10 Movies All Photographers Should Watch!
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Night Of The Hunter.
• The Night of the Hunter
All That Heaven Allows.
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12 Angry Men.
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The Naked Island.
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The Red Desert.
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Pharaoh.
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Woman Under The Influence.
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Harlan County, USA.
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Paris, Texas.
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In The Mood For Love.
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Video Breakdown
00:00 Intro.
01:06 Night Of The Hunter.
02:32 All That Heaven Allows.
04:35 12 Angry Men.
05:59 The Naked Island.
07:39 Red Desert.
09:30 MPB Segment.
10:44 Pharaoh.
11:44 Woman Under The Influence.
12:51 Harlan County, USA.
14:31 Paris, Texas.
15:44 In The Mood For Love.
17:05 Outro.
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10 Movies All Photographers Should Watch.
By Tatiana Hopper
April 2024
#movies #photography #filmmaking #filmmaker - Фільми й анімація
📌 What movies would you like to add to this list?
“Limbo” - Ben Sharrock
“Beginning”
“Call me by your name”
“It follows”
Not the best movies in the world but visually and compositionally gifted
"Goodbye Dragon Inn" - Tsai Ming-Liang
"Stalker" and "The Mirror" - Andrei Tarkovsky
"The Spirit of the Beehive" - Víctor Erice
(and many others!)
Anything Fritz Lang is great (subtract the late years of his career).
@@DecentGatsbywill check them out!
@@leplastiloved the last 3 movies you quoted, I’m not sure if I watched the first one, Victor Erice’s work is severely underrated!
The Third Man by Orson Wells-some amazing cinematography and lighting. Every frame is an incredible photo on its own. The use of the Dutch Tilt is remarkable.
Agreed!
Honestly, you should create a channel just about movies and filmmaking you really really know how to talk about them and I could actually see you as a critic kind of an Anthony Fantano of movies ahah
This!
Hmm that’s not a bad idea at all! 🫡 fantano of movies had me laughing haha
Just do it on this channel lots of photographers really appreciate storytelling through composition and cinematography
Cheung King Express! I just shot a scene recreation assignment for a group assignment in moving image class. What an exercise in lighting. Our production was very successful. looking forward to actually watching the whole film, after intently studying this one bar scene. Tatiana, as always, your channel is so excellent. I'm so grateful for what you do! Cheers!
Not a movie but a series, I would add Ripley. Beautiful cinematography.
Man oh man! I watched that last weekend and I wanted to make a video on it, so good!
The look is the only reason I've gotten through 4 episodes so far. The story is dragging.
I actually really liked the slow burn style but I get it might be a bit too slow at times
@@TatianaHopper The first episode was a treat despite the slow setup, because of BW NYC was all working. Then we get to Italy and I'm torn a bit because I'm thinking about the possibility of warm colors. The inclusion of Caravaggio is pretty cool. Maybe because I watched the Damon movie and know the plot, I'm getting none of the suspense, and twice the dread? 😅
Ahah yeah I can see where you’re coming from. I actually didn’t watch the Damon version or at least not that I can remember, I remember watching a version with John Malkovich and another version with Alain Delon.
Paris Texas is one of the most beautiful movies ever made. It blindsided me and I haven’t been the same since. It also got me to discover Wim Wenders’ stand-alone photography. He has a photo book on the American West (because of course, Germans) that inspired me in my own photography. Great video.
In the Mood for Love also manages to use normal focal lengths while shooting in very tiny flats and spaces, without feeling claustrophobic, and coming up with strong compositions.
Great added piece of information! Thanks!
ua-cam.com/video/2h4MQ8zA_Vg/v-deo.htmlsi=kCwVOm_D9hMXf_Db this is a great video on choosing and using lenses. The Revenant all being shot on 12mm & 14mm lenses was astounding but i never felt it was strange or distorted reality when i saw it. It seemed very natural.
I'm so glad to have found you!
I keep telling beginner photographers to watch high quality films. Every frame you put up is so gorgeous!
The top directors and cinematographs are just something else. It's hard to even comprehend the level they're operating on.
i teach photography at a university here in Boston and the film I always recommend to students is "The Third Man" (1949). Amazing stuff.
Agreed, a great example! I decided not to include it because I had seen it always been referenced in many videos so I wanted to reference different movies :)
Yes indeed. Also, In the Heat of the Night.
I loved Paris, Texas!
So did I!
"Lucky " Homenaje a Harry Dean Stanton, Dirigida por el hijo de David Lynch, es una joya, te la recomiendo. Paris Texas es de mis preferidas también.
One film that I haven't seen mentioned anywhere under this video and which absolutely *has* to be seen if you're a photographer is _Himmel über Berlin,_ English adaptation is _Wings of Desire,_ by Wim Wenders. I posted about it in the analog subreddit back when I watched it myself and people were blown away!
Wings of Desire is a must I agree, I need to actually make a video about it, I loved it so much!
I just discovered your channel with the importance of the self portrait video. I can’t tell you how inspired I am with your beautiful videos. In a world where everyone seems to be all about equipment and being an influencer, your videos touch on more philosophical and deeper (in my opinion) topics of photography. Thank you so much for what you do, you inspire me to make a channel with a similar approach ❤
in the mood for love was everything . from the storyline as well as visually appealing :) it was perfect.
Wow! LOVE this video essay! I love the use of using films to illustrate ideas of lighting, color, blocking, composition, patterns, and camera movement. Great examples, with a few I haven't viewed yet, so added them to the must-watch list. Thank you, as always, Tatiana! 🙏
That’s the idea! Thank you so much for watching and all the best! 🤝🏻
One that always immediately comes to my mind is The lighthouse from 2019. Blaschke's cinematography is crazy beautiful. Literally every frame is a piece of art by itself.
Oh I loved Lighthouse! Absolutely stunning, agreed 👍🏻
the beauty of great film is that it is a series of individuale compositions that flow from one to the next. for me, my 'vision as I live my day is like a movie, where I seen moments or instants where I say, 'wait there's an image, wait there's an image to be captured. so life as it travels around me, I see it as a movie of still frames . an excellent selection for your presentation loved it as I totally can relate and have always promoted this
Great insight, thank you David!
Love your thinking..
12 Angry Men ,Rear Window, and Memories of Murder are my go to for framing.
Baraka is amazing, as is Samsara. Construted by "dozens of stills." I've watched it every year for many years.
Will check that one out!
Your suggestion is really inspiring and worth trying them in making still shots! It's always a handy idea to watch films and learning how innovatively lighting and composition are used to create mood interest drama and intent in almost every shot from sequence to sequence! But the matter has to be kept in mind that learning them photography from films gives us ideas to implement them to make still shots with limited scope of using the same technique single handedly because in films a lot of technicians are involved to get a desired effect and so also lightings use lamps like metal halides and vapour ones and they're super costly and unique to achieve startling effects which nearly impossible in studios of limited capacity space and wiring to have the effects of films but the essence could be maximized when you have limited light sources at hand with reflectors and soft boxes even with single light source! Moreover, the dark room part is indispensable for films while you can get away with without editing your still shots in editing software or darkroom if you are convinced that it's already taken care of while taking the picture!
great list,,,thx
Great video Tatiana, I have watched a few of these films in the past but the others I have not so I'll be searching for them and I'll be looking forward to the next in this series. Thank you I enjoyed this. ♥😎
Thank you so much for watching Rich! Yes look them up and give them a watch! :)
I love your videos. It's like school for stuff I actually love 😂 and you have such close taste to mine for pretty much everything!
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed and cheers for the feedback :)
You amaze me time after time again. Thank you!
Than you for watching!
Excellent. Thank you.
Thank you for watching!
Tatiana: thank you for this video (the first I've watched). Won Kar-wai: his movies are a delight for those visually oriented.
Agreed, I made a whole video about his movies linked somewhere along this video :)
I appreciate your work in general and especially in developing this very beneficial idea.
Thank you so much!
Great choices Tatiana. Not quite in this league as it’s sci-fi but I repeatedly watch Blade Runner 2049 for the amazing lighting (Roger Deakins take a bow). Simply superb and inspirational.
Agreed! I made a video on his photography (Roger Deakins) quite recently you might want to check it out!
Really good Tatiana! Thank you so much
Thank you so much for watching Tania!
Thank you for this, Tatiana.
Thank you for watching Scott!
Excellent video , I am also a fan of the movies that indeed have superb lighting , and evocative color , the moving composition , placement in a scene ... all are fascinating in the Art of image making or Photography.
Same fascination here! Thanks for watching!
I'd add the series Peaky Blinders to the list as well. It's cinematography is stunning.
Excellent list, Tatiana. A whole lotta photographic awe. Many favorites and works that are rarely mentioned that were great to see here in this list. I recently revisited The Black Stallion and Walkabout - both of which I find have some very strong and indelible imagery that could easily lend themselves to still photography.
Oh boy! I need to revisit those too because I genuinely don’t have many memories of them. I agree with you John! Hope you’ve been keeping well! 🤝🏻
Thank you Tatiana--I really enjoyed this. You may want to check out Road To Perdition. I'd love to know what you think.
Oh I watched it ages ago, I would have to watch it again to better remember and form an opinion, cheers!
Danish thriller “Terribly Happy” (“Frygtelig lykkelig”); every scene of the town and landscape would make a great print on a wall! And great use of close ups, light and shadow in interior/ people shots to build tension. Stunning cinematography.
Will check this one out, thank you for the recommendation!
@@TatianaHopper It's good. One of the main male characters played in the Danish/Swedish version of the Bridge which is a great series too.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned this movie - “RAN” by Akira Kurosawa. Each frame is a masterpiece
Oh yeah absolutely! I did a video on Akira Kurosawa already where I actually showed some scenes of it!
you nailed it every time again. i´m so happy found your channel in the youtube desert!
Thank you so much for sticking around 🙏🏻
I would also suggest Days of Heaven and Thin Red Line.
Great recommendations.Woman Under the Influence also reminded me of Nan Golden. For people who maybe have difficulty accessing classic movies but have Netflix and are into high-contrast black and white photography, the Ripley series is a must watch. Woman Under the Influence also reminded me of Nan Golden.
Yes loads of people recommending Ripley I watched it and really loved it. Also Amazon Prime has a huge catalogue of classic movies that they’ve been buying over the years :)
Feel like L'Avventura by Antonioni should've been chosen! So insanely well shot, every fame is beautiful, especially the early moments in the landscapes of the ocean
In The Mood for Love. A very very graphic movie that uses 50 and 85mm focal lenses in tiny spaces. Lots, lots of frames as well. A masterpiece.
Good points, I think of it as a masterpiece too.
"Lucky " Homenaje a Harry Dean Stanton, Dirigida por el hijo de David Lynch, es una joya, te la recomiendo. n The Mood for Love es de mis preferidas también.
I'd also recommend 'Paper Moon' (1973). Almost every scene is a beautifully composed photograph, the lighting is also incredible. Oh, great movie too.
Oh I watched it ages ago, loved it and loved that it was set in the 20s, feel like Ryan and Tatum were perfectly cast!
Daddy Daughter teams playing games, simple, complicated.
Fantastic video! One film that comes to mind is - Songs from the Second Floor, a Swedish film; the quirkiness inspires one to think outside the box.
Will have a look at that one! Thank you so much for watching and for the suggestion!
"Ida" is another movie with beautiful cinematopraphy.
Added to the list, loads of people recommending it!
Great video. Well done.
Thank you so much!
Great video!
Thank you for watching!
I love this!!! I wish that there were more film and photography crossovers
I’ve done a few more here on the channel you might want to check it out (linked in description)
@@TatianaHopper Thank you!!!! This is a real treat. You're amazing!
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Great movies! I would add "Ida" and "Pociąg" (Night train") as well.
I’ll look up the last, the first is already on my watching list :)
Not a film, but I found the cinematography of the series Mr. Robot quite inspirational.
Will give it a watch :)
Loved the composition of all the shots, the light, the colour. Definitely a subscribe from me.
Thank you for watching! There’s more filmmaking videos on the channel that you’re welcome to check out!
Good Night and Good luck. Beautifully shot in B+W.
At Eternity’s Gate (a very creative biopic about Vincent Van Gogh)
Will add them to my watchlist!
Great film choices
Thank you so much!
These are some solid choices Hopper, you know your game! Peace!
Thank you so much! 🤝🏻
I love "In the mood for love" Christopher Doyle is my favorite cinematographer. I without a doubt contribute his work with "In the mood for love" and "Hero" as to why I'm a photographer/videographer today.
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Great video, again.
Thank you so much!
In the Mood for Love is a gorgeously quiet film. I rather like the look of The Naked Island too - beautifully framed in the shots you’ve chosen.
Thank you, it’s really worth it in my opinion! :)
12 angry men, top 5 film for me, love it. I also thought the cinematography in Sicario was beautiful. The lighting in casino, whilst accentuated, was great.
I’ll check out sicario, I know it but I don’t think I’ve watched it yet!
I barely watch TV. But Ripley on netflix is a black and white photography treat and I enjoyed the story. Regards
Everyone is commenting that! I totally agree, I watched it and loved it :)
Very interesting video.
Thank you for watching!
Interesting view on these films 📷
Thank you!
Hi Tatjana, what a great selection! I actually still have to watch a few. Can I add “City of Angels”...
Thank you! I’ve watched that one ages ago, good movie from what I could remember :)
Have you seen Poor Things? A great movie for photographers too. Your content is always great and of course, your voice is so beautiful!
No! I’ll check that one out, thanks so much!
Roma by A.Cuaron. Masterpiece .
Great choices and insights.
So glad you included Night of the Hunter, which sadly was Charles Laughton's only directorial effort, but which is visually sublime and just right creepy.
I would perhaps add Orson Welles's Touch of Evil.
Have you seen La Jetée? It's a unique photography based cinematic experience, though not about photography.
OH!. I highly recommend watching the Netflix series Ripley. Every single frame is a visual treasure.
Great, as always.
Hi Fernando! Thank you for watching! Yes I know what I shake that this was Laughton’s only directorial effort. I wonder why!
Touch of Evil was on my list funny enough, so I definitely need to find a way of including it on the channel. I have watched La Jetée and a couple of other movies by Chris Marker. It’s not really my cup of tea but I appreciate them a whole lot and I know exactly what you’re talking about the cinematic experience is unique.
I watched Ripley last weekend and I loved it, right up my alley! Hope you keep well 🤝🏻
I'd add the movie "Following" to the list, which is Christopher Nolen's debut from 1988. It's in b/w and in 4:3 format, which adds a bit of nostalgia, although it's quite a recent production. But that's not the only reason why I like it. According to some film reviewers it's a Neo Noir movie, which I mildly disagree to. However, it has interesting lighting and low key scenes and the story is quite intriguing as well.
Will look it up! Thank you!
really interesting choices T 🙂
easy I know, but Tarantino is a cinematographer I admire. In particular Inglorious Basterds contains some fantastic imagery
Thank you Nick! I’m not a big fan but I appreciate his cinematography and why it’s good.
Good video you did here. As with the movie/film 'Night Of The Hunter', it was composed as photographs with moving figures. In 'All That Heaven Allows', Douglas Sirk and Russell Metty used technicolor to enhance the richness of the image. With '12 Angry Men', the audience is forced watch the jurors from different backgrounds and social classes locked within an enclosed space to decide a young man's fate. 'The Naked Island', we see a family go through the constant struggle of survival on island nearly forgotten by the rest of the world. Never heard of 'Red Desert', but because of the clips shown on here, perhaps I should watch it. With 'Pharaoh', it's the camera that's storyteller more than the director. Through it, we see that it's the high priests who had slowly stolen the power Egypt from the Pharaoh. Making him nothing more than a figure head. 'A Woman Under the Influence' directed by John Cassavetes is interesting, because Cassavetes often starred in other people's films/movies like 'Rosemary's Baby' to finance his independent character studies. By studying these movie/films and the others recommended, it may help improve our photography and/or filmmaking. Good job.
I would highly recommend Minamata.
Thank you! I’ve watched it and liked it a lot, I referenced it on my video about Eugene Smith :)
Paris, Texas was a wonderful choice. As for other films to consider--any Wes Anderson film, Days of Heaven, Barry Lyndon, The Shape of Water, Across the Universe. Wonderful topic
Great choices! Thank you Michael!
I loved Ida. Beautifully filmed in b&w. I believe it won best foreign film at the Oscars that year.
Thank you, it’s been on my list for ages!
Nice. A cinematographer I love for his range is Haskell Wexler who worked on Medium Cool, b&w in Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, did half of Malick's Days of Heaven, did the opening scene in Union Square in San Francisco for Coppola in The Conversation, Thomas Crown Affair, some of Cassavetes' Faces and more.
I don't know what category it goes in but Dreyer's restored b&w silent era The Passion of Joan of Arc can be considered as one of the greatest films ever made.
Yes to everything! I love Dreyer’s films. Thanks for watching and recommendations!
Tatiana, thank you for an insight and recommendations. I would like to suggest “Mirror” by Andrei Tarkovsky and “Teorema” by Pasolini
Yes excellent choices, watched them all!
I would put Fight Club on that list. Some of that cinematography was darkly beautiful.
Oh yeah, nearly forgot that classic!
Classic filmmakers not yet mentioned in the comments: Ozu (An Autumn Afternoon, Banshun), Dreyer (The Passion of Joan of Arc), Murnau (The Last Laugh, Sunrise). Taxi Driver (partly transparent windshields, colorful lights mirrored in wetness - cinematographers like Roger Deakins love that). Tropical Malady.
Agreed! I once watched a Dryer movie (very early one, quite religious, I can't recall the name) in a theatre with live piano music composed especially for the screening, it was an experience I'll never forget! I made a video about Deakin's photography, you might enjoy that!
Barry Lindon as well
Good choice of movies. One that I highly recommend is 'Far From Heaven' starring Dennis Haysbert and Julianne Moore. The story is interesting, but what's most important is the use of color in the lighting to aid the storytelling. It's definitely worth watching.
I feel like I recognise that title, I’ll investigate but thank you for watching and your recommendation!
@@TatianaHopper your welcome, I love your channel and I try to give a hand.
Thank you! 🙏🏻🙏🏻
Night of the hunter is an awesome movie. Good taste
Thank you! 🙏🏻
Godland (2022).
Probably the most beautiful film I have seen this century..
Interesting! Will add it to my list!
@@TatianaHopper I would love to hear your thoughts..
Also, Bait (2019), if it hasn't been mentioned.
Okay thank you for the suggestions!
Barry Lyndon 1975, one of the greatest achievements in photography/cinematography
I also would suggest Days of Heaven 1977 too by Terrance Malik
any Kubrick film though could be up here
Also I loved Mood for love.
And I don’t think films vs movie is a real thing. Most people in America, use them interchangeably, especially the ones interested in cinema
Got you, I just wanted to make sure I didn't confuse anyone watching :), cheers for those suggestions I agree with Days of Heaven and Barry Lyndon (the lighting techniques employed during the making of that movie were really ahead of its time and also the lenses were special from what I have read), cheers for watching!
Excellent! Merci!! nd: "By the Ways- A Journey with William Eggleston" (2006) Vincent Gerard | "Kodachrome" 2018 by Mark Raso | "Ivan le Terrible" 1944 Sergueï Eisenstein :)
Great! Out of those I’ve watched the last two! I really liked Ivan, The Terrible :)
I suggest you watch "The Man Who Wasn't There" a Coen Brothers masterpiece in B&W
Yes! I really liked it, beautiful cinematography!
Hey teacher many thanks for the great homework 😂.
Ahaha make sure you do it 😂
Amazing video as always Tatania! I also recommend checking out the use of colors and light in Three Colors: Blue (1993), dir. Krzysztof Kieslowski ;)
Thank you will check it out!
L'eclisse par Michelangelo Antonioni 1962
Yes!! And La Notte & L’avventura too
Oh man…Night of the Hunter. I watch simply because the cinematography mesmerizes me.
Cassavetes is a mastermind of visual arts. You should check out Opening Night if you haven't.
I did and I was between that and Woman Under The Influence to include in this list!
I think Maborosi wouldn't be out of place in a list like that :)
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You’ve shared a great video that inspires photographers and filmmakers . Like it was previously said, you could create a separate channel about film and film making.
Thank you Victor! I’ll definitely think about that! :)
Some wonderful inspiration here! I love Paris Texas and the films of Wong Kar Wai but was unfamiliar with some of the earlier suggestions. Thanks for the links. Its interesting that there have been critics of the current Netflix production Ripley, a new dramatisation of Patricia Highsmith's book(s), filmed in gorgeous (in my view) black and white, mainly set in Italy, with some lovely deep shadows, textures and rainy streets - the criticism of some being that the noir look is boring and tiring. For me, it couldn't be further from the truth but each to their own I guess!.
I’ve decided that I’m making a video on it, mostly I agree with what you said, I understand said criticism although for me is just clearly not a show for the average viewer, I feel that anyone engaging in visual arts / interested and appreciative of visuals will enjoy at least that. But the tone and pace is most definitely not for everyone.
@@TatianaHopper Yes you're probably right. The tone and slow pace is probably the main issue and then some people add in the noir look to the criticism. For me, slow "horror" (for want of a better word) is more awful than say a quick but violent scene. We know what's going to happen but can't change anything or look away.
Agreed!
Fantastic look at how the greats/pros made movies. Now our young generation can make movies with a camera that costs less than $800. Let's keep an eye out for them as they rise in the ranks.
Absolutely! Thank you so much for watching and let’s definitely keep an eye out!
Nowadays also series. I found the series Better Call Saul filled with photographically inspirational shots.
Interesting a lot of people are actually mentioning series so I might actually do a video like these on shows :)
@@TatianaHopper I'd love to see that!
Def recommend “Walter Mitty” . It gets right at the heart of why photography is so valuable and why you should get out there to experience the world
Will look it up!
@@TatianaHopper what!! You’ve never seen “the secret life of Walter mitty”??!? Oh you’re in for a treat. A movie about a lost 35mm negative and the introvert who sets out to find it!
I haven’t actually in all honesty I find Ben Stiller or maybe the characters he chooses to play very annoying in movies so I try to stay away from it.
Could it be that in the current context, True Detective and Dark (the webseries) also possess a concept noteworthy in terms of lighting aesthetics?
I actually agree, I wouldn’t say the same about the last season of True Detective, more so from the earlier seasons and Dark totally. I would recommend 1899 if you enjoyed Dark super good and very complex!
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Yes, I'm also agree on this. Apart from TD season 1 illustrated lots of Visual Composition, compared to other seasons.
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But reality is that, there are lots of Cinema. But we can't remember all of them. Such as an example,
Wim Wenders Perfect Days is bestest in this theoretical discussion.
Yes season one was the best, if you enjoy similar subjects I recommend mindhunter if you haven’t watched it already
Wim Wenders has so many wonderful movies both fiction and documentary, I also really liked Wings of Desire
its funny cause some think a "film" is more serious or for education like a documentary. Then they say a "movie" is for fun like a comedy, horror, action/adventure. Get the popcorn!
Yeah I wasn’t sure so I just made that note just in case 😅
@@TatianaHopper Like in school teacher would say we're going to watch a film today. Prepare to be educated 😆 idk
Thanks for this….
Thank you for watching!
Do you listen to The Team Deakins podcast Tatiana? Win Wenders was on this week.
But every episode is great!
I don’t actually, need to tune in! I like a podcast about movies and Hollywood called you must remember this.
@@TatianaHopper Cool,will add it to the list. Team Deakins is an incredible resource.
Thanks for the suggestion!
First! 🎉
Bagdad Café
Try Daunbailò by Italian actor and director Roberto Benigni
Will have a look, thanks!
Director Terrence Malick's films
I’m a big fan!
Sonatine (1993), don't be fooled by the trailer. I promise you, this movie is insanely good (artistically speaking), a true hidden gem.