall. I remember Jeter being much the same but a bit better fielder w/ less pop at the plate compared to Nomar. A-ron in the other hand was the complete package. He was the best fielder of the bunch & had a bat that was equal or at least comparable to both of them but had the more power to boot.
Great take! I agree 💯 with what you just said
A-Rod is the most overrated defender in the history of baseball. Dude made more money than pretty much anyone in baseball history when adjusted for inflation and he couldn’t catch a pop-up. There are 13 year olds who could catch a pop-up on the regular.
Yes, he’s right.
If he don’t sign with the Yankees he will be be booed out of the stadium when he shows up there with another team
yeah stop the cap. Jeter wasn’t the most talented at short but he put in a lot of work, dove into stands had the patent jump throw and in slow rollers he went in on them. I understand it coming from Correa because of his skills at short but stop it. 5 rings deserved lol
That jump throw would be a routine play for most shortstops. Jeter had terrible range so that’s why he had to make a jumping throw
Not a Yankee fan but i am a Jeter fan and the is assi nine ten and eleven!!! Jeter was a great BALL PLAYER!!!!
Derek Jeter:
Great hitter, winner, leader AND horrendous defensively
Its not hard.
He was such a great leader that he refused to switch positions when the Yankees had a far better shortstop in ARod😂
He wasn’t horrendous defensively, this is revisionist history. Soriano was horrendous, Knoblauch was horrendous, Giambi was horrendous.
Jeter is literally 50 times the man & baseball player Carlos Correa.
Lol no he's not
I love Correa but jeter was something amazing to see playing 💪
Because he was truly so trash lol 😆
@@johngalt2336 Yeah you never watched him 😆
@@jordan12118 I grew up on 167 concourse I've seen him plenty lol
Was a terrible defender. I lived in Mott haven, South Bronx. I was there for his 3000th hit. Great player. Awful fielder.
@@glennwilliams2950 the guy was a winner played the game The right way me as a lover of baseball got nothing but respect ✊🏽 for the Captain
Correa was definitely right.
If Jeter cared as much about winning as people thought he would have let ARod take short and he would have moved to third. He was massively overrated.
He might have 'suggested' Joe Girardi drop him from 2nd in the batting order in those last few seasons as well.
Exactly. ARod was light years ahead of Jeter at short. Yankees decided placating Jeter's ego was more important than putting the best team on the field.
@@e2go If a roided out Jeter had begged to come to A-Rods team, the way a roided out A-Rod begged to come to Jeter’s team, perhaps things would have been different. Jeter didn’t care about winning now? Y’all Jeter haters are wild.
only super saber nerds think this .... actual real fans who WATCHED him play every day, never thought he was a bad defender. He made so many great plays in the field day in and day out, its madness to think he wasnt a good shortstop
Alex Correa is like a married man. In a marriage, you can be right or you can be happy.
You can't be both. This is not the place, or the time, to be right.
Get a deal from the Yankees, and fight this battle another day and time.
Numbers don't lie, but now is not the time to be right.
I thought we all knew Derek Jeter was a terrible defender lol
@Versatile Wolf you can’t deny facts lol Derek Jeter is one of my favorite players ever but he wasn’t a good defender
@@TheWarmUpNBA What are these facts that you speak of? I bet you don’t know and/or can’t explain them.
Lol Jeter just played the game the right way and won in a big market
All I know is Baseball Bits is gonna have to breakdown whether Correa is right or not
That cut off play was the single greatest sports play I have ever seen in my life!
Bo Jackson running up the wall was better
Facts
3 things to chew on.
1. The throw from right field was spot on, so did the Jeter flip do anything?
2. What’s the shortstop doing so far out of position during that play?
3. If Giambi slides he’s safe and no one remembers that play.
I see more impressive plays from a rookie
The eye test is really dumb and really bad. The best SS make tough plays look easy. And you dont see where the SS starts on TV and I guarantee you that you didnt watch every play from Jeters career.
You did?
@@michaeltroy2587 Obvoiusly not but I understand how metrics work and I saw glimpes of other angles of his "highlight plays". Just look up the film for that play his jump was terrible.
Defensive Runs Saved (DFS) is literally the eye test of some stat recorder that nobody can evaluate for accuracy because we don't have video that shows the entire field for the entire game to go back and evaluate their performance. Then people take is as gospel and say "the eye test doesn't compare to real statistics! you can't argue with what the numbers say!" LMAO
@@jeffgr7657 Bro stop talking. You have 0 clue how these stats were created or measured
This is the worst take ever by a player and a commentator.
It’s true tho. Derek Jeter is actually the worst defensive player in the history of the MLB. Think of the worst player you’ve ever seen play defense, well Jeter was even worse
@@Angel-ox2cx that's assuming DRS isn't the worst statistic in the history of the MLB ... unfortunately, it is the worst
Data isn't everything Hembo. If it was, QB's like Kirk Cousins would be in the MVP conversation, but because he actually sucks and just stat pads, it will make him look great on data, but he fails the eye test. 🤦
Thank you for saying this. The eye test means a whole lot. The nerve of a cheating player from a cheating team smh.
@@michaelben6704 What do you expect from trashcan bangers. 🤷🤣👍
@@MafiaboysWorld Right! Lol!
What data suggest Kirk would be a MVP candidate? Hembo at least had numbers your just saying it
@@ironikroyalty2278 Go look at his passing yards and his TD-INT ratio this season, then look at the fact we're 5-5. 🤷
5X World Series champion. Yeah he really was a detriment to the Yankees. Haters gonna hate
Bottom line: People will go to great lengths to manufacture hate for the sole purpose of showing everyone they are somehow the smartest person in the room, despite the fact it only confirms how dumb they actually are to believe it would work. You can shape a statistic and bend data to justify any argument you want to make. It still doesn't guarantee that the argument reflects reality. I watched Derek Jeter from rookie to retirement. You don't have to be a fan boy to know he was skilled at his position. Derek's a better person than I am, because I wasted my time responding to this ridiculousness from a player on a team who felt they needed to cheat to win a World Series, even though they already had the talent to win it clean. _The foolishness..._
This is the single best comment I’ve seen on these idiotic Jeter-hating videos. Thank you.
4:04 uhh the Yankees did not win a championship in 2001
And Carlos Correa doesn't deserve his WS ring
Be humble don’t let the smoke go up to your head
Yankees fans don't want him
Good cubs will happily take him have fun not winning a word series
@@chicago1952 they will get back before y’all do
I agree with Carlos, Jeter to me is over overrated baseball player... but I'm a Red Sox fan what do I know!
Nothing obviously to agree with a cheater
So why even comment on this that has nothing to do with the red Sox lol
If derek Jeter is overrated, I guess so is David Ortiz
If Jeter’s 5 golden gloves were undeserved than Correa winning the 2017 was most definitely undeserved
thats a true statement
If you want to go down that route then the 2009 Yankees World Series title is undeserved because if it wasn’t for Arod taking steroids the Yankees would have never won that World Series. Arod carried that team in the postseason.
this coming from a cheater. u see when a cheater accomplish something they think they the best. they would say “i’m better i do more” but in reality they win cause they cheat period
You don’t get the Golden glove for being a winner
Yankees fans are the biggest spoiled cry-baby fans ever. These numbers don't lie. If he was on any other team he wouldn't have won squat. This is not a Pont that can be argued
The numbers don't lie sure I bet you that that guy never played baseball in his life what was undeserved Carlos 1 ring
One question is it possible how beloved he was influenced the belief he was a great shortstop? Sometimes people are affected by group thought because fear takes precedent to think on your own. We see it in politics, sports, and entertainment.
Listen to Greeny Beloved, and Popular equates to a good player in his eyes.
A couple things make him look like a good defender.
1. He's a Yankee, his highlights will be more seen than other's
2. His bad defence is mostly due to poor range. Poor range cannot be as easily seen as a poor glove, his career fielding percentage is nearly identical to Ozzie smith, who's probably the best defensive shortstop ever, why? Because Jeter had a good glove i.e. he could make the plays that he could get to, but he could not get to many plays relative to most shortstops.
3. He was needlessly flashy, no one else does the jump throws because it doesn't help, people just see Jeter doing something that no one else does and they attribute that as something good
Is it possible that the people who hate him and the Yankees overstate how overrated he is?
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew depends on what they say, statistically, he's a roughly average hall of famer, so if someone says he sucks then yeah they're overstating it
@@SirTylerGolf he’s a better than average HOF. He is 6th all time in hits from a historically weak hitting position. Haters gon’ hate.
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew of course he was a great hitter but singles are literally the only baseball stat that Jeter excels at
Nomar was robbed!
Facts
Of what?
Jeter defense did not hurt the Yankees like gleyber defense did. Andrelton is a better defender than Jeter do you want him over Derek? Stop with this nonsense
People always gonna hate on the Yankees it’s okay
Factz.
Local jock mad that nerd used math to make his hero look like a joke
Young data killing baseball
Correa was right. Jeter had terrible range.
He won 5 in 20 years. Not like he was 20 for 20.
Correa doesn't know what he's talking about
Lmao this coming from Carlos Correa 😂
Derek was bad defensively. Why they can't acept that! He was bad, bad.
He's right do 🤣🤣🤣
Golden Gloves awards are for defense
Yes, and Jeter was atrocious and didn't deserve them.
It doesn’t matter if he’s “beloved”, his defense statistics were abysmal
@Versatile Wolf It’s facts 🤷🏾♂️
Define DRS and show me the videos where he and he alone cost his team runs. Thanks.
That guy was smoking crack
No he’s not, great player, couldn’t play defense
Carlos Correa never earned his ring
So What’s Correa’s excuse?
The same way Correa did’nt deserve that ring😩
Maybe a more accurate statements is that Derek Jeter was not the most consistent defensive shortstop, compared to other top tier defensive shortstops.
Nope, they got it right. Jeter was the worst defender in MLB history
No, not even close to being accurate. He was a terrible shortstop.
@@Angel-ox2cx You have to be a moron to say something that ignorant. You don’t win 5 championships with “the worst defender of all time” up the middle. The worst part is that you are parroting something that you don’t understand. Sad.
I’ve gone through his DRS and UZR season by season, he deserved it one of the years he got it, that year he was +12. However one time he had the most war of all position players (1999) but could’ve had a 10 war season if not for his horrible defense at SS. Jeter has one GG caliber year and like 4 more years where he’s not costing his team runs defensively, and everything other year he’s hurting his team playing short.
So you watched every game and saw where he and he alone cost his team a run?
I really thought Derek Jeter won more than 5
the fact that this is really a topic is crazy
Its true tho
The truth can be crazy
Carlos Correa is just butthurt bcuz of what Jeter said.
Jeter is a "Biracial Angel"!
The guy on the left is so on point, nerds taking over baseball…this hembo guy and his data cannot account for Jeter’s clutch play and leadership. 🙄
That also doesn't factor in winning a Golden Glove.
Hating on Derek Jeter is like saying America is the worst country in human history. It defies logic and you’ll never win over the people too stupid to believe it.
What is this guy on
Espn has these people saying anything to get ratings. I see why espn is a dying company and baseball is a dying sport
The Diamond baseball has a great video on this.
Is this Dan Patrick's show with Italians???
Based on the balding guys logic. MJ was a great 3pt shooter and by that Measure despite not hitting more than 24 home runs in a season, Jeter’s the greatest power hitter. Let’s ignore the numbers. Mike once made 6 threes in a game, who cares that over his career he shot 33%, pshh numbers? Idiot. Lol
He never wanted to go to New York any way
People who never play the sport talking s*** about a legend. This is why nerds should stay out of sports..
Baseball is probably the most translatable sport to numbers there is, unlike basketball. Anyways even with the eye test jeter severely lacked lateral quickness to make any type of rangy plays and his above average arm turned those plays that most would make look routine into the “highlight reel”moments that they showed on sportscenter. Jeter would’ve been a fine 3rd baseman and should’ve let Arod who was 1000x better as a shortstop take that position. Jeter mayve even been a positive defender at that position but instead his ego cost him.