Mystery Shell Cordovan Long Wing Blucher Before & After

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  • Опубліковано 24 сер 2024
  • In this video I clean up a filthy old pair of Shell Cordovan Long Wing Bluchers ("LWBs") that I picked up at a thrift store for a few bucks. I spent hours researching old catalogs, eBay, and a few websites that have documented various known Shell Cordovan model shoes to try and figure out who made these shoes. I then stripped whatever (old deteriorated wax?) was on the shoes, nourished the Shell, and polished them, then performed some minor repairs to get these shoes looking decent again.
    If you have any real knowledge as to the Maker/Manufacturer of these shoes please comment below! Someone out there must own shoes by the same maker! There are two numbers, one of which should be the model number: 419547, and another number which is either 6005 or 6035.
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  • @kpag3030
    @kpag3030 2 роки тому +6

    Before I watch this fully, I’m about 1:15 in and I can tell you already, 9 dollars is an insane steal for these shoes! The cats paw heel hasn’t been made since the 60’s and it’s shell cordovan. Definitely was resoled and probably a little more work on the inside, but it was probably over 50 years ago that it was done. Looks like vintage floorshiems or Alden’s possibly? The cats paw top lift may be a reproduction, but probably not considering how old the shoe looks overall. If you tried to duplicate those today, it’s an 800.00 shoe easily. Ok, let’s watch the video. Lol

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  2 роки тому +3

      LOL, yes, and I STILL don’t know who made them!

  • @ilgambino0784
    @ilgambino0784 5 років тому +8

    Robert you should upload an update video of your updated shoe collection. Waiting for it 💪🏻

  • @tomsmith4795
    @tomsmith4795 5 років тому +3

    Bob they look amazing!!! I love finding shell cordovan pairs in thrift stores. The average person has no idea what they looking at.
    Your videos are great. Keep up the good work.

  • @philschiavone101
    @philschiavone101 5 років тому +12

    Bob, you did a lot of work on those shoes and then you took a step backwards with standard Saphir creme polish. With Shell, you really want to stay away from any wax. Even the soft waxes in the creme polish. VSC would have been a better choice or even some Neatsfoot oil.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому +1

      Sorry for missing your comment. I have learned a lot since then, and today, I would not use it, you're right.

  • @DavesWatchLove
    @DavesWatchLove 5 років тому +12

    Shell cordovan shoes... the holy grail of thrifting! My search continues.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +2

      Dave's Watch Love 😂 LOL, yes. In 3 years of thrifting I think I only got 5 pairs.

    • @twilight1973able
      @twilight1973able 4 роки тому +1

      My first pair ever was AE Bradley's in slightly used condition. 15 bucks. I didn't even know they were Shell until I started watching these types of videos. Sad thing is they're about one or two widths too narrow, I want to keep them so badly.

  • @theonethatgotaway680
    @theonethatgotaway680 5 років тому +7

    I hear what you say about researching your project. What interests me also is, what kind of life these shoes had before you got them. What kind of person wore these, where did he work? Have they travelled the world? So many questions 😊 by the way the result is gorgeous. The colour is stunning!

  • @wt460
    @wt460 4 роки тому +1

    I had a pair just like these that I purchased after I graduated from college from Alden. My pair were not shell cordovan, but I know they made a pair of long wing/wing tips in the shell #8. I did buy a pair of cap toe shell cordovan, also from Alden. I’m sorry if you said that you checked the numbers at Alden, I was listening to carefully to your list of manufacturers early in the video. I really do think that they deserve a better sole, heal block, and heal cap. Take them into a very solid cobbler for the finishing work.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      So sorry for missing your comment. Yes, they definitely do. If I were to keep them, I definitely would have done so, but for flipping them on eBay, I would be at a deep loss if I put that money into them. I'll let the next owner that's going to wear them invest that money.

  • @asphaltgypsy868
    @asphaltgypsy868 4 роки тому

    Impressive! Of course, I've only had experience at shining cowboy boots at Billy Bob's Texas back in the '80s! I'm on the hunt for a pair of Shell Cordovan shoes! Yes! I capitalized those words because they deserve RESPECT! Thanks for an awesome tutorial!

  • @Bingbangohmigollygod
    @Bingbangohmigollygod 4 роки тому +4

    That medallion looks exactly like the one on my Churches Graftons that I happen to be wearing right now.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      So sorry for missing your comment!! I've had a couple pairs of Church's, I'd expect to see Made in England somewhere if they were Church's... and a better imprinted logo. I gave up to be honest. If you have a link to a pic of a similar Church's shoe with a logo I'd be happy to compare!

  • @mr.doinstuff8466
    @mr.doinstuff8466 5 років тому +1

    I can’t thrift shells to save my life.....Thanks Rob. Another great vid.

  • @redwoodsquirrel432
    @redwoodsquirrel432 5 років тому +2

    Another lovely job, 2 videos in 2 days....thank you so much.😁

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      Look again, just dropped a third one! I got backed up.

  • @JavanHamiltonTV
    @JavanHamiltonTV 3 роки тому +1

    These are beautiful. I have a nearly identical pair of similar vintage, Jarman Shoe Co.

  • @mikeinglis2424
    @mikeinglis2424 2 роки тому

    I realize this is probably two years too late, but I was cleaning my pair of Bass longwings while watching this vid. Not an exact match, they are made of pebbled calf and have different stitching on the eye bar, but the serial number has the same spread of numbers, there is no internal branding and the toe medallion looks awfully similar. The brand on mine is a brass plate nailed to the sole just in front of the heel, so if the sole was replaced it would naturally be missing. I hope this helps and thank you for an interesting video.

  • @AaronDimonio
    @AaronDimonio 5 років тому +4

    They look very similar to Allen Edmonds' current Macneil model.

  • @wt460
    @wt460 4 роки тому +1

    Robert, I think you need to go all the way. That is new JR sole and heal. They are worth it and you’ll have them for years to come.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  4 роки тому

      Warren Timothy - if they had been a size I could wear, I definitely would have spent the money on them!!

  • @FloridaClay
    @FloridaClay 5 років тому +1

    A handsome pair of shoes. Well worth the effort.

  • @jerelpowell7288
    @jerelpowell7288 5 років тому

    Great vid as always. Your genuine enthusiasm shows, keep the vids coming.

  • @mattunderwood2827
    @mattunderwood2827 2 роки тому +1

    Robert, Excellent content on the channel and it has inspired me from the first video not to be too scared to pickup some shoes from the thrift.
    On this video have you considered these shoes to be Concerie Riunite shoes from Italy? I have not read all comments to see if you found the maker. Keep up the great content.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you! No, I’ve never even heard of that brand. The shoes didn’t look Italian to me, but I’d consider anything. Almost nothing shows up under that name on a web search though. Did they make Shell Cordovan LWBs in the English/American style years ago?

    • @mattunderwood2827
      @mattunderwood2827 2 роки тому

      @@CobblerBob I would agree that I would not think of Italian shoes being like the ones you have. However, I have just thrifted a pair or LWB dress shoes that I believe are shell cordovan, made in Italy, and the brand I mentioned. Some designs and elements are similar between the pair. How can I get you photos of the ones I just found so you/we can see if they are made by the same manufacturer?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  2 роки тому

      Send them to robertpowers1972 at gmail dot com!

  • @norwaysgateway
    @norwaysgateway 4 роки тому +1

    I've seen some people using a special kind of bone to polish shell cordovan with. It surely looks harsh while they are doing it, but the finish is quite remarkable.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  4 роки тому +2

      Frithjof Silden - yes, I’ve seen that too, I certainly would like to learn more about it. I’ve never gotten very far into all the special Shell Cordovan care products because I have only found 3 pairs of Shell shoes, cleaned them up, and then got rid of them. I’ve yet to find a pair that are my size.

    • @norwaysgateway
      @norwaysgateway 4 роки тому

      @@CobblerBob So would I! You are lucky to even have handled Shell Cordovan. Here in Norway people are way to quick to throw stuff out when they are cleaning, instead of sending it off to a thrift shop. But those few actually who know what shoes they have... geez, the prices they demand.

  • @benjaminkenobi21
    @benjaminkenobi21 5 років тому +6

    You could have deer boned (or even spooned) these and gotten 99% of the creasing/rolling out.... you still can. Do it, man.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      Anon Ymous - do you think they need more work? I was very happy with the end result and didn’t think there was more progress possible. I’ll definitely look into it!

    • @benjaminkenobi21
      @benjaminkenobi21 5 років тому

      @@CobblerBob I just took another look at your end result, and I definitely agree that these ended up looking excellent. I wouldn't even say that they need more work, I'm just saying with cordovan it's possible to get ALL of that rolling out, and by that I mean 99%+ of it... cordovan is amazing shit. I have a pair of AE Leeds in shell and I will tell you that if you work it enough with a bone or your fingers or another tool, those rolls come completely out. You can even smooth out the ones between the longwing and the sole edge that you can see starting around 21:03 if you worked it with the deer bone enough. Granted, these are old and those rolls are very set in, so you'd be boning for hours (that's what she said.) But it's more of a "do it just because you can" obsessive-compulsive type thing with me, especially since this is kinda my favorite type of shoe (color 8 cordovan longwing.) I would also recommend a black sole edge dressing/dye on these. Either way, whoever ends up wearing these can and should wear them proudly, and kudos for a good restoration.

  • @r.douglas5695
    @r.douglas5695 5 років тому +3

    B A Mason could be it. They made shells a while ago . My uncle was a rep and the lettering looks right

  • @adolforivera8473
    @adolforivera8473 Рік тому +1

    Robert I own a pair of those shoes exactly the same, and they are called BRITANICOS. Made in Mexico.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      Hmm, it's possible... nothing on that brand comes up on an internet search. I don't think these are made in Mexico because there is nothing on them that designates that. It also doesn't come up on www.shellcordovanmodels.com. Are yours shell cordovan?

    • @adolforivera8473
      @adolforivera8473 Рік тому

      No, they are called BRITANICOS, and that's the only logo I see on them.

  • @StoneRunning23
    @StoneRunning23 Рік тому +1

    Fantastic video! I enjoy watching.. happened upon after researching what I thought was a florsheim thrift find. Very good condition, the inside heel sole does have "The Worthnore Shoe" i can't find anything on line. Any thoughts?? And thanks for the videos.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому +1

      Worthnore? I’ve never heard of it!

  • @Snugglez187
    @Snugglez187 3 роки тому

    I think they look really good. I love the color of that leather.

  • @ilgambino0784
    @ilgambino0784 5 років тому +1

    Robert, probably these are english made, please try TRICKERS; CHURCH’S; BARKER; LOAKE...they are the most common brands making this iconic model....I bet there is a huge possibility.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +2

      Gian Famiglietti - I appreciate the ideas.
      - Trickers: although it’s possible they have changed their design, The Toma Dallion & stitching pattern at the front of the eye stay does not match.
      - Church’s: their model numbers are always handwritten, wrong medallion.
      - Barker: eyestay stitching is the same, and the medallion is ALMOST the same but has one too many holes. Also their logos are huge, so I don’t think that’s a match.
      - Loake: different medallion and eyestay, I just don’t see any similarity. Loakes also looks like they say Made in England on the inner lining.
      I think they’re American made.

    • @ilgambino0784
      @ilgambino0784 5 років тому

      Robert Powers maybe Sears? lol you never know. Nearest models could be the vintage shell cordovans from Florsheim

  • @quickfoxxes
    @quickfoxxes 5 років тому +1

    Robert, thank youfor your spirit of generosity, evident in your videos. Like you, I am a vintage shoe and boot aficionado, enjoy thrifting a bargain, and even a minor restoration project. It appears the heel pad is a replacement for the original which must have curled and become uncomfortable or disappeared in time from heat and moisture from the foot.
    Freeman and Jarman were companies which made quality wing-tip footwear, and like Taylor Made and others have disappeared through the years. Did the numbers reveal any information the shoe marketing association could identify? Are the located in the St. Louis area, or elsewhere? Thank you for what you do, and for the two references in this video. DJ

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      Shoe marketing association?? What’s that??

  • @MrDucatiti
    @MrDucatiti 2 роки тому +2

    Hey Bob! Long time subscriber and follower here. I've been collecting shell since I watched this video two years ago. I guess you have influenced me. As you described them as "elusive", the more I wanted them lol. I know have around 16 shell shoes all purchased new, and probably only used 4 of them as I mostly work from home during these covid times. Instead of thrifting 10 or mores shoes, or paying for AE pairs on sale.....why won't you put money aside to purchase a new or F2 pair shell cordovan shoes? Or you can use PayPal Credit with zero interest for 6 months, and pay $100 or less per month, Just trying to help :) I guess I started buying shoes due to your videos. I know have almost 40 pairs from AE, Carmina, C&J, Alfred Sargent, Edward Green, etc.... I can't seem to stop buying. The thing I enjoy the most is conditioning and polishing them even when new. So relaxing!

  • @baberoot1998
    @baberoot1998 2 роки тому

    Wow. Thrifted shell cordovan for $9 bucks. What an amazing deal.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  2 роки тому +2

      I found a pair of Florsheim Imperial 93605 (shell cordovan) a few weeks ago. I''ve got the uppers re-conditioned, and am waiting on materials to be shipped in to rebuild them. I'm going to replace the sole, midsole, footbed, and gemming at home. I'm going to widen them too! Although it will be at LEAST a few weeks until they are done, stay tuned!

  • @nandoshinesasmr5214
    @nandoshinesasmr5214 5 років тому

    Great work on these shell cordovan! 👍🏼👞🌟❤️

  • @Wmu5
    @Wmu5 Рік тому

    9$ !!!! What a deal! Great job, if you get a good lead let me know I’d gladly will buy a pair and try doing this myself also!

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      I wear an 11.5 or 12 wide. If the shoes you see on my videos are not those sizes, one of two things will happen to them:
      1. They will go to a friend
      2. They will go up on eBay.
      If you subscribe to my channel and keep notifications on, you can keep abreast of new videos and check eBay to see if they pop up there! My username on eBay is robertepowers. Thank you for watching and commenting!

  • @baberoot1998
    @baberoot1998 Рік тому

    Hi Robert! I know this post is over 3 years old, (so if you don't see it or respond I understand), but was wondering if you ever discovered this brand of Shell cordovan? I am a thrifter, and am amazed you found a pair of Shell for $9 bucks! Thought I found a pair of Shell in the Allen Edmonds Grayson twice. However, after looking up the numbers on the inside of the shoe...it was not to be. Just a funky looking calf leather Allen Edmonds once used. Anyway...love your channel, and should you see this, and you have the time to respond, I want to say thank you. I hope you found the brand eventually. (I have a pair of "Made In England" short wing Oxford wingtips I am unable to identify as well). Found a pair on Ebay, that said the same thing...and much like your situation the seller didn't know the brand either. Amyway...sorry for such a long comment. (I get started and cannot stop...lol. I love talking shoes!!! Lol).

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому +1

      Hello! I sometimes get busy and miss comments unintentially, but I try to keep up. To answer your question... no, I never did find out who they were made by! I really spend a LOT of time trying to figure it out!

  • @moisesmera7913
    @moisesmera7913 Рік тому +1

    So the shoe trees are what fixed the wrinkles? I’m considering getting one. How was all the creasing removed?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      Sorry for missing your comment, but YES, they are. In this case, It really helps that the leather is being moisturized and polished at the same time the shoe trees go in. Generally it takes a day or two to straighten them out. Some straighten out completely, some not so much, but you'll usually get a lot of improvement. You can also moisten the leather before putting the shoe trees in with a few pumps of water from a spray bottle. Don't drench them, just moisten them from the inside and from the outside.

  • @dosetti
    @dosetti 4 роки тому +2

    How did you found out acetone was too harsh to clean with? Nice shoes and good work sir.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  3 роки тому +1

      Sorry I missed this comment, a few times I’ve used it it’s taken color out of shoes. I reserve acetone for stripping shoes to re-dye them.

  • @dotKevinWong
    @dotKevinWong 5 років тому +1

    They might be Dexter but not 100% sure. However, it matches the Wingtip brogue.

    • @merwinlao46
      @merwinlao46 5 років тому

      Saw that same medallion on Dexters too, the only difference is that there are more small holes on Bob's shoes. Also not sure if Dexter ever made shoes out of shell cordovan.

  • @quickfoxxes
    @quickfoxxes 3 роки тому

    Robert, your videos are very welcome as you explain the challenges of restoring vintage footwear, and thrifting. Like you, I find the same activities rewarding. I have asked other channel proprietors this question with no reply. I wonder if you have had the experience of shoes or boots which have been placed on top of one another, causing indentations in the leather of the underneath pair? Have you come across any means to raise the depressed leather to even the surface? The finish is intact, but only the depression destroys the appearance. I've enjoyed your acetone and sandpaper restorations. Thanks very much indeed for all you share with your followers.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you! I apologize for missing your question. Sometimes it gets difficult to keep up. I would try wetting the leather down with water or water/alcohol mix in a spray bottle and spraying the affected and surrounding area down. I’d try to spray it from the inside of the shoe too. Then put tight fitting (almost too tight) shoe trees in or stuff them with rolled up newspaper and let them dry in place. It may take a few application and drying cycles.

  • @redcapitalist
    @redcapitalist 5 років тому +1

    excellent video. you should start a shop robert!

  • @Wmu5
    @Wmu5 Рік тому +1

    Looks like Alden to me!

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      I used www.shellcordovanmodels.com as a reference, and although there are a TON of Shell Cordovan Aldens listed, the two numbers (419547, or the 6005/6035) on the shoe did not match up to any of the Alden models on the site. Does something specific about the shoe make you believe it's Alden, such as the medallion pattern? Many of the medallions look alike at a glance, but if you really look close, you'll see differences. For example, on these shoes there are 6 large holes contained in the medallion pattern. They form a perfect triangle. I have yet to see any of the makers use that specific pattern. There are a bunch that use something CLOSE, but not this medallion. So the mystery continues...

  • @styzoom
    @styzoom 5 років тому +1

    They came out really nice Robert, and the creases disappeared as well. I wonder if you have ever used a blow dryer to remove creases. I tried it briefly myself last week with my Mezlans, I think it works.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +1

      Sjef - I have read and seen some stuff about using a dryer and even wetting them, but no, have not gone to that length yet.

    • @styzoom
      @styzoom 5 років тому

      @@CobblerBob Yes it feels weird to use a heat gun or blow dryer. I have seen the water technique as well, it makes sense if you think about it. The shoe dries/shrinks back to its true shape provided you use a solid shoe tree. But I am not sure how all the work (not just the upper leather) inside the shoe copes with the water. MIght be fun to try with a cheap find.

  • @PWJson
    @PWJson Рік тому +1

    Your pair is Tredmore shoes, maybe OEM by Hanover

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      I couldn't find any info on Tredmore on the internet. If you have a link to a pic of the same shoe with a logo, I'd be happy to take a look!

    • @PWJson
      @PWJson Рік тому

      @@CobblerBob There's a pair on Etsy, youtube wont let me post the link here. Where can i send you the link ?

    • @PWJson
      @PWJson Рік тому

      nvm i sent an email to your gmail that display on this channel

  • @williamfindspeople4341
    @williamfindspeople4341 5 років тому +2

    If shoes could talk...they would say THANK YOU!!!

  • @baberoot1998
    @baberoot1998 Рік тому

    Is it possible...these are a Sears Shoe? Now I know Sears didn't make shoes, that likely they had them made by some other company, maybe (Florsheim, Johnston and Murphy, Dexter, Bostonian...etc). Usually when a company like Sears would have a shoe made by say, Florsheim, they always made them...just a tiny bit different. Like the medallion might have a few extra holes somewhere. So these could be made by a known shoe company, with slight changes to their own shoes, FOR Sears. Just a possibility.

  • @davidpielykh3996
    @davidpielykh3996 5 років тому

    May be also be National Clothing Co, there are at least 2 cordovan models they offered, the shellcordovanmodels.com knows only plain toe bluchers but I've just bought their wingtips. Not much information to find about the company

  • @valkeithwilliams6843
    @valkeithwilliams6843 5 років тому

    I like what you did to these shoes; excellent job. Sorry you could not find the maker. Please research ALDEN U.S.shoemaker who I saw on another shoes video with similar Cordovan shoes.

  • @ThriftedGent
    @ThriftedGent 4 роки тому

    Hey Robert! Per the elegant oxfords video you should totally leave them in the sun for about 4 days. Although, they look great already, i'd be interested to see how they would look!

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  4 роки тому +1

      that•thrift•guy - yes, I just watched that video! I would like to try it some time.

    • @StarWarriorMusic
      @StarWarriorMusic 4 роки тому

      I looked for this video and couldt find it

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  4 роки тому

      @@StarWarriorMusic ua-cam.com/video/Bjy1PxSAQ4Y/v-deo.html

    • @StarWarriorMusic
      @StarWarriorMusic 4 роки тому

      @@CobblerBob holy cow thanks so much! Love the channel! One of my go to's for shoe info!

  • @scottzoelh8004
    @scottzoelh8004 5 років тому +2

    since no logo is showing, my guess is Uniqlo

    • @joshhath
      @joshhath 5 років тому

      hahahahahaha

  • @proximaducentaure9506
    @proximaducentaure9506 2 роки тому

    Acetone on shell cordovan ! Robert..
    Anyway your work is an inspiration source for me as I just bought a vintage cordovan, I'll do it like you.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  2 роки тому +1

      Yeah, it’s been a while since I did that, but I think I learned pretty quick that was a mistake. I remember the acetone temporarily lightening the area. Believe me, if these items weren’t thrifted, I wouldn’t be so bold!

    • @proximaducentaure9506
      @proximaducentaure9506 2 роки тому

      ​@@CobblerBob I should receive my burgundy pair by next Saturday, I expect to use saddle soap + saphir renomat + neat foot oil.

  • @hardenernest5
    @hardenernest5 5 років тому +1

    Long wingtips where do you get them your shoes that you restore

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      ernest harden - I get them from local thrift stores, sometimes eBay, sometimes Goodwill.com, sometimes they’re from someone I know (like the black Florsheim double monk straps with the gouge in the toe were from a co-worker).

    • @hardenernest5
      @hardenernest5 5 років тому

      @@CobblerBob thank you for the information sir

  • @up3371
    @up3371 4 роки тому +1

    Question: Isn’t it even possible to go without Creme polish for shell cordovan?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  3 роки тому

      Sorry for missing this topic, yes, I do not want to pretend to be an expert on Shell Cordovan long term care, but the guys I know on forums that own a lot of shell Cordovan shoes say Lexol NFS a great product to maintain Shell.

  • @johnf.kennedy5454
    @johnf.kennedy5454 2 роки тому

    I think those shoes may be Wright Arch Preserver Shoes

  • @saulcabrera5719
    @saulcabrera5719 5 років тому

    Good job Bob. You could have tried the glycerin treatment as well, it seems to work wonders. Also a little bone action would have helped with the creasing. Not sure about the mirror shine comment, I think giving the fact you use saphir you could have done it without hurting the shell.
    I can relate to the suede comment lol

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      Saul Cabrera - I’ve read on several forums that when you Mirror Shine Shell, it WILL get shiny, but the shine will get cloudy as oil or tanning agents seep out of the Shell. Again, I haven’t tried myself since none of the Shell shoes I found fit me.

  • @yk-mz3os
    @yk-mz3os 5 років тому +1

    Did you try to use a deer bone / back of a spoon to remove the creases?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      y k - I have seen shoe polish ppl use deee bone, and have heard of / read about the spoon method, but never tried it. Honestly, with as much as the creases came out with using tight shoe trees and massaging the vamps with Saphir, I was happy.

  • @darksandz93
    @darksandz93 5 років тому

    Sorry I can't help identify what they are but I can add to your list of what they aren't. I just got myself a pair of Knapp Mastercraft shell LWB's which have 7 major holes on the medallion and a different stitching pattern on the eye stays.

  • @johnparkerzabala
    @johnparkerzabala 5 років тому

    Poking the holes indeed👏👏👏

  • @GamingKing-ql6fq
    @GamingKing-ql6fq 3 роки тому +1

    Do you know how old these are?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  3 роки тому

      I can only guess that they were made in the 1980s or maybe early 90s?

  • @kfung4
    @kfung4 5 років тому

    Nice, a lot of work but good result

  • @zefdin101
    @zefdin101 4 роки тому

    Robert,
    Love the shoes, could they possibly be DACK brand ? This Canadian shoe manufacturer was around for a long time and they made full Goodyear welted shoes and also made Cordovan among various other exotic leathers.
    I have two pair of vintage Dack Derby’s , one with broguing and other without if you need picture for reference.
    Love the videos.
    Btw, you can’t fit your size 12 EEE into these beauties, are they for sale? Can’t hurt to ask , as I wear a 10.5 D ... lol!

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      Al, I'm sorry for missing your comment. If you have a link to a photo of a Dack that is the same, with a logo, I'd be happy to take a look! Yes, I did sell them on eBAy a few years back. I'm robertepowers on eBay if you want to follow me there.

  • @charlesfu33
    @charlesfu33 4 роки тому +1

    Why cordovan is so difficult to clean?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  4 роки тому

      Charles Fu - I really do not think that it has anything to do with the Shell Cordovan itself been difficult to clean, I think it’s just that these shoes have been abused, over polished, and ignored for 20 or 30 years!

  • @YikeQ
    @YikeQ 4 роки тому

    Looks like J Crew Ludlow wing tips. Have you checked yet?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      I apologize for missing your comment... I gave up to be honest. It looks like J Crew were made by Alden? I couldn't match it up to any Alden model numbers. If you have a link to a pair of similar or the same shoes with a logo I'd be happy to look!

  • @freddieslaughter1107
    @freddieslaughter1107 4 роки тому

    Sometimes there is printing on the under side of the shoe tongue.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  Рік тому

      I apologize for missing your comment! These had nothing there.

  • @ilgambino0784
    @ilgambino0784 5 років тому

    Don’t give up, what about English bespoke makers? John Lobb; Foster & Son; Cheney ?

  • @omarsharif8815
    @omarsharif8815 5 років тому

    Acetone and Reno Mat are too harsh on shell. The Saphir shoe cream you used is meant for calf skin and contains high amount of solvents. In time it will crack the shell. I suggest you use rubbing alcohol instead. Slower but surer. There's no alternative to cordovan cream which costs no more than normal shoe cream. Renovateur also contains solvent although in lesser amount. However, there is also no alternative to it, if you must restore the lustre of a shell. So it should be used but sparingly (about 9 pea size drops per shoe). By the way, if you have an untreated Tuscany or Shinki (used by Meermin) the dye would have been completely stripped. You must be extremely careful with shell.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +1

      Omar Sharif - thanks for the tips. I never would imagine that straight alcohol would be less harsh than Renomat?! I quickly perceived that the acetone was too harsh; that’s why I stopped using it. Remember, these were $18 thrift store shoes that looked like trash. Of course if they were expensive shoes to begin with I wouldn’t be doing this. I knew here I had everything to gain and almost nothing to loose. I also would not use this as a “cleaning routine” - I certainly would not expect these or any shell cordovan shoes I work on to ever get that bad again.
      Being that I’m “in the public eye” so to speak, it’s probably time I invest in some proper shell cordovan care products. In the past it just seemed hard to justify only handling shell shoes once or twice a year for shoes that I would clean up once and then get rid of.

    • @omarsharif8815
      @omarsharif8815 5 років тому

      @@CobblerBob Or you may get addicted to shell later. Who knows? Actually cordovan cream costs less than normal shoe polish because it has "less" in it (no solvent, only wax). You can check out AE's or Burgol's products to see what I mean. And you are right, who knows you may find yourself doing restorations of shell in the future. For shell care, it's a long term process. Important is to do it right from the beginning, i.e. not to apply excessive shoe cream until you force yourself into using harsh products to try clean up the deposits. Large amount of cordovan cream does not add more shine and would certainly cause problem when it ages. If free of old deposits, Renovateur alone would be sufficient to do the clean plus restoring the lustre. I suggest rubbing alcohol because it evaporates in no time and therefore safer. It's a nice find. It would be a pity to let it slip off your hand because of a slip of hand :)

  • @ThriftedGent
    @ThriftedGent 5 років тому

    How did you get the creasing out of the vamp? I have shell cordavan shoes too and I have a hard time eliminating the creasing in the vamp

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +3

      that•thrift•guy - I just installed tight fitting expandable shoe trees, and in all the shoes in a few days they work themselves out. I believe it is especially helpful to have the tight fitting shoe trees in he shoe while you wash, condition, and polish them. All the polishing and rubbing the mink oil in helps massage out the wrinkles.

  • @paulkissiah4729
    @paulkissiah4729 4 роки тому

    Did you ever find out the maker

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  4 роки тому

      Paul Kissiah - no, I never did!😕

  • @DarthRickyEggRoll
    @DarthRickyEggRoll 3 роки тому +1

    Oh no you used regular shoe polish🤭 really not good for the cordovan

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  3 роки тому

      DarthRickyEggRoll - yes you’re right, but for finding on average one pair of shell Cordovan shoes per year thrifting, and polishing them once, it’s not worth spending the money for 4 to 6 different colors of shell Cordovan polish only to use it once a year. I really don’t think it’s going to hurt the shoes once.

  • @LuckyStrike-ov9cd
    @LuckyStrike-ov9cd 5 років тому +1

    Im just wondering why you didn't show the first liquid that you used on the shoes beside saphir you can promote saphir as much as you want but I pick Angelus as a shoe cream instead of saphir those the same job and Lincoln as a shoe wax better than saphir even Money's Worth its really good it's made in Germany way cheaper than saphir there is bunch of hype about saphir from you and others

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +5

      Lucky Strike - it was Acetone, I put it in a text description on the video. I don’t make a nickel from my channel at this point so please don’t think I promote Saphir for the money. I didn’t show the brand of acetone bc to me acetone is acetone, it makes no difference Who’s acetone you buy, but Saphir Renomat is a specific product.

    • @LuckyStrike-ov9cd
      @LuckyStrike-ov9cd 5 років тому

      I enjoy watching your videos Robert but what I don't enjoy is saphir in my face each video

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому +7

      Sorry man, I have to make each video as if it’s the first one of my videos the viewer has seen. If I don’t shoe the product I’ll get complaints, and I get complaints if I do, but I’ll just keep doing my best & hopefully people get value out of them.

  • @valkeithwilliams6843
    @valkeithwilliams6843 5 років тому

    For ALDEN U.S. Shoemaker got to this video: ua-cam.com/video/gH_vvsIYgx4/v-deo.html fast forward closer to the end of the video and the gentleman will talk about ALDEN shoes/shoemaker with a picture of a similar shoe.

  • @Robert_Sackett
    @Robert_Sackett 5 років тому

    according to your other episodes... that isn't your size shoe.... but it is mine! What are you doing with those beautiful shoes now?

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      Robert Sackett - still not done with them. I’ll put heels on them at least, I MIGHT do a ful resole on them (I made friends with a local cobbler). Then, who knows?

    • @Robert_Sackett
      @Robert_Sackett 5 років тому

      Well, if interested, I’m doing the exact same project with a Hanover shell long wing... size 11a. Was that your size?? Easy trade! Though I don’t have a UA-cam channel to show the work. What I found also helpful in getting the polish off is using renovateur as a cleaner to remove previous dark polish in the rolls.
      Great channel! Learning a lot from your projects.

    • @CobblerBob
      @CobblerBob  5 років тому

      I’m size 11.5 3e!

  • @joegarcia54
    @joegarcia54 5 років тому

    Ooh my size

  • @GDubbleBubble
    @GDubbleBubble 4 роки тому

    lol 5 - 6 hours of research. yeah that's how long it takes to learn over 100 years of documented info.

  • @richardjarrett1770
    @richardjarrett1770 5 років тому

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