He's not overrated because he played in NY, he's overrated because he had a -152 DRS, hes the worst defensive player in modern baseball history statistically.
That stat means nothing. It also doesn’t account for the first six years of his career, when he would go to the second base side of the bag to make plays. You fools believe whatever you’re told by “experts”.
Jeter kind of reminds me of Brady in the sense that both weren't the best athletically or dominated in stats. Both just understood that leadership was really important and winning was everything.
Dude has the six most hits in MLB History you can stop the conversation right there. But you add 5 rings, a lifetime .310 batting average (309 in the full season he played in the playoffs) 5 gold gloves. ROTY World Series MVP all the iconic moments. And to do it for 20 years in NY with no scandal during the steroid era. Just stop it he is a HOF no doubt.
@@jackcorrigan3273 his class? Like passing herpes around? lol like sneaking women out of his hotel through the back door and have gift baskets waiting for them including an autographed baseball? That kinda class? Jesus lol
D Trayer Jr. 1. Most adults actually have herpes if you ever had a cold sore in your life you have herpes. 2. Most famous people sneak in and out of hotels for privacy reasons and it’s fair to assume they sneak company in and out as well. 3. It’s a rumor never confirmed. And honestly if the worst thing you can think of about a person is that after he had sex with someone he got them a car service home and there was a gift basket waiting for them that’s really not that bad.
Calling Derek Jeter overrated is just dumb. The Yankees became the Yankees because of Jeter. He was always in the middle. Statistics don't measure half of what Derek Jeter was. He would been the focal point of a highly successful team no matter where he played. He was that good. Anyone who says he was overrated just doesn't know baseball.
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew he was only good on offense. He was terrible defense. He’s like one of the worst defensive players of all time. I guess he got youfooled too.
@@isaiahford5951 He didn’t have me fooled. The anti-Yankee stat needs have YOU fooled. DRS is a stupid, meaningless stat that doesn’t even capture the first six years of Jeter’s career. Are you like 19 years old?
I am a Derek Jeter fan boy. He's my 2nd favorite athlete of all time, behind Hakeem Olajuwon. I cried when he hit his walk off RBI during his last game a Yankees Stadium. He is a childhood hero and was a great HOF player. However depending on what you are talking about, he could be considered to be overrated. He was never great defensively, especially in his older age and while he was great contact hitter, there are other SS who were also better at the plate. I love the man and have memorabilia hanging in my house for him, but yes at times the media did overrate him.
He's not overrated because he played in NY, he's overrated because he had a -152 DRS, hes the worst defensive player in modern baseball history statistically.
@@brentw0681so jeter is overrated because he was allegedly a bad fielder but Ortiz isn’t overrated despite taking steroids and not even being able to play the easiest position on the field, 1B? GTFOOH
omar vizquel the greatest fielding shortstop i ever seen. the sanctimonious BBWAA seem to concentrate on offensive numbers. they forget baseball is a two way sport.
I’m a Mets fan so I at least feel that I’m impartial. Jeter was amazingly clutch in big games, especially post season. He’s a first ballot HOF BECAUSE of what he did for two decades in NY!
Derek Jeter 6 all time and hits that's the history of all baseball how is the overrated when he was like 38 years old he batted like 330 and almost won an MVP
Think Jeter’s overrated? Let me run you through some stats... Overall Career: Career BA: .310 Hits: 3,465 (6th all time) Runs: 1,923 (10th all time) AB: 11,195 (7th all time) Mult-hit games: 1,013 (4th all time) Postseason hits: 200 (1st all time) OBP: .377 (1st all time for SS) All-star: 14 Golden gloves: 5 Silver slugger: 5 # of seasons batting .300: 14 # of seasons w/ 200 hits: 8 # of season led MLB in hits: 2 # of seasons in top 10 MVP votes: 9 # of seasons in top 5 of MVP votes: 4 Postseason: AVG: .308 World Series AVG: .321 Games played: 158 (1st all time) At bats: 650 (1st all time) Runs: 111 (1st all time) Hits: 200 (1st all time) Tots bases: 302 (1st all time) Singles: 143 (1st all time, 72 more than #2) Doubles 32: (1st all time) Triples: 5 (1st all time) Home runs: 20 (3rd all time) RBIs: 61 (4th all time) BBs: 66 (5th all time) Stolen bases: 18 (6th all time) 1 of 2 players in MLB history to have hits in 92 out of 100 consecutive games Only player in MLB history to have 11 seasons batting over .300 and double digit HRs and steals In 20 seasons in the MLB, only played in 1 game in which the Yankees were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs Debate is over before it started!
Throwing 5 Golden Gloves on there that's seasons combined for a dWAR of -1.8 and -12 Rtot is pretty silly. The argument isn't that he's not good, he's an outstanding batter, but that he's overrated. His career dWAR of -9.4 overlooked when we talk about his legacy.
@@sportsfaniguess154 so blame the idiots giving out awards who don't know how stats worked back then. He didn't give himself the awards other people watched film (because this was before a lot of advanced defensive stats were common) and said that is the best defensive SS in baseball. Where they right hell no but we can't hold other people's stupidity against him in terms of accomplishments. what is he supposed to do look at advanced stats years later and return his GG awards at that point you might as well have every MVP and CY Young winner for about a 10 year period give their awards back too because of steroids.
@ABC55 DFIHJ what are you talking about? At least spell right , but no there is no way of measuring how many clutch moments a player has had. You have to watch the sport you can’t just read numbers and judge players off of that.
He is overrated by Yankees fans, but he's been called overrated by every other fan base since he was a rookie. He got a lot of attention because he was in the playoffs for his entire career, but anyone who gets to be top ten all-time in several categories deserves to get the attention.
“If he was in Kansas City, he’d be a slightly better hitting Omar Vizquel.” *WRONG!!!* He was a wayyyyyy better hitter than Omar Vizquel. How many times did Omar Vizquel bat .300 (once) or have 200 hits (zero)? Derek Jeter batted .300 *TWELVE* times and had 200 hits *EIGHT* times. Remember, McLovin’ is the same guy who called Joe Montana and Tom Brady “system quarterbacks.”
Yeah the slightly better hitter part was off. But seriously please go take an honest look at George Brett's numbers vs Derek Jeter's, they had almost identical careers. How often do people talk about George Brett? Far, far less often than Jeter
@@SirTylerGolf - That’s because George Brett played for the Royals not the Yankees. 🤷🏻♂️ If he had played for the Yankees for his entire career, many Yankees fans would claim that he’s the greatest third baseman of all time. 🤷🏻♂️🙄🤦🏻♂️
The whole, if Jeter played in Kansas City he'd be is just plain asinine. Great is great no matter where you play. Wearing the Pinstripes is not what made him great, he was great and also happened to be a Yankee. Was he more famous because of it, absolutely, however, his numbers speak for themselves. For every person who believes his numbers suffer from inflation because he was a Yankee I say there are people, like McLovin, who deflate the value of his numbers because he was a Yankee. You don't see anyone diminishing the accomplishments of George Brett or Paul Molitor or Robin Yount or Cal Ripken or Barry Larkin and the like and THEY all played in small markets and I'd argue that Jeter had a better career than all of them. The only accomplishment they had over Jeter was an MVP but it was kind of hard for any player who wasn't a power-hitter to get enough votes during Jeter's prime. You take away all the guys that were linked to steroids and I guarantee Jeter would have gotten at least one. Some of these so-called, educated baseball fans seemingly suffer from an idiotic reverse-bias. But don't take my word for it, Jason Stark has so painstakingly done the work for me in this column(written back when Jeter played his last games) that you can read here: www.espn.com/blog/jayson-stark/post/_/id/952/ten-astounding-derek-jeter-numbers And if those numbers don't enlighten you all I can say is that your envy, jealousy, ego and/or stupidity has blinded you. Jeter wasn't the greatest baseball player who ever lived but he certainly wasn't overrated either . . .
@@BillyandtheCloneasaurus he did his job well...he carried himself as a sophisticated young man who played a key role in the success of those great Yankees teams...A Rod was fabulous no doubt and I want him to enter the Hall of fame..those teams were loaded with outstanding players..peace
Dude was the Captain on the 2004 Chokers…I mean Yankees…Jeter was not the MVP of the 1996 or 1998 WS Yankee teams. So you could say he led the Yankees to 3 World Series…not 5. It made the Yankees worse putting A-Rod at 3B instead of SS
Semantics. If this or that, here or there. Stop the non sense. He played in NY where Dan said himself is hard to play in NY. You can’t have it both ways.
@@javiersp15 He's overrated if you consider him one of the greatest shortstops ever. He's a HOFer because he was a good hitter, 3000 hits, he's in. At best, mediocre defensively.
He's got more hits than Cal ripken his lifetime average is higher than Cal ripken when he was in the playoffs he had 300 when it really counts he was always over 300 his whole career I don't know why people hate Derek eater so much look at his numbers all they do is talk crap he finished second like two or three times in MVP voting the one year he should have won it but they gave it to Minnesota the first baseman I don't get it he was MVP and All-Star game MVP in the world series when he played against the best he was better than anybody so how is he overrated you guys I don't get it you must be Mets fans
Jeter was great, but HELL YES he was overrated. Case in point: Jeter hits walk off just past midnight on November 1st in the 2001 WS. All off a sudden he is now "Mr. November." The Yankees lost the Series, Jeter wasn't the MVP, he didn't have the most clutch hit of that series or even in the month of November, but he is to this day "Mr. November." Reggie Jackson absolutely raked in 5 World Series including 4 consecutive home runs to get "Mr. October." Jeter 1 walk off in what was ultimately a losing effort, "Mr. November."
yes he would the guy has a career OBP of 377 the question today is would he be a SS today and he probably wouldn't given the defense so he probably plays 2B where the range doesn't hurt him as much (see Glayber Torres on the Yankees now horrible at SS above average at 2B). Now if you take his career OBP of 377 and compare it to every current MLB second baseman Jeter would rank... checks notes... Oh first in the league. And before you cry about slugging if he played today he would have the same advanced analytics and training as players have today and would likely have a different approach that allowed for more power and he would hit 280 instead of his 310 career batting average.
Overrated i don't know but I know his defensive rating drs is - 162 and a good player is +15-20 good not hall of famer. Adrian beltre has a + 202 is he a first ballot hall of famer
That so many people even need to talk about this is a bad sing. Nobody second guesses great players. And don’t forget he was voted most overrated by his peers.
@@paulpiazza3748 True, but Jeter was still a horrendous shortstop. It’s like saying Bill Russell is better than Wilt Chamberlain because he won more, but Bill Russell was actually good at playing defense.
@@sportsfaniguess154 did you watch him play? Not Ozzie Smith but certainly not horrendous. He was a sure handed fielder. Great range? No. Clutch fielder? Yes. Look at the flip play. Look at the head first dive into the standing. Want a bad fielder? How about Reggie Jackson? How about Rickey Henderson? Edgar Martinez? Nobody diminishes their greatness.
Sorry to break it to you , but I knew that already. Hate to break it to u, but the Yankees benefited from it more. Giambi admitted to it and his players. No sport has taught our generations more negativity in mlb. Even some of my favorite players are HOF but I think they were juiced as well. I agree all sports is corrupt. Baseball just corrupt more.
Giambi didn't win a ws with the yankees... only roid guys they had was Clemens and petitte. And both were popped for that while on the astros not the yankees.
@@_____0__ Trout? Mike Trout, you mean the guy who has played in 3 whole playoff games in his career? Are you comparing him to a man who never had a losing season and won 5 World Series? Really? That is another level of stupidity.
@@sportsfaniguess154 I was pointing out that jeter has elevated stats, "clutch" in the playoffs, sometimes trout, arod and bonds didn't have. Playoffs has better talent where trout under performs and jeter exceeded. We all know now that media are special interest promoters and not truth tellers.
I don't think you can overestimate the value that a person, not just a player, but a person like Jeter brings to his club. Say what you want about his fielding or his power or anything else, taken as a whole, Jeter is worthy of every accolade he's received. It's a dumb question...and I don't even like the Yankees, but I love baseball.
No, he not. He is the most overrated player in the modern era. Partly because he played in NYC. He won 5 rings, 4 in the first five years, and then 1 the rest of his career, not to mention 2009 vs Boston. He is a long-term average player. He isn't even a great player in my opinion.
@ABC55 DFIHJ RIght, but he is not a great player. He played a long time and won 5 titles, 4 of them with the Yankees teams of the 90s and 1 post that period. If you played for a long time you acquired more and higher stats. It is not a single factor, but he is supposed to be the captain, the wins he gets credit for and he takes the blame for the losses.
@ABC55 DFIHJ You are using one or two stat to justified your argument. Jeter played for a long time does not mean he is a great player. Yes, someone can player shorter than be a great player. Jeter is a long-term good/average player for most of his career. Clearly, nothing I am saying you are taking into account. Your opinion is already back up and you are cherry-picking your stats in order to prove your point.
@ABC55 DFIHJ Jeter won one title post-2000, after those 90s Yankees teams. 2009, so does that mean he was a great player? Nope. He played a long time, like 20 seasons, for the same team, and was average/above average during that span never did he reach being a great player. He is super popular and probably is a player who you remember the best at his position.
No he is one of the greats of all time.. Face of Baseball.. Clutch AF. 3,000 hits, defense waaaaay better than the geeks pretend it was.. 5 Rings baby.. Superstar..
@@paulpiazza3748 HE WAS A BETTER FIELDER. That was the only thing he compared. Nothing else. He compared they defense. Not offense not accolades. None of that.
King Me no it’s actually factually correct. His dWAR is atrocious and his DRS is the worst in baseball history. Second is prince fielder ( a guy who was 300 pounds and ate a dude’s nachos during a game). And this is jeter playing shortstop, where you are supposed to be the best defensive player on the field. Is Derek jeter a hall of famer? Absolutely. One of the best offensive SS of all time, made a lot of clutch plays. But he is not upper echelon HOF or undisputed, first ballot like people make him out to be. Reason being is that his defense wasn’t just below average, rather it was flat out atrocious and embarrassing
@@110Tennisstar His 5 gold gloves tell a different story kid. Go try and lecture someone else who don’t watch baseball. I’m not taking someone serious that use words like “atrocious” and “embarrassing” trying to be all emotional
King Me those 5 gold gloves are based on outdated stats, selection bias on the good plays he did make, and the fact he was in a market like NY. Fact is, most people who actually understand and watch baseball ( not someone who just watches and get their information from ESPN) understand that jeter was garbage as a fielder. Again, he is a HOF player and one of the most clutch and best offensive SS of all time. But to say he was a good defender and ignore the metrics just means you either don’t know what you are talking about or are a die hard Yankees fan who is willing to die on a hill for their player. which I can understand but everyone else will know that you aren’t making sense by calling him a good defensive SS
@@kingme1931 go compare the defensive stats to the other players in the top 3 for gold gloves during the years Jeter won, it makes no sense that he won any of them lol
He's not overrated because he played in NY, he's overrated because he had a -152 DRS, hes the worst defensive player in modern baseball history statistically.
He’s greatly overrated. Faux baseball fans, like you, are the reason he is overrated.
That stat is made up and didn’t start until Jeter’s 8th year in the league. A SS can’t “give up” a run.
That stat means nothing. It also doesn’t account for the first six years of his career, when he would go to the second base side of the bag to make plays. You fools believe whatever you’re told by “experts”.
Jeter kind of reminds me of Brady in the sense that both weren't the best athletically or dominated in stats. Both just understood that leadership was really important and winning was everything.
Dude has the six most hits in MLB History you can stop the conversation right there. But you add 5 rings, a lifetime .310 batting average (309 in the full season he played in the playoffs) 5 gold gloves. ROTY World Series MVP all the iconic moments. And to do it for 20 years in NY with no scandal during the steroid era. Just stop it he is a HOF no doubt.
Gold Gloves have always been a popularity contest, he had the worst defensive runs saved in modern baseball history....
Really pathetic segment, everybody loves him because of his class and great personality. Nobody compares him to the GOATs of the game.
@@jackcorrigan3273 his class? Like passing herpes around? lol like sneaking women out of his hotel through the back door and have gift baskets waiting for them including an autographed baseball? That kinda class? Jesus lol
D Trayer Jr. 1. Most adults actually have herpes if you ever had a cold sore in your life you have herpes. 2. Most famous people sneak in and out of hotels for privacy reasons and it’s fair to assume they sneak company in and out as well. 3. It’s a rumor never confirmed.
And honestly if the worst thing you can think of about a person is that after he had sex with someone he got them a car service home and there was a gift basket waiting for them that’s really not that bad.
@@CourtneyB1109 so you're paid for sex? That's the only way you can not find that disgusting
Calling Derek Jeter overrated is just dumb. The Yankees became the Yankees because of Jeter. He was always in the middle. Statistics don't measure half of what Derek Jeter was. He would been the focal point of a highly successful team no matter where he played. He was that good. Anyone who says he was overrated just doesn't know baseball.
thanks for backing up your case with zero facts, and just puyre emotion, Pauly P. Change your tampon and let the men discuss men things
@@JT-xp3inCan you explain what Paul Piazza got wrong?
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew shut your piehole, nancy boy
@@TheGodYouWishYouKnew he was only good on offense. He was terrible defense. He’s like one of the worst defensive players of all time. I guess he got youfooled too.
@@isaiahford5951 He didn’t have me fooled. The anti-Yankee stat needs have YOU fooled. DRS is a stupid, meaningless stat that doesn’t even capture the first six years of Jeter’s career. Are you like 19 years old?
I am a Derek Jeter fan boy. He's my 2nd favorite athlete of all time, behind Hakeem Olajuwon. I cried when he hit his walk off RBI during his last game a Yankees Stadium. He is a childhood hero and was a great HOF player. However depending on what you are talking about, he could be considered to be overrated. He was never great defensively, especially in his older age and while he was great contact hitter, there are other SS who were also better at the plate. I love the man and have memorabilia hanging in my house for him, but yes at times the media did overrate him.
The media never overrated him stop giving into these clowns. He’s the textbook definition of clutch.
He's not overrated because he played in NY, he's overrated because he had a -152 DRS, hes the worst defensive player in modern baseball history statistically.
david ortiz had much better playoff stats and clutch performances just saying. not saying hes not great.
@@brentw0681so jeter is overrated because he was allegedly a bad fielder but Ortiz isn’t overrated despite taking steroids and not even being able to play the easiest position on the field, 1B? GTFOOH
omar vizquel the greatest fielding shortstop i ever seen. the sanctimonious BBWAA seem to concentrate on offensive numbers. they forget baseball is a two way sport.
One of the many reasons I do not care about the HOF
Then David Ortiz should not be in the HOF.
I’m a Mets fan so I at least feel that I’m impartial. Jeter was amazingly clutch in big games, especially post season. He’s a first ballot HOF BECAUSE of what he did for two decades in NY!
Derek Jeter 6 all time and hits that's the history of all baseball how is the overrated when he was like 38 years old he batted like 330 and almost won an MVP
Think Jeter’s overrated? Let me run you through some stats...
Overall Career:
Career BA: .310
Hits: 3,465 (6th all time)
Runs: 1,923 (10th all time)
AB: 11,195 (7th all time)
Mult-hit games: 1,013 (4th all time)
Postseason hits: 200 (1st all time)
OBP: .377 (1st all time for SS)
All-star: 14
Golden gloves: 5
Silver slugger: 5
# of seasons batting .300: 14
# of seasons w/ 200 hits: 8
# of season led MLB in hits: 2
# of seasons in top 10 MVP votes: 9
# of seasons in top 5 of MVP votes: 4
Postseason:
AVG: .308
World Series AVG: .321
Games played: 158 (1st all time)
At bats: 650 (1st all time)
Runs: 111 (1st all time)
Hits: 200 (1st all time)
Tots bases: 302 (1st all time)
Singles: 143 (1st all time, 72 more than #2)
Doubles 32: (1st all time)
Triples: 5 (1st all time)
Home runs: 20 (3rd all time)
RBIs: 61 (4th all time)
BBs: 66 (5th all time)
Stolen bases: 18 (6th all time)
1 of 2 players in MLB history to have hits in 92 out of 100 consecutive games
Only player in MLB history to have 11 seasons batting over .300 and double digit HRs and steals
In 20 seasons in the MLB, only played in 1 game in which the Yankees were mathematically eliminated from the playoffs
Debate is over before it started!
Throwing 5 Golden Gloves on there that's seasons combined for a dWAR of -1.8 and -12 Rtot is pretty silly. The argument isn't that he's not good, he's an outstanding batter, but that he's overrated. His career dWAR of -9.4 overlooked when we talk about his legacy.
5 gold gloves for the worst defensive SS of all time, possibly the worst defender.
not a very good defender, but still a very very good hitter.
@@sportsfaniguess154 so blame the idiots giving out awards who don't know how stats worked back then. He didn't give himself the awards other people watched film (because this was before a lot of advanced defensive stats were common) and said that is the best defensive SS in baseball. Where they right hell no but we can't hold other people's stupidity against him in terms of accomplishments. what is he supposed to do look at advanced stats years later and return his GG awards at that point you might as well have every MVP and CY Young winner for about a 10 year period give their awards back too because of steroids.
Nearly 2000 K’s
Over 3400 career hits, .310 career batting average, 5 silver sluggers, five gold gloves, 2 AL Hank Aaron Awards.
Yeah he's overrated!
He didn’t deserve any of those gold gloves. He is one of if not, the worst defensive shortstop, and defense matters more than offense as a shortstop.
Short porch? How about the Stat inflating green monster
The green monster also takes away homeruns
@GayJew it also turns high pop outs into homeruns
@@danielrn6845 there’s no stat that counts clutch moments. If your not from New York I don’t think you’d get it he’s a warrior.
@ABC55 DFIHJ there’s stats for everything dude, but that’s like the most inaccurate stat there is.
@ABC55 DFIHJ what are you talking about? At least spell right , but no there is no way of measuring how many clutch moments a player has had. You have to watch the sport you can’t just read numbers and judge players off of that.
Cal Ripken could actually play defense.
He is overrated by Yankees fans, but he's been called overrated by every other fan base since he was a rookie. He got a lot of attention because he was in the playoffs for his entire career, but anyone who gets to be top ten all-time in several categories deserves to get the attention.
The best baseball player and leader I have seen in 55 years watching baseball.
@@paulpiazza3748 Get real😂😂 He was a great offensive shortstop but horrible defensively. Wasn't even the best shortstop on his team ffs😂
“If he was in Kansas City, he’d be a slightly better hitting Omar Vizquel.” *WRONG!!!* He was a wayyyyyy better hitter than Omar Vizquel. How many times did Omar Vizquel bat .300 (once) or have 200 hits (zero)? Derek Jeter batted .300 *TWELVE* times and had 200 hits *EIGHT* times. Remember, McLovin’ is the same guy who called Joe Montana and Tom Brady “system quarterbacks.”
Yeah the slightly better hitter part was off. But seriously please go take an honest look at George Brett's numbers vs Derek Jeter's, they had almost identical careers. How often do people talk about George Brett? Far, far less often than Jeter
@@SirTylerGolf - That’s because George Brett played for the Royals not the Yankees. 🤷🏻♂️ If he had played for the Yankees for his entire career, many Yankees fans would claim that he’s the greatest third baseman of all time. 🤷🏻♂️🙄🤦🏻♂️
@@johnbrowntheprophet yeah I know that, that's why I said it
The whole, if Jeter played in Kansas City he'd be is just plain asinine. Great is great no matter where you play. Wearing the Pinstripes is not what made him great, he was great and also happened to be a Yankee. Was he more famous because of it, absolutely, however, his numbers speak for themselves. For every person who believes his numbers suffer from inflation because he was a Yankee I say there are people, like McLovin, who deflate the value of his numbers because he was a Yankee. You don't see anyone diminishing the accomplishments of George Brett or Paul Molitor or Robin Yount or Cal Ripken or Barry Larkin and the like and THEY all played in small markets and I'd argue that Jeter had a better career than all of them. The only accomplishment they had over Jeter was an MVP but it was kind of hard for any player who wasn't a power-hitter to get enough votes during Jeter's prime. You take away all the guys that were linked to steroids and I guarantee Jeter would have gotten at least one. Some of these so-called, educated baseball fans seemingly suffer from an idiotic reverse-bias. But don't take my word for it, Jason Stark has so painstakingly done the work for me in this column(written back when Jeter played his last games) that you can read here:
www.espn.com/blog/jayson-stark/post/_/id/952/ten-astounding-derek-jeter-numbers
And if those numbers don't enlighten you all I can say is that your envy, jealousy, ego and/or stupidity has blinded you. Jeter wasn't the greatest baseball player who ever lived but he certainly wasn't overrated either . . .
Well said
Great player..he did his job well...peace
@@BillyandtheCloneasaurus he did his job well...he carried himself as a sophisticated young man who played a key role in the success of those great Yankees teams...A Rod was fabulous no doubt and I want him to enter the Hall of fame..those teams were loaded with outstanding players..peace
Jeter, Ripken, Ozzie, Larkin.... That's it 👍
Dude was the Captain on the 2004 Chokers…I mean Yankees…Jeter was not the MVP of the 1996 or 1998 WS Yankee teams. So you could say he led the Yankees to 3 World Series…not 5. It made the Yankees worse putting A-Rod at 3B instead of SS
Semantics. If this or that, here or there. Stop the non sense. He played in NY where Dan said himself is hard to play in NY. You can’t have it both ways.
She's six and all time hits his career average is over 300 he has more hits and postseason than anybody how's he overrated I don't understand this
Yes
Sure... 3,400 hits.
@@javiersp15 He's overrated if you consider him one of the greatest shortstops ever. He's a HOFer because he was a good hitter, 3000 hits, he's in. At best, mediocre defensively.
Mista Man worst defensive short stop in the hof
Omar > Jeter
As a player? Fuck no..
Wow, Dan, Vizquel was a better fielder than Jeter?! What a bold statement🙄🤣
He's got more hits than Cal ripken his lifetime average is higher than Cal ripken when he was in the playoffs he had 300 when it really counts he was always over 300 his whole career I don't know why people hate Derek eater so much look at his numbers all they do is talk crap he finished second like two or three times in MVP voting the one year he should have won it but they gave it to Minnesota the first baseman I don't get it he was MVP and All-Star game MVP in the world series when he played against the best he was better than anybody so how is he overrated you guys I don't get it you must be Mets fans
Salty old guys..
Jeter was great, but HELL YES he was overrated. Case in point: Jeter hits walk off just past midnight on November 1st in the 2001 WS. All off a sudden he is now "Mr. November." The Yankees lost the Series, Jeter wasn't the MVP, he didn't have the most clutch hit of that series or even in the month of November, but he is to this day "Mr. November." Reggie Jackson absolutely raked in 5 World Series including 4 consecutive home runs to get "Mr. October." Jeter 1 walk off in what was ultimately a losing effort, "Mr. November."
.321/384 in 7 world series
.343/397 in 16 ALDS
He was a postseason juggernaut
He wouldn't be a starter today
yes he would the guy has a career OBP of 377 the question today is would he be a SS today and he probably wouldn't given the defense so he probably plays 2B where the range doesn't hurt him as much (see Glayber Torres on the Yankees now horrible at SS above average at 2B). Now if you take his career OBP of 377 and compare it to every current MLB second baseman Jeter would rank... checks notes... Oh first in the league. And before you cry about slugging if he played today he would have the same advanced analytics and training as players have today and would likely have a different approach that allowed for more power and he would hit 280 instead of his 310 career batting average.
Couldn’t love this or agree more! Hall of Famer...yes. Overrated...absolutely!
It’s an embarrassment if he’s inducted unanimously
Overrated i don't know but I know his defensive rating drs is - 162 and a good player is +15-20 good not hall of famer. Adrian beltre has a + 202 is he a first ballot hall of famer
That so many people even need to talk about this is a bad sing. Nobody second guesses great players. And don’t forget he was voted most overrated by his peers.
Great player. Seems like a great guy. Overrated tho. Not his fault he played for the Yankees.
Arod aged more than Jeter and its that projection that had Arod move to 3rd
A-Rod got moved to 3rd because Jeter was the shortstop, A-Rod was better on both sides.
@@sportsfaniguess154 but A-Rod was never a winner like Jeter. Even with his peds.
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True, but Jeter was still a horrendous shortstop. It’s like saying Bill Russell is better than Wilt Chamberlain because he won more, but Bill Russell was actually good at playing defense.
@@sportsfaniguess154 did you watch him play? Not Ozzie Smith but certainly not horrendous. He was a sure handed fielder. Great range? No. Clutch fielder? Yes. Look at the flip play. Look at the head first dive into the standing. Want a bad fielder? How about Reggie Jackson? How about Rickey Henderson? Edgar Martinez? Nobody diminishes their greatness.
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He had the worst DRS of all time.
Yep overrated. Benefited from his teammates taking steroids and HGH. 3 or 4 Ws they should vacate them along with Astros.
Sorry to break it to you , but I knew that already. Hate to break it to u, but the Yankees benefited from it more. Giambi admitted to it and his players. No sport has taught our generations more negativity in mlb. Even some of my favorite players are HOF but I think they were juiced as well. I agree all sports is corrupt. Baseball just corrupt more.
Arod, trout, bonds all had below average playoffs stats, playoffs has more weight just like nba mvps. U ain't gonna win mvp if u don't make playoffs
Giambi didn't win a ws with the yankees... only roid guys they had was Clemens and petitte. And both were popped for that while on the astros not the yankees.
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Trout? Mike Trout, you mean the guy who has played in 3 whole playoff games in his career? Are you comparing him to a man who never had a losing season and won 5 World Series? Really? That is another level of stupidity.
@@sportsfaniguess154 I was pointing out that jeter has elevated stats, "clutch" in the playoffs, sometimes trout, arod and bonds didn't have. Playoffs has better talent where trout under performs and jeter exceeded. We all know now that media are special interest promoters and not truth tellers.
I don't think you can overestimate the value that a person, not just a player, but a person like Jeter brings to his club. Say what you want about his fielding or his power or anything else, taken as a whole, Jeter is worthy of every accolade he's received. It's a dumb question...and I don't even like the Yankees, but I love baseball.
No, he not. He is the most overrated player in the modern era. Partly because he played in NYC. He won 5 rings, 4 in the first five years, and then 1 the rest of his career, not to mention 2009 vs Boston. He is a long-term average player. He isn't even a great player in my opinion.
@ABC55 DFIHJ No he played for a long time. Not a great player, a good long-term player. He also had the 3-0 lead over the Red Sox which his team blew.
@ABC55 DFIHJ RIght, but he is not a great player. He played a long time and won 5 titles, 4 of them with the Yankees teams of the 90s and 1 post that period. If you played for a long time you acquired more and higher stats. It is not a single factor, but he is supposed to be the captain, the wins he gets credit for and he takes the blame for the losses.
@ABC55 DFIHJ You are using one or two stat to justified your argument. Jeter played for a long time does not mean he is a great player. Yes, someone can player shorter than be a great player. Jeter is a long-term good/average player for most of his career. Clearly, nothing I am saying you are taking into account. Your opinion is already back up and you are cherry-picking your stats in order to prove your point.
@ABC55 DFIHJ Jeter won one title post-2000, after those 90s Yankees teams. 2009, so does that mean he was a great player? Nope. He played a long time, like 20 seasons, for the same team, and was average/above average during that span never did he reach being a great player.
He is super popular and probably is a player who you remember the best at his position.
jeter is a legend! but if he's first on your all time ss list you are tripping
He was probably overrated but never overrated as a winner
You can't give one player credit for an entire team winning a championship. A championship is the result of an entire team not one player.
Derek Jeter was robbed of MVP in 2006.
Joe Mauer and Johan Santana were more valuable than Justin Morneau on the 2006 Twins. 2006 was a weak year for the AL MVP race.
@@petersonofleo11 Agreed on all of that
Last 4 games of 2004 alcs that was his leadership 🤣
5 rings was his leadership
A-Rod cursed the Yanks.. Reversed the curse..
He had the go ahead double in game 5 but the bullpen blew it. Totally on jete
5 RINGS MCLOVIN' YOU TRIPP'N
No he is one of the greats of all time.. Face of Baseball.. Clutch AF. 3,000 hits, defense waaaaay better than the geeks pretend it was.. 5 Rings baby.. Superstar..
Jeter was awful defensively.
I'm a Tigers fan I was never a fan of the Yankees or Jeter
You missed out. Poor you.
Must be a slow news day, eh boys?
Dumb, dumb, dumb!
DJ2 was an a 98% first time HOF!!
Reason?... Re2pect!
wake up!!!
99.7%, second most ever behind Mo
Yeah but you can’t deny the statistics. He was bad at defense.
how in the world did Dan Patrick compare Vizquel to Jeter defensively....woof
Because he was a better fielder 😂
@@nolimit4484 so what. Visquel never won anything. Jeter won tons.
@@paulpiazza3748 HE WAS A BETTER FIELDER. That was the only thing he compared. Nothing else. He compared they defense. Not offense not accolades. None of that.
@@nolimit4484 so was Rey Ordonez...big deal.
Sorry. If you call Jeter overated you’re just a HATER
@Jordan Hall That’s factually incorrect
King Me no it’s actually factually correct. His dWAR is atrocious and his DRS is the worst in baseball history. Second is prince fielder ( a guy who was 300 pounds and ate a dude’s nachos during a game). And this is jeter playing shortstop, where you are supposed to be the best defensive player on the field. Is Derek jeter a hall of famer? Absolutely. One of the best offensive SS of all time, made a lot of clutch plays. But he is not upper echelon HOF or undisputed, first ballot like people make him out to be. Reason being is that his defense wasn’t just below average, rather it was flat out atrocious and embarrassing
@@110Tennisstar His 5 gold gloves tell a different story kid. Go try and lecture someone else who don’t watch baseball. I’m not taking someone serious that use words like “atrocious” and “embarrassing” trying to be all emotional
King Me those 5 gold gloves are based on outdated stats, selection bias on the good plays he did make, and the fact he was in a market like NY. Fact is, most people who actually understand and watch baseball ( not someone who just watches and get their information from ESPN) understand that jeter was garbage as a fielder. Again, he is a HOF player and one of the most clutch and best offensive SS of all time. But to say he was a good defender and ignore the metrics just means you either don’t know what you are talking about or are a die hard Yankees fan who is willing to die on a hill for their player. which I can understand but everyone else will know that you aren’t making sense by calling him a good defensive SS
@@kingme1931 go compare the defensive stats to the other players in the top 3 for gold gloves during the years Jeter won, it makes no sense that he won any of them lol
Yes