Indycar legend calls F1's competition a "joke" 😳
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- Опубліковано 6 чер 2023
- Indycar legend Will Power has said that the competition within F1 is a "joke" due to the fact there is such a big difference in pace from the front to the back of the grid. Do you agree with what Will has said? Let us know in the comments.
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I really don't know...
On one hand I totally get his point and somewhat agree, but on the other it's part of F1s DNA to not only create the best drivers, but also engineers for developing a winning car.
I believe for the sake of technical development, F1s framework shouldn't be touched too much.
Agreed! It does make for boring entertainment though.
F1 is an engineering competition, spec series are driver competitions. Simple as that.
F1 is no longer even an engineering competition because they restrict what engine you can even pick. And they block innovation and aero whenever one team makes a breakthrough. (Active Suspension, DAS)
When Hamilton was for 7 years solo at front nobody complained... tsssss😂😂
Agreed but 3rd place and below is close racing. F1 doesn't suffer from wanky oval racing, speaking of boredom.
I mean that's the whole point of F1. To build a better car than everyone else.
This
Yea until the cost cap, hindering and holding back the great teams
@@YASEEN_ZAbut then you run into the issue of the series becoming so uncompetitive when one team finds out how to get around the regulations
@@harveyknguyen true but look at Williams, such a basic underfloor yet the have like the most aero wind tunnel time.
@@YASEEN_ZA yeah they don't have a wind tunnel anymore either, too expensive for them to run
The honest truth is, F1 will almost always have one dominant car
That happens in all competitions, soccer, basketball, tennis, etc.
The difference is technology in F1 plays a more important role than in other sports. In the past, technology failed more than last 2 decades so you get randomness.
The only reason Max didn’t win was because he couldn’t pass at all.
That is completely untrue having a dominant car meaning when in three championships in a row or more is a product of the last 15 years
@@user-wo9ee4rw5s what are you saying? Senna won his titles with a dominant car. The Lotus in the 60s were dominant cars.
In the past, a team could make a car and use it more than one season or introduce an evolution for the next season.
Today, it's common to have 3 or 4 evolutions during a season.
Not necessarily. In an oval, the Indy car would dominate. F1 cars would need to have DRS open the whole time and they wouldn’t be able to recharge the battery. However, in a circuit, f1 cars would easily dominate as the Indy cars don’t have the same aerodynamic load or acceleration as f1 cars
I have to admit. The Indy races are WAYYY more satisfying to watch with more action and excitement than the F1 races. And I’m a diehard F1 fan.
True
but the cars are kind of ugly. F1 cars are cool as hell but the racing is boring and the passes happens in DRS zones. Indycar definitely has the best racing.
(I'm its an opinion but) IndyCar looks just as good as f1 neither is better in my opinion also the tracks IndyCar races at like Portland just make the race feel more homey if you know what is mean .
@@charlesjohnson6910 f1 has to race in different countries because Europe is so small, you can’t have 18 races in the same country.
What action?? There's barely any overtakes, tyre strategies and the circuits are either boring on an oval, or lame on a tight street circuit.. The cars are garbage and all the drivers are has-been jealous of other motorsports..
F1 encourages engineering advancements, but then bans and regulates everything these geniuses come up with
Well said. 👍
Well, the engineers do come up with some crazy stuff and the drivers are crazy enough to take to the track with that stuff on their cars.
Do you know about the fan car? The one where it basically used suction force like in a vacuum to suck itself to the track so it could go through corners at full speed?
Yeah, let's put a blender on the back of a car where cars regularly hit each other, that's safe.
@@TeodorSpiridonnot sure if this is a question or a pretentious statement 😂
@@WhyForWhatNow Dude's not pretentious, he showed up with receipts. You're the one with the flippant statement trying to characterize the FIA in a narrow light.
@@WhyForWhatNow he made a point using an example. your reply has 0 substance.
It's not just a competition for the drivers. It's a competition for the engineers.
This.
The amount of times I’ve had to repeat this to people.
F1 is a group effort, a team sport.
@@You.Me.Dancing In Indycar you have engineers who focus more on tuning and fuel than just making best car for most money. Indycar is more of a team sport IMO you have strategy plus driver plus engineers. whereas F1 is just engineers making the best car with most money while adhering to the formula, and drivers are tertiary at best
@@cthuluhu oh really? I always thought Indy Cars were spec cars. Only watched it a hand full of times in uni, so I don’t know it well at all.
@@You.Me.DancingThey are spec cars, but they still have to figure out how to get the most out of an engine for longer periods of time than F1
If I want to watch Indy, I'd watch Indy.... but I don't 😂
Well, f1 isn't a driver's competition, it's a manufacturer's competition.
One team's domination will fuel another team's desire to overtake them, engineers will push themselves, and they are rewarded with a fully competitive or dominating car.
Full on Facts.
Yeah. I don't agree with will power here entirely - and I am an American who likes IndyCar - I think that Will Power forgot that IndyCar used to be wayyy more popular & entertaining in the 1990s back when they had multiple different chassis makers designs + different aero and multiple different engine suppliers. It was a lot more like F1, both in terms of diversity of different cars & engine makers but also in terms of speed too.
IndyCar/CART was ironically better & more successful back when it was way more like F1 in the 90s. You had Penske Chassis + Mercedes engines which dominated many races, then Penske chassis + Chevy-Ilmor engines then also Penske Chassis + Ford Cosworth engines then you had Lola Chassis + Judd engines, amd Lola chassis + Chevy-Ilmor engines, and Lola Chassis + Alfa Romeo engines, and Lola Chassis + Ford Cosworth engines, then March Chassis + Porsche engines. Then also A March chassis + Alfa Romeo engine. Then there was also Reynard Chassis + Toyota and Honda engines as well as the other engines too. Also Penske chassis + Buick engines. Also SWIFT Chassis+ Ford Engine. And more combos.
Oh and a Porsche Chassis + Porsche engine in 1987-1990. It was not very successful but still very cool to see.
IndyCar/CART was NOT always a spec series with only 1 car & 1 engine type. It was much more popular & successful (imo) when they had multiple Chassis makers (Penske, Lola, March, Reynard, Swift, Porsche and others) oh and teams would use different Chassis from the same maker. Like in 1997 there was at least 3 different types of Lola Chassis being raced together on top of all the other chassis makers. It was a diverse grid.
Then on top of that back then there was TONS of different engine makers in indycar/champcar back then like: Ford, Chevy, Mercedes, Porsche, Alfa Romeo, Buick Cadillac, Toyota, Honda, Cosworth, Judd, ILMOR, etc.
I almost liked that kind of formula more than F1 a little bit in a way because 1990s IndyCar -Champ car allowed for a very diverse and unique grid with tons of different types of chassis & different types engines leading to teams mixing & matching all sorts of combinations of the different types of chassis & engines available.
This formula produced close & competitive racing at a very cheap cost, while also being very diverse and entertaining seeing all sorts of engine & chassis combinations, but it was too complex like in F1 where it's super expensive, and sometimes very unfair advantages for teams.
I disagree with Will Power. Maybe I'm wrong but I'd prefer IndyCar to go back to it's old ways with multiple Chassis makers+ multiple Engine makers. I think this certainly would make IndyCar much more popular and at least a tiny bit more competitive with F1 in terms of popularity. F1 will probably always be popular, but I think IndyCar could make a comeback and recover from the devastating split if they did this again.
Well said
I can’t buy a Red Bull car
@@adammaxwell1849 And?
I don't want F1 to be like indy car. I want indy car to be like indy car, and f1 to be like f1. They're two separate racing series with different approaches to racing. It gives variety to the world of motorsports. I don't mind a team dominating in f1, because it stands as an amazing testament to the team as a whole.
F1 is not a joke, FIA is a joke
Good point
Finally someone said it!
THIS IS TRUE
That’s basically what he was saying in a way
Yes, it is an overpriced fabrication
"Equal engines for everyone"
- A Spanish Guy
"I don't agree with that one"
- A British guy
It was tongue in cheek. You don't get it though.
@@MrPregnant3D They are talking about engines, not aero. What's the point exactly? Only Red Bull have complained about the engines coming in 2026, and curiously only after Honda ditched them. Funny that.
@@ab8jeh Lewis also complained about Max dominance, its crying lf crymilton. Hes nothing, below averange in a mediocre car. Look at him now 😭😭😭
@@fixxa6455 Some of us have longer memories and attention spans.
@@fixxa6455bro thinks anyone can win in a slow car keep hallucinating crystapen fan 😭😭😂😂
I started watching indycar this year and it's much more entertaining than f1.
F1 is the best at technological development but it creates a very uneven field and is boring most of the time.
Boring for murrican but not for us the rest of the world who understands the team effort to produce a very special car.
Because you do not understand that it's a radically different racing Decor is a spec series every car is the same can you either have a Chevy engine or a Toyota engine for a Honda engine comparing the two racing series is extremely idiotic
You cannot disagree after watch an IndyCar race
This held up well after the Indy 500 / Monaco weekend lol
@@fornhunkleIndy 500 was crazy
Imagine a field of 20 Williams 😂
Even funnier
Underrated comment lol
Friendly reminder that Williams F1 car is still only 1 second away from the RB... Yes 1 second is a lot in F1 but c'mon it's only 1 second you won't even notice
@@DoorTechnicianRick I know it’s just they’re the WOAT in this era. Comment had to be made.
@@DoorTechnicianRick yeah, but imagine you have to watch an F1 race, what you'd prefer? 20 smoothie-to-drive RBs or 20 I-have-no-rear-grip-and-tires-are-gone Williams?
Well the thing is, Formula One was always about who could build the fastest car, and also a driver that could maximise its potential.
The very problem of Constructors' Series, is the way Formula One is famous. The compeition is forcing the cars to be faster and faster, and more famous.
There's really no solution for this if we want to keep the spirit.
(Switch drivers and cars each race🥶)
10 teams, 20 drivers and 20 rounds. The drivers switched teams every round (obv would drive for the same team twice per season). Then we would have a clear constructors and drivers champion.
@@dazig76 bruh wtf are you saying 😂
@@dazig76 That sounds all nice in theory (and you bet I would watch how that unfolds!) , but if you see how long it takes accomplished drivers to get used to a new car after switching teams, it's not at all a realistic proposal. This is the 'formula' of F1. Don't like it? Don't watch.
It was all about who could make the faster car until the FIA had friends who lost to those faster cars and now we have banned technology all in the name of "competition"
Imagine what cars would be like today if nothing ended up being banned.
@@Ixxlostinabox I get the idea of allowing innovative technology, and I actually really like it. but if we had all that, the cars would be too fast and blah blah... too sad. Actually all the innovations were small bypass loopholes so the cars wouldn't even be all that much faster.
I wish for a Formula UNLIMITED, where only Budget cap exists, but pretty much no other rules. Group C Le Mans, but with Cost cap. How great would that be?
I 100% agree with Power and it’s what I’ve been saying for a long time. F1’s philosophy of engineering first has made this monotonous racing we’re witnessing now. Just like Power said, imagine if everyone in that series had Max’s RB, how great the racing would be. I think most fans are more interested in drivers actually racing for position and wins than engineers building the best car. Who gives a crap about which car is better? Let’s see some quality racing. This is exactly why I Hope Herta doesn’t go there, unless he’s got Max’s RB he’ll never win another race again in that series. I guess most drivers in F1 are just content with being there; sad imo.
Herta is not going there since the FiA scum used technicalities so he couldn't get his super-license
Yup, F1 is not for drivers i guess.
F1 is now Netflix series, a great marketing tool for car makers and training tool for Engineers.
Sad for drivers😂
I guess murricans don't understand engineering. Us the rest of the world respect the engineering aspects of F1.
Who gives a crp about the car? You should avoid giving opinions.
@@MahendraGaadhi only a narrow minded F1 fan is going to care about who makes a better car than the quality of racing.
Tell me you know nothing about racing without telling me you know nothing about racing!
The only thing that is hard to quantify in F1 is how good each individual driver is compared to each other.
As an engineer, I actually enjoy how the engineers circumvent the rules to produce performance
💯
I know what you mean, but we don't really know what they've done to the cars since 99% of the engineering is hidden underneath, and they certainly aren't sharing this information.
@@aberamagold7509we’ve seen plenty examples of clever solutions getting banned, like DAS, and like the F-duct and things of that nature, ground effect, etc. We don’t always hear about them too easily tho ur right
But is that the reason you keep coming back to the series? Do you really understand the changes that teams make to the cars on a weekly basis to improve them? I just fail to believe that even some of the most hardcore engineering nerds really derive their enjoyment from hearing news about a new upgrade.
Would you not say that the on track battles in, say, 2021 were more exciting than watching one team dominate?
As a spectator, I do not enjoy how investors circumvent rules to buy engineers. F1 should have two different series then. A manufacturer's championship and a drivers championship that has spec car(the last years manufacturer's champion).
F1 is at its core an engineering competition. Take that away and you have another spec series. The need for innovation is also what keeps it relevant and attracts sponsors and money.
"Pinnacle of motorsport" 😂😂 bs
Anything that gets innovated is immediately banned
They banned every new innovation. Their stupid "Formula" make it so expensive, yet so hard to invent new stuff. On top of that, they Make every new team pays a lot to enter.
"Was" an engineering competition.
It stopped being that in the beginning of this century when they increased limits and regulations and for instance, forced everybody to use the same 'standard' ECU.
and views! I don't watch indy car because I realy enjoy the engineering competition. seeing cars and drivers make improvements and the shuffled power levels make a much more entertaining overall experience for me. I have a general idea of how fast each team is and how many points they could or could not get, which makes drivers doing better with worse cars even more entertaining :)
In F1, the technical leads like Newey and Brawn are also the stars. It's why RB pays Newey $10M, and he's worth it all to them.
But are you watching the race or these guys at a drawing board?
F1 is a technology and manufacturer’s competition that just so happens to be a racing series. But teams can’t close the gap anymore like they used to.
no way bro's name is actually "will power" 💀💀💀
apparently thats what his dad needed 9 months before he came along
It's a stage name like Scott Speed
Are you 5 years old?
@@nickypoundtown9568It‘s not though. Will's full name is William Steven Power and Scott's full name is Scott Andrew Speed. They are not stage names, those are actually their real names.
litteraly didnt even click till i read this 🤣🤣
F1 is all about finding the perfect harmony between a good car and an equally good driver. Sometimes the sweet spot is matched (like red bull right now). It seems boring once they dominate , but when you realise all the work and dedication that went into finding that sweet spot(the mechanics and all the engineers) , then only can you really appreciate and love the sport. Plus we all want someone to root for and indycar is already an alternative for f1 with same spec cars, so why need another such series
Well said
I disagree personally, I've always liked how unique F1 is because of this formula but just going from one era of dominance to the next is extremely boring to watch. You can predict most podiums.
The RB is just so fast on the straights that it goes beyond harmony between the car and driver...the car is flat out superior no matter who is behind the wheel. Props to the engineers of course, but results in formula 1 are much more influenced by the cars than the drivers. Most fans though will cheer on the drivers for being "better" than anyone else when really it's the car.
But Max himself needed luck to win against a superior Mercedez and even Michael couldn't win against McLaren back in the 90s when they simply made the superior car.
And verstappen wins for the 15th time
@@rowanmelville1310Ask other teams to make better cars then.
i agree with Will Power. F1 has amazing drivers but the competition itself is a joke because of unbalanced cars. thats why IndyCar > F1 easily.
You dont understand the competition and the huge fanbase of F1 is because the majority of racing fans do.
You do realize that 90% of F1 is about teams getting to build the fastest cars they can, right? And that that factor is completely removed in Indy, since they use spec cars, right???
@@Levi-tv5pdat this point then f1 isn’t racing it’s engineering
@@103racingnetwork yeah
@@Levi-tv5pdThen there shouldn't be any regulations or forced parts like a v6 hybrid.
I'm not a fan of this. I'd like Clarksons idea way better where a driver that wins goes to the back of a grid, that's how you make competition
I don't think he said this to denigrate F1. I think he's saying it as a fan.
We didn’t think that
Not a true fan and neither a bright one i guess.
I watch Indycar and damn what a nice racing they have especially on circuits and road courses.
But man, what's with those ovals
@@vincentkruithof4658 Ovals are exciting in Indycar because it can create a lot of side-by-side racing. They're going more than 220mph, racing inches from each other, and their on-board cameras show you how intense it is.
@@vincentkruithof4658- EXCITEMENT, that's what's with the ovals.
@@vincentkruithof4658watch some past and present ovals,the last fontana indycar race was some crazy side by side racing!
@@Creepingevilindycar oval races are the only good ones ever in the world, the rest are so boring and repetitive.
Will Power is saying what the problem is in F1. The engineering side of it is a fad. If you don't have high quality product, then you will not attract new fanbases. The WEC figured this out recently, and has been thriving from it, whilst NASCAR has not, and they have been struggling from it.
As a F1 fan I recently started to watch Indy and I wonder what kind of crap did I see for ages.
Indy better?
Good thanks there is Indy Car, the series for people who prefer the spec series over a constructor series. Glad both exist and glad both have their own reason to be here ❤
IndyCar for racing fans, F1 for people who want to get into blood feuds on twitter about which driver they have a weird parasocial relationship with
@@danlorett2184 Exactly! That‘s also why I follow F1 since 2008. In these days, we had to go to special forums or facebook groups to hate each other. Much easier now!
I also heard Twitter was created because of F1. Love this shit 😘
Maybe true but Indycar seems to be decided on who has the luck with the 20 yellow flags
@@isimon. so you love being one of those dickhead F1 fans? swear all y’all use “dts” as a tactic for when ANYONE says something that you think is wrong and it’s quite embarrassing tbh
@@snoopythedog3266indycar has fantastic racing.
The idea is everyone in a Red Bull, but the reality would be everyone in a Haas, Williams or an Alpha Tauri.
But it would still produce the same outcome, just with marginally slower lap times and the drivers having to really hustle the car as they’re more difficult to drive, so if anything I think it’d be better with midfield/back-marker cars. I’d love to see it personally! However, I can’t ever see it happening unfortunately because of 💰💰💰
What about the first race of the season "bahrain" with a race with a bog standard car. Like the 2022 concept car.
Everyone in a similar one for one race and then the next one the teams bring their packages and improvements
Which still wouldn't matter because all that matters is who would drive said Williams the best. I mean, even the utter disaster that the 2021 Haas was would absolutely THRASH a modern IndyCar on any road circuit.
@@Weerknuffelbeer but they thrash a modern indycar because f1 is not a spec series. Most of what makes indycar, lmp1, etc. as fast as they are today was pioneered by f1 because it is not a spec series
@@eloymartinsuarez3946 F1 would just make Red Bulls chassis concept a spec. You could have teams collaborate over the design. It would make a much better product but the big teams would never allow it.
The number one is Engineers competition, the second is driver's competition.. development is on the edge all the time.. that is my opinion eventhough i'm not RB fan..
100%. First time I watched Indy, the lead changed 7 times. Incredible racing
Agree. You never see anyone in F1 go 3-4 wide except in turn 1, lap 1. That seems to happen every race, every two to three turns in Indy.
@@JustinWoobecause you don’t ever go 3-4 wide in road course racing….
Not in F1, not in INDYCAR, not in V8 Supercars, not even in karting.
Yeah and look the table palou with inmense leadership over the second!
@@Michael-pi8ps they do in NASCAR sometimes im pretty sure, but i dont watch the road course races much besides Sonoma and COTA
I dont think having 5 people around p1 makes it exiting if it happened every race. Same with quali most people after 2-3 year dont really care anymore if there driver is p1 or p5 really
2 words: "Constructor Champion"
2 words: “Sunday drive”
@@EricBurns1 2 words: " " argh fuck it, I don't even know what you are fighting over.
2 words: Two words
@@MDE_never_dies 2 words: Dutch Anthem
2 words: Darude Sandstorm
What would be boring is having f1 the same as indy.
Its what makes em different thats appealing.
Indy is indy , f1 is f1, nascar is nascar.
As a spectator leave em be…. Accept maybe get better commentators.
No joke… NASCAR has got some great racing, but the commentators are so bad.
He’s right. I love F1 but it’s become boring. Seeing Red Bull dominate every race isn’t fun. There isn’t much competition going on. Have every driver have the same car that would make way more competitive and entertaining.
as alonso said, equal engines for all and then let the chassis and driver make the difference.
Funny he wasn’t concerned about that when he was with Ferrari, or when he was with Benetton when he had the superior Engine/tire package
@@thomasgentilella1183 lol, thats why things need to change so that all are equal status like inindy and let the drivers make the difference. i would rather watch a road race than F1 any time, thats why i dont watch nascar much either, the only reason people watch it is because of all the crashes, there are races from australia that i watch that are better than most other crap going on. i miss the trans am series of racing that was gong on wheni was younger and in those days they were actual street cars modied for the track not like todays cars that are engines in a frame with a fake plastic body that has nothing to do with real cars, pure bullshi today
Don’t think you guys understand he was joking ffs it’s clear he was joking
Then you destroy the whole DNA of F1. There would be no development, no high-tec stuff from other planets, also the normal car industry benefits from these crazy technologies that are invented for f1 cars. Only newbies to the sport would agree with this.
@@alfredh2079Tell me one thing that came from F1 and is in a normal car
Who DOESN’T enjoy watching cars going around a circuit for 2 hours in the exact same position without any of them ever passing each other?
Monaco be like:
this year has been incredibly bland, I enjoyed 2022 for the most part. I blame it on Vettel and Danny Ric, Seb had some incredible races in a tractor. 2 guys F1 really does need.
have you really been watching lately? as this statement is far from reality
Bro is not watching F1 lol
Then don't watch instead of shaming or trying to change it. It's quite toxic.
When will people understand that F1 is primarily engineers duking it out against each other using the best drivers in the world
F1 is lacking that competition but, it’s part of the f1 cycle. It always starts with a drought ( one person wins by miles). Then, 2 teams are fighting for the championship and it’s the most exciting season ever!
The cycle makes the good championship look like an amazing championship
In indicar you often have to many amazing championships in a row and slowly losing entertainment value and then it’s not enough
Yes, IndyCar is largely spec (currently, but see the CART years with mutiple chassis and engine manufacturers), but the engineering isn't centered around engines as the video says. The real engineering is around suspension setup and balance across road, street, and oval tracks. Y'all would be surprised at how much engineering is involved with ovals (asymmetric setup, weight jacker, etc.). Teams spend a ton of r&d around bespoke suspension components and reducing component friction as much as possible for specific races like the Indy 500 (reduce drag for that extra tenth of a mile).
Yup, my comment about it taking a better engineer to find seconds in Indycar than an engineer from scratch in F1 🤷🏽♂️
Still, Indycar and Dallara have accomplished what they set out to do. There are big setup changes that teams will get right and wrong on any given weekend, which keeps an engineering effort going, but since the teams are largely playing with the same parts bin, the cars are largely similar.
Just look at results for the last few seasons. There are standout talents in the sport (Power, Newgarden, Palou, etc) but there has not been utter season long domination.
The Dallara spec Indycar also seems to encourage close following. Less dirty air than even the new F1 cars. I think F1 should have a long chat with Dallara about what makes Indycars so Race-able.
Those of us who've been watching F1 for decades know that there has always been periods like this where 1 team savagely dominates. When Schumacher was with Ferrari with Ross Brawn and Jean Todt it was a case of how much he'd win by not if he'd win.
This. Then we had a couple years of alonso and a few others before we got the likes of Vettel and Hamilton. I do miss the old guard sometimes. I thoroughly believe Ross Brawn was one of, if not THE greatest team principal to have been in the sport
I watched an Indy race recently. It's like a bunch of Nascar drivers hopped into some F1-like cars and have no clue how to take a slow corner without divebombing or destroying everyone around them.
IndyCar is far superior in competition.
Especially If you’re looking for even competition. F1 is just a money competition
Yeah it wouldn’t be f1 without the engineering aspect. the whole point is you have to design and build the car you race, it’s not just an off the shelf rocket that has a different paint colour
f1 is for the fans. the fans want to see a different winner every race. also its not fair that 75 percent of the grid drives a turd of a car and theres not much they can do about it
@@jackassdude2010 cry about it, this happens. one team is better till others can upgrade, then they start to catch.
if they aren’t beating RB it’s their own fault
@@jackassdude2010
Other teams should've built better cars then.
@@Seopy with what money? Most of the payouts going to the top team to begin with
@@theguardianwolf7206
Then build better cars????
his name is awesome will-power
I bet his parents made the realization of the entertaining idea when naming him when considering their last name. 😅
@@TheEDFLegacy yeah🤣
He found it so simple to kick his nicotine addiction.
100% Agree and i cant stand why people are into F1 really i'd watch F1 more if all the Cars were Max Verstappen that would be a whole better race then the snoozefest we have now
If you want a spec series watch F2 or Indy.
I’m sure he does, that doesn’t preclude him from being allowed to have an opinion on f1
@@TheGoudaGoblin Turn your brain on, read the comment again, then try really, really hard to comprehend it, but if you're still too stupid to understand at that point, then get a 5-year-old child to explain it to you.
@@TheGoudaGoblinthat is like saying some action movie would be so much better if it had comedy in it, because I like comedies and don't care about action scenes. There's already comedy movies and action movies, same way there's spec series and manufacturer series. You don't need to make them all the same.
@@el_androi1203bad comparison
@@Bobbarker23455That was decent comparison. Now care to elaborate on why it was not a good comparison to you?
If F1 became indy, then we'd just have two indycar races. The added gameplay element of the somewhat complete engineering of the cars, differentiates the sport. RB may be dominating this year, but who is to say that this will happen next year as well? Just keep it the way things are, because people have been saying this for years.
These subsequent dominations are precisely the issue. It's insane how clear of the rest one team manages to get, for years on end, time and time again in F1. It's truly awful
Last time they stop dominating, because FIA itself intervene with the rule.
Your point ironically prove why once they dominating, it's unstoppable.
@@illbeV true true.. We haven't had dominations like we have had last decade and this ever. Except with ferrari and schumi. It's just terrible. No point showing up to watch any race.
Team Ferrari didn't help either .. when they had chances gifted it all away.
@@bruceviv2003 as a Ferrari fan, i was terribly bored in 2004. When Alonso came along the next year it felt strangely liberating. I'm tired of having these completely one-sided championships, i've been through way too many of them now, it's all so pointless
And let's be clear: standardized F1 would be WORSE than current Indycar. Frankly IndyCar has been blowing F1 out of the water for a LONG time in this regard. It's just a much better series altogether.
I don't F1 to watch a science fair. I watch F1 for racing.
Real. Indycar and super formula are better
@@saltyaphid3195 Italian F4 is a guilty pleasure of mine
It would be terrible if everyone had a red bull. It would be exactly like indycar
It's hilarious how this is suddenly an issue now that the top driver isn't British.
Tbh I'm Dutch but this has always been a problem in order to discredit elite drivers. Its just that British media and commentators are more active trying to discredit it now but hey, the same happened when I used to watch F1 in 2021 on Ziggo Sport in the Netherlands. They were discrediting Ham all the time during "Race Cafe". Its just like in Football where British media and pundits usually gain the most views and attention therefore your entire feed gets filled with that content even though it happens elsewhere and it happened back in the past as well.
What? 😂😂😂
The "best car" issue has been a thing _forever! _ Wtf does being British have to do with it?
It’s hilarious how a crystappen fan like you had to use th e ‘British bias’ card eventually
Yeah its just maxs and redbulls turn to dominate, Hamilton did for 8 years right?
@@killianvanrotterdam9111Hamilton car did for 8 years. Lmao. If it’s “got nothing to do with the car” but the “GOAT” driver, shouldn’t he still be winning?
I think the engineering aspect is equally as attractive as the competition for me in F1
Part of every weekend is about upgrades, we listen to engineers and designers as well as the drivers
Yes. Yes. Yes.
Then watch WEC, there is much more room for engineering there and not everything is banned when it gets too good
@@eggselent9814 I love WEC, and this year's Le Mans was magnificent, but I can't help but be a little bit underwhelmed by the specs of the LMH and LMdH cars (though not by the cars themselves). In terms of power and downforce, they're just not following the crazy hikes we see in road cars. Nowadays, even the base Ferrari supercar is more powerful than Ferrari's LMH (Le Mans winning) hypercar. I know that LMP1 were jewels, but it wouldn't have been difficult to be closer to their power (think +150 hp on the ICE and +150hp on the electrical systems), without having to resort to fickle engineering, especially since we've had a few big capacity engines on the grid this year. To me, that removes just a bit of magic, just think how weird it is that if Aston Martin had brought the Valkyrie to Le Mans, it would have been 400hp less powerful than the road legal version?
To be fair, that's a criticism that can be levelled to most of the current racing classes (GT3, NASCAR, Indy, maybe even WRC or F1), but the fall from LMP1 to Hypercar is bigger and harder, especially in the 2k hp electric hypercar era. There's a lot of freedom and creativity in WEC, but it doesn't have the dominating feeling of F1.
Oh, and a WEC program costs 10x less than an F1 program, and you can feel it in the engineering too.
@@ambergris5705 The problem is simply that F1 regulates its inventions way to much. We have had some genius inventions like the Double diffusor, the Blown Diffusor or DAS all banned after 1 season. These things were perfectly legal. Why kill engineering then? On the other hand the LMP1 prototypes were simply too expensive and keeping them would've ended the WEC, like the World Sportscar Championship in 1992.
The thing, that F1 has is its marketing. It has by far the best marketing of any series.
Will is right, F1 is great but when they are going to overtake a car is so easy using the DRS, so how it would be if F1 dont use the DRS anymore and use for example the P2P that Indycar use and also the draft, it would be more interesting
Damper design is also completely open in indycar and allows for more creativity than F1 which actually means the indycar damping packages are more sophisticated than F1's current setup (pre 2021 cars were more sophisticated in damper design tho)
I get it but it wouldn't be f1, it would be Indy. The engineering side is what makes the teams then the driver
If you think F1 is boring, watch INDYCAR this year. Ericsson v Palou v O’Ward v Newgarden and possibly even more title contenders.
I have watched F1 for a while and I do wish there was more variety of winners. F1 seems to go through technical cycles and the team that adapts best to the changes almost always reels the rewards. I would like to see some stock components introduced and more top end budget limitations to level the playing field. Personally I would love to see a title battle come down to the last race of the season be the norm rather than an exception.
watch f2 then
There is a reason a constructors championship exists. F1 is an engineering competition as much as it is a driving competition
Will Power is a legend and doesn't get enough credit here in Aus. People are obsessed with Ricciardo on the other hand.
Ricciardo gives me Pat Bateman vibes
Because Indycar is nothing compared to F1.
@@warrenjoubert4027 How about an Aussie win a championship then
@@Nick-mq9vz my neighbours kid won a chess tournament. Why does he not get international recognition? Because a real world champion needs to win at the highest level of the sport. A indycar champion is not a world champion, cause it's an inconsequential formulae. F1 is the highest racing goes. It's the same reason WSB is not as well followed as MotoGp. While the racing may be even better, it's not the top tier of the sport.
@@warrenjoubert4027 Why is Craig Lowndes and Shane Van Gisbergen so well known then. Your argument is redundant. Shut up and stop embarrassing yourself.
F1 is not just competition of racing ..its a competition of innovating new technology..having same car would be boring...
Imagine playing in basketball michael jordan vs michael jordan ...the player is great but it would be boring
no its like if you had michael jordan vs michael jordan with a weighted vest on.
if you had max vs lewis in the same car the season would be way more competitive
So does it market itself as the "pinnacle of motorsport" your example makes no sense. Two greats going toe to toe= more competition and a better show. 😅
No it wouldnt be the same player against the same player. It would be players with the same height, same shoes, same body. The only thing that would be different would be the skills
How much of that "tech" actually makes it to a non-hypercar? I wanna hear what actual tech made it from F1 to a road car? I'm willing to bet more tech developed for the Mercedes S-Class makes it to regular cars than F1.
Dude that’s a terrible example. MJ vs someone equally skilled would be the best 1v1 ever
One thing IndyCar doesn’t have compared to F1 is lack of engine and manufacture competition.
He's not wrong. F1 rn really feels like a joke
As Fernando Alonso said at the end of 2017:
"Equal engines, for everyone"
GP2 engine for all? :D
He would say that, because if we are being honest, he is the best driver in Formula One.
Why HP isnt everything. The red Bull don't have more HP then everyone else. Other cars actually have more HP. Red Bull has just figured out have to have the most downforce with the least amount of drag, which is why the red Bull is the fastest car
Alonso is just a sore loser. If he was in a Mercedes or a RB he would never say that.
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I agree with him saying that f1 can be boring to watch, but we must not forget f1 was created for both drivers and manufacturers
It was created for manufacturer.
@@GT1Vette Oh, sorry for the mistake
It may have been created for manufacturer, I agree with you it is now about both.
F1 is about car development first and racing second.
Definitely agree. As a spectator and fan, the season is over, we know who the winner is. There's no excitement, no legitimate rivalry on track. Just chatter off the track which gives content to racing media which is sad for the sport.
Yup, a Netflix drama content i like watching 😂
Yup, a Netflix drama content i like watching 😂
I mean hes right, but they are in f1, if thr driver want something other than they can easely switch nearly everywhere they want. But dont hate him for that guys cmon
Its a fair point, it's more than fair to say there is no competition, there's always one team dominating and there's rarely competition in that team because there is always one higher skilled No1 driver. Only thing is the competition between constructers genuinely pushes the entire car industry forward. The lack of competition in a way actually benefits us ALL 😂
How F1 gets away with being so terrible is beyond me.
Obviously you are in the minority. It’s literally the second largest spectator sport worldwide and growing.
F1 is entertaining and i watch every race but the races are subpar and can be awfully boring. Its a championship for engineers first drivers second.
It's a Netflix drama and entertainment that I like. F1 is good marketing tool for companies and training tool for Engineers.
Agreed, F1 is so predictable these days, just Verstappen in P1 all season.
And despite what this guy might say, F1 is miles ahead of indycar. Miles.
Only in speed and arguably talent, but it really is the least entertaining motorsport. Watch any other motorsport and youll see how boring f1 is
@@saltyaphid3195 I've seen other motorsports as well, none of them compare to F1 in my opinion. You may disagree and it's completely fine.
Considering an F1 car costs 20x what an IndyCar costs, it would be mighty frigging embarrassing if they weren't better now, wouldn't it????
Some series need to stay based on engineering and performance. It's a key part of motorsport history, people coming up with different ways to bend the rules and innovate. Thats how we got a 6 wheeled f1 car, an unexpected championship in 2009 from the darkhorse that was Brawn. Some of these cars are just as iconic as the drivers.
For everyone to be driving a Redbull, one first has to build a Redbull. That's F1's DNA coming into play
No
Yeah he doesnt understand f1... F1 has always been the biggest science fair if we can call It that. Some of the brightest minds develop their ideas seeking for peek performance. Yeah as a casual fan I see where It might even be boring, but as an engineering fan F1 is the pinacle of Racing in terms of technology because rules although strict are not as limiting as having a Spec car.
It's not the pinnacle. The FIA stops any real innovation each time. Instead it's just has mor emoney
It is a science fair and the thought of that is exciting, but in reality right now it is not racing. It is more like follow the leader.
@@Mr10usdadCorrect. F1 is boring. Just when they are about to use their top of the line car to go fast... they reach another curve to slow down for.
For years I've refered to it as, "Fast cars going slowly around corners".
He never said it wasn't. He was just talking about from the fan perspective. Sure maybe there are some fans who are aerodynamic engineers who really love analyzing the components of the cars, but for the vast majority of us when we're paying more attention to the midfield because the leaders are all 5+ seconds apart... yeah that isn't good racing.
F1 fans after the same team wins 5 races in a row
Teams with lots of money will of course produce a better car, so the teams with less money have a huge disadvantage. So a driver in a less performing car may never get a chance to prove his full driving/ winning abilities.
100% agree with him, Indycar is so much more competitive and interesting to watch
Indy exists for this exact reason. You want a driver battle, watch Indy.
With second class drivers.
@@twothbeavebruh what
@@twothbeavef1 fans are like the white supremacists of the racing world. Always thinking their series is better than any other
@@micahsmith9463 F1 fans genuinely believe that the only good drivers in the world are in F3 and F1.
@@napalmpuddingonsidering released F1 drivers go to Indy and they win easily... I agree.
There's even better drivers on Rallys
It's like everyone in the comments didn't watch the SHORT
Or even are aware of how dull the past 10 years have been outside a couple seasons
Yes most f1 races are not that interesting on the driver and wacher side. The main key points are strategy and car Performance. I am happy that f1 exist as most Technologie developed there gets reinvented or is used to optimes daily normal cars.
I thought that most current cars got their technology from prototypes (P1) cars. Came from ALMS, European Le Mans and now WEC.
When the coverage of a race focuses on 3-10th place while the leader casually leads every single lap easily, it does make it hard to invest 2 hrs of a weekend.
If F1 wasnt Dominated by only 4 Drivers in the PAST 20+YEARS! I would disagree. But has been nothing but a snooze fest, w/ the occasional three corner wheel to wheel a few races out of the season. The IndyCar Championship on the other hand has come down to the FINAL RACE for the past 15 sum odd years. Talk about an outstanding competitive racing series! So underrated its down right criminal!
It's only a joke if you're concerned with only the Driver's title. In reality the Constructors title is the real competition. It's a sport of engineers.
But one needs that connection with the drivers, otherwise it's Formula SAE with a bigger budget. No one (other than engineering companies looking to hire and students' parents) cares much for that.
I agree with what he’s saying, but obviously not what he’s proposing. If F1 were to become a spec series then it would cease to be F1.
So you're saying it would be an improvement?
F1 is not just about racing it's also about the construction of the cars in engineering. The competition of building the best cars just is interesting in what driver wins or is the best.
People need to know F1 is not fully about the driver, is more about the car
100% I've started getting more excited for indy over f1 with every passing weekend.
The point is, is that F1 is not a spec series. It’s not Indycar or nascar or FE
Look at WEC and F1. They’re the pinnacle of motorsport. They’re the most technologically advance motorsports in the world. It isn’t about spectators, it’s not about having entertainment.
It’s about the best teams, with the best funding , and the best drivers, building the fastest racing cars on the planet, the best advice I can give is watch F1 as a neutral fan, when you appreciate the actual ability of say Hamilton or Verstappen, and the domination, it just shows they’re the best. And I love that, think of historic moments like Gasly’s win. How good did that feel for everyone watching. That’s true motorsport.
In other motorsports Gaslys win happens all the time lmao. F1 isn't the pinnacle of motorsport, that's just branding. Its got probably easily the worst wheel to wheel racing along with car performance being the main factor.
@@Yakub943 the fact car performance is the biggest factor is the exact reason why it’s the pinnacle of motorsport.
And gaslys win was rare, exactly what made it so special, if 10 different drivers win a race in the season, that’s entertainment for sure but it’s not the best of the best.
@@Garudab It's the pinnacle of constructors, that's it. The motorsport part of F1 is a bit of a joke. Best team will always win drivers championships.
@@Yakub943 that’s the point... that’s how it should be? the pinnacle of motorsport should always have the best team win. if you are the best, you deserve to dominate... this is a billion dollar sport, there shouldn’t be things handed out
@@Garudab No the pinnacle of Motorsport should be the best driver/engineer combination. Not the team with the deepest pockets. Ferrari literally had the benefit for years of being paid more than other teams because of legacy, it’s a complete farce.
Lewis dominated because of Mercedes, Verstappen dominated because of Red Bull now. These drivers are on the same level but because of F1 we will literally only get 1 title fight between two of the best drivers of all time.
Every other Motorsport has the best team win. Indycar almost always has Penske or Chip Ganassi win. The point is it’s not so entrenched like F1 is.
I'm not down for 10th place participation ribbons.... Formula 1 is about dominance not "everybody gets a chance"
It'd be cool if, like in the NFL, there is a cap on how much you can spend to develop the car. When one team has hundreds of millions and another has less than ten percent of that, the out come is almost certain.
I guess we all miss 2010 where we had 4 drivers going head to head for the title in the last race
That was one of the rare competitive years for F1. Last year IndyCar had 7 drivers who could’ve been champion going into the final race… a NY s that’s just a typical year.
@@arwyssWelp, that's the difference between Team-Built Chassis and Engine vs Spec Cars.
A Nascar race at Talladega will have more lead changes in one race than F-1 will have in 10 seasons. Europeans don't seem to know the difference between a race and cars going fast.
Let's face it: he's right! Look at the extent to which F1 has had to become artificial to remain even remotely interesting. The majority of people are not here to see Newey vs Allison but Verstappen vs Hamilton fighting wheel to wheel every single weekend. How often has it happened this season, eh?
I agree, 2021 was only Hamilton and Verstappen, 2022 was almost only Redbull, and in 2023 it seems that the only two driver on the grid are Perez an Verstappen...
Where is the competition?
Plans should be open-sourced after a couple of years. So a team like Williams wouldn’t have the Red Bull car of today, but could at least recreate a Red Bull car from two years ago. Allows manufacturers to keep innovating to get an edge, but others are able to keep up and make it competitive.
To bring F1 costs down and make it more competitive they should drive spec 250cc shifter carts.
If I wanted to watch a spec race, I'd watch Indycar.
Easy for Will Power to say this when only Penske and Chip Gnassi drivers have won the Indycar championship in the last decade…
True but 2022 had 9 race winners, and 8 pole sitters. And most years at least 2 drivers are in contention up to the last race. Besides Ganassi and Penske run 4 cars each almost half an F1 grid.
He has a VERY valid point but he is forgetting that it is more of a manufacturer sport than just a driver sport.
F1 may not have as much wheel-to-wheel racing, but there is a certain beauty in their craft. It’s this dynamic team effort that makes or breaks a teams chances, if you have the top tier driver, but your car is slow, then you aren’t going to win. If you’ve a top tier car but a slow driver, you aren’t going to win. You have to have a top tier driver AND a top tier car to consistently win.
F1 stands for Forget 1. Once you forget there is a podium for 1st, it's competitive and alright.
No if everyone in f1 had the same car might as well be a spec series like indycar.
Neutral question for the Ham/Ves rivals out there- Would Max be closer to the redbull in the same car Lewis is driving now. If max 1 was fighting in a Mercedes v redbull with max 2 driving, just like today, would Max be closer than lewis is now. I think max would be slightly closer by 1 or 2 positions- if everything was relative- age, experience etc. I don't honestly know, i just think max might be racier in a less than car, kind of like nando.
If only the F1 teams’ budget cap was A) Equally enforced or B) Enforced period
There shouldn’t be a budget cap. It’s not just about the budget anyway. Otherwise Renault would be doing better.
The whole reason F1 exists in the first place is MANUFACTURERS fighting against eachothers for the best engineering. Not necessarily drivers against eachother. It's incomparable.
'Wouldn't it be cool if everyone had a a RB?'
Aside from the point that RB would never exist without this concept of F1.. No. It would not.
In the end the most talented guys would arise. You could see how Bottas handled that Merc 5 years ago in comparison to Hamilton. Same with Checo and Max now.
If everyone had a Red Bull, Verstappen would still lead 40+ seconds, with probably Alonso in P2.
No way would he lead 40 seconds every race.
He is just making a point that Verstappen pace is way above the rest
"In the end, the most talented guys would arise." Is that not literally the entire point he's making? Currently, it doesn't matter if you have a better driver if you're machine is mechanically slower. Evening the playing field more would allow greater driving skill expression.