I was a photojournalist in the film age before digital. I have no problem using film for photojournalism work. I also now use a digital camera now a Sony A77. Film is not all artistic, but you do get a different look from film. You can shoot film and overexpose it but it doesn’t work for digital. But you can under expose digital but not film and get good images. So it depends on the look you want. I can’t get the look I get with film using digital. Digital allows me to shoot more than 36 exposures.also my film camera doesn’t need batteries. I can get a shot regardless of whether or not I can recharge the batteries. I’ve been on a shoot and batteries die on my camera. And I was an army photographer and in a war zone you can’t always get to an electrical outlet that works or a generator. Digital cameras have to be recharged after each use. Film cameras don’t. You can always get the shot using a film camera. I carried at least two to three cameras with me. With one camera that is mechanically operated that the battery is only for the light meter. Cold can affect the battery and die on you in on assignment. In Desert Storm we used Nikonos V underwater cameras as a backup because the desert sands were recking the cameras. My primary camera finally died because of the sand but not the Nikonos V. I would use both digital and film to do photojournalism work today. It could be the director or writers wanted to show all aspects of photography not just digital. I was envious of my bosses Canon F-1 camera to the Minolta X700 I used. Was his camera better? Yes,no ? No it wasn’t, it’s the photographer that takes the picture. I got awards for my photography work. So my camera was good enough.
So digital is artistic and not film is what you are saying? That's funny because most digital photographers try to make their photos look like film as well as using film simulations.
I was the Boy Scout with a camera my Scout Master was the Editor of the Richmond News Leader my father was the station master of the C&O railroad when two hurricanes hit my photo’s of the flood it caused was run on the wire services I was 14. I never stopped shooting with film but also have digital cameras
Tarsem’s The Fall is a great tale and an endless stream of inspirational visual spectaculars - I love it. When you’ve shot in so many of these locations yourself, it’s a delight to see how well they are presented here. When you see the burn rate - some of the scenes are only with us for a few seconds but they would have cost thousands to create - its not surprising there wasn’t enough money left to smooch the critics needed to earn it an Academy Award or an Oscar. Frankly, I’m glad the money was spent on making the film. And I know of no film that makes better use of Beethoven’s Symphony No. 7 Op. 92 II. Allegretto. Find it and see it on the biggest screen you can.
The Fall is truly a one of a kind film. Glad you mentioned that one, as I saw it with a dear friend who is no longer with us. Let's see...oh, "Salvador", James Woods plays a war photojournalist. Intense.
Jessie using a film camera was briefly addressed in the movie; basically she took whatever camera was available. The camera she's using she borrowed from her grandfather or her dad, I forget which, but that's why she's shooting film.
The Fall is one of those movies i blind rented from block buster back in the day and it is something that has stuck with me ever since. I just love that all the characters in her head are not just the limited pool of faces she knows but also are in the cultural understand she has a fresh off the boat immigrant that has no frame of reference for the story he is telling her. The "Indian brave" he mention becomes a Sikh warrior, the classic American cowboy is more of a zorro character. I can't tell you how many times i have tried to explain this movie to friends and they don't even believe me that it is real. This and roman coppola's CQ have always been hidden gems of the video store era long past. Actually you really could work CQ into this series pretty well.
Speaking of Lee Miller. Kate Winslet portrayed her in Lee. Kodachrome. 1 hour photo. Proof. Fur. Welcome to Marwen. Finding Vivian Maier. I have not seen those yet. But ones I have seen and recommend Is. Smoke, Autofocus, Photographing Fairies, Public Eye.Dirty pictures. High Art. The Killing Fields.
Agreed, Photographing Fairies is another great tale, made more palatable if time is just an illusion, It beautifully shot, right through to the end - loved it.
Possibly the one example you overlooked was blowup. I think that was classic and enticed many to contemplate a career in photography . It also suggested issues of spies and other big brother concepts .
@@thirtyfiveeyes The Read Window. One of the neat things is all the little bits of action going on that technically don't have anything to do with the plot but are interesting little things nonetheless like if you look through that passageway under the building across the common area there, there's a water truck spraying the street down and kids chasing that to have the water spray them to cool down a bit in the summer heat. Those little things make Hitchcock movies. BTW, that scene in America Graffiti where Kurt (played by Richard Dreyfuss) was sneaking up on that police car, the director had some very Hitchcockian touches in that scene.
I worked as a photojournalist for 23 years, began with b&w film, then went to color and finished in the digital age. I was shooting with film when I was assigned to photograph the Northridge, CA earthquake in 1994. It was nightmare finding an open 1 hour photo lab to process the film, scan the negatives, and transmit the photos using a dial up modem (does anyone know what these things are?). It would take up to half an hour PER PHOTO to transmit the 7 megabyte files to the newspaper lab in Central California. I don't know of any photojournalist currently working who would use a film camera, obviously not if it was for deadline, which is what photojournalists do. If it was for magazine work, or something not urgently needed, then perhaps. FYI, it also bugs me that Kirsten Dunst's not using a lens hood on her camera... Yes, "The Fall" is a sumptuous and ambitious film. The B&W opening sequence was incredible. The young actress was amazing, and the stunt man - the victim of "the fall" - was one of the most sympathetic protagonists to grace a screen in many years. He was pitch perfect. It was like a bit of a travelogue, with all the exotic and unique locations featured in the film. A major criticism of the film is the use of footage tribe of men (maybe Indonesia or Cambodia?) doing a massive push-pull in unison as they chant and click during what appears to be a ritual. My criticism is that he used an alternate take of the footage that was used in the 1999 documentary film, "Baraka," directed and shot by Ron Fricke, the cinematographer for the groundbreaking film, "Koyaanisqatsi." Perhaps the most distinctive film (series) that evokes fine photography, IMHO, is that of the NETFLIX limited series, "Ripley," with cinematography by Robert Elswit. It looks like a Henri Cartier-Bresson photograph in every frame.
Another one out of left field is a 1929 movie called A Throw of Dice an Indian-German production directed by Franz Osten who was a trained photographer. Each frame is meticulously composed and shot.
Civil War was very entertaining, and as someone who started out with my dad’s old Nikon, I got why the aspiring photographer would use it. Damn thing is a tank. But there is no way she was developing decent pictures in the field. The one scene they were developing rolls in the stadium and it took me right out of the moment, and there was no way she could get shots off as fast as they did with that Nikon. Realism aside, it is a good film. Probably wouldn’t irk me so much if they weren’t going for realism. Probably my favourite film with photography as a central component was John Waters’ Pecker. You mentioned it in a past video so I know you’ll get to it. Just damn funny and weirdly heartwarming in that celebrate your freak way Waters has. Years ago I watched a doc on Nobuyoshi Araki called Tokyo Noise. Another one for your list is Love Exposure, about an Up-Skirt photographer taking down a cult. Weird weird film. Thanks for the great recommendations! Going to watch The Fall now!
Film has made a big comeback. Kodak had to hire 24/7 shifts because they could not keep up with the demand. Harmon just came out with a color film as well as others. Many film labs are opening up and 2 new film cameras came out this year.
As a younger semi professional photographer shooting with a film body is significantly more accessible than getting a digital body, I got my f4 for about £120, even an entry level semi pro dslr like a d750 will set me back 3 times that. I can make my expenses back shooting film pretty easily, but I just don't have the lump sum to invest in a decent dslr.
Documentary- Under an Arctic Sky- group of surfers search for the perfect wave and the perfect shot in Iceland. Watching it always makes me feel like I am young again, and on a road trip with friends. This is really a documentary, about making a documentary in a way.
If you think of the cameras they are using as direct metaphor for the media land scape you can see them as new and old media. One is always ready to go at the touch of a button for however long you want to consume it. The other is slow to print, limited in its scale, and has to be picker about what it captures (or publishes). The new media seems better in almost every way, but it is also open to manipulation, editing, misappropriation. The old media is slower but it is ground and physical. It cares about its history as much as the story and presentation of it. It does not just capture and amass info meant only for consumption. ITs about the short and long view of the characters and their intent towards the job. You could also see it as someone who is stuck in a role and no longer views the meaning in it other than in the hear and now, vs someone new who's steps are all meaningful and foundational. Each frame feeling important like film vs data on a memory card.
Lots of heavy hitters and realistic stories there! For something less realistic and more about the attitude and message, would 100% mention the Secret Life Of Walter Mitty.
Movies- DAGUERROTYPE, GARRY WINOGRAND documentary, LAST FILM SHOW about film in theaters before digital takes over, THE SALT OF THE EARTH about a famous South American photographer, SPEEDGRAPHER anime about war photographer, NWO journalist (mature audience), ALICE IN THE CITIES about a german writer photographing a road trip in America.
Film is cheaper in the short run, meaning if you're poor and cannot have access to any material, 30dollars a roll (includind dev) but with well taken care images wouldn't be as much of an economic strain as thousands for a modern body and lens combo. As for symbolism, my take is youth art has some inherent taste for getting dirty while working, givnig value through implication, while seasoned artists lift off that view at some point and value making more of what they KNOW is good enough for themselves as a result of their work.
@@thevoiceman6192 If they used the images from a digital camera, they would be in color and more clear. By her using a film camera, the images could plausibly be in black and white, grainy and reminiscent of classic photojournalism photos.
@@johnnavitsky7273 So they can't change that with digital images in photoshop? Digital photographers try and make digital photographs look like film in post anyway.
I really don't mind if someone these days uses film professionally. But I've said it and I'll say it agin, shooting and developing film and than scanning the damn thing for use in daily news these days is suicidal. I've done it back in the days course there wasn't any other way, but today... NOT for the money I'm getting, just saying... BTW still no "Under fire" ? 😉
I was a photojournalist in the film age before digital. I have no problem using film for photojournalism work. I also now use a digital camera now a Sony A77. Film is not all artistic, but you do get a different look from film. You can shoot film and overexpose it but it doesn’t work for digital. But you can under expose digital but not film and get good images. So it depends on the look you want. I can’t get the look I get with film using digital. Digital allows me to shoot more than 36 exposures.also my film camera doesn’t need batteries. I can get a shot regardless of whether or not I can recharge the batteries. I’ve been on a shoot and batteries die on my camera. And I was an army photographer and in a war zone you can’t always get to an electrical outlet that works or a generator. Digital cameras have to be recharged after each use. Film cameras don’t. You can always get the shot using a film camera. I carried at least two to three cameras with me. With one camera that is mechanically operated that the battery is only for the light meter. Cold can affect the battery and die on you in on assignment. In Desert Storm we used Nikonos V underwater cameras as a backup because the desert sands were recking the cameras. My primary camera finally died because of the sand but not the Nikonos V. I would use both digital and film to do photojournalism work today. It could be the director or writers wanted to show all aspects of photography not just digital. I was envious of my bosses Canon F-1 camera to the Minolta X700 I used. Was his camera better? Yes,no ? No it wasn’t, it’s the photographer that takes the picture. I got awards for my photography work. So my camera was good enough.
shooting music venues digi is better than film which you never know until you know if you got the shot.......running out of film
So digital is artistic and not film is what you are saying? That's funny because most digital photographers try to make their photos look like film as well as using film simulations.
I was the Boy Scout with a camera my Scout Master was the Editor of the Richmond News Leader my father was the station master of the C&O railroad when two hurricanes hit my photo’s of the flood it caused was run on the wire services I was 14. I never stopped shooting with film but also have digital cameras
Tarsem’s The Fall is a great tale and an endless stream of inspirational visual spectaculars - I love it. When you’ve shot in so many of these locations yourself, it’s a delight to see how well they are presented here.
When you see the burn rate - some of the scenes are only with us for a few seconds but they would have cost thousands to create - its not surprising there wasn’t enough money left to smooch the critics needed to earn it an Academy Award or an Oscar. Frankly, I’m glad the money was spent on making the film. And I know of no film that makes better use of Beethoven’s Symphony No. 7 Op. 92 II. Allegretto.
Find it and see it on the biggest screen you can.
I'm a fan of a movie called "5 broken cameras" lots to unpack with this movie, very relevant in 2024.
some film that you know wat happens constant
The Fall is truly a one of a kind film. Glad you mentioned that one, as I saw it with a dear friend who is no longer with us.
Let's see...oh, "Salvador", James Woods plays a war photojournalist. Intense.
Jessie using a film camera was briefly addressed in the movie; basically she took whatever camera was available. The camera she's using she borrowed from her grandfather or her dad, I forget which, but that's why she's shooting film.
The Fall is one of those movies i blind rented from block buster back in the day and it is something that has stuck with me ever since. I just love that all the characters in her head are not just the limited pool of faces she knows but also are in the cultural understand she has a fresh off the boat immigrant that has no frame of reference for the story he is telling her. The "Indian brave" he mention becomes a Sikh warrior, the classic American cowboy is more of a zorro character. I can't tell you how many times i have tried to explain this movie to friends and they don't even believe me that it is real. This and roman coppola's CQ have always been hidden gems of the video store era long past. Actually you really could work CQ into this series pretty well.
Speaking of Lee Miller. Kate Winslet portrayed her in Lee. Kodachrome. 1 hour photo. Proof. Fur. Welcome to Marwen. Finding Vivian Maier. I have not seen those yet. But ones I have seen and recommend Is. Smoke, Autofocus, Photographing Fairies, Public Eye.Dirty pictures. High Art. The Killing Fields.
Agreed, Photographing Fairies is another great tale, made more palatable if time is just an illusion, It beautifully shot, right through to the end - loved it.
Possibly the one example you overlooked was blowup. I think that was classic and enticed many to contemplate a career in photography . It also suggested issues of spies and other big brother concepts .
Watch part one to hear me discuss Blow Up: ua-cam.com/video/b9q3alPxV5A/v-deo.htmlsi=XXXBFUWyW_ZEv2Xa
@@thirtyfiveeyes The Read Window. One of the neat things is all the little bits of action going on that technically don't have anything to do with the plot but are interesting little things nonetheless like if you look through that passageway under the building across the common area there, there's a water truck spraying the street down and kids chasing that to have the water spray them to cool down a bit in the summer heat. Those little things make Hitchcock movies.
BTW, that scene in America Graffiti where Kurt (played by Richard Dreyfuss) was sneaking up on that police car, the director had some very Hitchcockian touches in that scene.
@@thirtyfiveeyes Actually, the Shia movie is reminiscent of The Rear Window since The Rear Window was first.
I worked as a photojournalist for 23 years, began with b&w film, then went to color and finished in the digital age. I was shooting with film when I was assigned to photograph the Northridge, CA earthquake in 1994. It was nightmare finding an open 1 hour photo lab to process the film, scan the negatives, and transmit the photos using a dial up modem (does anyone know what these things are?). It would take up to half an hour PER PHOTO to transmit the 7 megabyte files to the newspaper lab in Central California. I don't know of any photojournalist currently working who would use a film camera, obviously not if it was for deadline, which is what photojournalists do. If it was for magazine work, or something not urgently needed, then perhaps. FYI, it also bugs me that Kirsten Dunst's not using a lens hood on her camera...
Yes, "The Fall" is a sumptuous and ambitious film. The B&W opening sequence was incredible. The young actress was amazing, and the stunt man - the victim of "the fall" - was one of the most sympathetic protagonists to grace a screen in many years. He was pitch perfect. It was like a bit of a travelogue, with all the exotic and unique locations featured in the film. A major criticism of the film is the use of footage tribe of men (maybe Indonesia or Cambodia?) doing a massive push-pull in unison as they chant and click during what appears to be a ritual. My criticism is that he used an alternate take of the footage that was used in the 1999 documentary film, "Baraka," directed and shot by Ron Fricke, the cinematographer for the groundbreaking film, "Koyaanisqatsi."
Perhaps the most distinctive film (series) that evokes fine photography, IMHO, is that of the NETFLIX limited series, "Ripley," with cinematography by Robert Elswit. It looks like a Henri Cartier-Bresson photograph in every frame.
Another one out of left field is a 1929 movie called A Throw of Dice an Indian-German production directed by Franz Osten who was a trained photographer. Each frame is meticulously composed and shot.
Civil War was very entertaining, and as someone who started out with my dad’s old Nikon, I got why the aspiring photographer would use it. Damn thing is a tank. But there is no way she was developing decent pictures in the field. The one scene they were developing rolls in the stadium and it took me right out of the moment, and there was no way she could get shots off as fast as they did with that Nikon. Realism aside, it is a good film. Probably wouldn’t irk me so much if they weren’t going for realism.
Probably my favourite film with photography as a central component was John Waters’ Pecker. You mentioned it in a past video so I know you’ll get to it. Just damn funny and weirdly heartwarming in that celebrate your freak way Waters has.
Years ago I watched a doc on Nobuyoshi Araki called Tokyo Noise.
Another one for your list is Love Exposure, about an Up-Skirt photographer taking down a cult. Weird weird film.
Thanks for the great recommendations! Going to watch The Fall now!
Checking out you favorite movie..you showed.a few shot and it hooked me in
Kodachrome with Ed Harris as a photographer is interesting too
“Under Fire” Nick Nolte, Gene Hackman and Joanna Cassidy. Also “Salvador” with James Woods.
Interesting list (both part 1 +2). A Thousand Times Goodnight by Erik Poppe is also a movie I'd recommend to anyone interested in photography.
Another interesting film is 84c Mopic from 1989. It features a 16mm combat cameraman in Vietnam.
A favorite of mine is a made for TV movie called Frankie's House. It chronicles the life of Vietnam war photographer Tim Page, this a must see
I love The Fall. Great great visuals
Rumble Fish (1983). Pause the film just about anywhere and you're looking at a portfolio worthy still.
Been on my watchlist for quite some time. I’ll have to check it out soon.
REALLY!......i concur!
Film has made a big comeback. Kodak had to hire 24/7 shifts because they could not keep up with the demand. Harmon just came out with a color film as well as others. Many film labs are opening up and 2 new film cameras came out this year.
As a younger semi professional photographer shooting with a film body is significantly more accessible than getting a digital body, I got my f4 for about £120, even an entry level semi pro dslr like a d750 will set me back 3 times that. I can make my expenses back shooting film pretty easily, but I just don't have the lump sum to invest in a decent dslr.
Documentary- Under an Arctic Sky- group of surfers search for the perfect wave and the perfect shot in Iceland. Watching it always makes me feel like I am young again, and on a road trip with friends. This is really a documentary, about making a documentary in a way.
You should have a link to Part 01. Tried to find but much hassle...
If you think of the cameras they are using as direct metaphor for the media land scape you can see them as new and old media. One is always ready to go at the touch of a button for however long you want to consume it. The other is slow to print, limited in its scale, and has to be picker about what it captures (or publishes). The new media seems better in almost every way, but it is also open to manipulation, editing, misappropriation. The old media is slower but it is ground and physical. It cares about its history as much as the story and presentation of it. It does not just capture and amass info meant only for consumption. ITs about the short and long view of the characters and their intent towards the job. You could also see it as someone who is stuck in a role and no longer views the meaning in it other than in the hear and now, vs someone new who's steps are all meaningful and foundational. Each frame feeling important like film vs data on a memory card.
Chinatown is an underrated classic. Please watch
Lots of heavy hitters and realistic stories there! For something less realistic and more about the attitude and message, would 100% mention the Secret Life Of Walter Mitty.
Salvador with James Woods. The Bang Bang Club.
U should watch City of God, photography isnt the main focus but the story is narrated by a photographer
Bernardo Bertolucci movies 1900 and The Last Emperor
Rebecca Blake provided the images for the Eyes of Laura Mars ,not Helmut Newton
Nice work! Y'all ever see Nightcrawler?
I think tree of life with Brad Pitt is a photographers movie. Cinematography-wise
Great job
No one mentioned "The Bang Bang Club"
(2010)?
this film based on true story and i highly recommend it!
In the thumbnail of Faye Dunaway holding the camera she looks like an exact 50/50 mix of Jodie Foster and Sigourney Weaver.
Movies- DAGUERROTYPE, GARRY WINOGRAND documentary, LAST FILM SHOW about film in theaters before digital takes over, THE SALT OF THE EARTH about a famous South American photographer, SPEEDGRAPHER anime about war photographer, NWO journalist (mature audience), ALICE IN THE CITIES about a german writer photographing a road trip in America.
Checkout Kodachrome 🤘🏽
Watch the movie Salvador with James Wood.
Check out Under Fire with Nick Nolte and Gene Hackman!
I saw Civil war in the cinema and it was a hard watch as it is was so intense, reminding me of my time in situation of conflict and refugees camps,
under fire AFTER WATCHING REAL EVENTS IN REAL TIME IT HAS A PLACE
Film is cheaper in the short run, meaning if you're poor and cannot have access to any material, 30dollars a roll (includind dev) but with well taken care images wouldn't be as much of an economic strain as thousands for a modern body and lens combo. As for symbolism, my take is youth art has some inherent taste for getting dirty while working, givnig value through implication, while seasoned artists lift off that view at some point and value making more of what they KNOW is good enough for themselves as a result of their work.
A Ghost Story это просто прекрасная операторская работа. и я фотограф. так что это моё мнение и этот фильм для меня вдохновение...
A film that deals with society breaking down is Bang Bang Club. Set in South Africa at the end of apartheid
The use of a film camera is to provide an excuse to use images that evoke classic photojournalism, black and white, grain and high contrast.
Excuse?
@@thevoiceman6192 A reason. Basically a McGuffin.
@@johnnavitsky7273 And a digital camera is not an excuse to use?
@@thevoiceman6192 If they used the images from a digital camera, they would be in color and more clear. By her using a film camera, the images could plausibly be in black and white, grainy and reminiscent of classic photojournalism photos.
@@johnnavitsky7273 So they can't change that with digital images in photoshop? Digital photographers try and make digital photographs look like film in post anyway.
Tarkovskis Stalker
The last one also doesn't have anything to do with photography, it should not be here either.
3 more great movies: A Private War 2018, A Thousend Times Goodnight 2013 and new in the cinema: LEE 2024
Excellent suggestions! Thank you so much!
I really don't mind if someone these days uses film professionally. But I've said it and I'll say it agin, shooting and developing film and than scanning the damn thing for use in daily news these days is suicidal. I've done it back in the days course there wasn't any other way, but today... NOT for the money I'm getting, just saying...
BTW still no "Under fire" ? 😉
Definitely Peeping Tom