Excelente trabajo. Felicitaciones. Primera vez que veo una comparación seria, completa, honesta de alguien que maneja bien ambas DAW. Tambien tengo instaladas ambas pero uso StudioOne el 90% del tiempo asi que no puedo hablar con propiedad de Live. Estaba cansado de ver reviews superficiales que no le hacen justicia a todas las opciones, ni que decir de la cantidad de personas que hacen comentarios absolutos mostrando que claramente nunca se han dado el trabajo que implica comparar dos DAW, probablemente una de las categorias de software mas complejas por la cantidad de casos de uso y perfiles de tipos de usuarios, cada uno con distintas necesidades.
Great video, thanks for the thorough rundown of feature sets. I personally use both of these DAWs, and for different purposes that you touched on in the video - ABLETON for ideation, preset hunting w/MIDI parts, translating stems from peers and common fluency between musicians I might be working with - STUDIO ONE for getting down to work arranging/editing/mixing/mastering. The handling of audio editing, third party plug-ins, send/return routing and mixing/mastering within STUDIO ONE is simply more robust and functional compared to ABLETON, which I think is fantastic at capturing the flow of inspiration when it's striking and for it's creative possibilities in the studio and while performing.
Good to see someone else who uses both programs. What do you notice the most about the quality difference regarding the time stretching between S1 and Live?
Ableton live sounds so much better and has more modes to choose from. I can convincingly warp guitar timing problems in Ableton and I cannot do that in S1. But S1 has a great workflow. and you also have the option to chop the audio and move that around, event quantize without even using warping.
The simple assign to VCAs, buses, fx channels and the ability to assign midi in/outs directly in the track, the audio settings with plug in nap directly in the setting, the scratch pad, the project page and so on. IMHO S1 is a more complete DAW. But Live is beautiful and so much fun to use. Having all you need accessable without popups, the multi out audio settings right in the mixer and so on. Live is more fun, S1 is more multi capable, especially for mixing/mastering. Live and Reason gets in the same category IMHO, music making tools.
Studio One is really worth a try. I was using FL Studio and Cubase and was amazed by the way Studio One looks and works. Its super easy to learn and has a good workflow.
Fair comparison and review . Ableton really excel when we need generating bunch of ideas and sound design . And Ableton session view + MAX4Live really powerful for those tasks . But I kind agree with you , after get the song and sound ideas , I`m prefer to rebuilding those in another DAW ( reaper in my case) than using arrangement view
Ableton for brainstorming/songwriting/arrangement, specifically in session view. Flatten tracks and move them over to S1 for final mixing and mastering. Especially for building albums on the Project page. The Project Page is great for organizing albums and final mastering. Both have their pain points and key points, but the both of them together is a perfect marriage if you ask me. Thanks!!! Gregor has a video on this workflow, its what got me on the bandwagon.
Thanks a ton for this video as it set the initial spark for me to look more into Studio One, as after getting frustrated how Ableton handled multiple outputs with some VSTs I was looking into something that lets me to have better workflow with 3rd party plugins. You are being way too modest though, I think Studio One is great even for electronic musicians. I keep finding workflow improving feature one after another, especially with Multiout instruments as it allows you to take full advantage of just the amount of outputs and midi tracks you need without unnecessary clutter. I'm so relieved now that I feel whoever designed this DAW is pretty close to a genius. And I still keep finding one feature after another that works the way I would expect it to work. So it seems to me I've finally found a tool that lets me work just the way I want. I'm still happy to own Ableton and have learned a lot with it, and it can do so much especially when using their stock devices, so will keep it for projects that are more focused around it, but I feel Studio One is steadily becoming my go to going forward. Nothing is perfect though and it still has some limitations too, mainly for modulation devices, you don't have something like Shaper device for example, just a basic LFO, step / gate modulation device called xtrem, some arp tool, and thats pretty much it, but TBH so many plugins can do modulation at so many levels on their own these days that it is hardly a big issue for me at least. Another plus for me, this supports ARA too so finally can use plugins like RX, Melodyne or Synth-V without compromises. So much more I could write, so I suggest anyone that is interested to check out some of the videos they have on their site, its a good way to learn more about it.
@RegYoungBeats Thanks. I'd done some searching after asking this question and had downloaded it :-) Great macro toolbar. Ivan's instructional videos about the toolbar also taught me how to further customise these macro toolbars that really helps optimise workflows.
What is reaper got to do with this video? It is about the comparison of new updates of certain daws that released around the same time. But then again you see “have you tried reaper?” under nespresso machine comparison videos too. The evangelism is unbelievable
Great video! (I'm trying to figure out if I want to upgrade from S1.4 to S1.7 - amazing how good S1.4 is, but it's not supported by Windows 11, and it's $91 legally if you know where to look. . .)
Omg bro u r the best .. I watched the whole video ..i swear u r the best ever ...❤❤ So for me the order is 01 nuendo.02 cubase.03 studio one .04 Ableton live.05 pro tools & logic pro.06 .FL studio..than other daws like ..bitwig .dp .. waveform.samplitude .luna.mixcraft. reaper reason...etc ... So plllllllllz plllz pllzzzz bro Please make a video comparing other daws especially (NUENDO..CUBASE.. LOGIC PRO ..PRO TOOLS..FL STUDIO..)❤❤❤❤ PLLLLZ BRO MAKE THE ALL DAWS THAT I MENTION .. I really haven't seen anyone compare software like you. I hope you take my request into consideration...and don't forget the zoom process in daws ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤ Plz im witing for this comparison videos ..soon pllllz ...u gona make me choose the best for me .... ❤❤❤❤❤
i have seen a bench mark for DAW performance on the new m4 chips and studio one 7 seems to have a lot of performance issues which was a turn off. i was eyeing it for a while when it came out but am gona stick to my Ableton and cubase combo. Here is what am talking about ua-cam.com/video/hccy19Hm6M8/v-deo.html. Despite all that i believe should go with what works for you.
yeah I seen that as well. It’s surprising how poorly optimized it is on alot of the silicon processors period. Bitwig actually performs the best out of all daws over Logic even which is very surprising but..That’s Apple for ya!!
I was an avid user of Ableton since v7 but I left around v11 for S1. Their lack of innovation just bored me especially for the price you pay for every update. Ableton has way more plugins but mostly it’s just the same plugin with a slightly different setting. And I never liked how plasticy some of the Ableton plugins sound. S1 on the other habd seems to lack plugins but the ones that are there sound really nice and their modular config gui for inserts makes it easy to just build like everything. Side-chain compressing just the 400Hz band of the sides and then add reverb just to that? Yeah, go ahead. And you don’t need to churn out money for m4l to do that. Also it’s really easy to for example have your drum rack midi in the arranger and the individual drum channels in the mixer only. Explode drum tracks is also a must have imho. Same for the sends. I don’t need my sends in the arranger. So I set them to just show up in the mixer. On the other side I don’t need midi lanes in the mixer. S1 is so powerful and deep. Ableton stayed shallow for me until the end.
Ableton has too small plugins for my taste, although you have bunches quite interesting to play and make beats. I define it as a big modular synth with recording and mixing capabilities. I switched to S1 and never came back though.
Bitwig for me currently ive tried so many daws I own ableton 12.1 the look and clutter of abletons bult in instruments are not my favourite. I use both but im looking at every daw out there studio one and protools are the only ones i have ot tried yet.
With one huge caveat to all this comparison. For a person who only works off laptop screen S1 is almost unusable. Because it’s interface non scalable. All the menus end up taking all screen and leave you with little of main part. Sadly cold not move to S1 because of that…
And it’s horrible for Mac OS mobile specifically with that side of things have a qwerty keyboard hang bug when playing notes and moving knobs with mouse at same time
I'm not sure if you're ignorant or just biased, but "out of any DAWs" it's the Reaper followed by FL Studio that open the fastest. Also, Cubase had a huge upgrade to v14, and Bitwig - with 5.3 out recently - is a DAW that bests Live at most things. Lastly, it's very well known that Live is one of the most unstable, unreliable and least performant DAWs with VSTs (20% of tutorials has "report crash" panel at one or multiple times), whereas Bitwig or Reaper sandbox the plugins so if they crash, the project is still running and only the faulty plugin needs to be reloaded.
you obviously favored Ableton Live 12.1 You must be crazy to think Ableton Midi is better than studio one 7 midi. Ableton Live 12.1 is a DJ DAW. STUDIO ONE is a studio recording DAW. big difference. Audio, video, editing, and sound quality are night and day. Ableton is just an upgraded FL studio. Lol 😂😅😊
Studio one for sure have lots of advanced midi features than ableton, although those doesn't mean speed up your workflow to write midi notes . For example to moving a note right or left we need to hold two keystrokes , which means you lose access with your mouse or stylus . Same thing with edit or playback cursors etc. For peoples who wrote lots of midi notes those second which lost matter . STEP midi also have problem , you can move advanced with "REST" but "BACK" function from toolbar not really makes our cursor back but instead deleting last note which already written . The simple solution maybe is building several "most used" macro " but still, you need to move your mouse in toolbar area which again takes some seconds which better to spend for writing next notes.
I use Ableton for songwriting and Studio One for mixing both stereo and Atmos. Two completely different DAWs whose strengths are in these areas.
Excelente trabajo. Felicitaciones. Primera vez que veo una comparación seria, completa, honesta de alguien que maneja bien ambas DAW. Tambien tengo instaladas ambas pero uso StudioOne el 90% del tiempo asi que no puedo hablar con propiedad de Live. Estaba cansado de ver reviews superficiales que no le hacen justicia a todas las opciones, ni que decir de la cantidad de personas que hacen comentarios absolutos mostrando que claramente nunca se han dado el trabajo que implica comparar dos DAW, probablemente una de las categorias de software mas complejas por la cantidad de casos de uso y perfiles de tipos de usuarios, cada uno con distintas necesidades.
Very ambitious walk through. Thanks a lot. I own a Studio One 6 license but I think I will go for Ableton too. Much to learn. 🤔🥸🙄
Great video, thanks for the thorough rundown of feature sets. I personally use both of these DAWs, and for different purposes that you touched on in the video - ABLETON for ideation, preset hunting w/MIDI parts, translating stems from peers and common fluency between musicians I might be working with - STUDIO ONE for getting down to work arranging/editing/mixing/mastering. The handling of audio editing, third party plug-ins, send/return routing and mixing/mastering within STUDIO ONE is simply more robust and functional compared to ABLETON, which I think is fantastic at capturing the flow of inspiration when it's striking and for it's creative possibilities in the studio and while performing.
Exactly, thanks for commenting!
Good to see someone else who uses both programs. What do you notice the most about the quality difference regarding the time stretching between S1 and Live?
Ableton live sounds so much better and has more modes to choose from. I can convincingly warp guitar timing problems in Ableton and I cannot do that in S1. But S1 has a great workflow. and you also have the option to chop the audio and move that around, event quantize without even using warping.
@@LucasMessore Ableton Sounds so much better ? what you mean ?
@@LucasMessore Didnt really notice that in this video
@@filthyjay7518 yeah - was totally surprised after hearing both, then he says, "obviously, Ableton is better. . ." WHAT?
The simple assign to VCAs, buses, fx channels and the ability to assign midi in/outs directly in the track, the audio settings with plug in nap directly in the setting, the scratch pad, the project page and so on. IMHO S1 is a more complete DAW.
But Live is beautiful and so much fun to use. Having all you need accessable without popups, the multi out audio settings right in the mixer and so on. Live is more fun, S1 is more multi capable, especially for mixing/mastering. Live and Reason gets in the same category IMHO, music making tools.
Have you used the Ableton link with these two ?
I can’t get it to work properly :(
Congrats. Both are great. I don't like rack view in live, love studio one even it lack some features
what is the best options then with app download options?
What do you mean by app download options?
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very helpful, I’ve been looking at studio one for a while now (coming from live)
Studio One is really worth a try. I was using FL Studio and Cubase and was amazed by the way Studio One looks and works. Its super easy to learn and has a good workflow.
Fair comparison and review . Ableton really excel when we need generating bunch of ideas and sound design . And Ableton session view + MAX4Live really powerful for those tasks .
But I kind agree with you , after get the song and sound ideas , I`m prefer to rebuilding those in another DAW ( reaper in my case) than using arrangement view
Ableton for brainstorming/songwriting/arrangement, specifically in session view. Flatten tracks and move them over to S1 for final mixing and mastering. Especially for building albums on the Project page. The Project Page is great for organizing albums and final mastering. Both have their pain points and key points, but the both of them together is a perfect marriage if you ask me. Thanks!!! Gregor has a video on this workflow, its what got me on the bandwagon.
Awesome job!
Ableton's Fades on track start/stop is an option that can be turned off. Makes edits in the session view a lot quicker.
Thanks a ton for this video as it set the initial spark for me to look more into Studio One, as after getting frustrated how Ableton handled multiple outputs with some VSTs I was looking into something that lets me to have better workflow with 3rd party plugins.
You are being way too modest though, I think Studio One is great even for electronic musicians. I keep finding workflow improving feature one after another, especially with Multiout instruments as it allows you to take full advantage of just the amount of outputs and midi tracks you need without unnecessary clutter. I'm so relieved now that I feel whoever designed this DAW is pretty close to a genius. And I still keep finding one feature after another that works the way I would expect it to work. So it seems to me I've finally found a tool that lets me work just the way I want.
I'm still happy to own Ableton and have learned a lot with it, and it can do so much especially when using their stock devices, so will keep it for projects that are more focused around it, but I feel Studio One is steadily becoming my go to going forward.
Nothing is perfect though and it still has some limitations too, mainly for modulation devices, you don't have something like Shaper device for example, just a basic LFO, step / gate modulation device called xtrem, some arp tool, and thats pretty much it, but TBH so many plugins can do modulation at so many levels on their own these days that it is hardly a big issue for me at least.
Another plus for me, this supports ARA too so finally can use plugins like RX, Melodyne or Synth-V without compromises.
So much more I could write, so I suggest anyone that is interested to check out some of the videos they have on their site, its a good way to learn more about it.
I agree thanks for the comment!
sounds to me like ableton is great for , live performances, Djing, making beats and studio one is great for recording and mixing and mastering.
Where did you get the Productivity TB 1.3.1 Macro Toolbar that you show at 17:52?
He got it from Ivan Calderon
@RegYoungBeats Thanks. I'd done some searching after asking this question and had downloaded it :-) Great macro toolbar. Ivan's instructional videos about the toolbar also taught me how to further customise these macro toolbars that really helps optimise workflows.
What about trying Reaper?
What is reaper got to do with this video? It is about the comparison of new updates of certain daws that released around the same time.
But then again you see “have you tried reaper?” under nespresso machine comparison videos too. The evangelism is unbelievable
@@osmancolak I've asked him about reaper, because he tries out daws.
Have you tried going vegan? This video would be better if you were vegan, just sayin'
Thanx,good video, i am 10 year studio one user sence i put i tseking out olso abelton
Killer video dude! When are you gonna throw FL Studio into the mix? 😂😂
Great video!
(I'm trying to figure out if I want to upgrade from S1.4 to S1.7 - amazing how good S1.4 is, but it's not supported by Windows 11, and it's $91 legally if you know where to look. . .)
Don't you be ashamed concerning your greed?
Omg bro u r the best .. I watched the whole video ..i swear u r the best ever ...❤❤
So for me the order is
01 nuendo.02 cubase.03 studio one .04 Ableton live.05 pro tools & logic pro.06 .FL studio..than other daws like ..bitwig .dp .. waveform.samplitude .luna.mixcraft. reaper reason...etc ...
So plllllllllz plllz pllzzzz bro Please make a video comparing other daws especially (NUENDO..CUBASE.. LOGIC PRO ..PRO TOOLS..FL STUDIO..)❤❤❤❤
PLLLLZ BRO MAKE THE ALL DAWS THAT I MENTION ..
I really haven't seen anyone compare software like you. I hope you take my request into consideration...and don't forget the zoom process in daws ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Plz im witing for this comparison videos ..soon pllllz ...u gona make me choose the best for me ....
❤❤❤❤❤
Dont miss that Ableton live has no limit for effect in one channel....and fl studio also in patcher can upload no limit plugins inside ......❤❤❤
i have seen a bench mark for DAW performance on the new m4 chips and studio one 7 seems to have a lot of performance issues which was a turn off. i was eyeing it for a while when it came out but am gona stick to my Ableton and cubase combo. Here is what am talking about ua-cam.com/video/hccy19Hm6M8/v-deo.html. Despite all that i believe should go with what works for you.
Interesting, thanks for sharing!
yeah I seen that as well. It’s surprising how poorly optimized it is on alot of the silicon processors period. Bitwig actually performs the best out of all daws over Logic even which is very surprising but..That’s Apple for ya!!
Ableton, the DAW that is not designed to record audio. That's true, I tried a couple of times and got extremely annoyed.
I was an avid user of Ableton since v7 but I left around v11 for S1. Their lack of innovation just bored me especially for the price you pay for every update. Ableton has way more plugins but mostly it’s just the same plugin with a slightly different setting. And I never liked how plasticy some of the Ableton plugins sound. S1 on the other habd seems to lack plugins but the ones that are there sound really nice and their modular config gui for inserts makes it easy to just build like everything. Side-chain compressing just the 400Hz band of the sides and then add reverb just to that? Yeah, go ahead. And you don’t need to churn out money for m4l to do that. Also it’s really easy to for example have your drum rack midi in the arranger and the individual drum channels in the mixer only. Explode drum tracks is also a must have imho. Same for the sends. I don’t need my sends in the arranger. So I set them to just show up in the mixer. On the other side I don’t need midi lanes in the mixer. S1 is so powerful and deep. Ableton stayed shallow for me until the end.
Ableton has too small plugins for my taste, although you have bunches quite interesting to play and make beats. I define it as a big modular synth with recording and mixing capabilities. I switched to S1 and never came back though.
I think Studio One 7 is miles ahead of Ableton 12. S7 is generally the best all round DAW.
Bitwig for me currently ive tried so many daws I own ableton 12.1 the look and clutter of abletons bult in instruments are not my favourite. I use both but im looking at every daw out there studio one and protools are the only ones i have ot tried yet.
With one huge caveat to all this comparison. For a person who only works off laptop screen S1 is almost unusable. Because it’s interface non scalable. All the menus end up taking all screen and leave you with little of main part. Sadly cold not move to S1 because of that…
And it’s horrible for Mac OS mobile specifically with that side of things have a qwerty keyboard hang bug when playing notes and moving knobs with mouse at same time
Studio One seems to have many great features but to me it is aesthetically quite weak. Could you compare Ableton and Logic Pro?
I'm not sure if you're ignorant or just biased, but "out of any DAWs" it's the Reaper followed by FL Studio that open the fastest. Also, Cubase had a huge upgrade to v14, and Bitwig - with 5.3 out recently - is a DAW that bests Live at most things. Lastly, it's very well known that Live is one of the most unstable, unreliable and least performant DAWs with VSTs (20% of tutorials has "report crash" panel at one or multiple times), whereas Bitwig or Reaper sandbox the plugins so if they crash, the project is still running and only the faulty plugin needs to be reloaded.
Bro plllz can do what i mention?.??
you obviously favored Ableton Live 12.1
You must be crazy to think Ableton Midi is better than studio one 7 midi. Ableton Live 12.1 is a DJ DAW.
STUDIO ONE is a studio recording DAW.
big difference. Audio, video, editing, and sound quality are night and day. Ableton is just an upgraded FL studio. Lol 😂😅😊
Studio one for sure have lots of advanced midi features than ableton, although those doesn't mean speed up your workflow to write midi notes . For example to moving a note right or left we need to hold two keystrokes , which means you lose access with your mouse or stylus . Same thing with edit or playback cursors etc. For peoples who wrote lots of midi notes those second which lost matter .
STEP midi also have problem , you can move advanced with "REST" but "BACK" function from toolbar not really makes our cursor back but instead deleting last note which already written .
The simple solution maybe is building several "most used" macro " but still, you need to move your mouse in toolbar area which again takes some seconds which better to spend for writing next notes.