I wish I could find many more videos on exercise physiology applied to swimming like this and the one Brett did on the pool deck with Dave Salo a few years ago. So much learning from experts!
Around 46 Jan is mentioning the rest in swimming. The 30 sec rest, I still don't understand why in swimming we are used to these kinds of incomplete rest for Sprint sessions. Hard or soft environment, you still need to recharge your CrPh system to be able to give the amount of speed or power time after time.
Would have been interesting to get sets to test each of the main aspects of aerobic and anaerobic capacity and anaerobic and aerobic power, plus sets on how to develop them within his model.
Great interview, a lot of interesting topics, a lot of information. At the same time, average DPS is a too high level a metric. DPS variability of individual strokes provides a lot of insights. The same applies to the speed change patterns during each of the stroke.
Very interesting, thank you. Surprises: starting at about 46:35. Really, resistance training in the water (parachutes, chords, etc) has a relatively small impact? and Easy running has a higher muscle load than resistance sprint swim training?
I think it depends on the skill. It’s much harder to apply a lot of force to the water compared to the objects on land even if you are strong. But the best swimmers can do it better than the average ones. Which means the ability to apply that force can be developed over time. What this guy tried to say is that you don’t have to get crazy strong since you can’t express that strength in the water effectively. But if you consistently learn to find ways to push harder without shredding the water, why not get stronger? Chutes, cords or power towers can definitely help with the skill of applying strength (that you got in the gym) in the pool.
A small impact compared to running I'm thinking. Horizontal in fluid without the same gravity means less impact. Resistance training definitely increases load for swimmers. But from a measurable scientific perspective its not the same as the dryland impact
@@InsidewithBrettHawkeI believe he meant mechanical stress on the muscles which is always per definition higher in running then swimming. Metabolic stress e.g., lactic acid production or the stress on the CNS are a different thing.
So sounds like he thinks aerobic capacity (vo2max) is very important for sprinting But listenting to attia, the best way to build vo2max would be lots of easy swimming ( zone 2 ) and then sets where you do 4 minute hard intervals, with 4 minutes recovery in between I can't imagine many sprinters doing hard 400yd intervals or grinding out miles of zone 2 ... is there a different way to build vo2max in the pool?
Attia was talking about cycling when he uses those time frames. I get what your saying but I believe Attia would say get that zone 2 work in with distance to build overall aerobic capacity base but would likely change the low end time frames to 50s 100s and 200s free whichever allowed the athlete to push their top end threshold to the next level.
What is his take on USRPT ? Easy. He didn’t read the papers. They are too many and he doesn’t feel like going out of his aerobic paranoid bubble. After Olbrecht, Maglischio and Bowman pass away I hope we will see a new light in swimming. Meanwhile, my junior swimmers are improving times like crazy at 8K a week.
thats not true. he definitely looked into the papers. i had the opportunity to meet him and he basically said that swimming fast that many times till failure trains mostly power, and only works for swimmers with a naturally high capacity.
DISAGREE - but very good to know that the endurance obsession which I went through as well for too many meters is still active !!! 1) want proof... go tell a 200m runner to plan on running 160k a week ... what would he say ??? Body weight more impact argument ... say the same to a track sprint cyclist - go ride 400k a week - he will say go ride the Tour de France but get out if here..... 2) why are times dropping - he couldn't answer ???? thats soooo easy A) underwater fly B) suits and C) more speed in athletes -- easy to track and see ... easy easy way to see this ... also endurance ability is same as 40y ago - and aerobic power term is just silly.
Brett, I have always felt that the science is a template from where the coach creates the art with specific touch depending on athlete. It doesn’t have to be one or the other but nice blend of both. No plan works without adaptation, just like a recipe says season to taste !
I wish I could find many more videos on exercise physiology applied to swimming like this and the one Brett did on the pool deck with Dave Salo a few years ago. So much learning from experts!
Around 46 Jan is mentioning the rest in swimming. The 30 sec rest, I still don't understand why in swimming we are used to these kinds of incomplete rest for Sprint sessions. Hard or soft environment, you still need to recharge your CrPh system to be able to give the amount of speed or power time after time.
Love listening to Jan. Thanks, Brett, for bringing this to us.
Thank you coach ❤
Thank you Jan! Thank you Brett! This is so inspirational. Great insights.
Amazing interview Brett!! 🎉🎉 if you could would love to see more science appplied to swimming on your show ❤
Excellent information. Very interesting the comparisons to track. Great work Brett!
Glad you liked it!
Would have been interesting to get sets to test each of the main aspects of aerobic and anaerobic capacity and anaerobic and aerobic power, plus sets on how to develop them within his model.
Great interview, a lot of interesting topics, a lot of information. At the same time, average DPS is a too high level a metric. DPS variability of individual strokes provides a lot of insights. The same applies to the speed change patterns during each of the stroke.
Excellent interview. So many gems.
Very interesting, thank you. Surprises: starting at about 46:35. Really, resistance training in the water (parachutes, chords, etc) has a relatively small impact? and Easy running has a higher muscle load than resistance sprint swim training?
Not sure I agree with that, but appreciate his opinion
I think it depends on the skill. It’s much harder to apply a lot of force to the water compared to the objects on land even if you are strong. But the best swimmers can do it better than the average ones. Which means the ability to apply that force can be developed over time. What this guy tried to say is that you don’t have to get crazy strong since you can’t express that strength in the water effectively. But if you consistently learn to find ways to push harder without shredding the water, why not get stronger? Chutes, cords or power towers can definitely help with the skill of applying strength (that you got in the gym) in the pool.
A small impact compared to running I'm thinking. Horizontal in fluid without the same gravity means less impact. Resistance training definitely increases load for swimmers. But from a measurable scientific perspective its not the same as the dryland impact
@@InsidewithBrettHawkeI believe he meant mechanical stress on the muscles which is always per definition higher in running then swimming. Metabolic stress e.g., lactic acid production or the stress on the CNS are a different thing.
What about having Brent Rushell
USRPT
It will be a great discussion
I enjoyed this one
He’s dead.
So sounds like he thinks aerobic capacity (vo2max) is very important for sprinting
But listenting to attia, the best way to build vo2max would be lots of easy swimming ( zone 2 ) and then sets where you do 4 minute hard intervals, with 4 minutes recovery in between
I can't imagine many sprinters doing hard 400yd intervals or grinding out miles of zone 2 ...
is there a different way to build vo2max in the pool?
@hiitscience1897
Attia was talking about cycling when he uses those time frames. I get what your saying but I believe Attia would say get that zone 2 work in with distance to build overall aerobic capacity base but would likely change the low end time frames to 50s 100s and 200s free whichever allowed the athlete to push their top end threshold to the next level.
What is his take on USRPT ?
Easy. He didn’t read the papers. They are too many and he doesn’t feel like going out of his aerobic paranoid bubble.
After Olbrecht, Maglischio and Bowman pass away I hope we will see a new light in swimming.
Meanwhile, my junior swimmers are improving times like crazy at 8K a week.
thats not true. he definitely looked into the papers. i had the opportunity to meet him and he basically said that swimming fast that many times till failure trains mostly power, and only works for swimmers with a naturally high capacity.
Basically you need to do aerobic work
DISAGREE - but very good to know that the endurance obsession which I went through as well for too many meters is still active !!! 1) want proof... go tell a 200m runner to plan on running 160k a week ... what would he say ??? Body weight more impact argument ... say the same to a track sprint cyclist - go ride 400k a week - he will say go ride the Tour de France but get out if here..... 2) why are times dropping - he couldn't answer ???? thats soooo easy A) underwater fly B) suits and C) more speed in athletes -- easy to track and see ... easy easy way to see this ... also endurance ability is same as 40y ago - and aerobic power term is just silly.
It’s hard to argue against what you’re saying. That’s why he said it’s a mix of science and art. I’m heavier on the art
Brett, I have always felt that the science is a template from where the coach creates the art with specific touch depending on athlete. It doesn’t have to be one or the other but nice blend of both. No plan works without adaptation, just like a recipe says season to taste !