Pausing is definitely fine, especially for this show. It's very nice when reactors pick up on details and sometimes people miss very obvious things, which can be frustrating.
It's fine to miss details guys. Everyone just loves pointing out things we discovered when watching shows. I think it's a habit from interaction in forums and stuff. But if you get curious and want to rewatch for details feel free to, but no need to feel obligated to.
@@juanthegreat3954Yes, but there is a specific reason why they skip the details. Not because they're stupid or anything like that, but because they get distracted. Personally, I really like the idea of pauses and rewinds, but the main thing is that they feel comfortable, of course
You guys are so sweet! Thank you! 🥹 (That point about forums is so interesting, I never thought about that!) It is easy to get distracted with the conversation sometimes when you're watching a show with friends 😅
i think for this show you should pause and rewind. because there are a lot of subtleties you will miss when you take your eyes off the screen. but you do you, i think whats best is you at your comfort.
I’m a new subscriber and I just love you GET this show!!! I’m so excited to see you watch the rest of the series. I don’t mind pauses or rewinds or anything. I hope you can watch it in the way that you like to give us your genuine reactions to as much as possible 😊
The author of Frieren is very blunt with the usage of German words as character names in the manga, and is especially blunt in this arc. "Lügner" is quite literally the German word for "liar".
Oh, if you would pause for discussion or rewind, I would be incredibly happy. I understand that this is your style and you warch the way you feel comfortable. It's just that there are so many details that it becomes sad when you miss them or are not very involved in the moment ❤
That Village Chief was a real nutcase. Like you think I'm gonna sit over here and be fine and break bread with someone who ATE my child (or in my case, my cat) and giving them special treatment afterwards? Nah man. He was gonna get axed either by that kid or me, if I was those parents. The demon just offed him quicker than me. 😤
Also, I know y'all have a really good eye for these things but it won't hurt to say to keep in mind how the clothing is animated, especially in these next couple of episodes. I think you guys have mentioned it a little but I'd love to hear you talk about it some more after seeing these! Oh and the hair, too!
Finally someone who understands that Frieren lives at the same speed than humans ! Most reactors think ten years are like seconds for her... But a year has the same number of days for elves and humans. And you understand the "demon problem" right away too :) A note about the demon girl : she wanted to live in peace. She tried. But she didn't understand why humans would be attached to family - or find eating a little girl alive detestable. She tried - but was destined to fail because she thinks very differently. For humans, her "peace gestures" where horrible crimes... And it would be same the other way around. A translation problem - that I've seen with all translations : Frieren does not say that elves have no romantic or procreative instincts at all. Just that those instincts are far less developed than with humans. it goes with their life span : they live so long that if they had children as often than humans, their population would not be sustainable. Of course the demons look cute or handsome. Humans are vulnerable to people looking like that. So some demons evolved to look like perfect husbandos/waifus. Others hunt differently - like Qual - so being seductive is not an advantage for them. Next episodes will be a fun watch :) Pause an comment as much as you want - Frieren is a show that only reveals itself if you take the time to wonder about what is said or shown.
OMG EVERYTHING YOU SAID WAS SO INTERESTING!! Thanks for sharing! Now we're even more excited to learn about the demons! It's awesome to think that demons have different hunting styles and that is reflected in their appearance as well. Also, elves procreating as much as humans when they have such a long lifespans does sound like a recipe for disaster 🤣 It makes so much sense! 🤯 Really enjoying the world building of this show! 😘👌 And thank you so much! We will keep that in mind!
I much prefer the pausing. You catch everything, which will also make the discussion better. But there's always gonna exist different preferences, so you can just experiment and go with what you feel better with :p
Thank you so much! We're definitely going to take everyone's opinions into consideration and do some sort of compromise/experimentation until we find a good style!
39:56 I hope to God season 2 will get animated some day and you will get to see the perspective of that solitary demon. One of the best characters in the manga so far.
I also prefer pausing. Rewinding is great too, I think a lot of people do this when watching shows. I just hope they can gauge when the show is trying to do an emotional moment or something so they can sometimes let the scene play out for maximum impact. But its whatever I'm sure it's fine.
Don't worry, you are not alone with this ship thing, the more time we had to see the Frieren-Himmel relationship being fleshed out in the flashback the more my ship for them was intensifying when I was watching these episodes alone.
@@CuddlinginCarnage I hope theres a hell in the world of Frieren just like they implied theres a heaven, so we can imagine the demons that Frieren killed just sitting there sulking and cursing her lol.
you guys are freaking awesome! i love the discussions at the end, theyre really entertaining and thought provoking, things i missed out on, gets pointed out by you both! i especially love the dude, he has good taste, stark and eisen are def best boys!!
Moral questions aside, inviting a demon into your village is essentially like chickens letting a wolf into their barn. Even if it is calm for now, it is only a matter of time until the next one gets killed and eaten. There can be fundamentally no agreement.
The flashback to the demon child in the village really is haunting. I fully believe the demon's goal was just to survive. The two main tools that demons have for survival are killing and lying, but this demon was put into a highly unusual situation where neither of those would help, so it had to come up with something new. And it seems like it genuinely tried to come up with a solution that would make the townsfolk stop wanting to kill it. But just as humans can't understand the alien thinking of demons, this demon didn't understand humans well enough, so its attempt at making peace backfired. The wild thing is that this is the story that Frieren told to demonstrate her point that demons are liars, but as far as I can tell, the demon in the flashback wasn't lying about trying to make peace. Sure, it was 100% motivated by survival rather than any human concepts of remorse, compassion, or respect for the townsfolk, so you could argue that makes it deceptive. But ultimately, that demon wasn't lying when it said it wanted to provide a replacement daughter to the bereaved mother so she would stop hating it. As far as I can tell, that was literally the demon's plan, and if the demon could understand humans better, it might have even come up with a better plan that was actually acceptable to the townsfolk. But even if it was successful, would it just have simply bided its time until it was strong enough to escape or kill the townsfolk? It still wouldn't have any emotional attachment to beings it sees as food. It all suggests that demons, as thinking beings, could theoretically get along peacefully with humans if they were put in a situation where they judged that getting along was in their best interest, and if they were properly informed on how humans think. And yet, it's hard to imagine such a situation remaining stable for very long. So despite the theoretical potential for peaceful coexistence, in practice, conflict between demons and humans seems unavoidable, which is tragic.
You're welcome guys, glad you remembered my comment about Demon's true nature. Just allow me to say that you are about to enjoy even more the story ❤, thing that I would love to see!
I think on your discussion about Frierens perception of time, maybe it's like a halfway point between the usual omnipotent types and the average lifespanned being. Frieren was originally shown to be aloof and feeling time passing as trivial like her 10 year adventure. But we are also shown from flashbacks here and maybe also later in the show that she does have the ability to comprehend the moment. What I observed was it's most likely the case of Frieren just not appreciating the little moments as much back then. This has slowly been ammended since Himmels death and meeting Fern as she learns new things about others and herself. But also, in regards to Frieren and also some other characters in this show, there always seems to be a sense of contradiction and duality. Frieren is both wise and naive, cold yet caring, appreciative yet dismissive. Same dichotomies are seen in Fern and Stark and etc. So it could also be a quirk of their personalities. Or just all of the above.
"ALL DEMONS KNOW IS EAT HOT CHIP AND LIE"... so humen do. To invite mediators just to kill them in an ambush isn´t really better than the demon´s style.
It's okay to miss stuff guys. But yes I prefer if you'd just pause if the discussion is more than a few words, this ep's reaction's pacing is good for me though! Regarding the mimics, I think it's already hinted at Ep 6 during the flashback where Heiter and Frieren are ecstatic about a spell for making shaved ice. When Frieren says that she has no spell for producing syrup, the screen shows a shot of an empty chest hinting that the grimoire for the said ice spell came from there. The gag of Frieren falling for mimics could be taken as an extension to the earlier reveal that Frieren likes collecting quirky spells (and thus takes the risk of opening all chests including suspicious ones lol) because she has good memories of making her friends happy with these.
"The first sci-fi to do aliens right" will be my new way of introducing Frieren to people 😂. The truth is this might not even be wrong. Imagine Frieren world was real in another dimension. Does it makes magic a new science field altogether with its own set of formulas and rules? If we assume that magic in Frieren has its own set of rules, formulas, etc. and that might make it a science in their world, and if we assume that Frieren is a fiction, it really is a sci-fi. Also what is the big difference between aliens and demons/dwarves/elves/monsters and more, apart that the second group exist in a world where magic exist, but it is now not even relevant since we established just before that magic in Frieren is science in disguise?
The nature of demons is revealed in this arc, and explored further in an arc that probably will be covered late season 2 or season 3. As it stands, demons are very effective at manipulation, because even being told upfront by Frieren, and even Lügner himself, we still doubt. Language is so intrinsic to humanity, we can't help but anthropomorphize demons.
Pausing, talking, and rewinding is fine… I’d rather you not miss some details. That being said, sometimes it’s not good to pause as it might break up a mood or impactful scene the show is setting up. Regarding how we may only see the demons from a human perspective, you already saw from this episode that they do focus on Lugnar and his talk with his subordinates and we do get to see their perspective. Granted, it’s not as deep as our (human) side, we still get to see what they are truly thinking.
Thanks Wrex! We'll definitely keep that in mind! So far it seems like everything Frieren assumes about the nature of demons is correct based on how they talk to each other: using communication only as manipulation, not having a concept of family, etc. We'd love to see more of the demon's side in the future!
I am Japanese, that English translation subtitle is wrong in places. Fern does not call him "Master". She calls him "Stark sama" and sama means about "Mr.". "Master" is a completely wrong translation.
Master is also an old fashioned way of addressing men respectfully. It is not technically wrong, and may be a more correct translation based on the setting. It is commonly used when great grandparent aged people write letters to men. Fern learning manners from Heiter makes this fitting to me.
Yeah honorifics are a pretty contentious part of translation. I'm a native English speaker and only have a rudimentary understanding of Japanese, but I can try to speak on behalf of what honorifics **feel** like in English. "San" is usually translated as "Mr.", since it implies a small level of formality, at least a little bit above no honorific at all. From there, "Sama" is more respectful, so it's usually translated as "Master", since that's the easiest higher level of respect for an American English speaker to understand. One might translate "Stark-sama" as "Sir Stark", but that's not something that people say in modern English. Translating it as "Mr. Stark" makes sense on paper, but then we have a new problem: how do we translate 'Stark-san"? There's nothing in English between "Mr. Stark" and "Stark". So we're sort of stuck. The usual English translation for honorifics goes: Stark -> Stark Stark-san -> Mr. Stark Stark-sama -> Master Stark You're right when you say that "Master Stark" is a weird translation, but it's kind of the best system we've settled on over the years. There's definitely a lot of other ways to translate honorifics, so it's pretty messy.
So much to cover... First: Great job getting through this episode. I'm going to cover a few things: 1. Why are Demons monsters? 2. Demons and Human Psychology (Survival vs Empathy) 3. Demons and other species 4. Resurgence of demonic activity 1. Why are Demons considered monsters? Demons are monsters not just because they eat humans, but because they are fundamentally psychotic. They do not possess the ability of empathy. They do not form emotional attachments. That's why everything to them is either food/threat or... well, NOTHING. Even for humans, serial killers are psychotic. They do not see people as people, they treat people like objects they are typically emotionless, and do not feel guilt or remorse, and we call those humans also monsters. They have no concept of community or compassion or relationships (emotional attachment.) Our personal response of "but what if" regarding demons is not a sign of weakness, but just the fact that humans fundamentally crave community and are typically willing to give the benefit of the doubt, even when they shouldn't. 2. Demons and Human Psychology. Demons are smart enough to detect a threat, so they will either appease the threat or kill it. In the case of the demon child, she ate the child in order to sate her appetite, and she killed the chief in order to eliminate the "ownership" of the chief's daughter, in order to appease the parents of the dead child. Sympathy, empathy, compassion, these are all foreign concepts to demons,which is further elaborated on in Episode 10. Anyway, the demon child was supposed to illustrate that humans can't stop wanting to humanize and empathize with a specie that will stop at nothing to either kill/eat or appease humans. To a demon, it's not lying or deceiving, it's achieving a goal. For instance, to hack into a very secure installation, a hacker will employ "soft" infiltration tactics, meaning the manipulate human psychology to achieve their objective. It's the same with demons. 3. Demons vs Other Species (Elveds/Dwarves). This isn't really a spoiler, and it isn't stated explicitly in the manga as of yet, but the demons genocided Elves and Dwarves on the orders of the Demon King, who foresaw that these two extremely talented species could and would stand against the survival of demon kind. We learn more about this in Episode 10, and what Eisen said about his own village. These were targeted extermination attacks. 4. Why did is tehre a resurgence of demonic activity? You already hit that nail on the head - it's because Himmel died. They were afraid of Himmel, but since his death, they've been actively gaining power, which figures greatly in the arc after what's known as the Demon Infiltration Arc (the one you're in now).
Wow you are the first person who touch upon the biological moral difference and the implication on Human-Demon relations. Most reactors just thought this means they are "Pure Evil™". but in actuality, demons being very powerful and like eating human was just the cause of animosity between the two species; it's the the fundamental biological difference between the two species resulting in a complete different moral groundwork and paradigm that result in continuous hostility. You will love the big demon arc that explore more of this concept but sadly it will probably be in season 3 orso.
NO WAY!! YESSSS Can't wait for more seasons to come! What a fascinating development! Of course we want to avoid spoilers as much as possible, but based on how some people were talking about demons in the comments, I was starting to think maybe we were off the mark by sympathizing with them as an "alien" species completely different from our own. Cool to hear that others agree! Also thanks for appreciating us! That means so much 🙏
Some ppl just feel better when they shown they are more familiar on an anime and try to keep saying other shouldn't miss the "details" (which they not even the one who create it) For those ppl it's ok if you just giving a remind on the detail like sharing a fun fact, but not making people need to apologize even watching an anime, we are watching anime for relax, not for writing a report.
I've followed a half-dozen different reactors to Frieren (and sampled and dropped double that) - the most enjoyable ones for me are the ones where the reactors are able to understand what's happening in the episode correctly, and also really express themselves to the episodes, crying, swearing, being amazed or upset. If not pausing results in missing what is being said, you should pause, no viewers I'd care about should be watching the episodes for the first time in a reaction video IMO. It feels most natural to me to pause when the reaction is more than a sentence and would cause the next few lines of dialog to be missed, but I think it's better to keep very long reactions of a few minutes or more to the end to not disrupt the flow that much. There's also something to be said for not pausing every 10 seconds and letting some scenes play out fully so you can be more expressive in your reactions, where breaking up the scene too much may lessen the impact of it.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 I checked and tried his first episode and didn't go any further! Maybe I'll give him another shot since you are putting him up there now. I actually do really enjoy Cuddling in Carnage here a lot, but if I had to throw another one out there for you, I'd give it to storieswithstyle - what that reactor brings to the table is their German ancestry - all the names/towns in Frieren (well almost all) are German and are designed around the German definition of the word, so being native in German he provides more knowledge about that than most streams. He also tried to do a few deep dives in to the symbolism and meanings of the characters/themes that is interesting too.
Someone has probably already pointed this out but every single name in this series has a German translation that is meaningful to the character/thing. Lügner means Liar. If I was half as good with manipulation as he is I would've gotten away with so much shit
Absolutely. Pause and back up as necessary. I want to see your reaction to the shows and it is hard to get that when in trying to share thoughts your miss a lead up or follow through on dialog. I vote for pausing and rewinding as necessary.
the only reason to really be concerned over pausing is if you were doing timer based reactions and wanted to accomodate those who are watching along, but since some video is being shown that shouldnt be a problem, and feel free to pause or go back as much as you want
Watch the show however you want to watch it. This is your reaction, and as you've said before, the point is not to watch the show, it's to see your commentary on it. On the other hand, don't worry too much about details that you're missing. I've watched this show multiple times and I still pick up on new details sometimes. There's no way you can take it all in with a single viewing.
I generally prefer not to pause in the middle of a story. However, I see you guys often get so absorbed in the content of your comments that you miss or fail to hear the important or sensitive parts of the story that are going on in the meantime. So I think it's better to pause when you feel that what you are talking about is about to develop.
That's a very balanced take! Thank you so much! It is easy to get distracted when you have a friend to talk to while watching a show 😅 Even when we're not on camera, we're not really the type of people to silently watch media, unless we're at the movie theaters.
I don´t understand the concept of the "reacters"... they pause, they mute... they mute and pause even the opening and in this 53 minutes upload they are talking 53 minutes. The English subtitles of the series are weak but it´s impossible to watch another version concurrently because all the pauses and the unknown speeding of the video. The best way would to mark the scenes instead of interrupting, the most questions get answered a few minutes later and the rest they could discuss at the end.
This story is basically based on Tolkien's The Hobbit and Lord Of The Rings. Humans basically live like we do, at most a hundred years or so. Dwarves for around 300 years, but elves are immortals. They are born and grow to full adulthood like a human in 20-30 years then just stop aging at all. The elves don't die of old age, they just keep living unless they are killed by physical damage to their bodies. They don't reproduce much because they are immortals. In Tolkien for instance, Arwin was 3000 years old when she and Aragorn got married at the end of Lord Of The Rings. So like humans, Elves have children, but they only have a child every so often. Maybe as few as one every 2 to 3 thousand years.
That's so interesting, thank you! I had a basic idea of Tolkien's fantasy creatures because his stories were unbelievably influential, but I didn't know the more specific details. 300 years for dwarves is still a long time compared to humans, but based on how Frieren and the others were talking, I thought Eisen would live a lot longer. This is what I get for not watching Lord of the Rings with my dad when I was little. I just don't think I was ready for a 3 hour and 30 minute long movie when I was 6 yrs old 😅
2 or 3 pauses is ok, any more and it's a bit annoying imo. Rewinding is automatically annoying to me because I watch anime alone and fully focus. But if you're watching with other people it makes sense I guess.
Completely understand where you're coming from. I used to find it a little annoying when reaction channels missed details, but now that I'm doing it myself and have a camera in front of me as well as a friend to talk to, I realized how much easier it is to get distracted than when you're just watching a show by yourself 😅 We'll try our best to find a good balance! And we're always open to suggestions ☺️
Frieren's last line was how you say, "F@ck around and find out." in elvish.
Pausing is definitely fine, especially for this show. It's very nice when reactors pick up on details and sometimes people miss very obvious things, which can be frustrating.
It's fine to miss details guys. Everyone just loves pointing out things we discovered when watching shows. I think it's a habit from interaction in forums and stuff. But if you get curious and want to rewatch for details feel free to, but no need to feel obligated to.
Yeah. Not everyone would always pick up the details and stuffs, and it is pretty normal
@@juanthegreat3954Yes, but there is a specific reason why they skip the details. Not because they're stupid or anything like that, but because they get distracted. Personally, I really like the idea of pauses and rewinds, but the main thing is that they feel comfortable, of course
You guys are so sweet! Thank you! 🥹
(That point about forums is so interesting, I never thought about that!) It is easy to get distracted with the conversation sometimes when you're watching a show with friends 😅
i think for this show you should pause and rewind. because there are a lot of subtleties you will miss when you take your eyes off the screen.
but you do you, i think whats best is you at your comfort.
I’m a new subscriber and I just love you GET this show!!! I’m so excited to see you watch the rest of the series.
I don’t mind pauses or rewinds or anything. I hope you can watch it in the way that you like to give us your genuine reactions to as much as possible 😊
The author of Frieren is very blunt with the usage of German words as character names in the manga, and is especially blunt in this arc.
"Lügner" is quite literally the German word for "liar".
Oh, if you would pause for discussion or rewind, I would be incredibly happy. I understand that this is your style and you warch the way you feel comfortable. It's just that there are so many details that it becomes sad when you miss them or are not very involved in the moment ❤
That Village Chief was a real nutcase. Like you think I'm gonna sit over here and be fine and break bread with someone who ATE my child (or in my case, my cat) and giving them special treatment afterwards? Nah man. He was gonna get axed either by that kid or me, if I was those parents. The demon just offed him quicker than me. 😤
Also, I know y'all have a really good eye for these things but it won't hurt to say to keep in mind how the clothing is animated, especially in these next couple of episodes. I think you guys have mentioned it a little but I'd love to hear you talk about it some more after seeing these!
Oh and the hair, too!
Damn that's tough, but I don't blame you at all. That demon was menace and it's crazy that the Village Chief was so willing to give it a chance.
And thanks we'll keep a lookout! Would love to hear your thoughts on the clothing and hair when we catch up as well!
"Damn if they beat the bad guys, global warming will come"
I almost fell off my chair ahahah
We might have gotten a bit carried away... 🤣
Finally someone who understands that Frieren lives at the same speed than humans ! Most reactors think ten years are like seconds for her... But a year has the same number of days for elves and humans.
And you understand the "demon problem" right away too :)
A note about the demon girl : she wanted to live in peace. She tried. But she didn't understand why humans would be attached to family - or find eating a little girl alive detestable. She tried - but was destined to fail because she thinks very differently. For humans, her "peace gestures" where horrible crimes... And it would be same the other way around.
A translation problem - that I've seen with all translations : Frieren does not say that elves have no romantic or procreative instincts at all. Just that those instincts are far less developed than with humans. it goes with their life span : they live so long that if they had children as often than humans, their population would not be sustainable.
Of course the demons look cute or handsome. Humans are vulnerable to people looking like that. So some demons evolved to look like perfect husbandos/waifus. Others hunt differently - like Qual - so being seductive is not an advantage for them.
Next episodes will be a fun watch :)
Pause an comment as much as you want - Frieren is a show that only reveals itself if you take the time to wonder about what is said or shown.
OMG EVERYTHING YOU SAID WAS SO INTERESTING!! Thanks for sharing! Now we're even more excited to learn about the demons! It's awesome to think that demons have different hunting styles and that is reflected in their appearance as well. Also, elves procreating as much as humans when they have such a long lifespans does sound like a recipe for disaster 🤣 It makes so much sense! 🤯 Really enjoying the world building of this show! 😘👌
And thank you so much! We will keep that in mind!
"just so you know im strong"
"stronger than me?"
"Stronger than your boss's boss"
I much prefer the pausing. You catch everything, which will also make the discussion better. But there's always gonna exist different preferences, so you can just experiment and go with what you feel better with :p
Thank you so much! We're definitely going to take everyone's opinions into consideration and do some sort of compromise/experimentation until we find a good style!
39:56 I hope to God season 2 will get animated some day and you will get to see the perspective of that solitary demon. One of the best characters in the manga so far.
It's okay to pause and rewind. For me at least.
I also prefer pausing. Rewinding is great too, I think a lot of people do this when watching shows. I just hope they can gauge when the show is trying to do an emotional moment or something so they can sometimes let the scene play out for maximum impact. But its whatever I'm sure it's fine.
Don't worry, you are not alone with this ship thing, the more time we had to see the Frieren-Himmel relationship being fleshed out in the flashback the more my ship for them was intensifying when I was watching these episodes alone.
HELL YEAH! 🤜🤛 I'm so glad I'm not the only one! 🥹
I already loved the design of the short pink demon Linie but I loved her even more when I saw that she has the same VA as Akane from Oshi no Ko
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NOOOO don't tell me that right after Stark turned her into Ai 😭😭😭
@@CuddlinginCarnage LMAO
@@CuddlinginCarnage I hope theres a hell in the world of Frieren just like they implied theres a heaven, so we can imagine the demons that Frieren killed just sitting there sulking and cursing her lol.
you guys are freaking awesome! i love the discussions at the end, theyre really entertaining and thought provoking, things i missed out on, gets pointed out by you both! i especially love the dude, he has good taste, stark and eisen are def best boys!!
Awww that means so much to me 🥹 I'm The Dude by the way this makes me so happy to know I'm appreciated >//
It's the girl here! That's so sweet, thank you! So happy you like our discussions! 🥹💖
Moral questions aside, inviting a demon into your village is essentially like chickens letting a wolf into their barn. Even if it is calm for now, it is only a matter of time until the next one gets killed and eaten. There can be fundamentally no agreement.
The flashback to the demon child in the village really is haunting. I fully believe the demon's goal was just to survive. The two main tools that demons have for survival are killing and lying, but this demon was put into a highly unusual situation where neither of those would help, so it had to come up with something new. And it seems like it genuinely tried to come up with a solution that would make the townsfolk stop wanting to kill it. But just as humans can't understand the alien thinking of demons, this demon didn't understand humans well enough, so its attempt at making peace backfired.
The wild thing is that this is the story that Frieren told to demonstrate her point that demons are liars, but as far as I can tell, the demon in the flashback wasn't lying about trying to make peace. Sure, it was 100% motivated by survival rather than any human concepts of remorse, compassion, or respect for the townsfolk, so you could argue that makes it deceptive. But ultimately, that demon wasn't lying when it said it wanted to provide a replacement daughter to the bereaved mother so she would stop hating it. As far as I can tell, that was literally the demon's plan, and if the demon could understand humans better, it might have even come up with a better plan that was actually acceptable to the townsfolk. But even if it was successful, would it just have simply bided its time until it was strong enough to escape or kill the townsfolk? It still wouldn't have any emotional attachment to beings it sees as food.
It all suggests that demons, as thinking beings, could theoretically get along peacefully with humans if they were put in a situation where they judged that getting along was in their best interest, and if they were properly informed on how humans think. And yet, it's hard to imagine such a situation remaining stable for very long. So despite the theoretical potential for peaceful coexistence, in practice, conflict between demons and humans seems unavoidable, which is tragic.
100% agree! You took our thoughts and feelings and articulated them so beautifully!
You're welcome guys, glad you remembered my comment about Demon's true nature. Just allow me to say that you are about to enjoy even more the story ❤, thing that I would love to see!
I think on your discussion about Frierens perception of time, maybe it's like a halfway point between the usual omnipotent types and the average lifespanned being. Frieren was originally shown to be aloof and feeling time passing as trivial like her 10 year adventure. But we are also shown from flashbacks here and maybe also later in the show that she does have the ability to comprehend the moment.
What I observed was it's most likely the case of Frieren just not appreciating the little moments as much back then. This has slowly been ammended since Himmels death and meeting Fern as she learns new things about others and herself. But also, in regards to Frieren and also some other characters in this show, there always seems to be a sense of contradiction and duality. Frieren is both wise and naive, cold yet caring, appreciative yet dismissive. Same dichotomies are seen in Fern and Stark and etc. So it could also be a quirk of their personalities. Or just all of the above.
Great observations! We also noticed that Fern and Stark have those similar contradictions. They make for a very interesting party to follow!
Why am I dying at her laughing at the elves low libido lol
Elves in other anime: MAX HORNI
Elves in Frieren: *plays Guts theme*
"ALL DEMONS KNOW IS EAT HOT CHIP AND LIE"... so humen do. To invite mediators just to kill them in an ambush isn´t really better than the demon´s style.
So true! War is just fcked up on both sides!
It's okay to miss stuff guys. But yes I prefer if you'd just pause if the discussion is more than a few words, this ep's reaction's pacing is good for me though!
Regarding the mimics, I think it's already hinted at Ep 6 during the flashback where Heiter and Frieren are ecstatic about a spell for making shaved ice. When Frieren says that she has no spell for producing syrup, the screen shows a shot of an empty chest hinting that the grimoire for the said ice spell came from there. The gag of Frieren falling for mimics could be taken as an extension to the earlier reveal that Frieren likes collecting quirky spells (and thus takes the risk of opening all chests including suspicious ones lol) because she has good memories of making her friends happy with these.
Thank you! We'll keep that in mind! And wow the empty chest is an amazing detail we didn't notice! It's so wholesome 🥹💖
13:00 Wow, I didn't catch that detail. Himmel being Himmel again (being best man again).
BEST MAN INDEED! WE'LL NEVER FORGET HIM 😭😭
It's okay to pause and rewatch. Also, someone else may explain this better, but it seems "humanity" in Frieren's world includes dwarves and elves
Agree, The most important thing is not to miss their conversation :D
Ohhhhh okay that makes way more sense
I hope you remember the tangents you guys went on when you watch Episode 25
"The first sci-fi to do aliens right" will be my new way of introducing Frieren to people 😂. The truth is this might not even be wrong. Imagine Frieren world was real in another dimension. Does it makes magic a new science field altogether with its own set of formulas and rules? If we assume that magic in Frieren has its own set of rules, formulas, etc. and that might make it a science in their world, and if we assume that Frieren is a fiction, it really is a sci-fi. Also what is the big difference between aliens and demons/dwarves/elves/monsters and more, apart that the second group exist in a world where magic exist, but it is now not even relevant since we established just before that magic in Frieren is science in disguise?
YES BRO YOU GET ME, ahh I'm so happy I'm not the only one who sees this (≧▽≦)
@@CuddlinginCarnage I only saw it because you point it out, maybe on a subconcious level I was already aware tho.
The nature of demons is revealed in this arc, and explored further in an arc that probably will be covered late season 2 or season 3. As it stands, demons are very effective at manipulation, because even being told upfront by Frieren, and even Lügner himself, we still doubt. Language is so intrinsic to humanity, we can't help but anthropomorphize demons.
Love your reactions please keep it up
Awww thank you so much! That means the world to us 🥹💖
You gonna learn everything in the next 3 episode about the true lore of demons in this series.
YESSSS CAN'T WAIT (really wish I didn't have a day job 🤣)
Pausing, talking, and rewinding is fine… I’d rather you not miss some details. That being said, sometimes it’s not good to pause as it might break up a mood or impactful scene the show is setting up.
Regarding how we may only see the demons from a human perspective, you already saw from this episode that they do focus on Lugnar and his talk with his subordinates and we do get to see their perspective. Granted, it’s not as deep as our (human) side, we still get to see what they are truly thinking.
Thanks Wrex! We'll definitely keep that in mind! So far it seems like everything Frieren assumes about the nature of demons is correct based on how they talk to each other: using communication only as manipulation, not having a concept of family, etc. We'd love to see more of the demon's side in the future!
We see what we want to see
- shippers prolly 😂😂
I'm marking this comment as read so that Ariel doesn't see it 😜
- Del
I am Japanese, that English translation subtitle is wrong in places.
Fern does not call him "Master".
She calls him "Stark sama" and sama means about "Mr.". "Master" is a completely wrong translation.
Master is also an old fashioned way of addressing men respectfully. It is not technically wrong, and may be a more correct translation based on the setting. It is commonly used when great grandparent aged people write letters to men. Fern learning manners from Heiter makes this fitting to me.
Yeah honorifics are a pretty contentious part of translation.
I'm a native English speaker and only have a rudimentary understanding of Japanese, but I can try to speak on behalf of what honorifics **feel** like in English.
"San" is usually translated as "Mr.", since it implies a small level of formality, at least a little bit above no honorific at all. From there, "Sama" is more respectful, so it's usually translated as "Master", since that's the easiest higher level of respect for an American English speaker to understand. One might translate "Stark-sama" as "Sir Stark", but that's not something that people say in modern English.
Translating it as "Mr. Stark" makes sense on paper, but then we have a new problem: how do we translate 'Stark-san"? There's nothing in English between "Mr. Stark" and "Stark". So we're sort of stuck.
The usual English translation for honorifics goes:
Stark -> Stark
Stark-san -> Mr. Stark
Stark-sama -> Master Stark
You're right when you say that "Master Stark" is a weird translation, but it's kind of the best system we've settled on over the years. There's definitely a lot of other ways to translate honorifics, so it's pretty messy.
Flamme in german means 1. a bright light or fire
2. the bright light of something burning, from my own research on Internet.
Love that! It suits her both in appearance and in personality!
So much to cover... First: Great job getting through this episode. I'm going to cover a few things:
1. Why are Demons monsters?
2. Demons and Human Psychology (Survival vs Empathy)
3. Demons and other species
4. Resurgence of demonic activity
1. Why are Demons considered monsters? Demons are monsters not just because they eat humans, but because they are fundamentally psychotic. They do not possess the ability of empathy. They do not form emotional attachments. That's why everything to them is either food/threat or... well, NOTHING. Even for humans, serial killers are psychotic. They do not see people as people, they treat people like objects they are typically emotionless, and do not feel guilt or remorse, and we call those humans also monsters. They have no concept of community or compassion or relationships (emotional attachment.) Our personal response of "but what if" regarding demons is not a sign of weakness, but just the fact that humans fundamentally crave community and are typically willing to give the benefit of the doubt, even when they shouldn't.
2. Demons and Human Psychology. Demons are smart enough to detect a threat, so they will either appease the threat or kill it. In the case of the demon child, she ate the child in order to sate her appetite, and she killed the chief in order to eliminate the "ownership" of the chief's daughter, in order to appease the parents of the dead child. Sympathy, empathy, compassion, these are all foreign concepts to demons,which is further elaborated on in Episode 10. Anyway, the demon child was supposed to illustrate that humans can't stop wanting to humanize and empathize with a specie that will stop at nothing to either kill/eat or appease humans. To a demon, it's not lying or deceiving, it's achieving a goal. For instance, to hack into a very secure installation, a hacker will employ "soft" infiltration tactics, meaning the manipulate human psychology to achieve their objective. It's the same with demons.
3. Demons vs Other Species (Elveds/Dwarves). This isn't really a spoiler, and it isn't stated explicitly in the manga as of yet, but the demons genocided Elves and Dwarves on the orders of the Demon King, who foresaw that these two extremely talented species could and would stand against the survival of demon kind. We learn more about this in Episode 10, and what Eisen said about his own village. These were targeted extermination attacks.
4. Why did is tehre a resurgence of demonic activity? You already hit that nail on the head - it's because Himmel died. They were afraid of Himmel, but since his death, they've been actively gaining power, which figures greatly in the arc after what's known as the Demon Infiltration Arc (the one you're in now).
Wow you are the first person who touch upon the biological moral difference and the implication on Human-Demon relations. Most reactors just thought this means they are "Pure Evil™". but in actuality, demons being very powerful and like eating human was just the cause of animosity between the two species; it's the the fundamental biological difference between the two species resulting in a complete different moral groundwork and paradigm that result in continuous hostility.
You will love the big demon arc that explore more of this concept but sadly it will probably be in season 3 orso.
NO WAY!! YESSSS Can't wait for more seasons to come! What a fascinating development! Of course we want to avoid spoilers as much as possible, but based on how some people were talking about demons in the comments, I was starting to think maybe we were off the mark by sympathizing with them as an "alien" species completely different from our own. Cool to hear that others agree! Also thanks for appreciating us! That means so much 🙏
It won't be in season 1 of Frieren but in season 2 demons will play bigger role and demons will be explained even more.
YESSSSSSS SO EXCITED FOR SEASON 2 (hope it comes soon 😭🤞)
Some ppl just feel better when they shown they are more familiar on an anime and try to keep saying other shouldn't miss the "details" (which they not even the one who create it)
For those ppl it's ok if you just giving a remind on the detail like sharing a fun fact, but not making people need to apologize even watching an anime, we are watching anime for relax, not for writing a report.
That's so sweet man, you're too kind 🥹
I've followed a half-dozen different reactors to Frieren (and sampled and dropped double that) - the most enjoyable ones for me are the ones where the reactors are able to understand what's happening in the episode correctly, and also really express themselves to the episodes, crying, swearing, being amazed or upset. If not pausing results in missing what is being said, you should pause, no viewers I'd care about should be watching the episodes for the first time in a reaction video IMO. It feels most natural to me to pause when the reaction is more than a sentence and would cause the next few lines of dialog to be missed, but I think it's better to keep very long reactions of a few minutes or more to the end to not disrupt the flow that much. There's also something to be said for not pausing every 10 seconds and letting some scenes play out fully so you can be more expressive in your reactions, where breaking up the scene too much may lessen the impact of it.
Who do you like? I liked Joe the most.
@@jaideepshekhar4621 I checked and tried his first episode and didn't go any further! Maybe I'll give him another shot since you are putting him up there now. I actually do really enjoy Cuddling in Carnage here a lot, but if I had to throw another one out there for you, I'd give it to storieswithstyle - what that reactor brings to the table is their German ancestry - all the names/towns in Frieren (well almost all) are German and are designed around the German definition of the word, so being native in German he provides more knowledge about that than most streams. He also tried to do a few deep dives in to the symbolism and meanings of the characters/themes that is interesting too.
Someone has probably already pointed this out but every single name in this series has a German translation that is meaningful to the character/thing.
Lügner means Liar. If I was half as good with manipulation as he is I would've gotten away with so much shit
Haha! Wouldn't we all! He had me fooled for a second. Excited to meet new characters and learn what their names mean as well!
Absolutely. Pause and back up as necessary. I want to see your reaction to the shows and it is hard to get that when in trying to share thoughts your miss a lead up or follow through on dialog.
I vote for pausing and rewinding as necessary.
the only reason to really be concerned over pausing is if you were doing timer based reactions and wanted to accomodate those who are watching along, but since some video is being shown that shouldnt be a problem, and feel free to pause or go back as much as you want
You make a good point, thank you!
I vote for the pausing thing, but only if you feel confortable with it.
Watch the show however you want to watch it. This is your reaction, and as you've said before, the point is not to watch the show, it's to see your commentary on it. On the other hand, don't worry too much about details that you're missing. I've watched this show multiple times and I still pick up on new details sometimes. There's no way you can take it all in with a single viewing.
Thank you so much! You're so sweet! 🥹💖
I generally prefer not to pause in the middle of a story.
However, I see you guys often get so absorbed in the content of your comments that you miss or fail to hear the important or sensitive parts of the story that are going on in the meantime.
So I think it's better to pause when you feel that what you are talking about is about to develop.
That's a very balanced take! Thank you so much! It is easy to get distracted when you have a friend to talk to while watching a show 😅 Even when we're not on camera, we're not really the type of people to silently watch media, unless we're at the movie theaters.
I don´t understand the concept of the "reacters"... they pause, they mute... they mute and pause even the opening and in this 53 minutes upload they are talking 53 minutes.
The English subtitles of the series are weak but it´s impossible to watch another version concurrently because all the pauses and the unknown speeding of the video.
The best way would to mark the scenes instead of interrupting, the most questions get answered a few minutes later and the rest they could discuss at the end.
It's oke to pause when you talk about the point in the scene
This story is basically based on Tolkien's The Hobbit and Lord Of The Rings. Humans basically live like we do, at most a hundred years or so. Dwarves for around 300 years, but elves are immortals. They are born and grow to full adulthood like a human in 20-30 years then just stop aging at all. The elves don't die of old age, they just keep living unless they are killed by physical damage to their bodies. They don't reproduce much because they are immortals. In Tolkien for instance, Arwin was 3000 years old when she and Aragorn got married at the end of Lord Of The Rings. So like humans, Elves have children, but they only have a child every so often. Maybe as few as one every 2 to 3 thousand years.
Right, because Tolkien exclusively created the fantasy genre.
@@lalalarose8197 I mean, yeah, he basically codified it. 99% of fantasy since his work was directly influenced by his work.
That's so interesting, thank you! I had a basic idea of Tolkien's fantasy creatures because his stories were unbelievably influential, but I didn't know the more specific details. 300 years for dwarves is still a long time compared to humans, but based on how Frieren and the others were talking, I thought Eisen would live a lot longer. This is what I get for not watching Lord of the Rings with my dad when I was little. I just don't think I was ready for a 3 hour and 30 minute long movie when I was 6 yrs old 😅
@@CuddlinginCarnage lol, certainly worth watching the LOTRs. They're great fantasy epics
just read the damn subtitles 😴
BRO we're trying but we're illiterate 😭😭
2 or 3 pauses is ok, any more and it's a bit annoying imo. Rewinding is automatically annoying to me because I watch anime alone and fully focus. But if you're watching with other people it makes sense I guess.
Completely understand where you're coming from. I used to find it a little annoying when reaction channels missed details, but now that I'm doing it myself and have a camera in front of me as well as a friend to talk to, I realized how much easier it is to get distracted than when you're just watching a show by yourself 😅
We'll try our best to find a good balance! And we're always open to suggestions ☺️